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How to live in denial | Rantzerker 223 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: One coming to you live from deep within a technical
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  Speaker 1: difficulties plagued radioactive wasteland. We're the survivors of the alt right,
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  Speaker 1: Keck Populypse, the Few, the brave, the bitchy, once more
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  Speaker 1: wading into battle against the Jubilee in denial froggy hordes
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  Speaker 1: with call me up with the number rantom It's.
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  Speaker 2: Like twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: So we're really up there and how to live in
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  Speaker 1: denial Jubilee style, because that's what this really is. We
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  Speaker 1: are starting to see more and more of the effects,
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  Speaker 1: starting to see we are deep within the effects of
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  Speaker 1: ignoring men and their issues and constantly blaming them and
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  Speaker 1: degrading them and making them out to be the worst
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  Speaker 1: possible option for women in terms of relationships when they
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  Speaker 1: are actually the best possible option for women in terms
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  Speaker 1: of relationships. And yeah, so we're starting to see the
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  Speaker 1: cracks and the facade. High Brazil is starting to get
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  Speaker 1: a little damp, and here we have Jubilee to bring
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  Speaker 1: us our latest te Tom's festival to ignore the fact
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  Speaker 1: that the water is now around our knees and High
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  Speaker 1: Brazil is most definitely sinking. If you remember the reference
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  Speaker 1: that we did last time, that's Tom Tom t Tum. Essentially,
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  Speaker 1: the residents of High Brazil, instead of recognizing that High
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  Speaker 1: Brazil was sick sinking, just sat on the council steps
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  Speaker 1: and sang a song to themselves, tending like nothing was happening.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what Jubilee brings us. Let us continue to
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  Speaker 1: pretend like nothing is happening. All right. I'm your host, Alison,
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  Speaker 1: and with me is Brian and Karen, and I know
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  Speaker 1: Karen has some tangential stuff she wants to talk about, so.
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  Speaker 2: We can yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys know everybody,
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  Speaker 2: Just so.
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  Speaker 1: You guys know before you begin, I am alone with
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  Speaker 1: the doggos, so I may have to flee. It won't
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  Speaker 1: be technical difficulties. It will be dogo difficulties if he
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  Speaker 1: starts to get all right, just all right, so just up.
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  Speaker 3: I am also alone with mine and he is reacting
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  Speaker 3: to there with a chainsaw.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, but skipio. There's there's construction on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the roadway, so he doesn't really react to
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  Speaker 1: strange cat noises anymore, but he occasionally gives a bark,
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  Speaker 1: as if to say, I am here and I am waiting.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, when we had construction here like all last summer,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was last summer. In front of the house,
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  Speaker 4: they were like putting in new sidewalks and paving the
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  Speaker 4: roads and new lamp posts and everything.
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  Speaker 2: And as long.
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  Speaker 4: As somebody was wearing a hard hat and a reflective vest,
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  Speaker 4: she was totally cool with them.
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  Speaker 2: She would just like it was like TV for her.
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  Speaker 4: She'd just like lie down on the bench with her
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  Speaker 4: chin on the windowsill and just watch those guys or
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  Speaker 4: her peeps.
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  Speaker 2: Watch them work.
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  Speaker 4: It was very entertaining and she was binge watching them.
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  Speaker 4: But then someone would walk by with a baby stroller
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  Speaker 4: and she'd flip or shit, no.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta be suspicious of those ones with the baby strollers.
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  Speaker 1: They're up to no good, you know. They're yeah, something
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  Speaker 1: nefarious with those strange.
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  Speaker 2: Seven year olds which ride and buy on their bike
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  Speaker 2: friends the bunny rabbits.
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  Speaker 1: The bunny rabbits obviously by rabbits are up to no
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  Speaker 1: good and magpies.
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  Speaker 4: As long as they don't come within four feet of
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  Speaker 4: the house, she ignores them. They get within four feet
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  Speaker 4: of the house and she just flips out. But anyway,
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  Speaker 4: I would recommend to everybody to actually go and watch
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  Speaker 4: the charity dinner, the Catholic charity dinner that Trump attended
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  Speaker 4: last night that I my husband put it on the
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  Speaker 4: TV and we almost died, almost died laughing at his
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  Speaker 4: jokes that that man is like a champion roaster and
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  Speaker 4: yeah and he and he just comes across. So uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this is very dead pan, very dead pan,
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  Speaker 4: and and the but the sense of humor, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: like some of those jokes.
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  Speaker 3: Who that's what that's the garbage truck or something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he sneaks over it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, But before people start like, I mean, I personally
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  Speaker 1: am not going to get involved in like the politics,
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  Speaker 1: but it's patently obvious. This is what I will say.
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  Speaker 1: Comment Kamela Harris says that men have all the rights,
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  Speaker 1: therefore they don't need any that that you can't just
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  Speaker 1: ignore that, Okay, and that's all I'll say about that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Allison, I'm sorry, but this is this
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  Speaker 3: election is the most feminist election ever. Like that's just
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  Speaker 3: what it is. Like You're either on the side of
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  Speaker 3: feminism or not. It's not even like are you on
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  Speaker 3: the side of Trump. It's like are you against that
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  Speaker 3: of feminism? Are you on the side of feminism or
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  Speaker 3: are you somebody with a working brain. So do you
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  Speaker 3: care about No, I'm serious, do you care about And
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  Speaker 3: I said this, would Hannah show a few things you
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  Speaker 3: care about? The border? Oh did I drop?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 1: You didn't drop, Karen, Karen did. Yeah, Like, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: going to keep it.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Look, there are there is a side that cares
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  Speaker 3: about the economy, the border, no, not starting any new
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  Speaker 3: wars and uh maybe bringing jobs and manufacturing back to
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  Speaker 3: the States. And then there's the side that just cares
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  Speaker 3: about killing their babies. That's that's what it is. That's
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  Speaker 3: where we're at. That's what it is. I'm not giving
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  Speaker 3: a bias opinion. I am telling you. Those are the stakes.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, okay, Karen, she left, she'll be back
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  Speaker 3: in a second. Should we jump into the.
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  Speaker 1: Or yeah, oh wait, she's back. Jump into the video.
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  Speaker 1: She's having some serious connection issues, she might.
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  Speaker 3: I hope you're not in more than one thing at once,
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  Speaker 3: but it seems like you're fine now.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Well usually I'm the one with connection issues.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't know what's going on, but hmm,
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  Speaker 4: like I can still see me.
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  Speaker 2: You guys just appear to me. It looks like you
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  Speaker 2: guys are dropping out.
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  Speaker 1: Do we have a vertical? Like, I see that the
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  Speaker 1: vertical didn't pop up?
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  Speaker 3: Is that because it's up? See, yeah, it's public it's running.
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  Speaker 3: The gin Bottle commented on it. Okay, we're up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, then it's the it's the it's the me
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  Speaker 1: six that's being a pain in the ass.
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  Speaker 5: It's not actually, oh you mean your bot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my bot is not botting.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna play some of this video then. So where
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  Speaker 3: we left off was kind of early on. But the
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  Speaker 3: question pose was men already have all the rights, all
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  Speaker 3: of them. Yeah, and we're addressing this ridiculous question. By
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  Speaker 3: the way, I had Blue Orange John last week a
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  Speaker 3: couple of times, but we'll le we refer to the
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  Speaker 3: second the second one. But uh, he basically said that
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  Speaker 3: in general he disliked the questions. So I think it's
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  Speaker 3: true the questions are stupid, but they're like, Julie is
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  Speaker 3: not actually in the business of talking about issues, They're
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  Speaker 3: in the business of generating clicks and drama. So we'll
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  Speaker 3: also understand that. Then, I mean, how can we.
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  Speaker 1: Even have a discussion about what needs to change when
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  Speaker 1: the conversation we still are at the conversation, well, men
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  Speaker 1: really have all the rights, don't they. Yeah, well no
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  Speaker 1: they don't have X, Y Z oh, but that you know,
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  Speaker 1: and then and then we always go back, We always
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  Speaker 1: certainly notice this, We always circle back to this, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: but men have all the rights, don't they? And this
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  Speaker 1: is as far as conversation gets.
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  Speaker 2: I just I just remember.
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  Speaker 4: That just reminds me of you know, like when I
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  Speaker 4: was at the walk a Mile in her Shoes event
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  Speaker 4: with Nick, right, Nick and his sandwich board is Men's
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  Speaker 4: Rights Edmonton sandwich board, the infamous sandwich board almost took
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  Speaker 4: my head off in the wind that morning walking to
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  Speaker 4: the to the event. But but yeah, no, so we're
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  Speaker 4: we're standing there and he's got a fistful of pamphlets, right,
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  Speaker 4: and this woman with like an event t shirt on,
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  Speaker 4: so she was one of the volunteers.
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  Speaker 2: She comes up and she's.
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  Speaker 4: Like, men already have men already have too many rights?
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  Speaker 4: And he goes, he goes, actually and he proffers his
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  Speaker 4: fist full of pamphlets for her to take one, and
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  Speaker 4: he's about to go into, you know, like his spiel,
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  Speaker 4: and she just like gimmetos and rips them out of
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  Speaker 4: his hand and takes off, and I'm standing there and
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  Speaker 4: we're like, Nick and I are standing there going like,
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  Speaker 4: what the hell just happened?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where the conversation stops, you know. It's it
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  Speaker 1: is where the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: She literally took the pamphlets and threw them.
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  Speaker 3: Take that patriarchy.
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  Speaker 1: Hmmm, she just drops. Happening you It's gonna be one
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  Speaker 1: of those days, folks. But yeah, it's like, it's like
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  Speaker 1: where the conversation ends. That is where the conversation ends,
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  Speaker 1: the discussion of whether or not men have all.
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  Speaker 3: The right So I don't know what the issue is.
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  Speaker 3: Then she just drops.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, so that's where it all stops, like and
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  Speaker 1: then we just keep back going back to that, and
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  Speaker 1: we never make at least in the mainstream.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't never make.
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  Speaker 1: Progress on men have all the rights, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly where like Kamala is supporting that fart that
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  Speaker 1: that haze of men have all the rights, which is
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  Speaker 1: the phrase. It's the mentality that prevents us from actually
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  Speaker 1: addressing any of the issues that we face because we
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  Speaker 1: just can't keep she's talking right now, Oh I hear
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  Speaker 1: a double ball.
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  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't see or hear her.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 3: All weird, okay, all right, did.
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  Speaker 1: You guys hear me or did I?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard you, and I think I heard you,
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  Speaker 3: and the people watching heard you too, fairly certain. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: go do what you gotta do. It seems like all right,
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  Speaker 3: all right, So I'm going to jump into the video now.
