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Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: How Ben Johnson Stayed "A Step Ahed" Of Eagles DC Vic Fangio · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. Welcome to Inside the Tape on Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan. And of course, we've
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  Speaker 1: got Greg Cosell to help us break down the Eagles tape.
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  Speaker 1: And we already did the offense from their 27-7 loss
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  Speaker 1: to the Bears. Now we got to go to a
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  Speaker 1: defense which gave up some uncharacteristic big plays. Although I
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  Speaker 1: feel like we're saying that a couple of couple of
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  Speaker 1: times now here early in the season. Greg, why was
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  Speaker 1: a 38-year-old journeyman quarterback able to move the ball as
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  Speaker 1: well as he did.
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  Speaker 2: In the Eagles' defense? Again, I'm just giving you my
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  Speaker 2: impression from the tape, and I don't think I've said
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  Speaker 2: this in years and years and years, but I thought
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  Speaker 2: watching the tape, and I was talking to my guys
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  Speaker 2: in the matchup room here, it just seemed like Ben
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  Speaker 2: Johnson was a step ahead of Vic Fangio in this game.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of felt like with all of the multiplicity
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  Speaker 2: of motions with, you know, the way he went about
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  Speaker 2: the game, I just felt like the Eagles were playing
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  Speaker 2: a step behind, you know, and again, these things, it's
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. These things do happen. We're not used to
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  Speaker 2: saying that about Vic Fangio, but, you know, and the
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  Speaker 2: thing is the Eagles don't have anybody on their defensive front.
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  Speaker 2: And then right now that includes Jalen Carter who had
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  Speaker 2: some good snaps, you know, but, they don't really have
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  Speaker 2: a game record. And so therefore they, they just kind
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  Speaker 2: of played and, um, you know, and it wasn't like,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God, horrendous. Like the bears put up 550 yards.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you didn't, you know, but you just, I
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  Speaker 2: just felt like the Eagles in some ways never really
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  Speaker 2: made a stand, you know? Um, and obviously Grenard played
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  Speaker 2: 18 snaps all and then in the nickel, um, Young
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  Speaker 2: played more snaps than any game he played, you know,
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  Speaker 2: than any game this year. You know, so again, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know the reasoning behind that. You know, only they
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  Speaker 2: could tell you, but he did. You know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like the Bears ran the ball like crazy. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not like they put up 180 rushing yards or
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  Speaker 2: anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Keenan made some throws. You got to admit,
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  Speaker 2: he made some throws that were big time NFL throws.
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  Speaker 1: He really did. It felt like revenge for Nick Foles,
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  Speaker 1: playing the way he did in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the Eagles did get lucky that Adunze missed
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  Speaker 2: that touchdown, dropped it because they ended up going for
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  Speaker 2: it on fourth down and getting no points on that drive.
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  Speaker 2: But it just seemed like there was an efficiency to
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  Speaker 2: the Bears' offense, even if it wasn't a case, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, of just yards after yards after yards. It
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  Speaker 2: just seemed like an efficiency to the Bears' offense that
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles were not matching on their side of the ball.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that Ben Johnson's plan to get the ball
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  Speaker 3: out of his hands quickly. They came out throwing, which
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  Speaker 3: surprised me quickest of all 32 quarterbacks this week, 2.41 seconds.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you, how you as a.
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  Speaker 3: Pass rusher, unless you press your corners, Greg, what can
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  Speaker 3: you do to slow them down?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, first series, you know, burden seven yards on
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  Speaker 2: the quick out off motion to start the game. Raymond
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  Speaker 2: 10 yards on the curl flat seam combination that presents
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  Speaker 2: a clean passing window. All of a sudden Keenum is comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: You know, say what you want about Keenum. He still
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  Speaker 2: has that refined sense of timing and anticipation, and he
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  Speaker 2: is willing to turn it loose. He's not a risk-free thrower.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he hit a couple of throws. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he hit a dunesay on the sideline on one throw
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  Speaker 2: that was ridiculous. You know, I mean, he made some throws.
