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SMNTY Classics: Disinformation and SCOTUS · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I Never told you prediction of
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  Speaker 2: iHeartRadio and because of some topics we're going to discuss
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  Speaker 2: around the election and things that are happening here in
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  Speaker 2: the United States. We had a couple of classics we
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  Speaker 2: wanted to bring back. This is one and it was
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  Speaker 2: something we did with bridget around disinformation and the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 2: and the Supreme Court has become a huge topic of
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  Speaker 2: conversation with suggestions about how to change it corruption allegations
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  Speaker 2: which are but this episode was when Supreme Court Justice
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  Speaker 2: Kaitanji Brown Jackson had just been nominated, So it is
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  Speaker 2: a little dated in that way, but I think that
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  Speaker 2: conversation within is very relevant still, right, Yeah, so we
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  Speaker 2: want to bring this one back.
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  Speaker 3: Please enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie, Hey Samantha, and welcome to Steph
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  Speaker 2: I've Never told you a production of iHeartRadio. Today, we
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  Speaker 2: are once again thrilled to be joined by the amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Award winning, fantastic Bridget Todd, who we count ourselves so
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  Speaker 4: lucky to know and call our friend. Congratulations Bridgid on
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  Speaker 4: your recent award for Best Technology Podcast at the iHeartRadio
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  Speaker 4: Podcast awards well deserved.
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  Speaker 2: That's so awesome. Congratulations to you and your whole team.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I'm going to say. It feel
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  Speaker 6: was freaking good to win. I was kind of like, oh, like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, just being nominated is nice, but I deep
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  Speaker 6: down kind of you ever have one of those times
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  Speaker 6: in your life where you just really need a win.
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  Speaker 5: That's where I was at.
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  Speaker 6: So I have to like briefly shout out my team.
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  Speaker 6: Tari Harrison is my producer and engineer. She's phenomenally talented.
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  Speaker 6: Jonathan Strickland is our EP, phenomenally talented doctor. Michael Lomato
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  Speaker 6: is our chief science officer and producer.
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  Speaker 5: So talented.
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  Speaker 6: I could not have one without them. They're so awesome. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: so thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Love a win, especially when it's our personal friends. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I said it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm claiming you as a personal friend.
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  Speaker 1: I know, Bridget thank you.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I feel the same way about you. I
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  Speaker 6: feel very honored to know you all in real life.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And in case you don't know, listeners, which I'm assuming
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  Speaker 2: you do, this was for the podcast. There are no
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  Speaker 2: girls on the internet, which is you've got a new
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  Speaker 2: season coming right.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I probably should have had the name of
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  Speaker 6: my own podcast. No, I'm I'm trying to get better
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  Speaker 6: at like self promotion. Yes, the podcast is called There
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  Speaker 6: Are No Girls on the Internet. We just won an
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  Speaker 6: iHeart Award and we're coming back for a brand new
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  Speaker 6: season on March first. So we've kind of been on
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  Speaker 6: hiatus for a bit while we've been retooling, and I'm
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  Speaker 6: so excited that we're finally launching. So it would mean
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  Speaker 6: a lot to me if y'all checked it out. Thank
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  Speaker 6: you for mentioning and Annie, I obviously cannot be trusted
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  Speaker 6: to remember to say the name of the thing I
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  Speaker 6: meant to be promoting, but yeah, please check it out.
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  Speaker 6: We have all kinds of interesting conversations about how women
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  Speaker 6: and queer folks and trans folks and black folks and
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  Speaker 6: other marginalized voices, how we show up or don't show
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  Speaker 6: up online and in technology. So uh yeah, please check
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  Speaker 6: it out. If that sounds like something you're interested.
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  Speaker 2: In, you absolutely should. I'm still waiting for the fan
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  Speaker 2: fiction episode.
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  Speaker 3: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yes tbd.
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  Speaker 3: Also just a fun.
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  Speaker 2: Fact about Tari, who's also a good friend of ours.
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  Speaker 2: She always seeing sitcom jingles at karaoke. Yeah, it's the
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  Speaker 2: thing I adore about.
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  Speaker 1: Her and she refuses to sing anything else and when
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  Speaker 1: someone interrupts her, she gets very annoyed. Rightly so, because
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  Speaker 1: this is her thing and she wants it and has
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  Speaker 1: claimed it and has done well with it.
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  Speaker 5: How did I not?
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  Speaker 6: How have I worked with Tari for two years and
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  Speaker 6: have not? I mean, I guess covid as hell, But yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I know this. I need to take her out there
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  Speaker 6: for karaoke.
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  Speaker 5: Please to see this in action.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you know what, what's a better bridget? We need
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  Speaker 1: you to come to Atlanta and hosts a big karaoke night.
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  Speaker 1: There's several great locations that we love, including my favorite
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  Speaker 1: spot towards Beeford Highway, ran by a Korean family who
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  Speaker 1: was as Korean as you think, and we adore them
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  Speaker 1: and they bring us fruit. Place is a delight while
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  Speaker 1: we sing karaoke to our hearts content.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so please put that on the agenda. The last
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  Speaker 5: time I was in Atlanta, I went to what is
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  Speaker 5: that spot called Church of car Church. There was some
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  Speaker 5: karaoke happening. It was pretty fun.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, Atlanta karaoke date literally anytime I am in.
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  Speaker 6: I need to see producer Tari in action singing these jingles.
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  Speaker 3: It's the best one time. And she's like, we're singing
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  Speaker 3: cheers together. Okay, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I love it, I love it. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So this topic you're bringing to us today, Bridget, is
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  Speaker 2: extremely timely. We're very excited to talk about it, and
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  Speaker 2: we have a lot to get into. So let's let's
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  Speaker 2: get into it. What are we talking about today?
