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Speaker 1: Today on Steelers Country Weekly, we recap the Steelers Sunday
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Speaker 1: night lost to the Green Bay Packers, look ahead to
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Speaker 1: the matchup against the Indianapolis Colts, and then talk all
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Speaker 1: things college football around the coaching carousel. I'm Nick Detulio,
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Speaker 1: and as always I'm joined by the world famous accountant
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Speaker 1: Derek Vanmin showten, Eric, how are you tonight?
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Speaker 2: Good?
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're starting to sound like e Or so
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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, it sounds like maybe I'm
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Speaker 3: a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Even more upbeat than you are. But you know, I'm
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Speaker 2: doing all right, could be better. But you know there's
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Speaker 2: a melancholy about right now.
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Speaker 1: Well I have never been compared to ey Or before,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I do feel very frustrated, very angry
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Speaker 1: with the team. And I know that you didn't get
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Speaker 1: to watch the whole game live, but I texted you
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Speaker 1: right after something or something to the effective. Well, that
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Speaker 1: was a massive waste of time staying up and watching
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Speaker 1: that game myself. But now the only thing I can
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Speaker 1: take solace in is that again one of us predicted
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Speaker 1: a loss and the other did not, So one of
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Speaker 1: us was correct, and what was going to happen.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to say who predicted who was right right?
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Speaker 1: We will leave that just to respect privacy, you know.
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Speaker 1: But no, I don't really want to beat around the bush.
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Speaker 1: I kind of want to get into this game because
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Speaker 1: I think this is the angriest I've been in a
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Speaker 1: long time at the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I've given the
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Speaker 1: team and the organization the benefit of the doubt for
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Speaker 1: a while. I really and we'll talk about the college
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Speaker 1: coaching carousel later, but I really do try to give
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Speaker 1: the team the benefit of the doubt. I don't want
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Speaker 1: the organization to be like some of these college programs,
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Speaker 1: or a program like the Cleveland Browns where you're changing
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Speaker 1: coaches every year or two and things like that. And
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Speaker 1: I just think that watching this game on Sunday night,
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Speaker 1: seeing what transpired, mainly in the second half, and then
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Speaker 1: seeing some of the reactions after the fact, like in
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Speaker 1: postgame interviews and press conferences, I'm just I'm just a
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Speaker 1: little burnt out, and I don't really know what else
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Speaker 1: needs to happen. And I feel I feel bad joining
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Speaker 1: all of these people who are saying, see, I told you,
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Speaker 1: Tom Win's got to go. Tom Win's a terrible coach,
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Speaker 1: mostly because I don't want to admit that they were right.
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Speaker 1: I think some of them maybe did pull the trigger
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Speaker 1: a little too early on that. But anyway, let's just
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Speaker 1: talk about the game and we can talk about the
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Speaker 1: other stuff as it comes up. The game was Sunday
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Speaker 1: night game. It was in Pittsburgh, and obviously the big
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Speaker 1: story was Aaron Rodgers going against the Green Bay Packers.
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Speaker 1: There was a lot of hype around that. There wasn't
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Speaker 1: really any bad blood at least in any of the
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Speaker 1: pregame interviews or anything like that. Aaron Rodgers was very cordial,
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Speaker 1: Jordan Love was very cordial. They you know, everyone seemed
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Speaker 1: very friendly, Rogers and the entire Packers staff around the game,
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Speaker 1: So there was really no drama there, I will say.
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Speaker 1: And we can talk about this too. This almost merits
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Speaker 1: its own conversation. We know that the field was in
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Speaker 1: pretty bad condition the last time they played, and.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 1: Pretty rough again this last game too, because the pitt
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Speaker 1: Panthers played a home game as well this past weekend,
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Speaker 1: and I think they wrapped up around eight o'clock or
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Speaker 1: so on Saturday evening, so you had the field being
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Speaker 1: a problem again. The team looked like garbage. I think
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Speaker 1: and when I say they looked like garbage, I'm not
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Speaker 1: even talking about the play. I'm talking about their literal uniforms.
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Speaker 1: They looked like garbage. Those were offuy uniforms. I do
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Speaker 1: not care for those uniforms. I don't really care for
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Speaker 1: any of the Steelers throwbacks.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, person that like them, I don't.
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Speaker 1: I just don't get it. Maybe it's because the Steelers
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Speaker 1: have such an iconic normal jersey. I just don't care
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Speaker 1: for any of the throwbacks. But I think I would
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Speaker 1: even take the Bumblebees over the ones we saw this
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Speaker 1: past Sunday. At least there was I mean, at least
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Speaker 1: I could see some historical I don't know. I'm just
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Speaker 1: gonna say that's how bad I thought of the jerseys
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Speaker 1: we saw this past week. And really, this game I
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Speaker 1: think was a pretty close mirror to the previous game
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Speaker 1: against the Bengals. The Steelers started off pretty strong in
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Speaker 1: the first half with and they ended up going into
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Speaker 1: halftime with a nine point lead. If I had any
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Speaker 1: criticism for the offense, it would be just some of
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Speaker 1: those drives have got to be converted into touchdowns, and
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Speaker 1: there was a few plays where they probably could have happened.
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Speaker 1: Maybe DK Metcalf could have fought for the ball a
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Speaker 1: little more, maybe some things could have gone their way.
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Speaker 1: But you know, at the end of the day, if
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Speaker 1: your offense is still putting up twenty five points, it's
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Speaker 1: tough to get frustrated with that. But really, once the
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Speaker 1: second half came, especially in the fourth quarter, it was
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Speaker 1: just all downhill for the Steelers. And when I say
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Speaker 1: that I'm getting burnt out and frustrated, it's because it's
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Speaker 1: not just that this was the replay of the week
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Speaker 1: before against the Bengals. It's almost every season we go
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Speaker 1: through this same script here, and what happened here was
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Speaker 1: just that the defense got smoked. There was a point
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Speaker 1: where Jordan Love completed twenty straight passes the defense could
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Speaker 1: not get to him. There were a few third and
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Speaker 1: long plays, one in particular that Tyler Croft turned craft
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Speaker 1: rather or Tucker Craft sorry, turned into like a.
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Speaker 2: fIF taken it to us.
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Speaker 1: He's made me delirious, that's the problem. It was a
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Speaker 1: third and long deep in the Packers' own territory, and
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Speaker 1: just before the Steelers could hit Love, he threw just
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Speaker 1: like a lame duck pass and it hung up there
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Speaker 1: for ever, and not only did Deshaun Elliott not even
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Speaker 1: turn around to look for the ball. If he did,
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Speaker 1: it would have been an easy pick or at least
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Speaker 1: an easy deflection. The other safety didn't see it, didn't
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Speaker 1: react to it, and then, due to poor tackling, Craft
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Speaker 1: runs away with it for fifty nine yards. And then
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Elliott gets hurt on the play and he's I've
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Speaker 1: heard probably out for the year, I've heard week to week.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell is going on. But
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Speaker 1: the point is it was a catastrophic play that could
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Speaker 1: have easily been avoided. And frankly, that's been the story
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Speaker 1: with the Steelers' defense as they once again are giving
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Speaker 1: up well over four hundred yards, they're giving up over
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Speaker 1: thirty points again. And the part that just really made
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Speaker 1: me mad before we got on the air was, well,
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Speaker 1: there was three things. The first is we keep hearing
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Speaker 1: talk about trading for a wide receiver, and I'm sitting
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Speaker 1: here like, how's the wide receiver going to help us
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Speaker 1: on defense?
