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The Late Debate | 9 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's great to have your company on the Late
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  Speaker 3: Debate James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and Freyer Leitch coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. Why do people as they get older start
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  Speaker 3: making noises every time they move?
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  Speaker 4: Don't look at me as if I'm the one to
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  Speaker 4: answer it, Freyer.
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  Speaker 3: But that question was asked of Adoptor's Advice column in
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  Speaker 3: his paper at the weekend. We'll tell you what they
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  Speaker 3: said a little later. Plus when we look at what's
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  Speaker 3: making news tomorrow, the government's green dreams in tatters as
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  Speaker 3: the price of green hydrogen set to explode metaphorically, of course,
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  Speaker 3: and calls for Aboriginal Australians facing court to have their
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  Speaker 3: cases dealt with by a female judge to ensure cultural safety.
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  Speaker 3: Will get to all of that a little later, but
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  Speaker 3: let's start with former Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
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  Speaker 4: Here's a question, does he deserve to be.
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  Speaker 3: Named in the King's Birthday honors list as he was today?
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  Speaker 3: Living aside the question about whether or not politicians should
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  Speaker 3: be recipients at all, there is the question of Morrison's
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  Speaker 3: leadership during the COVID nineteen pandemic, which was given as
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  Speaker 3: a prime reason for him being made a Companion of
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  Speaker 3: the Order of Australia. Today, I've got to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: I don't see why he would be honored for that.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give him this, it was a very difficult time
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  Speaker 3: in our history, unprecedented even I'll also give him this.
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  Speaker 3: I think he did a much better job than Bill
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  Speaker 3: Shorten or god forbid, Anthony Albaneze would have done had
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  Speaker 3: they been in charge at the time. But I'm just
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  Speaker 3: finding it hard to get my head around, Caleb and Freyer,
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  Speaker 3: how you could be Prime Minister of this nation at
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  Speaker 3: a time when human rights were trashed right across the
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  Speaker 3: country and get.
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  Speaker 2: Rewarded for it. It is strange. We should note, of course,
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of the things that were done during
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  Speaker 2: COVID were done by the States.
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  Speaker 4: But I want to come back to now, will the FED.
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  Speaker 2: Set up this national idea right? And the idea was
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  Speaker 2: everyone would get in a room and they would all
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  Speaker 2: come up with one idea and then they would all
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  Speaker 2: walk out of the room as a united group and
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  Speaker 2: do the same thing that very clearly didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Happen, which was a failure of leadership. And this is
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  Speaker 3: convened by Morrison.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I'm coming to. If you're the chairman
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  Speaker 2: of the board and the chairman of the board fails
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  Speaker 2: to get his members in line, then he's failed on
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  Speaker 2: that count, and that Morrison certainly failed on that count.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give him credit for a number of things. Certainly
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  Speaker 2: been one of the first people in the world to
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  Speaker 2: take up the fight to China on the origins of COVID,
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  Speaker 2: and he absolutely deserves applause for that and has never
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  Speaker 2: received as much as he deserved. And of course we
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  Speaker 2: were punished as a country for him doing the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, why do you deserve to get an
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  Speaker 2: ac for doing your job right? I mean the Order
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  Speaker 2: of Australia should be about people who have gone above
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  Speaker 2: and beyond their calling to do great things for the
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  Speaker 2: country and the community. If you're the Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 2: you've led the country through a time of crisis, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that's what you were employed to do. You weren't
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  Speaker 2: a volunteer. You didn't put yourself on the line in
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  Speaker 2: a situation that you didn't need to be in. Who
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  Speaker 2: haven't dedicated your life to doing things in your spare time.
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  Speaker 2: You were being compensated for doing that work. Am I
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  Speaker 2: that upset about it? No, because every other prime minister's
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  Speaker 2: had one as well as who is just another one
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  Speaker 2: in the long line, except for Paul Keating who refused one.
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  Speaker 2: But really, why do you deserve to get one for
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  Speaker 2: doing your job? You don't need a pat on the
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  Speaker 2: back to be told you did a good job as
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  Speaker 2: prime minister. The record can show whether or not you
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  Speaker 2: did a good job as prime minister, and I suppose
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  Speaker 2: in the end the record will show that Morrison's government
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  Speaker 2: was turfed.
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  Speaker 5: But I think the point as well, though, is that
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  Speaker 5: anyone who voluntarily takes up the role of Prime minister,
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  Speaker 5: who puts themselves into the public eye, who dedicates their
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  Speaker 5: life to public service, who puts their family at risk,
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  Speaker 5: who works tirelessly for the nation, should be honored. Whether
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  Speaker 5: you agree with the policies of certain prime ministers or not,
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  Speaker 5: I would say that I still do think the majority
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  Speaker 5: of our leaders hopefully do it out of public service
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  Speaker 5: and not out of personal gain, and that in and
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  Speaker 5: of itself should be honored.
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  Speaker 6: Prime ministers work harder than a lot of logic.
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  Speaker 3: Though, wouldn't you just give an Order of Australia to
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  Speaker 3: every single Prime minister.
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  Speaker 6: Well, they basically do too.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, I mean that's a dumb idea, right what everyone?
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  Speaker 2: I mean everyone deserves one because they've done some great
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  Speaker 2: work for the country, don't they.
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  Speaker 4: Want every nurse doctor?
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  Speaker 2: And surely the honor of the job is to have
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  Speaker 2: been prime minister at all.
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  Speaker 5: I agree the honor is to be prime minister. But
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  Speaker 5: it is also true that our prime ministers do work
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  Speaker 5: exceptionally hard, do put themselves in the public eye, do
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  Speaker 5: compromise their family.
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  Speaker 6: Think of someone like Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 5: He has had twenty four to seven police guard federal
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  Speaker 5: Police Guard.
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  Speaker 6: On him since the mid twenty ten.