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  Speaker 6: So today is Friday, February twenty fifth, twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 6: and I want to talk about the just recently announced
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  Speaker 6: new nominee for the Supreme Court, Judge Katanji Brown Jackson.
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  Speaker 6: So I have to admit I was putting together all
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  Speaker 6: my notes for this episode last night, and so the
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  Speaker 6: notes were all like, oh, the potential nominee, like when we.
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  Speaker 5: Have the nominee. It was all very like hypothetical.
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  Speaker 6: And then this morning the news just dropped that she
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  Speaker 6: is indeed the White House's pick to be the first
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  Speaker 6: ever black women Supreme Court justice on our Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 6: So very historic, very important, very exciting. But we know
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  Speaker 6: that it also comes along with racist attacks, sexist attacks,
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  Speaker 6: miss and disinformation that women of color who are in
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  Speaker 6: public office unfortunately tend to face and so today I
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  Speaker 6: really wanted to talk about how we got to this
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  Speaker 6: place of having this historic black woman being nominated for
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  Speaker 6: the Supreme Court, and what kind of attacks she's likely
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  Speaker 6: to be facing, what kind of attacks she's already been facing,
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  Speaker 6: and how we can sort of all work together to
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  Speaker 6: create the conditions to have a better conversation about her nomination.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and as you said, this is very ongoing. We're
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  Speaker 2: trying to get this episode out as quickly as possible
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  Speaker 2: because things are changing very quickly.
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  Speaker 3: But we've already seen some of these attacks.
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  Speaker 2: I know we're going to get into that in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: but before we do that, can you give us some
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  Speaker 2: history and background on what's going on here?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, So here's a little bit of background about the
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  Speaker 6: calls to nominate a black women for the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 6: I have to shout out that she will rise. Campaign
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  Speaker 6: organized by a great organization called Cistuscotus, and their whole
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  Speaker 6: coalition is full of dynamic black women, women like April Rain,
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  Speaker 6: who created the hashtag oscar so white sixteen nineteen project
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  Speaker 6: creator Nicole Hannah Jones Alencia Johnson, who I love, I
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  Speaker 6: used to work with her at Planned Parenthood Broadway Multi
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  Speaker 6: Tony Award winner Audra McDonald. So, just a huge coalition
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  Speaker 6: of dynamic, badass black women who have been advocating to
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  Speaker 6: put a black woman on the Supreme Court. And so
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  Speaker 6: in the over two hundred year history of the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 6: not one black woman has ever been confirmed or even
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  Speaker 6: nominated to serve on the Supreme Court. There have been
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  Speaker 6: one hundred and fifteen men and women who have served
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  Speaker 6: on the Supreme Court, and only three of them have
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  Speaker 6: been people of color. There have only been two Black
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  Speaker 6: American members of the Supreme Court, Justice through Good Marshall
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  Speaker 6: and Justice Clarence Thomas. And so that's obviously not a
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  Speaker 6: very inclusive track record in terms of representation. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: this idea of I thought this this was kind of
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  Speaker 6: a new president, you know, a presidential candidate saying like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: if I'm elected, I will put this kind of person
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  Speaker 6: on the Supreme Court. However, there is actually a long
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  Speaker 6: history and precedent for presidents pedging to pick a Scotist
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  Speaker 6: nominee who represents a certain demographic of our population. So
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  Speaker 6: this is from a really great New York Times out
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  Speaker 6: ed by Walter Dellinger, who was the acting Solicitor General
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  Speaker 6: of the United States under Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 5: He writes, there is a long and important.
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  Speaker 6: Tradition of presidents taking into consideration the demographic characteristics of
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  Speaker 6: prospective justices, including geographic background, religion, race, and sex, to
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  Speaker 6: ensure the Supreme Court is and remains a representative institution
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  Speaker 6: in touch with the very facets of American life.
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  Speaker 5: More fundamentally, our.
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  Speaker 6: History shows the process of reaching out to expand the
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  Speaker 6: personal backgrounds of the justices has often produced stellar jurists
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  Speaker 6: who make historic contributions to our court and judicial system.
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  Speaker 6: So he goes on to describe how President Reagan promised
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  Speaker 6: to nominate a woman of the Supreme Court, and even
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  Speaker 6: though a bunch of his Republican colleagues were very v
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  Speaker 6: against it and kind of forced him to add some
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  Speaker 6: men to his shortlist, President Reagan was really adamant about
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  Speaker 6: picking a woman and eventually nominated Sandra de O'Connor, making
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  Speaker 6: for the first ever female Associate Supreme Court justice.
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  Speaker 5: And so that's some history that I didn't even know about.
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  Speaker 6: You know, how other presidents have set this president to
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  Speaker 6: make the Supreme Court more inclusive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think. I mean, it's kind of a
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  Speaker 2: waste of breath to call a lot of news organizations
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  Speaker 2: and Republicans perhaps if they're critical, but they would have you.
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  Speaker 3: Believe that this is a new thing, like, oh, this is.
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  Speaker 2: Never happen before, and it's ridiculous, right, And this is
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  Speaker 2: not just an issue of representation, correct.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, so representation is important. People often say like, representation matters,
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  Speaker 6: and it absolutely does.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not, you know, disagreeing with that.
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  Speaker 6: However, it's not just a problem because representation matters. It's
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  Speaker 6: also a problem because we deserve a representative democracy, a
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  Speaker 6: democracy with the people who are governing actually are able
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  Speaker 6: to meaningfully represent the people they are governing on behalf of.