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Speaker 2: It makes you feel better we did trade for a safety.
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Speaker 1: I know we'll get that literally happened just before we recorded,
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Speaker 1: like a half hour, so, but I'm like I'm not
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Speaker 1: really concerned. If our offense is putting up twenty five
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Speaker 1: to thirty points a game, that should be enough. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: then you have Cam Hayward in the locker room afterwards saying,
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Speaker 1: we just don't have a lot of fight right now.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, bro, I don't want to hear that.
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Speaker 1: You're one, You're a professional, you get paid to do
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Speaker 1: what you're doing. We shouldn't have to sit here and
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Speaker 1: motivate you. Plus, you're the guy that literally held out
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Speaker 1: this year after criticizing Rogers, and you're playing on a
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Speaker 1: defense where you're making minimal impact, and now you're saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: we just don't have a lot of fight right now. Really,
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Speaker 1: on top of all of this, and I'll that you
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Speaker 1: jump in a second, because I know filibustered this whole time.
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Speaker 1: On top of all this, in Tomlin's press conference, he
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Speaker 1: doesn't really address the defense much at all, and he
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Speaker 1: opens up with talking about what I said, which was
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Speaker 1: the offense has to convert more touchdowns. And yes, if
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Speaker 1: you're looking at a game holistically, sure the offense didn't
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Speaker 1: play perfect, that's something else they can do. But don't
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Speaker 1: try for a second to put this on the offense,
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Speaker 1: when you're the defensive mastermind and we're seeing the same
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Speaker 1: performance more times than not from your defense giving up
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Speaker 1: all these yards and all these points. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to hear a Tominism, and I don't want to hear,
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Speaker 1: you know, any given Sunday kind of speech. I want
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Speaker 1: the coach to say, our defense has been awful. That's
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Speaker 1: my fault, and that's the coaching staff's fault for not
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Speaker 1: getting them in place. We're gonna make changes. I fully
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Speaker 1: expect they're not gonna tell us what those changes are,
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Speaker 1: because you can't say these are the schemes we're gonna
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Speaker 1: draw up, you know, obviously for strategic reasons, right, but
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Speaker 1: I don't think we should be beaten around the bush here.
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Speaker 1: So all right, now that I've gotten all that off
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Speaker 1: my chest, let's hear from you. What are your takeaways
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Speaker 1: from this performances past Sunday.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it sounds like it was pretty much
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Speaker 3: the same script as you mentioned from the Bengals game.
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Speaker 3: I mean started hot, had a lead, and then just
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Speaker 3: kind of peeded down our leg there.
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Speaker 2: You know, I saw something.
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Speaker 3: We haven't generated a turnover in thirteen quarters, and now
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Speaker 3: after this week because we've given up seven hundred yards
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Speaker 3: in two weeks. We are the worst past defense in
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Speaker 3: the league. When we have Jalen Ramsey and that you mentioned.
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Speaker 3: I think last week that Tomlin went out and he
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Speaker 3: won it, sleigh. We invested a first well, the top
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Speaker 3: of the second round pick and Joey Porter. We have
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Speaker 3: the highest paid defense in the league. We had the
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Speaker 3: high probably the highest paid edge in the league.
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Speaker 2: I I just don't know.
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Speaker 3: What I don't understand about, Like when you know players
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Speaker 3: aren't doing well.
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Speaker 2: And like they feel unmotivated, blah blah blah. You know,
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Speaker 2: I'm thirty five myself.
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Speaker 3: I don't need a grown man to go tell me
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Speaker 3: how to have pride. I just realized it about myself
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Speaker 3: and I pulled myself.
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Speaker 2: By my bootstraps and I go do it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it's just like one of those things
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Speaker 3: like it's gotta be so embarrassing, and I mean, if
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Speaker 3: they don't feel that amount of embarrassment and shame going
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Speaker 3: on right now, I feel bad for them because they
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Speaker 3: really should, because they're an uber talented squad. And even
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Speaker 3: Tomlin said the beginning of the year this group had
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Speaker 3: the ability.
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Speaker 2: To be historic.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they might be historically the most overpaid worst
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Speaker 3: defense in history that we are on trend for that,
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Speaker 3: so worst ROI and defensive history possibly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, I just don't.
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Speaker 3: You know, we could break down x's and o's. We
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Speaker 3: could say that they had they went one out of
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Speaker 3: ten on third down efficiency, So offense isn't also just
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Speaker 3: like as well, we had five point two yards per
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Speaker 3: past at ten.
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Speaker 2: But look, it's just.
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Speaker 3: There's something. It doesn't take a naked eye to tell
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Speaker 3: you that something is broken. And I just don't think
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Speaker 3: that there's like any accountability. I just like you said,
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Speaker 3: I've gotten you have a longer fuse when it comes
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Speaker 3: to Tomlin.
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Speaker 2: But look, he has no coaching tree at all at all.
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Speaker 3: And the guy's been in the league for twenty years
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Speaker 3: and he lives and dies by these coordinators that honestly
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Speaker 3: don't do jack anything.
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Speaker 2: And it took.
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Speaker 3: It took the mister Rooney himself to basically make Matt
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Speaker 3: Canada fire.
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Speaker 2: Right? Do you need that happen again? Do you need
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Speaker 2: do you need Daddy to come in and tell you
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Speaker 2: what to do?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry you like and whether or not
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Speaker 3: that Austin is a figurehead and it's actually just the
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Speaker 3: fingerprints are all on Tomlin.
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Speaker 2: Well, then one, Tomlin's seat needs to be.
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Speaker 3: Smoking hot, and two, I don't care Tomalin made that higher.
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Speaker 3: That's Tomlin's guy. He needs to be gone and they
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Speaker 3: need to do something. And I think that schematically, these
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Speaker 3: guys are off.
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Speaker 2: They obviously don't feel motivated, they.
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Speaker 3: Don't seem prepared, and you know, I think that a
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Speaker 3: change is imminent, and I don't want them to get
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Speaker 3: to week thirteen and realize that it's still early in
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Speaker 3: the season. But you know, they're gonna w away of
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Speaker 3: the season and we're gonna have another nine and eight
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Speaker 3: season and we're gonna waste the prime of TJ. Watt
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Speaker 3: in the end of Cam Hayward's career.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a couple of things I want to
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Speaker 1: address that you said there. First of all, you talked
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Speaker 1: about not needing another grown man to get you motivated
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Speaker 1: or anything like that, and that's true. And the thing
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Speaker 1: that that's part of what makes me so mad about
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Speaker 1: this is these guys are literally playing football for a
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Speaker 1: living and they need to be motivated and fired up.
