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Ep 1175 | The True Depths of Joe Biden’s Immigration DISASTER Exposed! | Guest: Drew Holden · Predictable with Stu Burguiere

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  Uh,
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  Drew Holden is here for a roundup of some of the mainstream media's worst
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  hypocrisies.
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  We'll take a quick look
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  back at the first year of,
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  it's been 1 year.
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  I will say,
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  it's been 1 year of Donald Trump,
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  uh,
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  a second term.
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  He has packed 27 years of a presidency into it.
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  It has been a lot of stuff that happened in the past year.
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  We're gonna start though by doing the truth about deportations.
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  That's one of the things he's packed in
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  to this first term.
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  hatred.
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  Hatred for immigrants.
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  Deporting every single brown person,
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  did you know?
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  Only white people are left in the United States,
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  and it's only been a year.
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  Soon,
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  no more women.
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  And then
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  we'll only have Nick Fuentes.
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  That's how this ends,
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  everybody.
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  I hope you're,
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  you're ready for it.
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  The White House is going to cut funding
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  to sanctuary cities
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  and states on February 1st.
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  Yeah,
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  it's right around the corner.
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  Sanctuary cities,
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  I mean this minor policy
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  of just ignoring all of our federal immigration laws in certain cities
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  might be going away,
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  or at least they're losing funding,
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  and that could pressure some of these cities to go away.
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  That's the goal.
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  And you know,
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  again,
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  you know,
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  because these cities don't have to help,
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  they don't have to assist.
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  The
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  actual efforts against
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  the federal government in these matters are a real problem and likely illegal.
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  We'll see how the courts look at that.
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  Uh,
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  they've,
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  that's the way they've looked at it generally speaking before,
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  even when
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  there's been immigration policies that we've really liked,
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  and we've wanted the states to help,
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  and they,
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  they,
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  they've just ruled that they don't have to.
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  Uh,
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  so
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  we will see how that all plays out in the,
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  uh,
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  in the,
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  you know,
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  months and years to come,
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  but
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  I wanted to bring your attention to
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  the immigration system,
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  uh,
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  situation as a whole.
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  We talk about this generally,
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  um,
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  sometimes,
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  but really more it's about specific cases.
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  This case where this woman was shot in Minnesota or
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  in Portland,
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  or there's been this guy,
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  this father of four
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  in Maryland who was thrown out
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  to an El Salvadorian prison and then came back
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  and that whole thing happened.
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  We talk about that stuff a lot,
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  and
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  We have seen,
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  I will say this,
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  if you care about the election,
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  you care about how people
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  who don't agree with you think,
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  right,
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  that's an important part of this.
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  And as you look at
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  what
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  people who don't agree with you think,
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  what we're seeing is a group of people,
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  a decent chunk of Americans have gone from.
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  Uh,
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  Last year,
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  supporting Donald Trump's immigration policies,
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  and this year not supporting them.
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  Why is that?
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  There's a real gap there,
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  and this has turned
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  the
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  favorability ratings away from Trump at some level.
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  He has,
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  you know,
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  his big strengths in his first term were
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  the economy
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  and his
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  approach
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  on the border.
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  That has generally
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  changed.
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  This time the economy is not seen as one of Trump's strengths,
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  and this time the border,
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  while people agree generally speaking on
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  having a secure border
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  and approve him,
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  generally speaking,
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  as to what he's done on the border,
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  what they don't like are these raids that make all the news.
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  Don't like it,
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  and they keep pushing back against it and saying
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  how terrible
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  it is.
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  What they do like this time from Donald Trump is his foreign policy,
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  and that is a very
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  popular part of Donald Trump's
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  platform.
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  It deserves probably its own own show to go through all of those different things.
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  But when we're talking about immigration,
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  I want
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  to make sure you understand
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  what the truth of the matter is.
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  Is this man the most hateful person of all time?
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  Of course the answer to that is yes.
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  Obviously,
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  I mean,
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  it's Donald Trump,
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  of course he is.
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  How many people has Trump deported so far?
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  zillion is the answer to that question.
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  It's the only appropriate answer.
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  1 zillion.
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  And you,
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  you want some real hatred numbers.
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  Let me give you some names.
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  This is the New York Times,
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  so I'm going to give you the mainstream media view.
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  They're looking at this and they want,
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  they want to break this down for you,
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  to its most organic level so you understand exactly what's going on here.
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  Over the past year.
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  President Trump's administration has deported
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  about 230,000 people
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  who were arrested inside
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  the country and another
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  270,000 at the border.
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  This
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  bastard.
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  This is according to a New York Times analysis of federal data.
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  The number of deportations from
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  interior arrests since Mr.
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  Trump took office is already higher
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  than the total
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  during the entire 4 years of the Biden administration.
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  Oh.
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  Do you hear that
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  the number of deportations from interior arrests is higher
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  than the total during the entire 4 years of
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  the president that was in office and couldn't speak
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  or stay awake for more than 15 minutes.
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  Can you believe that?
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  It offers the cleanest measure of the impact
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  of Mr.
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  Trump's immigration crackdown
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  and the expansive efforts,
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  remember that expansive efforts
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  to fulfill his campaign promise to deport
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  millions of people.
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  It's a sad time,
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  sad time to be American.
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  I hope you are ashamed of your country.
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  Because of all of these deportations,
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  you've seen them all over the news all the time.
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  Anytime someone,
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  uh,
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  uh,
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  you know,
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  ICE rolls into your town,
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  we know it's a massive controversy.
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  We know they're removing just innocent people with
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  no criminal records whatsoever or something like that.
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  And by the way,
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  they have graphs to support how horrible this has been.
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  Here you go,
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  uh,
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  chartapalooza a little bit today,
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  uh,
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  podcast listeners will walk you through these graphs.
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  What you see is the number of deportations of people arrested inside the country.
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  And the previous peak you see
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  back in the Obama administration in 2012,
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  and that number was about 180,000 or so.
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  It starts to fall,
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  in fact,
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  falls to a low
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  under the first year of the Trump administration,
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  the first time,
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  rises through the Trump administration a little bit,
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  then falls to a very low,
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  low,
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  low,
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  low.
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  Uh,
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  in 2021,
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  around the COVID era,
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  and Biden
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  rises slightly through the Biden administration to 50,000 in 2024,
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  and then skyrockets
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  from 50,000 to 230,000 under this evil monster of a dictator,
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  Donald Trump.
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  Now,
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  you might say,
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  well,
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  230,000 doesn't sound like that much,
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  but there's so much more.
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  There's so much more that
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  that first graph doesn't tell you.
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  Only the second graph will tell you the truth.
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  230,000 arrested inside the country by ICE.