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  Speaker 6: And you can't have that if your Supreme Court is
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  Speaker 6: mostly men, mostly white, because then you have a Supreme
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  Speaker 6: Court is not actually able to you know, meaningfully represent
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  Speaker 6: the people they're meant to be advocating on behalf of,
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  Speaker 6: or working on behalf of. A biographical database from the
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  Speaker 6: Federal Judicial Center shows that of the three eight hundred
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  Speaker 6: and forty three federal judges, less than two percent have
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  Speaker 6: been black women. And so again it's not just the
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  Speaker 6: Supreme Court. It really does go to show that we
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  Speaker 6: have a long way to go in making sure that
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  Speaker 6: the people who are actually representing us in the courts
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  Speaker 6: actually are able to meaningfully represent us and like look
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  Speaker 6: like the population that they're actually meant to serve.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I think right now a lot of us,
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  Speaker 2: for good reason, I would say, are on edge when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to the Supreme Court and decisions that they're
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  Speaker 2: tackling or thinking about, including abortion. So this is very,
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  Speaker 2: very very important that we are representing accurately our country,
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  Speaker 2: the people in our country. So can we talk a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about the promise Biden made when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to nominating a black woman to the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, So this is one of those instances.
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  Speaker 6: Where Biden made a very clear campaign promise. Certainly the
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  Speaker 6: administration has made other campaign promises and tbd if they
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  Speaker 6: will come to fruition, but this was a very clear one.
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  Speaker 6: So this is sort of making good on a very
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  Speaker 6: exuplicit promise. You might hear black women referred to as
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  Speaker 6: the backbone of the Democratic Party, and that's because we
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  Speaker 6: are reliable voters who tend to vote Democrat, and we
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  Speaker 6: tend to go out there and organize our friends and
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  Speaker 6: our family and our communities to also vote as well.
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  Speaker 6: If you look at the numbers, you know, black women,
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  Speaker 6: but I think it was like less than one percent
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  Speaker 6: of Black women voted for Trump.
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  Speaker 5: So we pretty much we are.
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  Speaker 6: Pretty reliable voters for the Democrats. Has helped them it
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  Speaker 6: that way, and an overwhelming majority of Black women, I
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  Speaker 6: think it was ninety three percent supported Biden during his
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  Speaker 6: presidential bid in twenty twenty, right before voting began in
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  Speaker 6: South Carolina, during South Carolina's primary, Biden made a very
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  Speaker 6: clear campaign promise to nominate a black woman to the
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  Speaker 6: Supreme Court. And so yeah, this was a very clear
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  Speaker 6: promise that he made to a constituency that is reliable,
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  Speaker 6: that is really did a lot of the work and
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  Speaker 6: a lot of the ground game of getting out the
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  Speaker 6: vote and organizing our communities to get out the vote
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  Speaker 6: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and going back to what you mentioned, when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to all of these sexist, racist attacks that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of women and women of color, and especially black
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  Speaker 2: women face when it comes to elections like this or
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  Speaker 2: nominations like this, and then also misinformation and information, it's
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  Speaker 2: one thing to kind of say that, like, Okay, let's
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  Speaker 2: elect a black woman and then another to provide the
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  Speaker 2: necessary support.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, we hear like I have a shirt
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  Speaker 6: that says trust black women. You know, we hear a
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  Speaker 6: lot of slogans about, you know, the importance of electing
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  Speaker 6: black women and really amplifying our political leadership.
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  Speaker 5: And again, I feel like that that is great. Representation
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  Speaker 5: is so great.
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  Speaker 6: However, it really does need to go along with the
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  Speaker 6: work of creating the condition so these these women will
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  Speaker 6: be supported that they're not it's going to be you know,
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  Speaker 6: fodder for unfair, sexist, racist attacks purely based on their
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  Speaker 6: identity who they are. And so I don't want to
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  Speaker 6: just have black women, or women or women of color.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to just have us be amplified as
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  Speaker 6: leaders if we're going to be set up to fail,
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  Speaker 6: if we're going to be set up to compete in
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  Speaker 6: a completely unequal playing field. I want to amplify the
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  Speaker 6: leader readership of women. But I also want to create
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  Speaker 6: the conditions.
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  Speaker 5: That we actually can thrive.
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  Speaker 6: And so I think that that's really what I want
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  Speaker 6: to get into today.
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  Speaker 5: About some of the ways that our media.
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  Speaker 6: Landscape are kind of set up to ensure that this
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  Speaker 6: person will not get a fair shake I have to say,
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  Speaker 6: like I wasn't really thrilled watching Jinzaki from the White
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  Speaker 6: House kind of give this tepid acknowledgment of the kind
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  Speaker 6: of racism and sexism that would go along with picking
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  Speaker 6: a black woman for the Supreme Court nominee. She said
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  Speaker 6: that Biden's intention to pick a black woman for the
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  Speaker 6: Supreme Court presented quote specific challenges, But in my opinion,
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  Speaker 6: that really doesn't go far enough in naming and lifting
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  Speaker 6: up the kind of racist, sexist attacks and media climate
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  Speaker 6: that are setting this person up to face.
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  Speaker 5: And that can really be tricky.
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  Speaker 6: Because, as I'm sure a lot of people listening can
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  Speaker 6: probably attest to, it can be sometimes difficult to call
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  Speaker 6: out the kind of unfair attacks that we face as
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  Speaker 6: marginalized people. So if you're a woman who is facing sexism,
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  Speaker 6: sometimes if you are the one to vocalize that, that
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  Speaker 6: only kind of goes against you because then you're the complainer,
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  Speaker 6: you're the nag. And so if you're in a climate
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  Speaker 6: where you can't really call out what you're facing and
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  Speaker 6: the people around you aren't going to explicitly call out
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  Speaker 6: what you're facing, then it's just allowed to fester.
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  Speaker 5: Like on called out Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I found it interesting because as you had brought this
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  Speaker 1: to our attention, I hadn't realized he had made an announcement.
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  Speaker 1: We just knew the promises that President Biden had given.