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  Speaker 2: But Adam's 100% right, 1,000% right. I mean, the way
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  Speaker 2: he came out, you know, everything rhythmic, get rid of
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  Speaker 2: the ball. With motion, just create the quick opportunities because
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  Speaker 2: you can't press, so guys get free access and they
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  Speaker 2: can catch quick throws. I'm sure he didn't care whether
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  Speaker 2: it got five yards or seven yards. It's just get
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  Speaker 2: the ball out and let's get Keenum comfortable in the
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  Speaker 2: game and let's go from there.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, did the Bears play more 11 personnel than they
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  Speaker 1: typically play?
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  Speaker 2: Well, in this game, let's see. They played 37 snaps
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  Speaker 2: in 11, 19 snaps in 12. 11 snaps in 13.
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  Speaker 1: That had to be tactical. That, to me, signals one
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  Speaker 1: of two things. One, maybe a comfort for Keenum. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: didn't Keenum come up through the Art Bryles kind of
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  Speaker 1: spread out?
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  Speaker 2: Well, didn't he play college at the University of Houston?
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  Speaker 2: He did.
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  Speaker 1: I think he succeeded.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't that like the run and shoot or whatever you
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  Speaker 2: want to call it? Yeah. I forget all the names now.
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  Speaker 3: He's put up more yards in college than he did
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  Speaker 3: in the pros, which is insane.
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  Speaker 1: So you're trying to make a quarterback who hasn't started
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  Speaker 1: a lot comfortable. And then secondly, I wonder if he
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  Speaker 1: knew that if he played more 11, he would see
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  Speaker 1: more nickel. He would have Marcus Epps at safety more
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  Speaker 1: who's been struggling because Epps certainly missed his fair share
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  Speaker 1: of tackles. And then, you know, I don't know how great.
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  Speaker 2: Well, obviously, look, obviously this Williams started the first two games,
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  Speaker 2: but for the season, They're 48% and 11 personnel. In
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  Speaker 2: this game, they were, let's see. In this game, they
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  Speaker 2: were 53%. So it wasn't like an extreme difference, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
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  Speaker 2: 48 to 53. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not extreme. I thought I would see more
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  Speaker 1: 13 personnel and them trying to run, but they obviously
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  Speaker 1: had a different plan.
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  Speaker 2: He really liked the Sam Roush kid, and it wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: surprise me if you see them, as time goes on,
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  Speaker 2: playing more 13.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. For sure. What did you observe about the
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  Speaker 1: back end of the Eagles defense? Was there communication issues, tackling,
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  Speaker 1: all of the above, not as sticky as normal?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, they had some issues. They had some
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  Speaker 2: mental issues in this game, big time, which is very surprising.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as I'm watching the tape, because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as I've told you guys and obviously the audience, I
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  Speaker 2: usually don't look at numbers until I'm, you know, into
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  Speaker 2: the game, you know, other than the personnel, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but other than that, And then the game tells me
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  Speaker 2: as I'm watching it, oh, I'm seeing this. Let me
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  Speaker 2: look at the numbers. And the numbers, think about these
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  Speaker 2: numbers against a Vic Fangio defense. You know what Keenum
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  Speaker 2: was in the play action pass game under center? Under
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  Speaker 2: center now, which the Bears are a big under center offense.
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  Speaker 2: Keenum was 10 for 11 for 115 yards. Seven of
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  Speaker 2: those 10 completions resulted in first downs. That's play action
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  Speaker 2: under center. I mean, I don't know when the last
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  Speaker 2: time somebody was that efficient. I mean, that's not efficient.
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  Speaker 2: That's spectacular, you know, against a Vic Fangio defense.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we did see that. We saw an appetizer of
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  Speaker 1: it in week two because certainly for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: as you noted, Greg, you were seeing Cam Ward go
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  Speaker 1: under center.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And I mentioned that. That's what we've got
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  Speaker 2: to deal with.
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  Speaker 1: So this is an area where the Eagles have to
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  Speaker 1: tighten up. I mean, this is not just happenstance now.