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  Speaker 5: His children have not known a life without being under
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  Speaker 5: constant surveillance. He can't go to a restaurant or a
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  Speaker 5: cafe or the grocery store, probably even now. And so
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  Speaker 5: I do think that politicians and certainly the Prime minister,
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  Speaker 5: put themselves in a unique position of leadership that we
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  Speaker 5: should honor. And often it's easy to disparage them and go,
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  Speaker 5: oh they did this wrong and that wrong, but ultimately
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  Speaker 5: they were just seeing.
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  Speaker 3: Such So what about Scott Morrison, do you reckon he
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  Speaker 3: deserves this specifically? I mean they named his leadership during
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  Speaker 3: the COVID pandemic as a key reason that he should
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  Speaker 3: be held up as a great Australian.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to go with.
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  Speaker 5: That, well, I think that a lot of the worst
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  Speaker 5: measures were done by the state premiers.
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  Speaker 6: And interestingly, in an interview.
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  Speaker 5: Scott Morrison gave to The Australian upon the announcement of
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  Speaker 5: his recognition, he actually said that he didn't support the
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  Speaker 5: universal vaccine mandates, he didn't support the school closures. So
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  Speaker 5: could he have been more vocal at the time, yes,
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  Speaker 5: but I know for a fact that behind the scenes
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  Speaker 5: and internally he was not happy with that decisions of
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  Speaker 5: the states. But then also the other factor that was
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  Speaker 5: considered was also his leadership in Orcus and our alliance
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  Speaker 5: with the United States and the UK, so there were
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  Speaker 5: other things that were considered as well. But really I
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  Speaker 5: think we just honor every prime minister with this, and
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  Speaker 5: so they were probably just picking out the most notable
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  Speaker 5: elements of his prime ministership and using that as the expt.
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  Speaker 3: I just will never get over the fact that at
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  Speaker 3: the start of the pandemic, the government led by Scott
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  Speaker 3: Morrison had a pandemic plan in the bottom draw put
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  Speaker 3: together by Tony Abbott as Health Minister, and that was
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  Speaker 3: discarded and we turned the country into a satellite effectively
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  Speaker 3: of communist China with lockdowns. And you're right, it was
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  Speaker 3: labor premiers and they played a very political game and
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  Speaker 3: they loved power, but it was power ceded to them
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  Speaker 3: by Scott Morrison when he called them all in and
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  Speaker 3: he believed that he could corral them and lead them
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  Speaker 3: in the same direction. Failed abysmally at that. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: not knocking Scott Morrison. It was a difficult time, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't see how you should be rewarded when Australians
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  Speaker 3: underwent such torturous human rights abuses and he was the
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  Speaker 3: prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: Job.
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  Speaker 2: I would warn against revisionism of Morrison's time as Prime
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  Speaker 2: minister as well, because he did at many points support
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  Speaker 2: publicly lockdowns, including in Western Australia where they remained lockdown
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  Speaker 2: well after the rest of the country, and Morrison still
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  Speaker 2: backed in Western Australia doing that, So he certainly supported
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  Speaker 2: that element.
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  Speaker 3: And he went very close to supporting vaccine mandates as well,
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  Speaker 3: but you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, nearly didn't. So he now says that's that's the
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  Speaker 2: state's fault. But you know. Look, if Daniel Andrews can
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  Speaker 2: can get a gong for his leadership in public health,
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  Speaker 2: that's what happened last year, then I suppose.
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  Speaker 4: If you're going to use that as the media.
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  Speaker 2: Is the least of ours. While we're talking about federal politics,
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  Speaker 2: we know not just the politicians, but the bureaucracy. One
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  Speaker 2: of the things they excel in is spending your money,
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  Speaker 2: and today's installment of money being in the rich man's world.
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  Speaker 2: It's the fact that there is at least one and
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  Speaker 2: a half million dollars of furniture for Parliament House currently
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  Speaker 2: being kept in storage. We don't entirely know why it
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  Speaker 2: is all sitting in storage, but according to the Department,
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  Speaker 2: there is one hundred sorry one and a half million
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  Speaker 2: dollars worth sitting in storage, including forty nine hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty in twenty one TV cabinets, forty thousand, one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty two dollars of fourteen cocktail and TV cabinets,
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  Speaker 2: thirty five thousand, five hundred and eighty eight dollars of
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  Speaker 2: executive desks eleven of them. The Department also admitted that
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  Speaker 2: after spending twenty three thousand, four hundred and sixty three
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  Speaker 2: dollars and sixty four cents on planning and design for
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  Speaker 2: a six stand desk for parliamentarians and eleven eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: and ninety five dollars and two cents on constructing It
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  Speaker 2: had deemed it not feasible to retrofit existing desks or
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  Speaker 2: sit stand capability, and it was an ongoing project. They
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  Speaker 2: have spent more than nearly four million dollars on furniture
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  Speaker 2: in the last decade alone, and now one and a
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  Speaker 2: half million dollars of it is sitting in two warehouses
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  Speaker 2: somewhere off site. Now, you know, I understand every now
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  Speaker 2: and again you might update your furniture, but I am
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  Speaker 2: a prolific user of Facebook, Marketplace and auction houses. So
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  Speaker 2: I will give a little tip to the bureaucrats at
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  Speaker 2: Parliament House. Just put it all on a truck, send
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  Speaker 2: it down to Lawsons where I go every Thursday, and
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  Speaker 2: just sell it at auction. What the hell are we
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  Speaker 2: doing with one and a half million dollars of furniture
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  Speaker 2: unused in warehouses?
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  Speaker 3: I had to last at that, you know, thousands of
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  Speaker 3: dollars on a what do they call it?
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  Speaker 4: A sit stand desk?
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  Speaker 3: Some wag in the Australian Comments section wrote, why would
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  Speaker 3: any of our politicians need a six stand desk Parliament?
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  Speaker 3: And our politicians never stand for anything, But when a
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  Speaker 3: public servant believes they deserve a twenty thousand dollar desk,
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  Speaker 3: that's when you know you've got a culture of entitlement
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  Speaker 3: in Canberra. And we all believe Parliament House should look good.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it shouldn't be like, you know, furniture from
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  Speaker 3: Ikea that's delivered in a flat pack and put together.