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  Speaker 1: Finally naming a name and trying to look her up
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  Speaker 1: and seeing who she was. Of course, one of the
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  Speaker 1: top things that I saw was a congressman going in
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  Speaker 1: on attacks and being repeatedly attacking them, just obviously already
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  Speaker 1: ready to go. Oddly enough, the same congressman was the
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  Speaker 1: one that had been one of three Republicans who had
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  Speaker 1: voted her in her federal seat, and we were like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: so how is she qualified then and not now? But
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  Speaker 1: we know the answer obviously of why they are very
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  Speaker 1: upset about this pick. In general, in all of the
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  Speaker 1: game of politics, we understand that. But as it comes along,
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  Speaker 1: that is part of that conversation where I'm like, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even want to mention who it is because
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to amplify that even more. Instead, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about her qualifications and why she is qualified to
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  Speaker 1: lead us in this type of position.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely so, even before Judge Jackson was named as the nominee,
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  Speaker 6: people were wasting no time lobbying these completely ridiculous, unfair
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  Speaker 6: sexist attacks on her. Just we don't even know who
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  Speaker 6: she is, to WHI she's a hypothetical person. Senator John
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  Speaker 6: Kennedy he told Politico, I want a nominee who knows
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  Speaker 6: a law book from a J Crew catalog. I want
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  Speaker 6: a nominee who's not going to try to rewrite the
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  Speaker 6: constitution every other Thursday to advance a woke agenda.
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  Speaker 5: And he was saying this, we didn't even.
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  Speaker 6: Know who this person was yet, and they were already
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  Speaker 6: lobbing these racist, sexist attacks, like why do you assume
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  Speaker 6: that she's not going to know what a legal brief
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  Speaker 6: from a J Crew catalog? Like that's like reading between
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  Speaker 6: the lines. That is obviously meant to be a sexist swipe.
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  Speaker 6: Because Biden had already expressed his intentions to nominate a
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  Speaker 6: black woman, why do you assume this person is going
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  Speaker 6: to be, you know, pushing a woke agenda? And what
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  Speaker 6: does that even mean? I think when you really pull
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  Speaker 6: apart some of these dog whistles that are used, it
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  Speaker 6: just reveals itself as unfair attacks, rooted in identity, or
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  Speaker 6: just complete hypocrisy, Like just like what you were saying,
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  Speaker 6: were you referencing Lindsay Graham?
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  Speaker 5: Who was you know? I think it was Literal.
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  Speaker 6: So I've been up working on this since like like
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  Speaker 6: all day, right, I watched the announcement come in, I
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: watched all the responses. Lindsey Graham tweeted Literal minute after
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: she was announced, saying, quote, the radical left had won
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: over Biden.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Yet Graham also voted.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: To confirm Judge Deecks into the DC Federal Appeals Court,
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: which is the second most important court in the country,
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: just eight months ago, this past summer.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: So which is it? Is this a win for the
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: woke left?
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: And like what was different eight months earlier when you
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: voted to confirm her?
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: So it is very.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Interesting at this point, I wouldn't even like the hypocrisy
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: is so clear that it's almost sort of like not
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: worth pointing out. It's like, of course, you are only
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: interested in a bad faith assessment. You know, you don't
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: even expect people to look back at your own voting
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: record to see where you actually stand on this issue.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: You're just counting on people not actually spending a little
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: bit of time and thinking about what you're saying.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we're both shaking our head with friends. Yeah,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: it's true.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Though, it's so frustrating because it's like every time I
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: point out something that's hypocritical, it doesn't matter anymore.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, Rose, it is.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, essentially, it's kind of what we were talking
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: about when Amy Barrett Cohen was confirmed as well as Kavanaugh,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: about the ridiculous hypocrisy that happened between Obama and administration
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and the Trump administration. And now we're back again. Now
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: we're here again to the same conversation, and literally half
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: of the Republican candidates or the conservative politicians will agree, Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: this is hypocritical. This is what we do, and they
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: kind of just leave it at that and assume that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: nobody will notice. And typically people who are already dug
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: their hills in don't notice, won't notice because they want
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: what they want in whatever agenda it is they have
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: planted themselves firmly in. But yeah, let's talk about the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: fact this is a whole different conversation, but that we
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: have different types of terms, and words like woke that
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: have been used as a positive has now flipped so
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: hard to a negative that everyone is automatically like, oh,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: he said it. He's right, it's bad.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I could talk all day. I'llnestly. So
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: I have two things to say about this. One is
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: that you are so right.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: There are so many words that have just become meaningless.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: So if you're talking about a hypothetical Supreme Court nominee
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: and you're like, oh, we don't want somebody who's woke,
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: you don't know any This person doesn't is a hypothetical person,
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: so you're not You don't know anything about their record,
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: you don't know anything about like where they stand on
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: the issues. So saying woke it almost just just the
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: only thing we know about this person is that she's
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: going to be a black woman. So saying you don't
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: want someone who is woke, reading between the lines, you're
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: using that as a stand in for the word black, right,
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: And so I think that we see that time and
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: time again where these words become stand ins for identity,
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: and they also kind of become meaningless, right, Like cancel
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: culture is another one I remember reading this is.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: This is sort of silly, But there was this story a.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: While ago where this guy who had been running a
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: racehorse in the Kentucky Derby. His racehorse had been I
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: don't know, they like, I'm sure there's more details to it,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: but essentially, his racehorse had been drug tested and he
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: had been like found to have drugs in a system,
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: so he was disqualified. And in an interview he was like, oh,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: this is cancel culture strikes again. And I was like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: what are you even talking about, Like, how is cancel culture?
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Like in what way you caught?
