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Titanic: VHS Tape 1 · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the Beck doldcast, the questions asked if movies have
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Speaker 1: women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and
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Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef in
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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the beck del cast. Hello friends,
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Speaker 1: Titanic doesn't make that noise. That's noises from SpongeBob SquarePants. Sure,
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Speaker 1: but Titanic makes like a what yes, yes, now that
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Speaker 1: you now that you do that, I do remember that? Yes. Welcomecast.
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Speaker 1: Here we are Titanic Volumes seven. Um, so here's what
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Speaker 1: has happened listeners. We recorded an episode that is very
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Speaker 1: long on Titanic, so we are naturally breaking it up
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Speaker 1: into two episodes. You might even call them to VHS tapes,
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Speaker 1: kind of like a tape one tape two. And what
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Speaker 1: I think you're going to find as you listen to
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Speaker 1: these two episodes over the course of the next two
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Speaker 1: weeks is some listeners are going to skew a little
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Speaker 1: more tape one, other listeners are going to skew a
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Speaker 1: little more tape two. And it just kind of depends
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Speaker 1: on what your genre preferences are. Do you do you
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Speaker 1: like a solid recap or do you like unmitigated action? Chaos.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's this episode has everything, and I really
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Speaker 1: I mean Caitlin, I'm sure we talked about this in
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Speaker 1: the episode also, but every single year when we do
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Speaker 1: this episode again, we always think this is the year
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Speaker 1: that we will have nothing to talk about and we
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Speaker 1: will have to sort of start easing off of the
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Speaker 1: Titanic episodes. But guess what, as if this maybe our
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Speaker 1: longest yet, we maybe have more to say than ever before,
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Speaker 1: which is kind of I was honestly kind of shocked.
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Speaker 1: Not me. I know that our titan episodes show like
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Speaker 1: exponential growth or like you know, like something about like
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Speaker 1: compounded interests that one grain of rice. I'm not a
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Speaker 1: person in stem, but I do understand enough math to
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Speaker 1: know that our Titanic episodes will always get longer and
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Speaker 1: longer and longer. And that's just science. There's going to
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Speaker 1: be more and and as we record this today, not
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Speaker 1: to shock everyone, but we're going to see Titanic in
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Speaker 1: a gigantic group tonight. Caitlin spearheaded the operation, and I
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Speaker 1: think we've just about filled the theater with people that
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Speaker 1: we know who want to see Titanic because guess what,
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Speaker 1: everyone wants to see Titanic, not fools exactly. I emailed
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Speaker 1: all of my friends and I said, treat this as
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Speaker 1: though it's my wedding. I'm not going to actually have
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Speaker 1: a wedding. This is the equivalent of the big romantic
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Speaker 1: event of my life. You don't have to bring me gifts,
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Speaker 1: but you can if you want, and please just make
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Speaker 1: sure calm and support me on this day, the best
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Speaker 1: day of my life. So that's what top in this evening.
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Speaker 1: I can't wait. I mean, I hope that you're wearing
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Speaker 1: a gown or a talks I mean, look whatever, I'm
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Speaker 1: cosplaying as Fabritto, which yes, I mean, and that's that's
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Speaker 1: a solid fit it really And I would like to
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Speaker 1: have a wedding some day. But I would also like
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Speaker 1: to make people watch Titanic at it. Um. Wouldn't that
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Speaker 1: be a horrific that would be on scale with the
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Speaker 1: Titanic in terms of an inescapable hostage situation where everyone
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Speaker 1: is like praying for death. Um, disagree, disagree. I think
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Speaker 1: that people will be yeah, well you'll be you'll be cheer,
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Speaker 1: You'll be doing a rocky horror picture show kind of
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Speaker 1: thing in front, which honestly, I think we've filled this
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Speaker 1: theater enough that I mean the poor to other people.
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Speaker 1: But we could do a full rocky horror like Jack
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Speaker 1: and Rose. We've I mean, we've read, we've done the
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Speaker 1: script before. We've been wanting to do a live show.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what we'll end up talking about. Next year's
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Speaker 1: The Titanic from Memory, which would just be a performance
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Speaker 1: of the movie Titanic from us. It's not like we
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Speaker 1: lack the chops. Yeah, we we got this anyway. So
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Speaker 1: what you're about to hear on VHS tape one, the
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Speaker 1: episode that you're listening to right now, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: just Jamie and I doing our history with Titanic and
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Speaker 1: Titanic episodes we've done, which have mostly been on the Matreon,
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Speaker 1: so don't forget to scoot on over to the Matreon.
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Speaker 1: We've done a lot of beautiful there's the drunk one,
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Speaker 1: there's a commentary track. There's the one where we watched
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Speaker 1: the cartoon based off of the Titanic that was made
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Speaker 1: in Italy that makes no sense. We've watched everything, We've
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Speaker 1: done it all. And while I'm plugging stuff, while we're
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Speaker 1: plugging out here, just a sidebar, we did some live
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Speaker 1: shows recently in Portland that we also live streamed with
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Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall and Robert Evans. And guess what if you
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Speaker 1: missed the live dreams, those shows are now on demand.
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Speaker 1: You can buy a ticket to access them on demand,
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Speaker 1: so you can still see them. And if you want
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Speaker 1: to do that, the tickets to access those on demand
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Speaker 1: shows are on our link tree, link Tree slash spectel
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Speaker 1: Cast and you should really check those out because they
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Speaker 1: were and a holler fun. We're gonna be releasing truncated
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Speaker 1: versions of those shows. But yeah, that we did the
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Speaker 1: Goonies with Sarah Marshall so much fun. And then we
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Speaker 1: did the Handah Montana movie with Robert Evans and you're
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Speaker 1: really gonna want to the live stream because we do
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Speaker 1: wear Hannah Montana Wiggs and Robert brought a bunch of
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Speaker 1: knives and that is not going to come through in
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Speaker 1: the audio. Um so you can just need needs to
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Speaker 1: be seen to be believed. A spectacle, much like the
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Speaker 1: movie Titanic. So yeah, oh we're not. I mean and
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Speaker 1: have I listened to Titanic just audio walking around? Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: but it's the same. No, it's not. I wish we
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Speaker 1: could release our live streams in three d but maybe
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Speaker 1: you know, in twenty five years we can really and
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Speaker 1: then you can see me accidentally throw a knife at
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Speaker 1: the audience. You feel like it's coming at you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and and just in general, I mean, to
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Speaker 1: everyone who came to our to our shows in l A,
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Speaker 1: in San Francisco, in Portland, and in Seattle, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much. We had such a good time. We haven't
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Speaker 1: been on like a proper tour in a proper tool
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Speaker 1: in like three years, and it was like such a
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Speaker 1: fun kind of I mean, I don't know, our listeners
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Speaker 1: are the best, so and and and we get you know,
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Speaker 1: we're just talking on our computers most of the time,
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Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh yeah, people listen to this
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Speaker 1: show and it's fun and everyone is so sweet, and
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Speaker 1: so everyone who came, thank you so much. For everyone
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Speaker 1: who didn't come because they don't live in those four CDs,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing more shows soon, so relax. Getting
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Speaker 1: the lifeboat to chill. Carpathia is on the way. That's us. Wow,
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Speaker 1: we have big time Carpathia vibes. Do you think I
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Speaker 1: think I think so. Maybe we're not the biggest boat
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Speaker 1: in the world, but we come to the rescue. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna get your home, babe. You're gonna be so thrilled
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Speaker 1: when we show up, even if we weren't the first choice.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so depressing if you're like the
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Speaker 1: Carpathia in a relationship floppy seconds. Wow, but the Carpathia,
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Speaker 1: I mean, well, I think what a deep cut Titanic
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Speaker 1: joke that was. But that's what the listeners are here for. Yes,
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Speaker 1: so you're about to hear Jamie and I chat about
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Speaker 1: some Titanic movie history, some current events as they relate
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Speaker 1: to the movie Titanic, things like that, some trivia we've
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Speaker 1: never heard of before. And then VHS type number two
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Speaker 1: is a very long Caitlin's famous recap plus Jamie's fun
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Speaker 1: facts corner. Yes, I watched every every single available commentary
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Speaker 1: track for Titanic. It took so many hours. So you
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Speaker 1: have to listen to the episode because my therapist was like,
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Speaker 1: you did what until four in the morning, so you know,
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Speaker 1: so please please support my mental illness. So please validate
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Speaker 1: us by listening to both VHS tape episodes this weekend
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Speaker 1: next and without much further ado, well, here's VHS tape
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Speaker 1: number one. You know, Caitlin, I think you may get
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Speaker 1: your headlines. Caitlin tape one Do Do Do Do Do
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Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Nice. Sorry, I
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Speaker 1: was doing an impression of someone hearing that song for
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Speaker 1: the first time and you're just absolutely blown away. That's me.