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  Speaker 3: So where we left off was again the first question
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  Speaker 3: is men already have all of their rights, which you
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  Speaker 3: can see at the top left of the screen there
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  Speaker 3: of the video. So we'll play this clip.
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  Speaker 7: You know, one that still goes on today.
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  Speaker 8: Going back to the family court thing, because we want
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  Speaker 8: to talk about traditional relationships and that's so it should
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  Speaker 8: be the mom should stay home with the cat.
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  Speaker 3: Oh she cut to this topic because basically Tom brought
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  Speaker 3: up conscription and she didn't want to address it. So
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  Speaker 3: that's really what it is.
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  Speaker 8: It's the dad is a provider and all that, but
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  Speaker 8: then when it comes to the family court, we want
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  Speaker 8: to be like, oh, dad's need fifty percent.
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  Speaker 9: Custody, But you don't even know your kid.
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  Speaker 8: You've been off providing all this time, and the only
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  Speaker 8: reason now you want fifty percent custody is because that's
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  Speaker 8: the only thing that still connects you to the woman
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  Speaker 8: or whatever reason you have. But it has nothing to
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  Speaker 8: do with the children at heart.
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  Speaker 9: It has to do with I'm their father. I deserve
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  Speaker 9: fifty percent custody.
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  Speaker 8: But where were you the first ten fifteen years that
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  Speaker 8: we were raising the kids.
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  Speaker 3: This sounds like a personal anecdote, like she's kind of
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  Speaker 3: talking about her life, because that's really specific. But uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean I think that men want to fathers want
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  Speaker 3: there to be in the lives of their children because
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  Speaker 3: they love their children, not because of some weird masculine
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  Speaker 3: thing like I'm a man, I'm the dead, I gotta run.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's just like a weird way to misrepresent men
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  Speaker 3: who want to be involved with their children. And then
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't even really like discount the fact that the
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  Speaker 3: fact of what we're talking about, just because it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: matter what the impetus is for a man wanting to
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  Speaker 3: be involved with his kids, It doesn't matter if he
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  Speaker 3: sees it as masculine or whatever. The fact is he
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  Speaker 3: should be involved with his kids anyway, And fifty custody,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that should be the default to start off.
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  Speaker 3: I think so. But Anyway, I'm Alison walked away and
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  Speaker 3: Karen dropped out, So I guess I'm just gonna do this.
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  Speaker 3: Karen's coming back now, let's see. Okay, Karen, are you
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  Speaker 3: having trouble?
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  Speaker 10: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm just gonna leave. I don't know if it's okay. Well,
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  Speaker 3: we'll see what happens next. So anyway, what I was
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  Speaker 3: saying is, let me just check my computer, make sure
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  Speaker 3: it's not being burnt. It's on fire. No, it's fine.
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  Speaker 3: What I was saying is is that she was basically
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  Speaker 3: did you listen to that bit where she talks about how.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't I dropped out and I haven't.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go back a little bit, just like right here,
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  Speaker 3: I want you to hear this woman's response. Okay, all
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  Speaker 3: the rights, and she's going to talk about like child custody.
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  Speaker 7: No, we don't in the US, I have to volunteer.
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  Speaker 7: We'll not really volunteer.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, traditional relationships and that's how it should be. The
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  Speaker 8: mom should stay home with the kids and the dad
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  Speaker 8: is a provider and all that. But then when it
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  Speaker 8: comes to the family court, we want to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 8: dad's need fifty percent custody.
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  Speaker 9: But you don't even know your kid.
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  Speaker 8: You've been off providing all this time, and the only
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  Speaker 8: reason now you want fifty percent custody is because that's
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  Speaker 8: the only thing that's still connects you to the woman,
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  Speaker 8: or whatever reason you have. But it has nothing to
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  Speaker 8: do with the children at heart.
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  Speaker 9: It has to do with I'm their father. I deserve
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  Speaker 9: fifty percent custody.
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  Speaker 8: But where were you the first ten fifteen years that
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  Speaker 8: we were raising the kids?
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  Speaker 3: So did you catch kay?
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  Speaker 2: All right, all right, where do I begin? Okay, my
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  Speaker 2: dad was a bit of a workaholic.
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  Speaker 4: Get up at five point thirty six am, be at
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  Speaker 4: work at seven, get home around seven pm.
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  Speaker 3: Uh oh, Karen, did you drop again? Fuck? Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: You guys got to do something bout your internet or
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  Speaker 3: your computers run a flush or something. And why has
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  Speaker 3: Alison not come back yet? Like geez, she only sees
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  Speaker 3: men as providers? Yeah, exactly. Well basically no, not even that,
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  Speaker 3: because the herr complaint appears to be that men are
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  Speaker 3: not deserving of custody of their children because they are
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  Speaker 3: spending too much time being providers working. So and this
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  Speaker 3: is like the paradox that doctor Warren Frell has talked about,
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  Speaker 3: where you know the best way for a man to
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  Speaker 3: sort of like show that he loves his family means
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  Speaker 3: he has to be away from his family because he
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  Speaker 3: has to work. Now, of course, we could go back
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  Speaker 3: to like homesteading and stuff where you know, we could
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  Speaker 3: go back to homesteading and stuff where men were you know,
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  Speaker 3: like at home working all day and that made them
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  Speaker 3: closer to kids. But like that's just not realistic in
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  Speaker 3: this in this time, Alison, are you there? You're muted,
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  Speaker 3: but I see you. Did you did you deal with
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  Speaker 3: your problem? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I did. I. Oh, did we lose Karen?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? She's been dropping a lot. Yeah, it's been dropping out.
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  Speaker 1: Let's keep powering through, all right, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I'm gonna basically what what I'm getting at. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: you can just chime in on this, okay. Is they're
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  Speaker 3: talking about child custody. One of the feminists brought up
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  Speaker 3: the fact that men are feeling entitled to having access
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  Speaker 3: to their children when they weren't around for them because
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  Speaker 3: they were out in the world essentially working and providing
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  Speaker 3: for their kids. And their need to like be involved
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  Speaker 3: with their child's life has something to do with some
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  Speaker 3: kind of like masculine you know, like urge or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I'll play a little bit of that bit so that
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  Speaker 3: you hear urge. Yeah, yeah, just just yeah, just listen
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  Speaker 3: to this. Okay, let me just go back a teeny bit,
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  Speaker 3: all right.
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  Speaker 8: Been off providing all this time, and the only reason
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  Speaker 8: now you want fifty percent custody is because that's the
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  Speaker 8: only thing that still connects you to the woman, or
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  Speaker 8: whatever reason you have. But it has nothing to do
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  Speaker 8: with the children at heart, ass.
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  Speaker 9: To do with I'm their father. I deserve fifty percent custody.
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  Speaker 8: But where were you the first ten fifteen years that
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  Speaker 8: we were raising the caves.
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  Speaker 1: This is utter bullshit. Statistically, men do not seek full custody,
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  Speaker 1: for example, unless there is something manifestly wrong with the
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  Speaker 1: mother like this is. This is the majority most men
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  Speaker 1: will share custody.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: When women seek custody, they seek it to establish their
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  Speaker 1: primacy as the main parent in their minds. Men only
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  Speaker 1: seek primary custody when there's a problem with the woman.
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  Speaker 1: So this is right off the bat bullshit. It's not
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  Speaker 1: even even feminist statistics bear this out. Even the statistics
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  Speaker 1: they trot out like, oh, fifty percent of men who
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  Speaker 1: seek custody get it or something like that, or seventy
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  Speaker 1: five percent. Well, actually it's more like fifty percent. But
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  Speaker 1: also those are men a good from what I was saying,
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  Speaker 1: like a majority or a sizeable minority of those men
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  Speaker 1: are seeking custody against women who are manifestly unfit. So
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  Speaker 1: fifty percent custody and that circumstance is terrifying. It actually
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  Speaker 1: demonstrates that women have a bias because men only get
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  Speaker 1: equal custody, are equally likely to get primary custody when
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  Speaker 1: a good portion of them are seeking it because the
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  Speaker 1: woman is unfit. And I don't mean just they're thinking
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  Speaker 1: that she's unfit. Literally, CPA, like Child Protective Services or
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  Speaker 1: the equivalent in the UK, has gone to the father
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  Speaker 1: and said, you're the mother is going to kill her kids.
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  Speaker 1: You need to get the you need to take care
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of those kids, you need to step up and seek
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: primary custody. So outside parties are pushing the father to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: seek custody. So this is just bullshit, like she basically
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: just made shit up. I mean, then that's where we're at.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: You got men issues advocates, men's rights advocates, whatever you
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: want to call on this side with facts, and then
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you've got feminists on the other side with allegations of malfeasance,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and we have to, like, before we can even get
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: into a position to fix the damn bridge, we have
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to get through these people who are insist that there's
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with the bridge. The bridge has all the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: rights that could ever need. And in fact, if the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: bridge is collapsing, it's because it's a toxic bridge. That's
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: part of the bridge archy, bridge archy. Before we even
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: can get in there to start fixing it, and it's like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: complain like this, this conversation shouldn't be happening. This is ridiculous.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't have this situation where facts but there's one
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: side bringing facts and the other side is bringing feels.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Anyway, all right again, Jesus, fuck what to do?
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: What what did you did? You like? Restart or something?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I rebooted my router?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, oh okay, maybe that No guarantees, no guarantees, we'll see,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: all right, anyway, we should get into the next bit.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: But basically what we were talking, you were telling the
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: story about your father being a workaholic, because she is
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: claiming that essentially, like I was just saying, men should
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: not have the entitlement to access to their children because
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: they weren't around for their kids when they were raising them,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: because they were out in the world working. Now, of course,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I think Alison and Karen, I think this is a
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: personal anecdote coming out as a counter argument, like she's
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: had some experience, and that kind of comes out later
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: on too. She's she starts making an argument and then
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: it goes from being like abstract to being very personal
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, you're talking about something you went through.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and I'll talk about something that I went through.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: My dad and I were extremely close, extremely close the
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: entire time I was growing up. He was very close
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: with all of us, right, And like he had three daughters,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: and I think when we were nine, when we each
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: turned nine, he took us on a one week road trip, right,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: like just dad and daughter road trip.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: And.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: We were super, super amazingly close.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: And it's like to say that, Okay, so he doesn't
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: get to have access to he doesn't get to have
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: fifty percent of the time, like he's already given up
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of time with his kids in order to provide, right,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: And now you're just going to be like, well, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: so you weren't there, you were busy working, and that
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: you were just too busy to spend No, he was
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: never too busy to spend time with us. When he
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: was at work, he couldn't, right, But when he was home,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: he was always there.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: He was a fixture. Like and okay, so how about this?
