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David Banner on Losing $12M for Black Activism, Depression, & Why Integration Was Worse Than Slavery · Earn Your Leisure

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  Speaker 3: All right, gosh, welcome back, Yeah, Eyl, this is going
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  Speaker 3: to be a special episode, man, friend of ours.
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  Speaker 2: David long overdue man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Before we even man, I want to tell you you
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  Speaker 2: guys how inspired I am by you all and how
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  Speaker 2: proud I am of you all and your business acumen,
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  Speaker 2: not just as thought leaders, but just as black people
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  Speaker 2: in the financial space. Man, I'm so proud of you
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  Speaker 2: all to be able to mobilize people the way that
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  Speaker 2: you all did, the way that you market, how you
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  Speaker 2: all put it.
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  Speaker 4: Together, and just just being all around, just trailblazers in
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  Speaker 4: that space man, because that was a space that was
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  Speaker 4: needed to be able to see a deficit and to
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  Speaker 4: be able to cover that man like I'm very.
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  Speaker 2: Very proud of you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate that man, Thank you, that man that
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  Speaker 3: means a lot, received a lot. And every time we
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  Speaker 3: see you, it's always been good energy. So you know, definitely,
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  Speaker 3: the feeling is mutual. Feeling is mutual. So, David, somebody
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  Speaker 3: that when most people heard of you, it was through music, right,
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  Speaker 3: But I've seen you transition in multiple different genres. So
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  Speaker 3: from a producer to a rapper, to an actor, to
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  Speaker 3: an activist on a certain level, to an entrepreneur to
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  Speaker 3: a variety of different things that you do. You're you're
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  Speaker 3: a renaissance man of sorts. So I want to start
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  Speaker 3: at the beginning. Mississippi. Right at that time, to my knowledge,
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  Speaker 3: there wasn't a major artist that rap artists that came
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  Speaker 3: out of Mississippi. Is that correct now? It was?
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  Speaker 2: It was some major artists. There was a group called
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  Speaker 2: Wildlife Society. I forgot the name of the record label.
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  Speaker 2: The record label almost popped really big. They had trying
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  Speaker 2: to think of a rapper. I know, y'all know his name,
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  Speaker 2: but they were they were signed to you know how
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  Speaker 2: Penalty back when I was on Penalty, when Nori was
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  Speaker 2: on Penalty. It was one of those labels, one of
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  Speaker 2: those subsidiary labels that was really really close to popping
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  Speaker 2: Life Penalty did.
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  Speaker 5: But there was a group called Wildlife Society that was.
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  Speaker 2: On I keep forgetting the name of the group that
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  Speaker 2: Hammer had. The Hammer MC Hammer had had a group
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  Speaker 2: that was out of Mississippi and they had a very,
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  Speaker 2: very big singer. There was the female rapper out of
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  Speaker 2: that group. Her name was Treasure. She actually ended up
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  Speaker 2: going solo and she saw some success too. So it's
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  Speaker 2: been you know, some groups that have been out. I
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  Speaker 2: think with me, it was just that I came at
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  Speaker 2: the right time. You know, SRC was just starting after
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  Speaker 2: Steve Rifkin, you know, it was coming off of his
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  Speaker 2: loud success, and I think it was just time spirit look,
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  Speaker 2: you know, me being prepared and ready for the moment,
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  Speaker 2: and it just all came together, bro, and it was
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 3: History, like a like a pimp. That's the song, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: were you on you on a little flip? Yes, that's
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  Speaker 3: that's the first time I said. It was like like
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  Speaker 3: a pimp and you had like a very big entry
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  Speaker 3: into the into the bad game. Right. So my question
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  Speaker 3: is coming from Mississippi where there wasn't a lot of trash,
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  Speaker 3: let's just say that, right, And it's not like Atlanta
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  Speaker 3: or New York or LA. But we always hear about
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  Speaker 3: like the southern hustle as far as like the stories
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  Speaker 3: of people selling music out of their trunks, of their
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  Speaker 3: CD stuff of that, like CDs out out the trunk
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  Speaker 3: at the car. Was that something that you you did
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  Speaker 3: from a grassroots level?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm going to tell you you are something
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  Speaker 2: just because you are who you are to me. So
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  Speaker 2: what happened was that nobody ever talks about is that
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  Speaker 2: we as independent artists because we don't talk to each
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  Speaker 2: other as black men. That's something that I like about
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  Speaker 2: our relationship. Bro. I've called you before when there was
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  Speaker 2: something that I didn't understand and was like, Bro, can
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  Speaker 2: you tell me what this means? Bro? How do I
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  Speaker 2: do this? Or I'm going into the tech industry? What
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  Speaker 2: would you suggest that I do. We've had that conversation
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  Speaker 2: both in person and on the phone. Right, we don't
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  Speaker 2: do that as artists, Bro, Like, what's happening was if
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  Speaker 2: you calculate the amount of money that independent are were making,
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  Speaker 2: especially in Texas and then the Bay Like, they were
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  Speaker 2: kicking the shit. Can I say shit?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, said shit.
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  Speaker 2: They was kicking the shit out of major labels. Bro.
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  Speaker 2: You got to think about like the South Park Mexicans. Bro,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta think broad.
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  Speaker 3: Thy, slim Thum and.
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  Speaker 2: Slim Thug little Flip. I think did eighty thousand or
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand or something like that, Bro,
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  Speaker 2: Think about what e forty and two short master p
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  Speaker 2: and all of them people. Now put all of them
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  Speaker 2: people together, bro, and think about the millions, and then
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  Speaker 2: you gotta think that's when you know we was getting
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  Speaker 2: ten ten dollars a record, Bro. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: And so what they ended up doing, Bro, is soaking
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  Speaker 2: up all of the independent artists, Bro and signing in
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  Speaker 2: the deals in a lot of cases, this is just
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, with not even the hopes of them being
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  Speaker 2: successful to move us out of the way of their
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  Speaker 2: major artists.
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  Speaker 4: Bro.
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  Speaker 5: And one of the only reasons.
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  Speaker 2: Why I didn't fail is because I produced my own music,
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  Speaker 2: I marketed my own music. I had enough good people
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  Speaker 2: around me to tell me, like, you know, and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of artists thought I was crazy because you know,
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  Speaker 2: University was still taking out of my budget to you know,
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  Speaker 2: get record promoters and radio promoters and video promoters. But
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  Speaker 2: I still out of my own money that I made.
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  Speaker 2: I had my own radio promoter. I had my own
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  Speaker 2: video promoter because I just knew. And I went to
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  Speaker 2: the president of Universal one time and he told me.
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  Speaker 2: He was like BANNERD, like, I know you a smart guy,
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  Speaker 2: and you're gonna figure this out, and he really gave
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  Speaker 2: me the game. So the thing was, it was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: why are you double spending your money because I know
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  Speaker 2: that them folks are not gonna do me right. They're
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  Speaker 2: not gonna at.
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  Speaker 3: Least they're not gonna do me like an independent artist,
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  Speaker 3: even though you salt.
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  Speaker 2: And every record that I didn't work myself failed. So
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  Speaker 2: what would usually happen is that if you even I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if people know this, but like I came
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  Speaker 2: into Universal with eight hundred spins on radio while I
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  Speaker 2: was sleeping in my van. I was homeless. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all knew the story about my
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  Speaker 2: red van. Like I built the studio in my van
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  Speaker 2: like RV. Yeah, no, no, no, it was just a
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  Speaker 2: regular work van, and I went in got a what
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  Speaker 2: do you call those the things that you put into
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  Speaker 2: the lighter, You put it into a lighter and then
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  Speaker 2: you plug whatever into transitions.
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  Speaker 1: It's like an extension called on in a sense, but
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  Speaker 1: it's like you're using the power from the light.
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  Speaker 2: So I literally if you go back and listen to Mississippi,
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  Speaker 2: the album that had like a Pimp on it, if
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  Speaker 2: you listen to the interludes, you can hear the people
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  Speaker 2: passing in the van. And one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: also made me popular is like if a DJ wanted
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  Speaker 2: to drop, I tell them to come to my van.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I could even do verses in my van.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I tell these.
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  Speaker 2: Kids, there's never no excuse. Like people in the South
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  Speaker 2: know this story. And I was sleeping in that van, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, so you you was homeless, Yes, so how'd you
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  Speaker 3: link up a little flip? He was already lit at
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  Speaker 3: that time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well what happened was is that What people don't
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  Speaker 2: know is that I produced the Holiday for Trick Daddy.
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  Speaker 2: So I never wanted to be a producer, but I
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  Speaker 2: come to find out a lot of people don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: People the person who I would never call him my stepfather,
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  Speaker 2: but the people who the person who people know as
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  Speaker 2: my father is actually not my biological father. He raised
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  Speaker 2: me from when I was three And come to find
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  Speaker 2: out that my biological father played thirteen instruments with the
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  Speaker 2: exception of you know, playing in the band or whatever
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  Speaker 2: in school.
