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Gordie Chiesa Hour on the NBA Finals, Knicks historic comeback in game 4, Are the Spurs done (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: He's out.
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Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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Speaker 2: the day, My list today, here's Oh See with basketball
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Speaker 2: saban Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell show.
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Speaker 3: All right, Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 4: Welcome in our good friend, Gordy Chiasa, resident NBA guru,
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Speaker 4: New Yorker and a man who's watched plenty of New
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Speaker 4: York Knicks basketball, plenty of NBA basketball, but even he
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Speaker 4: has never seen something like we saw last night in
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Speaker 4: an NBA Finals game, the largest comeback in NBA Finals history,
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Speaker 4: complete by the New York Knicks as they go up
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Speaker 4: three to one over the San Antonio Spurs in this
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Speaker 4: NBA Finals series.
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Speaker 3: Gordy, welcome, how are you, sir?
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Speaker 1: I am doing well? And last night's game for all
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Speaker 1: the basketball fans and just generally speaking, any fan of sports,
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Speaker 1: it was an epic one for the ages of how
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Speaker 1: the Knicks came back in that game, or how the
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Speaker 1: Spurs collapse. It was both and now admit it's so
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Speaker 1: interesting the dynamics of it. I'll quote right now showan
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Speaker 1: A Tale of Two Cities by charl Dickens. For the Spurs,
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Speaker 1: it was the best of times in the first half.
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Speaker 1: It was the worst of times in the second half,
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Speaker 1: for sure. And you know, Sean, you and I, we
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Speaker 1: both love Charles Dickens.
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Speaker 4: Sure, yes, classic literature is a great thing, all right, Gordy.
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Speaker 4: So I want to like just kind of let you
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Speaker 4: give us your evaluations of how everything happened. I just
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Speaker 4: spent twenty five minutes ranting about my thoughts on it,
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Speaker 4: and you have obviously a much better perspective and much.
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Speaker 3: More informed eye on all these things. So what happened?
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Speaker 3: How did this happen?
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Speaker 1: Well, what happened was that simply is that that at
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Speaker 1: halftime the Spurs were making all these incredible shots. In
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Speaker 1: the first half, they relied on the three point shooting
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Speaker 1: and it was going in. So that's the positive for
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Speaker 1: the Spurs. The nickelbackers couldn't make a shot. They were
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Speaker 1: they fouled way too much in the first half and
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Speaker 1: they were letting, letting the Spurs affect them mentally by
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Speaker 1: their physicality, and then the second half it was direct
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Speaker 1: opposite where at halftime they were grouped mentally. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: anything they did differently, but mentally, these nicobockers they were there. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: they got themselves ready mentally to play and then they
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Speaker 1: just kept on chipping away on it. The Knicks outscored
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Speaker 1: the Spurs fifty eight to thirty in the second half,
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't one thing, it was everything. How they
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Speaker 1: just kept on playing better defense, shot selection to the
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Speaker 1: advantageous of it, and with the Spurs did incorrectly. They
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Speaker 1: were arrogant. They kept on shooting three point shots and
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Speaker 1: there wasn't going in. In the second half, the Spurs
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Speaker 1: shot three for seventeen from threes. But worse than that,
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Speaker 1: it's how they did it where they just came down.
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Speaker 1: They didn't run any offense at all. They just decided
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Speaker 1: to at the ball, to go one on one and
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Speaker 1: shoot at ilevis shot and it was very much the
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Speaker 1: three point component of it, or they were missing at
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Speaker 1: the rim. And that's what happened during the game that
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Speaker 1: the switch switch. The switch was turned on and off
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Speaker 1: by the Spurs and Nicks took advantage of it. It
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Speaker 1: was absolutely a great comeback by the Knicks, and it
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Speaker 1: was led by Jellen Brunson's brilliance, how he kept on
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Speaker 1: driving the ball to the basket and make him play
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Speaker 1: and vastly underrated og N Andobi had a tremendous all
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Speaker 1: around game. He was making his corner threes off rhythm.
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Speaker 1: And they're just generally speaking that the Knickerbockers were making
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Speaker 1: better choices of shots and their defense picked up dramatically,
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Speaker 1: and that's what happened.
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Speaker 4: So what do you do when you're up twenty nine
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Speaker 4: and then you start taking similar advised threes right and
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Speaker 4: you're missing them. You shoot seven threes in a row
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Speaker 4: up twenty plus points or something like that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and you're not making them.
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Speaker 4: You're not extending your lead with these things, but you're
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Speaker 4: still at that point, you're still holding on to a
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Speaker 4: pretty comfortable lead. From a coaching perspective, from a bench perspective,
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Speaker 4: maybe from a player leadership perspective, what is the correct
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Speaker 4: reaction to it? Obviously we have the benefit of hindsight
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Speaker 4: now to say, oh, you can't allow that stretch to continue.
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Speaker 4: You got to call a time out, you got to
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Speaker 4: take it vantage of a TV timeout and say hey,
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Speaker 4: I need an inside shot, I need a mid range shot.
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Speaker 4: Don't take another three for a couple more possessions. But
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Speaker 4: it's not that simple. So what do you do? Mitch
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Speaker 4: Johnson is a young coach. He's a great coach, but
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Speaker 4: he's a young coach. He's got a young team that
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Speaker 4: keeps making this mistake as the league gets whittled away.
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Speaker 4: What is the correct way to interrupt that momentum for
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Speaker 4: the Knicks.
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Speaker 1: As a group. Drive the ball into the pain. In
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Speaker 1: other words, that balls should touch the pain. So whether
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Speaker 1: it's either a direct post up inside or a mid
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Speaker 1: post up or penetrating, what you do is that you
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Speaker 1: slow the game down when the other team's accelerating by
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Speaker 1: scoring momentum. The opposite side should be you slow the
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Speaker 1: game down, that you play half court defense, meaning the spurs,
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Speaker 1: and when you come down the floor, you get everybody
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Speaker 1: organized and you run some sort of either set play
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Speaker 1: or concept game. So it could be some sort of
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Speaker 1: screening action besides pick and roll. Remember now can roll
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Speaker 1: a ball. Screen offense shouldn't be your only offense. It's
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Speaker 1: part of an offense. What they wanted to do a
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Speaker 1: dribble handoff action. What you want to do is what
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Speaker 1: try to get the best shot available. So, in other words,
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Speaker 1: during that game, there was very little white screening action
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Speaker 1: we call it where a good shooter comes off a
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Speaker 1: screen looking for what a catch and shoot, jump shot
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Speaker 1: or catch and go drive. It was all white just
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Speaker 1: passing the ball around perimeter, and everybody took it at
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Speaker 1: any choice. They took a three point shot. And really
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Speaker 1: basically it was the arrogance of the Spurs that helped
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Speaker 1: the next come alive in that game. In other words,
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Speaker 1: where they kept on just playing perimeter. There was no
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Speaker 1: inside game. It was only perimeter. Every once in a
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Speaker 1: while when I would roll to the basket and get
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Speaker 1: there was a mismatch as far as airborne and he
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Speaker 1: was able to either catch a lob or get fouled
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Speaker 1: in a lop pass. But generally speaking it was the
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Speaker 1: Spurs played right into Nickerbocker's hands. Remember to have the
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Speaker 1: start of the fourth quarter, the Spurs are up fifteen points,
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Speaker 1: up fifteen. Yeah, it was up fifteen, So it wasn't
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Speaker 1: like so it was more the Spurs allowed the Knicks
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Speaker 1: to come back in that game really by simply shot
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Speaker 1: selection so shot selection in the second half was the
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Speaker 1: storyline for the Spurs. Then the Knick storyline was what
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Speaker 1: chip away at It makes shots at a team rhythm
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Speaker 1: and just will be more physical without dramatically fouling.