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  How about 150,000 arrested by border patrol at the border?
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  Other deportations,
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  120,000.
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  Deported or denied entry at the border,
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  40,000 more
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  self-deportations through the app
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  and
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  it feels like we're stretching a little bit with this 1
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  70,000 people
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  who were crew
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  on ships
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  that were
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  not allowed to disembark.
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  Which I guess that's a,
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  hey,
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  no,
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  you stay on that ship.
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  No fun weekend,
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  no excursions,
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  no,
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  uh,
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  tours on the little bikes that don't fall over.
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  What are they called,
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  uh,
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  Segways.
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  No Segway tours for you
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  of the city.
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  You stay on that ship
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  the entire time.
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  OK.
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  That is apparently
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  where we are.
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  We're now measuring how many people,
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  uh,
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  have to stay on ships when they're at port.
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  OK,
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  so that is the horrible record of Donald Trump,
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  and it goes on,
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  you know.
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  At the same time,
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  the number of people trying to cross the Southwest border has fallen to record lows.
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  Yup,
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  just like this mean president would do.
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  As a result,
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  far fewer people were arrested and deported
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  from the border than in the preceding few years.
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  And that's.
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  Kind of an interesting detail there,
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  right,
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  but you know,
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  that doesn't
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  overwhelm that he's exported all brown people,
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  which we learned earlier on the program.
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  Uh,
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  even with the large increase in the interior
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  enforcement and the slowdown at the border,
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  the deportations of border crossers still made up about half the total.
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  CBP directly deported or denied entry to 120,000 people.
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  ICE deported another 150,000 people who were first arrested at the border.
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  Some of those people,
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  about 14%,
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  were in detention awaiting their immigration proceedings before Mr.
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  Trump took office.
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  OK,
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  well,
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  that's a small percentage,
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  but 14% of the people that we're talking about here.
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  You know,
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  were already
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  in custody before Trump even took office.
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  Not sure you can blame him or give him credit for that,
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  but.
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  We move on.
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  I'm a little,
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  I'm a little suspicious about how this is going,
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  but OK.
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  Another roughly 40,000 people returned to their countries
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  after the self-deport thing we talked about.
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  That brings the total number of deportations since Mr.
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  Trump took office to 540,000.
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  Do you believe that?
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  540?
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  Never before in our history
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  have we deported 540,000 people in a year.
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  Except for the last two years of the Biden administration.
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  That brings the total number of deportations since Mr.
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  Trump took office to 540,000 fewer.
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  That in the last 2 years of the Biden administration.
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  When border crossings were at record highs,
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  those were 590,000 total deportations in 2023
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  and 65,000,020.
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  24
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  Wait a minute,
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  I was told that Donald Trump was deporting all the brown people,
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  and now I'm told that
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  Joe Biden was deporting more people
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  in the last two years of his administration.
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  That Donald Trump has
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  Well,
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  certainly,
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  previous years he didn't do that,
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  right?
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  Unless of course you look at the chart here,
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  and here's the chart now.
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  What you're seeing here,
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  if I might describe to our,
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  uh,
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  fancy,
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  uh,
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  podcast listeners,
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  we appreciate you subscribing to the podcast,
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  by the way,
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  uh,
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  deportations of people arrested at the border was,
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  yeah,
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  you know,
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  in the 400,000 range back during the Obama administration.
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  During the first Trump administration was lower,
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  in the 300,000 range probably on average.
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  Uh,
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  it did tick up over 500,000 in his last year in office.
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  Why?
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  Well,
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  COVID,
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  there's a lot more,
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  we had a big,
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  uh,
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  program that deported people who,
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  who,
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  uh,
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  you know,
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  may have been,
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  uh,
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  suspected of having COVID-19 or didn't go through the,
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  the proper channels,
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  uh,
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  you know,
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  having all the tests and everything done.
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  Uh,
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  the COVID era expulsions route rose to 1.25 million in Joe Biden's first year.
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  Along with regular deportations,
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  that number stayed at about 1.2 million the next year,
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  finally dropped down to about 900,000.
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  In the third year of the Biden administration
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  and then at 650,000.
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  In the last year,
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  now it's dropped to 260,000 during
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  Trump.
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  You know,
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  I don't feel like the news has reflected reality.
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  Now,
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  I appreciate the New York Times not
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  hiding that.
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  OK.
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  Again,
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  this is where we are with the media,
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  where I have to actually
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  thank them for not actively hiding something that dismantles their narrative.
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  So I will give them credit for that.
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  However,
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  they've had an entire year of building the
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  narrative that they should be held responsible for.
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  And you might say,
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  well,
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  I mean they must have explained this,
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  they must have addressed
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  why they've been panicking about immigration this entire time,
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  and now we find out
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  that actually the numbers were down
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  from the Biden administration.
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  There must be an explanation,
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  they must have attempted an explanation,
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  and you,
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  if you ask that question,
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  if you said that phrase,
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  you would be correct,
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  cause they did.
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  Are you ready for it?
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  Under Mr.
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  Trump,
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  immigration arrests and deportations are much more visible.
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  Oh,
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  they're more visible.
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  Now,
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  how many times have you personally,
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  I'm asking you this question,
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  I want you to internalize it.
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  As you're driving,
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  as you're listening to,
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  you're on a treadmill,
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  you're listening to your podcast,
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  in your awesome Rayon headphones,
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  and you think to yourself,
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  hey,
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  Self
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  How many
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  actual illegal immigrants have I personally seen be deported?
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  And if you're like me,
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  the answer might be
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  none.
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  Now,
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  you might be in an area where you do see this,
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  maybe you're in a,
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  in a more urban area,
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  maybe you're hanging out at Home Depots all the time and everybody out in front
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  has been
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  arrested,
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  but that's just one area.
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  How are you aware
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  that this is happening all over the country?
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  Part of it is that Donald Trump and Christie Nome brag about it.
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  That's part of it.
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  But part of it would also be
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  because of the coverage
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  of the media,
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  which would make those incidents far more visible.
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  How do you see events happen that don't occur in front of you?
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  You've got eyeballs to see your surroundings.
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  How do you know they happened in Montana or Illinois or Portland or Seattle?
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  How did you know
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  about that shooting
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  of Ms.
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  Good?
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  How did you know about that?
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  Well,
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  the media was very much putting it in front of your face constantly,
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  so the things that are more visible to you.
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  Pretty typically come
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  from the media
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  who's complaining about how visible they've become.
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  Under Mr.
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  Trump,
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  immigration arrests and deportations are much more visible
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  and disruptive to communities across the country.
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  The administration has also aggressively publicized its enforcement actions
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  with a steady stream of slickly produced videos,
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  memes,
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  and mug shots.