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: How about the kids do what they would normally do,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: which is spend the days.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Oh how about this? How about this?
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Well, mom, you weren't with your kids for the school days.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: So the school, Yeah, the school gets custody, right because
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: you weren't love at them. You know, from from eight
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: till three every day you weren't with them, right, Like.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Give me a fucking break.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm so sick of this, and like, and we
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: gave up so much?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: What did you give up? What did you give up? Right?
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Like, it's it's difficult to braid hair, it's difficult to like,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: pack a lunch. It's it's difficult to change a diaper, like,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: these are all things men can do, right, Men do
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: tons of things that women can't do. The only thing
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: women can do that men can't two things give birth breastfeed.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: And half the women in the US don't even breastfeed
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: these days.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: M all right, let's do some more.
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: I'm not denying that they need their mothers or their
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: fathers more. Men and women compliment each other, that is
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: what I'm saying. Some men are more masculine, some women
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: are more feminine. My girlfriend's more feminine. I'm more masculine.
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: We go very well together because our values align. What
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: is it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Said, Well, no, the values align. That's the one thing.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Values align. And then on the other side of things,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: it's really great if you can fill in the spots
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: on each other's the empty spots on each other's spreadsheets,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: that's it, right. And it's like, so I'm not great
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: at heavy lifting, my husband is right, he's not great
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: at cooking. I am right, and all of these other things, right,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Like when you don't want somebody who performs the same,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: the exact same role as you, because then you're gonna
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: be in competition with each other, right, and one of
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: them one of you is going to feel put upon
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: and like the other one is lazy, and the other
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: one is gonna feel like their toes are being stepped
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: on constantly and you're just pushing them out of the way.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: And because no, you're not good enough at doing this
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: that or the other. No, people in a relationship need
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: to choose a partner, right that I can take up
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: the slack here and he can take up the slack there. Right,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: that's how it's supposed to work. And you know, like, yes,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: all of them in in my life could change a diaper?
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Did they want to know? Were they always available at
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: every diaper change?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: No?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Right, It's like I just don't understand.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I don't understand this idea that the amount of time
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: you spent with your kids while you were married translates
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: into the amount of access you get to your kids
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: after you divorce.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Well, why does the amount of time you worked translate
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: into a greater percentage of the assets upon divorce?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Agreed?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Like why not do? I mean, if you're gonna do that,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: If you can make the argument that the amount of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: time you spend with the kids should translate into more time,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: then don't split the assets.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Whoever worked the adult spress fifty fifty?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Like seriously, okay, aimed.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Stat What about the stats where all the fathers who
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: leave and don't pay child support?
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: Isn't that far more common?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Why is it? Like literally, okay, this is gonna be
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the argument until it's just patently obvious that everything's falling apart,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: isn't it. Look most of the men who don't pay
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: child support aren't able to pay child support. If you
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: have a child with the man who has eighteen other
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: illegitimate children, you're not gonna ever get child support out
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: of that man. Okay, And if he has, if you're
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: number nineteen, you know what's gonna happen. There's a reason
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: why you're doing this. It's because you have low impulse control.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: But regardless, I mean. And the other thing is that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: those men who again don't pay, and they're not like
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: in a situation where they've had multiple illegitimate children, they
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: don't pay because they can't. Actual legitimate default on child
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: support majority female. It's who women who refuse, who refuse
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to pay again, and then this is this whole situation
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: is once again, Oh, I'm going to bring up something
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: from my feelies in order to refute your facts. The
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: fact is men don't get equal custody, and there's every
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: argument for doing so. The feminists say, well, the courts
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: are biased against women. Well, then a presumption of shared
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: custody will solve that bias against women, wouldn't it? Okay?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: So there's no argument against the presumption of shared custody.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: All you have is but men don't deserve rights.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Well, they already have too many that that walk.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And where they don't have rights, they don't deserve them
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: because insert lie about how bad men are as a group.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Let's listen to the next thirty seconds and then you'll respond, yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: like just the next thirty seconds, because it's like a
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: whole little section that I have. So here we go.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Try not to like to hold on to your rage
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: just for a moment.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: Okay a city, which they only do fifty less than
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: women do. When men want primary custody, they only file
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: the appropriate paperwork forty percent of the time. Women do
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: it over eighty percent of the time, and then they
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: complain that they're not getting Courts don't give you something
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: that you're not asking for, period, So.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: What are you saying?
• 29:38
  Speaker 12: Men choose not to support their families. They wave responsibility many.
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: Times second to say that that fathers don't care what
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: their kids.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Why are they acting their kids are?
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: It wouldn't be an issue if it didn't happen. It's
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: an issue for a reason. There are laws that specialize
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: in this, but they wouldn't have a business if it
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: didn't happen.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, well, I mean, I'm just going to point
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: everybody to a website called Breaking the Science, right, because
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: I feel like they're coming up with a bunch of statistics,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: right that have been thoroughly debunked. But one of the
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: statistics is that when men ask.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: For custody, they get it right. Well, okay, she.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Said, forty percent of the time men don't ask for custody,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: eighty percent of the time women do, right, And okay, Well,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: so one can then say that men aren't so selfish
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: that they want soul custody of their kids and to
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: take their kids away from their mother. Okay, they're half
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: as likely to want to deprive their child of the
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: other parent.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. And then you also can look into it that.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Women are the overwhelmingly the ones who actually do the
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: initial divorce filing, right, they ask for custody when men
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: file for divorce, they don't necessarily ask for customer.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: We lost her again, Oh she's back.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, So what you're saying is, well, she was basically
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: radiating what I said is that men don't usually file
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: for primary custody unless there's something manifestly wrong with the mother.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: In fact, many times an external party has pushed him
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: into file for primary custody. Men usually are fine with
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: shared custody. It's women who push for primary custody in
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: order to piss on their baby as if it's theirs.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Karen's like, I'm still showing.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Red that statistics women file for primary custody in order
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: to assert their rights as the most important parent, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: ye like so that the reality is the exact opposite
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: of what they're saying. But regardless, any kind of bias
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: against women in family law will be solved by a
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: presumption of shared custody. And yet what do the feminists
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: insist on keeping everything status quo? So they allege that
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the status quo is biased against women, but they want
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to keep it for some reason.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, appeal to authority when it suits me, appeal to
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: being the underdog when it does not, or when it
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: suits me as well.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: We're really having an issue with her internet, I wonder what's.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, you guys are yeah, mostly
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Karen's been having these issues. But I want to play
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: the next part. We're just going to try and plug
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: plug on and.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Can you actually switch it to two when that happens,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: or is that too difficult?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: That's well, I mean, Karen's back, It's it's okay, Yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm sorry. Yeah.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I have the feeling it's going to keep I have
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: the feeling this is going to keep happening.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I appreciate you sticking it out. We try
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: to get through this.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll try. Okay, I'll try for a little bit more.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: All right, let's let's let's listen to the next bit.
• 33:22
  Speaker 13: I know, at least for you and possibly for pro you,
• 33:25
  Speaker 13: guys want to reaffirm traditional masculine rules, which does not
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: assume that men are the nurturing ones. And if that's
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: going to be the case, then you're going to continue
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: to run into the problem where men aren't going to
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: get custody because women are going to be seen as
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: the nurturing gender.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Sounds So if you don't want.
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: That to be the case, then it makes sense to
• 33:44
  Speaker 13: stand with feminists and want to dismantle those sorts of
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: norms and expectations around what it means to be a
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: man and what it means to be a woman.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, So what he's saying is the patriarchal expectations placed
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: on women put them in a position to be regarded
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: as beneficiales of this thing, which is custody. So in
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: other words, it's patriarchal expectations that benefit women.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Well but no, but I think we're getting into into
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: a situation where the male rule is completely devalued.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I remember this one time.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I had I had mice, and uh pet mice,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: and they they stank, and so in the summer, Mom
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: would make me keep them out in the shed.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: You guys still there, Yeah, you're still. I'm here, Okay, okay, okay.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Every time you guys go still, I think I'm gonna
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: drop out anyway, So I'm.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I just I just do it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: To move around.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: But but anyway, anyway, so I'm carrying out like the
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: little test to water bottle.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Anyway, I'm carrying out the test tube water bottle down
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: the back porch out to the shed to give them water.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: And uh and I dropped it and I was.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: In my bare feet and I stepped on the glass
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: and my dad was the only one hole and uh
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: so you know, I of course, I you know, stuck
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: my head in the back door. I crawled up the step,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: back up the steps, stepped it in the back door,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: and and uh and called for him and and he's
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: he's like.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: You're bleeding. Don't you come into this house.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Your mom's gonna have a conniption, right if you bleed
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: on anything?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: And uh. And then so he sat with me out
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: on the porch.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, no way, I see her. I see her.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: She's back. She's back.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Hey speak, Karen speak.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Oh ahead, are you on the porch? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: we can hear you.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: You're on the porch. Your father isn't letting you come
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: in because you're bleeding and your mother will have a conniption.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: And so he sits, he goes and he gets his
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: little needle nose tweezers right and uh. And he sits
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: with me on the porch and he pulls every little shard.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Of glass out of my foot.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: And then he's like, uh, where's the mercura comb.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: He doesn't know where she keeps it.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: So he just went and got his shake bottle of
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: old spice, right, went and he went in, got it,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: came out, shook it just just soaked my foot in
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: old spice after shave, right, and and I was like, ah,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: and he's like, if there's if there's no blood, it
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: doesn't hurt.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, there's blood. There's tons of blood, Like do.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: You not see the blood. I'm not allowed in the.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: House because of the blood. He's like, don't be a pussy.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: And it was just so heartwarming.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: And you know, when and they don't make that scent
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: of old spice anymore, and I miss it. I miss
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: it so much because it was just like it was real.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I was there standing with the flashlight while he was
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: tinkering with the carburetor and I could smell his old spice.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: I was there buttering floor tiles with him. I could
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: smell his old spice. It was just like, it's this
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: super comforting, wonderful thing, right, And we've devalued that because
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: you know, I can guarantee you mothers wouldn't have reacted
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: that same way. They wouldn't have said if there's no blood,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: it doesn't hurt.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't have.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Said, you know, okay, there's blood, Stop being a pussy, right,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: And that in itself is comforting to a kid who's
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: in pain, to a kid who's bleeding because you literally.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Have the mom on the one side, Oh honey, are
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: you okay?
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: And you have the dead on the other side, saying, man,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: it's no big deal, right, no reason to be scared,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: you know, no reason to you know, you cried, you
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: summoned expert help, and now we're here, and so like,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: what's the point of whining?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And and it's just.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Like that level of security that men.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Her about to make a point to take a point.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Let me read a super chat while we're waiting for
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Karen real quick, because I haven't had a chance to yet.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Zara ANX gave us five bucks and says, you guys
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: need a studio, preferably in the States. I know can
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: as home for some, but seriously, how long to fix what?
