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SpaceX Starship update: Orbital Test Flight · Elon Musk Podcast

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to the show.
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I have with me, Neil Thorn today, and we're going to be
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talking about spacex's Starship and the latest news down at
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Starbase, Texas. How you doing today?
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Neal Goodwill? How are you?
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I am doing. Fantastic.
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So we had a static fire of 31 engines at Starbase recent good
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way of the Starship, I must have missed that.
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We stir seven prototype and I hope not so many things are
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happening. It's easy to miss.
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No, I definitely saw that. That was an incredible.
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So much fire. Yeah it's so much power so much
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fire that was supposed to be a 33 engine static fire, Elon Musk
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said that they didn't fire two of the engines for.
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We don't know, really know the reasons at this point.
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One of them shot down. Right?
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Right before they fired they shut that one down on purpose
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and then he said the other one just didn't fire at all.
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So there will be a an engine replacement at some point and
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maybe two Yeah. Possibly maybe more who knows
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like and if they shut the do you think they shut the one down on
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purpose to test to see what it would do?
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If there was a failure before the flight you think is just a
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test possibly or do you think that was something that they've
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done that already? I don't think they do, they
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would do that at McGregor. When they're testing the
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engines, they would figure out how to test that sort of stuff.
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I think that they shut it down because they recognize the
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problem with it. That's what I'm assuming to.
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Yeah, because there's been speculation that they did it on
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purpose because there was, they were doing a test and I want to
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get it out there, that there was a possibility, a slim
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possibility that was a chance, but more than likely they saw
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something wrong with it. And we're like, this is going to
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mess everything up. Shut it down before we do this
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static fire. Yeah.
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It could have been move automatically to it could have
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been a computer that shut it down.
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Yep. Which let's face it computers
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are going to be able to react much faster than humans that do
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a problem and have a set number of parameters that they'll
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operate under and there's no questioning.
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So my guess is that a computer shut it down Yeah, that's my
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assumption as well. We'll never know.
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It's a very good thing. Yeah.
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It's a very good thing. Very good.
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We don't want. Now between is I didn't squeal
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on asking him how many engines, he said that it's still had
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enough engines to make it to orbit.
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So I tweeted him. How many engines does it
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actually need to get to orbit, has not responded yet, so we'll
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see if that ever comes through. Yeah, and if they can make it
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with 31 engines, that's a fantastic thing because they're
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going to be trying to fly with 33 and if something does happen
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to go wrong during their first orbital flight test, it's all
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right they shut off an engine. Yeah, the static fire.
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We saw they said was about 50% little lesson maybe in 50
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percent power and they plan to launch at about 90% power.
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So if you lose three engine, this is ridiculous.
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Yeah, if you lose three engines, you go up to 92% power and they
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compensate. Yep.
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It's nice to have that ten percent Gap where you can go a
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little bit stronger on the ones that aren't that are running to
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compensate for the ones that don't.
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Yeah, it's a great Fail-Safe mechanism by SpaceX and their
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whole engineering team over there.
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They've thought of everything and they go to orbit all the
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time. That's the thing that people
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don't realize is that the Falcon 9 goes to orbit all the time in
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the Falcon heavy, which has just a few engines, less than the
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Starship goes to orbit. And so they know how to do it.
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And they know they know the parameters that they need to
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work under. Yeah.
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Of course, these are my new engines, Falcon 9 having nine
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engines. So 27, on three boosters, 33
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here. Yeah, just a few less.
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Just it's such a weird thing. Yeah.
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Just a few, it's amazing things talking about it.
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These engines being much more powerful, That's okay and and
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they're not tested as many times as the Falcon 9 engines as well,
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though, they do have a rigorous test schedule, Falcon, 9's been
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in operation for what 10 years or so, something like that.
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Well, but more than that, I think so.
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Yeah. So they know the Falcon 9's
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engines parameters, and these new ones, the Raptors, their
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other relatively new in the span of time, that SpaceX has been
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operating, for sure. Yeah.
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But tested but Test. Yeah, they know how to do this
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stuff. Yeah.
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Not tested in orbit yet so excited.