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  Speaker 2: It's our national teaching a thing or two actually.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, but it's our national government place of meeting.
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  Speaker 4: It should look good.
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  Speaker 3: I don't begrudge them spending money on furniture, but to
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  Speaker 3: have one half million dollars worth sitting in storage somewhere like,
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  Speaker 3: sell it to Caleb, he'll buy it, he's got the money.
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  Speaker 2: Is it any good or not? Still? No?
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  Speaker 5: I loved the twenty thousand dollars desk that was custom
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  Speaker 5: made for a senior bureau.
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  Speaker 6: Just for it to be put into storage.
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  Speaker 5: But then after public outcry because this all came out
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  Speaker 5: in senate estimates earlier this year, they apparently have now
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  Speaker 5: taken it out of storage and it's now being used again,
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  Speaker 5: so probably after this story, they're now going to do
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  Speaker 5: a clearance of all their storage units. But not only
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  Speaker 5: do you have the wasted value one point five million
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  Speaker 5: dollars of furniture sitting there, you're also paying for it
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  Speaker 5: to sit in storage. It's just a waste of money
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  Speaker 5: no matter where you look. So yeah, flog it on
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  Speaker 5: Facebook market places.
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  Speaker 3: You've got storage. I presume it's all insured. There was
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  Speaker 3: also a sixty thousand dollars lounge.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, that's in storage.
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  Speaker 6: I'll have that kind of lounges. Sixty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 4: All the lounge you don't need because it's sitting in stall.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's very impressive.
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  Speaker 5: Look our our good friend, the Swedish doom Goblin, as
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  Speaker 5: she's been called here on Sky News, has been detained
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  Speaker 5: by Israeli defense forces off the coast of Gaza. She
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  Speaker 5: describes it as a kidnapping, which is rather insulting to
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  Speaker 5: the fifty five hostages still being held in Gaza for
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  Speaker 5: six hundred.
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  Speaker 6: And eleven days.
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  Speaker 5: But it really is just quite staggering the victim complex
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  Speaker 5: that they have. Gazans are literally risky their lives to
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  Speaker 5: protest against Haamas while they're sailing towards Hermas only condemning Israel,
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  Speaker 5: making no mention of the hostages, no mention of October seven.
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  Speaker 5: The double standards are honestly, really really shocking.
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  Speaker 6: So what do you guys, reckon?
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  Speaker 5: Will Israel have to show her the October seven footage?
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  Speaker 6: I've heard that as one of the options.
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  Speaker 5: Another one is organized a tour for her of Israel
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  Speaker 5: to see the apartheip for herself. Obviously, what she'll realize
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  Speaker 5: is twenty percent of the country is actually Arab Muslim
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  Speaker 5: and living perfectly happily in the supposed apartheid stay. But
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  Speaker 5: it really is interesting. Here's a little clip of her
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  Speaker 5: being detained by the Israelis.
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  Speaker 7: My name is Giffa Timber and I am from Sweden.
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  Speaker 7: If you see this video, we have been intercepted and
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  Speaker 7: kidnapped in international waters by the Israeli occupational forces or
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  Speaker 7: forces that support israel. I. Urge all my friends, family
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  Speaker 7: and comrades to put pressure on the Swedish government to
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  Speaker 7: release me and the others as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 5: So these profound humanitarian activists and all the aid they
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  Speaker 5: were carrying, well, it amounted to less than a truckload
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  Speaker 5: over one thousand truckloads have entered Gaza in the last
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  Speaker 5: two weeks, so so much for this wonderful, miraculous humanitarian convoy.
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  Speaker 3: I had to laugh at Greta's video there, saying, if
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  Speaker 3: you were watching this video, it is evidence that I've
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  Speaker 3: been kidnapped by the IDF. She wishes, I mean, better
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  Speaker 3: to be kidnapped by the IDF than by her mask,
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  Speaker 3: which was the other option she was facing. And of
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  Speaker 3: course I think she wanted to be intercepted by the
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  Speaker 3: IDF because now she gets exactly what she was after.
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  Speaker 4: We had protests outside.
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  Speaker 3: Anti Albanesi's office today calling for Greta to be released
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  Speaker 3: by the IDF. We had Turkey calling Israel a terra
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  Speaker 3: state for kidnapping Greta Tunberg. We had the Iranians accusing
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  Speaker 3: Israel of piracy, and we had the United Nations Reperteur
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  Speaker 3: on Human Rights, Francesca Alberanzi saying that every port in
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  Speaker 3: the Mediterranean should be sending boats.
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  Speaker 4: With aid and solidarity.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not just about aid, it's also a political
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  Speaker 3: movement that's by her own admission, and that's exactly what
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  Speaker 3: Greta wanted. She never wanted to get to Gaza because
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  Speaker 3: that would.
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  Speaker 4: Have been awkward.
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  Speaker 3: What she wanted was to be intercepted by the IDF
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  Speaker 3: to have her moment.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing she.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't get was she didn't get aggressive nasty Israeli soldiers,
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  Speaker 3: which would have topped it off instead. And we saw
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  Speaker 3: some footage earlier where they're sitting in their life jackets
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  Speaker 3: being handed bottles of water and sandwiches by the very
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  Speaker 3: nice members of the IDF, who, as he said, Freyer,
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  Speaker 3: will show her a video of the atrocities committed on
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  Speaker 3: October seven. Penny Wong was on the boat because she
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  Speaker 3: could do with seeing that video and maybe Anthony Albanizi
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  Speaker 3: could get on a boat to Gaza, be intercepted by
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  Speaker 3: the IDF and see that video as well. But then
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  Speaker 3: she returned safely to her home. As the IDF have said,
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  Speaker 3: kidnapping not a bit she wishes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, let's be clear that the main contents of
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  Speaker 2: that boat is fossil fuels and hot air. But this
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  Speaker 2: is why they should have just let her sail on
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  Speaker 2: to Gaza. And as you said, they have given her
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  Speaker 2: exactly what she wanted, which is the photo opportunity to say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I've been manhandled by the IDF and I've been taken
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  Speaker 2: away and they won't let me go to Gaza. Just
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  Speaker 2: let her go to Gaza. What did Israel have to
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  Speaker 2: lose in doing so? She'd rock up there if she
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  Speaker 2: meets some Hamas terrorists, that's her problem. I don't particularly care.