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Speaker 1: I feel like that's very like dad energy to be
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Speaker 1: in the audience for Titanic and hearing the intro to
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Speaker 1: that song and just nodding approvingly and being like nice, wow,
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Speaker 1: beautiful music. Sometimes I feel like dad's I mean, this
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Speaker 1: is dad, and I'm generalizing, but sometimes dads just need
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Speaker 1: to like vocalize that they're alive and have registered something
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Speaker 1: in the world. It's like when they slap concrete walls
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Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, it's pretty that's pretty strong, and
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Speaker 1: you're like, can we keep walking? Like can we please
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Speaker 1: stop hitting surfaces and observing noises quite so actively? If
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Speaker 1: that's not your dad, maybe you've met this dad. Look,
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Speaker 1: this is a celebration of that dad. But that's yeah,
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Speaker 1: when the when when dad's I mean, and and in
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Speaker 1: this this fictional dad I just made up. He went
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Speaker 1: to Titanic in theaters, so how bad could he be? He? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he went twice. He went twice. Yeah, because this fictional
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Speaker 1: anecdote takes place in for he's seeing it again and
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Speaker 1: he's it's like but it's like seeing it for the
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Speaker 1: first time. So he's going nice. Oh my gosh, So
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Speaker 1: let's do the main feet episode two, and we're already
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Speaker 1: acting out what if this becomes another Oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: what movie were we trying to talk about for your birthday?
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Speaker 1: And then we just oh, it was Shape of Water. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're about to get off track because I haven't shown you. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: and I know I sent you a picture of it.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, yes, But I received this in the
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Speaker 1: mail the other day. Listeners, this is an audio medium.
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Speaker 1: But what you're looking at, look at this guy. I
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Speaker 1: know it's an action figure of the sexy fish from
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Speaker 1: the Shape of Water. He comes with eggs. Okay, check
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Speaker 1: that ship out. He comes with eggs and an angrier
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Speaker 1: face in case you want to in case you wanted
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Speaker 1: to be mad, in case he's hungry for a cat,
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Speaker 1: and oh when he comes with swimmy feet in case
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Speaker 1: you wanted to take him in the bath. Well, look,
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Speaker 1: I'm wonderful. I really cherished and that and I genuinely.
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Speaker 1: I haven't chosen a display place for him yet, but
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Speaker 1: I think I might just have him kind of like
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Speaker 1: looking at me where I work all day. I think
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Speaker 1: it's just I'm just that's what I've been doing so far,
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Speaker 1: and I feel good about it. That's beautiful. Thank you
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Speaker 1: so much. Um So, this is a reference to if
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Speaker 1: you're not a matron, First of all, what are you
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Speaker 1: doing together? Secondly, one time Jamie and I tried to
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Speaker 1: record an episode on the fish of Water. The fish
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Speaker 1: of water tee my brain, um, the shape of water,
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Speaker 1: and we went off the rails because we started talking
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Speaker 1: about the three eleven crews or something like that. We
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Speaker 1: can't get back into it. But I was like, and
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Speaker 1: it's coming up, but okay, look not today. So we
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Speaker 1: released this very chaotic episode on the Matreon. But today
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Speaker 1: we are focused because it's another Titanic episode. Or is
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Speaker 1: this our seventh Titanic episode? I believe so? Yes, which
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Speaker 1: I can? I may, I may pitch a title for
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Speaker 1: this episode. Oh of course, Titanic seven seven seven. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Okay, I guess we should introduce
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Speaker 1: the show, Yes we should. This is not your average
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Speaker 1: episode listeners, just so you know it's turbo, but it's
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Speaker 1: a yes. Hello. My name is Caitlin Dronte, my name
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Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftus, and this is the Bettel Cast. It
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Speaker 1: is a movie podcast that takes a look at your
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Speaker 1: favorite movies or not using an intersectional feminist lens on
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Speaker 1: a regular day. Today we're looking at the same movie
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Speaker 1: that we both like for the seventh time from a
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Speaker 1: different angle. Now, this is film criticism at its highest level,
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Speaker 1: because it no longer quite makes sense, but it's it's
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Speaker 1: more of just like like many good movies, it's more
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Speaker 1: of a vibe and you either get it or you don't.
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Speaker 1: That's sort of what a Beckdel Cast Titanic episode is like.
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Speaker 1: But we're back and we actually have like normally we
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Speaker 1: would release our Titanic episode in April to line up
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Speaker 1: with uh. Rather morbidly, it's occurred to me the past
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Speaker 1: couple of years, the thinking of the ship because it
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Speaker 1: is an actual event that took place, which not everybody knows,
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Speaker 1: which is shocking, but to line up with the sinking
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Speaker 1: of the ship and my dad's birthday. Um, however, this
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Speaker 1: year you're wondering why now why now? Well, it's because
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Speaker 1: we recently, we as a culture recently observed the anniversary
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Speaker 1: of Titanic, which came out in wait what, well, guess
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Speaker 1: what else came out twenty five years after Titanic. Avatar too,
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Speaker 1: and you can feel whatever way about that that you
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Speaker 1: need to. The point is the Titanic rerelease happened Valentine's Day,
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Speaker 1: and I believe by the time our our treasured listeners
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Speaker 1: are hearing this up said, will we have been together
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Speaker 1: in imax? I believe or is it just shy? It
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Speaker 1: will be within a day or two, if not the day.
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Speaker 1: I'm not totally sure, because we're releasing this episode a
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Speaker 1: few days after the re release of Titanic in theaters.