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Yeah. And when Shotwell greenshot well
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said they're going to do the static fire and then get ready
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for an orbital flight test. There's a bunch of stuff they
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have to do. And before that, of course and
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there are some, I think there's some only the engineers at
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SpaceX know about, but we can speculate about some of the
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things that will be going on and the future.
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And like the next couple weeks coming up to a possible orbital
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flight test in one of the spectacle you did.
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System. Yep.
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Are we love it? Yeah, the giant space X is had a
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whole bunch of whole bunch of Tanks delivered recently.
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So they're going to be boosting up, the Deluge system which is
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of course water that they spray underneath the rocket as it's
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being fired to reduce noise and as well as hopefully reduce a
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little bit of damage to the PAD as well.
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Yeah, and if you're not familiar, the smoke that you see
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coming from underneath a rocket that's not actually smoke,
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that's just vapor from the engines, hitting the water
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Deluge system, so the big plumes of smoke that are miles wide and
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huge. It's not smoke, it's vapor, it's
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just water hitting, super highly charged engines, and there's
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some burning going on as well, but definitely more the water
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vapor, but it also like Neil said it Ops vibrations as well,
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dampens the vibrations damson sound and since they do have
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people living nearby, they're like about a mile and a half of
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dampening. The sound in the vibrations is a
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really important thing, especially if you're going to
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have 90% engine thrust on takeoff.
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Because what we saw so far we saw some little bit of concrete,
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get destroyed from this one, but the concrete under the pad I've
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noticed in a few images from RGV aerial that there are.
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There's no damage to the pad underneath.
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If the Rapture engines, I was really surprised about or very
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minimal damage but I saw some like around it.
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Yeah, which is insane, but that there's damage around the pad
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with other concrete around the pad but not directly underneath
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which is crazy to think about for sure because the legs are
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definitely scorched. All they're charred yeah, it
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looks beautiful and I saw a picture today see Nunez posted a
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picture where it looks like to me.
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It looks like a pipe has been ruptured.
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Underneath the launch Mount as well.
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I don't know what could have done that.
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What it looks like it came from inside the pipe.
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Looks like it might be an over pressure inside the pipe or
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something. But anyway, easily replace its
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open me open. That's the beauty of this launch
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Mount. Is that everything's out there.
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It's a, it's easy to access easy to change and fix.
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Shouldn't be a problem and there's workers there. 24/7
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fixing these things. So probably next few days, we'll
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see somebody up there with a giant pipe.
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Yeah, I mean, it could be, it could be an illusion, may not be
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a ruptured pipe there, but it looks like it's ruptured to me.
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Yeah, that's um it looks it either looks like a rupture or
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it's some hold down points for it.
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Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely some
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damn it isn't and that is your expect that it looks so yeah.
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But every static fire, every launch attempt, they'll reduce
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all this problems because they'll figure out how to get
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around them. This should be good.
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Yeah, that's why it's a test vehicle.
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I like, that's what this whole thing is.
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It test is a test bed for future space flight because they're
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once they get down here, they're going to move everything over to
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Kennedy Space Center. And they'll have more launch
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attempts over there in the future.
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But right now, they're just very focused on its orbital flight
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test, which, like I said before, may happen.
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I don't know if it's going to happen, I don't know, Ilan said
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in March but Gwen Kate Marsh as well.
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There's Yeah, but all it always seems like whenever Ilan or
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somebody says, we're ready for March or we're ready to go.
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It seems like maybe not, but I don't know.
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I'm a little bit skeptical still of their timelines but once
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Gwynn said something I was like okay this is a possibility now
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because wins in charge when the church was she's in charge of
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Starbucks. Yes the one who knows what's
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going on? And she's doesn't have a track
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record of being Ahead of the game.
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She knows her dates are pretty set.
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Right. She did.
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It was just say it in a tweet. She said it had a conference
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with a bunch of other, very important space, flight and
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reporters, and other people in the industry.
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So I don't think she'd be blowing smoke at all.
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I think so it's also important to note that those comments were
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made before the static fire and who knows?
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If this radek fire brought something in the data that
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they're probably still analyzing brought something up that.
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It's going to change that. We haven't heard it, but it's
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possible that something changed. Yeah, it's a high possibility
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that we might not get a launch in March, but it's okay.
