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MidLife Card Talk Episode 3- With Jeremy Donson (The Texas Snowman) · Sports Card Clubhouse

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What's going on everybody, I am very excited today.
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I, I've mentioned to you guys many times and what you've
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started seeing is more and more conversations with experts in
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the industry, with influential people in the industry.
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And today I have a long time dealer, long time collector,
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auction house owner. I mean, you, you now have a
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podcast. This is Jeremy Johnson, also
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known as the Texas Snowman. How are you my friend?
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Doing great. Thanks for having me on man
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appreciate it. Yeah, I'm excited you and Chris
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Sewell started up your Collector Investor podcast.
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What was it maybe three months ago or something?
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I think we just did our 10th episode, so maybe, yeah. 2 1/2
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months. Three months, yeah.
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Yeah, I listened to them. I haven't listened to the most
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recent one. I've listened to all the other
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ones. I think they're fantastic.
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And then Theo, you know, all of us in the YouTube community love
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Theo and he's a great little auxiliary, you know, accessory
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into it. He's a great guy.
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So that's always fun when he pops on.
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And we'll talk more about that. But today, the main thing I
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wanted to talk about cause something that I, I study on my
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channel and I research on my channel are trends that are
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happening in the card market, in the card industry.
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And what's, what's going up, what's going down, what's
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getting hot, what's getting cold?
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And I reached out and I said, what are a couple of areas that
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you've noticed some explosion in, some upward trajectory in
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and you fired off too. And we're going to take a look
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at those. So I just want to get straight
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into it right away. So here we go.
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I'm going to pull up on my screen.
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If you're watching again, this is Jeremy Johnson, AKA the Texas
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Snowman, who is the owner of Collector Investor Auctions, CIA
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Auctions, who we talk about all the time on the channel.
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I just bought 2 cards. In fact, we might look at those
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later on. I just bought 2 cards in the
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auction that ended on Sunday. And my dad has been a consignor
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twice I've been a consignor, but here we go.
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All right, let's take a look at. Sorry, is that the single most
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good looking thumbnail you've ever made, do you think?
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It's pretty good, man. I mean, look at it's got the
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snowman in Texas. It's got you on there with your
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music school shirt on. I just when I was trying to find
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a picture of you, I, I, I like this one because you were
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smiling. So I went with that one.
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All right, here we go. So items with recent upward
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trends and then I'm going to look at some data to support
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this. So the first one you mentioned
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to me was pre war presidential cards.
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Now I know that you sold. I think there was an Abraham
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Lincoln card like an Ogden Abraham Lincoln in the last CIA
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auction. What is when when you said pre
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war presidential cards. Tell me before we start looking
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at some data to show just how much they've boomed what what's
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your experience or what's your evidence or what's the anecdotal
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situation that you have where you've that came right to mind?
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Well, number one, I, I hear more and more people talking about
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non sports than they used to. You know, that back in the day,
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especially when Chris and I started non sports is like, ah,
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that's, that's, that's non sports.
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You know, that's how I viewed it anyway.
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I was more of a sports guy, so I was probably biased to that.
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It's certainly always been around and people have always
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wanted it, but I've just noticed a lot more people talking about
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it. And when more people talk about
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it, generally more people are interested in it too.
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But if you just look at the prices that it's sold for, you
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know, look at it five years ago, three years ago, two years ago,
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1, you know, you can just see the trend that's there.
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And there there's other, other reasons I have for that.
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Like, for example, you know, the 250th anniversary of the United
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States, right? I, I, I, I'd see a pretty good
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opportunity for presidential cards like that to have a bump.
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Maybe they won't, they may not, but I see a potential there.
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And also things are just becoming, I, I think it's
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becoming a lot more popular. You know, like, oh man, look at
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that cool George Washington or that cool Abe Lincoln, you know
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what I mean? Abe Lincoln's probably the most
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popular one, and I've just seen them go up, and I think there's
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a high trajectory there. One thing that I'm really
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holding onto are called CDVS, Carte de Vista.
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Are you familiar with those? I'm not.
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No, tell me. Yeah, so CDVS, carte de Vista,
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they were, I, I believe audience, correct me if I'm
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wrong here, but I believe they started around 18 sixties,
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1860s, I believe when they started, me and Chris joke
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around and say it was Abe Lincoln's play in Days, you
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know, and but anyway, so they, they had these cards and, you
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know, they would pass them out as like a gift or promotion or,
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you know, just like a, you know, going to a party or something
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and hand them out or whatever, you know.
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And so they, they just sit around.