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Speaker 1: So hot, so horny, yeah, freaking weight, and we will
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Speaker 1: both have gone probably twenty times by the time you're
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Speaker 1: hearing this. Yeah, well probably, But when you're listening to this,
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Speaker 1: if it's sometime in February, it's safe to say that
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Speaker 1: one of us is a Titanic. I I realized it
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Speaker 1: was possible for me to see it in three different states,
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Speaker 1: and I may end up doing that. So that's why
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Speaker 1: the episode is coming out now. We will not be
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Speaker 1: observing Titanic in April, as we normally do, But next
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Speaker 1: year we're back on schedule. It was an emergency though,
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Speaker 1: and so um. But this year we try to mix
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Speaker 1: it up in our Titanic episodes every single time. We
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Speaker 1: do one all six times, and I guess, should we Yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's let's do a little recap of what we've done
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Speaker 1: in the past, shall we? Or should we do a
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Speaker 1: quick like should we stick to the betel cast and
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Speaker 1: be like, what's our history with the movie Titanic? Really quick? Oh? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Is it necessary? Like this might be someone's first episode
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Speaker 1: and they don't know us at always my fear, it's
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Speaker 1: my fear. Really, you go first, you don't buy jump
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Speaker 1: right right? Um? That's my perfect when you know a
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Speaker 1: DiCaprio in distress compression, flawless. My history was Titanic. It's
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Speaker 1: the best movie in the whole world. I love it
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Speaker 1: so much. It was too young to see it in theaters,
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Speaker 1: brag did end up seeing it on the two VHS
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Speaker 1: compilation the Iconic. Watched it with my cousin similar to you,
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Speaker 1: Caitlin spoiler, practically every day for stretches of time. When
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Speaker 1: I was in middle school, I got self conscious about
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Speaker 1: how much I loved the movie Titanic, and so then
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Speaker 1: I masked it by getting really into the boat Titanic.
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Speaker 1: I was like, it's not that I want to kiss,
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Speaker 1: it's that I love the ship carpentry Um, which is
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Speaker 1: an iconic lie that everyone definitely believed. However, to maintain
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Speaker 1: that lie, I did learn a lot about the historic event.
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Speaker 1: I watched A Night to Remember, I read A Night
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Speaker 1: to Remember, whatever, read the Dear America series, all the
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Speaker 1: Titanic expanded universe that felt history adjacent. I also read,
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Speaker 1: while still frantically wanting to kiss everyone in the cast
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Speaker 1: of Titanic. I used to sit on my porch roof
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Speaker 1: every year from April four pm April fift at twenty am.
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Speaker 1: My parents did not like this, but they just realized
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Speaker 1: that it would be easier to let me do it
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Speaker 1: than to tell me I couldn't. And they were like, Jamie,
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Speaker 1: there's so many like clear this is not one of them,
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Speaker 1: but there are so many like clear instances of like
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Speaker 1: mental illness. I showed as a child that my parents
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Speaker 1: were just like, um, she's a very precocious girl, like
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Speaker 1: every single thing, but so like I had speaking to
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Speaker 1: that my child O c D. I had a binder
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Speaker 1: full of facts I had learned about the Titanic that
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Speaker 1: I just sort of had, And when I learned a
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Speaker 1: new one, well, you know, I would write it down
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Speaker 1: and I put it right next to my series of
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Speaker 1: Unfortunate events facts binder that I also had, because I
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Speaker 1: just had a lot of binders full of information that
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Speaker 1: we're also written in this like code I had come
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Speaker 1: up with. So they are it's giving serial killer. It was.
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Speaker 1: It was a little it was a little frightening um.
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Speaker 1: And I say that with empathy for my younger self,
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Speaker 1: but also when I look at these notebooks I still
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Speaker 1: have them, I I do. It's it's bone chilling to
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Speaker 1: look at them, because you're like, Wow, what adorable handwriting
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Speaker 1: that is, Like this could be a threat, like it's
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Speaker 1: r UM used to go to Titanic the exhibit and
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Speaker 1: Orlando every time my family would go to Orlando. I've
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Speaker 1: since been in Vegas. I missed it when it was here.
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Speaker 1: I have seen all the re releases as they came out,
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Speaker 1: so I have seen it in theaters before, but I
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Speaker 1: can't wait to see it again. I even dabbled into
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Speaker 1: trying to get into Avatar for a long time because
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Speaker 1: I wanted to just support Jim. Um. Also, my nickname
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Speaker 1: was Jim in college because I thought James Cameron was
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Speaker 1: so cool Um, And I still kind of like when
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Speaker 1: people call me Jim. It makes I know that it's
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Speaker 1: like there's a weird, little like masculine power itch that
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Speaker 1: I get when someone hits me with the gym. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly right, and I'm gonna and I'm gonna give
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Speaker 1: you an instruction there. I have an inner James Cameron
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Speaker 1: that I'm trying to We all need to kill the
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Speaker 1: landlord in our head and the James Cameron in our head.
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Speaker 1: I love this movie so much. It's the perfect movie.
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Speaker 1: I wrote a part for Billy's ane in the show
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Speaker 1: that never came out like it just the list goes on, Caitlin,
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Speaker 1: what's your history with the movie Titanic? Oh? My goodness,
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Speaker 1: I also deeply, deeply love this movie. I've pretty much
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Speaker 1: cultivated an entire personality around loving this movie and Paddington's
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Speaker 1: are the kind of two Oh is there a reference
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Speaker 1: to Titanic or Paddington's Better Alert Caitlin, because these two
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Speaker 1: movies are my entire personality, um, like as someone who
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Speaker 1: receives five hundred j pegs of Alpha Molina a day,
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Speaker 1: to the point where I'm like, I also, I have
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Speaker 1: a heart, I have a life, I've interests, I've read
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Speaker 1: a book stop um. But also I think that I
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Speaker 1: have a theory that truly like, if you're a public
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Speaker 1: figure in any way, shape or form, people cannot like
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Speaker 1: retain more than three things about you. And that is
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Speaker 1: just kind of like, I don't feel good or bad
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Speaker 1: about it, but it means I'm going to get a
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Speaker 1: picture of a hot dog every single day till I die.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like it's much the same with you
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Speaker 1: Titanic and Paddington, and sometimes we get some pretty good ship.
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Speaker 1: People send us good stuff. I'm not complaining keep sending it.
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Speaker 1: But yes, I love this movie very much. I saw
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Speaker 1: it for the first time in early it was around
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Speaker 1: eleven or twelve. I saw it in a a drive in
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Speaker 1: movie theater and I was like, well, this is the
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Speaker 1: peak of cinema. It's never getting better than this, And
20:23
Speaker 1: you were right. I mean, I feel like you could
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Speaker 1: have to be disproven. It's true. People have gotten close,
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Speaker 1: people have made some good attempts, but this is really
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Speaker 1: the peak. And then my mom bought the two vhs
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Speaker 1: is for me later that year, and I spent every
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Speaker 1: day for an entire summer, often twice a day, watching
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Speaker 1: both vhs is and I've just never looked back. And
20:47
Speaker 1: I watched this movie We've never let Go, and I've
20:49
Speaker 1: never let go, and I would never let go. I
20:52
Speaker 1: watched this movie once a month at least, sometimes more often.
20:58
Speaker 1: I estimate that I've seen it well over a hundred
21:00
Speaker 1: and twenty times. And that's honestly cool of me. We
21:05
Speaker 1: talked about this recently. I think I'm closer to like
21:08
Speaker 1: the hundred mark. Yeah, I probably like get good forty
21:12
Speaker 1: viewings behind you, but I'm coming for you. I do.
21:15
Speaker 1: I do have a few years on you, so that tracks.
21:18
Speaker 1: It's true. There's time, there's time. Um. But yeah, So
21:22
Speaker 1: this is our now seventh episode on Normally, if you're
21:28
Speaker 1: a listener of the show, you know that we only
21:30
Speaker 1: cover each movie once. But Titanic is special. Titanic is
21:35
Speaker 1: the movie of dreams and it is it really is.