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  Speaker 2: By intercepting her, they've now created the perception or the
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  Speaker 2: image which she will now run with. And that's very
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  Speaker 2: clear from her video that the IDF has interfered in
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  Speaker 2: her opportunity to express her free speech and go about
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  Speaker 2: her free will, and you can't possibly go there. That's
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  Speaker 2: what she will now run with. So just let her
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  Speaker 2: make land and do what she wants. It's not our problem.
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  Speaker 5: No, But if she'd actually been able to land in Gaza,
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  Speaker 5: her mass would have used her for the ultimate propaganda stunt,
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  Speaker 5: just as they did when they were releasing the hostages.
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  Speaker 5: It would all be orchestrated, all to make Israel look
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  Speaker 5: terrible and her masks look wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: What's the propaganda stunt with gret With Greta off it,
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  Speaker 2: what we're going to do?
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  Speaker 5: Paraded Greta around, showing her the scenes of the genocide.
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  Speaker 6: That's exactly what they would have done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but to the peopleship. But who is that for?
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  Speaker 2: Is that for the people in Gaza outside you know.
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  Speaker 5: For the Western world, for the people outside of Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyone who already agrees with Greater agrees with greater,
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  Speaker 2: and everyone who hates Greta hates greater. So what is
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  Speaker 2: using her as a propaganda to do to help?
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  Speaker 5: Well, what does any ha mass propaganda tool? Do People
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  Speaker 5: want an excuse to hate Israel and it gives them
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  Speaker 5: more of an excuse.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone who thinks israled in the wrong thing by preventing
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  Speaker 3: these people getting to a war zone clearly is biased
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  Speaker 3: in the first place.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's her business.
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  Speaker 2: That's her business.
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  Speaker 3: Like if she wants to go to a wars, Israel
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  Speaker 3: getting hit on both sides, right, So they're accused of.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not hitting Israel. I'm not gonna hit Israel. As
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  Speaker 2: they letter get there, I'm to say, let her go.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: If you're an idiot, if you're dumb enough to get
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: on a boat and float yourself into a war zone,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: good luck to you. Yeah.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: But I'm saying people say Israel have to keep you know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: civilians safe in a war zone. So if they were
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: allowed to if they if they were allowed to allow
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: these civilians into a war zone, well then they'd be
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: accused of not doing that.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, should just be more Darwinian about it. If you
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: get yourself in trouble, you get yourself in trouble. I
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: don't care.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Let's come back to Australia, Sydney in particular. If you
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: walk around the CBD, there's lots of monuments that you
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: can check out. There's monuments of Captain Cook. Why would
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: there be a monument of Captain Cook. Well, he sailed
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: across oceans at a time when that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Was incredibly perilous.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: There's statues of Matthew Flinders who are circumnavigated inside or
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: in shore.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Australia.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Was the first person to do it, Robert Burns, the
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: famous Scottish poet. But of course the problem with all
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: these statues, as is regularly pointed.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Out, is that they are of white men.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Well, you can breathe easy, because that problem is about
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: to be addressed with a multimillion dollar five point five
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: meter high statue about to be erected at Sydney's Circular
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Key of an Aboriginal woman who is also part whale.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Coming up out of the ocean.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: The statue, as you can see on your screen there
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: will be called Black Women Rising and the artist Ellison
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Page says the statue will speak to female power in
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: a white man's world.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: She told media today this CBD.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Is peppered with monuments of white men in history, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: they are done in a way that is colonial.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: It's all linear.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: They're standing on sandstone plinths and doing something heroic, which
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: is kind of the point of why you have a
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: statue of someone because they did something heroic. She goes
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: on to say, this bronze bubbles at the base as
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: if she's forming out of water, as if she's this
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: superhero with her energy and essence living within the Aboriginal
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: women of Sydney today. She is everyone, every black woman,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: every mother, daughter, sister, auntie.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: She is country. I don't know if.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: That inspired either of you. It didn't inspire me. It
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: kind of confused me because I sort of thought, if
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: you're a bit annoyed that there's too many white men
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: being honored with statues in Sydney, then by all means
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: erect a monument to a black woman in Sydney. But
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: maybe erect a monument to an actual black woman, not
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: a mythical black creature half woman, half whale, and maybe
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: honor a black woman or indeed an Indigenous man for
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: something of note that they did. The artist says that
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: white men are honored for heroic deeds, well honor an
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: indigenous person for heroic deeds. There's plenty of indigenous people
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: you could nominate who've done outstanding things.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Why this mythical creature? I don't get it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Nivel Bonna. I mean, I suppose not
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: a woman. So won't fit this particular idea, will it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I have to say, though, I'm not sure who's funded
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: this because it's not clear whether it's funded by the
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: council or by Lyndlease, because it's going in front of
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: an apartment development. Right, If Lindles is paying for it,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and they're paying a significant sum of money for it,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: then a free kick to them. You can do whatever
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the hell you want with your private money. If it
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: turns out that there is public money being tipped into this,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: then it's a completely different story. But I have to say,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: as meaningless as this thing actually is, it's much better
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: than most public art we see these days. I mean,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: there is absolute garbage around. So a big bronze statue
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: of a half while half woman thing actually won't be
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: that bad to look at compared to most of the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: we're subjected to now.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: But this is the thing.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: No one actually wants to go see modern art anymore.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Many modern art galleries are struggling to attract visitors, so
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: now they have to put it in the public sphere,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: so you can't possibly avoid it. This is just a
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: way of getting people to look at terrible art. But
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: it's also something that is not particularly original to Sydney.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: There are now bronze statues of random people in Florence,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: like this one of a black woman holding looking.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: At her phone.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: There's a similar one in a Times Square of an
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: overweight black woman standing there. It's the glorification of the mundane,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: and it's not beautiful. It's not inspiring. It doesn't draw
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: us higher into something transcendent. It doesn't inspire us to
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: the heroic like those colonial statues do. I have no
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: issue putting indigenous people into statues, but isn't it a
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: little insulting to these successful Aboriginal women. You should be
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: in the statue versus some fake mythological whale.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, give us a specific example of someone that we
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: can all admire and say, you know what, that person
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: is a great role model, rather than a vague generality,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: which this monument is.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: And notwithstanding that, toppling a five meter tall bronze statue
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: of this magnitude would be an exceptionally difficult task. But
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I do wonder if someone decides to lop it over
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: many times whether they will say, oh, we won't put
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: it back up again, because it would be too expensive
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to do so, as of course they have done with
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: monuments to Captain Cook, who, by the way, was not