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  Speaker 1: It's happened a couple of times.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing, too, is, and this was a
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  Speaker 2: function of the game, is Vic clearly increased his pressure frequency, guys,
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  Speaker 2: as the game went on because, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you hate to say it, but the Eagles don't have
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  Speaker 2: a pass rush. So, you know, somehow you've got to
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  Speaker 2: impact the quarterback. And Keenum and the Bears, and it's
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  Speaker 2: not just the quarterback, but the Bears, Keenum was 11
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  Speaker 2: for 11 for 145 yards. Think about that, 11 for
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  Speaker 2: 11 for 145 yards and two touchdowns against pressure. Geez. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And, and, and Greg, the thing that surprised me is
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  Speaker 3: this just goes to show you of what, what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Grenard wins his first, his first rush beat, beat, beat
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  Speaker 3: the tackle badly. Then Keenan makes a throw. Like it
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  Speaker 3: makes it like an incredible throw across his body.
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  Speaker 2: Like what, what can you do? I mean, that's that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when he hit burden, I think for 25 yards,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it might've been third quarter. I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: It was, it was, Grenard just killed the left tackle
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  Speaker 2: and was right in his face, and Keenum just released
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  Speaker 2: it really early. But the structure of the play, the
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  Speaker 2: play design beat the Eagles' defense, and, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was a really good play. And then I think he
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  Speaker 2: followed that up with that ridiculous throw to Odunze on
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  Speaker 2: the right sideline, which was, you know, if Patrick Mahomes
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  Speaker 2: made that throw, we'd be talking about it for weeks.
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  Speaker 2: It was a ridiculous throw. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like the stars were aligned when.
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  Speaker 2: That was thrown. Yeah. But I mean, you know, when
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  Speaker 2: you watch Ben Johnson, I think, you know, it always
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  Speaker 2: stands out. I mean, he's so good attacking defenses with
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  Speaker 2: personnel and formations. I mean, it's just, you know, that's
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  Speaker 2: who he is. I mean, he gives a defense so
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  Speaker 2: much pre-snap movement and multiplicity in their run game, too.
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  Speaker 2: It's difficult to zero in on specific tendencies. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there's just a lot going on. And, you know, obviously
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  Speaker 2: you've got to coach all that. And it's an unbelievable
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  Speaker 2: credit to Keenum that he can come in, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously the guy's a veteran, so he's probably seen
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  Speaker 2: everything and been coached and you know, 20 different systems,
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  Speaker 2: but still, then you got to execute in a game.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's different, but you know, Ben Johnson just
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  Speaker 2: gives you a lot. And like I said, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to sit here. Like we talked about the offensive
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  Speaker 2: side of the ball with the Eagles and say that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Sean Mannion was schooled. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: sit here and say Vic Fangio was schooled. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Vic Fangio is obviously one of the smartest D coordinators
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  Speaker 2: in the league and people, you know, look to him
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  Speaker 2: as like, he should be a hall of fame assistant coach.
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  Speaker 2: And then obviously he is great. But this game, the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles seemed to step behind, and they made mental mistakes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they also had free– Greg, you talked about it earlier.
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  Speaker 3: The pass target group, whether tight ends or receivers, they
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  Speaker 3: had free access because, as you talked about, when you
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  Speaker 3: send guys in motion, you can't press. Not the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: are a press team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But, man, it seemed like over the middle– and obviously
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  Speaker 3: Keenan was getting the ball out quick. They had so
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  Speaker 3: many open receivers by motion– And you've told us motion matters, man.
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  Speaker 3: It gets guys open.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting when Kenny Moore is available.
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  Speaker 2: and again we don't know where he stands or if
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  Speaker 2: he still can play at a meaningful level they think
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  Speaker 2: he can or they wouldn't have signed him sure but
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line is that they told you by what
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  Speaker 2: they did last night that marcus epps is not the
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  Speaker 2: answer because michael carter played 20 snaps So we don't
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  Speaker 2: have to interpret that. You know, I always tell people
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  Speaker 2: that the tape tells you what coaches are thinking. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I've learned that a long time ago. I'm not the
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  Speaker 2: one who came up with that. So I'm not taking
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  Speaker 2: credit for that. You know, Adam sat with Ron Jaworski
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  Speaker 2: and myself years ago, many times. Josh would always say
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  Speaker 2: things like that. I've heard other coaches say things like that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the coaches tell you how they feel about
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  Speaker 2: players by what they do. So the fact that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that Carter played 20 snaps at safety, he tells you that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Marcus Epps is, they know he's not the answer. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we discussed this about, you know, what the
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  Speaker 2: plan is with Kenny Moore and Cooper DeGene. But we
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  Speaker 2: won't know that till we see it. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're telling you that that safety position next to McCube
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  Speaker 2: is not what they want it to be right now.