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  In the past,
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  ICE made most of its arrests in partnership with local jails and prisons,
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  quietly taking
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  into custody immigrants who had already been arrested
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  by another law enforcement agency.
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  And you might say,
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  you might pause there.
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  Let's say you're on the left,
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  you might pause there and say,
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  see.
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  This is the thing,
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  previous administrations,
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  sure,
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  they might be deporting more people,
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  but they're doing it in a nice way,
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  right?
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  They're doing it kindly and calmly,
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  behind closed doors so we don't see it,
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  because
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  the problem doesn't exist if we don't see it.
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  Have you noticed how much more
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  visible
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  Donald Trump seems to be in this particular realm?
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  And you might
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  think that.
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  And if you're on the left,
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  that's probably where your thinking stops.
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  You probably don't think about,
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  well,
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  why?
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  Why would the president choose,
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  instead of just arresting them and taking them and deporting them out of a prison,
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  which would be very easy to do,
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  why would they choose
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  to go door to door?
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  Why would they choose to go to a Home Depot and
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  arrest people when they could just go to the prison,
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  the local prison
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  that has all these people behind bars and just take them out?
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  That seems so much easier.
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  Why would they do that?
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  You know why?
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  Hatred of brown people.
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  That's why.
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  Or
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  could it possibly be a slightly different reason?
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  Arrests in jails and prisons went up over the past year,
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  but the increase was far exceeded by the growth in what ICE calls at large arrests,
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  the apprehensions of immigrants on the streets,
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  the courthouses and homes,
• 16:04
  and the businesses.
• 16:05
  These quadrupled to 150,000 and made up a majority of
• 16:07
  immigration's arrests in 32 states and in Washington DC,
• 16:10
  and that is true.
• 16:11
  Look at this chart.
• 16:12
  You see a rise.
• 16:13
  And what you see though at the beginning of this,
• 16:16
  before Donald Trump gets into office,
• 16:17
  is the orange line,
• 16:19
  which represents arrests at prisons and jails,
• 16:22
  higher.
• 16:23
  Then the red line,
• 16:24
  which
• 16:26
  Talks about arrests inside of communities.
• 16:29
  Why would that be?
• 16:32
  Hm,
• 16:32
  have you,
• 16:32
  have you thought about it?
• 16:33
  Have you figured that out yet?
• 16:36
  They were most common in states like California,
• 16:38
  Illinois,
• 16:39
  and New York,
• 16:39
  where
• 16:41
  Local governments have passed laws blocking local jails
• 16:45
  and prisons from transferring people to ICE custody.
• 16:52
  Got it.
• 16:54
  So in the past,
• 16:55
  when Biden was in office,
• 16:56
  he would just take them gently from the
• 16:59
  prisons where they already were for committing other crimes
• 17:02
  and take them out and deport them quietly so they were far less visible.
• 17:07
  But when Trump has got into office,
• 17:08
  what they've done
• 17:10
  is to say to ICE,
• 17:12
  we're not working with you,
• 17:13
  you're the Gestapo.
• 17:15
  So we're not handing these people over to you anymore,
• 17:19
  therefore they must be arrested
• 17:22
  in communities.
• 17:23
  But this is Donald Trump's fault somehow.
• 17:26
  I wanna make sure you understand that.
• 17:29
  By the way,
• 17:29
  here's the map of the actual places.
• 17:32
  This is the states where
• 17:33
  you see a lot of the at-large arrests.
• 17:35
  Where are they?
• 17:37
  Washington,
• 17:37
  Oregon,
• 17:38
  Illinois,
• 17:40
  New York,
• 17:41
  Vermont,
• 17:42
  Massachusetts,
• 17:44
  Connecticut,
• 17:45
  some Dewey,
• 17:46
  Pennsylvania and Alaska,
• 17:47
  which are a purple state and a red state,
• 17:49
  but almost all
• 17:51
  bright blue states,
• 17:52
  California.
• 17:53
  And Minnesota also
• 17:55
  in the orange in that particular
• 17:57
  map.
• 17:58
  These are blue state policies preventing
• 18:01
  these nice,
• 18:02
  easy,
• 18:02
  not so visible
• 18:04
  arrests of illegal immigrants and deportations.
• 18:08
  The rate of deportations of people with
• 18:10
  a violent criminal conviction or other record
• 18:13
  has doubled,
• 18:15
  while the rate of people with no criminal record has gone up
• 18:18
  more than 6 times.
• 18:19
  And you might say,
• 18:20
  well,
• 18:20
  wait a minute,
• 18:21
  wow,
• 18:21
  that sounds terrible,
• 18:21
  at least that part's bad.
• 18:23
  Sure,
• 18:23
  your other nonsense,
• 18:24
  Stu,
• 18:24
  I,
• 18:25
  I got it,
• 18:25
  you're just
• 18:26
  shilling for the president.
• 18:28
  But there you got something,
• 18:30
  right?
• 18:30
  Yeah,
• 18:31
  sure,
• 18:31
  the criminals have been deported at a double high rate.
• 18:34
  By the way,
• 18:34
  shouldn't,
• 18:34
  shouldn't that be something we all cheer?
• 18:36
  Just want to make sure I understand that.
• 18:37
  But the non-criminals
• 18:39
  have been deported at a rate 6 times higher.
• 18:42
  First of all,
• 18:43
  I've got news for you.
• 18:44
  If you're an illegal immigrant,
• 18:46
  the first step you took
• 18:48
  into the country.
• 18:50
  was a crime
• 18:52
  That is actually the crime,
• 18:54
  that little first step.
• 18:56
  That indicates the word illegal in the title illegal immigrants.
• 19:00
  So you can say all you want that it's not a crime,
• 19:02
  you can argue,
• 19:03
  well,
• 19:03
  it's not really a crime if you really look at it,
• 19:06
  it's not really,
• 19:07
  really illegal,
• 19:08
  it's just kind of illegal.
• 19:09
  You can come up with all the justifications that you like on that front,
• 19:12
  but you know exactly what we're talking about.
• 19:14
  But separate from that,
• 19:15
  I want to give you those numbers as well.
• 19:17
  People in the US for 4 more years,
• 19:19
  Trump is,
• 19:19
  is,
• 19:19
  uh,
• 19:20
  deporting them at a higher rate,
• 19:21
  from 1300 per month to 33,500 per month.
• 19:25
  Uh,
• 19:25
  I guess he just doesn't think
• 19:26
  committing the crime for a longer period of time
• 19:29
  is worth much,
• 19:30
  uh,
• 19:30
  to keep you in the country.
• 19:31
  Potential Dreamers have increased.
• 19:33
  Children up 56 times,
• 19:36
  from 10 to 60.