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: involved in the first fleet or the colonization of this country.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Let's go over to the United States. Of course, you
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: would have seen these riots going on in LA right now.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: All of this sparked by, of course, Donald Trump doing
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: what Donald Trump said Donald Trump would do, which is
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to deport illegal migrants from the United States. And because
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: there has been a sweep through LA, they've rounded up
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: a bunch of illegal migrants, many of them criminals, and
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: deported them overseas. Are now being held in El Salvadorian
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: prisons for at least a year, and then they'll work
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: out what to do with them again after that. But
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: the violence scenes that you have seen, and you can
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: see some of it on the screen here, people rioting,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: setting self driving cars on fire. Of course, Donald Trump's
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: now sent out the National Guard. People are having rubber
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: bullets fired at them, And will come back to that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in the moment, because I'm sure you've seen the footage
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: tonight our journalist Lauren to Marzi being hit with a
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: rubber bullet. But I mean, this is exactly what we
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: were told would happen. And I don't mean we were
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: told that there would be civil unrisk, but we were
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: told that Donald Trump would clean up the streets and
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: get rid of illegal migrants. And for some reason, the
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: idea of enforcing the law and that's all he's doing
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: enforcing the law now causes the left in the United
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: States to absolutely go off. It's nut. I mean, it's
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: not like we're talking about people who have been citizens
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of the United States being ripped away from their families
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and sent overseas that deserves riots in the street. We're
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: talking about illegal migrants, many of them criminals, and that
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: is how left us in the United States respond, Well.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: This is exposing just how bad Biden's border crisis really was,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: and I think Democrats trying to sweep it under the
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: rug and say, oh, no, it's not really that bad.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: These are just some Laura abiding.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Peaceful people who just want to come to America and
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: make a better life. Well, inherent in being an illegal
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: migrant easier, not Laura abiding. But anyway, Gavin Newsom actually
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: wrote to Trump asking him to rescind the deployment of
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: the National Guard, saying California has this under control. But
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: then just moments later the LA Police chief said officers
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: were overwhelmed. And then you have other Democrats like Tim
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Waltz who accused Ice of being the new Gestapo. You're
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: the mayor of Boston who said, I so basically neo
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Nazis it is. I mean, on the one hand, they
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: can't actually grapple with the fact that they have let
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: their cities get this bad. Now finally someone's coming in
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: to clean up the mess. But then they are also
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: actively putting in danger these law enforcement officials by creating
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: hysteria and comparing them to Nazis.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned Tim wall So, I remember his wife
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: saying that during the Black Lives Matter protest, she opened
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: the windows of her home so she could smell the
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: fumes of the fires set by the rioters. I mean,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the Democrats want this kind of thing, and Trump's had
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: to send in the National Guard because the mayor of
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles, she has blatantly encouraged this. She said when
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Trump sent ice into California to remove illegal she said,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: we will.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Not allow this to happen.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: And then she made comments to the effect that her
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: office was liaising with community groups about the protests, which
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: was sort of a subtle message that you have permission
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: to do whatever you want to do. Nothing is going
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: to be done, so she's actively encouraging it. Gavin Newsom, Well,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: he doesn't know what to do, and we all know
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: that's the case because we're not surprised by it because
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: remember the fires, I mean, they had a natural disaster.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: He'd know what to do about that. Now they've got rioting.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: He doesn't know what to do about that either.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And there's only one way to deal with rioting, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: that is to come down hard and fast, because if
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: you don't, it spreads. And so Trump has got to
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: come in and deal with this. Now one little thing,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: it's a minor thing, but it annoys me. How Donald
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Trump fives off tweets where he refers to Gavin Newsom,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: a's Gavin new scum.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I just wish Trump.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: He's got the law on his side, he's got a
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: mandate that he won at the election. I just don't
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: know why he has to resort to rubbish like that, which.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Just demeans him and the office.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: And he seeds the high moral ground over and over
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: when he doesn't need to.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I mean he does that all the He's always he's
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: always needs to do it. He doesn't need to, but
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: he's always gone for the jugular. So look, I think
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of all the things going on at the moment, that's
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: probably on the mark.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: But we saw the images on our TV, right, you
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: don't need to go for the jake you. Gavin Newsom
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: is condemned by the images he's allowing us to see
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: in his city.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: But this is not by silly tweets.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: From Trump, but I mean the fact that this is
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: just the response to law and order being enforced. I mean,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: would these people prefer maybe they would would prefer to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: live in an anarchist world. I mean they want the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: world without borders and all that sort of stuff.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Any resistance to Trump is justified.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: One thing though, and I'm sure you've seen the footage
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: tonight is the Lauren to Marzi from the Channel nine
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: being hit by a rubber bullet. Now, I don't know
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: how many times you've seen this footage. I've watched it
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: over a few times tonight. Keep your eye on the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: left hand side of the screen. With one of the
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: coppers with his gun with the rubber bullet in it.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He seems to turn around and fired directly at Lauren
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: for no particular reason.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Take a look.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing I can think of is
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: that there was a car turning into that lane, so
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: he's sending a warning. But then wouldn't you just shout
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: get the hell out of the way. You know, look
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: amongst lots of stuff that's going on there at the moment,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I get that this is reasonably minor. Lauren Tomazie was
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: all right. She made it across at six o'clock. She
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: said she was fine. But there was no call for that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Well, it's always going to be chaos in that kind
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: of a situation. What I don't like is anti Trump
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: people using that as evidence that Trump is going too
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: hard on the protesters, when I actually read somewhere that
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: the person who fired the shot was an LAPD officer
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: not even under Trump's control. So look, we'll see it's
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: always chaotic in these sorts of situations. But there is
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: a feud that is dividing the internet. Two of the
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: biggest names in women's sports, Riley Gaines and Simone Biles,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: have erupted into an online feud. It all began when
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Riley Gains, who is a former swimmer and women's rights activist,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: posted a photo of a Minnesota team that won a championship,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: but they won it with a trans player, and she said,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: of course your comments are turned off. Your star player
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: is a boy. Not controversial for Riley Gaines to say.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: But then out of nowhere came former Olympic gymnast Simone Biles,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: who absolutely ripped into Riley Gains for this. She said,
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: pick on someone your own size. We should be uplifting
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: trans people, or making sport more inclusive, or perhaps finding
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: a transgender category in all sports, and then she called