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Trudeau rott.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That's great, I'm like banned from the States. I may
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: be unbanned now, but I'm sure if I moved down there,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: they would have words, like serious words. So no, we
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: can't have Yeah, we it would be great to have
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: a studio, but unfortunately it's just not going to happen
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: because we'd live too far apart and men's issues advocates
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: are a little thin on the ground so it's difficult
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to find enough of us in one place to actually
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: have a studio space.
• 39:41
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• 39:42
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I'm thinking, considering the difficulty of the Internet,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: we might just maybe do an hour and then go
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: to the after or the patron show. What do you
• 40:10
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• 40:15
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• 40:19
  Speaker 1: then be free to walk around and just talk.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I I just honestly like.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: It's infuriating, but yes, but yeah, no, it's it's like
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: when when you look at how the the father role
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: has been devalued, Right, so you have the mother saying
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: don't climb so high, and you have the dad saying
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: you can get to the top, go for it, right,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: that's that's like that's necessary to raise healthy kids, right.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: And like the idea that just because dads weren't changing
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: diapers and washing hair and uh and you know, putting
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: food in front of their kids, just because they actually
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: contributed to their lives in a different way, including their
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: confidence and all of that.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: It's it's large. Just it's infuriating. It's infuriating.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like your internet right now? Yeah, God, is
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you know, personally throttling you, Karen?
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's he's doing it on purpose, declaring.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: An emergencies act on your on your internet.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: There, all right, let's listen to somemoriya. So this is
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: the next question. Women experience more sexism than men? Yay,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: so much fun.
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: Women experience more that's actually no, no, women, No, the
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: question is stupid because if.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: You hold the question Karen, Karen, all of these questions
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: are is there really a problem or should we just.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Sing the team?
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: No?
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: No? No?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, fun, This question in particular is stupid.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: More sexism than men?
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well you can only believe that if you think that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, So, if you're treating men differently than women.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: You're by definition, treating women differently than men, So they're
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: both experiencing the same amount of sexism.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, basically treating them differently because of their sex
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: is essentially sexism by definition. But the issue is the
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: issue is also is that whether or not one sex
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: experiences sexism more than another is purely dependent on how
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: those individuals feel about it. And the fact is women
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: are way more likely to complain of anything calling it sexist,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: and men are more likely not to say anything at all.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: And so they're they're they're actually gonna be measuring it
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: based on how women feel about it versus how men
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: feel about.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: It, of course, of course, So then of.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Course it's gonna come out one way, you know, like
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: because like women, that's like saying women are more danger
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: than men, and it's like, but women are more afraid
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: than men. That doesn't mean they're in more danger than men,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: you know, So like it's these aren't like this is
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, go.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Ahead, the society of winers getting their way, right, Yeah,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: And it's infuriating because.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Like and then the moment that men actually.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Have the temerity have the gall to whine about something, right,
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: like I can't.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: See my kids. And they're like, oh, booooo, you got privilege.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, basically what they say is.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Because you're oppressed women and we're expected to take the
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: maternal rule, the patriarchypres men do, but we're doing it
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: because we want it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: The patriarchy. What what this is what I've noticed about
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: this logic. They say the patriarchy oppresses men or or
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: harms men. It's backfiring, but think it hurts men too.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: It hurts men too. But the thing is that then
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: they use that to silence men for talking about how
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the patriarchy hurts them. So essentially they're doing what the
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: patriarchy does to men. They're saying, well, you be quiet
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: about this because we want to be able to continue
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: to do this to you.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Just the women's patriarchal patriarchy, women's auxiliary.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like it literally is There's two things that I
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to get out here. If patriarchy is doing this
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: to men, it's also invested in silencing them. So how
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: can you say, oh, I'm a against patriarchy. Patriarchy it's
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: bullshit to begin with, but I'm against patriarchy, but you
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: should continue to be silent about these things that patriarchy
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: does to you as men, Like, you're literally doing patriarchy, then,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: all right, and then and then what's an astounding.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Well, they're making patriarchy work for them, Ali.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well patriarchal bargain quote unquote. But my point is
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: that they're using the same dynamic and they're saying, well, well,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: then how can men ever overcome how patriarchy harms them?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: If you are right there saying get back into your role, men, Like,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: it really doesn't sound like patriarchy is what you're saying,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it is when it seems to serve you in every
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: single circumstance, ladies, like literally patriarchy.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard a man tell a woman know
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: your role?
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: No? And yet women do this constantly to men constantly,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Like a couple of days ago, we went through Hannahcoy
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and their entire thesis was, well, men, you're supposed to
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: be the strong leaders, so don't whine. It's like, well, okay,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: do you actually say that men are the strong leaders
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: in any context except to shut them up? Like, literally,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: patriarchy does so much work for the feminist side. It
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: excuses any kind of potential blame that could lie on
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: men or sorry women, and it makes them gives them
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: a whole suite of tools to tell men to just
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: know their role and shut up. And then But here's
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the other thing. This is what I'm nosing seeing from
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the feminist side. They demand that men prove that they
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: have a right to the things that supposedly patriarchy has
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: done to them. So men have to prove they have
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to right, that they have the right to have the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: issues caused by patriarchy that affects them quote unquote patriarchy.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: They have to prove they have the right to fix
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: those things, for which means if men want custody, they
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: have to do full time plus childcare first. If we
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: did this with any of women so called issues, they
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: still wouldn't have the vote. They still would be It
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: would still be legal for a bank to say no,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not giving you a loan because you're a woman,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: right because banks could say hey, hey, lady, before you
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: can get the right to or the government gets in
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and says that you can't be discriminated on the basis
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of sex. Banks still gave women loans. But the thing
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: is that they could discriminate on the basis of sex.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: It could discriminate against men on the basis of sex.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: But anyway, before you get this, ladies, you have to
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: prove that you are just as credit worthy as men.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Right before we address the wage gap, you have to
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: prove that you work as many hours as men. Before
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you get the vote, you have to prove you're willing
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice as much for the state as men in
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: defensive its laws and defense of its territories. Go ahead, ladies,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: go out on the front lines, go be part of
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: the posse comitatis to go deal without laws. Then we
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: will consider you for the vote. This is their logic. Literally,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: men have to prove they have a right to have
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: these things corrected before they will be corrected. Wow. If
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: we had that logic for women, boy, the history of
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: women's rights would look a lot different or women's privileges.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Really Yeah, anyway, I got a bunch of we haven't
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: even listened to the clip yet, but I got a
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: bunch of super chats I should read out really quick.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: So Senior Stick says, is that the reason why you
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: put old spice on your foot today? Karen second Wood,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: feminist and career women. There was no child support or
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: other money that was for five dollars. Thank you. Senior
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: sticks that second part wood feminists and career women, they
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: was no child support or other money. Are you saying
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: would feminists become career women if it weren't for child support? Yes,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think they would. I think that they see
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: that as liberating, but maybe I'm wrong. Thank you for
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: that anyway, Sorry that Karen's having problems. Albernata Retro gives
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: us five dollars. Canadian says Karen's dad sounds like Captain
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: America Americane age of Ultron. If they hurt you, hurt
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: them back. If they kill you, walk it off. And
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: then Senior six gives us two dollars and says if
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: no child support, do career women want custody? If they
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: don't have child support, they probably, Well, they might out
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: of spite. Actually they may still because they get to
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: just take it away from the man. They won't worry
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: too much about like cause like, okay, I know, while
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: we're waiting and Allison is muted. I don't know why
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: she's muted, but I'm.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Just waiting for you to finish.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, Well I read all the super chast
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: but I wanted to say about that. So my brother,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: one of my younger brothers, he got involved with a
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: woman completely like an absolute train wreck of a human being,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: one of the worst people I've ever known. And I
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: don't talk about it much because it's sort of my personal,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: my family stuff. I don't want to put that out there,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: but I will say this, You had kids with her,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: and even though she has absolutely no interest in being
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: a mother to those children, my niece and nephew, no interest. Okay,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: she does love to like lord over him, the fact
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: that she has primary custody, and she often takes control,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: like uses the children against him, and they have been
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: together in a while, and so yeah, I mean I
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: think that like even a woman who's you know, maybe
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: too busy to watch after kids, they'll bring their relatives in.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: They'll bring their sisters and their brothers and their mothers
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: and their you know, uncles and aunts and and sort
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: of like make this them the whole, like, you know,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: the family, the extended family becomes the parents. And she's
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: done that. And I've seen it all over. I mean,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: if you live in like say, the urban monoculture, which
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: is where I come from, you see it everywhere. So yeah,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: I mean it. You don't have to have like, you know,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: child support or even like be in a financially comfortable
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: place to want as a as a woman to still
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: like put you know, desire custody out of spite for
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: the father of your children. I've seen it, so I
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: know it happens. All right, anyway, thank you for that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: This is really interesting what she's saying, because it really
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: seems like a projection of what women do and women
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and a lot a lot of women's logic.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's like listen to the question. I
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: don't know if Karen's going to come back. I don't
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: know what you want to do about that, But let's.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Listen to this before we before we continue. Why don't
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: we switch to the two the two for now? All right,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: we'll just have like Karen as a Maybe what we
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: should do when things like this happen is we'll get
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: like a Karen icon that we can put up so
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: people know that she might pop in. Yeah, if it's
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: really difficult to switch.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: No, it's not a big deal. I just got to
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: turn off a few things and switch to the main scene.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: So or like this, I'll just do it like this.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: There's no video on here because if I that's like
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: sort of okay, I can. Yeah, it's gonna have to
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: do for now.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: It'll be fun.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, we please step forward.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: So I don't know about like more so. This guy
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: here on the right is a men's rights activist, the
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: plant as we call him, because he literally is sees
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: himself as a play And those on three on the
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: other side, what were you gonna say?
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess there's least I guess one feminist that
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: set it out or something.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, the other girl, the only fans chick set it out.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: She probably well I don't, I don't remember, but we could.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Let's hear a little bit of their open statements about this.
• 53:23
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but I'm coming at this from like the point
• 53:25
  Speaker 12: of view of like what's more dangerous?
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Exactly like missandry, Men's.
• 53:30
  Speaker 12: Feelings get hurt, But when it comes to misogyny and
• 53:32
  Speaker 12: like sexism, ye, women get hurt killed. So when I
• 53:36
  Speaker 12: say when I think of more, I'm not thinking like,
• 53:38
  Speaker 12: oh they have more, they face more sexism, Like is
• 53:41
  Speaker 12: the sexism like hurting you?
