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  Get laced up! Let's go! It's time for Banter
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  with the Boys! Welcome back to Banter with the
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  Boys Gridiron Updates. We are here for the NFC
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  North Preview 2025 -26 Preview. Of course, as
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  you see, we already know who's winning. The NFC
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  North this year, other than for me, actually.
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  But Skull Vikes. Yeah, buddy. Skull Vikes. We'll
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  get into why I'm saying this nonsense, but whatever.
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  Welcome back, Rob, with your skull glasses. It's
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  so shiny of our successful season this year.
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  Can you see out of those? Oh, for sure I can.
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  Okay. A little honeycomb -like, but, you know.
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  For sure. It's feeling good. I'm ready for this.
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  Feeling good in the Harrison Smith white -away
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  jersey. Nice. Good call. Starting it off the
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  season. Hopefully, it might be his last year.
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  Probably is. We'll get into it. Kev, thanks for
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  getting everything done. He's behind the cameras,
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  of course, as always. Let's just get into it
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  here. Let's do it, baby. You know what? We're
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  going to save the bikes for last. All right?
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  All right. Let's start. You know what? Let's
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  start with the Chicago Bears. Gross. Let's start
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  with the Chicago Bears. What was their record
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  last year? 5 -12. 5 -12. They did not finish
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  very well. I mean, they started okay this season,
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  but... Ben Johnson, new head coach, coming out
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  from the Lions. See if he can get Caleb Williams
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  to trust his eyes and throw the ball on time
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  and stop dancing around. But he did have a decent
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  rookie season, you know, 20 touchdowns, six interceptions,
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  almost a 90 rate, which is not too bad for a
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  rookie, you know. No, I don't hate it. A lot
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  of pressure being the top pick, you know what
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  I mean? I think he will be able to unlock Caleb
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  Williams' full potential. The dude has elite
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  arm talent. It's ridiculous. It looks effortless.
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  It seriously looks effortless for him. You got
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  D .J. Moore returning, Roma Dunze, who also turned
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  out a decent rookie year as well. And then who
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  was it they drafted that tight end? Luther Burden.
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  Loveland. And then Burden as well, Burden III
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  from Missouri. So I think there's a lot to be
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  excited about. Already a defense that's truly
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  not that bad. I think the Bears, they were 5
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  -12 last year. That's what I said the first time.
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  Sorry, I had to ask you five more times. I have
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  them going 8 -9 this year. That's a big jump.
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  I'm going 8 -9. Well, I have them at 7 -10, so
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  a little behind that aspect. Similar, though.
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  Similar. Very similar. But, yeah, they stacked
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  up their offense line. They got that Drew Dahlman
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  from the Falcons, Jonah Jackson, Joe Tooney.
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  Is that Chiefs? Was he at the Chiefs? Yep, Chiefs,
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  yep. And then they drafted another tackle in
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  the second round. They spent some money this
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  year to definitely improve this team. But they
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  only averaged 18 .2 a game last year. I mean,
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  that's not going to cut it. They were last in
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  the league in yards per game. So, D -Swift. You
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  think he's got a little bit left in the tank?
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  100%. 100%. And he had a better year last year.
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  Yes, it wasn't a great rushing average. I think
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  it's 3 .8. I mean, that's way better than Jay
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  Williams. Stop. Stop. We've moved on from my
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  take on Javante Williams. Just wait. It's all
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  right. But D. Swift will be over 1 ,000 yards
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  this year. No problem. No problem, huh? No problem.
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  No problem. It's not the injuries. No problem.
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  Well, okay. Good point. Good point. He played
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  17 games last year. Yeah. If he can do it again,
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  he'll be over 1 ,000 yards this year. Okay. Yes.
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  Rushing. Just rushing alone. 1 ,000 yards. What
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  do you think about their defense? Just in general?
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  Yeah. They're not going to be an easy walk for
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  our Vikings. Okay. I do not think so. Honestly,
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  Montez is scary. With the 5 .5 sacks last year.
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  But still, I don't give a shit. QB pressures,
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  QB hits. And we have a rookie quarterback. Again,
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  comparing specifically to the Vikings. But just
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  in general, you know, that's why I have them.
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  They're going to be more of those competitive
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  L's again this year for the Bears. I think they
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  definitely take a step forward. New regime, you
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  know, that's always going to be. For me, it's
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  like, how's it looking at the end of, like, year
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  three? You know, that's higher, you know, that's
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  extender for 30, you know, you know, but I think
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  we're going to see a massive difference for the
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  Bears this year, at least offensively for sure.
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  Defensively, they just got to stay healthy straight
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  up. They do. Yeah, that's all it is for them.
