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Not So Fast Episode 17 · Not So Fast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst,
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  Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: sports stories of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst.
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  Speaker 1: Not so fast, my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He is
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  Speaker 3: Paul Pabst. All right, Paul, what do we got on tap?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, we got warm takes on the Texas Longhorns, warm
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  Speaker 4: takes on USC and Lincoln Riley versus Oregon, and What
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  Speaker 4: are the New York Giants going to do now, now
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  Speaker 4: that Jackson Dart is out for the season, maybe the
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  Speaker 4: regular season, maybe the postseason?
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  Speaker 5: Where do they pivot?
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  Speaker 3: We'll see. I got lots of quarterback news. Do you
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  Speaker 3: want good or bad to start?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yesterday on Not So Fast, we started and broke
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  Speaker 4: some quarterback news about Jackson Dart, and that was a
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  Speaker 4: negative day.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go positive.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to Seattle then, where Sam Darnold is
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  Speaker 3: on track to play this Sunday against the Commanders. So funny,
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  Speaker 3: it's a defending champion, Super Bowl, and no one cares.
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  Speaker 4: It's funny that no one is talking about Sam Darnold
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  Speaker 4: probably going back, the defending Super Bowl champion quarterback. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's double good news for Seattle because Darnold is healthy.
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  Speaker 4: It looked like it could be a hip injury, which
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  Speaker 4: could be ongoing.
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  Speaker 5: It's a glute. That's called your butt. And it seems
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  Speaker 5: to be fine.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the bonus for the Seahawks. You found out that
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  Speaker 4: Drew Locke is more than serviceable and maybe threatening. Usually
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  Speaker 4: your quarterbacks are either serviceable or threatening. Sounds like a
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  Speaker 4: band name. But he was pretty good. And I think
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  Speaker 4: other teams now look at Drew Locke and say to themselves,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's not a second-string quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: It's just the second-best quarterback on the roster. And this
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  Speaker 5: guy could do some damage.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he might not even be that far
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  Speaker 3: behind Darnold. Darnold was basically Drew Locke a few years ago,
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  Speaker 3: and Darnold just came out of nowhere. I know why
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  Speaker 3: he's coming back. Do you want to hear the reason?
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead. Because he's playing the Commanders. So I pulled
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  Speaker 3: up his line last year when Seattle played Washington. Sam
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  Speaker 3: Darnold was 21 for 24, 330 yards passing, and four TDs.
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  Speaker 3: Sam's like, I'm not missing this game. I've got to
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  Speaker 3: pad my stats.
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  Speaker 4: I remember this game specifically, and he was licking his
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  Speaker 4: chops the whole game. I think in the first half,
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  Speaker 4: he had three touchdowns, and the commanders aren't any better.
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  Speaker 4: They have Marcus Mariota. They have their own quarterback situation.
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  Speaker 4: Who's a decent backup? But Sam, like you said, he
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  Speaker 4: doesn't want to miss this one.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's why I was wondering. They could easily afford
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  Speaker 3: to sit Sam in this game and win the game,
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  Speaker 3: go with Drew Locke. But they don't seem to be
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  Speaker 3: that concerned about Darnold's health.
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  Speaker 4: I would say out in the NFC, you can't afford
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  Speaker 4: to pass on a weekend. I think you're trying to
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  Speaker 4: get home field advantage. And with the Rams and the 49ers,
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  Speaker 4: that one loss or that one pass on a win
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  Speaker 4: could be the difference between... being on the road in
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  Speaker 4: the NFC title game, and home for the NFC title.
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  Speaker 3: Also, it is East Coast 1 o'clock time, but I
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  Speaker 3: looked at last year. Seattle traveled East seven or eight times,
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  Speaker 3: dominated every game. They don't have a problem going East
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  Speaker 3: because they're a physical defense team. They're not a West
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  Speaker 3: Coast finesse team. So, like everybody, I'm not sure this
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  Speaker 3: makes a huge impact. I was going to pick the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks against the Commanders with Drew Locke or Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 4: And a lot of people liked the Commanders going into
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  Speaker 4: this year because Jayden Daniels two years ago was fantastic,
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  Speaker 4: and now it's like last year all over again.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. We also have some possibly bad news on
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback front. It's Chicago Bears, but we don't really
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  Speaker 3: know what's happening. It could be Caleb Williams comes back
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  Speaker 3: for Monday night. It could be Tyson Bajan's out of
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  Speaker 3: concussion protocol, or it could be my guy Case Keenum starting. Paul,
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  Speaker 3: you're a Bears fan. What should they do?
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  Speaker 5: I think this is a great news week for Chicago
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  Speaker 5: Bears fans. Again, if you go back to.
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  Speaker 4: When Caleb Williams went down and the Pope almost had
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  Speaker 4: to lay hands on him to get him back, the
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  Speaker 4: fact that he might miss one week and hasn't even
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  Speaker 4: been declared out for that week We've seen this 100 times,
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  Speaker 4: 2,000 if you have the Internet. And at very worst,
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  Speaker 4: he's out a game or two. Tyson Bajent might be
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  Speaker 4: the bigger problem. He's in the concussion protocol. But I
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  Speaker 4: think the bigger picture is the Bears were ready for
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  Speaker 4: this at the quarterback position for a guy who doesn't
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  Speaker 4: get hurt. Bajent was there. And Case Keenum is kind
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  Speaker 4: of that player-coach era of his football career. But it's
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  Speaker 4: not a guy who's going to embarrass you. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think Case Keenum can have a Jameis Winston-type game like
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  Speaker 4: Jameis did.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. The Eagles defense has been pretty salty the first
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  Speaker 3: two games. Really, the only thing that anybody's done against
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  Speaker 3: them is quarterbacks running. Case is not going to run.
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  Speaker 3: That's the issue. But Caleb isn't going to be able
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  Speaker 3: to run with his hamstring either. This is a game
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  Speaker 3: to me where you might sit Caleb Williams because you
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  Speaker 3: don't want Jalen Carter coming after him. Is it that
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  Speaker 3: necessary to get him out there?
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  Speaker 4: Besides Jalen Carter, what's the pass rush for the Eagles
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  Speaker 4: these days?
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  Speaker 3: Pass rush is hit and miss.
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  Speaker 5: Hit and miss.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it really comes up in the middle
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  Speaker 3: with Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter. So that's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a problem. Cam Ward ran around a lot, but
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  Speaker 3: he's young and healthy. So I don't know that Caleb,
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  Speaker 3: if he's out there, is going to want to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think this goes back to the Bears being
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  Speaker 4: prepared at the quarterback position early in the season and
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  Speaker 4: the New York Giants not being prepared. They had no
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  Speaker 4: third-string emergency quarterback on the roster versus the Rams. Jameis
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  Speaker 4: Winston stunk the joint up. They were in that game
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  Speaker 4: with a couple turnovers. If they had a third string,
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  Speaker 4: I think the wide receiver return man Braxton Berrios was
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  Speaker 4: their emergency quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: That's not good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Bears pay Tyson Bazard. I mean, not
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  Speaker 3: many teams are paying a second string and a third
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  Speaker 3: string quarterback as much as the Bears. I heard an
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  Speaker 3: interesting take on Caleb Williams. Tell me what you think
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  Speaker 3: of this. Oh, boy. If he's injured and he's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a little bit hampered all season long, won't
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  Speaker 3: be able to run, that might help him long-term to
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  Speaker 3: learn how to pass out of the pocket. Because Caleb
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  Speaker 3: does like to run to the right and look for
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  Speaker 3: something downfield instead of taking the pass right in front
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  Speaker 3: of him.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying not so fast. There is such thing
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  Speaker 4: as a good injury or an upside to an injury?