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: No, the same way I was looking at it when
• 53:45
  Speaker 10: I heard sexist, I just heard safety. Yeah, that's what
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: that was my main That was the way I was
• 53:49
  Speaker 10: approaching at the topic was basically men exposed.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: So so these guys are hearing sexism, and their immediate
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: thought isn't like, say, how you know, bias in chords
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: or laws or child custody or fatherlessness or bullying in abuse.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: They think of straight up domestic violence. That's what he's saying, Like, oh, sexism,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: you mean like when men beat the shit out of women.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: That's what he's saying, Like, that's hisst his brain.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Feminist framework is that men use domestic and sexual assault
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: to basically support the patriarchy. So, and this is in
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: defiance of reality because these are criminal activities that have
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: been criminal activities since we've had a civilization, okay, or
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: they have been against custom This is not something that
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: most societiess f ours I know have ever had been
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: okay with domestic abuse, like severe domestic abuse against women,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: whereas domestic abuse against men is you know, that's a
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: free action for most societies. In fact, you know, it'll
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: be a toss up whether or not a society will
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: actually punish a man for being domestically abused by his wife.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: So that's the reality. But here's the thing. They're leaving
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: out a lot of information when they say that women
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: are less or are more in danger. They're not. They
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: were one hundred percent are not. Okay, If a woman
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: became a man tomorrow, especially in Western cultures, she would
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: be four to five times more likely to die violently, right,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: And that is because this whole atmosphere of male expendability,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and maybe this is also genetic, biological, whatever, but there
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: is also this atmosphere, this miasma that justifies male expendability
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: by saying things like they have all the rights, like
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: saying things like oh, they're awful, people saying things like oh,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: men actually are terrible, criminal people who use violence to
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: subjugate women. This all is stuff out of wartime propaganda.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: It is literally designed to strip away sympathy from a
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: group of people. So we do that, and then men
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: are the majority of the people who Well, if a
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: criminal is going to choose someone that to enact violence on,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: it's going to probably be a man. Why. Well, in
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: part because we see men as the worthy, not worthy,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the acceptable victims of violence. Right, we feel like it's
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: more acceptable to deliver violence to men, So criminals will
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: choose a man, and we can see that in the studies.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Female criminals prefer to choose men. Male criminals prefer to
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: choose men. Somehow we turn that into women being oppressed,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: because we turn everything into women being oppressed like men oppressed,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: most oppressed, you know that kind of thing. But literally
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: we shoot. Men are seen by almost everybody as the
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: acceptable victims of violence and depredation and loss. So if
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: there's if you were if you do a study on
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the average person's opinion, they would prefer to see a
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: man violated. They would prefer to see a man killed,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: They would prefer to see a man starve. They would
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: prefer to see any horrible thing acted on a man
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: before a woman. And this is consistent across cultures. This
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: is something that is very prevalent in human beings. And
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: so the result of that is that things like conscription
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: make sense to us. We feel like men owe society
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: their lives just because and we can accept that we
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: were inured to the the horror, the human tragedy that
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: that is because it's done to men, and we just
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I deserve it, Like men are the worthy victims of
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: violence when it's state violence, when it's criminal violence, when
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: it's murder that's too violence should be directed at. So
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: when you say do men are men subject to sexism
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: and then you say, well, that second, I'm really thinking
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: about safety, Well, men are more likely to be murdered.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: They're more likely to be robbed, they're more likely to
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: be beaten in war zones, they're more likely to be
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: victims of kidnapping, torture that includes rape and murder. They're
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you know, like they're in every step of the way.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: The fact that men don't have these social protections, that
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: we don't see violence against them as horrific means they
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: aren't protected in the same way women are. So you
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: look across the world, men die violently, men starve more,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Men are more likely to be tortured. Now, the rape
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: question is up in the air because most of the
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: time when a male survivor says, yeah, I was raped,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: he has an additional story in a way war zone.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: In other words, So for example, there is one guy
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: who actually was counted in the rape statistics of men.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: It was in the Congo, but he was counted because
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: he was raped and then he was had his throat
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: slit with a machete, which is what usually happens to
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: male rape victims. They're killed, but he survived so he
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: was able to tell his story. And then at the
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: end of this process they say, oh, well, women are
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: more likely to be raped, no more likely to survive rape.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: And in Warzon's friend more likely to survive a war zone,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: women are more likely to survive. That's why they're seen
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: as having more things bad things done to them, because
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: they're more likely to survive. When bad things happen to
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: men in a war zone, what happens to them, They die,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: to get killed the end, and they can't be counted
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: in the statistics, and suddenly women have it worse. Why
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: because we don't care. We think men are the legitimate
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: victims of violence, and that has knock on effects everywhere.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna say men are less victims of sexism
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: because they're say they got greater safety. Bullshit. Men have
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: less safety than women, and they have less safety simply
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: because we care about them less and human being safety
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: it isn't a result of their muscles, it isn't a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: result of their effectiveness with weapons, it isn't result of
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: their ability to do martial arts. A human being safety
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: is directly a result of the care and consideration that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: other human beings have for him and her, and we
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: don't have that for men. So men are not safe
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: and this is bullshit.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, all right, let's leave some more experienced sexism. I
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 10: don't think anybody would disagree with that. I think the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 10: topic was just more sexism. Like you said, you know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 10: just simple things, just as like a man maybe just
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 10: ten feet behind you at night. You know, there are
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 10: certain thoughts that just run into your head, just simple ideas,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 10: such as being treated differently in the entertainment industry versus
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 10: home as a man. When I hear sexism again, like
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 10: you said, I view it more as just danger, you
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 10: know what I mean, like for men, me facing sexism,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: And you said, my feelings might get hurt, but I'm not.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 10: I'm not gonna feel for my life, you know what
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 10: I mean? As opposed to.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I guess you're just a superman dude, because you're
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: not afraid and women should be afraid, then, right, Like,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: if a woman is afraid for her life, that's completely rational,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: and you're not being afraid is also completely rational. So
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: you're just better than women. You're just a better man.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: You're just more courageous, despite the fact that his role
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: as a man leads him to be more likely to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: be targeted by criminals, more likely to be targeted by
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: the government, more likely to be targeted by women, and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: then end up in jail because of it. Like, your
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: role as a man is directly related to the fact
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that you are going to die violently four to five
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: times more often than a woman. But you know, don't
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: have to worry about that because well, I mean, it's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: partially because as a man he has a lower risk,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: like he has a higher risk tolerance. But of course
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: we can't recognize that as a benefit both to women
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: and to society like that can't We can't say, well,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: men's higher risk tolerance means that they're able to take
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: jobs that women would never touch with a ten foot
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: poll that are critical to running our society, you know.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: But that's you know, it doesn't matter. He's always going
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: to see men as being stronger, because that's what this is.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Men are stronger, women are weaker. Yeah, might as well
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: say one side is the women are weak side, and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: the other side is the women and men are people side.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: That's really what it is.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 12: Yeah, all right, let's you know, I feel like a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 12: lot of the sexism that men face that really impacts
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 12: them is from other men. Men make fun of each
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 12: other for like getting a salted. Men make fun of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 12: each other for like not getting the girl. Men like
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 12: these are things that if men really wanted, if these
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 12: men's right activists really wanted to change his notion, they
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 12: would be treating their fellow men better.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, but they're ridiculing them.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Huh So who's advocating for services for men? Who seems
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: like men caring about other men?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: We might need like a group of people that want
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: to discuss the ways that men are treated poorly and
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: like try to address it. This guy doesn't you know,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: I don't do you even know actual men? Like like
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: what you're you're saying, Oh, this woman's just discussed at everything,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: But like this guy is saying, here's what men's rights
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: activists believe, here's what a small subset of men do.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: I heard this from somewhere, and I'm gonna apply this
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: to this like m ras do not I don't know,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: like clown on each other for being weak or whatever
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: thing he made up. Men don't even do that to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: each other. That's like a complete cartoon view. You just
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: you're like those guys in that fucking you know ad
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: that I'm a man. I eat carburetors for breakfast.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not afraid of women. I like to give bear
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: hugs like you don't know any men. Like it's so
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: cartoonish it really upsets me. Anyway, she does look a
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: little she's got crazy eyes, though, this woman should I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: keep going, you're muted. I don't know why you muted it.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I guess you were waiting for me.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Mom's typing to some person in the vertical chat. It's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: the vertical chat is the chat for special people. I've noticed.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Well, it's where the new people show up that don't
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: know who we are. So they they are walking into
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: a conversation they are not ready for, and so they
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: opine on it like, oh, you guys look weird. Awesome.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Thanks for the contribution. You really elevated this discussion.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Go back to your tea too.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 10: Sorry, I'm just I agree with everything you're saying. Like
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 10: you said earlier, men shoot themselves in the foot. Yeah,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 10: and I believed earlier that thing.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: No, No, I'll jump ahead to fourteen fifty one. I
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: think it's just like men are to blame for their
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: own problems. Blah blah, blah blah blah.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Let me refrain that means we don't have to actually,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: not only do we not have to help men with
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: their problems, we can actually justify harming men helping each
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: other for their problems, which is what I have seen
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: over the last twenty Frikin readers. Every time men organized
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: to try to help themselves with their problems, feminists come
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: and shut it down, and we have receipts over the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: years of this happening. Now, what's incredible about now is
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: we have some a group like the Center for Men
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: and Families, which has continued to be able to operate
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: over the last ten years, getting assistance for men. Of
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: course that assist the funds for that assistance doesn't come
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: from the government. It comes from men helping men. So
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: that's why men have any services in Canada, because men
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: are helping men. And here we're going to continue to
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: strip away the lies about how men have all the rights,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: men don't need help, so we can continue to get
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: men aware that men do need help and that it's
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: entirely justified to help other men. In fact, it's really
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: critical to do so. So I think we're actually turning
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: people on, or men on to the necessity of helping
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: their fellow men, making sure their money doesn't go to
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: these initiatives for women but goes to the initiatives for
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: men instead, because nobody really supports that. And I mean eventually,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I hope. I mean women get in their initiatives paid
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: through men's taxes. So the situation is that men, when
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: women's services get paid through men's taxes, the government pays
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: for them through men's taxes. Nobody pays attention to or
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: creates services for men. That's up to men to privately
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: fund the services to help other men. Well, that needs
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: to happen, and it's important, and you're not bad for
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: wanting to provide services for other men. Women are already covered.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: They're amply covered. They're covered to the point where when
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: you look at feminist NGO financials, they're skimming. They are
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: living it large on the sluice of money that's going
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: through on women's issues.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: M M all right, all right, So now we're going
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: to talk about how miss injury is not important because
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: just doesn't.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 13: I think what's important to recognize is that massandry is
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 13: not a systemic issue. It's not ingrained in us to
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 13: the extent that there is like rhetorical mass injury of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 13: like when they're saying I hate all men, you know,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 13: it's just like individualized, like yeah, sure, unhelpful things, but
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 13: it's not an otherization in the same way that misogyny is.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Like we literally need to be able to just cope