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  Speaker 5: I've never been classically trained.
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  Speaker 2: And like Bro, I've co produced Quincy Jones before Maroon five,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Chris Brown, justin Bieber, like you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: executive co executive producer Jill Scott's album right now. So
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  Speaker 2: like Bro, like I did it all man, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And that's one thing that I want to tell people
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  Speaker 2: that I'm learning about being a businessman. And if you
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  Speaker 2: all don't listen to nothing else I say, Man, it's
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  Speaker 2: like you have to have an extraordinary team. And regardless
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  Speaker 2: of whether you all tried to do it or not,
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that is very special about you
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  Speaker 2: all is that y'all did it as a group. Y'all
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  Speaker 2: did it as a family. And that's the power of
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  Speaker 2: America is family. And that's the reason why they want
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  Speaker 2: us in these boxes on these computers. That's the reason
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  Speaker 2: why I really think COVID happened is that we won't
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  Speaker 2: congregate with each other. True information is not just verbal,
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  Speaker 2: it's also a vibe. It's also getting together. It's sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's envy. Sometimes it's competition. That's just being in the
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  Speaker 2: room competing with each other. Speaking to me and Little
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  Speaker 2: Flip Bro, people used to think that me and Little
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  Speaker 2: Flip was beefing because we were so competitive against each other.
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  Speaker 2: I remember Jim Jones was in the studio. That's one
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  Speaker 2: time when we was doing the song that's called it's
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  Speaker 2: called talk to Me Now. It's funny it's a white
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  Speaker 2: movie just licensed it licensed the song, and I can't
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  Speaker 2: wait to hear see an all white movie with a
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  Speaker 2: song that aggressive. Uh, if the boys won't wo talk
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  Speaker 2: to me now, if the boy won't wo to lay
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  Speaker 2: it down, motherfucker, lay it down, you bitch. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like to see the white boy but that record.
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  Speaker 2: But but, but what happened with me and Little Flip
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  Speaker 2: was that I was already a popping producer, like in
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  Speaker 2: the hood, like all over, I mean probably from Tosa, Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 2: the Florida and so Little Flip just told me him,
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  Speaker 2: being the business man that he is, he was like, Bro,
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  Speaker 2: you give me two beats, I give you a verse.
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  Speaker 2: And so I didn't even like the like of pimp beat.
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  Speaker 2: I'm being honest with you. It just had Pimp C.
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  Speaker 2: I had sample of Pimp C on the hook, and
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  Speaker 2: so I was like, well, I know, like little flipper
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  Speaker 2: like it because it got C on. I'll just get
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  Speaker 2: a little flip verse and then I'll go back and
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  Speaker 2: make the beat again. I was popping so much and
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  Speaker 2: moving so much because this is something that I think
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  Speaker 2: that will help you guys with the show that people
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  Speaker 2: don't know about. I ran a three state distribution company
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  Speaker 2: out of the back of my van. I may have
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  Speaker 2: been the first artist to ever put a store up online.
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  Speaker 3: People don't know that. And on your website you was
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  Speaker 3: selling stuff. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: One of my friends worked at Xerox Wow, so he
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  Speaker 2: was in the tech before the average person was in
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  Speaker 2: the tech.
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  Speaker 5: So he set up a store.
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  Speaker 2: For me, right, and so anywhere within the three I
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  Speaker 2: said three state radius. If it was enough, I would
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  Speaker 2: actually take the CDs myself, especially if I was driving
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  Speaker 2: to go.
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  Speaker 3: Do beats to deliver yes himself.
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  Speaker 2: And if it was enough, if not, then I would
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  Speaker 2: just send it in a making the original Amazon prome exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: That's another one we're not thinking of about.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I just saw I just saw something online
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  Speaker 2: that said that I may have been the.
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  Speaker 5: First person to do NFTs.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about quite know about that one, but
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  Speaker 2: I know that I was, probably, if not the first one,
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  Speaker 2: one of the first people to do crowdfunded.
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  Speaker 3: Let's break this down. Yeah, okay, NFTs. How did you
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  Speaker 3: move your involvement with that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what I don't see. The thing is is that
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  Speaker 2: when you are the first, you don't really know what
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  Speaker 2: you're doing. And the thing was is that I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: doing it to make stuff easier for other people. I
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  Speaker 2: was doing it because like in my company to this day,
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  Speaker 2: ask any of my staff when they come to me
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  Speaker 2: and ask me, is it good enough?
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  Speaker 5: Ask my staff, what is the first.
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  Speaker 2: Thing I tell them?
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  Speaker 5: I always tell them is it good enough?
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  Speaker 2: For Apple? Apple was always the company from their inception,
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  Speaker 2: that was the company that I always competed against because
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  Speaker 2: this shit was so clean, it was so easy. How
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  Speaker 2: did they get their phone down to just one button?
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  Speaker 2: Even think about the packaging? How do you hot everything,
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  Speaker 2: everything like if you look at my god, boxes that soul.
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  Speaker 2: And some people said it was one of the greatest marketing.
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  Speaker 2: They said it was a marketing scheme. I said, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't marketing a marketing scheme because I meant what I
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  Speaker 2: was doing. It wasn't a scheme. It was a box
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  Speaker 2: of consciousness. I took all the things that helped me
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  Speaker 2: to become conscious and I put it in a box.
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  Speaker 2: And what I did is I said, I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: cater to every sense that a human being has, so
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  Speaker 2: the slickness of the box. Women always tell me how
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  Speaker 2: good I smelled. Didn't you smell me, baby when I
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: walked in the room. I know you did. It was
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  Speaker 2: quite elegant. See the way that you're looking at me
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  Speaker 2: in the Oh, no, you weren't locked in, but no.
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  Speaker 2: Women would always talk about how good I smelled. So
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  Speaker 2: I would spray my cologne in the boxes literally, so
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  Speaker 2: when they open up the box, male or female, they
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  Speaker 2: when they smelled it, when they touched it, like, whether
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  Speaker 2: we know it or not, we represent culture. And I new,
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  Speaker 2: especially during that time in music, anytime you thought of
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  Speaker 2: black and independent, people would always try to make it
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  Speaker 2: feel like it was low quality. So I always wanted
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  Speaker 2: to represent us at a level where at a zenith
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  Speaker 2: level where people will always be proud of me. That's
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  Speaker 2: the reason why I'm enough of a man to come
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  Speaker 2: on here today and say the way that you all
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  Speaker 2: represent culture, it it transcends just business and music, like
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  Speaker 2: you all are doing something that inspire people all over
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  Speaker 2: the world. I'm in meetings all the time and y'all
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  Speaker 2: name come up.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate man, I appreciate that. I mean, it says a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And you use the word transcend and transition in a
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  Speaker 1: certain step.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me one second. Can you go back to this
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  Speaker 2: camera right here? Damn, I look good. I saw myself myself.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody called people okay, go ahead. As we were saying
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  Speaker 1: the moment, the transition from being into the artists to
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  Speaker 1: sign artists. What is it like when you're trying to,
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  Speaker 1: I guess infiltrate or into a new space in terms
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  Speaker 1: of business, how are people viewing you when you walk
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  Speaker 1: into the space. Is it like, Hey, this guy's an artists,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't know much. You said that they had a
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  Speaker 1: universe realized that you're a smart guy. But how are
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  Speaker 1: the other people in other forms of business.
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  Speaker 2: Looking at you.
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  Speaker 1: Where they look like this is the artists who may
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  Speaker 1: not know or we're not taking them serious because he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't come from this background.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll say this. I want to answer this question
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  Speaker 2: in a very specific way. Because I'm pretty decent with
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  Speaker 2: my hands. I own several firearms, and I go to
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  Speaker 2: tactical gun training monthly. I can be a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more vulnerable than the average artist, and I think it's
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  Speaker 2: very important for us to be honest. It's really, really scary.
