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Murder In Moscow: Fox News Digital And It's Multipart Series On The Murders · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Ever
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  Speaker 1: since the murders in Moscow occurred, we have seen several
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  Speaker 1: different programs pop up in the aftermath. And in today's episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a new program that just
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  Speaker 1: premiered on Fox News Digital that's diving right back into
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  Speaker 1: the murders. Now, of course, we're not learning anything new, right?
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing new to learn. If there was anything new
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  Speaker 1: to learn, we'd certainly have it in those core documents.
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  Speaker 1: But Unfortunately, with the gag order and the restrictive nature
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  Speaker 1: of that gag order, it's very difficult to ascertain what's
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  Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes. And the only way to
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  Speaker 1: even get an idea is to follow along with those
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  Speaker 1: core documents. But a lot of times things are filed
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  Speaker 1: to the docket under seal. So if something's filed under seal,
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  Speaker 1: obviously we're not going to get a look at it.
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  Speaker 1: So most of the time with these specials, they're just
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  Speaker 1: rehashing things that we have already heard and going over
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  Speaker 1: things once again. But considering all of the information in
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  Speaker 1: this case, and how much is going on, giving the
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  Speaker 1: information a double take is never a bad idea. So,
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  Speaker 1: let's dive into our article from Fox News, and let's
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  Speaker 1: see what author Taylor Penley has for us. This article
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  Speaker 1: was published by Fox News, and the headline, Ultimate Evil
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  Speaker 1: Meeting Ultimate Innocence, Inside the Mind of Idaho Murder Suspect
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger. Former LAPD detective Mark Furman remains on the
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  Speaker 1: Idaho college murder case as the mystery shrouded saga continues
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  Speaker 1: with suspected killer Brian Kohlberger's fate resting in the hands
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  Speaker 1: of the justice system. Well, better than the fate of
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  Speaker 1: those college kids resting in the hands of Brian Kohlberger, right?
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  Speaker 1: At least he's going to get a fair shake. Those
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  Speaker 1: college kids? Not so much. And Mark Furman, really? Of
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  Speaker 1: all the yahoos you could get to talk about the case,
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  Speaker 1: we have to have Mark... Frickin' Furman. Okay, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: but why would anyone take what this guy has to
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  Speaker 1: say seriously? But Koberger and his motives largely remain a mystery.
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  Speaker 1: Furman set out to unmask him, bit by bit, in
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  Speaker 1: three new Fox Nation series about the Idaho murder investigation. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that Mr. Furman here uncovered a whole bunch
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  Speaker 1: of stuff we had no idea about. We tried to
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  Speaker 1: get into his head. Who is he? We tried to
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  Speaker 1: get into his digital footprint. What is it he actually
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  Speaker 1: told everybody for years? And then really, where are we
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  Speaker 1: in this case? Defense, prosecution, and police. Unfortunately, this ultimate
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  Speaker 1: evil meeting, ultimate innocence, and that is what's really throwing
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  Speaker 1: it into national awareness. And it's a really tragic case,
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  Speaker 1: he told Fox News' Lawrence Jones on Tuesday. Well, for me,
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  Speaker 1: I think that Brian Kohlberger never meant to kill four people.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion, he went there to kill Maddie. And
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  Speaker 1: everything spiraled out of control. He figured that if he
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  Speaker 1: killed one person, it wouldn't be that big of a
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  Speaker 1: deal as far as national news goes. And he'd be
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  Speaker 1: able to get away with it because the Moscow police
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to figure out who did it. But
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  Speaker 1: once he killed four people, well, that changed things, right?