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  Speaker 3: Possible.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Caleb is more of a scrambler, keep plays alive
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  Speaker 4: than a runner like a Vic or Lamar Jackson.
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  Speaker 5: But his escapability is the thing.
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  Speaker 3: He runs a lot, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: He runs a lot, but he doesn't run dumb. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not saying Josh Allen runs dumb.
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  Speaker 3: You saw the highlight. He just got hurt running out
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  Speaker 3: to try and avoid a tackle.
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  Speaker 4: He was barely running. He was trotting to the first
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  Speaker 4: down there. I'm just saying, Caleb Williams is not a
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  Speaker 4: contact guy.
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  Speaker 5: He's not a guy.
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  Speaker 4: Remember Jimmy Garoppolo years ago taking on contact or Andrew
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  Speaker 4: Luck early in his career? He doesn't look for the contact.
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  Speaker 4: He's more of a Russell Wilson guy. with more escapability.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you run, you never know what's going
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  Speaker 3: to happen. All right, so you're optimistic about the Bears.
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  Speaker 4: I'm pretty optimistic. Now, there is a thing in sports
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  Speaker 4: media that you must do. It's a mandatory thing second
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  Speaker 4: week of the season. The 0-2 team that's going to
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  Speaker 4: make the playoffs and the 2-0 team that's going to
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  Speaker 4: miss the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: Now, Pearl, we all know the stat.
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  Speaker 4: If you go 2-0, you're likely going to the playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: and 0-2, it's like 80% chance you're not.
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  Speaker 3: Now, is this still true with the expanded schedule? You know,
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  Speaker 3: all the numbers are a little bit off.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't chop up the numbers, but let's start with,
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  Speaker 5: how about this? We'll start with the graphic. 2-0 teams.
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  Speaker 5: Let's take a look at them, Perloff. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: what you're picking. You don't know what I'm picking.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Bills, Bengals, Eagles, Seahawks. Raiders, Chiefs, Vikings, Niners. You go first.
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  Speaker 3: Who's not making the playoffs? Who's not making the playoffs? Well,
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  Speaker 3: it's obviously not going to be the Bills. Obviously not
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  Speaker 3: going to be my Eagles or the Seahawks. It seems
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  Speaker 3: pretty obvious. I'm going to take the low-hanging fruit, the
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  Speaker 3: Las Vegas Raiders.
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  Speaker 5: You were high on the Raiders.
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  Speaker 3: I love the Raiders.
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  Speaker 4: You love the Raiders, but they're not going to make
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: I just threw my pen off camera by accident. That
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  Speaker 3: was a hot take. Okay, the Raiders have the sixth
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  Speaker 3: hardest remaining schedule. They have the NFC West on their schedule, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: They have a lot of hard games. They've got the Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: So you like, don't love them?
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  Speaker 3: No, I like what they're doing. I like the direction
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  Speaker 3: they're going. There's no way they're going to get through
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  Speaker 3: this schedule and make the playoffs. They're in the AFC
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  Speaker 3: West with Kansas City Chiefs and the Denver Broncos. Explain
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  Speaker 3: to me exactly what their path is. They're not winning
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  Speaker 3: the division, and with that hard schedule, it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be too hard to get enough wins for the wild card.
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  Speaker 5: Before my pick, if you're a Raiders fan, do you
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  Speaker 5: want to make the playoffs?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, now you do.
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  Speaker 5: Like a wild card when you get bounced?
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  Speaker 3: Why? You're not drafting a quarterback. You just took Fernando Mendoza,
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  Speaker 3: number one overall. Why would you not want to be good?
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  Speaker 4: But if you keep winning and stay relevant and stay
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  Speaker 4: in the playoff hunt, you don't see Mendoza one snap
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  Speaker 4: this year.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine.
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  Speaker 5: That is fine.
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  Speaker 3: This is the Las Vegas Raiders, Paul. How often do
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  Speaker 3: they make the playoffs? One year with Derek Carr? Are
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  Speaker 3: you kidding me?
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  Speaker 4: All right, who do you got? My 2-0 team that
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  Speaker 4: will not make the playoffs, I'm going with the Vikings.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Vikings are quality, and they're a decent team.
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  Speaker 4: I just think that division is going to get chewed up.
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  Speaker 4: Bringing Kyler Murray back to me is... It's almost an obligation.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the right football decision. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if he's more stable at the quarterback position
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  Speaker 4: than Carson Wentz, and I think you agree with me.
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  Speaker 4: Carson Wentz, to me, is like a safe B-level quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Kyler Murray is a D one day and an A
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  Speaker 4: the other, and you can't win that division where every
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  Speaker 4: game is tough that way. I think the Vikings will
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  Speaker 4: stay afloat for a while, but they're going to get
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  Speaker 4: chewed up late.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a great roster around their quarterback. I
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  Speaker 3: think Brian Flores, probably the best defensive coordinator in the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: I still like them as a team.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't think that Kyler Murray is the guy
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  Speaker 4: who will win a late game for you.
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  Speaker 5: He was more likely to lose a late game for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he came out, and I think his first pass
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  Speaker 3: with the Vikings was an interception.
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  Speaker 5: He set the bar nice and low.
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  Speaker 3: And also, he could get hurt again. But you do
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  Speaker 3: have Carson Wentz behind there. You know, I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to back you on this one. I think Minnesota could
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  Speaker 3: get to 10 wins no matter who's playing quarterback. This
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  Speaker 3: is a really good coaching staff.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, if you're picking Minnesota to make the playoffs, give
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  Speaker 4: me your two teams for the NFC North that won't
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  Speaker 4: make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, the Packers and Lions. Really? Really.
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  Speaker 5: Lions, the Windows.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, and the Bears, maybe not either.
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  Speaker 4: If the Vikings make it and nobody else makes it,
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  Speaker 4: that would be the call of the year by you, Perloff.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the 0-2 team that doesn't,
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  Speaker 4: does make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, 0-2 team. Again, here's the list here. Obviously, we're
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: not putting the Dolphins. We're not putting the Commanders.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't it a waste of time to build the Dolphins
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  Speaker 5: in that graphic?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to go with the obvious one again.
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  Speaker 3: At least it seems obvious to me. Of course, it's
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  Speaker 3: the Houston Texans.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: In part because everyone picked them to go deep into
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs. But they've had a tough start to the
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  Speaker 3: schedule with Cincinnati and Buffalo on their schedule. They were
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  Speaker 3: right there with the Bills, who are arguably the best
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  Speaker 3: team in the NFL. And the Bengals, their defense got hot.
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  Speaker 3: But the issue with the Texans is Nico Collins has
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: not been out. He never is? Yeah, but he might
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  Speaker 3: be back week three or four. Their whole offense depends
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  Speaker 3: on their number one receiver. And TJ Stroud has not
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  Speaker 3: played bad. This defense is still awesome. Tough schedule a
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: little bit, but I think that they get some easy
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  Speaker 3: wins against teams like Cleveland, and they find a way
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  Speaker 3: to at least make the wild card with maybe the
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  Speaker 3: Jags winning that division.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Their defense really concerns me because that was supposed to
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  Speaker 4: be the best defense in the NFL, the most threatening
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  Speaker 4: defense in the NFL to Texans.
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  Speaker 5: And if they're not doing it, C.J. Stroud does not
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  Speaker 5: show flashes of C.J.