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PSA does not currently grade them.
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And I believe there's a chance that PSA will grade them.
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Don't know if they will 10 years from now I may still have them
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raw and you know, I'm deciding, OK, I guess I'll sell them now,
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you know, but but I believe that PSA could possibly grade them
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and if they do, look what happened with the star cards
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star basketball. My goodness, it exploded when
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PSA started grading them in in a way, not that they needed to be
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legitimized, but when PSA started grading them, it further
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legitimized the the the 84 star, you know, one O 1 specifically,
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and it just absolutely exploded right.
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So yeah, I could see that same thing happening with some of
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those CD VS. I have a bunch.
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I've sold very few of them and I probably will be holding them
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for the long term. Yeah, another one that that is
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along those lines and and what you just described about how PSA
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quote, UN quote, legitimizing a card or type of card I think is
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an opportunity for people. And I think you holding them is
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smart thinking that might happen.
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Like some of those Bond bread cards like the Bond bread Jackie
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Robinson, like the clip corner cards that went into the loaves
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of bread like those right now are SGC like that That's the
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place to get them graded. And if all of a sudden PSA were
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to say this 47 Jackie Robinson card, we're now going to start
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grading like that could be the the next star Jordan, like in
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theory. I think that that's a really
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interesting point. Now, other than the the CDV's,
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are there other sets? And we're going to look at some
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examples here in a second. Are there any you mentioned
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Lincoln, you mentioned CDV's, are there certain presidents or
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political figures in particular that kind of stand out besides
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Lincoln, are there certain sets that stand out?
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And then again, we're going to look at some data to show it's
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been an explosion of this stuff. But any, anybody or any release
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in particular? It's hard to beat the caramels,
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the, the, the 30 twos, right? I mean, you have the red, you
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have the three different colors in that set.
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That's really cool. Those are very, very popular.
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Dukes Duke cigarettes are very popular.
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You know, there's several out there that are very, very, very
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popular, right? And, and they're still
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affordable. A lot of them are still
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affordable as well. Yeah.
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But I, I think it's just personal preference, you know,
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like some of them have some of them have a really aesthetically
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pleasing back and some of them look really cool on the front.
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So, you know, just depends on the, the, the appetite of the
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collector, I guess what they like.
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Yeah, I I agree. And, and it's funny because I
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was telling you off camera a second ago, like a week ago, I
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bought 2 Teddy Roosevelt cards that haven't even arrived yet.
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After between, between then is when you said, yeah, these have
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been hot. I'm like, yeah, I just paid up
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for some. But so here's one in particular.
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So I just wanted to show a trajectory of value here to
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illustrate exactly what you just were saying.
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So this particular set is the N 346 and George Washington
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obviously is going to be one of the bigger names.
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And when you're talking presidential cards, So this card
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in an authentic sold for 368 and 288 back in 2024.
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In 2025 in a four, it sold for 5200.
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This SGC 2 just sold a week ago for $8800.
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Wow, so I didn't see that sale. It's crazy.
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Yeah. So when you talk about a four a
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year ago in PSA 5200 and then an SGC 2 goes for 8833.
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Now this is a record sale for this card, but it just shows a
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massive trajectory. Yeah, that sold.
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It was literally not even it was like a week, a week and a half
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ago. I guess it was OK here's another
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one. Same, same set here.
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This is no, this is the NN15 set.
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Sorry about that. This is the N 15 set.
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Ulysses S Grant. Again, not the biggest name, but
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still, you know a household name.
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Ulysses S Grant. This card in APSA Four in 2023
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sold for $300, and it just sold in APSA 5 for $4800.
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Wow. So I mean, we're talking about,
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you know, 15X and now granted a jump from A4 to A5, but this is
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a freshly graded 1, which there might be, you know, that might
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be part of it, But that's again, we're talking significant
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numbers where these cards used to be routinely in the hundreds
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and now they're jumping into the thousands.
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Now one of the more recognizable and most collected sets pre war
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non sport is the N 76. I have AI have a couple of these
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cards. My buddy Mookie Chilson has a
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couple of these cards. So this card, April 16th, 2024,
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OK, April 16th 2024 this 1.5 S two years ago, almost exactly 2
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years ago in a 1.5, this card sold for $338.
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The exact same card. It's the same exact card, just
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closed 10 days ago from when we're recording this for $1600.
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So it was a 4.8 X in literally under 2 years, which is just
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wild. I mean, it's, it's wild.
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And then I think I have one more.
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So this is the inauguration of Abraham Lincoln.