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  Speaker 2: It's scary because a lot of these spaces, unlike you guys,
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  Speaker 2: if anything, y'all can fail together, if anything, if something
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: go down, it's more than just one of y'all in
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: most of these spaces using only one, and even more
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: than that. And I found this out in higher education.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: As I moved up and higher in education, I became
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: not only the only black male, but in a lot
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: of cases, the only black person in a lot of
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: these spaces. You all know this because we've bumped into
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: each other in tech spaces. That's lonely, especially not only
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: when you're trying to navigate yourself through it, but you're
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: trying to learn it at the same time. So I'm
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: trying to continue to make hit records when none of
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: us know the real equation to hit records. I'm trying
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to stay current. But then I got to learn accounting.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I gotta you know, I'm going overseas, navigating myself in
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: spaces that I've never been before. Then you know what
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: they don't talk about is the music industry gets younger
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: and younger, while the people who own the music industry
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: get older and older and wiser and wiser. So master
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: p may come up with a stellar contract that breaks
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: down the walls, or Michael Jordan in the case of Shoes,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: may come up with a deal that's never been seen before.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: But then white folks are not gonna let that happen again.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to find another way to do it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And every time we break through, the contracts get tighter
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and tighter. But we're getting younger and younger and younger,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: and your music business becoming more disposable and more disposable. So,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to answer your question directly, in a lot of these spaces, bro,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I don't even have anybody to go to and acting
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: man like, I'm acting across from some of the greatest
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: actors on this planet and I just got Samuel. I
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: just got to the point where I.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: Can call Samuel L.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Jackson. And although, yeah, I'm tough from I'm a street perspective,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: but I'm dealing in things and in rooms that I've
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: never ever experienced before. And like you say, I am,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I'm representing us whether I want to or not. But
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just glad that my parents instill something in me.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And hip hop from the standpoint of when I was
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: growing up was intelligent, so I always learned to study.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I'll give y'all an example. I actually my first Gatorade contract.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I actually wrote the contract myself, and I wrote the
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: contract because I went to legal Zoom.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: That's when legal Zoom first came out, and.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I downloaded every contract that had something to do with marketing,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: that had to do anything with commercials and music, and
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I study watch what I did. Most lawyers charge you
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: by what the hour?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed in most cases you only really
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: spend thirty minutes, but they always charge you by the what. Well,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: so every time I would read something in legal Zoom
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: that I wouldn't that I didn't understand, when.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: My lawyer got his ass up.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: No shit, your ass back down. I got thirty more minutes.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I got these lists of questions. So after about twenty
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: times of doing this with my lawyer, I got that shit.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: And it got to the point where other rappers would
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: call me and say, hey, bro, read over my contract.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I could pick out what was wrong. I didn't know
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: how to rewrite the contract, but I could pick out
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: what was wrong. But it was because I had the
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: internal fortitude to study and learn on my own.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I hope that so you got you got your four
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: hours worth? Oh shit, you ever get mad at you
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: for like yeo, bro, yeah is over?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Well no, I will tell you that that. Come to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: find out, that particular lawyer that I'm talking about ended
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: up being a thief. But he told me to my face.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: He told me two things that were very powerful. Number One,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: when he read over the Gatorade contract, he said, I
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: corrected a few grammatical errors and a few terms, he said,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: but for the most part, I can't charge you. He said,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you did that. He really looked at me and was like, Bro,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: you did that. And what he did say about me
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: that I thought was honorable. He said, David Banner, unlike
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: most people, you handle business the.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Same way you are in real life.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Like, one of the hardest things for me is to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: negotiate with producers because I'm a producer. I say this
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: all the time. Most Black people don't want to free
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the slaves. They want the opportunity to hold a whip.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: How am I gonna fuck over a young producer when
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I am a producer? That ain't God like to me?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: You feel me? So he was like, you're the same
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: man in a contract that you are on the streets.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: And that's all I could ever ask in business, or
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: in life or in the spiritual, real period. That's integrity
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: You brought up the word loneliness when we were talking
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: about what it's like navigating through these spaces. What we
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: don't talk about is the mental told that it takes
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: when you're facing that by yourself, right, Like, we're going
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: through something. Obviously we have each other, we have family
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: around us. How are you navigating from a mental side
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: because you're deep into consciousness? How was that for you
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: navigating as you're trying to be strategic of where your
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: next move's going to be.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Oh man, it's hard for me to say because words
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: are so powerful.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: I want to say, I want to say something.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: But when you say it, you manifested. You manifested. So
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: it's sort of hard for me understanding that. You know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I navigated better, That's what I say. I didn't always
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: navigate it well because in a lot of cases were
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the first people to do what we've done. Imagine how
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I felt in Mississippi going from being homeless. I literally
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: went from being homeless to them announcing David Banner has
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: a ten million dollar deal in the poor state and
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: arguably the poor city in America. Jackson, Yeah, yeah, So
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: for me to say that, you know, for people to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: say that, and for me to have to navigate, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: not understanding taxes. But it's hard to explain to people.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Just because you're intelligent, that doesn't mean that you know everything.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: You're intelligent in what you're great at. I didn't know
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: nothing about taxes. And yes, I went to school in business,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: but name one place that they talk about taxes in
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: business school. I went through the whole fucking curriculum. They
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: don't teach you that, bro, And it's a game. So
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: not only and bro, I'm glad that y'all asked me
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: this question because I've never been able to say this before,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and I feel comfortable enough to talk about here. And
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: it also gives y'all something exclusive that I never said before.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: But like, Bro, I'm still a black man from the streets.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: I still gotta deal with street ship.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: So not only do I have to deal excuse me, Jordan,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna break I'm gonna break it for a second.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Not only do I gotta deal with crackers, which is ignorant,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I gotta deal with niggas too. So I gotta deal
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: with racism. I gotta deal with street shit. I gotta
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: deal with accountants. I gotta deal with lawyers. And then
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of times the lawyers are incohoots with the accountants, Bro.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And then your family and in the hood, you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: everybody feels ownership that's not even fair. And most and
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: none of them bought a CD. That's the crazy thing.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Say your music. You know, this is the text they
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: don't talk about, Bro, and it's it's then and then
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: watch this. Then you're blessed to a crude new information
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: because now we're traveled. So, Bro, I'm in New York
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm in college, and I'm all these different places
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: getting knowledge yourself. I learned about Buddhism. And I'm from Mississippi,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: a Christian Christian Christian, and they tell you what you're
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: going to hell forever ever ever, So imagine having to
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: navigate through all of those spaces nine times out of
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: tea and alone. I remember the women that I used
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to date. They used to always tell me this. Besides
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: one young lady with two young ladies. It was one
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: young lady from Saint Louis, from U City, and it
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: was one lady, one young lady from here. She was
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: from Hollis Queens. Those were the only two ladies that
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I ever ever dealt with that pushed my activism, the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: activism side of me. Most women will say, you got
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: all this money, what you're worried about? That fun I'm always.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: Like, it's funny.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I was telling those talking to my publicist team yesterday,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: we had a slight little tiff and I asked him.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: I was like, what's the only time did I act?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: The donkey? Tell me the only time I ever get
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: upset is about the liberation of black people. You ain't
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: never had no problems with me about nothing. So if
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: people are treating my people right, you you never got
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to worry about me. So didn't think about that too,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: being an activist in Mississippi. Imagine hearing Brand Nubie and
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: this to Do asked, I stopped eating pork and eleventh
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: grade in Mississippi, thinking what my mom and dad they
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: thought about me. Oh, you ain't gonna eat these pork
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: chopp but you ain't gonna eat jack. But watch this though,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you all how much my mom and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: dad loved me. Once they found out that I was
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: serious about not eating pork. My whole family stopped eating pork.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't notice that till I was a grown man.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Bacon Mama cooked breakfast with no hall.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a moment even for us like that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I stopped too. That's crazy.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: So what made you stop being poor?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I was listening to my brother stopped listening. He was
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: listening to Brand Nubian. Obviously I'm listening to it because
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: he listening to it. And I was like, all right,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: if he's gonna stop, then I'm gonnatop. Like this is
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: like I'm like eighty nine years old.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you all what's amazing about hip hop? Man?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Imagine this, bro. I was actually able to tell sadat