• 19:38
  What about if you have a past violent conviction?
• 19:41
  Well,
• 19:41
  from 790 to 1100.
• 19:43
  With other past convictions from 2300 to 3900,
• 19:46
  with criminal charges that are pending from 750 to 2700,
• 19:50
  with no criminal record though,
• 19:52
  280 to 2100.
• 19:54
  Now of course,
• 19:55
  again I note the criminal record part I don't agree with,
• 19:57
  that's a BS claim,
• 19:59
  but
• 20:00
  If you see the overall majority of people here,
• 20:03
  they do have a criminal record.
• 20:05
  Yes,
• 20:06
  it's gone up 6 times,
• 20:08
  but 6 times in a smaller category from a smaller number.
• 20:12
  You've got about,
• 20:12
  I don't know,
• 20:13
  less than 2000 extra people per month with quote unquote no.
• 20:16
  Criminal record when you're talking about thousands and thousands
• 20:19
  of people with past violent convictions with other convictions,
• 20:23
  with pending criminal charges,
• 20:25
  the overwhelming majority of these deportations are people with
• 20:30
  criminal records outside of them just being here illegally.
• 20:34
  So,
• 20:35
  where do we end this?
• 20:36
  I'll end it with this one.
• 20:38
  Experts generally agree
• 20:40
  that Mr.
• 20:41
  Trump's policies have started to shrink
• 20:43
  the population of undocumented immigrants.
• 20:45
  By the way,
• 20:46
  that's good
• 20:46
  and it's something that he promised,
• 20:48
  but they disagree
• 20:49
  about how much
• 20:51
  and about whether the much larger overall immigrant
• 20:55
  population
• 20:56
  is still.
• 20:58
  Growing.
• 21:02
  Growing is the word I just said,
• 21:04
  growing.
• 21:07
  Now
• 21:08
  There is some disagreement.
• 21:10
  The Brookings Institution had it a little
• 21:12
  bit smaller on the immigration population.
• 21:14
  The uh the actual official numbers showed a higher,
• 21:18
  but again,
• 21:19
  for a person who hates all immigrants
• 21:22
  except for the one he married.
• 21:25
  Uh,
• 21:25
  but the person who hates all immigrants.
• 21:29
  May very well have gone through a year
• 21:31
  where he's been deporting every brown person available,
• 21:35
  and has ended up with more immigrants in the country
• 21:38
  than when he started.
• 21:40
  That's the hatred of this president,
• 21:42
  apparently,
• 21:43
  and uh wow,
• 21:44
  what a fascinating time to be alive.
• 21:46
  I again,
• 21:46
  give the New York Times a little bit
• 21:47
  of credit of actually highlighting these numbers,
• 21:50
  which by the way,
• 21:50
  dismantle everything they've been saying for the past year,
• 21:52
  but they should also be held responsible
• 21:55
  for what they've been saying over the past year.
• 21:58
  Being an illegal immigrant is not allowed in this country.
• 22:01
  If you are here illegally,
• 22:03
  you should be removed.
• 22:04
  That is how the system works.
• 22:06
  If you want to come here,
• 22:08
  I know there is some disagreement on the right even on this.
• 22:11
  If you want to come here legally,
• 22:12
  I myself
• 22:14
  welcome you here.
• 22:15
  I'm glad you're here.
• 22:16
  In most circumstances,
• 22:18
  we have to be better at making sure we pick the
• 22:20
  right people to come with the right qualifications and you know,
• 22:24
  issues that do not make the country any worse.
• 22:26
  We want to make immigrants to make us better.
• 22:27
  If you're coming here to make us better,
• 22:29
  you believe in this country,
• 22:30
  you love this country,
• 22:30
  welcome.
• 22:31
  Just come here legally.
• 22:33
  That being said,
• 22:34
  if you're here illegally,
• 22:35
  if you've committed other crimes,
• 22:36
  if you've committed already and have been convicted of past violent offenses
• 22:41
  like child molestation and homicide,
• 22:43
  people we've already highlighted on the show multiple times,
• 22:46
  then get out.
• 22:47
  And I don't care how visible it is that you're removed.
• 22:51
  Let us know.
• 22:52
  I'm fine with it.
• 22:53
  The American people need to understand this information
• 22:55
  and digest it a little bit more,
• 22:57
  because if they're making decisions based on the day to day coverage,
• 23:01
  they're going to wind up making
• 23:02
  the wrong ones.
• 23:13
  A good night doesn't have to cost you the next day,
• 23:16
  uh,
• 23:16
  you know,
• 23:17
  I will say,
• 23:18
  occasionally,
• 23:19
  we'll have an adult beverage and enjoy an adult beverage myself
• 23:22
  for a couple of weeks out from the Super Bowl.
• 23:24
  That might be the,
• 23:25
  the week I enjoy the most,
• 23:27
  uh,
• 23:28
  adult beverages,
• 23:29
  and I,
• 23:30
  though in the morning,
• 23:31
  especially as I
• 23:32
  have put on a few years and pounds,
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  but also years,
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  uh,
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• 25:14
  Happy to welcome Drew Holden back to the program.
• 25:16
  He's the managing editor of Commonplace and also the author of Holden Court,
• 25:20
  the newsletter which you can
• 25:21
  find at Drew Holden.substack.com.
• 25:24
  Be sure to check it out.
• 25:25
  Drew,
• 25:25
  how's it going?
• 25:27
  Stu,
• 25:27
  it's going well,
• 25:28
  sir.
• 25:28
  How are you doing?
• 25:29
  Doing well.
• 25:29
  Tell me about the new gig,
• 25:30
  first of all.
• 25:31
  Well,
• 25:31
  yeah,
• 25:32
  so I am,
• 25:33
  I,
• 25:33
  I,
• 25:33
  I've done your show a bunch talking about my sub-stack,
• 25:35
  right?
• 25:36
  I,
• 25:36
  I do a lot about the media.
• 25:37
  Um,
• 25:38
  I'm also the,
• 25:38
  the editor,
• 25:39
  the managing editor at Commonplace,
• 25:41
  which is a new magazine from American Compass.
• 25:43
  We launched last year,
• 25:44
  we just had our one year anniversary.
• 25:46
  I'm trying to do a little bit more where I kind of
• 25:48
  bridge the,
• 25:49
  the two rivers a little bit,
• 25:50
  uh,
• 25:50
  and then talk more about Commonplace.
• 25:51
  I think we have an excellent publication.
