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Jim Fichera’s Testimony · Living Waters of Grace / Calvary Chapel of Westmoreland Sunday Services

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  My name is Jim Fishera, my wife's over here, Maureen, we,
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  we've been attending here for about 3 months.
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  We sit in the back. So you probably haven't seen
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  this much, but pastor had asked me to share a little bit about
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  the, the Jesus movement back in the early 70s.
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  And I was fortunate enough to be a part of that and, and then
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  share my testimony how I became a Christian.
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  And in the, in the picture here, you see, you see this big tent
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  and you may have seen it on TV or watching the video.
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  It's, it's the first, it's the beginning of Calvary Chapel back
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  in Costa Mesa. And I was lucky enough to go
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  there very shortly after the tent.
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  But before I go any further, let me just have a word of prayer.
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  Father God, thank you so much for opportunities.
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  Thank you for your word that you've just shared with us today
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  that we do have a responsibility and that's to use those gifts as
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  as you've given us bless this time.
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  Now, Lord, open our hearts, open our ears and we'll give you all
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  the glory even though they're testimony what I did, but it's
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  all for you, God, it's all for you and we praise you for that
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  in Jesus name, Amen. So like I mentioned, my wife and
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  I started coming here. We we've been married 50 years
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  this year. We have 3, two children, we have
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  5 grandchildren. Our children are grown, we have
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  5 grandchildren and we're going to have a great grandchild in
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  the spring. So we're we're really excited
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  about that. And again, before I get into my
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  kiss and this is not going to be a preaching thing.
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  I'm not a preacher, I'm not a teacher.
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  I'm just an ordinary churchgoer that has had a lot of
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  experiences over the last 50 years.
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  Then my brother went to church a couple months ago and he said
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  those priest, he says, I don't know why I'm here.
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  And the priest said to him, if you don't know why you're here,
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  you probably shouldn't be here. And it kind of, it kind of was a
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  strange thought. So when you think about this,
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  why are you here? Why am I here?
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  Well, physically I'm here because friends invited us to
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  come here. And that's how church grows.
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  You invite people to come. You invite people to, to, to, to
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  know Christ or to know your church.
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  And that's what's neat. The Margie and, and Gary Blair
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  invited us. We've we've known for about 6
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  years and they just kept inviting us to come to church
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  with them. And we did a couple months ago.
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  And that's another whole story about the different churches
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  that I've gone to. But we are here to learn about
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  God, the Bible study today, learn about what what we're
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  supposed to do with the gifts that we have and we're expected
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  to grow and serve. And if I can just share
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  something real quick here in Ephesians, Paul says it was
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  given some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be
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  evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers.
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  And we know what what they're required to do, but they're
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  there to prepare God's people for the works of service so that
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  the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach the unity
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  and faith in the knowledge of the Son of God and become
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  mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of
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  Christ. So Paul's telling us that we got
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  to keep doing things until we become mature.
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  How long is that going to take? Well, in God's time, we don't
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  know because we don't know how long it's going to take.
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  We can't. Yeah.
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  The apostles thought they were going to see God soon, but soon
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  the goddess who knows? So, but we are expected to grow
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  and serve. My wife and I were high school
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  sweethearts. We we went to high school
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  together and when I graduated, I was a year older than her.
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  So when I graduated, I moved to California.
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  I went to visit my sister for a while and then and then I
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  actually moved there. Maureen stayed back to finish
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  high school and then nursing school.
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  But when I was out there, I met this guy, his name was George,
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  and he liked basketball. I like basketball.
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  He liked, he came from New Jersey, I came from
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  Pennsylvania. So we kind of hung around.
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  So we had many questions about different things.
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  Being Catholic, I had a lot of different questions about that.
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  And George questioned my Christianity, which was very
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  strange to me because I've never had anybody do that.
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  And I said, well, I'm a Catholic, so I'm a Christian.
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  And he proceeded to tell me the difference between a Catholic
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  and a Christian. And that was pretty neat because
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  I always thought if you were, if you believe God, that you were
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  going to go to heaven. That's it, need to believe God.