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: because like a lot of times people still look at
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: me as David Banner. A lot of people that I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: look up to actually look up to me, and I
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: never thought that would ever be the case. Bro, Like
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I'm looking after them and they coming they asking me like,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: damn man, what did you learn this? What book? And
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: how did you do this? But I was actually able
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: to tell Sadat like, Bro, you the reason why I.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Stopped eating poor Bro, you changed crazy.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: That's ill, that's fire. Let me ask you this. On
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: the independent side, Snoop, I only met Snoop one time,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: and it was crazy because he gave a lot of
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: game just in a very short period of time. One
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: of the things that he said was is insightful. He
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: was saying that we're talking about Beasts Ba Dre and
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: you know everybody know that. I think Apple bord it
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: for eight hundred million dollars something like that, and he
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: was like, sometimes they'll buy you to shelf you, yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: meaning like Beasts by Dre was lit. They had everybody,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: they had all the rappers, they had athletes there. You
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: don't really see too much about beat by Dre now.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: So his Apple Apple Apple bought them. So he's his
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: thing was like as soon as Apple buys Beats BA Dre,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: all you hear is iPod the AirPods. So they essentially
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: brought the competition to kill the competition so they could
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: push their products, which is AirPods as opposed to Beat
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: by Dre.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: What have you heard that before?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Though, Well, that's why I'm tying in with the music
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: because like slim Thug is my guy, Like that's a
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: personal friend of Austin. And he was saying, like how
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: he kind of regretted going to a label because it's
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: like the label, the allure of a label, like I
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: got a deal, now I got to I got my
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: own label under a label. But he was like, looking
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: back on it, it was better to just stay the
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: independent route. You think that that the music business has
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: done that?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Like of course that's what I was alluding to earlier.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I even take it a step further. Okay, then all right,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: see y'all starting I'm trying to stay on business. All right,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: So peep this. Watch this. Watch this gonna blow your mind.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: It's funny because I saw part of it here. What
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: was the big the Virgin megastore That was when I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: knew they won. Watched this so they sucked up all
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: of the independent artists. First, gave us more money than
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: we ever seen before. But what that is to them
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: is a tax right off, right, because they make sure
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: in most cases that we fail. And then the other
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: rappers who were like me, unlike you know what I'm saying.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: If if if let's say many Fresh decided that he
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: wanted to leave, right, I don't have to that problem
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: because I produce. Also, if Baby decided to leave, then
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: they don't have to worry about that because I run
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: my business. I understand my business. If Wayne decided to leave,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: whether they rapper left or Julie decided to leave, a
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: BG decided to leave, well I do the rappers. I
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: do the rapping. So what ended up happening is is
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: after they soaked, they gave all this money and we
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: thought we had all of this money. And then the
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: first thing that you all know, I didn't understand is
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: what forty forty five percent of it is gone just
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: in taxi Right, then you're catching up for all of
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the borrowing that you did and not having or getting
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: your first house and car, getting your mom straight. What
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: see long Green said that money be gone, So they
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: did that. That was easy. Didn't watch what they did.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I myself got a seventy thousand dollars check from Southwest Distribution.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: We didn't need the majors. We had Gonzales, we had Southwestern,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: We had distribution companies, real solid distribution companies. They soaked
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: them up and bought them out. Then guess what they did.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Black people learn how to get mom and pop stores,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: even though a lot of them was burning CDs in
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the back and bootlegging. But that was we even learned
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: how to We actually learned how to press CDs the fact. Right,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: then they sucked up the mom and pop stores. I
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: don't know if you'll remember when they would put the
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Feds started going to the mom and pop stores like
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: they were really like they were selling drugs.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Bro Right, So then they sucked up the mom and
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: pop stores.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Then after they sucked up the mom and pop stores,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: then they went for the major stores. Bro. We at
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Virgin all we got to doing, say the Virgin Mega
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Store bo literally and I know, I know, Jordan, but
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I gotta say it, bro Like the Virgin Mega Store
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: was one of the few times besides walking into a
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: strip club where I think I slightly had an orgasm
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: when I would walking to the store leisurely, I mean
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: just being a I mean just being up Bro. One
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: thing that people don't understand about me, BRO, is I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: really loved hip hop. I really loved it. I really
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: thought it was this real thing, Bro. I right like, BRO,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: and I peeped what they did to the game, BRO,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and then we were okay with streaming after that. BRO.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Like we It's just like, Bro, we are addicted to.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Following our pressors, no matter how they treat us, no
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: matter how bad they do us, we run behind them. BRO.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I just left Forbes, and what I was telling them
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: over there at Forbes was like, one of the sad
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: things is that we get caught in the trends, no
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: matter how detrimental those trends may beat us. Like I
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: told them, there's nothing from a business standpoint that you
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: can tell me that was positive about streaming. And you
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: all are owned your business acumen, bro, at least at
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: y'all age. BRO, I don't know too many people y'all
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: ages that beat y'all on that side. Tell me one
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: positive thing about streaming you were getting. I just told
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: you I was getting ten dollars a CD two fractions
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: of pennies to just allow somebody to play my music
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: over and over again on their site. That's all streaming is.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: They just play up, perpetually play your shit over and
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: over again, and then people tap into their site. What's
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: smart about that?
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: It's just psychological. Even Swiss Swiss Btest says something that
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: was insightful off so with you know, he went to
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Harvard like that program that they have, and he was like,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: one thing that he picked up is that in business,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: you don't have to give somebody ownership, but you just
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: make them feel like they have ownership in their work.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: So he equated that to labels. He's like, so when
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: they started giving everybody a label, they felt empowered because
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: now you're under a powered structure that you psychologically want
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: to be under anyway, and they make you're still a worker,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: but you have a title of a CEO. So now
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: all everybody got a label, but nobody has distribution, nobody
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: has real ownership. But that's a way to keep everybody happy, satisfied.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: It's so crazy. Bro I wrote this thesis paper that
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: directly correlated and connected slavery and the plantation two record labels,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: you know and and through me doing my and through
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: me doing my research, I found that there was something
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: that was called yard niggas. So you look at, well, no,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the field niggas are the rappers, right, The yard niggas
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: are the A and rs. The house niggas are the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: like the label execs right, and so bro, this you know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I had a partner that helped me in it, but
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: it was genius and I may turn it into a
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: book one day, bro, whether we know it or not. Bro,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: people act just like slaves and don't know it, like dude, Like,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: if you look at just getting a deal, usually when
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: you look at getting hot in the hood as a
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: rapper or as a beat producer, all that is is
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: recruiting power, right, And what's the first thing you do
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: when you go get power? You don't believe that you
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: can wield that power, so you go find you a
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: white dude to do it for you.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Why couldn't a black person do it? Why couldn't you
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: do it?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Like? What is it? What is it? What is it
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: about us that we can't create our own internet? Dog?
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Why you can't create your own store? Bro? And then
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: as soon as we start figuring it out and be like, oh,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: we can do this shit.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: And I'll give y all a great example.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: And I blow people mind every time I tell them this.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: You remember when shooting a video a rap video was
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: just like science, Like everybody was afraid to do it,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and nobody thought it that it could be done. And
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: somebody somewhere just went and got a fucking camera and
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: shot that bitch. Everybody started shooting the music video. And
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: it's starting to happen in movies now. Black folks are
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: starting to say, like, oh damn, we can use this
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: our phone and shoot a movie and put it up
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: on tob what you can do to be yourself. So
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: what ends up happening, bro, is like people won't admit
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: that they still have slave mindsets. Bro. And the crazy
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: thing is, I tell Black people this all the time,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: is we talk about Jesus all the time. Black folks
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: get on they Jesus, kick Jesus, Jesus. But when anybody
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: start acting like Jesus, we usually crucify ourselves. Anytime somebody said,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: well I'm gonna run this myself, well I'm gonna do this,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: or I'm gonna because I believe that, why would God
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: allow us to be thinking beings thinking sentient beings. If
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: it wasn't meant for us to challenge things, and so
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: all of those people that ever challenged anything, they usually
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: ended up dead or in jail. It's a fact. Language
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: is important.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And you use the word thought when you thought hip
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: hop was it almost feels like you don't recognize it now?
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Or pop is imperialism? Have you fallen out of love
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: with it?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I have?