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April May June rolls around and we haven't had a launch yet.
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No, that's too light because they're learning every time they
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do. That's too far away.
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I don't want to wait that long. I don't want to wait either.
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I would love if we could get a March launch.
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That would be amazing. I would love it.
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But the if they do have to wait, if they do have to go through
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five or six more tests of the launch Mound or a static fires
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or something like that, just to get a perfect.
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That's completely. Okay in spacex's book to they
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can do they need to do what they need to do in order to have a
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very successful first flight and even Bill Nelson, who's the head
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of NASA said that it's great and the static fire was a success.
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So if you have somebody like Bill Nelson, in the mix saying
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that the SpaceX is doing the right thing, I think they're on
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the right course, and Bill Nelson sent out a tweet &,
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that's a pretty big deal for this guy.
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Yeah, for sure. And I think that it's important
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that this orbital flight works for SpaceX.
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I think that the more I that I live with this, the more I think
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about it, they want this thing to go across 100% flawlessly.
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They know how to get to orbit, they've been to orbit hundreds
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of times, so that's not the issue.
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This is not a new company trying to figure out orbital mechanics.
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This is an established company that has a new rocket.
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And they're going to do everything.
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They possibly can to get this thing up there.
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Successfully without any issues. I think that's the goal.
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And I think anything less than that.
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They're not going to be very happy with it.
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Obviously something happens. Then it happens.
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But I think that they're expecting this thing to work.
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Yeah, and then I think that Gwen's expecting the next flight
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to happen in two months. From that point, I think that
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they're probably expecting a very quick roll it.
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Like they've got Rockets backed up now, right?
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They've got 25. Sitting there ready to go?
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We've got 26 about start testing.
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I'm sure they've got pieces and parts of other Rockets sitting
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in the, in the build area to get going as well.
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And they're just sitting on them, they're not building them
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because there's nowhere to put them.
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So I think that there Ready to ramp up.
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They've got the booster nine ready to go.
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And yeah, I think that's I think they're ready to start this
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program in earnest. I think so too.
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And building the machine that builds the machine is the
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important part of the assembly line, that builds these Rockets.
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That's where they're at, right now.
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There are the testing is a huge undertaking, but everything that
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gets these Rockets to the test pad is way more important than
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the rocket themselves. Because once they get the
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manufacturing done properly, and they can roll these things out
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every few weeks, man. Gwynn said they want to do 100
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to 200 flights before they People in one of these things.
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That's right. So they only have a few years
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before Artemis 3. Yeah.
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And they also want. Yeah.
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They also want to meet those deadlines.
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So that's only like we're talking 50 flights a year.
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Yeah. Including this year.
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Yeah. Miss see, this rocket going up
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4.5 times a month. Yeah.
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If they need to make those deadlines, if they want to get
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100 flights before they put people, that's what they did
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with. They did that with Falcon.
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They sent cargo numerous times to the space station before they
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had a human. Rated capsule ready, then they
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had to do, they had to do test flights at the capsule.
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They had to do, test flights with people in them.
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So they sent Bob and Doug to the space station, Bob and Doug came
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back down successfully and then NASA was like all right Bri for
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those guys. Oh my God.
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Legends Legends. Like as any test pilot is really
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like unbelievable risk that they take every day.
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Yeah kissing their families. Goodbye in the morning and Who
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knows at that point, right? Like unbelievable unbelievable
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guys. Yeah Bob and Doug are Champs in
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my book. I yeah.
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So they're going to have to go through something like that to
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like they're gonna have to send some people to orbit and then
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which is it's a possibility that they send some test pilots.
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We don't know who to orbit quite yet, Jared.
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Isaacman maybe but more than likely somebody else, they'll
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pick somebody else because Jarrod has a whole future with
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SpaceX. That there they probably should
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be worried about because he has a bunch of missions, coming up.
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And then we have, what if they have to get 100 to 200, flights?
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Do they have enough? FAA are they cleared them for
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that many flights from Texas? I thought it was only five
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flights per, oh, they won't all go from Texas for sure.