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  But there was much more to it, as I find out later on.
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  He invited me to a church. Now, this church wasn't a church
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  like this. It wasn't a building.
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  It was a park. It's called Church in the Park.
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  And they had a park in Covina, CA and the trees were all around
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  and that's where the church was. The people were the church and
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  they just happened to meet in the park.
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  They were a bunch of young people, I mean hippies.
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  We were we were all young high school and college age kids.
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  And the church was called agape. And you probably know what agape
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  means. It's God's love.
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  And how it all started was there was this crazy Gray haired
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  bearded guy that would preach after a a rocks band called
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  Agape would play in Hollywood, CA and they were playing before
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  a group called Love song. I don't know if you've ever
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  heard of love song but pretty popular group from Calvary
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  Chapel. And Agape was a iron rock.
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  I can't remember the Hard Rock band.
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  It was very it was very loud. The following where they, they
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  were hippie guys, hippie girls and, and Rahm would give a
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  message after that. And sooner or later they all
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  ended up at Calvary at Agape Church in California, in, in
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  Covina, CA at this park. And we're talking 200 and 5300
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  young kids at this park. And our pews weren't like
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  chairs. We brought sand chairs.
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  You remember the old sand chairs.
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  They would sit real close to the ground and everybody had their
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  little chalice and we broke bread and drank grape juice for
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  a communion. And it was just different than
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  anything else. But I wasn't a Christian.
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  I didn't. I just remember I just had met
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  this guy George, and he took me there and I was amazed.
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  And he said, hey, Jim, let's go down to this Christian band.
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  So we drove down to Costa Mesa and shortly after the tent, they
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  had the brand new building built and believe it or not, they were
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  already outgrown that building. The Jesus movement in Southern
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  California around that time was growing so fast I couldn't keep
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  up with it. And it was exciting.
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  It was, it was big. It was more than more than you
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  can imagine. It was is Martin and I went to a
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  we went to a a church just this past Christmas and our
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  sister-in-law said, you want to go to church?
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  We said sure. And so we go to church with them
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  and they were having 13 services for Christmas.
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  Sounds like a lot, right? The better part is the church
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  held 2000 people. So is there still a Christmas?
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  Is there still a movement going on?
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  Yeah, it's going on throughout the whole United States.
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  The Jesus movement is alive and well.
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  Now some of these churches are different.
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  We walked in there and I said to Maureen, I says, something's
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  wrong. I don't see anybody carrying the
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  Bible. So again, you have to discern
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  what's going on. I'm getting off track here.
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  Do it. I'm sorry about that.
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  But so anyway, we go into church in a park and Georgia invites me
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  to this Calvary Chapel, and I'm listening to this music and it's
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  wonderful. It's just a neat country
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  Christian music. And there's this guy after the
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  music's on. Chuck Smith was the pastor of
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  Calvary Chapel and he had this way of talking.
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  His, his voice was so calm and so nice and he had this smile on
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  his face. And after the music was on,
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  he'd, he'd do a little message and then he'd do an altar call
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  and, and I could just, I can hear his words now, you know,
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  all right, if you believe and you know, you want Jesus to be
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  in your heart and go on and on. And he said, just slip up your
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  hand. And then he'd say I see you,
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  then I see you and I see you and I see you.
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  And at the end of this day, I, I at the end of the service, a guy
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  would look at me and all these people would look at me like,
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  did he make a decision? Did he make a decision?
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  Then? No, I didn't I, I said the band
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  was good, the drummer was awesome.
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  But that's, that's, that was as far as it went.
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  So we went there quite a few times, probably 6 or 7 different
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  times and it was always the same.
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  I enjoyed music, it was fun. I got to see an afterglow.
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  They had a afterglow meeting after one of the services
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  checked it an agree and it was too much.
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  But while this all happened, I was working in a Body Shop and I
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  hurt my back and my boss said to me can you ride this late?
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  Can you ride this lady home? I said sure and I'm crawling out
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  from this car and I'm really in pain.
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  And she looked at me and she says can I pray for you?
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  Now that was really strange coming from a Catholic bracron.