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Speaker 1: They're playing a Sunday night football game in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: Granted they're not wearing the usual black and gold, they're
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Speaker 1: wearing the ugly black and gold. But regardless, you get
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Speaker 1: to be a National Football League player, I don't I
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Speaker 1: just don't get it. If you don't need, if you
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Speaker 1: Eric don't need to be motivated to go to your
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Speaker 1: job as an accountant, then there's no way in hell
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Speaker 1: that any of these guys being Pittsburgh Steelers should need
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Speaker 1: to have any sort of extra oomph or extra motivation.
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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to say that that's the part
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Speaker 1: that really pisses me off. But with the deal with
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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, the thing that I would give him a
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Speaker 1: pass on, and this is not something that I'm saying
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Speaker 1: we need to give him a pass on now, this
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Speaker 1: would be he'd have to write a tell all books
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Speaker 1: someday down the line. I would love to know how
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Speaker 1: much he gets handcuffed by the ownership or how much
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Speaker 1: of this is him doing what he wants to do
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Speaker 1: and the ownership being hands off, if that makes sense. Basically,
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Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know who's more
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Speaker 1: to blame here, and it could very well be both
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Speaker 1: Tomlin and the ownership.
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Speaker 4: But you know.
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Speaker 1: A good example would be the Bengals, who we all
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Speaker 1: know very well. They've got really bad owners. They've got
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Speaker 1: Mike Brown controlling the purse strings too tightly, not doing anything.
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Speaker 1: There's been rumors for a while now that the Rooneys
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Speaker 1: are kind of like that as well. That's why the
17:11
Speaker 1: Steelers have the smallest coaching staff. They don't want to
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Speaker 1: spend the money on it. That's why it took so
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Speaker 1: long to fire Canada, because they really don't like the
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Speaker 1: fire coordinators mid season, let alone in the middle of
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Speaker 1: their contracts. So I will say he does bear a
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Speaker 1: lot of responsibility for sure. Like you said, he's most
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Speaker 1: likely the one who picked these coordinators. But if it
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Speaker 1: ever comes out someday down the road, and trust me,
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Speaker 1: I would read that tell All book in a heartbeat.
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Speaker 1: I'd buy it in a second if it came out that,
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Speaker 1: that would be one reason I would give him the pass.
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Speaker 1: On that. That being said, the fact that we even
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Speaker 1: have to have the discussion is indicative of larger problems though,
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Speaker 1: regardless of who's to blame. So I will say, once again,
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers had a very good game. He was twenty
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Speaker 1: four of thirty six two touchdowns again got them in
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Speaker 1: position to make more plays to get more scores. Some
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Speaker 1: of those just didn't come through, and of course wouldn't
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Speaker 1: would not dream of failing to mention Chris Boswell, who
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Speaker 1: once again just despite the bad field conditions, just dominated
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Speaker 1: this game. He had like what five field goals was it?
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Speaker 1: He was amazing as usual. And the other thing too.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry he had four field goals, but his longest
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Speaker 1: was fifty six. And I'll also point out that the
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Speaker 1: Packers kicker McManus missed two, so this game could have
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Speaker 1: been a little more out of reach for the Steelers.
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Speaker 1: One of them was one of the missed field goals
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Speaker 1: was right before halftime, and again very similar to the
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati game. The Steelers score give the other team a
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Speaker 1: little bit of time, and somehow the defense just let
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Speaker 1: some waltz right down the field. We got very lucky there.
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Speaker 1: There was also a stupid penalty on TJ. Watt He
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Speaker 1: was putting his hand in the lineman's face. And then
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Speaker 1: the other thing that was a little frustrating was a
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Speaker 1: couple of the unsportsmanlike conduct calls we got, so some
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Speaker 1: lack of discipline there. Her Big got one on the
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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, which obviously gave the team
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Speaker 1: an automatic first down. And then when the Steelers were
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Speaker 1: driving at the end of the game, dk Metcalf got
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Speaker 1: a unsportsmanlike conduct after a call on a play that
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Speaker 1: was third and two, so that pushed it to third
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Speaker 1: and seventeen, which they did not convert. So one thing
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Speaker 1: we know the coach can control is discipline. We've talked
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Speaker 1: about Tomlin for a long time and how on one
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Speaker 1: hand he managed personalities like George Pickens and Antonio Brown
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Speaker 1: and we probably only saw a fraction of the crazy
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Speaker 1: that actually happened. But by the same time, excuse me,
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Speaker 1: at the same we still can't be having those kind
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Speaker 1: of penalties in those situations. I just another thing I'll
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Speaker 1: never understand is not having the mental wherewithal to know
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Speaker 1: or to keep an eye on the bigger picture, right, Like, Hey,
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Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't take a swing at this guy because
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Speaker 1: it's third and two and I'm on national TV with
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Speaker 1: a million cameras on me and everyone in the stadium
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Speaker 1: watching me. I don't think I can get away with
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Speaker 1: this punch. Now I'm gonna f my team over. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: just bad all around, especially in the second half. But again,
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Speaker 1: do have to give him a shot to Rogers and
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Speaker 1: to Chris Boswell, and you know, Jealen Warren had another
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Speaker 1: solid game. I think they could have given him the
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Speaker 1: ball more had the had the game not gone the
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Speaker 1: way it had in the second half. But it is
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Speaker 1: what it is. So anything else do you want to
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Speaker 1: say about the Packers game?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I didn't think so, all right. So the interesting thing
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Speaker 1: is the Steelers are going to play the Colts now,
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Speaker 1: the seven and one Indianapolis Colts led by Daniel Jones.
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Speaker 1: This was a game out of Yeah, I think you'd
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Speaker 1: agree with me. This was a game that when we
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Speaker 1: were doing our week week by week predictions that we
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Speaker 1: we thought this was going to be an easy win
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Speaker 1: for the Steelers. Not anymore. The Colts are pretty good
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Speaker 1: right now and the Steelers are in their free for all.
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Speaker 1: So look this, I'm gonna go out and say it.
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Speaker 1: I know the Steelers are still in first place, but
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Speaker 1: I think that this game is gonna be pretty indicative
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Speaker 1: of how the rest of the season can go. If
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Speaker 1: we see a similar performance this week to the one
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Speaker 1: we have seen the last couple then nothing, I mean,
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Speaker 1: nothing's gonna change. Why would it now?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: I really just think that the defense just it's crazy
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Speaker 1: to me how this has been reversed over the years.
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Speaker 1: The defense just has to be average, Like, don't give
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Speaker 1: up thirty plus points, and we've got a good chance
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Speaker 1: of winning this one, right Look, offensively, I hate to
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Speaker 1: say it, but they're just gonna have to They're gonna
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Speaker 1: have to put the team on their back. So I'll
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Speaker 1: let you go here looking ahead at this matchup Sunday
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Speaker 1: at one o'clock, what are some of the keys for
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Speaker 1: the Steelers to get a victory?
23:00
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's not like.
23:04
Speaker 3: The worst defense in the league right now is going
23:07
Speaker 3: up against the best offense in the league. So matchup
23:10
Speaker 3: wise looks good. Pretty encouraged about that, really.