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  Otherwise, they have at least a top 15 defense.
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  Yeah, that's probably their ceiling, maybe, because
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  they were horrible against the run last year.
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  I feel like they were injured half the season
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  defensively. A little bit, yeah. They didn't
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  blitz very much either. I just think the front
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  four on the defense needs to play better. With
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  Edmonds and Edwards, they're linebackers. Like
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  them both. Jalen Johnson and Stevenson. He only
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  played five games last year, so he's one of those
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  injured guys. And they did get Gary Jarrett from
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  the Falcons in his 11th year trying to re -get
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  his career back going. But, yeah, 7 -10. I think
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  there's a little bit of improvement. But they've
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  got to play the NFC East, too. So that schedule
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  is not very easy for them. They are playing the
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  last place schedule in the NFC. So that's where
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  I think they gain a couple more wins. It'll be
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  interesting to see what Ben Johnson can do with
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  Kayla Williams. I think that's what's going to
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  determine their success or not moving forward
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  is whether they can get him to throw the ball
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  on time. On time. On time. And he's not necessarily
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  a timing quarterback. No. Well, he's just so
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  athletic that he's just so used to in his whole
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  life that he had that athletic ability. Which
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  is fair. Which is fair. It just doesn't work
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  that way. Teach yourself to do that. For sure.
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  I mean, that's what got you there. For sure.
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  But, yeah. All right. All right. Moving right
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  along. I actually have another team at 8 -9 in
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  the NFC North. Okay. Okay. It's the Green Bay
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  Packers. Ooh, down. And I don't feel solid about
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  it, actually. I feel like they could actually
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  go ahead and... Get up to 10 wins again. But
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  officially, I do have them also at 8 and 9. Okay.
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  They were 11 and 6 last year. For sure. For sure.
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  But lost quite a few corners. I'm kind of worried,
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  especially with the receivers that are in the
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  NFC North specifically. You know, you have to
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  see Amon Ross St. Brown twice a year. You got
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  to see Jay Jett as Jordan. Only Jordan Addison
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  one game, but potentially. No. Yeah, we play
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  them in the opener. No, we're talking about the
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  Packers now. Because I thought about the Bears
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  too. I was like, wait a minute. No, that's not
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  correct. So anyway, sorry. So I'm a little worried
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  about the corners. But the rest of the defense,
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  again, staying healthy. That's a tough defense.
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  It's a tough defense. Rashawn Gary's still there.
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  Kenny Clark. I mean, they haven't changed up
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  a whole lot. I don't hate Van Ness. You know,
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  Quay Walker. I'm a big Quay Walker guy. Between
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  him and Brisker on the Bears, I love both those
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  guys. You can kind of use them wherever. Still
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  got Xavier McKinney. He had eight picks last
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  year. For sure. Very nice. Did that lead? No.
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  leading interceptions was at nine i can't remember
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  yeah but anyway sorry but yeah alexander and
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  stokes are the two corners yeah you're talking
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  about that they lost um even though alexander
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  really hasn't played many games over the last
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  few years they did end up getting nate hobbs
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  i mean even valentine he was literally their
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  third corner last year i'm pretty sure so literally
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  all all different you know Different look to
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  the starting corners this year for the Packers.
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  But their defense was overall pretty solid. They
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  had been under 20 a game. I think they were 6
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  in yards per game. Not that I think. I see it.
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  I wrote this down. They were good against the
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  run. Overall, their defense, that's why they
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  were 11 -6. The back end is what scares me. The
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  cornerbacks. You're going to have to rely on
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  McKinney. But offensively... And don't they play
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  the Bengals this year, too? The Packers, I can't
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  remember if they play the Bengals as well. I
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  think they do. I feel like they do. Because we
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  do, right? Yep. So, like, that's another team.
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  Tee Higgins, Andrew March. What are we even talking
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  about? So, I don't know. That's why I have them,
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  I think, at eight wins. But drafting Matthew
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  Golden, I think that's a good move. I really
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  like him. Maybe take some pressure off Christian
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  Watson, get him back healthy and, you know. Maybe
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  it'll unlock him a little bit more. I mean, I
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  feel, hopefully, I mean, if I was a Packers fan,
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  Golden turns into the wide receiver one for them.
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  You know, I feel like they've had a bunch of
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  rookies and no one's just came out and been like,
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  all right. And Jaden Reed's okay, Romeo Dobbs,
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  Octavian Wicks. I like all those guys. I feel
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  like they're twos. But they're not a number one
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  receiver. Exactly. So, Golden coming out of Texas.