• 25:53
  Ah,
• 25:54
  but I wanted to make sure that your viewers were familiar with it and knew that when I,
• 25:57
  when I'm talking to you,
• 25:57
  when I'm,
• 25:58
  you know,
• 25:58
  all this stuff,
• 25:59
  all this energy,
• 26:00
  all these pieces that I've got kind of floating around my head,
• 26:02
  it's not just from the sub stack,
• 26:03
  it's not just because I,
• 26:05
  I spend too much time on Twitter,
• 26:06
  I promise.
• 26:07
  There's a real thing that I also get paid 9 to 5 to do.
• 26:09
  No,
• 26:10
  that's great,
• 26:10
  yeah,
• 26:10
  so check it out,
• 26:11
  Commonplace,
• 26:11
  uh,
• 26:11
  very cool.
• 26:12
  Um,
• 26:12
  I wanted to,
• 26:13
  uh,
• 26:13
  start,
• 26:14
  uh,
• 26:14
  Drew,
• 26:14
  if we could,
• 26:14
  with a,
• 26:15
  a bit of media criticism.
• 26:16
  I was just engaging with just a moment ago,
• 26:18
  which was on the deportations situation.
• 26:21
  There's a big story in The New York Times that came out.
• 26:22
  I want to give you two pieces of it that I just highlighted,
• 26:24
  but I want to highlight them again because it's so insane.
• 26:26
  After everything we've heard
• 26:28
  about Donald Trump's immigration policy,
• 26:30
  these two paragraphs stick out to me in The New York Times.
• 26:34
  40,000 people returned to their country because of the self-deport CBP app thing.
• 26:39
  That brings the total number of deportations since Mr.
• 26:41
  Trump took office to 540,000.
• 26:44
  Fewer
• 26:45
  than in the last two years of the Biden administration,
• 26:49
  which was 590,000 to 650,000.
• 26:52
  They go through this case to say,
• 26:54
  oh well,
• 26:54
  these are much more visible,
• 26:55
  the one that Trumps are doing though.
• 26:58
  They're in these communities.
• 26:58
  They're not just taking these people nicely out of
• 27:00
  jails.
• 27:01
  Like what President Biden was,
• 27:03
  and then we get this paragraph a little bit later on.
• 27:06
  The in-com community arrests were most common in states like
• 27:09
  California,
• 27:10
  Illinois,
• 27:10
  and New York,
• 27:11
  where local governments have passed laws blocking local jails
• 27:15
  and prisons from transferring people to ICE custody.
• 27:19
  This dismantles the entire year of narratives,
• 27:22
  Drew,
• 27:22
  and they're just laying it out for us.
• 27:24
  It's,
• 27:25
  it's unbelievable,
• 27:26
  Stu.
• 27:26
  I mean,
• 27:26
  the,
• 27:27
  the idea that somehow this could have been done easier and
• 27:30
  better has just now occurred to the New York Times,
• 27:32
  which is really wonderful,
• 27:33
  I think,
• 27:33
  for people,
• 27:34
  for people who care about whether or not people are in this country legally,
• 27:36
  I think it is
• 27:37
  perhaps valuable the New York Times has caught on
• 27:39
  that there might be other things that are.
• 27:41
  Preventing people
• 27:42
  who should be deported from being deported.
• 27:44
  But the,
• 27:45
  you're right,
• 27:46
  for,
• 27:46
  for the entirety of Trump's first term,
• 27:49
  for the duration now of his second term,
• 27:51
  the narrative has been,
• 27:52
  look at him doing all these awful,
• 27:53
  horrible things he doesn't have to do,
• 27:55
  cause he's mean and it's mean-spirited.
• 27:58
  When in reality,
• 27:59
  as even the Times it now occurs to them,
• 28:02
  states are waging war against the admin to prevent them from doing these things
• 28:07
  that they ought to be doing,
• 28:08
  and the Times somehow is upset that Trump hasn't deported enough people.
• 28:12
  It's,
• 28:12
  it is preposterous,
• 28:14
  it is perplexing.
• 28:15
  Um,
• 28:16
  but you would think I almost wonder if sometimes these pieces,
• 28:19
  they have one editor for one segment of it and another editor for another,
• 28:22
  and they just don't talk to each other,
• 28:23
  right?
• 28:24
  Like you,
• 28:24
  within the same piece you get this,
• 28:26
  this terrible internal contradiction,
• 28:28
  uh,
• 28:28
  and this seems to be another one of those.
• 28:29
  It's like,
• 28:30
  guys,
• 28:30
  come on.
• 28:31
  Yeah,
• 28:32
  it's,
• 28:32
  it's absolutely incredible,
• 28:33
  and I will say it's not without consequence,
• 28:35
  right?
• 28:35
  When,
• 28:35
  when you
• 28:36
  convince an entire country that the Gestapo is coming
• 28:39
  for them on a night to night basis,
• 28:41
  the SS is right around the corner,
• 28:43
  you get incidents like we've seen.
• 28:45
  In Minneapolis,
• 28:46
  and you have an entire situation where there's a group of people who are convinced,
• 28:51
  you know,
• 28:52
  that
• 28:53
  they're basically,
• 28:54
  uh,
• 28:54
  you know,
• 28:54
  in World War II and the Nazis are coming from them,
• 28:57
  and they're acting accordingly in some ways,
• 28:59
  which is terrifying because that's not accurate.
• 29:02
  Yeah,
• 29:02
  it's and you know,
• 29:03
  I think this this talk of fascism,
• 29:05
  right?
• 29:05
  This is something that started under Trump's first term,
• 29:07
  we see it a lot now in his second term,
• 29:08
  particularly tied to deportation,
• 29:10
  what ICE is doing.
• 29:11
  There's this concern that,
• 29:12
  oh,
• 29:12
  these,
• 29:12
  these bad evil people,
• 29:13
  these ICE agents,
• 29:15
  they're,
• 29:15
  they're
• 29:16
  the,
• 29:16
  you know,
• 29:16
  they're the boot,
• 29:17
  the jackboot of fascism is coming for these communities in Minnesota.
• 29:21
  And there's never any interest in getting beyond
• 29:24
  these like scary scenes of.
• 29:25
  These guys,
• 29:26
  they've got guns,
• 29:26
  they've got masks,
• 29:27
  what could they be doing?
• 29:28
  You know,
• 29:28
  there's a great one that that just happened the other day on,
• 29:30
  on Twitter.
• 29:31
  You had all of these advocates out in Minnesota who are protesting
• 29:34
  that a man was pulled in the dead of the Minnesota winter
• 29:37
  into the street to be arrested,
• 29:39
  and you know,
• 29:39
  ICE was knocking on his door,
• 29:41
  then they,
• 29:41
  they opened it up and they pulled him out,
• 29:43
  and it turns out he had two people who he was protecting,
• 29:46
  he was shielding in there,
• 29:47
  who were illegal immigrants.
