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Does a Poem Need Something to Say? with Matthew Buckley Smith (Part 2) | ep. 159

Apparently, we had more to say about having something to say! Matthew Buckley Smith returns for part two of our conversation about poetry, meaning, and his talk “The Teacup Stirs.” The 2025 Rattle Chapbook Prize winner reads from The Soft Black Stars, the conversation takes a few unexpected turns, and Katie somehow manages to sneak in a little Billy Collins.

At the table: Katie Dozier, Timothy Green, and Matthew Buckley Smith.

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