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  And it still felt like they were forcing Christian
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  Watson to be a number one receiver. Now, where
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  they drafted him, you hope that he is, right?
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  But I don't know. I like the tight ends they
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  got, too. Tucker Kraft and Luke Musgrave. So
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  it's... I don't know. Again, they could go 10
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  wins pretty easily. I don't know. It's going
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  to be a battle. Again, not an easy win this year
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  facing the Packers. They only gave up 22 sacks
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  last year. We haven't even talked about Josh
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  Jacobs. Money here. Dude's just a beast. Yeah.
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  15 touchdowns. 1 ,300. 4 .4. See, that's where
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  you need your Jay Williams at. Stop. Oh, my God.
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  How many teams are you going to get Jay Williams
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  in? Oh, my God. All right. Well, he claimed he
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  was a great running back. I think he's going
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  to be better. I think he's going to just help
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  Dallas' running game. He's the starter. Yeah.
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  He's going to be better than what they've had
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  going on. So, yep. 10 and 7. It's going to be
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  competitive right there. with the rest of the
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  league or the division. For sure. It's another
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  tough year for the NFC North. They've got no
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  easy games. All right. All right. Let's do it.
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  Minnesota Vikings. Here it is. Skull Vikes. A
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  lot of exciting things. Adam Thielen back as
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  of yesterday. Yesterday. Carson Wentz in the
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  house. As the backup, I like that move a lot,
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  just to come in and back up the rookie quarterback,
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  who is probably the biggest question mark for
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  the Vikings heading into 2025. Yes, no. For sure.
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  So is he the guy? Is he taking us? Is he the
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  future of the Minnesota Vikings? No, he's not
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  taking us to the promised land. Not this year.
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  But is he the future of the Minnesota Vikings?
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  I'm hoping he is. Coming off a surprising 14
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  -3 season, I don't think anybody, I think Vegas
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  had my eight wins last year, so they dominated
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  that. I'd like to see Aaron Jones back. I'd like
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  the Jordan Mason pick up for sure. Big time.
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  But do we just like that because he shredded
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  us? I know. I thought about that today when I
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  was trying to. Corlin Sutton did it to us a few
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  years. But I do like. I think he fits the scheme.
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  I think he fits what KFC wants to do. We'll see.
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  Yeah, I mean, I think he's an upgrade over Ty
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  Chandler. So, overall, I'll take that as a win,
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  you know? Fair enough. Just a little more dependent
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  carrying the ball. Ty had a little bit of holding
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  on to the ball issues, which kind of, I think,
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  put him in the doggos. I was almost thinking
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  he might lose his job to Scott, but they both
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  made the roster right now. And maybe that's just
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  because CJ Hamm is starting on the season. On
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  IR. But anyway, sorry. I'm hoping Jets, his hammy,
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  I know he's been dealing with the hamstring most
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  of the... training season here. They say he's
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  ready for week one, or will be. Then we got Addison
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  out for four games, so the Thielen pick up today,
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  it was nice. Which is now, as I was thinking
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  about it, we traded for him, so that means we're
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  paying him the salary that the Carolina Panthers
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  signed him for. I mean, potentially. Potentially.
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  I don't know if there's details, the financial
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  details are out. I feel like there's some money
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  that Carolina's going to be paying him. No way
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  we're taking on that. And then I got T -Hawk
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  coming back. He played 10 games last year coming
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  off that horrible knee injury, so I'm hoping
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  he's up and flying. We all hope that. Re -sign
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  Josh Oliver, best blocking tight end in the league,
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  run blocking tight end in the league. So that
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  should help Aaron Jones. Speaking of blocking,
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  the O -line, that's pretty much retooled. Christian
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  Derrissaw hopefully coming back nice and healthy.
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  Same with Brian O 'Neal, who kind of had that
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  weird little thing going on at the end of the
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  season. You're going to go ahead and draft Donovan
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  Jackson. And then, obviously... bringing in Ryan
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  Kelly and Will Fries. Hopefully Will Fries is
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  good, ready to go. Hopefully he can stay healthy
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  after that horrific injury he suffered. I'm actually
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  really excited to see this offensive line. On
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  paper, this should be a top five offensive line.
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  I don't see why not. I mean, you got the top
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  three. tackle combo in the league probably and
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  then add in ryan kelly and will fries i it's
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  a great addition donovan jackson's the biggest
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  question mark to me but also will fries just
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  because he's hasn't played a lot yeah as of late
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  and i like the way i mean donovan jackson went
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  to ohio state too so the amy's played in a lot
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  of ton of pressure games big crowds so i don't
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  think it's gonna be too big for him speaking
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  of big crowds the other side of the ball that
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  uh i mean The big trade with Harrison Phillips
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  going out the door, kind of out of nowhere. Well,
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  I think it's because of this guy, Ingram Dawkins
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  out of Georgia. I mean, that dude's just a beast.