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  Speaker 6: Stroud.
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  Speaker 5: From three years.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they did hold the Bengals to 20 points. It's
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  Speaker 3: not like Joe Burrow lit them up. Josh Allen did
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  Speaker 3: light them up. But I think their defense is going
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  Speaker 3: to round into form. C.J. Stroud looks fine. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know why people are ripping him. He just has nobody
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  Speaker 3: to throw to.
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  Speaker 4: Fine is a rough word when you're talking about quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: When my wife comes up and says, what do you
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: think of this dress? If I say fine.
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  Speaker 5: I'm in a lot of trouble.
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  Speaker 3: If he was fine in last year's playoffs, Paul, Houston
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  Speaker 3: Texans would have been in the AFC title game and
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  Speaker 3: might have been the Super Bowl. But he was awful.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I'm taking fine.
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  Speaker 5: If you're aspiring to be fine as a quarterback, I
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  Speaker 5: worry about things.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, my 0-2 team that makes the playoffs, I begrudgingly
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  Speaker 4: am going with the Falcons.
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  Speaker 5: Here's why.
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  Speaker 4: They stunk up the joint. I mean the joint being
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  Speaker 4: Earth the first couple weeks of the season. The Falcons,
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: the two quarterbacks who played, not Tua, not Penix, a
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  Speaker 4: couple guys you barely know and you shouldn't know because
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  Speaker 4: they're awful.
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  Speaker 5: And you have Drake London.
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  Speaker 4: You have Pitts. You have Bijan Robinson. And you could
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: put together 16 points.
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  Speaker 5: Perloff, you could have scored a couple points with this team.
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  Speaker 4: It gets tougher, but I think the Falcons are generally
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  Speaker 4: a quality team, and they have a decent defense and
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of skilled position players. I like that Penix
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: didn't start early before he was physically ready. And I
• 11:07
  Speaker 4: think that I'm calling out the division. Saints are a
• 11:10
  Speaker 4: nice story. The Panthers are a nice story. I think
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  Speaker 4: there's going to be a battle, and I could see
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  Speaker 4: the Falcons riding the ship tonight against Green Bay.
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  Speaker 5: That's a teaser.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And Michael Penix, who everyone likes as a quarterback. They
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  Speaker 4: just don't like his knees.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man. I don't know, Paul.
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  Speaker 5: Go back to college. People love this guy.
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  Speaker 3: No, I love Penix. I'm just talking about the Falcons
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  Speaker 3: in general. I think Kevin Stefanski has been a little
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: bit exposed, the head coach, the first two weeks. Are
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: you sure, even with panics, they can win enough games
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  Speaker 3: to make the playoffs?
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  Speaker 4: That's another reason I like them, because Stefanski's seen bad
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  Speaker 4: teams before. He knows bad football. This guy's an expert
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  Speaker 4: on coaching bad football teams.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he loses a lot of those games with
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: bad football teams.
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  Speaker 5: But now he has a decent team around him.
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  Speaker 4: I think they're going to be okay-ish, but the bar
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: has been set so low, so early, everyone's off.
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  Speaker 5: If there was a Falcons bandwagon, nobody stayed on it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny. I actually looked at the Bucs at
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: 0-2 because I had the same thought. NFC South, you
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: win eight games, you're probably in the playoffs. Why not
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: the Bucs?
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  Speaker 5: I was coin flipping that one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And the Bucks disappoint me more. And they are more
• 12:07
  Speaker 4: known to disappoint me the past couple years. They find
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: a way to be down at halftime, get it close,
• 12:12
  Speaker 4: and then lose at the end.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I guess one team has to
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: make the playoffs. New Orleans to me, if I want
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: to do a mulligan, I'm picking New Orleans, but you're
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: not there.
• 12:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'm not. And we checked the box, 0-2, 2-0,
• 12:24
  Speaker 5: mandatory in sports.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's 75% and 16%, Paul.
• 12:27
  Speaker 5: You might be making those up.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: Could be. All right, coming up next on Not So Fast,
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: we dive into an exciting college football weekend. What is
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: the game of the weekend? Paul and I will debate.
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: That's next, Not So Fast.
• 12:39
  Speaker 5: Pearl, it's time for the midday pick-me-up. Here we go.
• 12:42
  Speaker 5: A little baseball. Let's go out to Seattle. Great unis
• 12:44
  Speaker 5: out there. You know that. Bango. That's Josh Naylor. No
• 12:49
  Speaker 5: problem there. Getting the win. Nice win for Seattle. Walk-off.
• 12:52
  Speaker 5: The fans are going crazy. Now, they stave off elimination.
• 12:56
  Speaker 5: Checking my notes, they have a. 1 chance to make
• 12:59
  Speaker 5: the playoffs. Everybody has to lose, and they have to
• 13:01
  Speaker 5: win out.
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: That doesn't seem likely to me, Paul.
• 13:04
  Speaker 5: Not likely, but we're saying there's a chance.
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: Wow. The fans are into it. I like this. That's
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: the whole point of the wild card, to keep everybody alive,
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: but this is not really too alive.
• 13:12
  Speaker 4: We are the official show of Seattle sports today. Darnold
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: and Josh Naylor, look at us. All right, it's time
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: for some warm takes. Pabst and Perloff, I'm going to
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: get you going. I'm going to start off, Perloff. My
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: first warm take is this. College football this weekend, heck
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: of a slate. There's a lot of good games down
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: in Knoxville, a lot of places. Oregon-USC this weekend is
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: a great game. It may not be a great game itself.
• 13:33
  Speaker 5: We don't know. But Oregon, they started a little slow.
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: They righted the ship. They should be okay. Here's the thing.
• 13:38
  Speaker 5: USC football. They're 4-0 right now.
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: Now, it's a shaky 4-0 because of the teams they beat.
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: We don't have to get into it, but they barely
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: got by Rutgers.
• 13:46
  Speaker 5: No offense.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: USC football has not been national title relevant in about
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: six years. And that's a long stretch for them. Remember
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: the Clay Harbor days? Lincoln Riley was brought there from
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma to win national titles.
• 13:59
  Speaker 5: Not to be decent. Not to win seven games. And
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: this is it. You're 4-0.
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: You got Oregon. Oregon's not the Oregon that we thought
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: they were. You win on Saturday, you're in position. You'll
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: be talked about on national shows like this, the Dan
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: Patrick Show, all over the place.
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: Maybe game day will come back out there.
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: But if you lose to Oregon, you're in a big
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: jam because it gets a lot tougher.
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: You have Ohio State later this season. You have Penn
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: State in two weeks. You have Indiana.
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: Remember, can you imagine a world where I'd say, USC
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: has to be scared of going into Bloomington?
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you do. Because they'll be favorited. USC football, Lincoln-Riley,
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: this is it.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: Take down Oregon, take down Penn State in two weeks,
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: and then we'll start talking about you again because we
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: haven't in a long, long time.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: I totally agree, but let me ask you something. Everything
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: we learned in the first three weeks of college football,
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: are we sure that's actually what's happening in college football?
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: I think Oregon might be great or they might be bad.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: I don't care too much about the week one and
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: two results.
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, probably not, but USC is not in that tenuous place.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: I think they're ranked 12th right now, and that is
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: a soft 12 because San Jose State's Fresno State, that
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: doesn't help you very much. But they have a great
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: freshman class. What they don't have is a great junior
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: and senior class.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: Right. They look terrible against Rutgers. There's no way around it.