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  Speaker 1: Now the FBI is involved. It's international news. Everybody wants
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  Speaker 1: to know what happened. So things didn't really go the
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  Speaker 1: way Brian Koberger thought they would go. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: buy this whole no motive thing. and him not knowing
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  Speaker 1: these girls prior to these attacks taking place. And it's
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  Speaker 1: also my opinion that he first ran into Maddie at
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  Speaker 1: the Mad Greek. We've talked about that before. And then
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  Speaker 1: People Magazine came out with a source pretty much corroborating
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  Speaker 1: that point of view. So I believe that he saw
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  Speaker 1: Maddie at this Mad Greek, found out who she was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the age of social media, not very
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  Speaker 1: difficult to do that. And then we see things turn
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  Speaker 1: into what they turned into. So the narrative of no
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  Speaker 1: motive and him not knowing these girls per se, I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe it. And I think once the trial gets here,
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  Speaker 1: that's all going to come out. But just to be clear,
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  Speaker 1: that's just my speculation. I don't have anything to back
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  Speaker 1: that up, but following the breadcrumbs. Speaking to Fox &
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  Speaker 1: Friends co-host Furman, a former detective, author, and radio talk
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  Speaker 1: show host, best known for his role in investigating the
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  Speaker 1: 1994 murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, In
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  Speaker 1: the O.J. Simpson case, said the focus of the series
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  Speaker 1: includes people who have contacted, interviewed, and been around people
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  Speaker 1: like Brian Kohlberger. Been around people like Brian Kohlberger, but
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  Speaker 1: not around Brian Kohlberger? Seems to me that this whole
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  Speaker 1: program is nothing more than a reach to try and
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  Speaker 1: get some traffic to the site, right? Oh, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Moscow murders, let's not add anything new to it,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll make pretend that Mark Furman's helping out.
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  Speaker 1: There was absolutely no connection between Koberger and these four victims.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just tragic, Furman said. Again, I don't believe that.
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  Speaker 1: So what he's saying is that the connection on Instagram, allegedly,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Brian Koberger was seen at the MSU,
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  Speaker 1: the student union, over at the University of Idaho, these
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  Speaker 1: are all just coincidences. He was just showing up there
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  Speaker 1: because he wanted to. Or was he there stalking Maddie?
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  Speaker 1: And in my opinion, he was there stalking Maddie. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we won't know one way or the other, right, until
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  Speaker 1: we get to the trial. And once we get to
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  Speaker 1: that point, all of this is going to be ironed out.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger stands accused of brutally claiming the lives of four
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  Speaker 1: Idaho college students after a home invasion in November of 2022.
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  Speaker 1: DNA on the K-Bar knife sheaths recovered from the room
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  Speaker 1: where 21-year-old best friends Madison Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves were
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  Speaker 1: slain match Kohlberger. And there's no rhyme or reason. as
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  Speaker 1: to why that sheath would be where it was found,
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  Speaker 1: with Brian Kohlberger's DNA on it. And until him and
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  Speaker 1: his team can explain that away, nobody really wants to
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  Speaker 1: hear BS from him, right? Nobody wants to hear the nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: How did the sheath get there? Please explain that. And
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  Speaker 1: until you can explain that, everything else you're saying is
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  Speaker 1: just a bunch of BS as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 1: He also stands accused of killing Zanna Kernodle, 20, and
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend Ethan Chapin, also 20, who were spending the
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  Speaker 1: night at the Idaho residence. The 29-year-old former criminology PhD
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  Speaker 1: student has since spent over a year behind bars in
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  Speaker 1: the Latah County Jail in Moscow, Idaho. And my suspicion is,
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  Speaker 1: as he was murdering Maddie and Kaylee, that caused all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of noise, right? Zanna was still awake, she came
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  Speaker 1: out after the door dash, he ran into her, ended
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  Speaker 1: up killing her, and Ethan, that wasn't planned either. And that,
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  Speaker 1: of course, launched this into the type of investigation that
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  Speaker 1: we see right now. Do you really think that all
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  Speaker 1: of this interest would have been paid if it was
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  Speaker 1: just one person who was murdered? Now, don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 1: they would have been investigating it. But do you think
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  Speaker 1: there would have been the fervor that we've seen in
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  Speaker 1: the aftermath of this if it was just one person
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  Speaker 1: who was murdered? So it's always been my speculation that
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  Speaker 1: his target was, at first I thought it was Kaylee.
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  Speaker 1: but then after, you know, all the evidence that we've seen,
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  Speaker 1: I have no doubt at this point that it was Maddie.