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  Speaker 1: What did the tape tell you about Michael Carter's play
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  Speaker 1: against the Bears in comparison?
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  Speaker 2: I kind of like what I saw with Carter. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, again, I'm sure he made a few mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know the details the way coaches do,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because they're charting everything. But I liked his aggressiveness.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he had a quick trigger on some running plays.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he showed up.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll see. If Kenny Moore is not the guy
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  Speaker 2: they think or if he's not ready this week, it'll
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  Speaker 2: be interesting to see if Carter plays more snaps.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. All right, let's take a look at some
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  Speaker 1: of the footage. Guess what we're not going to look at.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to look at the Luther Burden touchdown
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  Speaker 1: because everybody could see he carried five people.
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  Speaker 2: There's no reason for that. I mean, that's inexcusable. So
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  Speaker 2: this was the burden. This was the crosser where a
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  Speaker 2: Grenard immediately beat the left tackle. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: a Jones or was it been a dead at that point?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, but I love the concept here. I
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  Speaker 2: love the, the condensed formation. I love the, the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the Z the Zin motion, as we call it, the
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  Speaker 2: Z in motion where burden then releases inside of command.
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  Speaker 2: And they're just running a post cross combination, which is
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  Speaker 2: in everybody's playbook in high school. But this is an
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  Speaker 2: unbelievable play by, by Keenum because it's, He has to
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  Speaker 2: throw this. He's throwing it now.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I just can't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: And because of the under center play action, you can
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  Speaker 2: see the second level is not getting any depth. And
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  Speaker 2: it's an unbelievable– That is insane. Greg and Jeff– You
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  Speaker 2: have to trust what the route concept is going to do.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to trust that Quinion Mitchell is going to
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  Speaker 2: run with– I think it's a dunesay– is going to
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  Speaker 2: run with a dunesay and not come off that– come
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  Speaker 2: off it because if he comes off and sits, it's
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  Speaker 2: a pick. So you just have to trust the concept
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  Speaker 2: and trust that it's the process.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just, what does, do you think, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: get that there's play action. Do Makuba and Campbell, do
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  Speaker 1: they got to be a little tighter there?
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  Speaker 2: Tighter to what? Where's Makuba? He's in the box, right?
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  Speaker 1: Makuba is the guy that's in the box.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's going to, he's going.
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  Speaker 2: To be retrieving the box here. Yeah. And you get
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  Speaker 2: run action.
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  Speaker 1: And he runs.
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  Speaker 2: You get run action. Kuba does hunt it up. He's
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  Speaker 2: just not in position to play. Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great throw, too. I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, with Grenard right there in his face.
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  Speaker 3: His first, his only elite year, if you want to
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  Speaker 3: call it that, was 2017.
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  Speaker 2: Keenum.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and he made a lot of money because
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  Speaker 3: of it. This is just, I mean, this throw is
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  Speaker 3: about as big time as it gets.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then, well, well, until the very next play, right, Greg,
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  Speaker 1: this was the next one.
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  Speaker 2: And this one was a little different for Vic in
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  Speaker 2: what he normally does, because this was another conventional play
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  Speaker 2: action concept, you know, under center, like we said, they
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  Speaker 2: put committed the I formation fallback. The Eagles went with
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  Speaker 2: something you don't see very often. They went with a
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  Speaker 2: double corner cat and that left just four in coverage
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  Speaker 2: out of a two deep shell. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of space, but the point is, is, um, This is
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  Speaker 2: a really difficult throw. I mean, this is not like
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  Speaker 2: a routine throw, even though there's only really, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there end up being, I guess, five in coverage because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, someone drops out late. But, I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: is a big-time throw now.
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  Speaker 1: Huge, especially with a guy like Jalen Carter in his
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  Speaker 1: face at the arduo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Davis in his face at the end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was Jordan Davis. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how often?