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so beat Oregon. We'll talk about you again.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Or.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Lose to Oregon, then Oregon turns out to be great,
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: then beat Ohio State. But I hear what you're saying.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: I don't hear what you're saying. All right, I'm going
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: to pick another glamour program, Paul, and that's the Texas Longhorns. Now,
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump will go to see Texas at Tennessee this
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: weekend at noon, number one versus number 14, and I'm
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: not surprised. Last week, the media made a massive deal
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: out of LSU Ole Miss. But, Paul, which do you
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: think rated higher, Texas Ohio State or LSU Ole Miss?
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: Texas Ohio State.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: By many, many millions. I cheated.
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: I looked it up.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: So, Texas has Arch Manning, obviously. I think Texas is
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: the premier program in college football. They have a bit
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: of a Dallas Cowboys feel. I'll even say it. There's
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: something about Sark, the entire program, the colors, the history.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: People love when the Texas Longhorns are good at football. So,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: I think no matter who they're playing, they are a
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: must-watch TV. Then you add in Arch Manning, forget about it.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: They are... The Glamour team in college football right now,
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: they're the team you must watch. It's going to be
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: a great game against Tennessee. Now, Tennessee's got a young quarterback.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Texas has no excuse to lose. A lot of big-time
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: SEC games coming up. I think Texas is going to
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: outrate everybody throughout the year. And the best thing for
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: the sport would be for Texas to make the playoff
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: and do something. Paul, what do you think?
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about that a couple weeks on Not
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: So Fast. The ideal thing would be Notre Dame-Texas. That
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: would be a fantastic national title game. Lots of star power,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: lots of alums. The Manning family name goes a long way.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: My kids know the Manning family.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: They know who Arch is. 100%.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: My children know who Arch Manning is, not just the
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: older Mannings. So he crosses over, and that's where a
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: lot of those ratings come from. Texas is a national brand.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: So is Ohio State. But you throw a Manning in there,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: everyone knows who he is.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I think a good debate would be Ohio
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: State versus Notre Dame. Because Ohio State also does massive
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: numbers every time they play. Those, to me, are like
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: three NFL teams as far as nationwide interest.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: And going back to USC, a generation ago, USC was
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: one of those teams.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: USC used to be.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Leinert, Bush, Lendell, White, all those guys, they were the
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: pros of Los Angeles.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: I'd say Alabama is the fourth team in that mix.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: And Georgia's not far behind.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Not far behind.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: All right, let me get to my next warm take.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: It has been a weird week of Chicago sports. Caleb
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Williams gets hurt, then he's not so hurt. But it's
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: been a really weird week for the Chicago media. And
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: I watch a lot of it. I listen to a
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: lot of it. They went from being glad that their quarterback,
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: if you've seen this play possibly a hundred times, they
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: went from being in total panic because their savior of
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: the franchise is out for the season to he's going
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: to be okay to he's an internet sensation because everyone's
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: goofing on him because he maybe reacted like he was
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: out for the season when he was out for two weeks.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: The Chicago media is playing more defense than the Bears
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: are playing these days. They are very, hey, we can
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: make fun of our guy, but you can't make fun
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: of our guy.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: I would say relax. Caleb is a big boy. He's
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: going to be fine.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: You don't have to call out everybody in the media
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: or everyone on social media who's kind of poking your
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: quarterback for his reaction after being hurt. I will say
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: I have seen some people on both sides of the aisle.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: I've seen some people say, sports media people, actual paid
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: sports media members say, Caleb Williams was acting there. He
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: was making himself into more than it was. I don't
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: think you act like you're hurt more than you are. Now,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: people have different tolerance pain or how they show it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: And I've seen other people in sports media take up
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: for Caleb Williams as if they work for the Bears
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: and they're protecting him.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: You don't have to do either. You could just talk
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: about this guy.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: The issue is Caleb Williams gets clicks, and the Bears
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: get clicks, but it's Caleb Williams. And so people like
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: to pick a side with him and say, he's soft,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: he's acting, he's a diva, he paints his fingernails. The
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: other side says, stay away from our quarterback. You don't
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: work for the Bears. It's their quarterback. So have a
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: little objectivity, cover the story, and don't defend Caleb Williams.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: He'll defend himself when he gets on the field and
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: he gets in front of the mic again.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: It's very logical. Well said. But come on, dude. It's
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. What's the deal with this guy?
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: See, I think you could have a little fun with it.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: I saw the different memes where Caleb Williams is holding
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: the towel and doing the fist up and says, when
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: you successfully get your takeout order with no mistakes.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: That's funny. And it's not a global desecration of our quarterback.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Laugh a little bit.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Realize that his reaction was a little over the top
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: for the injury it turned out to be.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: But you don't have to go to bat for him.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I'm very curious in three years where we stand on
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. Is he going to... I guess, mature in
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: some people's mind? Are we going to look at him
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: as the ultimate professional or just sort of an oddball
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: who's incredibly talented and a good quarterback?
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the oddball days may go back to college,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: his first year in the league. He seems to be
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: not doing anything odd these days, but people want to
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: force that issue.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: That was odd.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: It was odd.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: You're being like the Chicago media. You don't see that
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: as odd?
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: You're screaming? Yeah, a little bit. I saw J.J.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Watt on a show the other day, and Watt was
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: asked about it. He goes, I pulled my hamstring. It
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: hurts more than you know. I trust J.J. Watt that
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: he knows about hamstrings more than we do, but he
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: also said that when I saw.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: The reaction, I thought it was way, way worse.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: We all did.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: So you could think both.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it feels like you're trying to toe
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the line, and I think you're secretly defending Caleb Williams.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Secretly, not Putting my Caleb Williams shirt out there.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Okay. I have a much harder job right now, Paul.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I'm going to defend Aaron Rodgers.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Oh, good luck.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: It's been a tough week in the media for Aaron Rodgers.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: No surprise. He had a terrible game last weekend against
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: New England. And now he plays Cincinnati. Now, traditionally, you
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: know how the AFC North works. When the Steelers look
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: like they're struggling and the other team looks good, that's
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: a guaranteed Mike Tomlin victory. Guaranteed. They might as well
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: not even suit up. It's usually 19-13. Now, it's a
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: new coach in Pittsburgh. But I think Pittsburgh is underrated
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: coming into this game. And I think Cincinnati is overrated
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: coming into this game. Now, I'm not guaranteeing a win.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: But Pittsburgh's defense looks awesome. Cincinnati's defense looks good, too.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: But guess who Cincinnati's played? The Bucs, who are an
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: absolute mess. And then they played a Houston Texans team
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: without their best receiver. Listen to these Texans wide receivers
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: that they have. Xavier Hutchison, some guy named Jack Wayne. Oh, sorry.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Jared Wayne and Keishon Butte. Is that going to hurt anybody?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: So Cincinnati's defense is getting all these headlines, Paul. They
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: play two bad offenses. Now they play another bad offense
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: this week. But Aaron Rodgers was so much better than
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: everyone's portraying last week. Key drop by DK Metcalf changed
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: the game. A fumble in the red zone. Aaron Rodgers
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: is the same quarterback as last year. And last year
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: in two games against Cincinnati, he averaged over 30 points.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: He can still make that kind of throw that we're
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: seeing on camera right now.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I will give you credit for the warmth of this take,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: but I cannot co-sign this take. I just watched the
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Steelers and Aaron Rodgers. He stands motionless in the pocket,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: and they don't realize that they have to block for him.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I think the Bengals are empowered the past couple weeks.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I think that the players on the Bengals, when was
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: the last time the Bengals got any run nationally about
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: their defense and not about Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase?