23:17
Speaker 2: I mean the culture roller.
23:19
Speaker 3: They have been, you know, I think a lot of
23:24
Speaker 3: people were waiting for.
23:25
Speaker 2: Them to kind of like fall to Earth, didn't believe.
23:29
Speaker 3: And Daniel Jones, I feel like this is pretty much
23:34
Speaker 3: a repeat for him of was it twenty three or
23:38
Speaker 3: twenty two when Saquon had an amazing year?
23:45
Speaker 2: JT is having a great year right now, and so
23:50
Speaker 2: I think that.
23:52
Speaker 3: They're gonna ride the running game. And yeah, I mean
23:59
Speaker 3: luckily for us. They're Yeah, their best player is a
24:02
Speaker 3: running back, is a very talented running back. They can
24:06
Speaker 3: take it out of the ow. The backfield is a
24:10
Speaker 3: you know, wide receiver. But yeah, I mean in terms
24:15
Speaker 3: of what happens.
24:17
Speaker 2: I mean, sir, I don't know. There's I just don't
24:22
Speaker 2: see any way we win this game.
24:26
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. Jonathan Taylor is probably the best
24:33
Speaker 1: running back that they've played in the last couple of weeks.
24:36
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think it's certainly not Brown on the Bengals.
24:40
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs is a pretty good running back, but Jonathan
24:43
Speaker 1: Taylor's on another level compared to those guys. I just
24:51
Speaker 1: what's gonna change on defense? Right, That's that's really all
24:54
Speaker 1: it comes down to. I think offensively, I'm sure will
24:58
Speaker 1: be more or less the same. Maybe we'll see a
25:02
Speaker 1: few more turnovers from the from Rogers, just because he
25:05
Speaker 1: has to do more. But look, the Steelers are playing
25:10
Speaker 1: at home. It's a an afternoon game. We know that
25:15
Speaker 1: apparently we don't play well in the middle of the
25:20
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, or in the middle
25:22
Speaker 1: of the week. And look between right Sundays at one
25:30
Speaker 1: we need to make maybe we should be on Big
25:32
Speaker 1: noon kickoff on Saturdays for Fox. Uh, we'll fill in
25:37
Speaker 1: for Iowa one game. Look, there's not much to say here.
25:45
Speaker 1: If the defense continues to play the way they have
25:48
Speaker 1: and makes no improvements and no adjustments, it's not gonna happen.
25:53
Speaker 1: They're not gonna win, and it might not be as
25:55
Speaker 1: close as these last two games have been. If the
25:58
Speaker 1: defense does come to play, And again, I'm not asking
26:02
Speaker 1: them to be the best defense in the league, although
26:05
Speaker 1: again for what we pay them, they absolutely should be.
26:10
Speaker 1: You just got to be average, the occasional stop, the
26:15
Speaker 1: occasional turnover, occasionally getting to the quarterback and sacking him.
26:21
Speaker 1: That's all I'm asking for. Not every play. That'd be stupid.
26:25
Speaker 1: But if they can do that, they can get a win. However,
26:31
Speaker 1: I just.
26:33
Speaker 3: Like a quarterback under three hundred passing yards.
26:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, don't get crazy now, under three point fifty
26:44
Speaker 1: right now. But you're not wrong though, Like we're haven't.
26:48
Speaker 1: We gave up almost a thousand yards in two games.
26:51
Speaker 1: Like the hell are we doing? Deshaun Elliott? Right? But
27:00
Speaker 1: you and me will do go out there for the
27:02
Speaker 1: league minimum. Frankly, I mean we can do just as
27:06
Speaker 1: well as the team's doing right now, right.
27:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went against Kyle Ruda. If I got a
27:12
Speaker 3: pro experience.
27:13
Speaker 1: And you won't have to get us fired up, we'll
27:16
Speaker 1: do that on our own.
27:20
Speaker 3: Oh my lord.
27:21
Speaker 1: Now anyway, look, I said it before. I'm just not
27:24
Speaker 1: optimistic that this is gonna go well. I don't think
27:27
Speaker 1: changes are gonna happen. I don't think you should. I'll
27:31
Speaker 1: give every team one bad loss. I don't think it
27:36
Speaker 1: should take more than that. I think you should get
27:38
Speaker 1: in the film room and say, oh, I see what
27:40
Speaker 1: we did wrong, let's fix that and go from there.
27:44
Speaker 1: I just I'm not confident at all. I'm gonna give
27:48
Speaker 1: let's not waste any time here. I'm gonna give the
27:50
Speaker 1: Colts to win. I'm gonna give them a thirty five
27:53
Speaker 1: to twenty seven win. Would you give us twenty seven?
28:03
Speaker 3: Okay, you're keeping it kind of close. I feel like
28:10
Speaker 3: the bottom has not we have not hit.
28:14
Speaker 2: Rock.
28:18
Speaker 3: I think that the Colts can definitely help us find
28:20
Speaker 3: that rock, because they're not gonna feel simp before us.
28:25
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think we finally eclipse forty by giving up.
28:34
Speaker 2: Forty two and we score. Let's give Boz three field goals.
28:45
Speaker 3: Twenty three points, so nineteen point loss.
28:52
Speaker 1: Geez, you're really grown at it.
28:56
Speaker 3: I was thinking even worse, but that tapered little bit
29:01
Speaker 3: I did.
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Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if we get smoked by.
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Speaker 1: Twenty All right, Well, there you have it. We're both
29:14
Speaker 1: on the pessimist bandwagon here, so hopefully we're wrong. The
29:19
Speaker 1: thing that we alluded to earlier, though, is that the
29:21
Speaker 1: Steelers did make a trade right before we started recording
29:25
Speaker 1: with Deshaun Elliott being hurt. They traded for Kyle Dugger
29:29
Speaker 1: out of New England. Kind Of interesting to me, but
29:32
Speaker 1: I guess he hasn't been playing as much this year,
29:34
Speaker 1: just with New England on a bit of a role
29:37
Speaker 1: right now. And I guess, well, I was gonna say,
29:42
Speaker 1: because they fired their coach and got a new one,
29:45
Speaker 1: and they've actually done that twice in the past two years.
29:50
Speaker 1: They Anyway, the Steelers get Kyle Dugger and a seventh
29:55
Speaker 1: round pick for a sixth rounder. Kind of in interesting.
30:00
Speaker 1: That's the second Patriots safety they've taken this year.
30:05
Speaker 2: First one's working out.
30:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So I guess that's all I have to
30:11
Speaker 1: say about that, is that they need safety help. They
30:14
Speaker 1: brought him in kind of wish they had a safety
30:19
Speaker 1: from last year by the name of Minca Fitzpatrick still
30:21
Speaker 1: on the roster, but you never he had his own problems.
30:24
Speaker 1: So just kind of interesting how things come full circle
30:28
Speaker 1: like that.
30:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's no guarantee that Minco would have
30:35
Speaker 3: continued on and right made this team better. But because
30:43
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we we already have. It wasn't like
30:51
Speaker 3: we traded him for spare parts. We got cornerback that was.
30:57
Speaker 2: It looked good at first, but I don't know.