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  No one ever prayed for you. She put her hands on me and she
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  prayed for me and I felt really strange.
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  I mean, just it was just it felt funny to me again, I haven't
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  accepted Christ yet. And so I drove her home and in
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  turn, she had this really nice car and she said I'll never
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  drive it over 25 mile an hour. And I thought, no, I'm going to
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  it was a 390 Ford Galaxy 504 speed and going on the going on
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  the freeway. I went through the gears.
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  I got on the Turnpike or on the freeway and suddenly blew the
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  motor up. So you learn, you learn lessons
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  when you're a kid. So after all this, you know, I
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  got to, I got to see some really neat songs.
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  If you, if you know any of the Marinatha groups back, back in
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  Calvary Chapel, love song was very popular and the other one
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  was called the way and they'd have one song.
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  And if you ever get a chance, look up the song called Can it
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  be? By the way, a friend of ours
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  from Agape actually wrote that song and his his group had
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  disbanded. But it's a really, really neat
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  song and it gives you an idea of the music back then.
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  So now we get into the good part here where where the Bible study
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  one day and I have a Bible, but I I read it, but I don't
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  understand a word. I have absolutely no idea what
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  it says. And we're Bible study one night
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  and Ron Turner at Agape and Ron Turner's doing a message on the
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  gospel of Mark. And when he gets to the asking
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  the apostles to come and follow him and he talked to Andrew and
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  he talks to James and John Simon and he says come, follow me.
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  And it was interesting to me that they would just stop what
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  they were doing, pick up and follow him.
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  And I guess God was working on me at that point.
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  When Ron did his altar call, his was a little different than
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  Chuck Smith. He, he made you stand up, not
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  just raise your hand, you know, he says, if you make this
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  decision and during his prayer, my words were ahead of his
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  words. That's the only way I can
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  explain it. And, and then he said, if you
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  made the decision to follow Jesus, I'd like you to stand up
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  and, and show the rest of the church and, and, you know,
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  confessed in front of everybody. And I couldn't stop myself from
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  standing. And that was a, that was a
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  neatest thing. And it, it changed my life
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  forever. And that was 1974.
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  So it's been quite a few years since then.
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  And then the fun starts. What are you going to do with
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  what God has given you to do? We all have gifts.
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  Unfortunately, you know, I haven't used all mine because
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  it's full potential. I know that.
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  And I, I, I, I asked for getting this a lot, but I've had some
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  great times different churches. We didn't we finally left agape.
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  Maureen and I actually got married in a in a small church
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  in California. Our parents, neither one of our
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  parents have ever seen a wedding outside of a Catholic Church.
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  And we decided we're going to give it all.
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  We're going to share our testimony going going church.
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  Well, one of us did, Maureen, I was a blubbering idiot.
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  I'm a very emotional person and I, I really couldn't say a whole
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  lot other than and, but it was, it was important to us to share
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  with them what it was to be a Christian and not just going to
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  a Catholic Church because that's what you always did on Sunday.
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  So we got married there. I got to get into the, a little
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  bit about the, the, the progression after accepting
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  Christ They had with in agape, they had what they call a new
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  Christian Bible study. And it was the, the book of
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  first John and it was taught by different groups.
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  Now there was again, I don't know, maybe 5 or 6 different
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  groups of five or six different people all going at the same
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  time, because that's how many people are coming to Christ
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  constantly and, and during this movement.
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  And so the FMS were doing this and the FMS were the future
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  ministers. And I think of that when I, when
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  I see some of these folks here that are really into moving on.
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  Now, the future ministers were part of the of the church that
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  they were either felt called to be a missionary or a minister or
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  a teacher or a leader. And funny, there was 12 of them.
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  And I guess Ron had figured it out that way.
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  But I got a call from Ron after doing my Bible study, after my
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  first John Bible study, I got a call from Ron to say, hey,
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  there's this guy that likes cars and he's kind of a loner.
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  His name's Tom Lockwood. You, you think you could, you
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  know, just talk to him and see what he's doing?
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  I thought, yeah, I could do that.
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  So talk to Tom. And we paint very good friends.