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Riley Gaines straight up a sore loser now rightfully. The
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: internet then exploded when Simone Biles said this because she
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: won her Olympic medals in the female category. If she
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: had been competing against men as she wants in her
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: inclusive utopia, she would never have won the gold medal
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: because of men's physical strength and advantage. And then the
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: funniest part was an old tweet of Simone Biles came
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: back to bite her back in twenty seventeen. She tweeted,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: good thing guys don't compete against girls, or he'd take
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: all the gold medals. Riley Gains responded to this and said,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: don't you hate it when your past self undermines your
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: current nonsensical argument. And that's the point everyone, deep down knows.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: Any professional athlete would know that men have a substantial
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: physical advantage just by virtue of their biology. She knew
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: that somehow eight years ago she knew that, But now
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: She's fallen victim to the woke mind virus.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Simone Biles got eleven Olympic medals competing in a
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: female sport against females, earned millions of dollars, and retired
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: and then started saying how males should be allowed to
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: compete in female sport, which seems a little easy. Not
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: only that, but she wants to take on Riley Gains,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: we did face a male in her sports. Riley Gains
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: achieved fame or notoriety, depending on where you sit on
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the issue when she complained had the temerity to be
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: upset that. Remember Leah Thomas, the biological male who was
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: dominating university swimming and beat Riley Gains. So Riley Gaines
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: knows what it is to be penalized in female sport
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: having to compete against a transgendered athlete.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: For Simone Biles.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: To win all their medals, take all her money and
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: then sit back righteously pontificating on we need to support
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: trans people in female sports is pretty rich.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Well, mus Biles could simply put her money where her
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: mouth is and go back to competing and compete against men.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: If she's that confident that this isn't an issue, then
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: that's what you go and do. It's also interesting to
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: note that Gymnastics USAY, which is of course the governing
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: body for gymnastics in the United States, has now pulled
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: their transgender entrance policy from its web site, and previously
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: they updated it about five years ago and changed the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: rules so that you didn't have to have gender assignment
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: surgery or anything in order to be able to compete
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: in gymnastics, so you can be a biological mail and
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: have taken very few steps to change anything about yourself
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: and compete as a woman. And amidst all of this,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: they've now pulled that from their website. So it makes
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: you wonder what's going on behind the scenes in the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: governing body and how they're now thinking about all of this.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: If it turns out that Simone Bile's going off at
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: chops about this actually causes them to review this policy,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: then maybe she's done a good thing.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: And I think that's exactly what's happened, because Riley Gaines
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: has said many athletes who are still competing professionally for
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Gymnastics USA have contacted her privately behind the scenes, saying
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: they support her stance on the issue and that women's
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: sports should be protected for women. And this is the thing,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know why people are still trying to make
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: this argument or fight this fight.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: This is a ninety ten issue.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: I honestly, it's not even partisan, it's not political, it's
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: just basic common sense. So this would seem like a
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: real pr headache for Simone Biles to get into for
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: zero gain.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbelievable.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Why she would want to do this, who knows, but
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I guess it makes her look righteous in the eyes
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: of the work. Want to show you a headline that
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I've got, to be honest, really confused me. In the
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Herald Sun today. It's regarding school policies on mobile phones
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: in Victoria. The headline reads, teachers and education experts call
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: for wearable devices to be banned in school phone policy.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: In other words, Victorian government schools have banned mobile phones,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: and for good reason. Obviously, they are a massive distraction
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: for young people, not to mention the bullying that goes
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: on with regards to social media. We don't need mobile
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: phones in schools. But writing their policy they forgot to
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: include things like Apple watches, evidently, and so now teachers
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: are saying we need to ban those as well. And
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: then you've got kids with their AirPods listening to I
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: guess they can get them to their laptops if they
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: don't have their mobile phones, calling for those to be
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: banned as well.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: This seems to me to be so obvious.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I can't believe they didn't write this into the policy originally,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: but hopefully they will. As a parent of children, I
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: know very well how their devices are a massive distraction,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: and they're honest enough to admit it to me themselves
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: that having a phone at school was not a good
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: thing to do.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: So the Victorian government should quickly deal with this.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the evidence is very clear and the ban
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: just on mobile phones has already been quite effective. There
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: was a survey of students which found that eighty seven
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: percent of them said they were now less distracted, eighty
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: one percent said they were learning better. Teachers have reported
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: improved behavior. Obviously, you reduce the harm from online bullying,
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: the mental health impacts. So I mean, but this is
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: just classic bureaucrats. Well, we'll write this whole policy, but
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: forget the most obvious thing, like kids will always find
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: a way around a band.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Indeed, before we get to a break, you'll remember a
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: little while ago, the CFMU went to administration because it
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: came out that they had links to biker gangs. So
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: you would think that with all of that going on,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't be doing anything remotely near a biki gang
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: at the moment, But no, it turns out that is
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: not the case because the CFMU, it turns out, has
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: been sponsoring the boxer son of a member of the
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Hell's Angels. Sir Danny Bolt is the father. He's the
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: member of the Hell's Angels, and you can you saw
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: there on the screen before Jesse Bolt so very clearly
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: showing off his c CFMU sorry sponsorship. Then, of course
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: we're not suggesting that mister Bolt has done anything wrong
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: or that he himself is a member of the Hell's Angels,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: just that his father is a member of the Hell's Angels.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: But you would think when you're in a bit of
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: trouble from the federal government you've gone into administration because
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: there is clear evidence that you've been a little too
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: those to biking gangs and that they've infiltrated your union,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: that you would take steps to get as far away
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: from even the whiff of a biking gang as possible.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: But apparently not. You know, when you've got the sons
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of baking members walking around in boxing competitions, that's where
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: union money needs to be spent.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And there you go, Caleb Bond lamenting the lack of
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: wisdom and common sense from the CFM EU court.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: We're going to go to a break.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: including calls for Aboriginal Australians who are going to court
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to be given female judges so that they feel culturally safe.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: That's coming up in a month.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: what's making news tomorrow. We'll start with the Australian Caleb.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: The government's way looking at me like that.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: What do you mean, I'm just waiting. I'm waiting to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: jump into that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Look of anticipation is okay? Let's start with you that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Did you think the look was?