31:03
Speaker 3: His name has been called a few times this past
31:05
Speaker 3: few weeks, and not for.
31:07
Speaker 2: The good kind.
31:08
Speaker 1: Right, Well, there you have it for a fun topic.
31:15
Speaker 1: We were discussing the college coaching carousel, and I thought
31:21
Speaker 1: it might just be kind of fun to take a
31:23
Speaker 1: break from the NFL, even though we may wish that
31:27
Speaker 1: we were a part of the coaching carousel at sometimes
31:30
Speaker 1: and just kind of talk about what's going on in college.
31:33
Speaker 1: So I'm going to pull up a list of the
31:36
Speaker 1: current openings because frankly it's gotten quite long and we
31:47
Speaker 1: can kind of talk through our thoughts on that. Do
31:55
Speaker 1: Let's see here, we have the current jobs open right
32:03
Speaker 1: now from the Power for we have Stanford, UCLA, Virginia Tech,
32:11
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Penn State, Florida, and as of this
32:15
Speaker 1: past Sunday as well, LSU outside of the Power for
32:23
Speaker 1: Oregon State is open, as is UAB. So it's really
32:30
Speaker 1: interesting to me. And I was thinking about this as
32:33
Speaker 1: we saw the Brian Kelly news and I don't know
32:37
Speaker 1: if you think the same way I do or not.
32:39
Speaker 1: I understand that certain programs have, you know, certain expectations.
32:43
Speaker 1: They've got their pride, they think they should be winning
32:46
Speaker 1: ten games a year minimum. But I'm looking at all
32:50
Speaker 1: these openings and I'm like, these programs all do understand
32:54
Speaker 1: that not everyone can win ten games every year, right,
33:00
Speaker 1: So it was just kind of interesting to me. And
33:03
Speaker 1: I was looking at the numbers because we're at like
33:06
Speaker 1: a ridiculously high amount of buyout dollars at this point.
33:12
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't we have to like level set here soon?
33:16
Speaker 1: Because we can't. I just can't imagine that these universities
33:20
Speaker 1: can keep doing this every three to four years, just
33:22
Speaker 1: throwing another twenty thirty, forty to fifty million at these coaches.
33:26
Speaker 1: But what do I know. If you've got those boosters,
33:30
Speaker 1: sometimes you can do whatever you need to do.
33:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, like, is it solely donor dollars
33:40
Speaker 3: that just like leads to that because Okay, so for example,
33:45
Speaker 3: I forget it s Franklin or Kelly.
33:48
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it's gotta be both.
33:51
Speaker 3: Between their buyouts are about fifty million each. Yeah, and
33:55
Speaker 3: by the time that you pay out the assistant coaches.
33:58
Speaker 2: And stuff like that, I mean you could at least
34:01
Speaker 2: add fifty that maybe one.
34:07
Speaker 3: So because you normally just clean house and so one
34:13
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars at two schools. Yeah, yeah, I.
34:20
Speaker 2: And let's let's not beat around the bush.
34:23
Speaker 3: Those are two coaches that are going to find jobs
34:27
Speaker 3: and not at UAB or the other school you mentioned.
34:33
Speaker 2: They will find good jobs.
34:35
Speaker 3: So it's really interesting just to kind of see, like
34:43
Speaker 3: I was telling my friend Greg because Brian Kelly is
34:48
Speaker 3: are Alma Maters previous, previous, previous, previous coach, but we
34:57
Speaker 3: were talking about how like, okay, so what who is
35:03
Speaker 3: else you gonna get that's better than Brian Kelly. I'm
35:06
Speaker 3: not saying Brian Kelly is the best coach of all time,
35:10
Speaker 3: but like with these coaches, it's like I feel like
35:14
Speaker 3: they always kind of like, oh, get rid of them,
35:17
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. It's like, well, are you gonna get
35:22
Speaker 3: like you think you think this person's way better.
35:26
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I just I'm just confused.
35:32
Speaker 1: Why, like.
35:34
Speaker 2: People feel like.
35:38
Speaker 3: They have greener pastures out there, like Florida, they.
35:45
Speaker 2: Find Dan Mullen and now they just fired them. There's
35:48
Speaker 2: his successor.
35:50
Speaker 1: Nebraska is I think the classic of that though, firing
35:55
Speaker 1: Bo Polini and then spending what has been fifteen years
36:01
Speaker 1: now in kind of the wilderness and now they might
36:05
Speaker 1: be coming out of it. Might be. It's always interesting
36:11
Speaker 1: drawing the correlation though to what we're seeing in college
36:13
Speaker 1: to what we go through as Steelers fans and what
36:15
Speaker 1: we see in the NFL. The Tomlin Talk, for example,
36:21
Speaker 1: and I mentioned it a little bit before we start recording.
36:24
Speaker 1: Do I want us to be like some of these
36:26
Speaker 1: college programs or like the Cleveland Browns where we're firing
36:30
Speaker 1: a coach every year or two for not meeting what
36:34
Speaker 1: we think are just crazy expectations. No, I don't want that,
36:38
Speaker 1: but I do want some sort of middle ground. And
36:44
Speaker 1: I mentioned Mike Rabel because if I mean, he was
36:48
Speaker 1: on the market before last year and look what he's done.
36:52
Speaker 1: In one year with the Patriots. So anyway, I won't
36:56
Speaker 1: beat that dead book, that dead horse. But yeah, look
37:00
Speaker 1: at the Power for or the the open college jobs.
37:03
Speaker 1: It's just such an interesting time in college football. Actually,
37:08
Speaker 1: the two non Power four jobs to me or the
37:11
Speaker 1: most interesting because at UAB Trent Dilfer was the coach
37:14
Speaker 1: and he was fired and at Oregon State. The last
37:18
Speaker 1: I read was that coach Oh at Orgeron is the
37:21
Speaker 1: favorite to get that job, and he is always entertaining.
37:27
Speaker 3: I think got like he hasn't been kicked around more.
37:33
Speaker 3: I mean because he was a guy that like he
37:36
Speaker 3: won the national title, he had one bad year and
37:40
Speaker 3: then they fired.
37:42
Speaker 1: Well right, we're here we are again though, right, Yeah,
37:46
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Also interesting too because coach Oh
37:52
Speaker 1: is like Louisiana, right, not just LSU Louis Yeah, Brian
38:02
Speaker 1: Kelly is so not with his fake accent and just
38:07
Speaker 1: he's from the Northeast. Like they went in a totally
38:11
Speaker 1: opposite direction and they got the same result.
38:15
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you'd you'd appreciate this.
38:19
Speaker 3: I called I called him a Cajun dad. That's what
38:24
Speaker 3: I think of Ozon. He's just a kind of like
38:27
Speaker 3: occasun dad just guy walking around. He's like your your
38:32
Speaker 3: your buddy's dad. Just I heard he used to like
38:35
Speaker 3: just run around l s U, like shirtless, hanging out
38:40
Speaker 3: like the speeds and stuff. And yeah, he just is
38:44
Speaker 3: the guy that he could be on swamp people you know,
38:48
Speaker 3: and you you wouldn't think anything of it.
38:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. So I'm so I'm looking at
38:54
Speaker 1: this list, and the the biggest three opening are Penn State, Florida,
39:01
Speaker 1: and LSU in no particular order. But even after that, Stanford, UCLA,
39:11
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, Oklahoma State, and Arkansas. Those are all I mean,
39:16
Speaker 1: they're powerful for but those are all big schools, right
39:22
Speaker 1: And what you mentioned before, like when you fire Brian Kelly,
39:24
Speaker 1: who you're gonna replace him with? Same thing with James
39:27
Speaker 1: Franklin at Penn State, Like who are you gonna get
39:34
Speaker 1: that you think is gonna take you to that next
39:36
Speaker 1: level one? There's a lot of openings right now. So
39:42
Speaker 1: if you don't get your number one guy, like, I
39:44
Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing. You maybe should have sat
39:46
Speaker 1: this one out and waited for next year, but I
39:51
Speaker 1: just I just don't because.
39:53
Speaker 3: There's people that are like they just assume that Lane
39:57
Speaker 3: Kiffen's gonna.
39:58
Speaker 2: Leave a little bit of switch.
40:00
Speaker 3: Look, if you're any team in the SEC and you're good,
40:05
Speaker 3: then you're gonna go to the College ful Of Playoff
40:09
Speaker 3: and you can win a title.
40:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:11
Speaker 3: Right now, he's got a top ten team and probably
40:17
Speaker 3: really good chance to make the College foul Of Playoff.
40:20
Speaker 3: Why would he go to Florida where they've had such
40:23
Speaker 3: a hard time, or why would he go to LSU
40:26
Speaker 3: where if you don't win a national championship by year
40:30
Speaker 3: four you're fired?
40:31
Speaker 1: The only thing I can think of because I don't
40:34
Speaker 1: think money's going to be an issue. Like, yes, I
40:36
Speaker 1: get the LSU probably if they wanted to, could pay
40:39
Speaker 1: a lot more than whatever ole Miss could. But it's
40:43
Speaker 1: not like he's getting paid chump change at ole Miss.
40:45
Speaker 1: And I'm sure ole Miss is gonna give him a
40:47
Speaker 1: raise as soon as they can too.
40:49
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just like I you can.
40:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, It's just I think it would come down
40:56
Speaker 1: to ego. That's the only any of it. Yeah, for sure,
41:02
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I can I can think of there.
41:06
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm with you if I'm if I'm Lane Kiffin.
41:08
Speaker 1: And again, I've never had someone put the check in
41:10
Speaker 1: front of me. So this is I maybe I would
41:15
Speaker 1: be different in that situation, but I'd be like seeing
41:19
Speaker 1: what both of those programs did to their coaches, and
41:22
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I can stay here and still make
41:25
Speaker 1: even more money and have pretty much guaranteed job security
41:31
Speaker 1: and be a hero, or I can go there and
41:34
Speaker 1: be under the microscope. I don't I don't know.
41:38
Speaker 3: I would stay are Alma matern Right.
41:42
Speaker 2: So Luke Fickle went to the college football Playoff, Yes.
41:48
Speaker 3: Decided to, and we were joining a bigger conference than
41:53
Speaker 3: when we were in.
41:54
Speaker 2: Went to the college bubble playoff. He decided to join
41:59
Speaker 2: with consin.
42:01
Speaker 4: Arguably the seventh best program in the Big tenth, so
42:08
Speaker 4: almost half fifty, just above average.
42:13
Speaker 2: He's about to be a fire. He would be fired
42:17
Speaker 2: like lasted three years he has stated. You see, we'd
42:22
Speaker 2: build a statue.
42:23
Speaker 1: For the only thing that I have heard against Fickle
42:28
Speaker 1: is some people think that he lucked into having Desmond
42:32
Speaker 1: Ritter because he was actually recruited by Tubberville and he
42:35
Speaker 1: just never transferred when Tubberville got canned. Uh. And the
42:40
Speaker 1: fact that.
42:41
Speaker 3: Because he recruited Sauce, he recruited I.
42:45
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I'm just telling you.
42:48
Speaker 2: Uh.
42:48
Speaker 1: They'll also point to having Marcus Freeman on his staff,
42:51
Speaker 1: which obviously is nice, but I don't think Freeman was
42:54
Speaker 1: responsible for all of the success, particularly because Freeman wasn't
42:58
Speaker 1: there the year they went to the playoff. He was
42:59
Speaker 1: actually at Notre Dame as their defensive coordinator. The thing
43:05
Speaker 1: with Fickle, too, is he went to Wisconsin. I don't
43:08
Speaker 1: remember if it was known at the time or not
43:10
Speaker 1: that the Big Ten was going to do away with divisions,
43:15
Speaker 1: But the sad fact of the matter is Wisconsin was
43:20
Speaker 1: the number one or the number two program in a
43:23
Speaker 1: really bad division in the Big Ten. So that's why
43:27
Speaker 1: they went to the championship at almost every year. So
43:31
Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe he thought that he would
43:33
Speaker 1: have that path and if he could just occasionally sneak
43:36
Speaker 1: one away in the Big Ten championship. I don't know,
43:39
Speaker 1: but now I agree with you if he The timing
43:43
Speaker 1: of that and the fact that it was Wisconsin confused me.
43:47
Speaker 1: If it had been Ohio State, I get it. If
43:49
Speaker 1: it had been Notre Dame, which supposedly they were interested
43:52
Speaker 1: in him. The year that they did go to the playoff,
43:56
Speaker 1: after Kelly left but he wouldn't leave for the playoffs
44:01
Speaker 1: were over, you know, at point being I get going
44:05
Speaker 1: to a school like that, right, Yeah, I did not
44:10
Speaker 1: understand leaving for since are leaving Cincinnati four Wisconsin. I
44:15
Speaker 1: get that it's a bigger payday, But at the same time,
44:18
Speaker 1: your agent could probably turn that around into a raise
44:23
Speaker 1: for you at your current institution too. That's one of
44:25
Speaker 1: the other things we see a lot of too, is
44:27
Speaker 1: agents leaking their their client's name is a leading candidate,
44:32
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, all these coaches are
44:34
Speaker 1: getting raises and it turns out they've got the same
44:36
Speaker 1: like two or three agents, so they're all in on
44:38
Speaker 1: it together.
44:40
Speaker 2: Before we go ahead, I was gonna ask, so what
44:45
Speaker 2: coach do you think most deserved it? Which coach do
44:53
Speaker 2: you think into.
44:54
Speaker 4: The stick, and what do you think is the best job,
44:58
Speaker 4: the job that you would take.
45:00
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, I'm gonna go keeping it with the power
45:07
Speaker 1: for Yeah, there's a couple good candidates that I think
45:12
Speaker 1: really deserved it, but I am I am actually gonna
45:15
Speaker 1: go with Florida. I don't know the exact numbers, but
45:20
Speaker 1: my understanding of Florida is if you look at the
45:23
Speaker 1: talent composition, they should have one of the most talented
45:26
Speaker 1: rosters in the country. I get that they're playing a
45:29
Speaker 1: very difficult schedule, but some of the games they're losing
45:32
Speaker 1: and how they're losing them are not good. And that's
45:35
Speaker 1: that's happened a few years now. Last year in APIs interesting.