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I think they're going to be licking their chops to
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: get this guy. I do think the Steelers will right
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: the ship-ish, but this could be a really awful year
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: for them and maybe put them in a quarterback draft position.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I know we're not there yet, but I think the
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Bengals are going to eat this guy alive.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Ooh, we'll see. I mean, I think the Steelers are
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: going to be 9-8.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Are we keeping it friendly on this one?
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Well, what's the spread? I'll take the Steelers to cover.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll take the Bengals.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think, and also this Bengals defensive storyline.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: It's two games, and everyone's making it sound like they're
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: the purple people eaters or whatever. There's no great Cincinnati
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: defense nickname.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Bengals are giving 3.5. Still want it? Yeah. There you go.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I think this game is going to be really tight.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I think Aaron Rodgers, the panic is overstated. He wasn't
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: good last year, and they still got to the playoffs.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: All right, Pearl, that's a bet. There's a bet. Put
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: it in the book, Scotty. Here we go.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Let's play another game, you and I. No money on
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: this one. We're just going to play a little Who
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Said It. You got some points yesterday. I am a
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: donut on this.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Who said it? Football related. Here's the quote. Let's go.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Well, he can throw it. I mean, he's big, strong,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: passing quarterback. He can throw the ball. Everybody that follows
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: football has certainly seen him play. His strengths are evident.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: That's got to be John Harbaugh on Jameis Winston.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm co-signing. I want half a point.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Or should we go with a player from the team
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: on Jameis Winston?
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. I'll take Malik Neighbors.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: I'll take John Harbaugh of the Giants. Here we go. Well,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: he can throw it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: He's a big, strong, passing quarterback. He can throw the ball.
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: Everybody that follows football has certainly seen Jameis play, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: his strengths are evident.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: That is Mr.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Pot of John Harbaugh of the Giants talking about Jameis Winston. Now,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he watched the Rams game because he
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: was on the sidelines. He kind of maybe erased it
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: from his memory.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, I don't think he bought into what he
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: was saying. I think he was being a little defensive there.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: That's a must-compliment situation if you're a coach.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's a quarterback. I hope he can throw
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the football.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and being big is not really an accomplishment because,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: you know, if you put on weight, all of us
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: can be big.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: It was a little weird how bad Jameis was because
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: we've seen a lot of Jameis Winston. I don't know
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: who that quarterback was on Sunday.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: He also called him a passing quarterback. I mean, that
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: seems inherently part of the job. Like, you just have
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: to pass the ball.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Unless you're Tim Tebow.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Fair point, fair point. All right, that's it for us.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: We got a point. I'm giving myself a point on that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good job.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Coming up next, we're going to check in on those
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: New York Giants. What are they doing at the quarterback position?
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Are they thinking long-term, short-term, or not thinking at all?
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Stick around. It's not so fast.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Welcome back. Not so fast. Perloff and Paps. A lot
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: of news this week out of New York Giants land.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Jackson Dart looks like he's out for most of the season,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: but there's some confusion, Paul.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: It's a little confusing. Whole season, regular season, postseason. When
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: is the surgery? What's the backup situation? There's a lot unanswered.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so to get those answers, we're going to go
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to one of the best in the biz, Pat Leonard,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: New York Daily News, Giants beat reporter. Pat, take us
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: through the TikTok of finding out that Jackson Dart wasn't
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: out four to six weeks, as many of us expected,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: but out for the season.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Great to be with you guys. The Giants are down.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: They're shell-shocked right now because of exactly what you just said.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: I was talking to John Runyon, their starting left guard,
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: after he had heard the news that Dart was out
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: for the season. And he said it was devastating, not
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: just because they lost their franchise quarterback, but because he
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: saw Dart standing on the sidelines after the injury on
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Monday Night Football. And what Dart was telling him was
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: he was in a little bit of pain and discomfort,
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: didn't think it was too serious. They thought four to
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: six weeks tops. But what happened was they got an
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: MRI the next day. The results showed tears in the
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: MCL and then the meniscus, which is the key one,
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: as well as damage to the PCL. Dart, of course,
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: trying to play through, seeking second opinions on whether actually
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: he does need the season ending surgery. But the best
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: thing for him as an athlete long term is to
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: get that done. And so the Giants went from a
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: punch in the gut to kind of an uppercut to
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: the chin.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when I was watching that game, it looked like
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: a hard hit. But when you see him come back
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: out there, I think, oh, he's going to be okay.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: And the irony is, we've talked about this on this
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: show and other shows, is that last year he was
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: quite reckless. And he started sliding a little bit. In
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: week one, I saw him slide a couple times. It
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: felt like he was learning his lesson. So the irony
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: gets hit in the pocket.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: The thing about Jackson that coming into year two, The
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: key was learn how to play more as a pocket
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: passer who runs rather than as a running back or
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: as a running quarterback who throws.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And you're right.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: Through two games, you were seeing more of that. And
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: it is ironic that he gets hurt, quote unquote, in
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: the pocket.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: But.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: Here was another key evaluation point of Jackson. He's still
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: an undersized quarterback who through two seasons or a season
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: and a couple of weeks was still learning how to
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: see the field, see downfield and make those decisions in
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: those split seconds decisions that are the difference really between taking.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: The massive hits and not.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: And frankly, even though the, the win over the Dallas
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: Cowboys was so promising guys in the preseason, he took
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: a massive blindside hit on a, on a simulated pressure
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: in week one against Dallas, Caleb downs, rocked him and
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: forced to fumble on a blitz from the outside. And
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: now here, yes, your tackles are just getting clean beat,
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: which is an even more concerning thing going on now
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: with James Winston under center, frankly, but yeah, Dart still
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: really hasn't been able to show that he can avoid
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: taking the hits that so far he hasn't been able
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: to survive.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: All right, Pat, play out this scenario. The Giants season
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: goes off the rails as very easily could happen. What
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: if they're in the top five or top ten and
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: a quarterback is available? How about one with the last
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: name Manning? Do you think they're sold on Jackson Dart
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: no matter what happens come draft time next year?
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: No, Andrew, I think that's an excellent question.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: And I was talking about this the other day on
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: my Talking Ball with Pat Leonard podcast over on YouTube
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: after the game in L.A. It's that there are plenty
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: of people, Giants fans and people in the Giants building
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: who wouldn't want to hear this question or have this conversation.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: but it is a very real conversation now about where
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: this goes. This is not John Harbaugh's quarterback. It was
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: his quarterback to start this season. He did not draft
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Jackson dart and he was trying to make it work
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: and they were determined to make it work. And they
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: still have a high opinion of Jackson, but if they
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: have a top five pick and arch Manning is there,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: Who is going to look me in the eye or
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: you in the eye and tell us that the New
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: York Giants aren't going to try to make that happen, right,
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: with the history of Eli Manning? And also, frankly, Dart,
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: as promising and talented as he is, doesn't have enough
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: of a resume to say, well, Jackson will just get
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: healthy and we'll draft a Jeremiah Smith or a receiver
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: and we'll be off and running next year and everything
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: will be fine. You're still unanswered on the question of
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: can Jackson can sustain it. So there would be the
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: element of being in position to make that pick. And
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: then also the lingering questions about is Jackson the guy
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: and does John Harbaugh have an idea of a different
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: kind of QB he wants here?
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that could be like a situation we were talking
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: about it yesterday and not so fast when Peyton Manning
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: has a neck injury and Peyton Manning is bigger than
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Jackson Dart, they stumbled into Andrew Luck. I want to
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: back up a little bit. Right now with the Giants today,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: how do you think they address the quarterback position for
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: the rest of the year? Do they stay with Winston
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: and just get a serviceable backup? Or do they maybe
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: make a play for a quarterback and see if they
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: can make a season out of this?
