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Is Taysom Hill's Time In New Orleans Over? | Kellen Moore Begins To Tackle Saints Roster · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 1: his family got their first glimpse of the new Orleans
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  Speaker 1: Saints facility on Tuesday. Of course, it was Monday when
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  Speaker 1: Moore was introduced, or see me on Tuesday that Moore
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  Speaker 1: was introduced as the new head coach. Here today on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and his family got to tour the facility,
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  Speaker 1: take in all the sites as it were there on
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  Speaker 1: airline drive. And now the work really begins. Kellen Moore
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  Speaker 1: will be introduced to the media eleven thirty a m.
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  Speaker 1: On Thursday at his press introductory press conference, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: start to get a sense of how now what Kellen
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  Speaker 1: Moore's vision is to build this roster, to build the
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  Speaker 1: organization and what those conversations were like with Mickey Loomis
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  Speaker 1: and Gale Benson about the process to do just that.
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  Speaker 1: And while obviously the first shoe things that have to happen,
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  Speaker 1: he's got to build a staff. And we've already talked
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  Speaker 1: about some of those names, right, Doug nus Meyer possibly
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  Speaker 1: as an OC, Brandon Staley a popular name for DC.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about some of those names already, and more
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  Speaker 1: will come out. The second biggest question, of course, is quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Do you bring back Derek Carr for another year, delay
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  Speaker 1: your full reset a bit a bit longer, or do
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  Speaker 1: you move on now, take a big cap savings this year,
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  Speaker 1: decide what you're going to do moving forward. But then
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  Speaker 1: after that you're going to have even more difficult decisions
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  Speaker 1: with popular veteran players, and you know that is going
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  Speaker 1: to be challenging for the organization and emotionally challenging for
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  Speaker 1: Saints fans. For example, Ian Rappaport from NFL Media was
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  Speaker 1: on The Insiders on Wednesday and effectively was asked how
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  Speaker 1: the Saints can improve their offense and one of the
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  Speaker 1: players he mentioned that probably is done in New Orleans
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  Speaker 1: is Taysom Hill.
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  Speaker 2: So much of it revolves around the quarterback position. How
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  Speaker 2: they get this offense to function as efficiently as the
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles did. One great way to do it is
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  Speaker 2: just to get a lot better players. I mean the
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  Speaker 2: Saints offensive line, and they tried to rebuild through the draft.
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  Speaker 2: There's been some missteps there and some players who have
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  Speaker 2: flashed potential but not done it consistently. Certainly at the
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  Speaker 2: receiver position. They have some weapons. Not a lot of depth,
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  Speaker 2: but they have some weapons. They have a decision coming
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  Speaker 2: on Taysom. No hard to imagine he'd be back in
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  Speaker 2: the state in New Orleans, but I guess anything as possible.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, what do they do with Derek Carr? Do
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  Speaker 2: they keep him and he's their starter? Do they release
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  Speaker 2: him knowing it doesn't actually really help financially this year.
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  Speaker 2: They might just want to move on, and he might
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  Speaker 2: just want to move on a lot on his plate.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, the right hire the right time for the Saints.
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  Speaker 2: A young coach who's gonna need some time to get
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  Speaker 2: this right.
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  Speaker 1: So he's not entirely correct there, because they could release
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr, designate it as a post June one release
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  Speaker 1: and you would get cap savings. This year, but again,
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  Speaker 1: then you'd kick money into future years with Derek Carr
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  Speaker 1: if you did it that way. So, for example, post
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  Speaker 1: June one release would save you thirty million dollars against
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  Speaker 1: the cap this year, so it is possible that you
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  Speaker 1: would save money, but then you'd carry a twenty one
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  Speaker 1: with Derek Carr, a twenty one million dollar dead cap
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  Speaker 1: number this year and twenty eight million next year. So effectively, listen,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna feel the bront of it like there's no
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  Speaker 1: avoarding it. It's do you want it all at once?
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to spread it out over two years?
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  Speaker 1: Is really the question that they're gonna have to answer.
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  Speaker 1: But the Taysom Hill piece of it all is interesting
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  Speaker 1: as well, because I'm not sure this is something that
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  Speaker 1: collectively Saints fans have prepared themselves for is being done
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  Speaker 1: with Taysom Hill. So when you look at cap numbers
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  Speaker 1: for the New Orleans Saints next year, and look, we've
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  Speaker 1: spent the last three months having the who's going to
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  Speaker 1: be the next coach conversation. Now that that's done, it's okay,
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  Speaker 1: how do you start to rebuild this roster conversation? And
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  Speaker 1: that's where this all moves on to from here. The
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  Speaker 1: most expensive player against the cap next year is Derek Carr,
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  Speaker 1: followed by Cameron Jordan and then Taysom Hill. Eighteen point
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  Speaker 1: two million dollars is Tasom Hill's cap hit. So we
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned it with Derek Carr. The same is true
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  Speaker 1: for Taysom Hill. You could you could cut Taysom Hill
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  Speaker 1: with a post June first designation and it would save
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  Speaker 1: you ten million dollars against the cap in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: And he's got an eighteen point two million dollar cap hit.