45:39
Speaker 2: He lost or he won a game and then they fired.
45:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was Mississippi State, So what you gonna do?
45:48
Speaker 1: So that being said, I think I'd have to go
45:50
Speaker 1: with Florida, although looking at Virginia, not Virginia Tech, Oklahoma State,
45:58
Speaker 1: I think the writing was on the wall for a
46:01
Speaker 1: Gundhy for a few years now, but this year their
46:04
Speaker 1: wheels really fell off. All Right, you said, what's the
46:10
Speaker 1: best job available or what's the one I would take?
46:13
Speaker 1: There was two there was two more questions.
46:15
Speaker 2: Who got the stick?
46:18
Speaker 5: Oh raw? And um I think I might.
46:35
Speaker 1: Actually go with Brian Kelly And I don't know, I don't.
46:40
Speaker 1: I don't feel good saying that, but like I get
46:43
Speaker 1: that they were five and three, but who were their losses?
46:48
Speaker 1: To Vanderbilt was the one that broke the straw that
46:52
Speaker 1: broke the camel's back. But they're a top ten team.
46:58
Speaker 1: L SU Tigers. I think the other one was ole Miss,
47:00
Speaker 1: who is another top ten team.
47:04
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, thirteen maybe Georgia.
47:08
Speaker 1: No, okay, So these are their three losses, and these
47:10
Speaker 1: are the rankings of the team. So I was off
47:12
Speaker 1: by a little bit. Ole Miss is was their first
47:15
Speaker 1: loss by five points, and they are ranked number thirteen
47:20
Speaker 1: right now. They lost to Vanderbilt, who is ranked seventeen
47:25
Speaker 1: right now. I'm sorry, they're seventeen right now, are they?
47:29
Speaker 2: That was when they beat them?
47:31
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, so Vanderbilt is in the top ten. Now,
47:35
Speaker 1: that's what I Okay, that's what I thought. So, yeah,
47:38
Speaker 1: their losses are all to top ten teams then, because
47:40
Speaker 1: they're all Miss by five, Vanderbilt at Vanderbilt, I'm sorry,
47:47
Speaker 1: not yeah at Okay, So there was at Ole Miss
47:51
Speaker 1: by five, at Vanderbilt by seven, and then yes, they
47:55
Speaker 1: lost to Texas A and M at home badly, but
47:58
Speaker 1: that is the number three ranked team in the country
48:02
Speaker 1: right now. Like, I get it, you have high expectations.
48:08
Speaker 1: You wanted the guy to come in and win championships
48:11
Speaker 1: right away, But can we have like some sense of
48:16
Speaker 1: like humility here for at least a little bit? It
48:20
Speaker 1: just I was a little on the fence before I
48:24
Speaker 1: said that, But now I'm looking at it and I'm like, yeah, okay,
48:26
Speaker 1: I almost said frank James Franklin, but he did lose
48:29
Speaker 1: to UCLA and Northwestern. Brian Kelly went out there and
48:35
Speaker 1: lost to three top ten teams, two of which were
48:37
Speaker 1: by one score. So on the road, all right, which
48:42
Speaker 1: job would I take? Was your third question. I think
48:49
Speaker 1: that of the ones that are available, I would probably
48:57
Speaker 1: take Florida. I get that they're in the SEC and
49:00
Speaker 1: it's tough. We we talked about this a little bit
49:03
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago on different topics. You're in Florida.
49:07
Speaker 1: You just have to just recruit your tri state area,
49:11
Speaker 1: the state of Florida, the state of Georgia, and then
49:16
Speaker 1: the other one Alabama, but primary primarily though Florida and Georgia,
49:23
Speaker 1: and then you've got you know, you've got the footprint
49:28
Speaker 1: in in Louisiana and into Texas with the SEC. Yeah,
49:33
Speaker 1: if you just recruit your own team and you develop
49:35
Speaker 1: them and you have the right coordinators, I think there's
49:38
Speaker 1: enough talent in there that you can be routinely successful there.
49:43
Speaker 1: So I don't honestly, I don't know enough about Billy
49:46
Speaker 1: Napier in Florida. If I recall correctly, he's more he's
49:53
Speaker 1: been an offensive coordinator, so he calls the plays himself.
49:57
Speaker 1: I think when you're a college football coach, there's so
50:00
Speaker 1: much shit going on that you really do have to
50:03
Speaker 1: be a CEO and you've got to get You've got
50:05
Speaker 1: to have guys that you can delegate to. So that
50:09
Speaker 1: would be my approaches. I'm gonna come in, I'm gonna
50:12
Speaker 1: be the CEO. I'm gonna get coordinators who know what
50:15
Speaker 1: they're doing. I'm gonna be hands off. Maybe I'll walk
50:17
Speaker 1: over and say, hey, maybe try running it next time,
50:20
Speaker 1: or something like that. But I think that if you
50:23
Speaker 1: follow that simple formula, you can probably be successful there.
50:28
Speaker 1: If I wanted really good job security, I would probably
50:31
Speaker 1: take the Stanford job because it takes them a while
50:35
Speaker 1: to fire anybody, and then I can get my kids,
50:39
Speaker 1: and then my kids can go to Stanford for free.
50:42
Speaker 3: Yeah all right.
50:45
Speaker 1: So let me hear it from you. Then you got shure.
50:51
Speaker 1: I remember you forgetting that first question you had who
50:55
Speaker 1: got the shaft? Which job would you take? And what's
50:58
Speaker 1: the first one again?
50:59
Speaker 2: Who was who?
51:00
Speaker 1: Who deserved it? So let's start with who deserves it?
51:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, who deserved it? Yeah, I feel like.
51:12
Speaker 3: I definitely don't think.
51:15
Speaker 2: I don't want to say I'm gonna go Gundy.
51:20
Speaker 3: Gundy's been there forever and yeh like I know that,
51:25
Speaker 3: like they've had some good years, but it feels like, honestly,
51:28
Speaker 3: like pulling it back to our topic of the Steelers,
51:32
Speaker 3: feels like like.
51:34
Speaker 2: Kind of like Tomlin, like good have some peaks, but you.
51:40
Speaker 3: Know, you definitely have some valleys in there, and at
51:44
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I feel like he was
51:46
Speaker 3: just kind.
51:46
Speaker 2: Of like a seven and five on average.
51:51
Speaker 3: Type of coach and when it you know, I feel
51:55
Speaker 3: like the last two years.
51:56
Speaker 2: Got even worse.
51:57
Speaker 3: So yeah, I definitely think he was the one that
52:01
Speaker 3: deserved it the most, which I would honestly be surprised
52:07
Speaker 3: if he got a bigger job, like a Big four job, right,
52:15
Speaker 3: and then who got the chat? Yeah, I agree, So I.
52:20
Speaker 2: Think that I would go with Brian Kelly. What I
52:23
Speaker 2: would add on James Franklin.