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: I have, I have, Yes, I have. But let me
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: tell you why I think God allowed me to.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: So watch this. Just like they created that feeling of
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: hip hop that made us think that it was real,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: we can do that on the other end of spec
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: on the other end of the spectrum. Me and Jordan.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: That's from my publishers team. We talked about it today.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Imagine if I created a company that because all you
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: got to do is create a company and get all
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: our friends and all I thought about that, going to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: get Snoop, going to get Rahem Devn, getting all get
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: krit and all of us. Put a company together and
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: just make the splits equitable and then give other artists
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: what they deserve. But we know that we want. Maybe
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: God put us through what we were going through so
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: we can be the person to do it. I don't
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: think the story of Jesus was about a man coming
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: down to bear a cross for you. I think it
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: was about God coming in a physical form to show
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: you how to bury your own cross. If I can
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: come down here and be a man and do it,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: you can too. You remember the story of Jesus when
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: he was walking on water and he had other people
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: walking with him until they started doing what doubting. You
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: are made out of the same stuff God has made
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: out of. You think it, you do it. So why
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: are we so scared? This is why it's the greatest
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: time in history as business men. Because you all noticed.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: They thought we were crazy. They thought you all were
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: crazy until you did it. Think about Bro, me doing
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: hip hop in Mississippi. Bro, they thought I was crazy
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: today sound like a pill, Bro. All God has to
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: do is give you vision. People perish because of a
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: lack of vision. Bro. We see it, and I want
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: to tell you all this. This is very important.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: You must listen to me on this.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Bro. Bro. We have to stop getting mad when people
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: don't see our vision. If people see your vision, then
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: it's general knowledge. Then you are no longer blessed. My
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: mother always said, you are blessed. Being a visionary is
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: a curse and a blessing. You're blessed to see other
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: things that people can't see, but you're cursed to sit
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: in them alone. I'm grateful for this deficit. I am
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: grateful for this experience that we're having with Trump, because
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: now we know that America cares nothing about the black
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: man and woman. I was speaking at a female reproductive summit,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and I think I scared a couple of people, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I told them the truth. I said, the first thing
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: that you have to understand as a black woman is
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: they don't want you to reproduce black kids anyway. So
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: when you're wondering why we are dying at this rate,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: you gotta first understand that you keep going to their hospitals,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: you keep going to their mothers and fathers, and when
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: they don't want you to have black children in the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: first place. So until you admit that, and I know
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: it's scary, I know it's hard to digest, but until
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: we understand that if we don't come back and save us,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: no one will Ain't nobody coming out the sky. Because
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: if the way that I think about Jesus is true,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Jesus already came down and showed you what to do.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: What he she or it got to come back for Bro.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: That's the reason why I want to be a billionaire.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Most people want to be a billionaire so they can
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: live in abundance. I want to be a billionaire because
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I want to free to people. Bro. I don't want
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: nobody to have to go to Warner Brothers no more
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: if they don't want to. I don't want kids to
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: ever see a time where there's not a black Superman
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: because they can come to a Banner vision And ain't
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: it crazy speaking to Superman? How are you energized by
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the sun and you're actually practically you know, you're actually
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: a battery incarnate? When white people they skin does what
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to the sun? It reached next the sun? They've run
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: from the sun. How can Superman be white when it
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: superpower is the Sun and y'all can't sit out in
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: the sun five minutes without Dad thought, no, no, no, Actually,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: a white scientist I read an article a white scientist
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: that there's no way possible that Superman is white. Knowing
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: what you know, yeah, and what you study.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: We had this conversation with where I am the first
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: thing we asked on was how do you sleep knowing
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that all of this but the other do you feel.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: As a threat to the opposition? All right, So I've
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: grown spiritually where I don't hate anybody anymore. One thing
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: that I realized is, first of all, you have to
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: understand that these people came from Europe. It came from
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a cold climate where you know, there's not many resources,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: there's not much time. You know, if you don't if
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: you don't plant at the right time in the right
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: place and harvest and collect, it's cold seven you're like,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: what seven to eight nine months? So the scarcity martians, Yes,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: So like it's not just that the fact that they're biggest.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: So they're racists, are survival on this planet period, and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: they are the recessive gene. So I'm not emotional about it.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: So what I realized is, and be honest, guys, if
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: it was a rattlesnake over there in that corner, you
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: would and kiss that rattlesnake and there's.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: A rattlesnake bitch you in the mouth, would you be mad?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: No?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: You asked for it?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Why would I be biting rattlesnake? And historically over and
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: over again. You kiss a rattle snake in the mouth,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: it's gonna get bit right. So historically it's black people
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: while we keep going over there by the rattle.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: So that brings up a good point because are you
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: from Mississippi? So civil rights it's different. We all have
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: different struggles in America. Racism no matter where you at happening.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: But the history of the South is different from the
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: history of the North. I was just watching the movie
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Till for the first time, story of m Me tell
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: if anybody hasn't seen it, to watch it. So being
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: that you come from the South, right, you know, doctor CLAUDA. Anderson, Yes,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: So he brung up a good point where he was
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: saying that he thought the civil rights movement was misguided
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: because integration took out a lot of black businesses and
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: it gave us an illusion of inclusion.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Integration was worse than slavery. Talk about that, Okay, Well,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: if you look at slavery for what it is, we
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: just lost the war that we didn't know that we
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: were in. I mean, that just happens. Really, if you
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: really look at it for what it is. It's just
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: whether it would have been Native Americans, whether it would
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: have been the Irish people. Whoever, it would have been
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: the reason why we ended up being who we were.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: And the pecking order is because we survived and because
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: we're children in the sun, so we are children of
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: the sun, so we can last in the sun. We
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: were more.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Durable as just human beings in period.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Right, So the problem is is that in the mechanism
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: of slavery, if you have the chains on, you always
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: know that you have to escape. Integration gave us the
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: illusion of winning. It's the same way that I feel
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: about the devil. People get mad at me because I said,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I don't believe the devil exists. I believe that white
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: people gave you the devil so that you won't realize
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: that you are the problem. If you always think it's
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: something outside of yourself, you will never correct yourself. You'll
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: always put it on an external entity. And if you
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: really do believe in God, in one God, why would
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you ever compare anything to the most high? Why would
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: you even have it? In the same sentence, right, you
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: are the problem. We are our own problems in business
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: and spirituality, in everything. For me, I just realized, bro
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: that this is so powerful.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Watch this y'all gonna love this. What is the name
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: of y'all company?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Earn your leisure? You gotta fucking earn it. It ain't
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: coming from nowhere. Unless you earn it, you will never
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: have the leisure that you are looking for. Hold on
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: for a second, let's pause.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: This is a message brought to you by that was
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: dope as fucking numbers be in the movies with some
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: black and white shit.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Bro thought about that in my hand and I was like, Yo,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: that's dope as fuck. This is a message pro to you, Boden.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: David.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: But I'm serious though, Bro. I thought of like I
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: was thinking about like that. Damn, that's dope. Like, we
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: have to earn our leisure. We have to earn our freedom, Bro.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: And the thing is is, Bro, the real truth is
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: that we're gonna have to suffer for a while. You know.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: If you think about most people that come to America, Bro,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: like they'll sleep ten twelve to a house. One person
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: that get successful, he'll go buy a house, bring five
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: people over there.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: And it's not integration. We a few blocks away from
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Chinatown right now. There's no integration in Chinatown. You go
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: to Chinatown and it is only Mandarin that's spoken and
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: you go to like different parts. They've integrated in the
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: greater society of America, but they're very intentional about maintaining
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: and they're not They're unapologized. It's crazy Indian culture. I went,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: we went to London. We stayed in the W Hotel
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: in Soho. Now we didn't know that that was Chinatown.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: So the uber driver was taking us there and they
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: was like, why are you staying in W, Like it's
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: a W. They're like, well, only Chinese people stay there,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: but the W is not a Chinese hotel. So I'm like, well,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: he's like, well the owner of that W is Chinese,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: so that's not even a Chinese brand. But they they
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: when they come to London, you know, and they don't
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: they don't got to be told to do that. It's natural, right,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: So it's like that's something that we can't wait to
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: go away from everything.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: Like I know some guys that are doing some work
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: in Africa.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: That's I do my research too. We're not gonna go
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: there this. Yeah, I appreciate the research, No bro, I
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: appreciate that. Yes, no, no, I was actually doing some
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: similar business and and just I was doing some similar business.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying, Bro. People are looking to
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: help us. We just have to find them. We just
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: Travel, bro.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: And when you start traveling and looking, Bro, I'm saying
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: from a spiritual standpoint, you what they always say, like,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: you take a step to God.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: God take a you know, eight nine ten to you.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: But is that marketing to like, even with the label right,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: is that marketing where we just feel is that white
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: supremacy where we feel like if we get included in
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: white power structure, that's the ultimate goal. So we'll run
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: away from black inclusion.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: So I'll tell you something, and I hope that by
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: me giving you this example, it'll make it a little
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: bit clearer. So have you all ever heard in football
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: when they say that white quarterbacks are smarter? Okay, so
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: white quarterbacks are not smarter, they just are not as
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: physical as black people are. I think it was Bill Burr.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: He said it like if a white quarterback could jump
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: over a linebacker, he would, but he can't. A white
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: quarterback Like, as an animal, you're gonna run first, you're
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: gonna jump first, you're gonna fight first. But if you
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: can't run, you're gonna have to think so. I mean,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: it wasn't no need for Mike Vick to think about nothing.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: He would just outrun you. What animals? Do you understand