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Speaker 4: Josh Hart had a a missed I thought it was
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Speaker 4: going to be a dunk attempt.
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Speaker 3: Instead he tries to lay it in. He misses it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right in between like dunk or laying Yeah.
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Speaker 4: The uh I think he was he was anticipating contact
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Speaker 4: from the trailing defender and so he wasn't focused on
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Speaker 4: the shot.
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Speaker 3: But how did you view that play?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Same thing. Also exactly right is that in between
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Speaker 1: dunking the ball went in doubt. I always talk about
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Speaker 1: it lay the ball off the glass. And the reason
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Speaker 1: why is that also eventually the trailing defender he might
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Speaker 1: try to goaltend it. Sure, yeah, it could be if
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Speaker 1: you want to laid up or off the glass old
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Speaker 1: school just laid up. Speaking of choices we left out
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Speaker 1: also purposely until right now is that Darn Fox made
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Speaker 1: a critical mistakes, but one in particular when they played
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Speaker 1: good defense the Spurs and the ball came out and
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Speaker 1: the outlet pass to Darn Fox and he came down.
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Speaker 1: What he should have done was wht run the clock out,
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Speaker 1: run it out. Don't take that lage because it was
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Speaker 1: a challenging shot. What you want to do is maybe
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Speaker 1: attack the paint and then make it. We call it
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Speaker 1: a white out dribble, where you go into the painted area.
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Speaker 1: Do not take the shot because at that time the
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Speaker 1: clock is on your side versus another basket. And what
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Speaker 1: he did he tried to watch make a basket and
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Speaker 1: he missed it, and that absolutely gave the gave you
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Speaker 1: one more shot at it. I mean, as far as
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Speaker 1: the knickerbockers to come down on it at that time,
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Speaker 1: go into the paint, bring it back out, make him failure.
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Speaker 3: At that point, you have about ten seconds left in
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Speaker 3: the game.
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Speaker 4: Yes, he decides immediately to get possession of that ball,
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Speaker 4: try to lay it up to give them a three
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Speaker 4: point lead. He explained after the game that that was
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Speaker 4: his thought process, that's what he was trying to do.
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Speaker 4: But I mean, depending on how quick thinking the Knicks
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Speaker 4: are in that situation and how good your evasive dribbling is,
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Speaker 4: you could chew up another three four seconds off the
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Speaker 4: clock potentially if you do what you just instructed. If
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Speaker 4: you do you know, you collect that ball, you're in
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Speaker 4: the paint. Now you dribble that thing all the way.
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Speaker 4: You can go all the way out to half court,
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Speaker 4: run away from him, well very much, and then he doesn't.
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Speaker 3: So the Knicks get the next possession.
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Speaker 4: And that is where the long brunts and three turned
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Speaker 4: into the og Annobi tippin.
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Speaker 1: Correct. Absolutely, And also the next part about that was
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Speaker 1: when they called time out the Knickerbockers. All right, So
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Speaker 1: the spurs the right thing that Jealen Brunson is a
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Speaker 1: tremendous clutch player this year and as far as regular season,
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Speaker 1: the clutch player went to Shajes Alexander. The year before
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, it was Jellen Brunson. All right, So
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Speaker 1: now just think about this dynamics right now. And this
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Speaker 1: is not like a hindsight after the fact. I was
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Speaker 1: talking about this to myself during the game. During the
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Speaker 1: last play of the game defensively was that you do
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Speaker 1: not waste Victor Rambiamba on outsides. In other words, they
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Speaker 1: had a shadow trap on Jealen Brunson. So the ball
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Speaker 1: came in and was being guarded by Darren Fox, beating
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Speaker 1: Brunson and Victor, who wasn't guarding the inbound passer. He
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Speaker 1: went to that double team we called shadow shadow trap,
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Speaker 1: and he switched on it. And now he was the
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Speaker 1: primary defender on Brunson's long missed high arcing three fox
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Speaker 1: who was guarding initially Jellen Brunson. Once they made that,
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Speaker 1: we call it peel out. Where now it's the Victor
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Speaker 1: guarding it is that he should have got back into
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Speaker 1: play and came into the panted area and put a
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Speaker 1: body on the inbound passer, which was ohg and Andnobi.
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Speaker 1: And Anobi made a great play. He went right, perfect
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Speaker 1: timing free run to the basket and he made an
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Speaker 1: unbelievable tip shot that will go down as far as
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Speaker 1: one of the most important tip shots in the history
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Speaker 1: of the game, as far as the magnitude of it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that Dylan Harper was everyone was watching the ball. I'm
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Speaker 1: saying that Victor should be in the lane right now,
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Speaker 1: should be should have been Victor in the lane because
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Speaker 1: you know what happened that will never happen right now
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Speaker 1: if was in the lane.
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Speaker 4: For sure, he just takes up too much range and
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Speaker 4: the like you fowl going through him.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and so they in the Spurs mistake
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Speaker 1: was if you want to shadow great shadow trap, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't the trap. It was more of a double team.
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Speaker 1: Don't switch on again, keep small on small and keep
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Speaker 1: big on big in the lane. I'm simplifying it, but
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Speaker 1: that's what happened. And and lg Annobi, who's a tremendous
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Speaker 1: two way player, he flew in there with a free run,
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Speaker 1: perfect timing. The world was absolutely him was perfect, and
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Speaker 1: he was able to w get that tip on it
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Speaker 1: right now, and that's what absolutely critical on it, and
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Speaker 1: that less part of it. Even one put one point.
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Speaker 1: So now the Spurs called time out with one point
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Speaker 1: two seconds. Cassa got a good look and the defense
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Speaker 1: gotta got a tip ball on it and that helped tremendously.
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Speaker 1: So it was really it was a it was a
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Speaker 1: perfect world for the Nickerbockers, and it was devastating. It
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Speaker 1: was an all time collapsed by the Spurs. And now
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Speaker 1: they go back to Game five on Saturday night. We're
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Speaker 1: going to see what's what the Spurs are made?
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Speaker 4: All right, We're gonna stay on clock here, We'll take
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Speaker 4: a break. Gordy's with us for the next forty five
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Speaker 4: minutes or so. We're going to do our best to
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Speaker 4: get as much information as we can out of him
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Speaker 4: evaluating this incredible game last night, and more importantly, especially
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Speaker 4: for the Spurs, where the series goes from Here, Gordia
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Shan O'Connell Show. Gordia jays here
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Speaker 3: in studio.
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Speaker 4: With us reacting to an epic comeback by the New
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Speaker 4: York Knicks to take Game four at the Garden.
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Speaker 3: They are up three to one in the series.
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Speaker 4: You can listen to Game five right here year on
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Speaker 4: Saturday at five thirty pm.
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Speaker 1: And Sean, you know if you played the song the
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Speaker 1: intro right now was Crazy by Noels Barkley and the
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Speaker 1: reason why I selected that James and I because last
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Speaker 1: night was crazy.
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Speaker 3: It was absolutely crazy.