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  Former five -star recruit. Love it. I think that's
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  the only reason why one of the defensive captains
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  and a Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee gets
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  traded. I mean, it is wild. Yeah, he was a great
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  dude. And to the Jets, that's... I hate that
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  form. I'm sorry. Well, it just needed a detackle.
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  Arguably a bubble playoff team for, you know
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  what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, it sucks to lose. Great
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  locker room guy. You know, I follow him on Twitter.
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  So he always has great, you know, doing community
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  events and stuff. And then draft party down at
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  the bank every year that I went, he was there.
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  So much love on that. So, I mean, we got a top
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  five defense. Kept it under 20 a game. I think
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  we're fifth in yards a game. And, again, on paper,
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  it looks like we could do the exact same thing
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  again. I mean, adding Jonathan Allen, Javon Hargrave,
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  you know, obviously. They need to play. Well,
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  and that's just it, right? Just like everybody,
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  got to stay healthy. Blake Cashman, way different
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  defense when he's on the field. You know, Ivan
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  Pace, he missed a couple games early last season
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  as well. Van Ginkle. You know, Isaiah Rogers,
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  you know, getting up there. You know, Harrison
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  Smith. How many snaps does Harrison Smith actually
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  get? How much do we see Theo Jackson and Josh
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  Metellus on the field? You know, Byron Murphy
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  back on an extension. Thank God. I know. We overpaid
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  him, but we had to. We talked about that last
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  year. I think we'll add Stephon Gilmore, too,
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  before this is all said and done. And on the
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  defense side, I think the most interesting thing
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  that I'm kind of looking at right now with Pat
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  Jones leaving, this is where Dallas Turner needs
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  to come up. It's an opportunity. That's his spot
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  now that Pat Jones is gone. Yeah, a secondary
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  is probably still going to be my biggest question
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  mark, you know, is Isaiah Rogers a starting cornerback
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  in the NFL? You know, we did trade Blackman or
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  Beckman. Which, again, no, Blackman, you're right,
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  which, again, still makes me think there's one
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  more move to be had out there. Even if we signed,
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  even if the Vikes signed, you know, Stephon Gilmore,
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  you know, from free agency. Otherwise, maybe
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  they're just really high on that guy, McLaughlin.
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  who looked good last year in camp. Yeah, he did.
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  So stuck around. They do have Jeff Okuda, who
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  people like. He's a physical specimen. Still
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  hasn't quite grasped... Covering NFL receivers.
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  Just can't quite get it done yet. Maybe... And
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  he was the number one first -round pick. But
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  maybe this is new life for Jeff Okuda here in...
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  In school country. I just need a warm body out
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  there mostly at this point. I hear you. Stay
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  healthy because we're pretty thin out there.
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  I have us. Oh, yeah. We didn't even do that yet.
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  10 and 7. 10 and 7. Yep. I have us at. 11 -6,
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  yeah. No way we're going 14 wins again. That
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  was crazy. Not going to happen this year, not
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  with the rookie quarterback. But I do think we're
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  going to be double -digit win, no problem. Playoff
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  team, yes. Jettis is on the freaking team. Come
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  on. We didn't even talk about him. No, because
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  we don't have to. Yeah, everybody knows we don't
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  have to. Yeah, we already know what he did, what
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  he can do. 100%. So let's go to our final team,
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  the Detroit Lions. The roar has been received.
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  Restored. The roar has been restored. But losing
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  their OC in D .C., we know this. Who's a bigger
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  loss, Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn? Ben Johnson.
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  Wasn't it the linebacker coach that took over
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  as a D .C.? I think so. I thought. And so I feel
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  like he's just going to kind of keep a very similar
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  thing going. I think Aaron Glenn is the bigger
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  loss. Okay. Because that defense played pretty
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  well, even on the backside of the season, with
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  Hutchinson gone. I mean, how many games did he
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  play? Five games last year. And that secondary
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  was completely torn up, too. The linebacker,
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  he only played 10 games. God, he plays real well
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  when he's in, too. But defensively, they were
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  heavy on the IR last year, but they were good
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  against the pass. They need to get a little better
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  against the run. They did pick up D -tackle.
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  Williams from Ohio State in the first round.
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  Guard out of Georgia, too. They got D .J. Reeder.
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  And then McNeil was the other D -tackle that
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  I really liked. Secondary. Joseph, Arnold, Branch,
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  and then DJ Reed from the Jets. They signed this
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  year, too. That was a good signing. Yeah, that
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  was a really good signing. I really wanted the
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  Vikes to sign it, too. Kirby Joseph, that's who.