• 29:49
  One of whom I believe had been convicted of murder,
• 29:51
  the other was a pedophile.
• 29:52
  He was a,
• 29:53
  he was a child rapist,
• 29:54
  and ICE had
• 29:55
  it standing deportation orders for both of these guys,
• 29:57
  and it's like,
• 29:58
  it
• 29:59
  it the,
• 29:59
  the,
• 29:59
  the sides you think you have,
• 30:01
  the side you think you are on and the side you think you're opposing,
• 30:04
  you misunderstand both of them terribly.
• 30:06
  Um,
• 30:06
  and I think you're right,
• 30:07
  like the,
• 30:07
  the other,
• 30:08
  it's not just a matter of like,
• 30:09
  oh people get things wrong and now all these people are misunderstanding.
• 30:12
  You have people
• 30:14
  who are actively attacking ICE agents.
• 30:16
  You have people who are deliberately
• 30:18
  stopping the deportation of people with standing deportation
• 30:21
  orders who should be deported from this country,
• 30:23
  but I,
• 30:23
  I think we can all agree.
• 30:24
  And I think the,
• 30:25
  the most
• 30:27
  The most dangerous aspect of this
• 30:29
  is that you have violence perpetrated against these people,
• 30:31
  because if you are of the belief
• 30:33
  that this is the Gestapo,
• 30:34
  that this is the SS,
• 30:35
  that,
• 30:35
  that you are hiding Anne Frank
• 30:38
  in your attic.
• 30:39
  And the people coming to get her must be the Nazis.
• 30:42
  Why wouldn't you take more
• 30:44
  direct action?
• 30:44
  Why wouldn't you do something dangerous?
• 30:46
  Why wouldn't you do something violent?
• 30:47
  And if you spin people up on these narratives,
• 30:49
  this ended,
• 30:50
  the the the world is ending,
• 30:51
  democracy is dying,
• 30:52
  you're going to have more reactions like this.
• 30:54
  Yeah,
• 30:54
  and it's amazing,
• 30:55
  of course,
• 30:55
  you get rewarded,
• 30:56
  afterward,
• 30:57
  you become the hero of the story if you are resisting even.
• 31:00
  If
• 31:01
  terrible outcomes happen,
• 31:03
  and a lot of times they just leave this stuff out or
• 31:06
  at least push it down in the article.
• 31:07
  You had a good example from,
• 31:09
  I think it was in The New York Times,
• 31:11
  where not in the top paragraph where they tell the story,
• 31:14
  not in the second paragraph,
• 31:14
  but at the end of the 3rd paragraph,
• 31:16
  this is what you hear
• 31:18
  when the officer caught up to him,
• 31:19
  Ms.
• 31:19
  McLaughlin.
• 31:20
  said he began to resist and violently assault the officer.
• 31:24
  She said two people came out of a nearby building along with the man being sought
• 31:27
  and attacked the officer with a snow shovel and a broom handle.
• 31:32
  These are basic things,
• 31:33
  you know.
• 31:33
  I was talking to somebody the other day who was like,
• 31:35
  Hey,
• 31:35
  when you drive a
• 31:37
  Car cops that used to just be called suicide by cop,
• 31:40
  right
• 31:41
  now we're expecting the police officer to just either get run over or,
• 31:45
  you know,
• 31:45
  I don't know,
• 31:46
  massage the culprit until it's over.
• 31:49
  This is an insane standard for the police officers,
• 31:52
  and
• 31:52
  they're not telling us the truth,
• 31:54
  at least not up front.
• 31:55
  That,
• 31:56
  and that's the thing that I think really
• 31:57
  kills me is that they're deliberately burying it,
• 31:59
  right?
• 32:00
  These,
• 32:00
  the facts are reported in,
• 32:01
  and this,
• 32:01
  this happens a lot,
• 32:02
  I think,
• 32:02
  Stuart,
• 32:03
  in the media where
• 32:04
  there is an inconvenient fact for the narrative.
• 32:07
  And in a lot of cases,
• 32:08
  people say,
• 32:08
  oh the the media didn't talk about this.
• 32:10
  In many cases they did,
• 32:11
  right?
• 32:11
  It's just way further down.
• 32:13
  It is not the thing that got the headlines,
• 32:15
  it's not the way the story is told,
• 32:16
  it's not the framing for all these articles,
• 32:18
  and so to your
• 32:19
  To your point,
• 32:20
  you know,
• 32:20
  the story you just mentioned,
• 32:21
  the New York Times ran a story,
• 32:23
  a ton of other outlets did too,
• 32:25
  um,
• 32:25
  that a migrant,
• 32:27
  always,
• 32:27
  it's always the term migrant,
• 32:28
  a migrant was shot in the leg.
• 32:31
  By,
• 32:31
  by ICE in Minnesota.
• 32:33
  That was the headline,
• 32:33
  right?
• 32:34
  And it's inflaming tensions and there's all these things
• 32:36
  going on and it's dangerous and it's scary,
• 32:38
  and why would ICE shoot somebody within,
• 32:40
  in the midst of all of these things?
• 32:41
  Obviously it's just throwing a match onto a powder keg,
• 32:44
  and then you read,
• 32:45
  if you read the story,
• 32:46
  so one of the things I always,
• 32:47
  I always have to do,
• 32:48
  I think in the,
• 32:48
  the kind of
• 32:49
  the,
• 32:49
  the self-appointed role I have with the media gatekeeping,
• 32:52
  or guard keeping at least,
• 32:53
  is I,
• 32:54
  I read these stories,
• 32:55
  and so in these stories it's 456 paragraphs down.
• 32:58
  Oh,
• 32:59
  this guy and a couple of his friends or maybe family members attacked the ICE agent
• 33:03
  who fired in self-defense and and shot the guy in the leg,
• 33:06
  right?
• 33:06
  That's,
• 33:06
  that's the real story.
• 33:08
  That's the thing that actually matters,
• 33:09
  that's the thing that's happening on the ground.
• 33:11
  But instead people look at him and say,
• 33:12
  oh,
• 33:13
  ICE is shooting people in Minnesota,
• 33:14
  this is.
• 33:15
  Horrible.
• 33:15
  Why are we allowing this to happen?
• 33:17
  It's Trump,
• 33:17
  he's evil.
• 33:18
  And that's,
• 33:18
  that's the narrative that's created by all of these things.
• 33:21
  Yeah,
• 33:21
  it really,
• 33:22
  it really is,
• 33:22
  and you bring up the reaction to it,
• 33:24
  which is the,
• 33:24
  the,
• 33:25
  the inflaming tensions narrative.
• 33:27
  This is really common from the media,
• 33:29
  and you point this out,
• 33:30
  and I think it's a good point.