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: with the idea that men just die, like like there
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: are men who died trying to rescue people in North
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Carolina after the hurricane. There are men in Ukraine dying
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: right now, like in droves, and we're able to sort
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: of distance ourselves from it due to a kind of
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: missandric indifference. I mean, maybe it's not like over I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: hate all men, hashtag all men bullshit. But to I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: hate these systemic arguments. I hate this. It's not systemic,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: therefore it's not important. I can't stand that kami gobbledygook.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: System Yeah, it is systemic, but they but again, the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: way they get to define what systemic is so they
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: say it's not systemic because you know, a man who
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: happens to be walking in the same direction as a
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: woman and he's like behind her. That's the systemic problem.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: He's walking in the same direction. Not We're gonna start
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: wars for the fuck of it because we don't give
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: a shit. Like there's like boots on the ground, American
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: boots on the ground in the Middle East right now.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: Men are going to die over some bullshit we don't
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: have anything to do with. And the people who are
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: doing this to us, they they count on us not
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: giving a shit. They know what happens.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: They literally the system uses idiots like this, puppets like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: this to justify sacrifice of men. That's what they're here for.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: They're here simply to justify sacrifice of men. That's all there,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: that's all their mouth flaps are doing. Men's sacrifices justified.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Men should be conscripted, men should lose their children, you know,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: men should pay the taxes and not get the services,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: because we need a class of people that takes makes
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: the sacrifices. And this is what they're beaking there. They
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: are literally the mouthpiece of the freakin' the man. I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: know that sounds ironic, the mouthpiece of all of the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: systems that require sacrifice. They're justifying it, that's all they're doing.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: More of the same thing, the same as it ever was,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: but we should read that super chow because chat yeah, no, no,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: there isn't a super chow today, but the Great Indoors
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: sent one a while back the last time, and he
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: really wants to read it.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: So uh, okay, I gotta find it. I guess.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Let me copy the message, Lincoln, I'll send it to you.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, do that. Send it to me and I'll
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: look at it. Okay, hold on, I'm just putting it,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: pulling it up. I can't put it on the screen obviously,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: but let's see. Okay. So this one is at a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: family outing? Is that the one? Yes, ten dollars from
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Great Indoors things you, and he says. At a family outing,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: a woman who married my cousin was talking about how
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: she was contemplating an abortion because it was inconvenient with
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: her planning of doing a home renovation. While said child
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: was playing on the floor behind her. All of my
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: aunts were nodding. Understandingly. She only opted out of having
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: an abortion because my cousin reacted so positively and enthusiastically
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: to the news of her pregnancy. Another colleague of mine
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: told me his wife couldn't wait to get back to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: work after her pregnancy. It really seems that modern women
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: view having children as an unfortunate, necessary obstacle. Yes, right,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: And the fact that you could talk about that with
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: your kid in the room, I mean, like I hope
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: that that child was not able to understand that her
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: mother was literally saying, if if somebody else hadn't like
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: hadn't a gas, you know, yas like me or the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: yass lit me, I might you might not be here
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: right now. You know. It's absolutely monstrous, but not shocking,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: not shocking at all.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I have a boofing dog, and I don't know where
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Karen got to.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if Karen's gonna come back.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe she's gone for good.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: But I like how they yeah, no, go ahead, go
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: do what you gotta do.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just just continue, I mean you can and just respond.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: I can continue, Okay. So I just want to point
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: out I think it's really funny that Jubilee. You know,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: they usually put like little blurbs up while these things
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: are going on, like they may like if somebody brings
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: up a statistic, they'll like bring up the statistic and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: show you what the source is or whatever, and it's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: funny here they have a source for the word miss
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: indry or miss andry I'm not sure which. I guess
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: it's miss andry technically, and it says they give you
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: the definition of miss andry dislike of, or contempt for,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: or ingrain prejudice against men, i e. The male sex
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: Oxford languages. Isn't it funny that they have to give
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: you the definition because this is how in free Equickly
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: people have heard this. Like, if somebody says misogyny, do
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: you think you're gonna see a blurb come up for that?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: Probably not right, because we're all we're all expected to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: know what that is because it's so common. But missionary, Well,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: you guys need special attention here because no one's heard
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: of this. I mean, I will say though, it is
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: a big win that this even comes up in Oxford
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: languages and people are using it more, because when I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: started doing this it you know, it wasn't something people
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: use And in fact, if you typed it into Google
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: and not Google like a word document, it would come
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: up as misspelled. I want, I don't think it does anymore,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: But if one of you guys wants to check, I
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: don't have a word I use libra office now. So anyway,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: so yeah, it doesn't matter because it's not systemic. Let's
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: keep going.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 13: Yeah, No, I think that the world has been largely
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 13: constructed through the male and man lens and in a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 13: way that has other eyed women. And so yeah, misogyny
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 13: is is is more endemic to gender relations rather than
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 13: misandry being sort of like individual outbursts of reacting to
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 13: that system exactly.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: Uh what okay, So men build society. This is this
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: is projection. By the way, whenever these people tell you
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: that men do this thing, whenever feminists tell you that
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: men are doing this thing, they're telling you that they
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: will do it to you if they get power, and
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: that they do do it in their day to day
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: life in some ways. So yeah, because men organize society
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: literally to protect women, like it's like it was the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: reason why it happened, you know, the saying, well, not
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: the same. But I had Jonathan Pacho on a while back,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: he's like an icon carver, and he said, we were
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: talking about the Hero's Journey and he was saying that
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: it is essentially the story of Christ, and then I said,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: what's the female version? He said, it's the it's the
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Virgin Mary. And I said, well, can you go into
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: a little bit? And he said, woman asked a question.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: And for a long time I didn't quite get that,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: but I do now. I think it's like women essentially
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: set the bar for the things that men will go
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: and act on. So it's the princess that sends the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: prince on the quest, and it's women who say, can
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: you make society such that I am able to comfortably
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: raise my children? And so men say, yes, we're going
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: to do that, and they do it. And so they
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: do it for women no matter whatever they tell you.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: And I'm talking to you too, Natty who thinks that
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: men only do things for their women. They do things
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: for women and society in general, because they are invested
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: in the future of their society, because they have children
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: or hope to have children in said society. It is
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: simply a system working exactly the way it's supposed to,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: except for these people who look to tear everything down,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: and that is what they want to do. They don't
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: just want to like chase things up. They even when
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: they say, oh, we just want to disrupt, no, they
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: want to destroy. That's really what it is. I'm sorry,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: but there's no other way to look at it, Like,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: you know, and it doesn't mean that like everything has
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: to be the same way all the time for all time.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: But like if you're looking at history and you are
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: literally painting it as a narrative that men oppress women
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: for all of history, then what you're saying is is
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: that at any point, even if you wrestle power away
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: from men, this imagined scenario that you have this imagined
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: narrative paradigm, right, that is literally the opposite of reality.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: What you're saying is is that if the feminists gain power,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: that is what they will do because they want they
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: have vengeance on their mind. They have resentment against something,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: by the way, that never existed. Albert Nata Retro gave
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: us five dollars Canadian says, how do those three know
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: what men do? Do the watch? Do they watch us
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: when we're doing stuff? They must know els, how else
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: would they know? Well, I mean they presume it's all
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: based in projection. Though honestly, all right, Alison's back, but
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: she's muted. I'm gonna let me jump ahead to another
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: bit here. So, oh yeah, they bring the cultural missandry
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: is evident in a lot of laws. So fifteen fifty,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: I think they bring everybody. I'll just go like right here,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 7: Cultural massandry is evident in a lot of the laws
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: that neglect men. Massandry is why homeless men don't have
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 7: as many shelters, it's why we don't take male victims
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: of domestic violence seriously, it's why men's healthcare is underfunded.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 7: And there's a psychological phenomenon called the women a Wonderful effect,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: where society and people have less empathy for men in
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: a general sense. Now there may be some nuance there
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: as there could be some negative consequences for women, but
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 7: overall we see social well for programs and laws mostly
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: disfavor men. And even if it's a male politician who
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: supports that law, he's still catering to his voters. And
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: the fact that a male politician makes a decision doesn't
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: resurrect the nineteen year old drafty who was killed in battle.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: So when you say that mass andry isn't a thing,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: I completely disagree. It's almost become fashionable. Mass anddury is
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: almost a fashionable traits among the left. And I'm not
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: a right winger. But I almost feel pushed this way
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: because when I try and talk about men's issues, I
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: get some very sharp reactions from the left.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would say that I've been given credit
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: for pointing out because this is really important, because they
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: always go to this thing where they defer to, oh,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: men have all the power. Men are in you know,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: male presidents, male congressmen, male and you know, prime ministers. Whatever. Yeah,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: but those men are there in service to women. Like so,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: so like, none of it matters. It doesn't matter what
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: the plumbing is of the I who is essentially like
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: you know, signing off on the dear colleague letter that
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: essentially you know, uh, prioritizes women's safety and women's security
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: and women's interests.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's already in feminist conjecture, right, they
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: say that will hurt themselves and other men in order
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: to serve their gender role. Well, then it's not men,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: it's the gender role that has the predominance, right, And
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: if that gender role is that men are expected to
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: be expendable, then it's not men who are in power,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: it is their expected role, and that expected role makes
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: the actual men expendable. So I mean, even feminists will
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: say that that it's it is the gender role that
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: men play, and then that that's what harms them, but
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: they won't acknowledge. Then then it's pointless to point to, oh,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: there's so many men in power. Well, they're not privileging
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: other men, they're enacting their gender role. So then you
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: have to ask what's men's gender role versus women's gender role. Well,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: men's gender role is to protect and provide for women,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: So how are women losing out on that? Anyway?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I don't know if right, No, no, this
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: male feminist is going to respond, So let's get this
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: a listen.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 13: So I just want to respond to that, just because
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 13: it was specifically.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Directed on me, that's okay. Yeah, Jojo JoJo's moved around
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: a little bit. I got to center him.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Oh well, do we never Jojo kim?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: I do? Yeah?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Wait, why don't we switch to Why don't we? Can
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: you put like Jojo as where Karen was?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think I can add JoJo's camera to the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: call because I'm in this browser only with this camera,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I can't add him to the call without
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: changing my camera to his camera.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: But but could you could you put it so that
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Jojo can be because I know that you can put
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: up Jojo and all of the other people. So could
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: you put Jojo in Karen's spot or maybe.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: Something we can well maybe yeah, yeah, sure I could
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: do that in the future. I've switched it to two
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: to two panels for now.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: So okay, that's fine. I mean it's been a while.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: I probably will have to test Karen to find out
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: what the hell's going on.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably give her.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: A phone call.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, Mike is some kind of computer rocket scientist.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Why doesn't he just fix it? But I I'll at
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: the end of the day. And I think this is
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: the lesson that you guys should take away because this
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: this kind of like men have all the power argument
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: comes up over and over and over, and it's bullshit.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: It's just like men make more of the money. Who
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: has the power doesn't matter. Who the power is used
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: on behalf of is what matters. Who has the money