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: Well, Harbaugh said flat out they're going to get another
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: quarterback in here. He said he would prefer a veteran,
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: but it doesn't have to be one. He also said
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: anything's on the table. So it could be a signing
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: of a free agent. or it could be a trade
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: of somebody on another team. Now, the big question to me, we'll,
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: we'll name some names in a second, but the big
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: question to me is this, are you acquiring a quarterback
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: to be a serviceable backup to Jamis Winston? If you
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: go get one, or are you already doubting Jamis and
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: acquiring this new QB to learn the offense and replace him?
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Because I think as far as the functioning of your
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: locker room where Jameis is popular and the chemistry of
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: your team, there's a lot of things you have to
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: think about with the balance of this. Not to mention
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: that they already gave Jameis a contract extension less than
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: a month ago because they thought he was so good
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: as a backup and that he could play. So they
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: wouldn't look very good if they did that either.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: But.
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: I would say Jimmy Garoppolo is the name that has
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: come up. Gardner Minshew I've heard floated around as a
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: guy who has a history with Matt Nagy. Frankly, this weekend,
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: I saw Mitch Trubisky as the backup in Tennessee. Nagy
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: calling plays, had some of his best years with him
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: in Chicago going back.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: But are these teams going to.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Are these teams, you know, bending over, you know, eager
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: to jump up and help the Giants solve their quarterback problem? No,
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: like a Mac Jones in San Francisco, it's easy to
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: look at what he did last year when Purdy was
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: out and say, well, yeah, go get him. But the
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Niners would be asking for the moon, you would think,
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: if you were going to get a Mac Jones. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: it's not like Kyle Shanahan cares about John Harbaugh and
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: the Giants.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Problem, so.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: I think there's not exactly an embarrassment of riches when
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: it comes to who you're going to go get to
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: turn your season around. And then Harbaugh does need to
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: be cautious about who he's bringing in and why he's
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: bringing them in. JJ McCarthy is a name I've heard,
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: but I don't know. I mean, it seemed like they
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: pulled him from their preseason game against the Giants because
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: he was playing so poorly when the Vikings were here.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the answer, guys.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: No.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: All right, Pat, I see you are in the Meadowlands
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: parking lot, a parking lot I know all too well.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: So I'll let you get to work in the Giants facility.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: It's going to be an interesting week, buddy. Thanks for
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: You got it. Talking Ball with Pat Leonard on YouTube.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Love it. We will check it out. Oh, man.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: I've been in that parking lot a lot. I usually
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: have a red solo cup in my hand. I'm not
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: usually covering any sports.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I know when it's empty after the game, after
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: you spend two hours in the press box, you go
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: down and there's about a million and a half seagulls.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: By the way, Pat had an interesting answer about Arch Manning.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: This is a real issue because we loved Jackson Dart
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: about three weeks ago. Now we're talking about drafting a quarterback.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: It could be something you stumble into you didn't intend
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: to stumble into, and it's not on the radar. Now,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: they can't address it. No one, the GM, the coach,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: they can never even entertain this when it's asked of them.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: But they're in a real weird position because I don't
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: think the Giants are competing for anything real this year.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Not a contender.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: No.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: So do you trade a draft pick, even a fifth
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: or sixth round draft pick for a player to get
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: you to six wins?
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, think about the ownership and the team.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: It's been a long time for the Giants. I don't
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: know if they still want to rebuild and rebuild and rebuild.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: So there will be people in the building who say,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: get me a veteran in here right now.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: But to do what? To get to seven wins and
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: not make the playoffs and lose a sixth round draft pick?
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: I don't see it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Jameis played awful. If he played serviceable, we probably wouldn't
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: have this conversation. And you'd bring in Brandon Allen or
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Jake Allen or Doug Allen or some Allen that played
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: pro football.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Not only that, too. They had injuries at left tackle.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: They had Brian Burns got hurt. It feels like injuries
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: are going to be one of the storylines.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: The GM will never admit this, but this could be
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: looked at as like a gap year where you say, hey,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: this is unintentional. It didn't mean for it to happen,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: but we'll let it play out. We've got some good players.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Keep Malik Nabors healthy. Get some other players. But if
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: you get a top five draft pick, You're not committed
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: to Jackson Dart financially. He got all his money up front.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a gap year, but it's been a gap decade.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I think people are tired of the gap in New York.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: But with Harbaugh, it's his first year. No one's going
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: to be putting a coach on a hot seat, especially
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: not a Harbaugh. So it's one of those unintentional things.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I go back to Manning with the Colts. He has
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: that neck injury. And if he didn't, and he just
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: played good football. they would have never taken Andrew Luck.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: They would have never been in a position to take
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Andrew Luck. And Andrew Luck, even though it didn't work
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: out 15 years, it did for seven years.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that wasn't bad. I mean, listen, the Giants
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: haven't had much luck at all, and they definitely have
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: not had it this year. All right, coming up next,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Dan Patrick weighs in on the Graham-Benziger-Mike McDonald-Sean Payton triumvirate.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: We'll dive into it as well. Not so fast.
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you know, he was older, and he was
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: coming off of two years or a year and a
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: half in prison, so... But, I mean, honestly, in our prime,
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: I mean, you can ask Vic. I think I still
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: got him in my prime, too. But, yeah, I was
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: faster when he came along and played with us.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Back on Not So Fast, Paps and Perloff here, NBC
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Sports Now and Peacock. That was DeSean Jackson, the great
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: wide receiver for your Eagles. Also, he's the head coach
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: of Delaware State Football, which.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Are having a nice season.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: You know, he's one of the few NFL players who's
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: ever yelled at me, and you'll never guess why. Really? Yes,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I was doing an Eagles preview for Sports Illustrated, and
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I went to camp and asked him about when he
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: fumbled at the one-yard line. I said, what did you
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: learn from that? He goes, what did I learn from that?
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: I fumbled at the one-yard line. What do you think
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I learned from that? And he did not like it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: That is a gutsy question for him.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I almost want to talk to him. Maybe go
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: down to Delaware State on a fall afternoon. It's lovely
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: down there. And say, hey, 20 years later, did you
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: learn anything? But he was great on the show. I
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: got to tell you, he's one of the fastest NFL
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: players I've ever seen.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you said fastest ever, Tyreek Hill's
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: in the mix, Mike Vick's in the mix.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Xavier Worthy now with the Chiefs.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Willie Galt, if you go back a generation, I had
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: to work that in.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: 85 Bears, Willie Galt?
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Shocking.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: The other thing he talked about that he could have
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: played both college and pro baseball.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Who is the other guy? We obviously know Bo Jackson.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: We know Deion Sanders.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Who's the guy who played one sport you wish you
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: could have saw play more of another sport?