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  I think he lead the league in picks, I'm pretty
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  sure, last year. Yeah, I think you're right.
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  What do you think of the offense? Just money?
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  I mean, Jameer Gibbs is a freaking cheat code
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  right now. Yeah, he is. I mean, I don't know
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  if he's... No, it's got to be Saquon Barkley.
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  Not to even use Madden ratings, but I feel like
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  Saquon is probably ranked slightly higher. But
• 19:46
  Jameer Gibbs has got to be up there because the
• 19:48
  dude is just outstanding. He's a game changer.
• 19:51
  I love the one -two punch with David Montgomery.
• 19:53
  I mean, it's literally perfect. They've got to
• 19:55
  be just tickled pink to be in the situation they
• 19:58
  are with each other. I mean, it's just a great
• 20:00
  one -two punch. Then add in Aminra St. Brown,
• 20:03
  obviously Jameson Williams. You're welcome from
• 20:05
  the Vikes. I think he's going to be more of a
• 20:08
  playmaker this year. I think now he's comfortable.
• 20:11
  Everything's going to start clicking for Jameson
• 20:12
  Williams a little bit more. Sam Laporta obviously
• 20:14
  has been great since he's entered the league.
• 20:16
  Is he an Iowa tight end? You are correct. Of
• 20:19
  course. O -line. Didn't they have O 'Lyman retire,
• 20:24
  too? Who am I thinking of? No, not retire. They
• 20:26
  lost Frank Regnault. And then they lost. I knew
• 20:31
  you were going to ask me that question. I'm sorry.
• 20:33
  And then Kevin. No, he did retire. Oh, he did
• 20:36
  retire. Yeah, Frank Regnault. And then Zittler.
• 20:39
  Yep, Zittler went to the Titans. Yeah, so offense,
• 20:43
  they were PFF number two. So that gives you a
• 20:46
  kind of good guide of where they were at. I mean,
• 20:49
  it's going to be that rookie guard start. as
• 20:51
  well. Yeah. Ratledge. Yeah, from Georgia. Yeah,
• 20:54
  second rounder. I don't know. It'll be interesting.
• 20:57
  But they're locked and loaded again. So, I mean,
• 20:59
  they're going to be a tough out. I mean, and
• 21:01
  when Panay Sewell can just run routes, I guess.
• 21:04
  Yes. You know, whatever. What an athlete. Yeah.
• 21:06
  Freaking A. All right. They finished, what, 15
• 21:10
  -2 last year, right? Correct. I got them at 12
• 21:14
  -5. 11 -6 is where I got them. 11 -6. And the
• 21:18
  reason why, they got a hard road schedule this
• 21:20
  year. Most of their tough teams that they have
• 21:23
  to play, they're even the same as the Vikings,
• 21:25
  but they get them all on the road. Yeah. So I
• 21:27
  think that's where they'll lose a couple more.
• 21:29
  I mean, 15 -2 is an epic season. Again, that's
• 21:32
  what I mean. 15 -2, 14 -3 for the Vikes. I mean,
• 21:35
  it's not going to happen again. It's pretty rare.
• 21:37
  It's not going to happen again. Not this season,
• 21:39
  buddy. So, no, I agree. 12 -5, so we both have
• 21:42
  them winning the NFC North again. Unfortunately.
• 21:45
  unfortunately yes in the motor city again so
• 21:48
  uh let's see is that oh that's right they're
• 21:50
  part of my three -way tie for the number one
• 21:52
  seed okay so right now they're tied with uh philly
• 21:57
  for me for the number one seed Keep watching
• 22:00
  the next few episodes to find out who else they're
• 22:05
  tied with, really. We got the NFC South still
• 22:08
  to come. NFC East we still got to talk. I'm sorry,
• 22:11
  NFC West we still have to talk about. Yeah, buddy.
• 22:14
  NFC East dropped right before this episode. Kev,
• 22:19
  obviously, thanks for getting things done for
• 22:21
  us behind the cameras. Rob, thanks again for
• 22:24
  being here for another episode. Our co -host
• 22:26
  here on Gridiron Updates. Of course. You wore
• 22:28
  those glasses the whole episode. Yeah, I did,
• 22:30
  baby. Are you taking them off for the next one?
• 22:33
  Well, yeah, because we're not talking about the
• 22:34
  Vikings anymore. All right. Fair enough. Fair
• 22:36
  enough. Yeah, he just wanted all the NFC North
• 22:40
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• 22:42
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• 22:55
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