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? So, I think what ends up happening
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: is because white people are not as a whole. I'm
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: not saying that there's not individuals as talented as we are.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: They have to think of mechanisms. I watched the NBA
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: do it all the time. Since they can't play the
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: game no more, then they find a way to always
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: change the rules. That's when the play in tournaments and
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, because they have to find
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: a way to be involved in the game because they
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: can't jump or coach. Again. Yeah, but even now we're
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: getting close, because there's no way that.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: Mark Jackson is not coaching somewhere.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Bro. Come on. But for me, Bro, I realize that
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: that is all well and fine, because I truly believe this, Bro.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I believe that a very wise man from out of
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia told me is Bro. He said that all these
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: things that happened are just to bring us closer to God.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: That's all all this is for, is that if we
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: would take the lesson and earn our leisure then at
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, bro Like, with all of
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: this stuff going on with Trump, and we would take
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: the message that people are not going to help us.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: We keep looking for DEI like, why would you want
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: to be around somebody that don't want to help you.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: I don't understand this, bro.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: There's a restaurant in Atlanta that Tip and Ernestine.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: They boycotted. And I know for sure because my ex
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: girlfriend spent seventy eight thousand dollars a year because when
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: she didn't want to have meetings in her office, she
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: would go there.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: I know the story.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: She told me as much money as as she spent
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: in there. How racist those people were. I have not
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: been in that restaurant in ten years. I'm never going back.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: When people show you who they are. If a company
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't believe that DI is the thing that they're supposed
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: to do because it's the right thing to do, I
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: don't want you to do it because somebody is pressuring you.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: That means that we shouldn't buy them. And the thing
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: about it is is whenever you remove your money and
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: your attention, they'll get right. My opinion, you.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Brought up a big grit and shout out to Big
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Crit Historic run Man legendary felt like that was a
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: pathway for them, and it's kind of been like a
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: hiatus form and music for the past few years. And
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: you said something important. You've beverly intentionally did that, Yeah,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and helped you house.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: So Big Crit. When I was going through my depression,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Big Crit was actually the person that told me, you know,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: to look at your environment sometimes in a spiritual way.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: It's the environment. Also the house that you're in. You
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: don't know who lived in it before. You don't know
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: if it's the people that you brought into your house,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: if their spirits are still lingering. Like it's all of
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: these things that our grandmother's understand, and it's the things
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: that I think they were trying to hint on in
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: centers that because of conventional religion and one thing that
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I hate, I just got to say this, and Jordan,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go too far into this, but like
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: we always jump on these spiritual boats about what other
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: religions do, but we have not like really made people
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: stand on what they did to us under the guise
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: of the conventional religions that we believe in in America.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: If you look at the continent of Africa. It's not
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: chopped up because of who believed in what God. It's
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: chopped up because of the oppressors who won won the
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: wars in those places. In most cases, people were not
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Christian because they wanted to be Christian. It was Christians
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: because they're Christian conquerors conquered that land, or Muslim conquerors
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: conquered that land. If they're if the if they're if
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: they're not believing in the indigenous religion of that land.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: And it really wasn't a religion, it was a way
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: of life. If you look at most African people, you
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: look at most native people anywhere you go, they believed
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: that God was in everything. And if you look at
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the indigenous Asian people, it was very similar to African people.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying, bro, Like everywhere we go
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: and so we get into these religious things, bro, and
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: not understand how we are controlled. Bro. I love the
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: implications of sinners, and I understood what they meant by
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: us tapping back into what our grandmothers believe in. You know,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I don't mind you know, you believing in the religion
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: you believed in, but if you haven't tested it if
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: you haven't done the research, if you haven't translated, because
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: they've lied about everything on this planet, Bro, and how
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: and how that transfers into business. I'll answer a question
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that you asked me earlier that I sort of got
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: away from. I believe that the reason why black people
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: continue to forgive people is because Jesus looked like them.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: If Jesus looked like us, maybe we would forgive us
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: or the black bank that made one mistake, when the
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: white bank make a thousand mistakes and you forget it
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: them every day, Hines ketchup make for.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: The portrayal of Jesus, the white Jesus with blue eyes
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: and blind headed. You're one of the most dangerous things
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: that's ever happened on this planet.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I had. I had a d We were building out
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: in front of of a store in Atlanta, and dude
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: said something so powerful to me, Bro that it still
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: shakes me to this day.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: He says that he said that Jesus exists.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Whether Jesus existed or not, the most powerful person on
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: this planet, it's Jesus. The most powerful book on this
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: planet is the Bible. Whether it's right or wrong. We're
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: not gonna argue that that's not my place. So if
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: you believe that they hold the key to God, then
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: you're always gonna forget them.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: And you always don't think they water is weather.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: You're always going to think that you're they're superior. Yeah,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: it's natural. Like I read a book one time. This
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: guy who's a refugee from this Let me.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Ask you a question about him real quick, bro, He says,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: the coldest ship in the world, right, and doesn't break
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: face every No, bro, I just saw your mama principle
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: at the school. Deal with that information.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Do what you want.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: But he just said the coldest sitting looked me in mind,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: didn't break character. Use me when I say shit, I'd
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: be like that shit, don't that'sh He was like, no, no,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: they control your mind. You think they're superior. Let's continue
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: on five four three two.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: No.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: But so the guy was from the suit in and
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: he had never saw a white person before ever, and
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: so he was like ten years old and then like
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: a missionary somebody from the un So a white person
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: came into his village and he said when he saw
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: him the first person, the first thing that he thought
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: that he had died because he thought that this was
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: God Jesus. And the only reason why he thought that
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: is because up until that point, the only portrait that
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: he's ever seen of white people was Jesus, a white Jesus.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: So he automatically connected the first white person where he
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: that he saw to God. So imagine the grace that
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: you're going to give somebody psychologically, right, the grace that
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: you're gonna give somebody psychologically if you think that their
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: God or the equivalent to God. And then imagine the
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: disdain that you'll have for somebody who think is the
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: direct opposite of that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: And then the deep part to that is even when
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: there when even though their book tells you his skin
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: was like burnt copper hair, you know, like, yeah, good,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: that sounds like a Rastafarian to me. Bro, No, I'm
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: that serious.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: But it also it also shows you how powerful art is.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: That's what that is is art, right, that's a portrait
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: of SZR. Borgos Son. And so the art is more
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: important than the text because, like you said, you can
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: read the text, but that visual painting over overrides what's
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: actually in the text.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: So we played one word game, just me and just me,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: and you do the counsel of Naicia. Yes, I can't
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: even have that conversation Like, that's what I'm telling you
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: about the stuff that I learned about. Bro, I can't
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: even have these conversations with my friends with my mother.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: Bro, Like, you just got to sit on that, Bro.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: And that's where your relationship with God is so important, man,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: because Bro, my grandmother died thinking she was free. My
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: grandma actually died happy and bro Like for me, Man Like,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I am so grateful that if nothing else, Bro is
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: that I know. And I'm also grateful that people consider me.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: That's one thing that I can say about my relationship
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: with hip hop that I don't know if anybody else
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: on hip hop had.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: People at least consider me.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Bro. I don't know why. I don't know what I've
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: done to earn that, man, but I am so grateful
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: to God. Bro. I speak this in Christian churches in
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Mississippi and not get strung up and black people be like,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: you might not let you come back here no more,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: but at least you get to walk out. But no, Bro,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: get out of there. But I'm serious, Like, black people
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: consider me, Bro, and I am so grateful man to
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: be that. You know, I don't. I don't know what
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: to do with it. I try, BRO, But like, I'll
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: tell y'all something only because I'm enjoying this interview so much. Bro.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: But like, Bro, it's hard on me.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Bro. I didn't lost over twelve million dollars Bro because
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: of my activism, my opportunities.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: Not just opportunities.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Bro. But you gotta think, man, Like, let's just be honest. BRO.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I get my money from Disney. Bro, I give my
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: money from PepsiCo.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm just being honest with you. And like, black people,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: for some reason, think that money comes from some imaginary place.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: When you're activist, it don't. Bro. If it don't come
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: from you, it don't happen. That's why again, I am
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: going to sing you all's praises.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: You found you all found a way to galvanize the
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: people and make them excited about spending money with other
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: black people. That's powerful, Gee, that is powerful.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: How have you responded when you're face being tested? I
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: think that's when you really find out who you are spiritually, right,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: So like in the moments, especially dealing with the music
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: industry and just dealing with life over the course of time,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: how has that been for you, Okay, ask the question.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: In a more direct way with one sentence, because this
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: is very important and I want to make sure that
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I answer it in the right way. I'll say, like this,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: how about this? Have you always been this develot? Have
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: you grown to it?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: And in times of questioning your faith or challenging your faith?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: How is that shape to you? All? That's actually worse? No,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: but I got it, man. So the amazing thing to
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: me about God is sort of like your dad bro,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: like fathers bro, like you think about the teachers that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: really loved you. Now that we've grown, I had this
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: new thing. You have to make a choice as a parent.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm not even a parent yet. Your children can
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: like you when they're young and not respect you when
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: they're grown, because they'd be like, that's some bullshit. You
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: should have stayed on my ass, Like or you cannot
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: spare the rod, they say, spare the rod quick in
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: the child to the grave. Right, So your kids cannot
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: like you when their children and then respect you when