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  Speaker 2: And because he knew he could feel the pressure, like
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  Speaker 2: someone looking at this could say, well, gee, why didn't
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  Speaker 2: he throw the dig on the other side? Because he's
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  Speaker 2: facing that way to the sideline and he feels the pressure.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't have time to stop and turn his body,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to throw the dig ball, which, you know,
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  Speaker 2: appears far more open, but he just can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: He's just got to get rid of the foot. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: believe me, he sees and feels Carter, even though he's
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  Speaker 2: not looking at him, he knows he's there. Yeah. I mean, Davis,
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  Speaker 2: excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I can't remember the last time Vic blitzed
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  Speaker 1: both of his corners on one play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, his double corner cat.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and because he's doing that, right?
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, he started his throw well before
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  Speaker 2: Adunze even started his break. I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 2: spot throw. He's not throwing to Adunze. He's throwing to
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  Speaker 2: a spot.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Yep, because Adunze's back is to him right now.
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  Speaker 2: Look at his motion. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's got his hitch, and that ball's out.
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  Speaker 1: third and 10 to a dunes, Greg, in the second
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  Speaker 1: quarter for 15.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to remember this one. Oh, yes. This
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: is where Dunesay motions across the formation. And again, you're
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: going to get free access into his route, so no
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: one's going to stop him. So this was just a
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: great snapshot out of empty and Dunesay motion across the formation.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: The Eagles went cover four behind a loaded front. They
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: did a long stunt with Hunt, which they do a
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: lot of, with Hunt being a looper in stunt concept.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: And just because it ends up being kind of a
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: high-low concept against cover four. And because Mitchell, you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: had a playoff, he couldn't press him. There's space. And
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: it's a tight window throw. I don't know if you
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: have the end zone shot of it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: It's actually a really good job by Zach Vaughn. He
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: almost gets there as the underneath guy. And he's someone
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: that Keenum is not really concerned about because he doesn't
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: think that Vaughn can impact the play, which he really can't.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: You know, if the timing's right, it's still an incredible
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: play by Zach Vaughn.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Boy, he was almost doing his uh,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: channeling his Zach, uh, TJ Edwards there. Yeah.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Window throw. I mean, and again, look at when he
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: starts his delivery guys, he started now. I mean, he
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: just played, he's, you know, guys like Keenum, Taylor Heineke,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: they all kind of have a pretty refined sense of timing.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: They're just smaller quarterbacks who don't have big arms. You know, they're, they're, Obviously,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: but Case Keenum, what is he? He's played probably like
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: 15 years in the NFL. Yeah, he's 38.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: 2012, I think he's been away.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, this game was not a
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: game where you say, oh, well, they tried to hide
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Case Keenum. They didn't try to hide Case Keenum. No.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Not at all.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: But, Greg, here's the thing. It's not like he's making
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: 5- or 10-yard throws. No. He throws like 25, 30-yard
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: throws a year. Now, I don't know if you got
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the Raymond touchdown. That was a– We.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Will get to that in a second. I just want
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to say, if we're going to nitpick on something, something
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that we've already talked about for this completion, it's third
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and 10. The Eagles do show their loaded front. They
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: just– they really couldn't get any pressure here. It was
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: good protection. It picked up well. Nobody really beat their guy.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and he had time to see and make that throw.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe if there's somebody in his face and he's a
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: bit delayed, then Bond gets there or somebody.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Else gets there. To Keenum's credit, he made a couple
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of really good throws when there was pressure. But for
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the most part, the Eagles, and that's been true for
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the first three games, and that's what they're hoping with Grenard.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And Grenard showed some quickness. He had a couple of
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: speed-to-power rushes. I mean, he showed flashes that, hey, he
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: could be a worthy edge-pass rusher. But for the most part,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: they've not been able to pressure the quarterback very much
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: through three games.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: And here's the second. We got two in a row
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: for Raymond. Second and 12 on the rise.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: This to me is just Ben Johnson being Ben Johnson.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Because what he did is he goes two by two
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: at a 12, and each outside receiver is a tight end.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: So what happens here is you're in base, so the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Eagles go base. So you're going to get your two
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: wide receivers matched on either a linebacker or an edge defender.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: So Hunt, I think it's Hunt who is outside over
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the slot to the field, but it's Bond who's matched
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: up over Raymond to the boundary. And it's just, you know,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: it's Raymond versus Bond. As good a player Bond is,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that's not, you know. Cliff Raymond's very quick. It's pitch
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and catch. Absolutely.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: That is a schemed up play, right?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's a schemed up play.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yep, 100%. All right. And then this is.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: This is where the gene and wall in and see,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: this to me is something. And again, I'm not saying