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: It was just a weird look that government's green dreams
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: are in trouble?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Kalon.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Can you blame me for giving a weird look when
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I have to look at this bloke sitting next to
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: me every night while we're talking about the green dream.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: High price hydrogen bombshell. The initial cost of producing green
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: hydrogen from Australia's two largest projects will be more than
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: four times the price of rival energy sources, posing a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: fresh setback for Labour's bid to deliver a major new
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: export industry by twenty thirty and meet net zero goal.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Singapore based Intercontinental Energy, a co owner of two mega
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: developments in western Australia, where a combined one hundred and
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: thirty six billion dollars has conceded. Initial costs for delivering
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: green energy from the facilities was estimated at between eight
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and eleven dollars a kilogram. I mean, look, I don't
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: know how many more holes can be shot in green energy.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Of course, Twiggy's given up on all of his big projects.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Ninety nine percent of the projects in the pipeline haven't
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: gone past the development or approval stage. And yet we've
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: still got the federal government carrying on about how good
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: it is, even though of course they had to bail
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: out down in South Australia because of course the steel
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: works down there weren't working, which were meant to be
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: fueled by hydrogen green hydrogen. On and on it goes.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Can we just admit that it's not going to happen?
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: Sorry, you got the Albanezi government has already spent eight
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: billion dollars trying to kickstart this industry and they're hoping
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: to build it to a fifty billion dollar industry with
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: sixteen thousand jobs, but there is literally no investors, so
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: they're spending all this money on a pipe dream. Meanwhile,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: they're criticizing nuclear, which is a tried and tested technology
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: that is green, that people will invest in, that is
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: working around the world.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: Seriously stupid and that's my problem.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: They're dismantling a very reliable, very cheap energy grid for
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: speculative projects. Also on the front page, there's some good
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: news on energy. Dan Teen says the coalition will take
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: their time to work out whether or not they'll walk
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: away from net zero, so that is still being discussed
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: by the coalition and they probably won't go with Dutton's
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: plan to have the Commonwealth buy or pay for nuclear power,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: but certainly lift the ban on nuclear power. So there
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: is some common sense, thank god, on this topic.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: We'll see where their land. I mean, if they want
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to generate energy, they could burn all that furniture that
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: they're being installed they're not using a parliament house and
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: get the energy out of that. Or I'll give a
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: shout out to Spencer Housen, former radio host at the
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: ABC and four BC in Brisbane, sent me a message
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: a little earlier and said Parliament should put all of
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: that furniture up on Give It, which is a platform
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: where charities can get hold of furniture and money and
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: whatever that they need to distribute to people and give
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: it out to the needy. What a great idea that
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: would be. Another story on the front of the ODS tomorrow,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Indigenous Cultural Safety lawship. This one is insane exclusive from
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Ellie Dudley. Judges in the nation's largest criminal jurisdiction should
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: consider allowing cases involving Aboriginal Australians to be heard in
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: a closed court or before a female judicial officer in
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: order to enhance cultural safety, according to provisions inserted in
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: a new South Wales bench book. The Equality Before the
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Law bench Book, which was compiled by the state's judicial
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: watchdog and acts as an overview of legal procedure for judges,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: instructs judicial officers to be wary of their own unconscious
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: racial and cultural biases when presiding over childs that involve
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Indigenous people. But the idea that you would have, I mean,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: and this is what we're talking about, different levels of
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: justice for different classes of which is no justice at
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: all correct along racial lines. I mean, this is why
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: people voted against the Voice. They didn't want any legal
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: recognition that people were different. Because we all agree, or
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: most of us agree anyway, that every man should be
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: equal and woman equal before the law. You go down
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: this road, we are not all equal before the law.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: How do you ever have reconciliation and have one country
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: when you keep dividing everything up, even to the point
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: where certain people get different context for their criminal trial
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: based on race. It's insulting to judges to suggest they
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: can't create a fair environment in which someone's case is heard.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: It's insulting to indigenous people to suggest they are so
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: traumatized by the events of two hundred years ago that
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: they can't possibly sit in a.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Court of law the same as the rest of us.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: And it's insulting to the rest of the country to
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: suggest that somehow a certain group gets special privileges i e.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Closed court, a more sympathetic judge based on race.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: It's also so funny that this is in the Equality
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: before the Law bench book, more like Inequality before the Law.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: But anyway, moving on to the Herald Sun now, the
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: headline reads Vlad's crude war chest. Australia is helping bankroll
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Moscow's war on Ukraine, the Kremlin reaping one point eighty
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: five billion dollars in tax on fuel shipped here despite
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: a ban on importing oil from Vladimir Putin's regime. Russia's
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: windfall is more than the one point five billion Australia
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: has sent to Ukraine in aid, so on net by
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: about three hundred and fifty million dollars, Australia is actually
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: supporting Russia.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: That news to me.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would seem to be a pretty poor result
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: for this country. For the Australian government to have that
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: going on and not to make some changes to it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it just makes a mockery of the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: idea of sanctions. And this has of course been the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: major problem in Europe is that they made themselves so
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: reliant on Russian gas and resources and then they don't
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: know how to wean themselves off of it. If you're
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: giving these powers to a dictatorial state like Russia, what
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: It's got the front page of the Towns called bulletin
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: awful conditions in Cleveland, leading two shorter sentences. Cleveland is
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: a youth detention center in towns or young crims get
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: out quicker because juvenile offenders being locked in their rooms
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: for days on end. And that is an example of
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: some of the unusual and harsh conditions. The paper says,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: being considered by judges when reducing sentences in Queensland courts