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No, there's yeah. If they're probably 75%, build a
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tower, built there another Tower in Florida on 39a and then they
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also have pad. Don't quote me on this pad 40
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in, Cape where they're planning on probably building two more
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Towers. So they'll be able to fly from
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three different Towers in Florida before, you know, that
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is ridiculous. Yeah, yeah.
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So there's no guarantee they're going to do two towers at 40 but
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there's space for it. So quote-unquote space for it.
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Yeah, there's no reason why they couldn't.
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And they've got the. They've also got the tankers
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they were talking about as well. Not the tankers the oil
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platforms. They've been they've mothballed
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for now, but at some point, that could revisit that and have
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those floating launches as well, yeah, and the only problem that
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I can see from Kennedy Space Center is the other traffic
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because they are going to have to slot in times, in between
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other launches that are going on with either their own Falcon,
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9's, flying, or other things going to the space station or
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satellite launches or whatever else is it, Kennedy Space answer
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this question for me will Who else is launching right now?
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Well, when's the last time we launched though?
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How many contracts are they yeah?
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How many contracts to La have right now?
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Or is it all going to stay sex right now?
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Everything SpaceX. Yeah so these are the cheaper.
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Because of reusability 100%. I don't know that there's a lot
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of traffic down there, they have to worry about and they're going
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to be on the guys were talking about, right?
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They learn they own the pads that were talking about is
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building. These launch mounts are humble a
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launches from somewhere else and even so does that the hls?
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So yeah, and if they start moving, starlink launches to
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Starships, they will really need as many Falcon 9 launches from
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Kennedy Space Center, that just switch them over to a Starship.
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Yep. So do all the other nights.
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Yeah, exactly. And SpaceX is Starship, can hold
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a lot more than a June 9. As far as star links go.
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Absolutely will. They'll just continuously
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launch. Yeah.
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There's I just put the Falcon 9 inside of several fucking times
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inside of this and much smaller ones as possibility.
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Yeah, it's a possibility. That would be amazing.
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Wouldn't it may be their first test article inside of a
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Starship would be a falcon 9. The amazing fucking Luther.
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What with their boat 4 meters wide?
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Misaki-san. So, theoretically they made fit
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three at least, if not for, in the top, with some space then
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spent. Yeah, that would be a
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ridiculous. That would be obvious.
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That would be so funny. No, they wouldn't do that.
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It would be funny. I think that would be something
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that Elon would do is funny, goof gag kind of thing.
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Yeah, sorry launched a car. So, what's next step is.
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Yeah, exactly. Exactly, yeah.
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There's, there's just so much possibility, it Kennedy Space
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Center, and there's so much possibility.
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At Texas as well but of course like you were saying there's no
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real. There's no real flights coming
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out of Kennedy right now. Other than what I can see is I'm
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just looking at one now Taryn one from Cape Canaveral, there's
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Vandenberg SLC 40 Falcon 9. There's these are all Falcon 9's
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you have you while I Delta heavy a cape when as I see 737 that's
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in March. So yeah that's not gonna
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Nothing's Gonna Stop SpaceX. This is amazing know, they've
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proven, they can launch these things really quickly after each
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other, like, the last one was a record.
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Was it between the last two launches, like five days or
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something? If you only has something large,
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go ahead and launch. It will just set up tomorrow and
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set it up, and send it to space. The next day, these things are
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made for Rapid reuse ability, which has to equal rapid set up
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as well. They're one in the same, so I
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think that it's just a matter of saying, okay, we'll work around
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your schedule. Yeah, the only thing I can see
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here is Falcon, 9's and Falcon Heavies, and that couple of Ula,
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launches and Starliner. Star Liners in April but yes
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SpaceX was we spend the money and I'll start line is going to
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be great to that's gonna be a good one but that's it.
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Yeah SpaceX you're right. They have a monopoly.
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They have some artists here, come a monopoly for sure.
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Yeah. And you always got to start to
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figure out how to reuse some stuff.
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You know because they reuse something, you the way they're
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launching. Exactly whether launching right
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now is it's old technology. You can't get away with that
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anymore. The only reason that NASA can
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get away with it with the hls. Is that well there NASA?
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Yep. So exactly it.
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Sobbing program to needs to improve.
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Yeah, I agree. I agree and not just for the
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nose. I'll take it for 100 percent.