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: this wasn't gone over, but this is the kind of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: thing that should be automatic because you're playing a team
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: that is a high percentage motion team, particularly with receivers
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: across the formation. So you're playing a man concept here.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: So when he goes across the formation, first of all,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: you don't know exactly freeze at one set. You don't
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: know exactly where he's going to release. Is he going
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to go past the, Raymond, is he going to go
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: inside of him? And if he does go inside of him,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: is he then going to go outside in a switch
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: release concept? You've got to have an answer for this
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: based on your film study throughout the week. And clearly
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Dajin thought that he was going to stay with Burden
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and Wolin as soon as he saw the motion figure.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I'm going to expand and I'm going to get Burden.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So it was just total confusion between the two guys.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: And that, again... That can't happen because this is a
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: team that uses motion. It's not like the first time
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: this team used motion and you're unsure how to play it. Right.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: And it was coming.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Not to mention it's the third quarter. You probably played
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a few motion snaps already.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, this is just your basic, you know, fuss.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't communicate. They didn't have a– they
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: didn't– if they had a plan, they didn't execute the plan.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: And I have to believe they had a plan.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Right. So a really interesting thing, maybe Ben Johnson saw
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: something on tape as far as Reek being new and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: having to communicate because Case Keenum said in his interview
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: with ESPN After that he was going through plays with
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson Saturday night as they were pairing it down
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: to what they were going to run. And Ben was
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: really trying to get Case like, what do you want?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: What pass plays are you really comfortable with? So Case
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: gave some input. And then he said Ben had a
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: few plays that Case was not comfortable with But Ben said,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: trust me, I think they'll work. And he said the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: 41-yard touchdown was one that Ben really said, trust me
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: on this. So I wonder if Ben saw something on
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: tape that the motion was going to confuse that part
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of the Eagles defense. We'll never know, but just interesting.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: We will never know the answer to that. And then,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you know, because obviously no one's going to say that.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: But clearly, look, just go back. Can you go back?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Dick will see wide open, uncovered. Go back. Go back
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to even further. Go back to just before the ball snapped. Literally,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: if you can. I mean, I don't know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Right before the ball snapped? All right.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Just before the ball snapped. So let's say it's right.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: That's fine. So right now, what you have here is
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: it appears that Burton is releasing inside of Ray. Excuse me.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: So now, as a defense, you're thinking, okay, he's releasing
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: inside of him. But as the play starts to develop,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: he becomes the outside receiver. So it's almost a switch.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: So you're attempting to create confusion. Now, I'm not saying
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: they knew this would happen. No one knows that for sure.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: But that's part of why you do this. You're forcing
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: those two defenders to have to communicate on the fly
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in a millisecond.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And that's what happens in a millisecond.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And look at that. The ball was thrown to the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: other shoulder. He turned around and scored.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: That's the funny part of this. Nobody mentions that Keenum
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: actually didn't make a great throw, but hey.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: He made a bad throw.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: But I think you saw in this game, and I
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: told you on the pregame show that I thought that
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: it was Raymond who was more like the Amon Ross St. Brown. Yeah.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And I think you saw that. He's sort of the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Amon Ross St. Brown for Ben Johnson in this offense.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Think about it.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: This guy's been basically a fourth receiver and a special
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: teams returner his entire career.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Now he's a major part of their offense. Right.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Good for him. It happens.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: You know how we joke how Demarcus Robinson makes plays
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: in these games every year, even though he's like 55
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: years old? Yes, the Eagles say. Exactly.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It's funny you say that just before we wrap up.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: There's guys in the league like that. It always fascinates me.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: The guys that seem like they're with a different team
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: every year, but everywhere they go, they produce, but yet
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: they're never brought back. Or maybe they think they should
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: get more money. I don't know the reason. It seems
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: like they're never with the same team the next year.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It's funny how that works.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Great stuff. Greg, thank you very much. We'll do this
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: again next week after the Eagles-Rams, and we'll see if
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: anything improved on either side of the football. That's going
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to do it for this episode of Inside the Tape
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: here on Inside the Birds for Greg Cosell and Adam Kaplan.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher. We'll catch you all on the next one.