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Speaker 1: And Sean, I said to my I'm a New Yorker,
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Speaker 1: so I have so many like bizarre Nick fans texted
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Speaker 1: me during the game. It was like outrageous, Like I
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Speaker 1: spent more time trying to look at my text and
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Speaker 1: watching the game. And it's part of it, not totally,
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Speaker 1: but part of it all right. And so I said
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Speaker 1: after the game though, I said, does anybody we know
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Speaker 1: owns a pizza joint by the Garden because right now
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Speaker 1: after that love fest where the Nick fans left, the
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Speaker 1: place that around the Garden, then that was say it
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Speaker 1: just a two block radius that those pizza joints and
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Speaker 1: restaurants and bars made one hundred thousand dollars in profit
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Speaker 1: in the first hour, no doubt sean one hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: in profit. Then this is unscientific by yours truly, But
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. The pizza joint, they couldn't make
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Speaker 1: enough pizza for the fans leaving.
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Speaker 4: I can't imagine the bedlamon the you know, they had
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Speaker 4: the watch party out on the Plaza Madison Square that
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Speaker 4: that part of Manhattan. Yeah, absolutely bananas with foot traffic
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Speaker 4: and all that stuff, no matter what. And I'm you know,
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking of my own experiences there the New Yorker Hotel,
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Speaker 4: right kitty corner, right across.
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Speaker 1: The street, right across the street street.
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Speaker 4: The TikTok diner down there in the lobby, absolutely open
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Speaker 4: twenty four hours, just a milkshake to celebrate. I mean,
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Speaker 4: come on, it must have been incredible right there for
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Speaker 4: all the New Yorkers, and not so much for any
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Speaker 4: San Antonio fan. Also not great for Victor winmbinam, but
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Speaker 4: he got an egg thrown at him and as he
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Speaker 4: was walking back into the hotel.
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Speaker 3: Come on, New Yorkers, you.
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Speaker 4: Got your win. You got the best comeback in NBA
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Speaker 4: Finals history. You don't have to rub it in with
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Speaker 4: throwing eggs. Series is far from over, and there there
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Speaker 4: are people by the way flying from New York to
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Speaker 4: San Antonio for Saturday's game because they think that's where
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Speaker 4: they're going to close it out. I think that we're
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Speaker 4: going to get San Antonio win in Game five. But
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Speaker 4: we'll get to more of that. I want to focus on,
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Speaker 4: you know, Okay, so ogn and ob being given a
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Speaker 4: ton of credit for what he did in that entire game,
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Speaker 4: the epic tip in on a Jalen Brunson miss to
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Speaker 4: give the Knicks the lead with one point two seconds,
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Speaker 4: and then san Antonio's got an inbound play.
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Speaker 3: They've got one point two seconds.
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Speaker 4: Now it's it's not exactly enough time to get the
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Speaker 4: perfect shot or the exact set that you're looking for, Gordy.
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Speaker 4: But what ended up happening was kind of a lobbed
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Speaker 4: inbound that was never truly handled, never truly possessed, and
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Speaker 4: then they ran out of time. What would what were
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Speaker 4: your thoughts on that inbound play in that final sequence
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Speaker 4: for san Antonio, because one point two seconds is enough
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Speaker 4: time to get a shot to win.
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Speaker 1: Oh very much. Yeah, with one point two seconds, the
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Speaker 1: decision is you have to you can catch it and
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Speaker 1: gather yourself. So Stephan castled with the guy and uh
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Speaker 1: he's rugged. No, they ran, they ran the screening action,
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Speaker 1: uh the NIXT To their credit, they kept Big on Big,
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Speaker 1: you know, they didn't they didn't switch with Wemby. So
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Speaker 1: they kept Calthony Towns, I mean Mitchell Robinson on on
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Speaker 1: Wemby and so Castle got the ball. It was a
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Speaker 1: bang bang play almost went in. It almost went in.
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Speaker 1: Almost and it missed. And uh now it's a game
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Speaker 1: game five in in uh in San Antonio. So in
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Speaker 1: a game like this, Sean, there's so much you have
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Speaker 1: to be able to score through physicality. And that's what
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Speaker 1: the Knicks did to come back on it and castle
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Speaker 1: the less play. I tried to do it. We just
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Speaker 1: couldn't finish it.
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Speaker 3: Are you are you cool with being the play with
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Speaker 3: that Stefan?
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's twenty one years old, he's a great player,
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Speaker 4: but that that he's the guy you go to. The
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Speaker 4: obvious thing is like you're going to try to get
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Speaker 4: the ball into Wemby. New York knows that. That's why
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Speaker 4: they stayed big on big, big on big, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 4: But is is that you know as you're as you're
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Speaker 4: trying to figure that out in real time when you
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Speaker 4: have just a scant few seconds to try to draw
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Speaker 4: this thing up and try to tell your guys what
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Speaker 4: to run and what to do. Are you are you
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Speaker 4: going back to the film session, if you're San Antonio,
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Speaker 4: if you're someone on that staff, if someone on that roster,
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Speaker 4: and you're going, yeah, that's we got it. That was
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Speaker 4: that was the right play for us to call there.
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Speaker 4: It just didn't work out. Yeah, it was the right play.
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Speaker 1: Good. Also, they got the ball to a good foul shooter.
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Speaker 1: The word just say they did foul hypothetically on either
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Speaker 1: the catch or on this shot. Is that Castle made
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Speaker 1: two clutch three throws with nine point seven second seconds left.
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Speaker 1: And now that so and he's rugged. Also unfortunately that
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Speaker 1: split second he just didn't finish, and that that made
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Speaker 1: it into uh, into now a game five that I
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Speaker 1: look at this staring at three to one, and let's
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Speaker 1: get back to uh. Let's go forward for a second.
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Speaker 1: So game five in San Antonio, you expect the Spurs
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Speaker 1: to win, you mentioned a few seconds ago, and so
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Speaker 1: do I, and that that it's possible still that it
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Speaker 1: comes to game six in the Garden. The most recent
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Speaker 1: time a team that was down three to one over
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Speaker 1: came it with the twenty twenty one Bucks versus the Sons,
19:31
Speaker 1: and also the twenty sixteen Cavaliers over the Warriors, where
19:36
Speaker 1: the epic comeback led by victorscreen led by your Lebron
19:39
Speaker 1: James and also by Matthew Delladover showing the last time
19:43
Speaker 1: you mentioned matthe Delldover talking about that Saint Mary's Gales
19:47
Speaker 1: of uh Bgana pul California. But that was that was it.
19:50
Speaker 1: Remember Matt Deldover played great and that's in the end
19:54
Speaker 1: in game seven, and also so and so did Kyrie
19:58
Speaker 1: and so did Lebron James. And that's how long ago
20:00
Speaker 1: was It was twenty sixteen. So it does happen, but
20:05
Speaker 1: not that often. It's only been five times in the
20:08
Speaker 1: history of the NBA Finals that a team has come
20:10
Speaker 1: back from three to one to be champions.
20:14
Speaker 4: So focusing on that, and because you brought up Matthew Delavadova,
20:17
Speaker 4: so let's say that San Antonio will start with game
20:21
Speaker 4: game five. All Right, You've got victim women Yama, who's
20:26
Speaker 4: got to play well, You've got your your sort of
20:30
Speaker 4: cast of characters that you rely on consistently every game.