• 33:32
  You have a situation where someone breaks the law,
• 33:34
  right?
• 33:35
  Then an ICE agent goes to arrest them,
• 33:38
  whether it's an illegal immigration violation or some other unrelated crime.
• 33:42
  They go and arrest them,
• 33:43
  but in between those two things,
• 33:45
  the media is telling you over and over and over again,
• 33:47
  the SS is coming,
• 33:48
  these people are terrible.
• 33:49
  You have to defend these poor innocent people.
• 33:51
  Then when something happens,
• 33:53
  an incident occurs during this arrest,
• 33:55
  something goes terribly wrong.
• 33:58
  The framing often is the inflammation of tensions
• 34:03
  caused it.
• 34:04
  It's like,
• 34:04
  what inflamed those tensions?
• 34:06
  And then we see after the incident,
• 34:07
  it's people like Jacob Fry who go out in front of the city of Minneapolis and say,
• 34:12
  and they start swearing,
• 34:13
  of course,
• 34:13
  because that's what makes them cool,
• 34:15
  but also
• 34:16
  that's the thing you have to do.
• 34:17
  But also like they say basically we have to push these people out,
• 34:20
  you have to stand up against them,
• 34:21
  you have to fight back against them,
• 34:23
  and they're never treated with this idea that they're inflaming tensions at all.
• 34:28
  Right,
• 34:28
  and it's,
• 34:29
  you know,
• 34:29
  I think Tim Waltz.
• 34:31
  For all the things that he is,
• 34:32
  is a perfect example of this phenomenon,
• 34:34
  right?
• 34:35
  Just the other day,
• 34:36
  this was maybe a week ago,
• 34:37
  he,
• 34:38
  he gave this big address about how awful Trump was
• 34:40
  and how ICE needs to get out of Minnesota yesterday,
• 34:43
  and he had this one line that I think really stuck in my head where he said,
• 34:47
  The state of Minnesota finds itself at war with the federal government.
• 34:52
  The leader of the state of Minnesota is saying,
• 34:54
  we are at war with the federal government.
• 34:56
  You wanna talk about inflaming tensions,
• 34:58
  you wanna talk about escalating things,
• 35:01
  of of behavior that is is kicking up
• 35:03
  kind of the ante in all of these things.
• 35:05
  That's what it is.
• 35:06
  A state saying we will not work with you,
• 35:08
  we will not cooperate with you,
• 35:09
  we will not allow agents to carry,
• 35:11
  to carry out the,
• 35:12
  the further.
• 35:13
  Of federal laws.
• 35:14
  No,
• 35:14
  we are at war
• 35:16
  with you.
• 35:17
  That language to me,
• 35:18
  and that's coming from the governor,
• 35:19
  right?
• 35:19
  That is the governor of the state saying,
• 35:21
  we were at war with the federal government.
• 35:23
  Of course activists are gonna pick up that mantle and say,
• 35:25
  we were at war with the federal government,
• 35:26
  we were at war with ICE,
• 35:28
  and then
• 35:29
  a week later,
• 35:29
  Trump says,
• 35:30
  alright,
• 35:30
  we're,
• 35:30
  I'm gonna mobilize the National Guard.
• 35:32
  I'm I'm gonna federalize the National Guard.
• 35:34
  And Waltz goes out and says,
• 35:35
  we really need to turn down the temperature,
• 35:37
  is the language he used.
• 35:39
  Like,
• 35:41
  have you talked to Tim Waltz a week ago?
• 35:43
  Because he had something else to say about it.
• 35:45
  He was advocating for a civil war 6 days ago and
• 35:47
  now you're saying we have to turn the temperature down.
• 35:49
  Yeah,
• 35:50
  it's it's insane,
• 35:50
  like you,
• 35:51
  you are,
• 35:51
  you're
• 35:52
  throwing the match in time and time again.
• 35:55
  And I,
• 35:55
  and I believe me,
• 35:56
  I,
• 35:56
  I wrote a piece for Commonplace actually a few months ago,
• 35:59
  maybe about a year ago now,
• 36:00
  about the need to turn down the temperature,
• 36:02
  which feels
• 36:03
  almost silly to talk about in the in the light that I did then,
• 36:05
  this is,
• 36:05
  you know,
• 36:05
  and
• 36:06
  Um,
• 36:07
  early 2025,
• 36:08
  to just be like,
• 36:08
  we,
• 36:08
  we need to be a little bit more sensible,
• 36:10
  a little bit more reasonable.
• 36:11
  I think those things are valuable,
• 36:12
  right?
• 36:13
  Like the,
• 36:13
  the conclusion the media comes around to at the end of the day,
• 36:15
  of like,
• 36:16
  we need to take the,
• 36:17
  we need to take the temperature here down,
• 36:18
  for everyone's sake,
• 36:19
  I agree with.
• 36:21
  But you've gotta be able to look at in the mirror and at your allies and say,
• 36:25
  we have been throwing smoke bombs and pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails
• 36:30
  at
• 36:31
  something that was once kind of stable.
• 36:33
  And we have to reckon with that if we're going to get
• 36:35
  to a point where we're turning down the temperature one day.
• 36:37
  Let me hear you this last one.
• 36:38
  We've got about 30 seconds here,
• 36:39
  Drew.
• 36:39
  You highlighted this because it's not only just the way we're talking about it.
• 36:42
  It's even when,
• 36:44
  when the conservatives are the victims of one of these things,
• 36:47
  there's still the problem.
• 36:48
  Protests at Minnesota church that we all watched over the weekend,
• 36:52
  adds to tension
• 36:53
  over ICE tactics.
• 36:55
  So it's ICE's fault,
• 36:56
  it's conservatives' fault for having protests
• 36:59
  happen at their own church services.
• 37:01
  At their own church services and then following the
• 37:03
  worshippers out to their cars and yelling at them,
• 37:06
  right,
• 37:07
  like they,
• 37:08
  you wanna talk about the left and their safe spaces,
• 37:09
  like the idea,
• 37:10
  the idea that there's nothing sacred,
• 37:12
  I think to these,
• 37:13
  these protesters,
• 37:14
  right?
• 37:14
  You don't protest at a church,
• 37:15
  it's,
• 37:16
  it's preposterous.
• 37:17
  You can protest the government,
• 37:18
  you don't protest at the church.
• 37:19
  Um,
• 37:20
  but you're right,
• 37:21
  there were other outlets that did this exact same thing.
• 37:23
  So at the New York Times,
• 37:24
  and we just showed that one,
• 37:25
  at Wapo,
• 37:26
  latest flashpoint over Trump's immigration crackdown.
• 37:30
  Always,
• 37:31
  always,
• 37:31
  it has to be Trump.