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Agree with that, 100% agree with that is moving forward.
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It's like people have likened it to Henry Ford when he built the
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first automobile in the assembly line and then everybody got a
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car. They took a little while for
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horses to go away. But then everybody had a car and
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then what do you do if you don't have Car anymore.
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That's like, where ula in the other people are at this point
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because they're just not that. They're old-school.
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Hear the horses of the spaceflight industry in Space X
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is the Henry. Ford in The Surety at this
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point. Yeah through I'm pits gone from
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again. Throw these launches.
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There's nothing. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
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It's ridiculous, pretty crazy. If you break down I haven't done
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this map. I don't have it in front of me,
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so don't ask for it, but if you break down the cost to get
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something to orbit through this, Fully reusable, 100%, reusable
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spacecraft. It's not outside.
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The realm of Realm of possibility that you and I could
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send something the space as far as Costco, right?
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It's still going to cost several tens of thousands of dollars,
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but it's not millions of dollars, that's for sure.
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If we want to send a brief case of our comic books up to space,
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we could probably do that for 20,000 30,000 dollars,
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something, and that's so accessible.
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Not that we want to do that or not that everybody in the world,
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should be able to do that. Because there's too much stuff
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up there, but it is, it's so cheap now or will be so cheap.
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Yeah, I'm just looking at if you want to send, let's say 10 kg to
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orbit to low earth orbit. It's about Point 3 mil to get up
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there on a ride. Share a small Sate Rideshare,
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but it says dedicated, how can our missions as low as 275?
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Yeah, out of Falcon died. 275 thousand dollars for a ride.
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Share for a falcon 9. Basically.
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Just raise some money somehow. If you have off and I'm talking
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about, I'm just talking boats Starship, which is good enough
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shape or it's going to be significant.
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Be lower. Yeah, obviously they have to
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fill it. There's gonna be so much room.
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Yeah, it's like sending a sending up a container ship
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across the ocean. You got to fill the container,
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they're not going to yet but I'm going to send a container ship
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with half the containers that are half full.
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That's not. It's not worth the money but if
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they could fill a Starship with cargo or satellites or whatever
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has to go up there, then yeah it just gets cheaper as more people
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add on to it. Yep. 252 Marshall.
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I think initially they'll do starlink just to mitigate risk
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for other people's payloads. Absolutely.
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But then other Pete wants other other space flight companies.
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See or satellite companies see that SpaceX can successfully
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launch star links. They're going to jump on board
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pretty soon thereafter and I think it's going to be a game
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changer for the spaceflight industry and there's gonna be so
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much money rolling in. That will fund at the Starship
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and the 500, whatever launches they're going to do every year.
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Yeah, knowing SpaceX. That's what's going to happen in
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the future. There's definitely people out
22:08
there with more imagination than I have.
22:11
Personally I wonder a question, how much we need to get into
22:16
space from a business standpoint?
22:18
Like how many satellites different people really need up
22:21
there? I want just Starship going to
22:22
actually take up there. Obviously starlings going to
22:25
fill any gaps that That don't have that where they don't have
22:28
cargo ride share programs and stuff like that, but beyond
22:32
that, certainly, the ISS or whatever its successor be is
22:36
will need cargo taken up when you go to the moon.
22:39
Will need cargo for that Mars after that, but I wonder how
22:42
many satellites are actually needed up there that will fill
22:45
the Starship up constant. Yeah, it says, we don't see ya.
22:52
We don't see constant flights of satellites every single day.
22:57
From Kennedy Space Center on a falcon 9.
22:59
It's once maybe twice a month, something like that, we're just
23:02
taking up a fraction of the weight.
23:04
So could you, it's what I think is happening at SpaceX is going
23:09
into business business with themselves here and they're
23:13
spending all the money building a Starship.
23:15
So they can build this darlink, the satellite program, the whole
23:18
thing and then they're going to IPO the star league program.
23:23
And make money hand over fist, which are linked.
23:25
So they can continue building Starships into starlink pays for
23:29
Starship, which pays for starlink, which B is right.
23:32
The pyramid scheme is very telling me Starships appear, I
23:35
think so. I think it's an MLM.