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: You go first.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do a little bit of fantasy. What
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: if LeBron James could have played football? He talks about
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: it enough. He was at the Rams game the other night.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Let's get LeBron on the football field.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: I got to tell you, YouTube does not have a
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: lot of LeBron wide receiver clips from when he was
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: a sophomore or junior because I think he gave it
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: up too fast.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at 6'9, you're a pretty big target
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: out there. There are not a lot of 6'9 tight ends.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: I would have liked to have seen more Allen Iverson
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: as a football player.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he went to Georgetown.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: If somehow Georgetown started their football team, imagine D3 football
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: with Allen Iverson at Georgetown.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: I would have watched some Allen Iverson.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: You know, former NFL head coach Jim Schwartz played football
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: at Georgetown. I think Allen Iverson could have played at UVA.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: He was a superstar in football. Even Vic and those
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: guys talk about him like he was as good as
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: they were.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: You know, he was on the Dan Patrick show, Allen Iverson,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: years ago. And Dan asked him how close he was
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: to playing two sports. He said before the incident happened
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: at the bowling alley, he was in discussions with a
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: couple different colleges about playing both. And because they wanted
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: him so bad as a basketball player, they were going
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: to wink at the football career.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, he is such an awesome athlete. He's skinny, though,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: so he would have to put on a few pounds. Yes.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: All right. What else we got from the show today?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: DP talked about the Graham Benziger situation. If you haven't
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: heard about this, it's kind of a wild situation. Seahawks
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: coach Mike McDonald was on his show and said way
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: too much. He did not apparently know that this was
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: going to air. Earlier today, Dan gave his thoughts on
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: what happened.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: If this is the way Graham Benzinger does his interviews
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and he lets the subject know, then this is on
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald. And if that's the case, you don't have
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to apologize. You can say, look, I'm sorry you didn't
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: remember what we told you. But I don't think that
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: clip should have aired because he clearly was just talking
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: And I don't know.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't see the rest of the interview. I only
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: saw that clip. And I would have a problem with that.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: If we aired that, I would have had a problem
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: with our folks here.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: So there's a lot of elements of this story. It's
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: day two of this story.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: So Mike McDonald, who was on with Graham Bensinger, he
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: talks about, and it felt like it was before the interview.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: They admitted the part was before the interview. And they
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: start chopping it up. But there's guys moving lights around.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: It's not clear. My only thing I want to know is,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: was Mike McDonald told, before he walked out to the studio,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Everything's in play, coach. Anything we talk about here could
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: be used on the show. If he was, then it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: on Coach McDonald for not being ready or prepared. If
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: he wasn't, which I would like to know, then it's
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: on the producers of the show.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Now, you've been in this situation many times with Dan
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Patrick's show. Big-time guests coming out. What do you tell
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: them before the interview starts?
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: We always tell them, when you walk in the studio,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: expect your mic to be hot and expect the camera
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: to be on. We give them specific instructions if they
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: come out and there's a live look-in. If you watch
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: the Dan Patrick show, they do commercial look-ins. We say, hey,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: We're coming back in about 10 seconds, just so you know.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Have your mic on, and you're on air. And we
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: give them explicit notes or heads up before.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: During, and after.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: So Graham Benzinger gets a lot of big-time interviews. A-list guys.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Do you think anyone's going to be nervous about going
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: on a show after he's sort of put this out there? Now,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: he said he didn't really mean to put it out there,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: and he regretted the decision. But I wonder if there's
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: some damage here.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: I do wonder that, and I also wonder if it
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: wasn't such a good, saucy story, would they have put
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: it out there? If they were just chit-chatting about, hey,
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: where's your kid going, private school, public school, I don't
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: know if they'd post that clip. They posted the clip
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: of him talking about Sean Payton going after them for cheating.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: The funny thing, too, is what a stupid scandal. This
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: was the opposite of Spygate because one team looked at
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Twitter for the plays. I think that's why everybody was like,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: who cares? I don't know why Sean Payton was so mad.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: But you know how it is with NFL. It would
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: happen on a Wednesday. It's in between games.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: It didn't happen on a Monday. It didn't happen on
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: a Friday. It was a perfect Wednesday pro football story.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Well, and I guess Sean Payton, this is a sensitive
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: topic for him. I think he was embarrassed by the
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: whole thing. You know what, Mike McDonald, he's still our guy.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I love that guy.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, you win the Super Bowl, you could do no wrong.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: This is a blip. This is not a big deal.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: All right, the other clip we want to play, this
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  Speaker 4: is our buddy Mike Florio. On his show yesterday on
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Not So Fast, comes up before this, Mike Florio's show
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  Speaker 4: with Chris Sims. He talked about the game this weekend,
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  Speaker 4: and you guys know this game. It's Cowboys-Ravens down in Brazil.
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  Speaker 4: And there's been issues with the field. The NFL is
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: downplaying it. Florida doesn't see it that way.
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  Speaker 9: Nothing is getting in the way with the obsession to
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  Speaker 9: globalize the sport. And bad field, if we have to
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  Speaker 9: deal with a bad field for three hours, that's fine.
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  Speaker 5: Players are going to get injured.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine.
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  Speaker 9: They're going to get injured anywhere. They're going to get,
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: they always say they'll play anywhere. Well, all right, here
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: we go.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Play on this.
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  Speaker 9: I feel like at this stage of the NFL's international experiment,
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: they're not letting, anything get in the way and they're
• 39:32
  Speaker 9: not going to pull the plug no matter how bad
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  Speaker 9: that field may be. They are going to make chicken
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  Speaker 9: salad out of that field and they're going to get
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: it ready for Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Florio nailed this one. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: the NFL really cares. Clearly, they're going to try to
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: get the field as ready as they can. But they're
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: not canceling the game. They're not bringing everybody back home.
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  Speaker 4: This is a national event in that country that's been
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: building for months and actually years they've known about this.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I look at the NFL, you know, if there's a lawsuit,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: there's a concussion lawsuit. There's not a bad field lawsuit.
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  Speaker 4: They're all going to make the fields the best they can,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: but they're not going to overspend on it.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Well, they could go grass- The same stadiums played the
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: World Cup on grass, and the NFL, these are the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: multi-use they want. They're like, well, we're not going to
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: pay for that for the NFL season. So there's obviously
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of room for improvement here. Also, the Brazil game,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the Eagles went to Brazil a couple years ago and
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl. So you can't say it's a
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: total competitive disadvantage.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Oh, so you're saying it's correlation.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Look at the field there. There's some soccer clips. There's
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: stuff all over the place. It's all chopped up. It's
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: going to be interesting to see when the game is
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: on TV, the people who don't know about this field issue,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Their reaction on social media in real time, because if
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: it's a complete quagmire.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: Good word, by the way, the reaction is going to
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: be out of hand.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be better if I told you it was
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: a good word instead of you saying your own word
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was a good word?
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: I was surprised that I pulled it off.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: All right, it's time for the rando here on Not
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: So Fast. Something we saw that surprised us, we didn't like,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: we did like. This one is out of nowhere. College basketball, Pearl.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Your Mississippi Valley State Hoops team. I don't know where
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: we got this from. I thought it was AI. Your
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Delta Devils, the 2026-27 schedule.
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  Speaker 3: They're on the road early.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Arkansas.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Now, what's your theory here for the SWAC Delta Devils?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: I have no theory because I do see at Michigan
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: and at UConn, as I recall, those were the two
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: best teams in the tournament last year.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Well, they did mix in North Texas. That's their win
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: in that group, and I'm not making fun of North Texas.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: But they're at UConn, the Mississippi State Valley basketball team.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is like playing with, you know how
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: the batters have donuts on their bat before they get
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: it onto the plate? They are going to be so
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: battle-tested by the time they get Bethune-Cookman. They're going to
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: be really good at SWAC.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: So you're saying Alabama A & M and Alabama State
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: should be nervous about what's coming.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. Now, is that the college that Jerry Rice
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: went to? I always get confused about his alma mater.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: It sure does. It had been a Mississippi. Try that
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: one out for size. Now, here's the thing. Do they
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: get paid to do these games, like college football teams?