• 37:32
  Trump has to be the bad guy.
• 37:34
  There are no other victims except the people who are victims of what Trump is doing.
• 37:37
  It is a terrible way to report on what's happening.
• 37:40
  It is a disservice to journalism and it's a disservice to this country.
• 37:43
  Yeah,
• 37:43
  and I'll say too,
• 37:44
  the,
• 37:44
  the poor kid that was crying in the pews that I,
• 37:47
  I saw some video of,
• 37:48
  uh,
• 37:48
  this would be the centerpiece of every new mainstream news story.
• 37:51
  If the opposite was happening.
• 37:52
  If it was an ICE arrest and the kid was crying,
• 37:54
  they'd be everywhere.
• 37:55
  Apparently not the way this goes.
• 37:57
  Uh,
• 37:57
  Drew Holden,
• 37:57
  managing editor of Commonplace,
• 37:59
  be sure to check that out and as well as Holden Court,
• 38:01
  it's a newsletter at drew Holden.substack.com.
• 38:04
  Drew,
• 38:04
  appreciate all your work.
• 38:05
  Thanks so much for coming back on the show.
• 38:07
  Let's do a quick.
• 38:15
  It is January 20th,
• 38:16
  which means it's been one
• 38:18
  singular solitary year,
• 38:20
  just one
• 38:21
  since Donald Trump became president again,
• 38:23
  and he has packed more into that year
• 38:26
  than I think the last 1000 years of human civilization.
• 38:29
  Uh,
• 38:29
  it's really legitimately incredible.
• 38:32
  Just throw out for a second whether you like
• 38:33
  these policies or you don't like these policies.
• 38:35
  I imagine you like a lot of them,
• 38:36
  uh,
• 38:37
  some of them you might not like as much,
• 38:38
  but bottom line is a lot of crap has gone on.
• 38:41
  That is,
• 38:42
  that I will say a lot of stuff has occurred in the past year.
• 38:46
  It's only been one year into Trump's second term.
• 38:48
  The seismic shifts,
• 38:49
  you know,
• 38:50
  stuff like foreign policy,
• 38:51
  as I mentioned,
• 38:52
  that's been pretty popular.
• 38:53
  Immigration,
• 38:54
  not quite as much.
• 38:55
  Doge was not particularly
• 38:57
  popular,
• 38:58
  although it was,
• 38:58
  you know,
• 38:59
  most of the efforts I liked.
• 39:00
  I don't think we really got to the high-end hopes we had there.
• 39:03
  Economic policies
• 39:05
  hasn't been too much there outside of tariffs and the Big Beautiful bill.
• 39:08
  The Big Beautiful Bill was a big deal,
• 39:09
  but it was really more locking in on something that already existed.
• 39:12
  Changes to the White House.
• 39:13
  We're even knocking down wings of the White House now,
• 39:15
  so it's been a lot to remember,
• 39:17
  and he's not slowing down.
• 39:18
  Trump is sharing leaked texts between him and a leader,
• 39:21
  AI mockups of us taking over Greenland and Canada,
• 39:25
  and he vows there's no going back
• 39:27
  on Greenland.
• 39:28
  That's going on as well.
• 39:30
  And Trump has threatened a 200% tariff
• 39:34
  on French wines
• 39:35
  as Macron reportedly snubbed the Board of Peace seat.
• 39:39
  Border peace in Gaza,
• 39:40
  offered a seat to Macron.
• 39:42
  Macron said no,
• 39:43
  so he's getting a 200% tariff potentially on French wines.
• 39:47
  I will say
• 39:48
  like when it comes to the justification for these tariffs,
• 39:51
  Trump's not really even trying anymore.
• 39:52
  There's no more like,
• 39:53
  hey,
• 39:54
  I don't know,
• 39:54
  it's a pretty serious situation.
• 39:55
  We've got an emergency.
• 39:57
  We need to use IEPA,
• 39:58
  even though IEPA doesn't mention tariffs at all.
• 40:00
  We have to use it and it's an emergency.
• 40:02
  Now it's like that guy pissed me off
• 40:05
  40.
• 40:06
  8% tariffs.
• 40:07
  He pissed me off more,
• 40:08
  69% tariffs.
• 40:10
  69 is a funny number.
• 40:11
  69% tariffs.
• 40:13
  That's like where we are right now.
• 40:14
  He's sort of flaunting it in the face of the Supreme Court.
• 40:17
  That ruling a due any day was the most recent
• 40:20
  day being this morning as they had a decision day,
• 40:23
  but nothing on tariffs.
• 40:24
  My assumption is usually the big cases,
• 40:26
  they kind of wait until the end.
• 40:28
  We will see if that's the case here.
• 40:29
  And I love a story that I absolutely love from the New York Post.
• 40:33
  Look,
• 40:33
  when you get a gig sometimes you don't always wanna go.
• 40:35
  You don't always wanna show up,
• 40:36
  you don't always wanna be part of it,
• 40:38
  you know,
• 40:38
  maybe you get a gig,
• 40:39
  you're just kind of collecting a paycheck or they're collecting the esteem.
• 40:42
  Well,
• 40:42
  Bernie Sanders got a gig like that,
• 40:44
  uh,
• 40:44
  from a Holocaust museum.
• 40:45
  He's on the board of it,
• 40:47
  and he has now skipped
• 40:49
  every meeting.
• 40:51
  Every single meeting.
• 40:53
  For 18 years.
• 40:59
  Because
• 40:59
  he,
• 40:59
  that's because he cares about the Jews too much.
• 41:02
  That's why.
• 41:03
  18
• 41:06
  years,
• 41:07
  he has skipped the meetings
• 41:08
  for the Holocaust museum he's on the board of.
• 41:10
  Now,
• 41:11
  again,
• 41:12
  being on a Holocaust museum board is,
• 41:13
  you know,
• 41:14
  a prestigious position,
• 41:16
  right?
• 41:16
  Like
• 41:17
  something that,
• 41:17
  you know,
• 41:18
  really holds some weight to say,
• 41:19
  hey,
• 41:20
  like this is one of the most important events that's ever happened in human history,
• 41:23
  and certainly in
• 41:24
  modern history.
• 41:25
  Uh,
• 41:26
  and you know,
• 41:26
  to be there to make sure that this is all going right,
• 41:28
  this is an important gig.
• 41:30
  He gets the gig,
• 41:31
  he holds it for 18 years,
• 41:32
  and never once goes to one meeting.
• 41:34
  Now,
• 41:35
  I don't like that on the Holocaust Museum board.
• 41:37
  I will say,
• 41:37
  if they ask me to do the show here,
• 41:39
  but not do any shows for 18 consecutive years and still send me the paychecks,
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