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: they grown. I remember beinging the Butcher saying that on
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: my podcast. He said he went back to his hood
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: and checked his OJ's. Can't I say nigga. He was like, nigga,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: how y'all had as selling dope at ten, y'all was
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: supposed to be fathers. Bro, how y'all let us take
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: those penitentiary chances at fourteen?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: Bro response, He didn't tell me what the response was.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: But I thought that was so brave. He said, he
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: really went back and checked his OJZ BRO. So what
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: I'm saying is is that since God loves us, sometimes
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I can equate my struggle to the amount of love
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: and how much God trusts me with that mantle, bro,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: or with that responsibility. Excuse me. So, like what I'm
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: learning now, and this is just my opinion, y'all, faith
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: in God is not jumping off of the mountain, because
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: you could just be a fucking food and jump off
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: the mountain. The real test is you jumping off the mountain,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: God letting you fall face first on the concrete and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: number one, you didn't understand that you survived, number one,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: but waiting to see if you was gonna curse his
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: or her or its name and then give you wings
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: to fly. That's what I'm learning that real faith is
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: not just jumping off the mountain. Now when stuff don't work,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: your way when you don't get it exactly when you
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: want to, and then realize that when if you would
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: have got it when you wanted to, you would have
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: wrecked it anyway. So when I am learning about it
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: is to stop asking God why and ask God What's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I just while you said it, I mean, but did
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: it click? Clicked?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Because it made me think of when Lupe says struggle
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: another sign that God loves you.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: That's a bar. That's his penitentiary. That ain't just a bar,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: that's the whole penitentiary. You can build a penitentiary off
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, you was about to.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Say something mental health, because you too.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: I'm a fucking wreck dog, I know, I just said.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to say it. I'm a fucking red.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: You spoke about work in progress.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Language is important. I just wanted to let it go
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: one time, bro.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: But you spoke about you spoke about, you know, depression.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: But there's a lot of people, especially men right that
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: are going through things that they can't identify what it is,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: and b they're going through things and they don't know
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: how to seek help. So my question is, how did
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: you identify you was in that place and how did
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: you seek the help to get out of that well one.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Truthfully, I'm not a rape man. I'm actually very proud
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: of the man that I am I'm becoming, and I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: am grateful also that the blessings that I did think
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: that I wanted. Bro, If I would have got him earlier,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I would have messed it up, bro. Like I honestly thinking,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm not just saying this because I'm on y'all show,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I really believe it. I believe why should God bless
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: me with the financial opulence that I leave that I
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: deserve when I would have just gave it to them
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: through not paying my taxes anyway, like some things we
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: won't were not ready for him. Maybe God and then
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: bless us with him because he share it, knew that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: it would be a nightmare, so that we have to
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: be prepared to receive it, because if not, then you're
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: just to conduit to bless your enemy because they just
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: gonna take it away from you from not being prepared,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: not being well read, not understanding accounting, not understanding taxes,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: all of these things. We want all of this money, bro,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: but we don't do the things to earn our leisure. Damn.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: That's though but what was the question more directly, like.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: How did you know you was depressed? How did you
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: seek help to get out of that the pressure?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: So I found out from my therapist that sometimes not
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: all the time that your the brain protects you from
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: all the trauma that we've been through. And you wonder why,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: because this is one of the things that I tripped on.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: And I never said this in public either, but I'm
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: having such a great time. Bro, y'all doing a great job. Bro.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: I was tripping because I was depressed, and I was like, Bro,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: I've been in shootouts, I've been homeless and happy and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: all this stuff. Bro, Like, why am I tripping now? Bro?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: I gotta bent me outside? What I am I tripping? Like?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I'm dating models? And bro, if I want to go
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: to Japan right now? Matter of fact, I knew a
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: way if I wanted to go out of space, I
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: can afford to go out of space. Literally, maybe not
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: twelve times, but I go out of space one time.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: I got that kind of bread right. But what I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: realized is that the human brain protected us until we
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: got into space where we could handle it, and then
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: the brain was like, okay, now you got a little
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: bit of bread. Deal with that that happened to you
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: when you were nine, Deal with your mama leaving you outside,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: you know, and you're being adopted. This didn't happen to me.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying. And so I just started getting
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to the point, man, where I think I had the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: mental space when you in the streets, Bro, like we
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: was in the streets, you didn't have no time to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: worry because other stuff was happening daily all the time,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And so I started realizing, Man,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: that I was in the space. I had the means too.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: And then the other side of this, I have talked
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: about this in other places. I am realizing. And I'm
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: not a therapist, So y'all go and talk to your therapist.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Don't put this on David Benner also found that one
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: of the things that we think is depression, that's not
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: always depressing. Depression is us breaking the programming. Like, Bro,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: we have been lied to, not just by white people,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: not just by America, but by parents who was giving
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: us the best stuff that they possibly could. But a
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: lot of that stuff is lies, Bro, And so a
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: lot of times, Bro, if you have been and I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: talked about this today, movies and television are what television programming.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: We are being programmed every day. And this is one
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: thing that as much knowledge itself, as much social and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: financial literacy that you all may be giving people, you
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: can't beat Fox Network, not yet. We on our way,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: but they can program, they can tell but that Christopher
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Columbus discovering America. That's a damn lie. So a lot
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: of times, bro, we are breaking. It's actually what we
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: feel is depression is actually us healing. The same way
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I realized when I fast A lot of the times
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: when I think I need to go eat, it's actually
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: the impurities coming out of my body. I don't need
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: to put any more in there. I just need to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: wait for a minute. So I started realizing, man, that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: you know, I had to break myself. I had to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: allow the most high to totally run his, her or
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: its course with me. Bro, And then I'm all right,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: and that you all are doing a good job, bro,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: just for us to wake up every day and get
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: at it again. Y'all doing a good job. You know
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Sweetye, As much as you peek over
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: here and look at me, because I do smell good.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: And that I'm handsome, the fact that you can restrain
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: yourself and not total.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: No'm just joking.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: That might be somebody, girlfriend, I'm just joking. But no,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: like we are surviving man. And to be honest with you, Bro,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I made it through. I had
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: an assistant once he told me. He said, David, if
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I knew for a fact that I could make it
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: and all of my dreams could come true, but I
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: had to go through what you went through. He said,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. Bro. I've been through it, dog,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: But I'm here. Bro. Bro, I look better than I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: did when I was twenty seven years old. Bro, I
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: am stronger than I've ever been in my life. Brom
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: making so much fucking money, dog, like it's coming to me. Bro.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: And it's so crazy, Bro, because a lot of people
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: about finances and opulence and say that it's evil.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: It is not, Bro. It is what you allow it
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: to be.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: And Bro, when I started vibrating on the right level,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: getting around the right people, reading the right information, and
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: I just want to say this, I don't know if
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: you all disagree with me or not, but as I'm
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: moving to that next level of life, most people who
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: deal in money at the level that we're dealing with now,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: then people will never give you the secrets, the real
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: secrets to allow you to be their competition. They won't.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: If you look at other financial books, it's usually never
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: written by the person that's on the cover. They will
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: give you enough to be successful so you can can
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: continue reading their books and consuming their information. But the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: real truth, BRO, you gotta get around people that know stuff,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: or you got to try and fail over and over
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: again until you can piece the equation together. Bro. That's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: what I'm learning. BRO. You just you gotta get out
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: there and make them mistakes or go and find people. BRO.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: I invested in a cold fusion company.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: And my friends were like, what the fuck? Give what
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: you know about confusion? Nothing? But I add that did
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: buy me the opportunity to get into our generation's Einstein.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I met that guy, the people that I was around,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll tell you all this too a lot of times,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: because people will never tell you all this. When you're
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: dealing with people who are in money at that level,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: they're usually going to try to make you do something,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: to sacrifice something to make sure that you're worthy of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: being around them. Bro.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: It's like dude told me.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: He was like, Bro, you got to get a ticket
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: to Australia if you want this opportunity. And it's like
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: a fourteen day turnaround. That had never been to Australia before,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: out straight out the hood. Bro, I can't lie. I
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: was scared. I ain't know nobody over there. But what
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: made me do it was I had thrown that amount
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: of money that they were asking for the initial investment. Bro.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: I had thrown that.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: In the club in Magic City, and BRO, show enough.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: As soon as I made that sacrifice, Bro, they open up.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: That's why I learned about the law of attraction. That's
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: why I learned. BRO. Like them people if you vibrate
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: on the right level, you walk into like let's say
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: if I brought you, they know how.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: They know that I know how they are about the circle.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Right, and they'll come over there and they'll ask you.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: They'll be like, what you do for a living? You know,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: all in a company, they earn your leisure. We're trying
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: to you know this. They'd be like, all right, next thing,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: you know, they'll hand your phone and it'll be the
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: CEO or the biggest company in the world and what
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: they told me is that they don't want it back
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: from me. They get it back from the universe if
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: you're a right person, like they they the only thing
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: they didn't like about me was my music. It's like,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: you gotta stop doing that music. It's negative, Like we
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: don't really do negative, but you're so special. And they
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: were the ones that taught me that I came back
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: to America and started doing my black friends the way
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: that they taught me. Like, Bro, if you writing a movie,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I got a house in Mississippi that I never go to. Bro,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: won't you go down there and just just go down
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: there and write your movie? Here go my keys. The
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: only thing I asked is whatever money that you was
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: gonna pay to rent a car or whatever get at