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Who the money is spent on is what matters. So,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: you know, I could have a billion dollars, but if
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: I if I have to spend all of it on
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: like you know, Lindsey, then guess what, it's basically not
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: my money, So like, this is like a stupid thing
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: when they the wage gap is stupid. The men are
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: in positions of power thing is stupid. They they're only there, Like,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: there's so many factors for it. Not only do they
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: spend their money on women. Men are more likely to
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: spend more money their money on women. Women are also
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: more likely to spend money on themselves. But also men
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: in power are only in power because women put them there,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: and they usually put them there because they're expecting those
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: men to push their agendas and and and essentially address
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: their concerns or whatever it is.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, look at no offense, but look at look
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: at Trump while he is defending the system that is
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: established by the particular things that men, uh do, like
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: a meritocracy is sort of an expression of masculinity. No offense.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: I mean even feminists would say that that they would
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: Well, they don't like meritocracy, so yeah, they basically what
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: the right is, what's what what's left of the right
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: is doing, is it's defending what's left of the things
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: that men put in place to create productivity, to create
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: a fundunctional society, to make sure people have heating water
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: and let and try to protect that so that it.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Continue for future generations. But on the other hand, I
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: don't see anyone actually protecting men and recognizing that masculinity
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: comes from men. We can't just protect the emergent properties
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: and the things that masculinity makes. We need to protect
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: masculinity because otherwise what we're doing, what are we doing?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: We're caretakers, We're custodians of a crumbling empire.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, if you want to put it in
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: a really simple way, and again, I know I'm going
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: to be speaking about masculine and broad terms. So this
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: isn't me saying, you know, we men did this thing. Oh,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: but the truth is is that men mostly have produced
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: things and women have mostly consumed things. And so now
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: we're basically getting to a point where the all of
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: the production is being like kneecapped essentially, like men are
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: you know, where where not only because of like the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: literal ways that we're sort of like you know, importing
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: things and we're sending our productivity overseas and all of that,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: but also in that like men are just not able
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: to produce as much because they're the job market and
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: the economy and everything else. But women's consumption has like
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: stepped up, so like there's more consumption than production and
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: we can't sustain that. And so the only way we're
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: going to be able to like get that right is
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: for us to like make way for men to produce
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: and like make it easier for them to do that,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: and also maybe celebrate it. Maybe maybe we like, you know,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: take a step back, count our blessings, be grateful and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: allow it to continue. But it's not sustainable and currently,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: because like I said, we're living in a time where
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: there's way more consumption than production and a lot of
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: it is driven by women.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: You can look at it in a way that masculinity
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: is about establishing meritocracy, establishing competence and also excellence and
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: also create constructing things that protect and provide for others.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: So they've constructed the system. They've constructed the replicator, right,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: and now we're at the point where we don't even
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: what we don't recognize the virtue of masculinity or the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: fact that masculinity is what establishes the replicator. But there
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: are a few people who still want to protect the
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: replicator and say, hey, the replicator deserves to be serviced.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: It can't just be seen as an infinite goods machine.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: And then you have the other party that's like, no,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: the replicator is an infinite goods machine. And if it isn't,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's mean and cruel and withholding you.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: One party is like, wow, you can't make that many
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: demands on the replicator and you've got to just repair it.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: But we're well passed. Oh wait, the replicator is actually
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: something that men masculinity built. We're well past that now.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: We're just at the stage of protecting the things that
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: men built keep society running. We're just there. And it's
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: like this competition between these two identities. One identity sees
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: itself in terms of like competency, like men see themselves
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: in terms of competency. Women see themselves in terms of
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: getting things like they And you can see that in
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: someone like Manifestel. How does she value herself by making
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: it so that men give her stuff as much stuff
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: as possible, That men do everything for her, Men take
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: a shit for her, men sleep for her, men chew
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: her food, men do everything. That's how she sees value
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: herself is valued that she is completely incapable and utterly served.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: That's that is the ideal. And I think that's a
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: very sort of feminine approach, at least mostly I see
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: it in women, whereas men see them their value in
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: terms of developing competencies. And you can see that the
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: end result of developing competencies is developing systems that work
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: right and provide and protect. So that is a manifestation
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: of masculinity. What we have, everything around us, the infrastructure,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: the utilities, all of that stuff a manifestation of masculinity.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: And we can't even acknowledge that anymore. I mean we
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: can we're going to I mean, we've all suffered here
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: for doing so we can't even acknowledge that. We're just
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: at the stage of basically being a cargo cult fixing
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: this thing that apparently came from nowhere because we can't
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: acknowledge who it came from.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Yep, all right, how much longer do you want to go?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: So?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: I know that, like, we don't have a Karen right now.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: And but okay, I'm trying to find.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 9: Okay, here we go bring some society.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: Were you muted? Were you trying to say something?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: I'll try to give a a call and see what
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: happens there and all right, well, we can maybe move
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: it over to the Patron show. It's in a bit,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: but very slowly, but I guess it's.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of front loaded. Yeah, so yeah, okay.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 7: But I will disagree that we need a women's only space.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 7: I'm just saying there is a lack of men's space available,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 7: so there are homeless men and abused men who don't
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: have spaces available. We are not against women's spaces. We're
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 7: just saying there is a greater need for men's spaces
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 7: than currently existing.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 11: You guys are referring to violence like it belongs.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: To men, most of them, especially serious violence. Most of
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: the women that are getting killed domestic violence, Yes.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: They women.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 11: One out of three women in the US are We're
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 11: victim of domestic violence.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 9: Do you have an experience to pull from that you
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 9: want to share.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: I've been hit by So they're talking about fee domestic violence. Now,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: let me see and crime seventeen fifty three. Let me see.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: You guys are referring to violence like it belongs to men.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at the time codes here. Okay, yeah, oh no,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: this is good, this is good. His anecdote is pretty good.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 9: Women before I've been stabbed.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 11: Like, I've been hit multiple times by women yet on
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 11: a two hundred and twenty five pound guy of muscle,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 11: and I have twenty years of experience.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: You know what, I did nothing, I just took it.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 11: But if I were to go to the police, you
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 11: know who they would remove from the house.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 6: Me.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 11: My ex wife when I was going through a divorce,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 11: told me that she'd led to the police in order
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 11: to file the divorce faster because it was taking too
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 11: much time. Because where I'm from in Canada, it's one year,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 11: Like they will tell you that you need to be
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 11: separated for years so we have a chance to rekindle.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 11: But all I'm saying is violence is violence, no matter.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 11: I'm not saying that men are not violent. That's not
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 11: what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I've seen women
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 11: as violent. Is that it is not regarded in the
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 11: same way just as you mentioned.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: No. But I're gonna be like, oh, this is because
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: of patriarchal norms, you know, because that's usually the feminist
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: defense is always when you basically lay it out very plainly,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: and it should be a really obvious thing, a no brainer.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: Men and women can be violent. It's a human problem
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: and whatever, and it's and generally it's also still like
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: a small problem. It's not like a large number of
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: men are violent or even a large number of women
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: are violent. But when it happens, Yeah, like Aaron Pittsy
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: has you know this, That was the thing that got
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: her essentially ran out of town by feminists was her
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: recognizing the obvious truth, which is that women are also violent,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: and that was just like a step too far. So
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: he's being obvious. But the feminists always have this. They're
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: gonna whenever there's something that you can point out as
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: plainly as they will say, well, this is because of
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: you know, insert feminist talking point, traditional general roles, patriarchy, etc.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: And let's see if that's what they say, because I'm
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: pretty sure it is. I haven't seen this in a bit, but.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 11: It can seriously either. And the point I wanted to
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 11: bring is to what you said, because you mentioned that
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 11: earlier and correct me if I'm wrong. You were saying
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 11: that men are not encouraged to speak about their feelings.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: I would say largely that's true.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yet you're bringing them down in your conversation. You're
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 11: saying that being sex sixt towards a man is not
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 11: as big of a deal as being towards a woman.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 11: So on one point, you're saying that men should be
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 11: able to show their emotions, to live their emotions, however
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 11: term you want to use. But in the next sentence
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 11: you're saying that the emotion of a man don't matter
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 11: as much.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 13: Now their emotions certainly.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: No, no, he got them there. That was like, you know, checkmate.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: But of course he's going to you know, like I said,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: he's going to back it up and be like, look,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: I was raised in a middle class household. That's gonna
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: he's gonna go right to that. You know, we have
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: to imagine what can be unburdened by what has been.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 13: Matter and I think that you can express like disagreement
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 13: or even sadness if somebody is being quote unquote miss Andrew.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 13: I'm just saying it's not systemic, and that's act. As
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 13: a matter of fact, I'm saying, in the descriptive reality
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 13: of what miss Andrey is versus what misogyny is, it's
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 13: not actually systemic.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: That's a that's a dodge because by you dismissing men's
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: let's say pain, I don't know for lack of a
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: better word, as being something that just isn't real. I
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: mean that's systemic, like it's not like written in law,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: but like most people believe it. If you ask the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: average Joe, they're going to be like, yeah, men's feelings
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: don't matter as much as women's feelings. I mean, ultimately,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: that's yeah.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: I missed, I missed. I missed the great takedown here.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: So you want to go back a little bit so
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: you can watch, just summarize it for me. Okay, I'll
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: read it again. So this guy that's on the screen,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: this ninety pound weekling, this big guy who's a male
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: of men's rights activist, guy that lives in Canada, he
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: was saying that if I go to the police, you
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: know who they removed from the house. Like if he
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: was being abused, you know, if he went to the police,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: they would remove him. And he says, my ex wife,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: when I was going through a divorce, told me that
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: she lied to the police in order to file the
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: divorce faster because it was taking too much time. But
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: all I'm saying is violence is violence. I'm not saying
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: that men are not violent. That's not what I'm saying.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying is I've seen women as violent, you know,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: because this is what Aaron Pitsy had talked about. It's
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: just not regarded in the same way as when men
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: are violent. Just as you mentioned, men are not taken seriously.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: And the point I wanted to bring is that what
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: is to what you said, because you mentioned earlier and
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong. You were saying that men
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: are not encouraged to speak about their feelings, and the
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: other guy said in response, I would say largely that's true, yes,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: And then the the other guy, the big guy, the
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: muscular guy, he says, Yet you're bringing them down right
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: now in your conversation. You're saying that being sexist towards
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: a man is not as big of a deal as
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: being sexist towards a woman. So on one point, you're
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: saying that men should be able to show their emotions,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: to live their emotions, however, whatever you want to say.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: But in the next sentence you're saying that the emotions
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: of a man don't matter. Hmmm, do you see what
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: I'm saying? So, yes, it's basically you know what it is.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: It's that thing that Jordan Peterson said when he was
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: talking to Kathy Newman, and he said, you know what
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: did he say? You're willing to be offensive to me
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: in order to get to the truth. And it's your
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: you know you're apt to do so, but it is
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: it has been quite uncomfortable. You remember that about it?