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: awful conditions in judd in jail. I wasn't aware that
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: jails were supposed to have pleasant conditions or nice conditions.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: You guys think, but I.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Don't think you should get a shorter sentence because prison
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: was more unpleasant than you thought it might be.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I'm lid to believe you can get hold of sky
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: and use in some New South Wales prison. So if
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: you're watching from prison tonight, hollo, But I mean, this
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous if you are a child who's committed enough offenses,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: because of course you don't want to be locking up
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: kids willy nearly in jail. But if you've got to
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the point where that is consideration youth detention for you,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: you've gone pretty far down the line. And so now
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: we're saying, well, it might be a hard time for you,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: so we'll lock you in your room. I mean, that's
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: what your parents should have been doing. And surely the
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: reality is, of course there'll be bail conditions whatever on
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: all of this sort of stuff that if you breach it,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the coppers can come around and then you will be
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: in the clink. But if you are the sort of
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: kid who has disobeyed your parents or your parents have
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: no control over you, are we seriously going to believe
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: that mister judge saying you must stay in your bedroom,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: dear boy, is actually going to stop them from committing crime.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: And typically they're locked in their room for days on
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: end or in their cell because there's either rioting happening
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: in the prison and so it's for their own safety,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: or it's because they have been able to be trusted
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: in general population.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: And most of youth crime is being driven by serious
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: repeat offenders. So maybe if when they went to prison
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: it was such an awful experience they never wanted to
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: go back, we could reduce the rates of recidivism.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: All right, So I go on.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: We'll go to the Daily Telegraph tomorrow where it says
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: more fool you as senior Breaucrat warn sports codes should
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: not be fooled by Premier Chrisman's plans to hack More Sorry,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Hack Sorry More Park golf course in half, saying there
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: was nothing in the decision for new facilities. The warning
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: is contained in secret internal emails released via an order
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: of Parliament, which suggests building new sporting facilities would require
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: mass tree clearing, which would never get enough support from
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: the community for a government to actually go through with it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, the whole idea was ridiculous in the first place,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: that you're going to cut a public golf course in
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: half and then turn half of it into parkland for
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: people to walk around. It's already parkland. I mean, just
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: leave it alone. It's a public golf course available for
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the benefit of the public, as opposed to private golf courses.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I honestly don't know why they're persisting with it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Could not agree more.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Why do people as they get older make noises every
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: time they move? We'll talk about that and more in
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: just a moment. I've got no idea why. Caleb and
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Freyer asked me to introduce this particular topic, But there
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: was a letter to a doctor's advice column at news
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: dot com dot Au over the weekend asking why do
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: people as they get older start groaning when they type
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: their shoelacers and make other movements.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: The letter said, Dear doctor Zach, I don't know what's
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: happening to me.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: But in the last twelve months, I've started to make
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: what my partner is describing as old people noises. Why
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: is it every time I bend over to put my
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: shoes on, I groan? And why is it whenever I
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: get up from the couch, I make a noise? Why
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: is it when I get out of bed, I make
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: a noise? It's really annoying. Well, I don't know any
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: bad thing about this, of course, But apparently the doctor
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: replies that you're not falling apart.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: It's audible adaptation.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Where in your key postural muscles you die ram your
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: pelvic floor, your abdominals, they get weaker as you get older,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: and so when your body is trying to stabilize caleb
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: as you bend down to tie your shoes. So I'm
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: told it comes out as a noise or a groan,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: and then it becomes a habit, and then you become
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: one of those old people who's making noises left, right
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: and center every time your move. There's a lot to
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: look forward to with aging. But of course I've got
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: decades to find out what any of this really means.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: And on that note, actually, no, no, we've still got
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: a few minutes of this show lift. Haven't we remember
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: when Chris Norman got done living next door to Alysee
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: he got with Susie Quattro and they started stumbling in. Well,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump has found his moment for that as well.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: You mon't call it his Biden moment. Walking up the
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: stairs of Air Force one.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: And what there he goes.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: He nearly fell, but he rights himself. He did a
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: slightly better job, it should be said, than Biden. Of course,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: you will remember this faous footage when well he every
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: time he tried to hit. I am waiting and I'm
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: sure it will come eventually for the anti Trump people
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: to tune this out and say, look, it's proof for
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump can't make his way. He is just as
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: bad as Joe Biden. Even Marco Rubio fell on the stairs.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe all this time we were a little harsh on
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe more difficult having just done an old man's story,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: who hasn't heard going up Biden one is like, that's
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: next leak?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Do you reckon? He made a grown as.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: No steep stairs, but Biden definitely stumbled worse. Zebra was
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: on the loose for a full week. It's shut down
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: highways everyone was looking for this zebra, but I'm pleased
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: to say it has been found and returned home in
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: spectacular fashion. This is somebody's pet zebra in Tennessee being
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: airlifted by helicopter home. I mean, I didn't know you
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: were able to have pet zebra firstly, but look at
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: that majestic vision.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's quite incredible.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you, as a zebra escape if you're going
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: to get that sort of right at the end of.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: It, I was going to say, like, this is no
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: encouragement for him to stop that behavior. I mean, he's
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: just like people jump out of plane for fun. He's like,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: holy I will be escaping now.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: No board toy ride. That's it from us stick around.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Coming up in just a moment, is the reader Penny
• 49:27
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