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you gotta cut doping your horse and your horse
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: was disqualified.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: That's not cancel culture, even Like, I just.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: Have a lot of questions about the way that these
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: words are being used.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: But I think and that's kind of.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: The second point that I want to make about this
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: is that one of the reasons why I am so
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: adamant about things like disinformation, misinformation and just having a healthier,
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: more honest conversation and a media landscape that facilitates those
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: kinds of conversations is that we are no longer able
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: to have substantive, thoughtful conversations about the issue when our
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: ecosystem is flooded with bad faith, clearly hypocritical rhetoric and discourse.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: And so you know, even if you're someone let's say
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: that you're listening and you are very conservative. You know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: you probably have hated this conversation that we've been having,
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: but you know, like even if you're someone who is
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: very conservative, you deserve to be able to, you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: talk about your your issues, talk have a substantive conversation
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: and a substantive debate about where you stand on the issues.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: And so I believe that when the discoord and the
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: space is just flooded with you know, charged rhetoric where
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: we're talking where we're talking about race or identity but
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: using different words, everybody loses because you're not able to
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: have a substantive conversation about where you might agree or
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: disagree with the Supreme Court nominee.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: Right the ow.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: And so I think that that's my biggest issue is
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: that we have a media ecosystem that really amplifies the
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: most extreme, the most over the top statements, or the
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: most nonsense statements, and so everybody loses. Democrat, Republican, conservative, lefty, whoever.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: Everybody loses when we have an ecosystem that amplifies the
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: least substantive takes because that takes away from the ability
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: to have an actual substantive, thoughtful debate or conversation about
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: the actual issues, and so I don't want to create
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: the conditions for Judge Jackson to only be judged by racist,
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: sexist tropes or caricatures or unfair attacks, because I want
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: to talk about her, her actual credentials, I want to
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: talk about her actual record. I want to talk about
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: her actual character. But disinformation and misinformation does not allow
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: for the actual issues to take the center stage that
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: they should.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Right you just kind of explained my whole conversation with
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: my parents over the holidays, but we won't get into
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that right now.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: I'm just gon't put that there.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: It was interesting, but you know, and them thinking about
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: this because when we talk about these terms and automatically
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: just becoming used by media as an ecosystem to bring
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in the shock value, it makes me also realize that
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: in terms of what they're talking about in woke, it
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: is a black term that was created by the black
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: community to kind of gift non black people with Hey,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you woke up. Congratulations, you're finally seeing what we have
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: been going through all of our generations.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Welcome you have woke.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Like, that's kind of that term, and I hate that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: it has been weaponized to this point of being used
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: against people and when they're using it. When Kennedy used this,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: he was weaponizing this terms to a woman, to an official,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to a judge, to a professional who didn't need to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: be woke. She was already there. This was her life.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And not only that. If we do look at her
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: backgrounds and credentials, she has been doing this work. There's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: no conversation of her being woke.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: She just is. So with that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Because I'm angry about this, can we talk about some
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: of those qualifications?
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely so.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: One of the best ways to counter all the kinds
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: of BS, racist, sexist attacks that you're definitely going to
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: hear about Judge Jackson is to flood the space to
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: counter that with accurate information. So I'm super excited to
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: talk about her actual qualifications. So a little bit of
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: background information about Judge Jackson. She was born in Washington,
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: d C. Shout out to d C, where I am
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: also from. She grew up in Miami, Florida. Her parents
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: started their career as public school teachers and then later
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: became administrators in the Miami Dade County public school system.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: I love this a little fun fact about her. Judge
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: Jackson was a star student, but she was told not
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: to set her sites too high by a guidance counselor.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: When she told that guidance counselor that she wanted to
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: go to Harvard and guess where she ended up going
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: to college Harvard. Yes, that's right, So she definitely like
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: shut that guidance counselor right up. She studied government at
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: Harvard University and attended Harvard Law School, where she was
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: the supervising editor of the Harvard Law Review. So her
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: educational credentials are pretty solid.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would say so. I love that too.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I hope that that the guidance counselor knows.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Oh he knows now.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: So something else about her is that she's absurdly qualified
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: in experienced. So this is from Steve Ladek. Judge Jackson
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: has eight point nine years of prior judicial experience.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: That's more than four of our current.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: Justices Thomas, Roberts, Kagan and Barrett had combined. It's also
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: more than four of the last ten justices had at
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: their confirmations, nine of the last seventeen and forty three
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: of fifty eight appointed since nineteen hundred. So anybody who
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: tells you she is not experienced, anybody that tells you
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: that she's not qualified. Anybody that tells you that she
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: only got this position because she's a black woman is
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: just misinformed and they're spreading misinformation because as we can see,
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: she's very qualified, more qualified than some of the current
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: Supreme Court justices, right.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Which is infuriating.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But yes, also, as you mentioned, she's already gone through
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of vetting, right.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, So this is something else that I think people
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: really need to understand. She has been vetted a ton,
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: She has a proven track record of attracting bipartisan support
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: in the Senate. She's already been confirmed three times on
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: a bipartisan vote, so there is no reason to not
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: expect the same now that she's being considered for the
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: Supreme Court again. Lindsey Graham voted to confirm her, Murkowski
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: voted to confirm her, and Collins voted to confirm her.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: So these are Republicans who broke ranks with their party
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: to side with Democrats to vote to confirm her. And so,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: having already gone through this process, I would really want
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: someone like Lindsay Graham to sit down with me and
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: explain what changed over the last eight months. When he
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: voted to confirm her to the second most important court
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: in the country.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: To now, if he is saying.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: That she is not an appropriate choice, I'm the same
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: with Collins and Murkowski.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: There's no reason to expect that she.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: Should not be able to be confirmed by the Senate,
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: considering she's been vetted and gone through this process three
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: different times before.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: There are certain people that like thinking about talking to
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: them makes my skin crawl.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Graham as one of them.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: But yes, I do find it interesting, and this is
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a whole different conversation again. You know how I love
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the sidetrack that it is an interesting strategy that Biden
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and his administration has pulled, not only because this is
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: obviously telling is like, Okay, this is one of the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: most qualified people that we could find that we think
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: is deserving and has earned a place in this position.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: If you who oppose everything we do, are sot to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: start arguing, is going to be a telltale sign of
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: who you are and what you're doing. So it's an
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: interesting turn. Again, that's a whole different conversation because I've
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: always interested in good political thriller and this feels like,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I have to do everything a little fictional
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: or movie s.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so true.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: Because, like you know, and thinking I was thinking about
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: that this morning. I do think it's clear to me
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: that the administration picked someone who had already been like
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: gone through this process a few times just so that
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: it will be, you know, just sort of shut down
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: any kind of you know, consternation there might be in
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: terms of like you know, like vetting her and all