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  He was in our wedding along with George.
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  And George had taught me that you need to have a paw and a
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  Timothy in your life. You have to have someone you can
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  look up to and and talk to. That would be George for me was
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  my Paul and then I was going to be Paul, not knowing it, but I
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  was going to be the Paul at the pawn.
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  And and I think that's important where you have somebody that you
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  can turn to to ask questions to and then someone else can come
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  and ask questions to you. And that's how we grow.
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  The next important thing was the evangelism after after you did
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  the, the, the lessons in first John, we had evangelism cast
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  glasses. And the reason I am so excited
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  about that is smiling about that is I actually got to talk to a
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  girl that never knew who Jesus was.
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  Didn't you know? You think about that with the
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  way things are now, everybody has had to heard about Jesus.
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  Well, this girl knew that there was a Christmas, but they had no
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  idea what it was about. And I got to share with her and
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  I invited her to church. I never saw her again, but we
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  would go to different parks. We would play ping pong at
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  different places. I'm going to get a hold of head
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  of myself here. And then there was this one girl
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  at church that asked for prayer for her husband.
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  She had just had twins and her husband wasn't a Christian and
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  his name was Doug. I prayed every day and every day
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  and every day and every day until Doug had made a decision.
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  And Doug and I and Tom became very, very good friends.
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  We became ping pong friends. Like I said, we would go to
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  different community centers and play ping pong with different
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  kids and share. And it worked out pretty good
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  that way. And Doug was, was a great kid.
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  Again, we're talking and I'm having this flashback now.
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  Doug, you can picture the Beach Boy, long blonde hair, good
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  looking guy, built perfect. You know, it was, it was pretty
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  cool. Now I'm praying before I read my
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  Bible and things are coming very clear to me and I'm able to
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  understand it and I give glory to God for that because I don't
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  read much. This is this is about the only
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  thing I ever read is, is my Bible and I don't read it
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  enough. And I know that and I, you know,
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  I, I fully understand that. The next thing is you heard a
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  verification Bible study it for your kids or vacation Bible
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  school. We had what they called ACR.
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  It was all church retreat. Everybody from the whole church
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  went to A to a retreat and was our, our Covina church, this the
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  Salt Lake City church. And then there was another one
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  in Saugus, CA And we would all get together.
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  And I think we have a picture of that of the of the the might
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  have been the bottom one. I'm sorry, but it's a you get a
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  good kick out of the the good looking guys there and good
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  looking guys and girls there. But we would go to this place
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  called Forrest Home Christian Conference Center.
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  And I'm trying to be quick here, but Forrest home Christian
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  concert Center was was made by lady, her name was Henrietta
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  Mears. She was from amazingly Hollywood
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  Presbyterian Church, Ohio. No.
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  And she started this place. People like Billy Graham went
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  there. Bill Bright, if you, if, if you
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  I'm no, I'm dropping names, but you might not know who they are.
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  But Billy Graham, he kind of reached out to church people and
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  spread the word. Bill Brights reached out to
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  college people and like this guy that had just done this now.
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  And Bill Bright also wrote the four spiritual laws and he,
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  these were tracks that we used to pass out the people back in
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  the day. He also started the thing called
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  Athletes for action. Now, another quick story is in
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  our, in our church at Agape, we would also have an athletes in
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  action, but we went to prison and because we were all sports
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  guys, we decided we're going to play basketball with them and
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  that would go good. And we talked to him afterwards
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  about Christ. And then we play softball with
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  them. And we talked to him after about
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  Christ and. And then one day we decided
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  we're going to play football with them.
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  And that happened one time. We won and we weren't going to
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  play ever again. But it was it was an exciting
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  time to share with people that really.
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  And this was a what I want to try to say this, the prison was
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  top notch. Pardon me.
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  Yeah. Maximum, maximum security
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  prison. So we had to, you know, take
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  everything off. And it was quite exciting.