20:34
Speaker 4: Who is the role player, who's the equivalent of a
20:36
Speaker 4: Matthew Delavadova that's going to have to step up before
20:39
Speaker 4: this San Antonio Spurs team be a difference maker, maybe
20:42
Speaker 4: an unexpected difference maker, in order to allow them to
20:46
Speaker 4: have hope for a three to one comeback.
20:48
Speaker 1: Keldon Johnson, he was a sixth Man of the Year
20:51
Speaker 1: voted and he's been invisible in the whole series. Yeah,
20:54
Speaker 1: and so he has to get himself going, and no worries.
20:57
Speaker 1: When you're a specialist as far as a shooter, they're
21:00
Speaker 1: not gonna leave you, all right. So the way you
21:02
Speaker 1: try to get points for yourself until the rhythm of
21:05
Speaker 1: the game is run the floor, offensive rebounds, stick back, hustle,
21:10
Speaker 1: plays a broken back, broken play baskets, and so Kelvin
21:14
Speaker 1: Johnson has got to give them more. And last night's game,
21:21
Speaker 1: it was last night's game was illustration of it where
21:24
Speaker 1: he was invisible. And that's why it's so important that
21:28
Speaker 1: your role players absolutely play play well. So in the
21:32
Speaker 1: nicoboc upon of view last night it was a Jose Alvarado.
21:36
Speaker 1: He played great for the Knicks. He gave a big
21:39
Speaker 1: lift and that helped them as far as them and
21:41
Speaker 1: member as far as to come back. And that allowed
21:43
Speaker 1: Jyleen Brunson to play sometimes off the ball, almost like
21:47
Speaker 1: as a two guard and took away some of the
21:51
Speaker 1: mental health break that you need as far as the score.
21:53
Speaker 1: So in game five in San Antonio, it's got to
21:57
Speaker 1: be it's got to be Kelvin Kelvin Johnson. And also
22:01
Speaker 1: it could be also it could be also Julius Champetti.
22:05
Speaker 1: They need those guys to score baskets and if a
22:07
Speaker 1: one lane player would be Luke Cornett, and that's where
22:10
Speaker 1: those guys got to come alive for themselves, get themselves
22:14
Speaker 1: going matter Victor Wen Beyond. But let's not forget it's
22:16
Speaker 1: so hard. He's twenty two years old and he played
22:20
Speaker 1: forty four minutes last night and he had a hard
22:23
Speaker 1: time finishing. He shot nine for twenty five. But the
22:26
Speaker 1: worst part about it he was two for eight from threes.
22:29
Speaker 1: But it's one he took them. So now you've got
22:31
Speaker 1: to erase it. When you're a winning player like wein
22:35
Speaker 1: beyonda is you've got to play forward now. So even
22:38
Speaker 1: though this collapse, as a matter of fact, right now,
22:41
Speaker 1: if I am a Mitch Johnson, I'm not even showing
22:44
Speaker 1: the team the film, really, I'm not. No, I'm not.
22:47
Speaker 1: I'm not. They heard about it already so many times
22:50
Speaker 1: already from everyone else around them, that I'm not showing
22:53
Speaker 1: them the film, and that I'm going I'm getting I'm
22:55
Speaker 1: gonna show them why they're up. If I do show
22:57
Speaker 1: them the film, it's why they're up. In the first half,
23:00
Speaker 1: why they're up now versus why how they lost it?
23:03
Speaker 1: So from the mental part of it is so important.
23:05
Speaker 4: The player perspective, right, Your point is, well, mate, these
23:08
Speaker 4: guys know exactly what they did wrong. They're gonna be
23:10
Speaker 4: second guessing for the rest of their lives, you know.
23:13
Speaker 4: Dearon Fox is gonna have a hard time putting that
23:15
Speaker 4: out of his mind. And Victor Winminyama, like I said,
23:18
Speaker 4: is gonna have nightmares about those two miss free throws
23:21
Speaker 4: down the stretch. For Mitch Johnson, he didn't look overly
23:25
Speaker 4: composed as that lead was evaporating either, And he's he's
23:28
Speaker 4: a young coach that has a lot to learn, even
23:31
Speaker 4: though he knows more basketball than I ever will.
23:33
Speaker 3: Uh.
23:35
Speaker 4: You let the players keep the film out, put it
23:38
Speaker 4: out of their mind, move forward.
23:40
Speaker 3: As a coach, how much can you do that?
23:42
Speaker 2: Uh?
23:43
Speaker 3: The coaching staff they got to watch the film, they've
23:45
Speaker 3: got all.
23:46
Speaker 4: Sorry, But as a coach, you know, we always emphasize
23:49
Speaker 4: this with players, Gordon, just like, oh, you gotta have
23:51
Speaker 4: a short memory, you gotta forget what's the right way
23:54
Speaker 4: to be As a coach.
23:56
Speaker 1: You never forget. No, but you don't dress the team though. Yeah,
24:00
Speaker 1: but in the meeting, no, example, those guys watched that film,
24:04
Speaker 1: that painful film when they flew home to San Antonio.
24:09
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it was it was this morning. Is that
24:11
Speaker 1: they're watching that film and they are cringing thirty five
24:15
Speaker 1: thousand feet above sea level. They can't believe how what
24:19
Speaker 1: they did or what they didn't do. What they didn't
24:21
Speaker 1: do very simply was that again, you've got shot. There's
24:25
Speaker 1: that fine line between given the players freedom to shoot
24:29
Speaker 1: and being what arrogant about shot selection, and last night
24:33
Speaker 1: they crossed that line. The players did, so they're gonna
24:37
Speaker 1: probably adjust slightly some of their play calling and situational
24:43
Speaker 1: thing as far as either dribble handoff action and get
24:46
Speaker 1: them more into a mid range game. When you when
24:51
Speaker 1: you when the momentum is changing, you don't want to
24:54
Speaker 1: just keep firing three point shots. You want to get
24:59
Speaker 1: the ball to the players in rhythm at the best
25:02
Speaker 1: chance of getting a made basket or a foul, a
25:07
Speaker 1: two shot foul. And that's why it's so important. That
25:10
Speaker 1: fine line of showing confidence but not being momentum changes everything.
25:16
Speaker 1: And next to their credit, they just chipped away at it. Sean.
25:19
Speaker 1: It wasn't one thing they did. It was a whole
25:21
Speaker 1: bunch of things they did consistently in the fourth quarter,
25:24
Speaker 1: and there was a total collapse by the Spurs. And
25:28
Speaker 1: I'm saying to get mentally move on from if you're
25:32
Speaker 1: a player and get ready on Saturday night where you're
25:35
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna finish the.
25:36
Speaker 4: Game, all right, because I've been obsessed with this for
25:39
Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks. The get in price, James,
25:42
Speaker 4: I want James to guess. I want Gordy to guess
25:45
Speaker 4: a possible Game six at the Garden. You can buy
25:48
Speaker 4: tickets right now. Obviously, if the game doesn't happen, you'll
25:51
Speaker 4: be refunded. What do you think is the get in price?