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  Speaker 1: If you cut him with a post June one designation,
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  Speaker 1: that saves you ten million dollars. So his cap hit
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  Speaker 1: this year would be seven to nine, next year would
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  Speaker 1: be nine to seven. So you'd eat it for two
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  Speaker 1: years with no Taysom Hill, and he's still counting against
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  Speaker 1: your cap, but it would save you ten million this year,
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  Speaker 1: which would get you within cap compliance gain you're fifty
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  Speaker 1: one million dollars over the cap, so you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to do this again. The only way that you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna fix all this debt. Just think about it in
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  Speaker 1: terms of your life, if you got student loan debt
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  Speaker 1: or I sound like Dave Ramsey now you got credit
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  Speaker 1: card debt. Whatever. There's only two ways that you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get out of debt. You're gonna make more money and
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna spend less money. I mean, that's the way
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  Speaker 1: to do it. So it's like the cap keeps going up,
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  Speaker 1: so you're gonna keep having a higher cap number, and
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  Speaker 1: then you're not gonna give bad contracts, so you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be able to start hammering out that debt. Well, Taysom
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  Speaker 1: Hill and Derek Carr and all his say is that's
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  Speaker 1: debt on your roster. You gotta get rid of them all,
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  Speaker 1: Cam Jordan, you gotta get rid of all that so
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  Speaker 1: you can start to be within cap compliance and operate
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  Speaker 1: with a surplus. You can go spend in free agency.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not an economics major, but this is easy
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  Speaker 1: math to do, and how it all works out and
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  Speaker 1: the way they're going to go. They were willing to
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  Speaker 1: buy on credit for years to give Drew Brees a
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  Speaker 1: chance to win a Super Bowl. Well guess what now
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  Speaker 1: the credit card companies are calling because the debt is
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  Speaker 1: due and there are no way around it. You got
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  Speaker 1: to pay it. So the interesting thing about Taysom Hill
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  Speaker 1: is He's coming off of devastating knee injury suffered in December.
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  Speaker 1: He's probably not even going to be ready to play
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  Speaker 1: for you until October. And that's not even to say
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  Speaker 1: he'd be full strength, full speed, one hundred percent Taysom
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  Speaker 1: Hill in October. That's what he'd likely be back on
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  Speaker 1: the field. So is it worth carrying an eighteen million
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  Speaker 1: dollar cap hit for Taysom Hill this year for a
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  Speaker 1: guy that probably won't even compete for you for the
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  Speaker 1: first month and a half two months of the season.
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  Speaker 1: And this is also a guy that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: going into his age thirty five season. Remember Taysom Hill.
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  Speaker 1: You know he'll be he'll be thirty five in August.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is a guy who's been in the
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  Speaker 1: NFL since twenty eighteen. And while his career by years
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been supremely long, seven seven NFL seasons. Uh, he's
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  Speaker 1: older because he's went to b YU, he's a Mormon,
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  Speaker 1: went on his his LDS mission, and so he's older.
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  Speaker 1: So you got a thirty five year old guy coming
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  Speaker 1: off a terrible knee injury. Do you really want to
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  Speaker 1: have that wrapped up into him? And look, Taysom Hill
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  Speaker 1: was very good this year, you know, the last each
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  Speaker 1: of the last three years he's averaged eight yards of
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  Speaker 1: carry eight point six, eight point eight, eight point one. Like,
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  Speaker 1: he's still a very productive player when he's been on
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  Speaker 1: the field for you, but he's coming off a knee injuries,
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  Speaker 1: thirty five years old, he's expensive. These are the types
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  Speaker 1: of decisions that you're going to have to make. And
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  Speaker 1: you heard Dean Rapaport say it there hard to imagine
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  Speaker 1: Taysom Hill's back next year. So that's another one you
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  Speaker 1: need to start wrapping your head around that could be gone.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing I'll factor into is we don't know
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  Speaker 1: what Kellen Moore's offensive vision would be for a guy
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  Speaker 1: like Taysom Hill. Now, it is fair to mention when
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  Speaker 1: Sean Payden called plays, he made it work with Taysom Hill,
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  Speaker 1: When Pete Carmichael called plays, he made it work with
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  Speaker 1: Taysom Mill. When Clen kubi At call plazy made it
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  Speaker 1: work with Taysom Mill. When you have a guy that's
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  Speaker 1: that versatile, you could be creative with him and he's
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  Speaker 1: going to find a role within your offense. So I
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  Speaker 1: have no doubt that Kellen Moore could do the same thing. However,
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  Speaker 1: it is fair to mention that it's a new head coach,
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  Speaker 1: a new scheme, a new system, maybe a new quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: How would it all work together? And is it worth
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  Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars next year? So just start to wrap
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  Speaker 1: your head around this thought that guys like Taysom Hill,
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  Speaker 1: some veteran players who have been core pieces of this
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  Speaker 1: franchise for a long time now, probably aren't going to
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  Speaker 1: be back for cap saving purposes. And also as Kellen
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  Speaker 1: Moore starts to build this roster in the image and
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  Speaker 1: idea of what he wants it to be. But we'll
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  Speaker 1: get a much better sense of what that vision is
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  Speaker 1: when Kellen Moore meets with reporters on Thursday,