21:41
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we will come
21:43
Speaker 1: right back and we are back. Can we should we
21:53
Speaker 1: go over? Kind of our our Titanic episodes that we've
21:56
Speaker 1: done in the past, because we've done quite a few,
22:00
Speaker 1: I do feel the need to, even though I don't
22:03
Speaker 1: think she would be. She's upset, but like a partner,
22:06
Speaker 1: and Trella was our first guest on Titanic episodes, and
22:09
Speaker 1: I feel like we really came in pretty hot in
22:13
Speaker 1: that episode. I just remember, I don't remember really anything
22:17
Speaker 1: we said during the episode. I just remember a frenetic
22:20
Speaker 1: energy that was coursing through the room in a building
22:23
Speaker 1: that has since been demolished by the way, unfortunately, and
22:27
Speaker 1: just catching a glint of panic and a partner's eyes,
22:31
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, a glint that said, oh, no,
22:34
Speaker 1: I thought we were just talking about Titanic. I didn't
22:36
Speaker 1: know we were yelling about Titanic. Yeah. I guess we
22:39
Speaker 1: did not adequately prepare her for what we were going
22:43
Speaker 1: to be like on that episode. Well, also we didn't,
22:46
Speaker 1: to be fair, we didn't fully know and we had
22:49
Speaker 1: we'd never done it. And I think that the fact
22:52
Speaker 1: that we created a seismic kind of energy in that room,
22:57
Speaker 1: it was impossible to know and that but but well
23:00
Speaker 1: was for sure is that we really appreciated a partner
23:03
Speaker 1: tolerating it, and that we had more to say than
23:07
Speaker 1: could fit in the space of a single episode. That
23:10
Speaker 1: was for sure, because that episode came out. If I'm
23:12
Speaker 1: not mistaken in early ishen we've been early okay? Podcast started?
23:21
Speaker 1: Oh right, okay, So flash forward about a year to
23:25
Speaker 1: April fourteen. We released another Titanic episode on the Matreon.
23:32
Speaker 1: Don't remember what we said on that one. I could
23:35
Speaker 1: be anything. If I'm remembering correctly, that was literally just
23:39
Speaker 1: like we didn't have enough time to say this and
23:42
Speaker 1: we were scaring a partner. Um, here's all the extra
23:46
Speaker 1: thoughts that we had. I'm pretty sure that was basically
23:48
Speaker 1: an addendum to the first installment. That makes sense. Flash
23:53
Speaker 1: forward to February twenty nineteen. I don't know why that
23:59
Speaker 1: date was important or like why we can. I guess
24:02
Speaker 1: it's like close to Valentine's Day, but kind of an
24:04
Speaker 1: arbitrary date on our part, kind of chaotic of us. Interesting, Um,
24:10
Speaker 1: this is the Titanic Colon Sunk and Drunk episode because
24:16
Speaker 1: one of our worst, one of our worst, I think
24:19
Speaker 1: one of our worst we've ever released maybe all the
24:23
Speaker 1: I mean, it was definitely one of the worst ones
24:24
Speaker 1: we've ever recorded. But thanks to the power of editing, Yes,
24:28
Speaker 1: it turned out okay, I think. I now that's an
24:31
Speaker 1: episode I don't remember, like, not because it happened a
24:33
Speaker 1: long time ago, but because we were so drunk and
24:36
Speaker 1: crying on the sunken drunk one. I remember the feeling
24:40
Speaker 1: of it. We did we, I remember that we were in.
24:43
Speaker 1: That was back when we used to record all of
24:44
Speaker 1: our Matrion episodes in your bed. Yeah, so we would
24:48
Speaker 1: have been getting drunk in your bed. Yes, which, look,
24:52
Speaker 1: it's happened before, it will happen again. But that was Yeah,
24:56
Speaker 1: that was a wild one. That was a wow. I
24:57
Speaker 1: don't I don't have I I remember nothing. You cannot
25:02
Speaker 1: take me to court over it. Later that month, oh
25:05
Speaker 1: my god, because we've dedicated an entire month to Titanic
25:09
Speaker 1: episodes on the Matron. So February we released our Titanic
25:14
Speaker 1: audio commentary. See. I think we had to do it
25:16
Speaker 1: in two parts because it was so long. This is
25:18
Speaker 1: I think the peak of our Titanic content, because if
25:21
Speaker 1: you haven't listened, this is I guess a long ad
25:24
Speaker 1: for our Matron. But people to this day still still
25:28
Speaker 1: use that commentary track Every once in a while. I
25:31
Speaker 1: heard they're like, guess what I did last night, and
25:33
Speaker 1: it's like, I feel like I should mail them something.
25:36
Speaker 1: I feel like I should mail everyone who's ever listened
25:39
Speaker 1: to that in edible arrangement. Um, for sure, i'd cry
25:43
Speaker 1: a lot I remember that. Yes. So those were the
25:46
Speaker 1: two episodes from February nineteen. Yes, now we move along
25:51
Speaker 1: to On September, we released the YouTube link of the
26:00
Speaker 1: live reading that we did of the script. Yeah, some
26:04
Speaker 1: of the greats, some of the great Yes, indeed, highly
26:07
Speaker 1: recommend you gotta check it out. Then on April fourte
26:11
Speaker 1: so we're back on track as far as the day goes,
26:15
Speaker 1: we released something called Another Titanic Episode col Edition. Yes,
26:21
Speaker 1: and that was that was what exactly what if? That was?
26:26
Speaker 1: What did we do? Well? That was? That was that
26:29
Speaker 1: was Tentacles. That was when we found was it not?
26:32
Speaker 1: That was when we found what is the name of
26:34
Speaker 1: We found an Italian animated rip off of It's a
26:39
Speaker 1: combination of I think an American tale Titanic and then
26:43
Speaker 1: what else a little bit of Little Mermaid thrown in there.
26:45
Speaker 1: But it's not super because basically, if you haven't heard
26:50
Speaker 1: of that movie, it's about it's it's it's lightly revised
26:54
Speaker 1: history in which everyone on the Titanic lives due to
26:57
Speaker 1: a gigantic depressed to Puss named tentacles holding the Titanic
27:03
Speaker 1: together with his gigantic meaty tentacles while almost crying, and
27:09
Speaker 1: then he dies, and then he dies, and James Cameron
27:16
Speaker 1: he wishes it wasn't heard from for many years, you wish.
27:20
Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting that after that that movie
27:23
Speaker 1: came out, James Cameron was not heard from for many
27:26
Speaker 1: years because he was so jealous. He he literally was
27:33
Speaker 1: so embarrassed that he didn't think of that that he
27:35
Speaker 1: moved to New Zealand. Yeah, Avatar was not supposed to
27:41
Speaker 1: take place in New Zealand, but he was like, I
27:44
Speaker 1: will never recover from this great chance. I would, Oh
27:48
Speaker 1: my god, how much money would you pay to watch
27:50
Speaker 1: James Cameron watch that movie? Every cent? I had? Wow,
27:57
Speaker 1: I I would, I would dump. I would really, I
27:59
Speaker 1: would really make a big financial mistake for that, because
28:02
Speaker 1: I do feel like he seems like he's a little
28:04
Speaker 1: he's he's he's got a reputation of having a very
28:07
Speaker 1: short fuse, which I think is scary in some cases,
28:09
Speaker 1: but in this case, Oh what I love to see
28:11
Speaker 1: him flip a table over this, it would be a treat.
28:16
Speaker 1: This is also on this episode when we I get
28:20
Speaker 1: I give a brief overview of Titanic two, which is
28:25
Speaker 1: the disaster movie that is really bad but fun to
28:29
Speaker 1: watch because of how bad it is. We also talk
28:32
Speaker 1: about The six which is a documentary that we still
28:38
Speaker 1: it's still not widely available from what I've been able to. Yeah. Um,
28:42
Speaker 1: but it's a documentary about the six Chinese survivors who
28:46
Speaker 1: were on the Titanic, who were able to escape the shipwreck.