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: He just was like.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Blah blah, Yeah, exactly.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: I don't even think she'd gotcha.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: I think she just has no no he he said death, Well,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: he said gotcha to her because she didn't know what
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: to do with that.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that like this, yeah, I do. The
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: situation a man has an emotion and women just blue
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: screen of death. It's just incomprehensible. It is like we're
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: listening to or me and Jonathan were watching this this
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: this update on all the new uh Tesla and uh
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Boston Dynamics robots, right, I mean it is. It would
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: be less confusing to women if that uh Tesla robot
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: came up to them and said, you know, I don't
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: like it when you I don't mock me or whatever.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: It'd be less We'd be like, oh, then it is
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: for a man to come up to a woman and
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: say I have an emotion, it's just like her freaking
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: brain shuts down, especially if she's a feminist. It's just like,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: what what you have an emotion? What?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: What? That's not allowed? That's not allowed. You're supper to
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: be strong and in power. And I'm saying this because
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: I want you to stop having emotions at me. And
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: it's like, there's so much stigma against men expressing themselves
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: in this way. And the biggest stigma is the loss
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: of sexual desirability. Okay, that is the biggest stigma as
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: far as I can tell, is that women get the ick.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: Women have an emotion, Oh for sure, Yeah, for sure.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: So women's desire is defining what men can express emotionally.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: And yet we live in a patriarchy that puts men first.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think so if we live, if we live
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: in the jurchierarchy, to put men's needs first, expressing those
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: needs would be like swimming to a fish. For men,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: it would be so easy, it would be as easy
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: as expressing their needs are for women in our society. See,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like the fact that women can freely
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: express their emotions, freely express their needs means that they
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: are respected, which means we live in a society that
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: accepts and respects women's needs and emotions. Now, there may
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: be pushback to some level, which is almost always stigmatized
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: as misogynist. But the fact that women even feel like
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: they don't lose desirability by expressing their needs, they don't
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: lose social desirability, sexually desirability by expressing their needs, they
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: don't lose their identity by expressing their needs, means that
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: women's identities, like expressing your needs are a part of
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: women's identities. And that is something that we have collectively
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: chosen as a society to grant to women, and we
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: don't grant it to men. And there is absolutely no
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: way to observe that and say we live in a
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: society that puts men's needs first. Men can't even express them.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: How could they even be put first?
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, I want to play one more
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: and then we'll go into the patron show. Okay, this
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: is like, this is one of the good, the better clips.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: This bit coming up here, and I think that let's
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: just say this was shot a while ago, and I
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: don't think it aged very well.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 13: It's actual disagreement with what men quote unquote are expressing
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 13: their feelings, which I don't think the majority of men
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 13: or even a plurality of men, are expressing those sorts
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 13: of feelings. That massandry is like some big burden on them.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: Buy more laws against men though, I mean, there's more
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 7: laws in the US that are disfavorited to men and women.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: Why is that? Like which laws?
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 13: Like the inconsequential draft.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: No, the inconsequential drafts. Let's let us let us look
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: at Okay, first of all, this guy is a little
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: too let's say, United States centric, which is really weird
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: considering they're supposed to be progressive. But let's set aside
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: the fact that we literally just put boots on the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: ground from the United States in the Middle East to
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: fight on behalf of Israel. Like we've done that, which
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: I've been against for a long time. So we put
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: boots on the ground there. But that's if you only
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: care about American men, which we don't. There are also
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: men dying in Palestine and in this whole Gaza conflict,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: as well as Ukraine and Russia conflicts. And I don't
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: care if you're talking about Ukrainians or Russians, it doesn't matter.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: They're men. So like there, and then some of them
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: are being conscripted, like in the Ukraine they conscripted people,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: So like, don't give me this like inconsequential draft bullshit,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: because it's one one act of Congress away from happening.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: And you, my friend, are probably within the age range too,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: by the way, And if they draft your ass, I
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: wonder if you're gonna sit there saying well, this isn't
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: a systemic problem, as like the helicopter is like.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: The ultimate systemic problem. Tradan war is the ultimate systemic
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: problem that dwarfs eclipses bodies, like forcing men in war.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: Also not something that women don't mind voting for. Women
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: don't mind voting for.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: That when it comes to systemic problems, Every single problem
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: the feminists I've identified for women, including the vote, is
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: a pimple on a fucking ant's ass compared to conscription
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: for men, Conscription, Mount Everest, every single problem that feminists
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: have ever identified for women, even the ones that aren't
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: actually just reappropriated problems that everyone faces, that they just
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: this is just women. They are a pimple on an
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: ant's ass compared to conscription, all right, And it astounds
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: me and will never get over this that women ever
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: felt they had anything to complain about when men were
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: being conscripted. And incidentally, I notice that when men were
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: being conscripted, there weren't that many complaints from women. They
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: suddenly started after conscription was over in like nineteen seventy three,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: but that there was a period of time couple generations
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: or generation from like nineteen forty and I think maybe
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: in the First World War, I don't know, nineteen forty
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: to like nineteen seventy three, conscription of men, women, no complaints,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: and then suddenly conscription is over, at least overtly it's over.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: And then suddenly are like, oh my god, we're so oppressed.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: We're women and we're oppressed.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: It's like that stand up comedian that cenom comedian did
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: a bit on it, and he says, man, the feminists
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: sure did wait until just the right time to start
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: demanding rights. After all the wars and everything, and we're
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: like living, you know, really comfortably with all of these
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: you know, high tech gadgets to help us around the
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: home and like essentially automate almost everything, and all of
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: a sudden they're like, now we want rights, we want equality.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really selective about a decade and you know
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: how the point of women's horrible oppression is the fifties.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: They don't. They always are like, yeah, just just look
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: at the fifties. Don't look at the decade before World.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: War which is really not not when women were oppressed.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: That's probably when women were bored. Yeah, because I was
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: oppressed by boredom. Yeah I know.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, well, and you know that's actually in a way,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: in a sort of backhanded way that almost that almost
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: speaks I don't want to say well of women, but
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: the fact that they lost their minds when they became
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: useless just I think it says something.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: But yeah, but Alison, I gotta say, though, they they
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: even if even though we did make all of those
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: like time saving, labor saving technological advances to make women
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: like more comfortable, it's not really our fault that they
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: got lazy and bored because they could have done something else.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. They know, I'm saying that, like they could
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: still have been like, oh, well, now that I have
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: this free time off of this, I'm going to do
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: this other thing. I'm going to write a book. I'm
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: going to you know, homeschool my kids, I'm going to whatever,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: like they but they didn't. They they chose laziness. They
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: chose laziness and that and that's and that, yeah, and
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: then it built a resentment. So it's not even men's
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: fault that women like had it so good because women
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: didn't use the free time that they had as a
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: consequence of that for anything useful. They just stayed bored.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: And then they got mad at men for allowing them
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: to be bored.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: So invent a new religion. Invent not a new religion,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: they did invent a new philosophy of living. There you go, ladies.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there are, yeah, there are women today
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: that have all of the all of the technological evances
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: of the modern time day, and yet they still make
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: the most of their time and fill it with stuff
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: that they think is important. Whatever it is. It could
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: be you know, uh, being active in their community. It
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: could be still you know, some kind of craft or
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: creative endeavor that is like not self serving, but like
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: you know, in service to something greater. They could be
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: more involved with other people's families. Like there's a yeah,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, but it's not just that they did, it's
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: that they still do.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: They didn't they they they ended up like this whole thing.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: And it's almost like the great our great grandmothers knew this.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: They're like, no, don't, don't give votes to women. It's
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a spy. It's gonna spiral, it's gonna spiral.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: But what ended up happening is and this is something
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: that was noted. Like a generation after votes for women happened,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: women's volunteerism dissipated. It disappeared. They used to do things
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: like soup kitchens and candy striping and all this other stuff.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: And they used to advocate for for uh, social goods
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: stuff which sometimes could be not very but whatever, But
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: they used to do this stuff and then it all disappeared,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: and it all became advocacy for self, which is astounding
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: if you think about it. But the other thing I
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: wanted to point out is the feminists will no doubt say, wow,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: who's sending the men to war? Yeah, this is what
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: I want to say to that if women don't accept
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: men's sacrifice for whatever thing we think men should sacrifice
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: to uphold national identity, what sovereignty, women's rights? If women
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: aren't reject that there was there was something, There was
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: a point in history. You know, I'm going to bring
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: up Rome, so everybody, brace yourselves. There's a point in
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: history where women were like, no, men should not sacrifice
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: for this thing, and you know what happened. An entire
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: civilization was born that we're still living in the ruins
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: of Rome.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Men.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Women simply said no, men should not sacrifice for this thing,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: and an entire civilization happened. So women do decide whether
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: or not men are sacrificed, because at one point they
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: decided not to. Right, So this is within women's power.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: It is within women's power to say no, we are
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: not going to solve political questions with men's lives, period,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: full stop. Done. I don't care if you say, if
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: you try to sell it to me as women's rights,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: I don't care if you try to sell it to
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: me as the underdog story. We do not solve political
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: questions with our men's lives. If women said that, it
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: would stop. So this is all on women, all of it.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Yep. All right, Well, I guess we're going to the
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: Patroon Show now.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've I've peaked in my fury and irritation.
• 1:46:47
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• 1:46:50
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• 1:46:54
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• 1:46:58
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• 1:47:02
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• 1:47:06
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• 1:47:08
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  Speaker 15: Next Men's Right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 15: literal machines. They are talking point machines. They are impossible
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 15: to fucking deal with, especially if you have like especially
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  Speaker 15: if you have like a couple of dudes who have
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 15: good memory. On top of that, too, holy shit, you're
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 15: fucked