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming. I hope so.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: I hope they're getting paid a lot.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: They might have a lot of NIL money after this.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Well, keep an eye on this story. This is fantastic.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: All right, coming up next. Oh, constructive criticism and the feel-good.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: And superlatives.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Nailed that.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Superlatives are back. Stick around. Not so fast.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He's
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Paul Papps. If you watch the DP show today, there
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: was a wonderful surprise. Paul, it's your birthday, and I
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: got you a present as well. Wow.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: Everyone's been so nice to me today around here.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: This is Case Keenum playing for Moore. Your Chicago Bears
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: quarterback wrote a book co-written by Andrew Perloff. Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: You just went third person as you gave me a
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: book that you co-wrote.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, bonus coverage. It's autographed by you. By you, not
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Case Keenum.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Great.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I couldn't afford the one autograph.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: That's awesome.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Let's get to Superloftives week number two. All right. Superloftives,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: the best and worst around the NFL. This week we're
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: going to do the backup quarterback Superloftives. Starting with the
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: best backup quarterback. Not only is this guy the best
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: backup quarterback so far this year, he might be the
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: best backup quarterback we've seen in years. Maybe since Case
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Keenum in 2018 with Minnesota. And that, of course, is
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Drew Locke. Guess who leads the NFL in passer rating, Paul?
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Drew Locke?
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Drew Locke. He's fourth in QBR as well. Four touchdowns,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: no picks. Has been better than advertised. I think people
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: know he's played well. By the numbers, he's been one
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: of the top three or four quarterbacks in the NFL.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: But he probably hits the bench this week. That's okay.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I think Seattle knows they have something. So Drew Locke
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: at least gets a superlative. Okay, if we're doing best,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: we've got to do worse. The worst, there was more
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: competition than you might think. If Drew Locke had the
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: best passer rating, the worst passer rating was also a backup,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: but it was Jack Strand in Atlanta. Oh, my God.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: He did not get the award. That goes to Jameis Winston.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Jameis Winston gets his superloftive for worst backup quarterback performance
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: so far this season.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: He looks confused.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Jameis should know better. The pick that he threw against
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: the Rams that really turned the tide and put the
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Giants out of the game was so bad. Jameis, you
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: deserve this sticker because you are really, really bad. You're
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: better than that, Jameis. I hope you're better this week. Okay,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: my most confusing backup quarterback, you know who I'm going
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: with here, Paul. Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz was both great, bad,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: and in between for Minnesota. They are 2-0. Now, his
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: numbers were just about average. He is ranked 24th out
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: of 33 according to Pro Football Focus on his performance
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: through two weeks. One of them was in the rain.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: So that was tougher. He has two big time throws
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: and two turnover worthy throws, but nobody caught those turnover
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: worthy throws. So his numbers are OK. I really don't
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: know what the Minnesota Vikings have in Carson Wentz or
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Kyler Murray. So he gets my super lofted, most confusing quarterback.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to go back to Drew Locke.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: I think Drew Locke's career is in this really interesting
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: slash weird position. After a couple good games, what if
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: he doesn't play again this year? Does he get high-end
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: backup money, or does he get a chance to run
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: his own squad?
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: He definitely gets a chance to start next year. I mean,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: what's the model? Sam Darnold, right in front of him.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Maybe he goes one more stop with a McVay or
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: a Shanahan. Drew Locke is clearly amongst the top 32.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: All right, let's get to Thursday Night Football. If the
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Falcons win tonight, the reaction is what?
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Wow, we were wrong the first two weeks. All they
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: needed was Michael Penix.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, and the Packers would get lit up if they
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: lost tonight in any way for any reason.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Packers, they're hurt.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: But I think the local reaction, maybe not the national reaction,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: but the local reaction if they lose to the hapless
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Falcons would be disaster time in Green Bay.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Packers fans don't really get mad, so I
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: don't know what that means. I'll tell you what, if
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: they lose tonight, I'm going to go a little warm here.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: They're 1-2. That is a team to watch out for
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: in the second half of the season.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Who did they hold?
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: No, Josh Jacobs is coming back. Linemen are coming back.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: They are going to be a dangerous team in the
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: second half when they're healthy.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: That is pretty warm. And I think with the Packers,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: if they win, the reaction is going to be light.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: That's what they should be doing. They're not going to
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: get a lot of pub for that. It's time for
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: constructive criticism here on the Not So Fast Show.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Here we go, Pearl. Here's what people had to say
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: to us. Maybe about your hair. Maybe about my birthday.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Who knows? Best road trip song.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: Running down a dream.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Touch the sky. This must be the place. Talking heads.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: And Eye of the Tiger, No Shocker from Fritzie. Where
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: are you going, Pearl?
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, I want to go with the movie Days of Confused.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: They ended with Low Rider playing as Matthew McConaughey.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: Wait, Slow Ride?
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Slow Ride.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Slow Ride by Foghead. That's a great call by you.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Well, there he goes. I misheard the lyric. I always
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: thought it was Low Ride.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Slow Ride by Foghead.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Low ride.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: I think it's slow ride, but I'm actually 100% sure.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I screwed it up.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: We had a few mistakes today. I think I had one, too.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Did I call Clay Helton of USC Clay Harbor?
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: You absolutely did, former NFL.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: Tight end.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I called Jared Wayne. I don't even know
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: what I called him. He's a wide receiver on the text.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I called him Jack Wayne. No relation to Reggie Wayne
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: or Bruce Wayne.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: We need Tony Reale here.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: We need Reale to stop by to be stat boy
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: and call out our mistakes. I think I won this one.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, running down a dream by Tom Petty. is
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: a road trip song. Jimmy Waters, birthday boy wins this
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: one hands down. Of course, I can't lose today, but
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Tom Petty can't lose.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but running out of dream is, did you have
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: to have a song that had some sort of movement
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: to it? Because I think you can listen to a
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: song and enjoy it, even if it's not about driving.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: It's a sure thing. It's a road trip song about
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: road tripping. I couldn't lose there with Tom Petty.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know you love Tom Petty, so that's
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: your birthday present.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: All right, here we go.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: You know, if it can't get any better around here,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: we're in a great mood. It's time for the feel good.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: We love the feel good. You're going to love the
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: feel good.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: This one's interesting. Check this out, Pearl.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: The feel-good we're going to go out to Evanston, Illinois.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: New stadium for Northwestern. They just waxed Colorado.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: Look at that place.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Gorge. Why? Is it for Northwestern football?
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: It's not that big. It's like 40,000 people. Intimate.
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: Friendly.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: What you're looking at there is called the student wall.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: It's standing room only for the student section. You can't
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: sit there.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: But it's Northwestern football. You probably want to sit. This
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: isn't Cameron. You're not watching Duke basketball. What are you
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: going to stand up for the whole time?
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, Northwestern football.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: They're forcing their students to stand at attention for Northwestern
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: football games.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: It is a gutsy move.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I would not have put any energy into the field.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I would have put it all in the press box. Honestly,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: you're going to have more famous journalists coming out of
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Northwestern than football players.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: So if they're in the fourth quarter, they're up 41-7
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: on Colorado, do you just lay down?
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Do you lean against the bar? What do you do there?
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I think you walk out and go to the local pub.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: You probably do.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: All right, thanks a lot. Tune in tomorrow to the
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Dan Patrick Show. A lot of big guests on DP tomorrow.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: And then right after that, tune in to Not So
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Fast here on NBC Sports Now and Peacock.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: That's it for us. We're done. Enjoy the football tonight.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: Go somebody.