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  I got baptized at Forrest Home and I also learned to sing a
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  song called How Great Thou Art. They had a they had a room there
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  that every time you entered the room, you had to sing How Great
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  Thou Art. So obviously that's my favorite
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  song. But this is on the left is Ron
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  Turner. On the right is another one of
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  the pastors we had Ernie. And and that was me when I had
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  to hear a long, long time ago. The next thing that it was
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  important was we went to Bill Bright's retreat center.
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  And there after learning a little bit about the word and
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  the different things that Christians could do, I decided,
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  I'm going to pray and pray and pray and I'm going to move the
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  mountain. I thought, you know, that's what
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  you're supposed to be able to do.
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  You have to have enough faith to move the mountain.
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  And they also wanted to speak in tongues because that's what they
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  did at Calvary and neither happened.
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  I, I prayed a lot. I spent a long time there
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  reading. And a couple a couple months
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  ago, they were doing a thing here about the James where he
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  talked about and if the Lord wills you will do this and that.
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  I was studying that chapter. And that's when I decided that
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  Maureen was the girl I wanted to marry.
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  And it was very important time for me.
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  And I remember it vividly on that sitting on that grass on
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  that mountain. Well, time wise, how we done.
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  I'll keep going just for a quick couple things about our our
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  children. We, we moved back from
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  California to Pennsylvania here and we had to find a new church
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  and we ended up at a Calvary Baptist Church and it was a very
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  good time. A lot of good things happened
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  there. Our children were we, they were
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  born while we were there and grew up there, took them on
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  mission trips. Neat things happened there until
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  neat things didn't happen there. I had AI was a Deacon at that
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  time and we just started a, a boys brigade and we got a new
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  leader for the education committee.
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  And this lady decided that we weren't going to have any boys
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  brigade anymore because they didn't have anything for the
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  girls. So she quit the boys brigade.
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  And my infinite wisdom, I said, OK, well, if you're going to do
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  that, I'm just leaving. So we left that church for very
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  poor reasons. We went to another church that
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  our girls were going to at this time and in Mckeesport and it
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  was a good church. Nice church is good preaching.
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  We got to meet some good people there and comes Easter time
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  who's sitting in front of us, but the lady that quit the boys
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  brigade from the old church. And I was very upset.
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  And then before I said something I shouldn't, I said we're just
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  not going to go there anymore. Then the girls start playing
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  basketball and softball and baseball on Wednesday nights and
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  Sundays afternoons and we kind of didn't go anywhere for a
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  while. My buddy said, well, you going
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  to meet this guy? He's really good.
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  He's at a Methodist Church and I said a Methodist Church.
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  He says, yeah, you got to meet him.
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  So we met him. We ended up staying there for a
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  long time and got, got involved there.
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  I was singing in the band and in the praise group and leading
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  prayer and just having a good time and praying for the pastor
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  daily. And and then they moved them
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  just, you know, just the way things happen with the Methodist
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  Church. So we went with them.
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  And then the, the, the stuff happened with the Methodist
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  Church. Then he decided he needed to
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  leave there and we decided we need to leave there.
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  And now we have no church again. And it was.
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  So the reasons we left were my own reasons.
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  And I, and I apologize and I, I pray to God for forgiveness,
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  that too many times we just walk away from God.
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  But the neat thing is he never walks away from us.
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  He always says it's OK, just do what?
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  Just do what I ask you to do. And the only way we can do what
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  he asks us to do is to know what he wants us to do and then
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  follow through with what he wants us to do.
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  But more importantly, just give him the glory for everything we
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  do Do. So with that, I'm going to stop
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  and thank you for this opportunity.
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  Hopefully we'll be here for a long time.
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  We love this church. The I have two two things to say
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  real quick about church, please. We walked in and I said, how
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  does a church this size support 2 pastors?
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  And again I'm thinking, OK, there I am.
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  I'm finding excuses again. But when I saw somebody come up
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  and ask for prayer and, and pastor say, OK, I need to call
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  the deacons up to pray for them, that was it.
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  That's church, that's church. You don't have a guy that's
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  leading you. I mean, you have a guy that's
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  leading you, but you don't have a guy that's taking control of
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  the whole situation. And that's a neat to see.
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  That's really neat to see. So continue doing good and I
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  thank you for your time.