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: to this organization. That's the type of people that I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: started being around, Bro, And when I started living that
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: kind of life, Bro, money and opportunity just came to me.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: That's probably we got to meet them. They hard to meet.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: But let me tell you one other thing that they
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: do that I think is dope. Bro. They'll get together
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: and we don't think like this. They'll all get together
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: and be like, Yo, let's let's go to Europe. They'll
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: be like that, all right, man, what you would have
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: paid for the w Let's all put our money together
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: and rent a castle. That's the kind of shit that
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: is genius and in actuality when you really look at
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: it and put it together. The castle would probably end
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: up being cheaper if it's twelve of us and they
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: when we're barling in the castle. Bro.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: But we want to keep it to ourselves, and that's slavery.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Stunning is a habit. You like me?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Well, there is one book that kind of debunks what
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: you just said.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: You deserve to be rich, written.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: By Troy Millings and Rachell Blow you the town's bestseller
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: for the record.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: You're going by it rich boys, for sure, but.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: Y'all the one that's doing it though. So you all
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: are the exception to the rule. And that's the only
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: reason why I'm here. Just love my brother.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you, David Banner. Ladies and gentlemen. Always a
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: pleasure that any time we get to chop it. I mean,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: we got we gotta speak more often, man.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: But this is special. I can't wait to see this.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Just one more question before we leave, one more because
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know it's something that I'm missing. I feel
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: like I'm missing.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I was trying to get the Krit story out.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: We kind of went around it. We really didn't answer
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: none of the questions. But I brought it back up
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: because we were having a conversation before we started, and
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, stop, I want the people to hear that,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: because it was important for a couple of reasons. Number one, brotherhood,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: but the other one was introspection and retrospect, like, I'm
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: looking at this differently because a contemporary has showed me
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: something I didn't though.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Well, Bro, I honestly think that Krick is one of
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: the dopest artists on his planet. And I've told him
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: this to his face so I can say it on camera.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: I had to tell Krit that you are a generational talent.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: He reminds me of BB King.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: He reminds me of just Bro. Just just some artists
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: that take a minute, Bro, you know, but they're going
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: to be here for the rest of their life. If
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Krick chose to rap at eighty, I think he would
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: be just fine. Bro. And so I told Krick man, like,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: you gotta star competing, Bro, You ain't got to compete
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: with them.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: They are not you.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: They'll had this moment think about all those artists that
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: was so much more successful than me when I came out,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: but they couldn't give away an album. They would pay
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: y'all to get on here and couldn't get on here. Bro.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: And so that's the type of artist that Krit is.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: And so me and Krit talk a lot, bro, and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Krit told me he was like, I'll tell you the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: most important thing he told me. And I ain't even
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: know that Chris thought about me this way. Krit was like, Banner,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: no matter what you do, you are a threat to America,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: he said. Whether you he said, whether you were revolutionary
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: or not, whether you spoke your mind or not. You
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: are six foot two, articulate, thoughtful black man. That's a problem,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: you know. And when I was going through my depression,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Krit was the one that told me that I probably
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: need to move out of my house.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: I probably would have still been in.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: That house depressed. He said, like, Bro, like it was
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: a big house, Bro, like a big, beautiful house. And
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: he was like, Bro, you don't know what spirits are
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: in there, and it may be the house. And I
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: think he was right because I went back to the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: house after I moved out of it.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: This house is clearly some people's dream house.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: It was in the North Georgia Mountains and it was
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: on top of the mountain.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: And I've never seen this nowhere in the world. I've
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: gone in the morning.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Right at about five thirty six o'clock when the sun
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: hits the top of the mountains, the whole sky turns
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: red dog like it's Mars or something. Such a beautiful house,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: and it's just spiritually wasn't right. And Krit was like, Bro,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: you gotta you may have to get out of that house.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: And I moved out of that house because of Crit
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: and between you know, some of the stuff Krit said,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: my mentor, and the stories I've told about method man Bro.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: And I like to give a shout out to to
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: styles p Let's I'd like to give a shout out
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: to Jazzy Jeff. Jazzy Jeff brought me to his house, y'all.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: I told him to his face, I ain't doing no
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: fucking music. I ain't no artist, no mong fucking actor.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: I ain't doing no verses, I ain't doing no beats.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: And he just looked at me and like, yeah. I
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: ended up doing two verses the beat.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: But jazz he told me something. I was so dope.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: He said, banner music hasn't done anything, but bless you.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Now the business of music.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this before because I know
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: you gotta go. But my last question is Sinners. You
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: talked about Sinners. One of the underlying themes in that,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: to me at least, was that the music attracted the devil,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: and that's why his father didn't want him to play music.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: Do you think that the music, especially the music that
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: we're listening to now, is a gateway to negativity devil activity,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: or like you think that is a light for that.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: But no, but bro, it wasn't. But see, that's the
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: thing about it. It wasn't the type of music he
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: was doing. Because if you look at the dance when
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: everybody came together, it was all types of music. It
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: wasn't just rap music it was it was the Native
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: American music. It was all of these different types of music.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: So what it is is that, first of all, people
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: forget if you think if the devil existed in the
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: way that they say that it did, what was the devil? No,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: in general, angel what music of music exactly?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: So that's some people say that.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: So not that music, it's music in general and the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: fact that in actuality, Bro, I don't like saying this
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: But I will only because you asked me.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: If you go back and research music. Music was never
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: meant for public consumption. Music was meant for spiritual, for communication,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: doing times of war, it was it was spiritual. And
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: I have a friend who actually is a chiropractor and
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: he can manipulate your bones by using certain frequencies. So
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: what we got to understand, Bro, we don't even know
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: because we don't study, Bro, the frequencies that we're dealing
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: with a lot of times, Bro, and what it actually
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: does to the human body.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: So I think when it came to centers, Bro, it
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: wasn't the type of music that we do because honestly,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: we are at war and this is war music. The
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: problem that I had with music is music was supposed
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: to to represent the time that we're in. Like during
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: the time when Bad Boy and Stuff was out, we
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: were the first generation in America in recent times that
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: had disposable money. We was their first generation. Our parents
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: got the jobs, but they really hadn't got the residual
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: effects of that brand yet so bad Boy at the
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: time was necessary NWA saying fuck the police. Nobody else
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: had ever done that. We needed that at the time.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: But when you see it being commercialized and it being
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: used by the same system that.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: It was meant to, right, and it became and it
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: was mechanized, I honestly think, and I don't say this much,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: that music is actually from the right hand of the government. Now, Bro,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: if you really think about it, bro, like, if you
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: really look at it from because I know that you
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: are men of numbers, right, bro, Niggas in bitches well,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: let's say, niggas in bitches are probably no just as important.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: It's important, Seriously, Niggas and bitches are only about at
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: the most get in the twenty percent of our culture.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Let's think about it seriously, right, But we talk about
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: that form of people ninety percent of the time. Yeah, right,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: you understand what I'm saying. So the problem isn't that
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: is the pact. It's the fact that it's been is
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: being weaponized. And then the fact that people see that
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: we can make money off off of the weaponization of
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: our music, They're gonna go get the bread, bro, That's
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: what I saw. So when I saw appreciable.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: This is a specific scene when they're like, just give
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: us him and we'll leave everybody else. Because he had
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: the purest form of music, even though it was perceived
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: as secular to his parents. It was the purest form,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: which is one second and.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Jordan, Just so you know, they're not worried about me
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: saying niggas and bitches. They worried about me saying cracker,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: So you ain't got to worry about it. Who's that, No,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: just people in general. He ain't not worried about this,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: So don't worry about when I said niggas and bitches. Yeah,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: which is why at the end that scene where Michael B.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Jordan's in the kouji, right, and it was very intentional
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: how he was styled. It was like, oh, they've got that,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: they've got it. They took it from us, right because
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: he's I left him alone. He's still pure, but he's
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: been dumb down now to now he's just doing nightclubs, right,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: which isn't the most popular form. But the guy win
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: the koochie. Oh wait, it's in hip hop. Well watch
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: this the way you where I didn't see that, but
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: I did see what do you call the things in
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: the movies where you give away the secrets, what do
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: you call those? Come on, bro, help me the little
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: special things that said movies that's hidden the east, Yeah,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: the little easter b They said something that was so
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: dope that I didn't realize, which makes your theory probably right.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: They said, if you look in the mirror on that scene,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: his reflection was gone too.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: Who's the reflection preacher boy?
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: Because you remember it was him the white girl and
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: preaching boy and they were sitting in front of the
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: big long mirror in front of the bar, right if
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: you look, everybody's But what they say happened was that
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: you remember the scene after that we're giving away the movie.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: But but but you remember when he was in the church.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: You saw that if you remember, he looked up and
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: they were saying that it was a spirit, that it
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: was a spirit in the sky, and that was when
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: he gave his spirit away. But what I'm saying is
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: is that either way, what I'll tell you is that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: that same music that we're talking about can be what
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: leads us to revolution, be helpful, it can be what
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: leads somebody to God. That's all that they were saying.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: They want you, so we can use your music for
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: what we want to use it for, and so it's
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: powerful within itself. It's the same way that and I'm
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: glad that we can end it like this. I believe
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: it's the same thing with money. Money ain't ain't is
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: it negative. It's the spirit and what you put into
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: it and how you get it. It's a frequency, it's
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: a currency, you know, and you have to earn your.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: Leisure and gentlemen. Another legendary episode David, Oh hey, you
• 1:24:00
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