25:54
Speaker 4: The cheapest ticket available right now for San Antonio Spurs
25:58
Speaker 4: at New York Knicks NBA Finals Game six Madison Square Garden,
26:03
Speaker 4: a potential close out game. James, you go first. What
26:07
Speaker 4: do you think the price? The minimum get in price
26:10
Speaker 4: for that game is ten thousand dollars. Okay, James says
26:14
Speaker 4: tenth that we're going prices right rules nine nine, going
26:18
Speaker 4: price is right rules. Whoever's closest without going over gets
26:24
Speaker 4: a ticket to Game six. That the Spence checkets is
26:27
Speaker 4: going to buy you a ticket. Okay, I'm going nine
26:30
Speaker 4: ninety nine. Okay, James says nine nine ninety nine dollars
26:34
Speaker 4: as the minimum get in price.
26:38
Speaker 3: Gordy, what say you.
26:40
Speaker 1: Show me one question? I know the gardens. As far
26:42
Speaker 1: as seating chart, you're talking about the Blues, the upper deck.
26:46
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the yes, the deck away upper deck.
26:49
Speaker 3: This is the farthest called the blues.
26:50
Speaker 1: They called the Blues.
26:51
Speaker 3: They're worse house. Okay, we're a seat in the house,
26:55
Speaker 3: but you're in the building.
26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in the building.
26:57
Speaker 4: It's by the way right now. It's section in four eighteen,
27:02
Speaker 4: which is it's way up in the corner.
27:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of behind the basket.
27:09
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna say six thousand, six hundred and sixty
27:16
Speaker 1: six dollars.
27:17
Speaker 4: Okay, James gets Spence has to buy James, it's twelve,
27:22
Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty eight dollars.
27:24
Speaker 3: No way, I thought ten was way too high.
27:26
Speaker 4: It's twelve grand plus including fees to get into Section
27:32
Speaker 4: four eighteen, row six up in the corner way back there,
27:38
Speaker 4: to get into the building for Game six. If you
27:42
Speaker 4: want to sit lower bowl, you're talking minimum price of
27:47
Speaker 4: twenty five grand.
27:48
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, So Spence is buying me tickets. That's the
27:51
Speaker 3: that's the price I should be.
27:53
Speaker 4: It should be clear Spence is not agreed to this,
27:55
Speaker 4: but he is. But I'm just going to put it
27:57
Speaker 4: out there on the show and he's listening, and he
28:00
Speaker 4: can dispute during crosstalk if he so point, yeah he could.
28:03
Speaker 3: If you know, speak now forever, hold your peace.
28:04
Speaker 4: If you don't want to buy James Peterson your boss,
28:07
Speaker 4: if you don't want to buy him a trip to
28:09
Speaker 4: Madison Square Garden. By the way, the hotel rooms right
28:12
Speaker 4: now in New York City are about fifteen hundred bucks
28:15
Speaker 4: a night because you've got the World Cup happening nearby,
28:19
Speaker 4: and of course you've got NBA Finals going on, and
28:22
Speaker 4: just summertime in New York people taking their trips to
28:24
Speaker 4: see New York City, the kids are off school.
28:27
Speaker 3: It's you're paying a premium, as they like to say.
28:30
Speaker 1: Yeah very much, and the only have the time. It's
28:32
Speaker 1: that expense. It would be during the United Nations Week
28:36
Speaker 1: that's when the end of September, where every diplomat in
28:39
Speaker 1: the world is in Midtown Manhattan, and the prices go
28:42
Speaker 1: up to literally two thousand dollars a night. On a
28:45
Speaker 1: cheap side, and half in New York is blocked out off.
28:48
Speaker 1: Cheats are blocked off because of their security is so tight.
28:51
Speaker 1: Of bull of diplomats. That's unit I always tell the people.
28:54
Speaker 1: Never go to New York City United Nations Week. Usually
28:59
Speaker 1: most times it's it's at the end of September.
29:01
Speaker 4: Usually speaking if you're looking to take out a mortgage
29:04
Speaker 4: on your house, the second mortgage to try to pay
29:07
Speaker 4: for some some front row, some Section five D row
29:13
Speaker 4: a about two hundred grand apiece.
29:15
Speaker 3: So so Sean, you want to be close to the action.
29:17
Speaker 4: You want to be rubbing elbows with Larry David and
29:20
Speaker 4: Adam Sandler and company.
29:22
Speaker 3: You know, a pair of tickets will cost you four
29:24
Speaker 3: hundred grand or so.
29:25
Speaker 1: But the problem with this whole thing is that, even
29:26
Speaker 1: though we're making light of it, is that it takes
29:30
Speaker 1: away so much of the fins, you know, as far
29:32
Speaker 1: as they can't afford the games. We were it's that
29:35
Speaker 1: fine line where what is the price point where people say,
29:40
Speaker 1: are you kidding me?
29:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were talking about this with the with the
29:44
Speaker 3: World Cup.
29:44
Speaker 4: As well, very much absolutely, And you know I'll look
29:48
Speaker 4: up during the break, I'll look up the get in
29:49
Speaker 4: price for the World Cup starts today. Yes, Mexico is
29:53
Speaker 4: playing a game in Mexico, So like, I don't know
29:57
Speaker 4: what to get in price, But is it.
29:59
Speaker 3: Accessible to the average sports fan in New York? New York?
30:04
Speaker 4: Is you know this way better than I have a will, Gordy.
30:07
Speaker 4: Your rent is already six grand a month for your
30:09
Speaker 4: one bedroom, two bedroom apartment. Right, everything costs so much money,
30:15
Speaker 4: Like groceries are more expensive. You probably don't have a car,
30:18
Speaker 4: but if you do, you got to pay to park it, insurance,
30:20
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. I mean, it's already prohibitively
30:24
Speaker 4: expensive just to live there, and then to be a
30:27
Speaker 4: New Yorker, who's let's be honest, most Knicks fans are
30:30
Speaker 4: New Yorkers. And then to try to get to this game,
30:33
Speaker 4: a potential closeout game, you kind of gotta be ridiculous
30:38
Speaker 4: with your spending here, and that's or you just can't
30:41
Speaker 4: do it. So it's tough. All right, we will, we'll
30:47
Speaker 4: have a lot more to talk about. The NBA Draft
30:49
Speaker 4: is coming. We're less than two weeks away. Now, there's
30:52
Speaker 4: some more conversations, some more rumor that Cam Boozer might
30:56
Speaker 4: be flirting up with that top one or two selection
31:00
Speaker 4: in the Utah Jazz obviously sitting.
31:01
Speaker 3: At number two.
31:02
Speaker 4: I think I think his agents are doing just a
31:05
Speaker 4: really good job right now of putting his name in
31:08
Speaker 4: a conversation that he doesn't actually belong in. But we'll
31:11
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Speaker 1: Last night's game was a lifetime adventure.
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Speaker 3: Unbelievable game.
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Speaker 4: Last night New York Knicks take a three to one
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Speaker 4: series advantage. San Antonio goes back to their home arena
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Speaker 4: not the only thing happening in the NBA world. We're
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Speaker 4: a couple of weeks away, less than that now from
32:59
Speaker 4: the coming NBA Draft. And to wet our whistle on
33:03
Speaker 4: some draft trivia, Gordon, you've got this is not the
33:07
Speaker 4: official list of the day, but this is a list
33:10
Speaker 4: of the top Utah basketball draft picks.
33:14
Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, we did last week BYU because aj
33:18
Speaker 1: de Bonso is going to be number one in the
33:20
Speaker 1: draft and shows alluding to before about about all the
33:24
Speaker 1: agents doing a lot of talking. It's all part of
33:26
Speaker 1: the gamanship by the agents. This list, this is a
33:28
Speaker 1: short list today as far as the segment give us
33:32
Speaker 1: utah players selected in the top ten of the NBA Draft,
33:37
Speaker 1: just the top ten as far as where you're selected,
33:40
Speaker 1: as far as one through ten, it's really a short list.