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: of that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: And I think it really demonstrates something. I'm not totally sure.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: This is not a completely fleshed out thought, and I'm
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: not totally sure how it fits into this conversation, but
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: I do think there is this standard for women, women
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: of color and black women where we have to be
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: extra special qualified.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Kind of that standard of women have to do one
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty forty fifty percent more than men in general,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and then when you're a part of the marginalized community,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: add on another twenty percent, and then if you're a
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: black woman, add on another thirty percent of exceeding the standard,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: exceeding the qualifications because for some reason, you have to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: be on that level in order to be seen as serious.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: So that's just in general, So let's put that in
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: this federal level where they are putting her under a
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: microscope in every way, and not only putting her in
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: micro under a microscope to twist and turn truth. They're
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: going to tell flat out wies. We know this, It's
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: already happening, that's what they're doing. And we saw this
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: with Kamala Harris, which I really found fascinating because Kamala
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Harris has a track record as the Attorney General. They
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: lasted her rightful, it's so for her track record in
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: criminalizing people in general. And when I found out Judge
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Jackson comes from the public defender filed correct.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: That's right, So super super exciting. Not only would she
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: be historic as the first black woman on the Supreme Court,
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: but also the first public defender to serve on the Court,
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: which is a big deal.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: She has a long.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: Personal history of working as a public defender. While she
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: was at Harvard, a relatively sentenced to life in prison
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: for a non violent drug offense, and she helped convince
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: a law firm to take his case pro bono, eventually
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: leading to having President Obama commute his sentence. And so
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: it is a big deal to have somebody on the
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: Supreme Court who has this legacy of public service in
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: this way.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: My brother's a lawyer.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: He got his start as a public defender in Durham,
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: North Carolina. I just love the idea of having someone
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: who has this history because it's important, you know. I
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: think that it's often easy to forget that public service
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: should be a pipeline into bigger things, you know, like
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: I want to see more teachers, public educators, public servants
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: be elevated on a national way like this.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: So I love that aspect of.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Her amen former social worker.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: A men.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: We have this attitude where it's like, if you choose
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: to serve the public, you're some kind of a like.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: I don't think we give people who serve the public
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: the like props they deserve, and they deserve a lot.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I have been feeling some emotions
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: for our people in Texas who are social workers that
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: we know what's happening there, most people do, I think,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: especially our listeners. And my heart has been breaking because
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I already know how divisive that type of conversation is.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: But going back to Judge Jackson and her public defense, like, yeah,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I have worked with many a public defenders, and a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: good public defender is invaluable the way that they have
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: to advocate and push for truth and justice, true justice
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: meaning that we are hearing the side and that they
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: are not guilty till proven otherwise. And how often times,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: especially in I'm assuming DC Atlanta is very similar, how
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: often that gets wrong, and that when we would find
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: as social worker who worked in the judicial system, when
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I found a good defender, I went and talked to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: them personally to try to get them onto cases for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: my kids specifically to make sure that they got what
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: was fair. And that is so huge, So I do
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: my heart is soaring to know that we have someone
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: in that field coming to this point.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a pretty historic thing. And yeah, people who
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: serve the public like thoughtfully and meaningfully, they really care
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: about people. And so I applaud you for, you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: going the extra mile to create the conditions for your
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: kids to get real justice and to have a real advocate,
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: because that's not everybody is like that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: That's like a special thing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something that's been on my mind and
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of our minds lately.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Which is a separate podcast, but I'll mention it here.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It's like I feel in this country, we have a
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: real problem with glorifying like male ass story as being successful,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: like oh, you managed the system, get your money, like
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. Kind of like what we're talking about
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: here with the critical nature of all these arguments being made,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: and it's more to me, it feels more about the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: show and like, ooh, I'm a politician, I'm on TV now,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: like it's glorified, Whereas we have people who are working
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: for the public, and in a lot of ways these
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: are kind of more gendered as feminine and therefore lesser
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: in nature, like not worth the attention, not worth the accolades,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: not worth the money, even though it's so critical to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a functioning society.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: But yeah, oh my gosh, I mean I could talk
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: all day. The way that we have harmed everyone, like
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: a deep, deep societal harm is our legacy of not
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: respecting jobs that we code as feminine traditionally feminine, so
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: care work, you know, social work, education, all of these
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: things that we have coded as feminine. The deprioritization and
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: just like outright degradation and disrespect of those I think
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: that the ramifications we will never fully be able to
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: contend with as a society. How much that has harmed
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: us the way that you know, people who do care
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: work are underpaid, if they're paid at all, just the
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: way that we don't even factor it in and it
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: just falls on unpaid women, right Like, This is what
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: I mean when I say women are the backbone of
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: our country and our society, and oftentimes that work is
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: just completely not just unpaid, but unseen, unacknowledged. It's just
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: like the cost of society functioning. And so I think
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: that this country sometimes the only thing that is standing
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: between our country and like complete collapse is the effort
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: and labor of some exhausted women right way.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Right, And let's be honest at this point in time,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: is black women like that? I think, like when we
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: talked about the elections before Biden, the Biden administration, the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: amount of work that has to be done, when we
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: talked about cases like Aubrey Ahmed and all of those,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: how women have been forefront and protesting and bringing up
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: all of these conversations and the continued work that they
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: have to do. But not only that, like, not only
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: are they working to do good, but they're often having
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to combat all of the disinformation and harmful things that
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: are being said about them. Because they are doing the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: hard work exactly.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, that really leads us back to, you know,
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Judge Jackson. Just so, Judge Jackson, I think I got
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: the email that she was.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Going to be the pick at like.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: Eight point thirty this morning, and so we're talking at
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: two pm, and so already in a couple of hours.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Here are some of the unfair or just complete misleading
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: attacks I've seen on her. One is that you know,
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: her decisions have been overturned, when in reality, of her
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: roughly six hundred decisions that she has authored, she has
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: been overruled just two percent of the time, right, And
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: so if someone is telling you that in her career
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: as a judge, her decisions have been routinely overruled or.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Overturned, that's just not true. It's that less than two
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: percent of the time.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: The idea that she's an affirmative action higher, that she
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: only got the job because she's a black woman, when
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: in reality she is clearly absurdly qualified, to the point
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: where even talking about it seems ridiculous. This idea that
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: she's too woke or too radical. One thing I would
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: say is really be wary of people throwing things like
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: that around without being able to point to.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: A specific ruling or policy or argument that she makes.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: Right, So, just saying somebody so and so is too
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: radical and then not having it be attached to any
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: kind of actual policy that you think, demonstrates that be
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: wary of people are who are saying that, because, in
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: my opinion, nine times out of ten, when someone saying that,
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: what they actually mean is this person as a black woman.