52:27
Speaker 3: Dude went to the college football playoff last year and
52:30
Speaker 3: won two games in the tournament.
52:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't count, I know, but like.
52:38
Speaker 3: I understand, you know, this year he lost a really
52:44
Speaker 3: good game against Oregon and then things just kind of
52:48
Speaker 3: fell apart. But like it felt that one felt more
52:51
Speaker 3: impulsive where I feel like I've heard the grumblings about Kelly, yeah, because.
53:00
Speaker 2: Of like culture fit, like you said, like people.
53:04
Speaker 3: Just never really bought into him, so you know, which
53:09
Speaker 3: would make it hard to like recruit kids from the
53:13
Speaker 3: South too, right.
53:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I think.
53:21
Speaker 3: That's who I think I'll go, Brian Kelly. But I
53:24
Speaker 3: really do sympathize with the Franklin even though he probably
53:29
Speaker 3: deserved it a little bit with that very atrocious record
53:32
Speaker 3: against top six teams. So and then the job that
53:38
Speaker 3: I would take, honestly, I would take Penn State. And
53:48
Speaker 3: the reason why is you were firmly the third best
53:53
Speaker 3: team in the big in the Big ten, Like I
53:58
Speaker 3: think it's Ohio State, Michigan without a doubt. And I
54:04
Speaker 3: think people could make a case for like a USC
54:08
Speaker 3: is like a top job, but it's not been like
54:13
Speaker 3: so consistently good, and so I think that like if
54:19
Speaker 3: you get a person that is in there and you
54:21
Speaker 3: have the resources of Penn State and you have that pipeline,
54:27
Speaker 3: I think they call it Happy Valley for a reason
54:30
Speaker 3: because you have the Midwest, like you get the midwest
54:35
Speaker 3: of Pennsylvania in Ohio and Michigan you could pull from.
54:41
Speaker 3: But you're also really close to the Northeast and you
54:44
Speaker 3: can get there's no real good teams in Northeast. In
54:48
Speaker 3: my opinion, you are the premier team in the Northeast.
54:51
Speaker 3: So I think you can get like the New York
54:54
Speaker 3: Boys stuff like that, and so, you know, I think
55:00
Speaker 3: that's the best job for me. And I think that
55:03
Speaker 3: they've shown, you know, they're pretty loyal to their coaches.
55:08
Speaker 3: They've had two coaches in the last fifty.
55:13
Speaker 2: Years three three Bill O'Brien. I forgot about Bill O'Brien.
55:19
Speaker 1: They could bring him back.
55:20
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's still pretty good. Hey, that's like the Steelers.
55:26
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, No, you're exactly right. It is kind of
55:31
Speaker 1: interesting to see how these coaches are going to end
55:34
Speaker 1: up because some of them could just be shuffled around.
55:36
Speaker 1: It's not like they're all going to be out of
55:38
Speaker 1: a job.
55:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.
55:40
Speaker 1: One thing that I think is interesting is I've heard
55:42
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly's name suggested for two specific locations, both of
55:48
Speaker 1: which have not yet fired their coaches. One was Michigan
55:53
Speaker 1: State and the other was North Carolina. So there's a
55:58
Speaker 1: good chance North Carolina could open up. We know what's
56:00
Speaker 1: going on down there, and the fact that Bill Belichick
56:03
Speaker 1: is one of the last ones still standing out of
56:05
Speaker 1: all these guys is shocking to me.
56:08
Speaker 2: But I can see Brian Kelly going to Michigan State.
56:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, was it a Grand Valley State? Was
56:17
Speaker 1: the D two school or something like that? I think
56:19
Speaker 1: is up there, and then obviously Central Michigan before he
56:22
Speaker 1: came to Cincinnati, so he obviously.
56:25
Speaker 2: Knows the area.
56:26
Speaker 1: He'd be good there. Separately, at North Carolina, I think
56:31
Speaker 1: he'd do find there. Having coached against the ACC for
56:35
Speaker 1: so long. With Notre Dame's scheduling agreement, I am interested
56:42
Speaker 1: to see where some of these guys end up. I
56:44
Speaker 1: agree I think Franklin that I personally wouldn't have pulled
56:49
Speaker 1: the trigger on Franklin, But again we talked about with
56:51
Speaker 1: Tom and I've got a longer fuse. I think you said,
56:55
Speaker 1: if our Alma Mater season turned out the way that
56:58
Speaker 1: we thought it was going to turn out, it started
57:02
Speaker 1: or before the season and we were going to be
57:04
Speaker 1: looking for a new coach, not that he would come
57:07
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. I think he'll have his sights set higher
57:09
Speaker 1: than that. I would have taken James Franklin in a heartbeat.
57:13
Speaker 1: Yeah I might.
57:15
Speaker 3: I mean, you think about it, though, you see, he's
57:19
Speaker 3: not a bad job because they have pretty good facilities.
57:26
Speaker 2: Coaches have.
57:28
Speaker 3: Other than Tuberville, every coach has gone on to a
57:32
Speaker 3: bigger job, right, So you go back to so Brian
57:39
Speaker 3: Kelly went on to Notre Dame, Butch Jones went to Tennessee,
57:45
Speaker 3: Fickle went on to Wisconsin.
57:50
Speaker 2: Am I missing one?
57:53
Speaker 1: Do you say D'Antonio.
57:55
Speaker 2: D'Antonio went to Michigan State? Thank you? So? I mean, yeah,
58:01
Speaker 2: so even if he just needed a.
58:04
Speaker 3: Nice cushy, I'm going to get back to it and
58:07
Speaker 3: guess what, you know, what perfect.
58:10
Speaker 2: Job for him? We never played anyone in the top six.
58:16
Speaker 1: That's one way to look at it. Until the playoffs,
58:18
Speaker 1: I guess, Oh my gosh. All right, well, I think
58:23
Speaker 1: on that note, we should probably wrap it up here.
58:26
Speaker 1: But no, that's a good fun topic. I like kind
58:28
Speaker 1: of dug digging into college stuff, and sometimes I really
58:32
Speaker 1: enjoyed the off season stuff. So the coaching carousel, seeing
58:36
Speaker 1: where things end up. I'm not really a big fan
58:38
Speaker 1: of people losing their jobs, but I just kind of
58:41
Speaker 1: like seeing how where things go and how things play out.
58:46
Speaker 1: So even Stanford could be interesting with who they hire
58:49
Speaker 1: because Andrew Luck's their GM I guess now, I don't
58:52
Speaker 1: think he's the AD, but you never know who they
58:55
Speaker 1: could get. I've heard Virginia Tech as a perfect fit
59:01
Speaker 1: for James Franklin. Again, similar geographic area to Penn State,
59:05
Speaker 1: so he knows how to recruit that that area. And
59:10
Speaker 1: then of course the big three in Penn State, Florida
59:12
Speaker 1: and LSU just going to be interesting to see what happens.
59:16
Speaker 1: And we like we mentioned, there's probably some other schools
59:20
Speaker 1: that are going to join that list too, so it
59:22
Speaker 1: could get kind of Harry for a little bit here.
59:25
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, well, I think that'll do it
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