23:36
Yeah. Fixing a note.
23:40
Next thing, you know, Elon Musk can be knocking on the door with
23:42
Tupperware. Yeah.
23:44
And here we have a Tupperware party now.
23:49
It's it seems I mean business is Do that all the time though.
23:54
They've separate divisions that by other things from other
23:57
divisions and they treat them as two separate businesses but
23:59
they're basically in business with themselves.
24:03
So, it's much as I would love Tesla and SpaceX do that
24:07
already. They have Tesla parts and SpaceX
24:09
rockets for sure. Some actuators and some
24:11
batteries. And yeah, batteries actually a
24:13
somebody's worked against what's running the fins.
24:15
Their Tesla best, the actuators. And berries.
24:20
So, yeah, there's some gambling on some rockets that will be
24:23
taken care of with some Tesla Parts as well in the future.
24:26
Think that's what I read somewhere but I can't remember
24:28
exactly what. Yeah, I heard them changing over
24:30
from from the old system to Tesla Parts.
24:34
Yeah. From Hydraulics to actual
24:36
Motors. Yeah it's crazy.
24:39
Yeah. If they're if I can certainly
24:41
see something sorry Hiram. I was saying, if the company is
24:45
someone companies good at something just hire him to do it
24:47
if you Tesla's the best, edit higher Tesla, Exactly make
24:52
sense. But works there to work here?
24:55
Yep. No reason to reinvent anything.
24:58
Yeah. So, what's next then down at
25:00
Starbase we have a couple road closures that were canceled for
25:04
Monday and Tuesday of this week. Wednesday.
25:06
Looks like it's still on, but you said you mentioned ship. 26
25:11
is down there. Yeah, we've got actually 25 on
25:15
on one of the pads and one of the tests pads and ship 26,
25:17
right beside it. It's become whole home to see to
25:19
Starships down there now. But at one point, we were over
25:22
the moon to see two of them down there at the same time, but
25:24
yeah, 25 is just Really, it's just waiting.
25:29
I think it's past most of its test.
25:30
It needs to static fire a few more times but it's really just
25:34
sitting there waiting for 24 to get out of the way. 26 is a
25:37
different vehicle. 26 is missing a few things, right?
25:41
Yeah, I know heat shield. No fins no heat shield, no fins.
25:44
And what does that say though? What does that mean?
25:47
Is that a tanker or is it a test?
25:49
If it's a structural test of a new body?
25:53
It's about it's no worse things, it's hard to know.
25:55
But one thing for sure is it's not coming back, not in one
25:58
piece anyway, it doesn't have any take doesn't have the heat
26:01
shield to get through the atmosphere and then it doesn't
26:02
have the fins to land. So This is this is a one-way
26:07
trip for 26. If it actually makes it up, it
26:09
could just be something, they're working on land.
26:13
Yeah. And I was thinking about that
26:14
because I saw reports that there's different structure on
26:19
the inside of the ship for ship 26.
26:22
Oh yeah. Compared to 24 25.
26:24
I read that. So I think is on NASA space,
26:26
flight forums and there was speculation that it is a test
26:31
article for a tanker or some sort of Depot of some sort in to
26:36
everybody out there. Listening that doesn't know what
26:38
the depot. When the tanker that I'm talking
26:39
about is SpaceX is going to have to refuel the starship.
26:42
In orbit, in order to get the Starship to the moon, or to
26:46
Mars, and they're going to have to have a fuel Depot.
26:49
That these tankers will fly to these.
26:52
Tankers will fly to a Depot, push all their extra fuel into
26:56
these Depots and then a star ship will dock with that and
27:01
then we'll go on its merry way after a fuels up, but this could
27:06
be the inner workings of one of those kinds of ships because
27:10
they have to, there's no room for Go or anything like that.
27:14
So it's just a basically, just a tube with fuel, like a fuel
27:17
tube, and there's a lot of testing has to happen with that.
27:19
They need to be able to move that fuel and space, there's no
27:22
gravity in this thing in orbit. So I have to figure out a whole
27:25
bunch of physics there to get this fuel to move in the right
27:28
way. And empty itself.