28:50
Speaker 1: But then we're vilified by the press and then we're
28:55
Speaker 1: refused entry to the US, and these people were largely
29:00
Speaker 1: erased from the history books and just like the historical
29:04
Speaker 1: and popular narratives about Yeah, yes, I would still really
29:08
Speaker 1: like to see that. Yeah, I've never I mean, if listeners,
29:11
Speaker 1: if you have a way of watching it, we would
29:13
Speaker 1: really like to see it. Indeed, and the Titanic six
29:18
Speaker 1: six six would have been last year, if I'm remembering correctly. Okay, okay, Jamie,
29:21
Speaker 1: is there another one? No? No, we never actually talked
29:28
Speaker 1: about Titanic six six six, the full movie. We only
29:31
Speaker 1: talked about the trailer and then you and I watched
29:34
Speaker 1: it together. We watched the movie, but what for fun?
29:38
Speaker 1: For fun made the best time. We had an absolute blast,
29:42
Speaker 1: but there is no episode dedicated. I also had this thought.
29:47
Speaker 1: I thought we had covered Titanic six six six on
29:49
Speaker 1: an episode, but we did not yet do that. I'm
29:52
Speaker 1: kind of beside myself at that news. I was like,
29:56
Speaker 1: my my memory has been like really bad lately. But
30:00
Speaker 1: I was like, surely I'm not wrong about this, and
30:03
Speaker 1: yet both our brains have cratered in the past year
30:06
Speaker 1: in a way that has been alarming for both of us.
30:09
Speaker 1: But but I do, okay, I mean, I guess before
30:12
Speaker 1: we get into what we're covering this year in preparation,
30:16
Speaker 1: and I think I did more thorough preparation for this
30:19
Speaker 1: episode than I have in the last at least last year.
30:23
Speaker 1: I spent a good nine hours. I watched Titanic twice,
30:28
Speaker 1: and then I watched three additional hours of featurettes, ETCETERA
30:32
Speaker 1: very sick behavior. But it occurred to me in sort
30:36
Speaker 1: of gathering that information, truly, how much we still have
30:40
Speaker 1: we if we have not talking about talking talked about
30:43
Speaker 1: Titanic six six six, we have never covered a night
30:46
Speaker 1: to remember, we've never covered the Catherine's Ada Jones mini
30:49
Speaker 1: series never covered Titanic the musical. There there is still
30:54
Speaker 1: a wealth of Titanic content that somehow we have not
31:00
Speaker 1: yet put to wax on on this damn show. And
31:04
Speaker 1: so listeners, if you hate this, we've got some bad news.
31:08
Speaker 1: We're like kind of only cracking the surface. Um, you
31:13
Speaker 1: might even call it the tip of the iceberg. Oh well, well,
31:18
Speaker 1: well that would have been the obvious thing to say,
31:21
Speaker 1: and I just it just whipped past my head. Um
31:26
Speaker 1: all right. So but but this this year, we have
31:29
Speaker 1: a couple of things on the agenda. But Kaylie and
31:32
Speaker 1: I kind of found a way to I I would say,
31:36
Speaker 1: kind of combine our our superpowers in order to create
31:41
Speaker 1: a new, robust and thrilling Titanic episode for you this year.
31:45
Speaker 1: So true, so very true. Shall we start with the poster? Yes? Yes,
31:51
Speaker 1: So before we get to well can we can we
31:52
Speaker 1: just like this year, we're doing something we've never done
31:55
Speaker 1: of Titanic before, which is the mega recap. Yes. So
32:01
Speaker 1: if you're twenty six minutes into this episode thinking okay,
32:05
Speaker 1: but what are they going to talk about? It's the
32:08
Speaker 1: longest and most detailed and elaborate recap I've ever written,
32:14
Speaker 1: but it's Titanic. What was I gonna do? And I
32:18
Speaker 1: I know you were working on that for quite some time. Also,
32:21
Speaker 1: I to try and an attempt to kind of compliment that,
32:24
Speaker 1: because we've talked a lot about various myths and bits
32:28
Speaker 1: and bobs surrounding Titanic over the years. I figured this year,
32:32
Speaker 1: as you recap, I watched two commentary tracks for this movie.
32:37
Speaker 1: That's why I watched Titanic twice yesterday. The first one
32:40
Speaker 1: was with of course Mr Jim, of course alone, no one.
32:45
Speaker 1: The second track has no less than like twelve people
32:49
Speaker 1: on it. It's interesting because they're not all in the
32:51
Speaker 1: same room. I think that twelve people recorded commentaries and
32:54
Speaker 1: then they edited in the most interesting bits to make
32:57
Speaker 1: a super commentary, which was actually pretty cool. It's like
33:00
Speaker 1: the two main producers who are m Ray Sancini and
33:07
Speaker 1: John Landau. It's Kate Winslet, It's Gloria Stewart, It's Francis Fisher,
33:12
Speaker 1: It's Billy Zane, it's Kathy bates Um. It's basically everyone
33:18
Speaker 1: except for Leo. And then it's also some like people
33:21
Speaker 1: that you don't usually hear from on commentary trucks you've
33:24
Speaker 1: got some stuff from James Horner, the composer, You've got
33:27
Speaker 1: some stuff from the cinematographer. You even got some fun
33:30
Speaker 1: stuff from the fully artist, like a very kind of fun, comprehensive.
33:35
Speaker 1: I feel, I feel as if I live, laugh, learned
33:40
Speaker 1: quite a bit beautiful, And so I guess I'll just
33:43
Speaker 1: be piping in. But first we have some Yeah, we
33:46
Speaker 1: we We've got some business. We've got some updates to
33:50
Speaker 1: to give you. Indeed, let's take another quick break and
33:54
Speaker 1: then we'll be back for more. And we are back.
34:04
Speaker 1: So with the re release in theaters of Titanic, a
34:08
Speaker 1: new poster was designed. I don't know who was behind
34:13
Speaker 1: the designing of this poster, but as many people have
34:16
Speaker 1: already pointed out, it's a little weird. Yes, so it's rose.
34:22
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a composite of an existing
34:26
Speaker 1: Titanic poster that like came out in the initial theatrical run.
34:31
Speaker 1: But some weird choices were made, maybe most notably with
34:36
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet's hair. It seems like a composite of Kate
34:39
Speaker 1: Winslet's head, Yes, for sure, because on one half of
34:43
Speaker 1: her hair she has a curly updo, and then on
34:46
Speaker 1: the other side her like soft loose waves are hanging
34:51
Speaker 1: down and it doesn't make any sense. She's facing to
34:56
Speaker 1: the left behind her and like clutching her is jack Um,
35:02
Speaker 1: He's clinging to her for dear life. Also her body
35:06
Speaker 1: so like the placement and proportion of her arms and
35:11
Speaker 1: her torso are very strange, and it looks like her
35:14
Speaker 1: head is on backwards kind of something that's not right.
35:19
Speaker 1: I couldn't even really place what was not quite right.