33:43
Speaker 1: It's a history of Utah Utes basketball and hopefully for
33:47
Speaker 1: the Utes they can get a player in this list
33:50
Speaker 1: very very shortly, all right, long time ago. Nineteen forty nine,
33:54
Speaker 1: Vern Gardner was picked number six in the draft. He
33:57
Speaker 1: had a three year NBA career. Billy de haill McGill,
34:01
Speaker 1: who was a tremendous player nineteen sixty two, was the
34:05
Speaker 1: first pick of the draft. Had a five year NBA Korea.
34:08
Speaker 1: And I remember Billy McGill when he played was that
34:11
Speaker 1: he had legendary fifteen foot running hook shot from the
34:14
Speaker 1: middle of the floor. It was legendary. Number eight. Jerry
34:18
Speaker 1: Chambers in nineteen sixty six was the seventh picket the draft.
34:22
Speaker 1: He had a six year NBA abakoreer. Number seven. Mike
34:27
Speaker 1: Sojourner in nineteen seventy four was the tenth picket the draft.
34:31
Speaker 1: Had a three year NBA caoreer number six. We all
34:35
Speaker 1: know him. He played for the Jazz. I coach him
34:37
Speaker 1: with the Jazz from nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety five.
34:41
Speaker 1: Tom Chambers in nineteen eighty one was the eighth Pickeatar draft.
34:45
Speaker 1: He had a sixteen year NBA Korea four time All Star.
34:49
Speaker 1: His teammate of the same year, Danny Varines, the pride
34:53
Speaker 1: of Skyline High School, in nineteen eighty one, was the
34:56
Speaker 1: fifth picket the draft. That year had a sevent year
34:59
Speaker 1: career Number four. Nineteen ninety seven, the second pick of
35:05
Speaker 1: the draft, Keith van Horn had a nine year NBA
35:08
Speaker 1: Korea Number three. One of the most underrated players in
35:13
Speaker 1: the history of NBA basketball, he was beloved by every
35:17
Speaker 1: Utes fan. He had this unbelievable winning game. Yes I'm
35:20
Speaker 1: talking about Andre Miller in nineteen ninety nine was the
35:24
Speaker 1: eighth pick of the draft. He had a brilliant seventeen
35:28
Speaker 1: seventeen year Korea. As we speak right now, he's the
35:31
Speaker 1: thirteenth all time leader and assist history of NBA basketball
35:36
Speaker 1: with eighty five twenty four dimes, number two of all
35:41
Speaker 1: for the Utah Utes. Andrew Bogan in two thousand and
35:48
Speaker 1: five was the first pick of the draft who had
35:51
Speaker 1: a tremendous fourteen year Korea, including a championship with the
35:57
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors. Back in two thousand and fifteen. In
36:00
Speaker 1: the most recent Utah Utes picked in the top ten
36:05
Speaker 1: was ten years ago. In twenty sixteen was Jaku Pertl
36:09
Speaker 1: who's from Austria. He was a ninth pick of the draft.
36:13
Speaker 1: He's had as we speak right now, he plays for
36:15
Speaker 1: the Toronto Raptors. He's had a ten year career. So Sewan,
36:19
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and five, Utes had a Bill
36:23
Speaker 1: get picked in the first pick of the draft in
36:25
Speaker 1: the NBA. Who's picked number one in the NFL draft?
36:28
Speaker 4: Well, Alex Smith was number one to the San Francisco
36:32
Speaker 4: forty nine ers. And it's the only time in history
36:35
Speaker 4: that the same school has produced number one in both drafts.
36:37
Speaker 1: That is absolutely correct and that's add to that. Also,
36:40
Speaker 1: remember Sewan, because you're a four nine a fan, and
36:43
Speaker 1: so am I that the first year with Alex Smith,
36:46
Speaker 1: he struggled as a rookie because the injuries, et cetera.
36:49
Speaker 1: The next year they had new coordinator, Norm Turner, and
36:53
Speaker 1: he what he bawled out, which shows you that again
36:56
Speaker 1: the power of coaching, and especially in football, well even
37:00
Speaker 1: in basketball, who's the offensive coordinator is so much if
37:04
Speaker 1: your system player how it plays out.
37:06
Speaker 4: Also at that point that the record has since been broken,
37:09
Speaker 4: but that Alex Smith's rookie year, he was sacked more
37:13
Speaker 4: than any quarterback had ever been sacked in.
37:14
Speaker 3: A single season.
37:16
Speaker 4: And then I think it was David Carr that ended
37:19
Speaker 4: up taking that record from him. But yeah, it was
37:22
Speaker 4: not an ideal start to Alex Smith's NFL career with
37:25
Speaker 4: the San Francisco forty nine ers. Eventually he did really
37:28
Speaker 4: great things with the Niners. I will forever die on
37:31
Speaker 4: the hill that the Niners should not have replaced Alex
37:35
Speaker 4: Smith with Colin Kaepernick, but they were enamored with Kaepernick's
37:38
Speaker 4: ability to move the ball with his legs, and obviously
37:42
Speaker 4: we know how all that ended up working out really
37:44
Speaker 4: for both guys. Alex Smith goes on to an incredible
37:48
Speaker 4: career with the Kansas City Chiefs and with the Redskins
37:53
Speaker 4: Slash Commanders and obviously was the comeback player of the
37:56
Speaker 4: Year after that gruesome leg injury and a great story
38:01
Speaker 4: on how his wife made the decision, Well, he was
38:04
Speaker 4: completely unconscious, Calmatos, his wife made the decision to save
38:08
Speaker 4: his leg and to make sure that he still had
38:10
Speaker 4: an opportunity to play.
38:12
Speaker 3: And now, by the way, Alex is an unbelievable analyst
38:15
Speaker 3: on the desk, so good stuff.
38:17
Speaker 1: It just shows you again the power of perseverance. And
38:22
Speaker 1: that's whether Alex Smith's career with the NFL or many
38:26
Speaker 1: other players. And for the listeners right now, the draft's
38:29
Speaker 1: going to be on June twenty third, and right now,
38:32
Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially the agents, they're doing all
38:35
Speaker 1: the talking on social media. If you notice, the team's
38:38
Speaker 1: never talk because you can't buy the rules, so the
38:40
Speaker 1: teams never say who they're going to draft. They do
38:44
Speaker 1: have a pressure release saying that they're working out so
38:46
Speaker 1: and so, and every team works out a whole bunch
38:48
Speaker 1: of players for the second round and also for the
38:52
Speaker 1: sumber League team and made possibly on two way contracts.
38:56
Speaker 1: And so where I see the draft right now, it's
38:59
Speaker 1: going to be a tremendous for the Jazz. It's gonna
39:04
Speaker 1: be I think it's gonna be number one aj Debontser
39:07
Speaker 1: number one, number two Darren Peterson, number three Cam Boozer,
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Speaker 1: and number four Caleb Wilson. That's why I believe, and
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Speaker 1: it all makes I think it makes sense for every
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Speaker 1: team as far as getting a major, unbelievable talented guy.
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Speaker 1: But also to fit, So this could be a draft
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Speaker 1: where the pieces do fit as far as the top
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Speaker 1: heavy part of it.