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: And then this idea of just sort of kind of
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: connecting her to things.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: For no real reason, with no real.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: Explanation as to like why you are connecting her to
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: these things? And so earlier today, Mitch McConnell tweeted, the
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: Senate must conduct a rigorous, exhaustive review of Judge Jackson's
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: nomination to the Supreme Court. This is especially crucial as
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: American families face major crises that connect directly to our
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: legal systems, such as skyrocketing violent crime and open borders.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: So what does Judge Jackson have to do with open borders? Exactly?
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: What does she have to do with violent crime?
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Exactly?
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: You know the fact that he's just throwing her in,
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: you know, connecting her to these things. I think, really,
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: I think this is a moment where we will really
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: be rewarded by really thinking critically about what people are
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: saying and what they're saying in between the lines. And
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: I think that really, to me demonstrates a tricky truth
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: about the nature of racialized and gender disinformation. I think
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: most people can tell you that there is misleading or
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: an accurate information out there about like COVID or vaccines,
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: But misinformation can be a lot trickier to spot and
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: talk about when it relies on dog whistles, you know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: the same way that someone might say like, oh, a
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: woman is too emotional to lead, and that's just code
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: for being a woman. Oftentimes people are using dog whistles
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: or coded language to attack women, women of color, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: other marginalized folks with this kind of like highly coded
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: language that can be so tough to really call out
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: and talk about for what it is.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's such a again, it's one of those things.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: It's such a double standard and it's so hypocritical. But
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I think back to Cavanaugh, He's like crying these angry tears.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: It's like confirmation.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Wait, this is what you're not gonna call him emotional notes.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: He's being awarded for being emotional as a man because
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: that's difficult for.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Them because he's trying because he's being accused of sexual assault. Right.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: Yes, isn't it funny how like we've we've branded anger
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: as not an emotion, so like women are too emotional?
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: It's like, well men, if men get angry in public,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: is that not an emotion? And how come the too emotional?
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: You know, banner is not used to identify that as
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: an emotion.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, I could talk about that forever.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: What is the cartoon with all the emotions?
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Inside out?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Well, inside out taught me different anger's emotion. I saw it.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised. I just saw that you avoid those said
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: so do.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I cried, well, he'll again, I was said. Last night
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: and my partner tried to make me watch Paddington again.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, how dare you? I cried, No, it
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: is it Paddington too. I didn't trust them after the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: first one.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Anyway, that's fair.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Uh. Something else that I has been on my mind
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: and has been a source of frustration for a lot
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: of us, and that we've talked about on your segments
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: when you come on Bridge it is this kind of
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: what you mentioned is like not only is Judge Jackson
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: facing all of this like job interview that's very intensive,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: But then there's all of these attacks online that are
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: racist and sexist, and I we've talked about it. It's
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: not unique to this area because we've talked about it
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: in terms of video games, so we've talked about it
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: in terms of entertainment. But I feel like that's already
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: a term of gatekeeping. That's already an extra thing you're
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: asking people and the people that know them, like their
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: families and friends, to deal with. And we just seem
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: to accept that as the status quo of being a
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: marginalized person that exists in our media landscape.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, you know, I'm so glad that you put it
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: that way, because I think that we have this understanding
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: that it's just the cost of doing business as a
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: marginalized person. And if you don't want this kind of
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: thing to happen to you, then just don't speak and
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: don't express opinions, and don't strive, and don't put yourself
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: out there, and don't become a public figure and don't
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: serve your public, and don't like it's just a whole
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: list of dots. And so I really want to urge
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: people to have a shift around their understanding of that
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: and say, like, we deserve to have a media landscape
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: where everybody can speak up, everybody can participate, and that
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: you're not going to be attacked unfairly based on your
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: identity just for putting yourself out there. And so I
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: want to quickly talk about some research from the Institute
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: for Strategic Dialogue and they analyze social media abuse of
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: candidates and found that women of color candidates are targeted
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: on social media at alarming rates.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: They analyze all these different.