35:22
Speaker 1: I just it gave me like it felt like watching
35:25
Speaker 1: the Polar Express kind of looking at this poster where
35:28
Speaker 1: you're just like, that's not quite how people are. It's
35:33
Speaker 1: just not quite people really not you know. Jack and
35:37
Speaker 1: Rose also look very just like super imposed together, because
35:41
Speaker 1: like they're hugging or like he's like clutching her, but
35:45
Speaker 1: you can tell that they're not that these are just
35:47
Speaker 1: like two images of these people that were just kind
35:50
Speaker 1: of like glued together in photoshop. And it looks really bad,
35:53
Speaker 1: Like the lighting is strange, like the shadows are like
35:57
Speaker 1: it doesn't match up at all. It looks yeah, and
36:00
Speaker 1: then here's me being very nitpicky. So Jack is shown
36:06
Speaker 1: with handcuffs on his wrist, which means that this is
36:09
Speaker 1: him from the night the ship sinks. On the other hand,
36:14
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, Rose is wearing the outfit she
36:17
Speaker 1: wore the night that she and Jack met, which would
36:20
Speaker 1: have been the iconic reat days before the ship sinks. Right,
36:26
Speaker 1: Because we used to have an issue with where is April,
36:31
Speaker 1: we've since figured out where a The poster I will say,
36:35
Speaker 1: looks like shit, it looks pretty bad. It looks pretty bad.
36:39
Speaker 1: But I will say, but I also think even though
36:41
Speaker 1: the original movie poster for Titanic is so iconic, I
36:45
Speaker 1: have generally preferred fan made posters, the one that you
36:49
Speaker 1: have hanging in your kitchen, Kalin, I like much better
36:51
Speaker 1: than any of the Theatrically. That said, if you work
36:55
Speaker 1: in a movie theater and you have access to the
36:57
Speaker 1: rerelease posters, I will like, I will Bansheese of inn
37:01
Speaker 1: a share and mail you my finger like whatever if
37:05
Speaker 1: if that's what you want. If you don't want that,
37:07
Speaker 1: I won't do it. Which so it's kind of a
37:09
Speaker 1: reverse no, actually he didn't want Yeah, only if you
37:13
Speaker 1: want it. Colin Farrell did not want those fingers, So
37:18
Speaker 1: it's kind of a reversal of It's a it's a
37:21
Speaker 1: requested finger It's not as it would be an interesting
37:26
Speaker 1: movie to cover on this show. It would, I think. Also,
37:31
Speaker 1: you offering to chop off your fingers and mail them
37:35
Speaker 1: to someone in exchange for a poster that you can
37:37
Speaker 1: probably very easily purchase somewhere. No, no, no, it's it's okay, No,
37:48
Speaker 1: this is this is good, this is good for us. UM.
37:53
Speaker 1: I saw a tweet. Every time I say I saw
37:55
Speaker 1: a tweet, I'm like, okay, I'm literally I'm old Rose,
37:59
Speaker 1: I'm five hundred years old. But I saw a tweet
38:02
Speaker 1: that said, like when Harry met Sally, women and men
38:07
Speaker 1: can't be friends. Benche'es of innitiary Ino, men can't be friends.
38:16
Speaker 1: That's good. So yeah, I I will at the posters
38:20
Speaker 1: like freaky, we'll we'll post it on our Instagram if
38:23
Speaker 1: you're interested in checking it out. And then there's one other. Um.
38:27
Speaker 1: I feel like I was honestly kind of surprised that
38:31
Speaker 1: there wasn't more Titanic production news that came out in
38:35
Speaker 1: this last year, because James Cameron was like going on
38:37
Speaker 1: his first press tour in years for Avatar to Weekly
38:43
Speaker 1: Weekly Water and and but Titanic, they really only came
38:49
Speaker 1: up in this in this one story, and it does
38:53
Speaker 1: concern the door. I will say there are few things
38:58
Speaker 1: that I'm less interest like, I'm so bored when people
39:01
Speaker 1: talk when people talk about the door, I tune out,
39:04
Speaker 1: I shut my brain off. I'm so sick of hearing
39:07
Speaker 1: about it. I'm really glad we're on the same page
39:09
Speaker 1: about this. I have always from the minute I watched
39:13
Speaker 1: this movie for the first time as a twelve year old,
39:17
Speaker 1: I was like, it's not about the size of the door. Sure,
39:21
Speaker 1: maybe he could have fit from a surface area standpoint.
39:24
Speaker 1: It's about the bouency. And that brings us to this
39:27
Speaker 1: news story. Well, and then the other thing it tells
39:31
Speaker 1: me before we get into this, right the other when
39:33
Speaker 1: you tell me I have questions about the door and Titanic,
39:36
Speaker 1: you're telling me that you have not watched every single
39:39
Speaker 1: deleted scene. And I don't like you, I don't respect you.
39:42
Speaker 1: It's literally like, even if it were an interesting thing
39:47
Speaker 1: to say, which it isn't. Um if you watch the
39:51
Speaker 1: deleted scenes, there is a very like it made sense
39:55
Speaker 1: that they got rid of the scene and it adds nothing,
39:57
Speaker 1: But there is like a little exchange that addresses he
40:01
Speaker 1: tries to get up. Is like, there, it's addressed. It's
40:05
Speaker 1: not gonna work. The buoyancy is not there. It's even
40:08
Speaker 1: addressed in the text, like there's a there's a moment
40:11
Speaker 1: where like they both try to get on the door
40:14
Speaker 1: flips over. It's clear to both of them that they
40:16
Speaker 1: cannot both be on the door. Jack is like, all right,
40:20
Speaker 1: this is it for me. I'm gonna let her get
40:23
Speaker 1: on the door to increase her chance of survival. And
40:26
Speaker 1: I don't If there's one thing Jack Dawson knows, it's
40:31
Speaker 1: about things in ice water. It's an established element of
40:34
Speaker 1: his character. They brought it up. But but but Jim,
40:39
Speaker 1: you know, people have been talking from Jim's ear off
40:42
Speaker 1: about this for decades, and so he had something to say.
40:46
Speaker 1: He commissioned a study. This is a really fun way
40:51
Speaker 1: to know that you just have too much money. Someone
40:54
Speaker 1: needs to rob him. If he had time and money
40:57
Speaker 1: to do this. But yes, he was like, let's get
41:00
Speaker 1: some forensic analysts on the case. And so I'm gonna
41:06
Speaker 1: um kind of site this. This came up in a
41:09
Speaker 1: few different publications. There was a Washington Post piece about this,
41:13
Speaker 1: there was a piece in Deadline, There was a piece
41:14
Speaker 1: on NPR, like major publications were reporting on this depressing.
41:20
Speaker 1: But basically, he got really sick of everyone being like
41:26
Speaker 1: Jack could have fit on the door at the end,
41:28
Speaker 1: So he commissioned this study where he quote took two
41:34
Speaker 1: stunt people who were the same body mass of Kate
41:37
Speaker 1: and Leo and put sensors all over them and inside them. Okay,
41:44
Speaker 1: and we put them in I watch that. He's like,
41:46
Speaker 1: let me not get more specific about where did they
41:53
Speaker 1: eat them? Was it? And we can still stop there?