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Speaker 4: How much information has gleaned from these workouts, these invitations
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Speaker 4: guys coming in and doing things in front of the
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Speaker 4: coaching staff personally, because you know the Utah Jazz, it
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Speaker 4: seems like they're they're probably pretty set on where they're
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Speaker 4: gonna pick with that number two spot already, but they're
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Speaker 4: bringing in guys and they're working out different.
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Speaker 3: Guys, so uh, I know it.
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Speaker 4: You know, you go through these motions and you're establishing
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Speaker 4: relationships for later.
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Speaker 3: On and all these different reasons.
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Speaker 4: But how much information do you get out of these
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Speaker 4: final workouts that players are doing in front of teams.
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Speaker 1: Just partially in other words, where the coaching staff who
40:08
Speaker 1: watch these guys play many times as far as not
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Speaker 1: live but on film, they're getting a chance to talk
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Speaker 1: to them one on one and I call kick the
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Speaker 1: tires where in some of the shooting drills they'll see
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Speaker 1: the guys form, but the scouts are the ones at
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Speaker 1: the side basically absolutely because they've seen these guys play
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Speaker 1: on the personal side so many times before live and
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Speaker 1: so when you work guys out, it's more for possibly
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Speaker 1: during the draft, if suddenly someone comes available and there's
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Speaker 1: a trade opportunity, they might trade a future pick because
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Speaker 1: they like so and so in the draft, and they're
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Speaker 1: protecting themselves where we ready work them out and we
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Speaker 1: do like them in the second round or late first round,
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Speaker 1: and Jazz Basketball as we speak right now, and that
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Speaker 1: could change the draft is absolutely flu is that the
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Speaker 1: jes A picking number two and doing of any other
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Speaker 1: picks as we speak right now in the second round,
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Speaker 1: and that could absolutely change. Now, how do you buy
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Speaker 1: into the second round even the first round? Roughly speaking,
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Speaker 1: it costs two to three million dollars for the privilege
41:16
Speaker 1: to buy a pick in the second round, and to
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Speaker 1: buy a draft slot in the first round, it costs
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Speaker 1: roughly three to five million dollars to buy in. And
41:29
Speaker 1: some teams are willing to do that, and some some
41:32
Speaker 1: teams don't want to pick more than one guy or
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Speaker 1: the guy they wanted that was already taken, and now
41:37
Speaker 1: they're willing to get some assets as far as economically
41:42
Speaker 1: or future picks later on. So it's absolutely critical how
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Speaker 1: you again on the draft board. They've all these players
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Speaker 1: listed on the board, but they're also talking to teams
41:52
Speaker 1: about possibly trade. There's much more action the week before
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Speaker 1: the draft, so suddenly that Monday morning of draft week,
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Speaker 1: that's when everybody is getting serious sean about possibly would
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Speaker 1: you be interested in trading a draft slot for our guy?
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Speaker 1: Or even during the first round of the draft, they'll
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Speaker 1: be They'll be trading during that time and they'll be
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Speaker 1: announced in the second round.
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Speaker 4: How much do the players on the roster right now, Like,
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Speaker 4: I know their input is I'm sure welcomed conversationally, but
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Speaker 4: how much do they campaign for certain players? How much
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Speaker 4: do players, you know, try to stick their nose in
42:33
Speaker 4: the business of the personnel department when you're talking about drafting,
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Speaker 4: whether whether seriously or just saying like, hey, that's my guy,
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Speaker 4: he went to my school, we need to draft him.
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Speaker 3: How much of that goes on.
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Speaker 1: Nominal? Yeah, nominal, because they're not dealing objectively. They're viewing
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Speaker 1: the world only through their friendship with the player. And
42:52
Speaker 1: also the agent's involved a lot of times, Hey we're
42:55
Speaker 1: the exact same agent or agency and that he's he's
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Speaker 1: my guy, right, meaning he's we played together in college
43:03
Speaker 1: or au ball, or we play pickup games in Santa
43:06
Speaker 1: Monica or we pick up games at Chelsea Pier in
43:08
Speaker 1: New York City, and that's all part of it, but
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Speaker 1: it's really nominal. The people do this every single day.
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Speaker 1: They they know they have an idea and the intel
43:19
Speaker 1: intel is a factor. So right now, would say with
43:21
Speaker 1: Darren Peterson who's been missed some games with Kansy, missed
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Speaker 1: eleven games during the season, that the Jazz and all
43:28
Speaker 1: the other teams in the top part of the draft,
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Speaker 1: they did unbelievable intel about him. Of finding out what
43:34
Speaker 1: actually happened. They're calling everybody that knows the guy objectively
43:38
Speaker 1: of trying to get information and then put it together.
43:41
Speaker 1: Right now, it's a it's a it's being really being
43:43
Speaker 1: the show. It's being like a detective.
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Speaker 3: Do coaches have contact with agents ever?
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Speaker 1: Yes, However, the agents don't want to hear what the
43:56
Speaker 1: coaches say because the coaches, they're so purpose is to win.
44:01
Speaker 1: The agent's sole purpose is what get their client the
44:04
Speaker 1: most money in a winning environment. So there's two factors
44:07
Speaker 1: as far as not clashing. But they're not really meeting
44:11
Speaker 1: at a certain point. So the answer is, yes, they
44:14
Speaker 1: do talk to the agent phenominally, but it's it's it
44:20
Speaker 1: doesn't affect totally. What is happening that the people on
44:24
Speaker 1: the personal side, meaning management, they're talking to the agents
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Speaker 1: all time, and again, the agent's job is to get
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Speaker 1: the player the most money in the best playing environment.
44:33
Speaker 1: The management's job is to give the head coach a
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Speaker 1: chance with a winning roster. And then the coach is
44:40
Speaker 1: job is to one one win and two coaches guys up.
44:44
Speaker 1: So there's so many different dynamics and a thing called
44:47
Speaker 1: what the salary cap and the first apron the second
44:50
Speaker 1: apron as far as tax luxury affects everything. Also, as always,
44:57
Speaker 1: every coach wants the players get paid the most money
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Speaker 1: that they deserve. But by the way, let's win. And
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Speaker 1: that's that unbelievable invisible dialogue that goes on forever and
45:07
Speaker 1: every sport sean, like any business, what you want to
45:10
Speaker 1: do is get bang for your buck. I'm simplifying it,
45:13
Speaker 1: but that's what you want to do in any business.
45:15
Speaker 1: And that's what the NBA Draft is. And also come
45:19
Speaker 1: July first, showing a thing called free agency, and that
45:23
Speaker 1: also is such a factor. Right now, Hey, how much
45:26
Speaker 1: did the Jazz play Walker keste Walker Kesty restricted free agent.
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Speaker 1: He's good when he played five games last year. He's
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Speaker 1: part of the future. The Jazz drafted him, he's homegrown.
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Speaker 1: How much he gets paid, he wants to get paid
45:38
Speaker 1: minimum the SAX same contract, if not more than Yako
45:42
Speaker 1: Pardal mentioned earlier, who makes twenty seven point five million.
45:45
Speaker 1: And Isaiah Hartenstein who did a good job against Victor
45:49
Speaker 1: wen Biyamba when they the Spur. Excuse me, when the
45:53
Speaker 1: Thunder battle the Spurs, Hartenstein did a really good job
45:58
Speaker 1: as far as going body on body. He makes twenty
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Speaker 1: five twenty eight point five million. That's the That's what
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Speaker 1: Walker kets people saying. That's the minimum of what we
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Speaker 1: think are client's worth.