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: Messages that these candidates were getting, and they found that
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: abusive messages accounted for more than fifteen percent of those
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: directed at every female lawmaker they analyze, compared with around
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: five to ten percent of the male candidates. Women of
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: color were particularly likely to be targeted. Representative Ilhan Omar
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: got the highest proportion thirty nine percent of abusive messages
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: of all the candidates, and AOC you got the highest
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: ratio of abusive comments on Facebook. And when you're talking
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: about women, the abuse directed towards women is much more
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: likely to be about their gender than the abuse that's
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: targeting men. Abuse targeting men was much more generalized and
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: focus on their political stances, while messages directed at women
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: were much more likely to focus on either appearance or
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: general competence. And so, yeah, I mean you, if you
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: are a woman or a marginalized person who is putting
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: yourself out there in this way, you deserve to be
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: judged on your merits, your record, your words, your deeds,
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: your values, not your identity, not racist sexist tropes, not
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: you know, nonsense about women or women of color not
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: being good leaders or being unqualified. You deserve to really
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: have your record speak for itself. And I have to
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: say it's not just sort of I talk a lot
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: about you know, online bad actors. It's not just fringe extremists.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: We also see mainstream media outlets playing a huge role
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: in legitimizing and mainstreaming racist, sexist attacks on women of
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: color in public office. And so you know, you might
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: see things like an article about some complete racist nonsense
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: or a complete racist attack being quoted in the headline
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: of an article so that when people share it on
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: social media, it provides the impression that this is a
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: legitimate grievance that somebody might have instead of just a
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: racist attack.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Right, And so we are.
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: Really calling on media to not create the conditions for
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: these kind of racist sexist attacks to fester and spread. Right,
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: I think that this is a time that really requires everybody,
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: whether you are a journalist or an editor or just
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: a regular person on social media, to really be careful
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: and thoughtful about how you are talking about this very
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: visible black woman who is going up for this very
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: visible position in the Supreme Court.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like you just let us into this.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: So tell us the listeners and us voters and constituents
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: who are here to not only look and see and
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: view be the audience, but participate in help stopping this
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: harmful disinformation. What do we need to do to make
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: sure that we are not only engaging in that, but
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: not being a part of that, but not spreading that.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm so glad you asked. So.
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: First, it's just you know, if you see like a
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: harmful racist sexist attack or a conspiracy theory, first and foremost,
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: don't spread it. Nine times out of tenant you see
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: this kind of thing, if you retweet it or like
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: comment on it, you're actually just helping it grow and spread.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: Because of the.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: Algorithmic nature of most of our social media platforms and
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: so the platform is going to think like, oh, this
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: person is engaging with this, it must be good content.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: I'm going to surface it for more people. So don't
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: do that. Focus instead on sharing accurate, timely information about
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: the issues and the candidates. Right, So, talk to people
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: about Judge Jackson's actual record, talk to people about her
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: actual positions and where she actually stands. That will kind
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: of provide a little bit of taking the oxygen out
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: of the kinds of racist, sexist, gendered attacks we are
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: short to see. You can go to we are ultraviolet
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: dot org and check out our media kit. Really asking
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: for the media to create the conditions for this person
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: to be you know, fairly judged and fairly talked about
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: and fairly assessed by the American public. And also the
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: last one I would say is like, just really ask
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: questions and be be I think this is a time
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: where we will really be rewarded if we are interested
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: in being critical thinkers. Right, So, when someone says like, oh,
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: she's too radical, but can't give you a single thing
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: that backs up what they're saying, or when someone says like, oh,
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: she's just going to be really woke, you know, really
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: being able to ask you know what do you mean
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: by that?
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Is when you say woke? Like, what does that mean?
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: What are you trying to say?
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: I have found that to be really useful when I'm
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: having conversations, particularly with people that may not be aligned
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: with me politically, you know, really getting down to what
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: is the substantive thing that you are trying to say.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: And if the answer is, well, I just.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: Don't like her because she's a black woman and I
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: don't like black women, then say that so we can
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: so we can you know, address that for.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: What it is.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Be loud about it, because you know you're already pretty
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: much saying.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: It right, like say it? What's your chest?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna say it right, like, just do it,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: you're already doing it. It feels hypocritical for me to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: ask this, so I apologize from the jump, But as
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: non black women and for our male identifying listeners, what
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: can we do to make sure because we know, we
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: already know black women are stressed the out But the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: fact of the matter is with this is going to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: come on to so many more attacks is visceral. We
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, We know it, and it's
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: going to be harmful. And it's going to be gross.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: And not only should we do all the things that
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: you told us to do, but what can we do
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: to ease the load a but help fight for y'all?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: In general?
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: I love this question.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: I would say, first of all, it's probably a tall order,
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: but I would love to see a shift where we
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: understand that this spite is all of our fight, like
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: we are the you know, the more marginalized you are,
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: the more you are a target. But this kind of
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: thing really harms us all, and so I think seeing
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: this work as all of our work to create a
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: healthy democracy is really key. And so these kinds of attacks,
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: they don't just hurt the women that are subjected to them,
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: they really have a meaningful impact on the health and
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: well being of our democracy because we can't have a
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: fully functioning representative democracy if everybody is not able to
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: use their voice, if everybody is not able to participate,
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: and so step one of that really comes with having
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: a healthy media ecosystem and a healthy climate for everybody
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: to be able to participate. And so I would say,
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: really working to see these attacks on marginalized people as
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: all of our fight, because all of us are invested
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: in having a healthy democracy, whether you are a man,
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: a woman, black, white, like, it is all of our fight.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: And so really being able to.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: See this as something that you're meaningfully invested in, not
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: just because it's the right thing to do, which it is,
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: but because we all deserve to have a functioning democracy.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love it, well said as always, bridget any
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: other resources you want to shout out any final thoughts.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: I have to just again shout out the work of
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: Cisti Scotus. They have been really doing a lot of
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: the work of building this infrastructure to hold Biden accountable
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: for this campaign promise that he made. So their website
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: is awesome, The women who run it are awesome, so
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: definitely check them out. You can check out Ultra Violet's work.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: You know, we are doing a lot of the work
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: of trying to inoculate folks against disinformation and like help
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: people spot it when they see it and identify it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: So can check us out at we are ultraviolet dot org.
• 48:44
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• 48:47
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• 48:49
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