41:58
Speaker 1: Did they put little sensors in there? But who can
42:01
Speaker 1: say I would do that for the right price. Give
42:08
Speaker 1: someone my fingers that I've chopped up off to be
42:10
Speaker 1: able to do that. Yeah, I guess I just gave
42:13
Speaker 1: away that I would do a lot of things with
42:15
Speaker 1: my body that you aren't necessary. Okay. So we put
42:21
Speaker 1: sensors all over them and inside them, and we put
42:24
Speaker 1: them in ice water, and we tested to see whether
42:28
Speaker 1: they could have survived through a variety of methods, and
42:31
Speaker 1: the answer was there was no way they both could
42:35
Speaker 1: have survived. Only one could survive. Unquote. There was already
42:41
Speaker 1: a MythBusters episode about this. It came to the same conclusion,
42:46
Speaker 1: like I thought, the MythBusters was like. The MythBusters was like, Oh,
42:49
Speaker 1: if they had tied Roses life jacket to the door,
42:53
Speaker 1: it could have been more floaty and then they both
42:55
Speaker 1: could have been on it. Oh well, I if that's
42:59
Speaker 1: what they said. Oh yeah, what fucking losers that they
43:03
Speaker 1: didn't think to do that when they were sinking on
43:05
Speaker 1: the Titanic. Shut the hell up, MythBusters, bust your ass
43:09
Speaker 1: right open. This is so I mean, I guess I'm
43:14
Speaker 1: glad that hopefully this means people can stop talking about it,
43:19
Speaker 1: although we I think we are very often discussed the
43:21
Speaker 1: second most annoying thing to talk about with Titanic. But
43:24
Speaker 1: we're right, and that's debating about the end. But let's
43:27
Speaker 1: save that for the recap because I have a little
43:29
Speaker 1: bit of commentary things I've unearthed, okay, that I'm looking
43:36
Speaker 1: forward to sharing interesting. I think commissioning the door study
43:39
Speaker 1: is objectively funny. It's really funny. What a gigantic waste
43:46
Speaker 1: of time, um and and money to pay someone to
43:49
Speaker 1: put a sensor in there, but to prove that the
43:52
Speaker 1: movie that you wrote, Uh technically, but I do I will,
43:56
Speaker 1: like I almost listen to a third Titanic commentary and
44:00
Speaker 1: then I had to I would have had to go
44:02
Speaker 1: to the hospital or something like. I couldn't have watched
44:06
Speaker 1: the third But next year or in a future viewing,
44:09
Speaker 1: there is a I think it's like it wasn't like
44:13
Speaker 1: it's not official from Titanic, inc. But there is a
44:18
Speaker 1: historian commentary track for Titanic, So historians are commenting on
44:23
Speaker 1: the movie to like talk about it's like historical accuracies
44:28
Speaker 1: or inaccuracies exactly interesting, which I would be interested in
44:32
Speaker 1: listening to. It's on I mean, and also if you're
44:34
Speaker 1: interested in listening to the commentaries, they're they're both just
44:37
Speaker 1: like on YouTube. I just like sinked it with the
44:39
Speaker 1: movie on YouTube. All right? Is that is that all
44:42
Speaker 1: of our all our business? Have we ever I mean
44:45
Speaker 1: this I I was going to just sort of interrupt
44:48
Speaker 1: the recap at some point, but have we ever fully
44:51
Speaker 1: discussed the chowder incident? I don't think in a lot
44:55
Speaker 1: of detail. And there was a piece on Variety that
44:58
Speaker 1: came out about them on than a half ago at
45:01
Speaker 1: the time of this episode's release. That brings up the
45:06
Speaker 1: So for anyone who doesn't know on the set of Titanic,
45:10
Speaker 1: when they were filming in Nova Scotia, which is where
45:14
Speaker 1: the scenes on The Kell Dish take place when like
45:17
Speaker 1: Bill Paxton and Old Rose are talking about the diamond,
45:21
Speaker 1: you know, like the framing device scenes. Someone drugged the
45:28
Speaker 1: clam chowder that was like the cast and crew meal
45:32
Speaker 1: that night with PCP and a bunch of people ate
45:36
Speaker 1: it and they were all tripping balls, including James Cameron
45:39
Speaker 1: and many other members of the crew. And then there's
45:42
Speaker 1: like this wild story about them at the hospital because
45:46
Speaker 1: they were in this like tiny hospital in Nova Scotia,
45:49
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, this like these Hollywood
45:51
Speaker 1: weirdos like PCP out of their fucking skulls running back
45:56
Speaker 1: and forth between hospital rooms. The poor like staff at
46:01
Speaker 1: the hospital are desperately trying to keep people apart, but
46:03
Speaker 1: they're like he he, like I can smell of colors,
46:07
Speaker 1: and like all the ship and my favorite element there
46:10
Speaker 1: there is at least one. My friend wrote a pilot
46:14
Speaker 1: about this, which I think is the best idea of
46:16
Speaker 1: all time. And then apparently it was investigated by Halifax
46:20
Speaker 1: Police for over two and a half years, which is uh.
46:24
Speaker 1: I think a cab includes whatever the funk that is
46:27
Speaker 1: um because the case is still closed I mean it
46:31
Speaker 1: was closed due to lack of suspects, so whoever it
46:33
Speaker 1: was got away. They never solved the case, No, because
46:37
Speaker 1: their cops, So of course they wasted a ton of
46:40
Speaker 1: state money and never figured out who with the PCP
46:43
Speaker 1: and the chowder. Also, no one can even agree with
46:46
Speaker 1: what the chowder was. Some people say Muscle Paxton says
46:49
Speaker 1: it was clams, the police report says it was lobster.
46:51
Speaker 1: What even was there? Bad Detective Work talked about him
46:56
Speaker 1: James Cameron, of course, being the way that he appears
46:59
Speaker 1: to be, it feels certain that he knows who did it.
47:03
Speaker 1: Oh he said this to Vanity Fair, not to Vanity Fair.
47:08
Speaker 1: Very Fair quoted him, James, I don't have a good
47:12
Speaker 1: James Cameron impression. He doesn't really have like a distinct
47:14
Speaker 1: sounding voice, So you can't really you can't do like
47:17
Speaker 1: a Michael Bay like like. Anyways, we had fired a
47:20
Speaker 1: crew member the day before because they were creating trouble
47:23
Speaker 1: with the caterers, whatever that means. So we believe the
47:26
Speaker 1: poisoning was this idiot's plan to get back at the caterers, whom,
47:30
Speaker 1: of course we promptly fired the next day. So it worked.
47:34
Speaker 1: Unquote Wow, I don't know. I mean, James Karen Marin
47:38
Speaker 1: did have the PCP. Glorious Stewart was on set that day.
47:41
Speaker 1: Fortunately she did not get the PC. Yeah, but apparently
47:45
Speaker 1: there's like all these In the commentary, Bill Paxton, I
47:48
Speaker 1: think really seems to delight in telling this story where
47:53
Speaker 1: at some point there was a point where one of
47:57
Speaker 1: the eight, like when James Cameron was realizing everyone was
48:00
Speaker 1: on PCP, he was like, I'm pissed and he just
48:04
Speaker 1: like stormed away. Did not make sure people wrote he
48:06
Speaker 1: just but I mean, to be fair, he was on PCP,
48:08
Speaker 1: but he stormed away. He bails immediately. Then one of
48:13
Speaker 1: the A d s is in the cafeteria and it's
48:16
Speaker 1: like good crew over here, bad crew over here, trying
48:19
Speaker 1: to like figure out who's on PCP and who isn't.
48:22
Speaker 1: And so people who are definitely sure they're on PCP
48:25
Speaker 1: get to one side of the room, people who are
48:28
Speaker 1: like I'm definitely not on PCP, or on the other
48:29
Speaker 1: side of the room, and then there's some people in
48:31
Speaker 1: the middle they're like, I'm not sure, including including And
48:38
Speaker 1: this is a bizarre connection. But like I always kind
48:42
Speaker 1: of forget and I feel like it's not fair from
48:44
Speaker 1: a crediting standpoint, but like how there's like one credited
48:48
Speaker 1: cinematographer on Titanic, but there's a number of cinematographers who work.