27:30
So essentially, they're going to have when they refuel in orbit,
27:33
they'll need. I think it was 10 launches to
27:36
refuel that spacecraft in orbit after after that spacecraft
27:40
launches and pushes itself into orbit, It'll have basically one
27:44
tenth of fuel that the rocket needs to get to the moon or the
27:47
space, the other Starship that comes will need to get to the
27:50
moon. It's a lot of launches.
27:54
Yeah, if you think of what Gwen was saying they have to do, they
27:58
have to do what 100 or 200 launches in order to make a year
28:03
to have a crewed flight. Are they taught, is she talking
28:06
about 100 fuel tanker, launches or Depot launches Starship crew
28:12
launches? Because these, the booster could
28:14
launch a hundred times be completely fine with the
28:17
tankers, but if they only do a few crew launch, it will crew
28:20
capsule launches every year like 5 or 10.
28:23
Seems ridiculous like just a few 5 or 10 or 20 years.
28:27
Yeah, that is ridiculous. Yeah, I think getting two orbits
28:31
easy, I think SpaceX has done that many times and you don't
28:34
really proving anything putting a tanker into orbit.
28:36
I don't think we're as you are definitely proving something to
28:40
land this vehicle again and be consistent is where it's landing
28:43
and catch it with this Tower as they want to do.
28:46
So I think that those are the hundred launch of.
28:49
They want to do it. When wants to do before this
28:51
thing carries People. They want to make sure that this
28:54
thing can get back down to the ground and land safely, not
28:58
land. Get caught safely, which is
29:01
still ridiculous. Yeah, we'll have to see it.
29:03
You have to see it in action because if all we've seen from
29:05
this Landing vehicle, is that it landed, once it wasn't even a
29:09
good Landing, you know, smg15 landed once actually, one of the
29:13
other ones land in the next bloated, but what you don't want
29:16
it either. But we understand that they
29:19
don't want to, they don't want to land it.
29:21
They want to prove that they can land it because are not going to
29:23
land that they're going to catch it but you still have to prove.
29:25
You can catch it. And you still have to prove that
29:28
the rocket can be accurate enough in its Landing to be, and
29:31
I think that's got to be done 100 times.
29:34
I certainly wouldn't get at before they prove that yeah,
29:37
that's weird too. So while we're having this
29:40
conversation and I thought about this a lot over the last two
29:43
weeks of how they're going to like, just the mindset shift
29:48
from everybody in a spaceflight industry of.
29:50
Oh yeah, we're just going to drop a capsule into the ocean
29:53
and have some parachutes and stuff to oh no.
29:55
We're going to do like this kick turn move in that hover.
29:58
You over these arms. And then it's going to be fine.
30:03
Like you just going to float down and you're going to land
30:05
on. These arms are going to move you
30:07
to the Side Lower. You down.
30:09
Just a little bump of giant. Yeah.
30:11
Just a little quick. What was it?
30:13
Five to ten G's or something like that?
30:14
I think somebody did the math. It was some decent amount of
30:17
cheese. Yeah.
30:18
For the flip move but it just blows my mind to think that
30:21
they're going to be doing a hundred of those in probably not
30:27
the towers, probably not going to survive every single one of
30:30
those. Out of the beginning?
30:33
No, yeah. I'm assuming they're going to do
30:35
20 or 30 of these flights with hover Landings in the ocean, or
30:40
on some sort of Mark in the ocean somewhere, or in the been
30:43
the Gulf of Mexico or something. I can see them doing mock UPS as
30:47
well. They've got a landing pad here
30:48
in Texas, there in Texas, I can see them doing a mock up, sort
30:52
of a very skeleton frame system, to a mat over the launch mode,
30:58
Over The Landing Pad where they can just say, okay, yep.
31:01
You are within five feet of our Mark or we missed it by 20 feet
31:05
or whatever before they even get close to the Tower.
31:09
Yeah, there's a possibility to. Yeah.
31:11
They inch closer and closer. I think they have to worry about
31:14
if they're starting to land at starting to catch.
31:17
I should say at taxes is the environmental stuff in once they
31:23
if they mess up any of the environmental stuff the FAA
31:26
might come after them or the the environmental groups and stuff
31:30
and that may hold them up and four years possibly in court
31:34
trying to figure that stuff out. They must have some of that
31:36
stuff and I think they're going to figure it out.