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  Speaker 1: And I just think everything went south for Kohlberger, starting
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  Speaker 1: with Kaylee being there on the night of the murders. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee had moved out at this point, and she was
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  Speaker 1: just there staying the night to show Madison her new car.
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  Speaker 1: Mystery entrouds the case long after it claimed the spotlight
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  Speaker 1: and riddled the law enforcement community with questions that largely
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  Speaker 1: remain unanswered, including what was Kohlberger's motive. And again, Like
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  Speaker 1: we just discussed, I think it was Matty. His infatuation
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  Speaker 1: with Matty led him to do what he did at
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  Speaker 1: that house located at 1122 King Road. Furman, determined to
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  Speaker 1: answer some of those questions and give the case a
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  Speaker 1: closer look, sat down to unpack its details in previous
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  Speaker 1: Fox Nation installments as well, including last year's Moscow murders,
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  Speaker 1: convicting a killer, where he highlighted major missteps the suspect
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  Speaker 1: took when carrying out his crimes. So basically just telling
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  Speaker 1: us what we all know already, right? Dude made a
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  Speaker 1: lot of mistakes. And again, I think the impetus for
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  Speaker 1: all of that is that he wasn't prepared to do
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  Speaker 1: what he ended up doing. He made every mistake you
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  Speaker 1: could make. He was connected to the vehicle. He left
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  Speaker 1: his DNA. He left his murder weapon sheath. A witness
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  Speaker 1: saw him. He didn't eliminate the witness. He got in
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  Speaker 1: over his head. He killed more victims than he thought.
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  Speaker 1: And he stalked them. And it was printed all over
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  Speaker 1: his cell phone. And that's just what we know. Former
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  Speaker 1: FBI investigator Bill Daley told Furman at the time. So
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  Speaker 1: how is it that Furman says that there is no
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  Speaker 1: connection with Bill Daley telling him right here that he
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  Speaker 1: stalked them, that he was looking at all of their
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  Speaker 1: social media, that he's imprinted on their phone. But no,
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  Speaker 1: there's no connection. What does that even mean? And who's
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  Speaker 1: buying that? Now, I guess there's people out there that
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  Speaker 1: still want to roll with that narrative, obviously. But to me,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's relatively obvious that there was a connection.
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  Speaker 1: and the only thing that we have to figure out
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  Speaker 1: now is was that connection completely digital, or did Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger run into Maddie and Kaylee at the Mad Greek
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  Speaker 1: or somewhere else? Kohlberger's public defenders previously filed a pretrial
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  Speaker 1: appeal with the Idaho Supreme Court claiming prosecutors indicted their
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  Speaker 1: client improperly on four counts of first-degree murder and a
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  Speaker 1: single count of burglary. The defense team also argued that
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  Speaker 1: Grand jurors found the higher legal standard of guilt beyond
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  Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt instead of the widely accepted standard of
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  Speaker 1: probable cause in order to indict their client. After a
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  Speaker 1: judge struck down the measure, the team appealed to the
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  Speaker 1: Idaho Supreme Court, who later rejected their request. And there
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  Speaker 1: was no way that that was ever going to be
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  Speaker 1: something that the Idaho Supreme Court gave to Brian Koberger.
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  Speaker 1: They're not going to get rid of that precedent that's
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  Speaker 1: already been shown, not only at the district court level,
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  Speaker 1: but with the appeals court. So there's no way that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to see the Supreme Court come in and
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  Speaker 1: just change precedent unless it's something that's absolutely egregious. To
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  Speaker 1: learn more about the ongoing case, Digital Shadows, Brian Koberger's
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  Speaker 1: online secrets, Savage Instincts, The Mind of Brian Koberger, and
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  Speaker 1: Moscow Murders Behind Bars are streaming now on Fox Nation.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, well, there it is. A little more
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  Speaker 1: content for you. If you are looking for a new
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  Speaker 1: program about the murders in Moscow, there you have it.
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  Speaker 1: As for this one, well, that's going to do it.
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  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
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  Speaker 1: be found in the description box.