48:52
Speaker 1: And the cinematographer working on the Kelly dish was Zoe
48:57
Speaker 1: Deschanelle's father, Caleb de Chanelle, A moment in history. Zoe
49:02
Speaker 1: Deschanelle's dad was on PCP that day and Bill Paxson said,
49:09
Speaker 1: some people were laughing, some people were crying, some people
49:11
Speaker 1: were throwing up. One minute I felt okay. The next minute,
49:15
Speaker 1: I felt so goddamn anxious. I wanted to breathe in
49:17
Speaker 1: a paperbag. Cameron was feeling the same way. Eventually, we
49:21
Speaker 1: all got put in these cubicles with the curtains around us,
49:23
Speaker 1: but no one wanted to stay in their cubicles. Everyone
49:27
Speaker 1: was out in the aisles and jumping into other people's cubicles.
49:29
Speaker 1: People had a lot of energy somewhere in wheelchairs flying
49:32
Speaker 1: down the hallways. I mean everyone was high. Um, so
49:36
Speaker 1: it just turned into a wild night. And James Cameron's
49:38
Speaker 1: takeaway was because I like, I know that he is
49:42
Speaker 1: no like whatever has a reputation for being tyrannical on set,
49:47
Speaker 1: not being a fun guy to work for, and this
49:49
Speaker 1: was like the only time at this entire shoot on
49:52
Speaker 1: the Calder's that he had given them a lunch break
49:56
Speaker 1: and this happened, and I think he was just like, well,
49:59
Speaker 1: I took away from this is no more lunch. That's illegal.
50:04
Speaker 1: I'm sure to to not look we Yeah, if Oshow
50:08
Speaker 1: wants to get involved, by all means, someone should make
50:11
Speaker 1: sure James Cameron is giving his crew lunch. But I
50:14
Speaker 1: just I feel like the even though the PCP story
50:18
Speaker 1: was like reported on since it happened, like it the
50:21
Speaker 1: first story about it was in Entertainment Weekly, but it's
50:26
Speaker 1: just such a good story that people love to talk
50:30
Speaker 1: about it, and they're right to. Yeah, the Variety piece,
50:32
Speaker 1: I don't think I had any new information. It was
50:34
Speaker 1: just like, hey, it's December two, Titanics being rereleased in
50:40
Speaker 1: theaters some time of years, so remember about that PCP story,
50:44
Speaker 1: PCP chowder. I mean, so much of the production of
50:48
Speaker 1: this movie is like fascinating and great, but that's that's
50:52
Speaker 1: definitely up there. Yeah, all right, shall we? Yes? I
50:56
Speaker 1: have a couple just updates Titanic related up to it's
51:00
Speaker 1: before we get into the recap, as far as like
51:03
Speaker 1: things I've seen or done, and here they are. I
51:07
Speaker 1: went to go see Titanique. Oh yes, in New York City.
51:12
Speaker 1: Ever heard of it? I have, and I've heard of Titanique,
51:15
Speaker 1: but tell the people, Oh my gosh. It is a
51:17
Speaker 1: musical parody of James Cameron's Titanic, as told from the
51:22
Speaker 1: point of view of Selene dion as if she were
51:26
Speaker 1: a passenger on the Titanic in nineteen twelve and was
51:30
Speaker 1: hanging out with Jack and Rose and Ruth and fabritching
51:34
Speaker 1: all the characters. So it's very funny. There's great songs,
51:38
Speaker 1: it's great fun and I love it. So if you
51:43
Speaker 1: live in New York or you get a chance to visit,
51:46
Speaker 1: check out Titanique The Tanique. I also saw a show
51:51
Speaker 1: called Never Let Go. I saw this at the Edinburgh
51:56
Speaker 1: Fringe Festival last year. It is a solo show by
52:02
Speaker 1: Michael Kinnon where he recreates the movie Titanic by himself
52:07
Speaker 1: playing all of the characters. Unbelievable. I love it. So
52:12
Speaker 1: I saw the show and a listener alerted me to
52:15
Speaker 1: the show in the first place, So thank you for
52:19
Speaker 1: letting me know about it, and so I knew to
52:22
Speaker 1: like Check it out when I was in Edinburgh. I
52:25
Speaker 1: saw I loved it. I messaged Michael after the show
52:29
Speaker 1: and demanded that he be my friend. I was just like, hey,
52:34
Speaker 1: I'm also an l A based performer who loves Titanic
52:38
Speaker 1: and we should be best friends. And then he wrote
52:40
Speaker 1: back and he's like, yeah, let's get a coffee or
52:43
Speaker 1: drink or something. And then we did and now we're friends.
52:46
Speaker 1: I love it that Titanic really genuinely does bring people together.
52:52
Speaker 1: It's just a fact. I'm trying to remember the name
52:54
Speaker 1: of the one man Titanic show that I do. Remember
52:58
Speaker 1: when I told you like that I had done like
53:02
Speaker 1: a show in Boston right after a man's one man
53:06
Speaker 1: show about Titanic. Kind of I'll find it someday, I know.
53:11
Speaker 1: I talked about it in one of our five episodes
53:13
Speaker 1: on Titanicum. And then you went to the l A exhibition,
53:16
Speaker 1: to the the one that like travels around. Yes, I
53:18
Speaker 1: went to the Titanic exhibition in l A. It was
53:23
Speaker 1: great fun. I also got another Titanic tattoo or a tattoonic. Yes.
53:30
Speaker 1: Shout out to Ash Valentine, the tattoo artist. It's like
53:35
Speaker 1: a VHS tape that says Titanic Part two on it,
53:40
Speaker 1: because that's your Titanic. We were talking about this last week.
53:43
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm a part Water. Yes. Oh,
53:46
Speaker 1: and shout out to that conversation, which was on Queer Quadrant,
53:50
Speaker 1: a podcast with hosts Jordan's and Brooke. We guested on
53:55
Speaker 1: their episode about Titanic. It was so much fun, so
53:58
Speaker 1: much fun. We talked about quit your undertones in Titanic,
54:01
Speaker 1: we talked about the queer fan base, just all kinds
54:03
Speaker 1: of stuff. Um So, listeners of the Battel Cast check
54:07
Speaker 1: out Queer Quadrant. Well link them, Yeah, and there you
54:13
Speaker 1: have it. That concludes VHS tape number one. Jamie, I
54:18
Speaker 1: believe you may get your headlines. Oh, I've got a
54:22
Speaker 1: feeling I will, Caitlin, I've got a feeling I will
54:26
Speaker 1: cut to Billy Zane Piste in the doorway. But listeners,
54:33
Speaker 1: you won't be hearing that until next week when we
54:36
Speaker 1: begin VHS Tape two. I feel thrilled. I'm a tape
54:40
Speaker 1: one head, so I hope you enjoyed tape one. Caitlin's
54:42
Speaker 1: a tape two head. You're gonna love tape to It's
54:45
Speaker 1: gonna be a blast. So throw this podcast episode. In
54:49
Speaker 1: those did you ever have one of those like tape rewinders?
54:52
Speaker 1: We never did. We did not. Sorry to flex ye brag, okay, sorry,
54:59
Speaker 1: you were a millionaires and we had a tape rewinder.
55:03
Speaker 1: I just couldn't I think that we got the tape
55:06
Speaker 1: rewinder because my mom was like, how can I talk
55:09
Speaker 1: to these children less? Let's just swap them out and then,
55:12
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55:15
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