31:38
Out. Yeah, they must have some of
31:41
that stuff worked out by. Now, we've been sitting on this
31:45
sort of environmental approval for a long time.
31:47
They must have, it's not Justice.
31:49
Is for the next launch. This must be worked out through
31:52
for all lunches. Here are the parameters.
31:54
You need to work within and what you need protect.
31:56
And I think beyond that you're going to be find some kind.
32:02
Yeah, yeah, and if they continue to do it like that was, that's
32:05
where I was going to go with that as if they continue to do
32:08
it. If they do it once.
32:09
They're like, okay, let's we understand like this part of the
32:11
prototyping and part of the landing system, we get it.
32:15
But if they continually do it, if they do it.
32:17
You know, five times in the haven't gotten anywhere with it
32:21
and there's shrapnel everywhere and something, the environment
32:25
gets damaged, some species down there, get damaged, then they
32:28
might have to do another call back to that.
32:30
But I think they're going to be okay with it.
32:32
I think they'll take a very easily because Gwen knows the
32:36
billions of dollars. That NASA spends on Starship
32:38
program for the hls. She knows that money is
32:41
important and she knows that getting this right is the most
32:45
important thing for human space, flight and space flight in
32:48
general, pretty much ever I think.
32:50
Yeah, I think absolutely is the most one of the most important
32:53
Rockets of all time. So I think they're going to take
32:57
their time with it and get all those ducks in a row so to speak
33:00
before they do. First, very sort of test
33:03
Landings at the site, but once they figure that out, man, it's
33:07
going to be crazy and we're going to see 100 flights a year.
33:10
Just catch every other day, almost every other day if they
33:15
300 365 days in a year it'll be every 3-4 days that they do a
33:19
flight. They might even do a couple
33:20
flights per day. Pretty crazy, pretty crazy.
33:23
Can't wait to see it. It's a dress.
33:25
I'm watching NASA space. Flights live view right now.
33:28
There are six lifts underneath the The laundromat right now
33:32
that I can see. So they've got a lot of people
33:36
that yarder. Okay, and I know that you're
33:40
there working on the mountain out the yeah, Brewster at the
33:43
engines, one of them might be worth looking at the engines,
33:46
but the restaurant on the mountain.
33:49
Okay, six lips. Wow, idiots.
33:51
One of those lifts probably carries two three people because
33:54
you usually have to have a buddy system for sure.
33:55
I've seen people walking around as well on top, so there's
33:58
definitely more going on than that but it's just interesting
34:01
to see. How much Works going on?
34:04
It was only a yeah. It's only a few days ago what
34:07
four days ago since the static fire.
34:09
So, inspections were happening. Probably the day after they were
34:14
gathering data and now they're taking that data and putting it
34:18
into action. What broke what didn't break?
34:20
What are we see? What's a liability here?
34:23
What can we fix? Will keep a.
34:24
We'll have to keep an eye on that pipe that you saw earlier
34:27
see if they replace that or yeah.
34:29
See if they make some changes to it because yeah, it looks bro.
34:33
Kin to me if it looks. Right.
34:36
Looks pretty blown out. Yeah, something happened to it.
34:40
Yeah, so in the next exciting times.
34:42
Yeah next few days, ship 25, maybe something but ship 26,
34:47
more than likely doing a cryo or pressure test but we'll see what
34:50
happens down at the pad. If the pad is more important
34:53
than the ships, then they'll definitely continue working on
34:56
the pad then ship 26, and then push these off probably till
35:00
next week because there's no other road closures this week.
35:03
It Yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head there that
35:05
they're putting their resources into the launch Mount right now.
35:10
And I'll get back to it. There's no Russian 26.
35:12
We get it. Rid of 24 and 25 before that's a
35:14
problem. Yeah, exactly.
35:17
All right think that's pretty. I think we covered pretty much
35:20
ended. Is there anything else about
35:22
Starship that we should know about?
35:25
We did a pretty good, I think it's good.
35:28
It's a pretty good. Can't think of anything else
35:30
right now. I think we're I think we're
35:32
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