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Speaker 3: Gordy, what's your list today?
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Speaker 1: Okay? Last night, Sean jellen Brunson balls out thirty six points.
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Speaker 1: This list today is a short list of the most
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Speaker 1: career thirty plus point games in NBA Finals history Korea wise,
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Speaker 1: who are the most thirty point thirty point plus games?
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Speaker 1: Note his basket making fun foundations. One in playoff games,
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Speaker 1: you've got to score through defensive physicality. Two, you've got
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Speaker 1: to be a solo shot creator and finisher. Three in
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Speaker 1: clutch moments, you convert, you convert with you your go
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Speaker 1: to move in a game? What is your go to
46:50
Speaker 1: basket move in a game? In a playoff game, four,
46:53
Speaker 1: you've got exhibit being a tremendous foul shooter because you're
46:57
Speaker 1: gonna get fouled all the time, and you're a star player,
46:59
Speaker 1: And it sounds so simple and shown. This is what
47:02
Speaker 1: we talked about, you and I and James the last
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Speaker 1: few minutes. You've got to convert and make layups. The
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Speaker 1: ability to make a layup in a playoff game is
47:11
Speaker 1: absolutely critical. Here we go. These four players are all
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Speaker 1: tied with eight Korea thirty point final games. They are
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Speaker 1: George Miken, Hakeem Olajiwan, John Halchek, and Rick Barry did
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Speaker 1: it eight times, number tenth all time. Kevin Durant did
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Speaker 1: it nine times in the NBA Finals thirty points in
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Speaker 1: More number nine. Kobe Bryant did it thirteen times, number
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Speaker 1: seven tied. Bob Pettitt and Steph Curry did it fourteen
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Speaker 1: times in the finals thirty points some more games. Number
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Speaker 1: five all time tied. Speaking about signature moves and also
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Speaker 1: finishing layups, they are Kareem Abdul jabbar and and Shaquille O'Neal.
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Speaker 1: They did it sixteen times thirty point games and more.
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Speaker 1: Number four all time, elgend Bella did it nineteen times
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Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals. Number three he's a locomotive. He
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Speaker 1: plays for the LA Lakers. Lebron James scored thirty points
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Speaker 1: some more in the final games twenty two times. Number
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Speaker 1: two Michael Jordan did it twenty three times thirty point
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Speaker 1: games and more. And the number one player of all
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Speaker 1: times for the most ever thirty point games NBA Finals
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Speaker 1: history is Jerry West, he did thirty one times quickly.
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Speaker 1: In jazz basketball, Carl Malone did it three times thirty
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Speaker 1: point games for more in the NBA Finals back in
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven and ninety eight. And just for listening
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Speaker 1: before you get off the air right now today, Unfortunately
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Speaker 1: or fortunately if you're a Bulls fan, if you're a
48:54
Speaker 1: Jazz fan or your former jazz coach like myself. Twenty
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Speaker 1: nine years ago was the famous Michael Jordan flu game,
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Speaker 1: allegedly sean a flu game where Michael Jordan got a
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Speaker 1: bad dose of pizza, et cetera who had the flu,
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Speaker 1: but it didn't affect Michael Jordan because he played sensational.
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Speaker 1: We also the graphic of it with Scottie Pittpen's dragging
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Speaker 1: out Michael Jordan as far as back into the Hull
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Speaker 1: and the Flu Game, Michael Jordan scored forty four excuse me,
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Speaker 1: played forty four minutes. He scored thirty eight points, seven
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Speaker 1: rebounds and five assists, three steals and one block. And
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Speaker 1: the Jazz lost that game ninety to eighty eight in
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Speaker 1: the famous Flu game that was nineteen ninety seven. So
49:43
Speaker 1: you have the flu, you have the flu, your somewhat
49:47
Speaker 1: like Kevin Bacon. Seven degrees sixth year separation shown between
49:51
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon, the guy's the flu right now and Michael Jordan. Thus,
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Speaker 1: that's my list of today.
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Speaker 4: It's a bad anniversary for Utah Jazz fans.
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Speaker 3: And if a World Cup though, how about the World Cup?
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Speaker 4: World Cup starts today Mexico, South Africa, the first game.
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Speaker 3: By the way, I.
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Speaker 4: Looked for tickets for the game which starts in half
50:18
Speaker 4: an hour on the secondary market. Now I'm going to
50:21
Speaker 4: be incredibly impressed. And maybe in Mexico they've got, you know,
50:25
Speaker 4: a different website that they could.
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Speaker 3: Go to or whatever.
50:28
Speaker 4: If you go to like Sea geek stub Hub, any
50:31
Speaker 4: of those right now are traditional secondary markets. You cannot
50:35
Speaker 4: get tickets to this game. That impresses me. If there's
50:40
Speaker 4: truly no tickets available because the people that bought the
50:43
Speaker 4: tickets they're going. That's great because I mean, we'll talk,
50:50
Speaker 4: we'll look on Saturday and there'll be some San Antonio
50:54
Speaker 4: final knicks finals get like at tip off time, someone's
50:57
Speaker 4: going to be trying to offload their tickets for a profit.
50:59
Speaker 4: If they can't, they'll go. But it looks like there's
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Speaker 4: actually truly no tickets available for this Mexico South Africa game.
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Speaker 4: That's awesome because the Mexican fans are going to show
51:10
Speaker 4: up at support at the game is in Mexico City.
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Speaker 3: Do you have a pick for who's gonna win the
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Speaker 3: World Cup?
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Speaker 4: We're gonna do our picks here on the Sehot O'Connell show.
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Speaker 3: And it's relative.
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Speaker 4: It's uninformed soccer, Okay, we're picking based on a vague
51:28
Speaker 4: awareness of them being good soccer nations and maybe a
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Speaker 4: player or two that we're aware of.
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Speaker 3: But Gordy, who's gonna win this World Cup?
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Speaker 1: England?
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Speaker 3: All? Right?
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Speaker 1: Less ten to one was nineteen sixty six less ten
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Speaker 1: day one, So English, I'm taking England showing beatles back
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Speaker 1: in the sixties. You know mini skirts showing back in
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Speaker 1: the sixties in England. These are all things about it.
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Speaker 1: And I'm taking England for the first time since nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixty six.
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Speaker 4: You know what the English say what It's coming home.
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Speaker 4: That's what they say about the World Cup, That's what
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Speaker 4: they say about any coveted soccer trophy that they want
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Speaker 4: to win.
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Speaker 3: It's coming home, even.
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Speaker 4: Though it hasn't come home for a lifetime for most
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Speaker 4: of their soccer fans. That's the optimistic rallying cry for
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Speaker 4: the English. It's coming home. I've got a bunch of
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Speaker 4: English people on my social media because of the fight
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Speaker 4: world and all of them that's their thing right now.
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Speaker 3: It's coming home. Gordy says he believes.
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Speaker 1: I believe Sean He's coming home.
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Speaker 3: Gordy, you're the man. Thanks for coming in.
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Speaker 4: What a great thing to have an hour with you
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Speaker 4: today to recap that epic game last night at MSG.
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Speaker 1: Thanks showing peace out.
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Speaker 3: That's Gordy Chiasa