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There's a, a set of these where there's different kind of
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historical moments, you know, crossing the Delaware and
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there's yeah, they're very cool and they're more affordable.
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They're not as expensive as some.
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As soon as you get before 1900, the price tends to kind of jump
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up quite a bit. But this one went up 2.7 X
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still, it's only $410. But so I mean, this to me, I
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just wanted to kind of it's, it's easy for us to say, yeah,
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presidential cards have gone up. But when you actually see those
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numbers, you go, holy, holy goodness.
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Actually, you know, I had one more screen.
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These are the cards I just bought.
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So I just bought these a week ago.
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This is AT175 which this is 19 O one that the card on the left
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was printed. It came in a sweet cap
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cigarettes. It was on a panel and they were
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hand cut cards and 19 O1 is actually the same year that
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Roosevelt became president after an assassination.
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So he became president 19 O1. This is a 19 O1 card and it's in
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APSA 2, pretty freshly graded, sold for $245, which to me,
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Teddy Roosevelt, he's not a blink in a George Washington,
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but you know, he's in the mix. That still seems fairly
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affordable. And then this E 50 set is pretty
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cool. It's got a few historical like
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Western figures. And I got this SGC 3 was $389.
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Again, I just like the eye appeal.
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I thought they were cool looking.
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I'm like, I need to have those now, I guess.
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I guess let me just with you kind of hypothesize a little bit
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further more people have been talking about them, but why?
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I mean, these cards are 130 hundred, 140 years old in some
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cases. Like why in the last two years
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would they, do you think that they've jumped like what would
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be besides the 250th year thing? Like, because a lot of the times
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what will happen is like, I'll say, you know, I think vintage
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football cards are a good buy and people go, well, they've
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always been cheap, but they're going to always be cheap.
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Well, these were always cheap and now these have suddenly
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jumped. So what there's got to be more
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than just for coming up on the 250th birthday.
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Like in your experience in the market, what are the triggers
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that that make something like that happen?
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I think 1 you look at historically things that weren't
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really worth much now are and people just do some digging and
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investigating in that and say what else is there?
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You know, 'cause you know, the, the major, the four, the BIG4
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sports, you know, there's, there's still some cards in
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there that could be opportunities to really go up
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certainly all over the place in the four sports.
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But what else could there be? Right?
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Like my second thing that I was going to say is soccer, man,
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soccer, soccer has a lot of room to go up, right?
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But and there you go. Yeah, soccer is just absolutely.
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You have has massive potential. But you know, besides the 250
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year thing there, there's there's more and more
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documentaries coming out about history, America's history
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there. There's more and more things.
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You know what? One of the things that really,
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of course, makes Abe Lincoln stand out is what he did that
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created the Civil War, you know, and in in, in wanting to abolish
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slavery. And that's a that's a very
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popular topic all the time. So that makes him even more so
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iconic than even, you know, George Washington, arguably.
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So, you know, are there other things that people are going to
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really grab onto historically? Like, Oh my gosh, I didn't know
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that about this guy. I want to collect him because
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that's really cool. So, so some of that is just more
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people becoming more knowledgeable about Wow.
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There's there's presidential cards from pre war that are just
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out there. Wow, that's really cool.
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And they start looking into it and maybe they kind of similar
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to football cards like Wow, it's really affordable.
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I'm going to grab that and throw it in my PC and Fast forward now
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it's worth a bunch. Some are hitting the market and
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they start selling. Other people could see it as an
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investment, right? Like I, I think there's a lot of
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room to go up here. I think it our history isn't
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going away. I think it's going to continue
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to go up. So everybody has different
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driving forces that lead them into certain things.
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But ultimately, look at the numbers.
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I mean, it's definitely got up. And to be clear, like I will
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never say hey, buy this and buy this you will make.
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I will never say that. Of course it could go down 50%
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tomorrow. But I personally believe and I'm
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personally investing in soccer and pre wars.
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So I'm putting my money where my mouth is.
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Yeah, I believe it's going to go up.
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And you know what, honestly, if it doesn't, I'm not putting
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myself in a financial position where it's like, oh man, I'm in
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trouble now because they didn't go up like I'm, I'm, I'm hedging
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my bets, if you will. I'm putting some in there.
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Plus, honestly, I like it. It's cool.
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I'm not just doing it as an investor.
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I really do like PC ING some of this stuff too.
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Yeah, yeah, I, I love this stuff.
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Like the ones that I get in hand are just, they're gorgeous cards
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and, and they do. They're like little pieces of
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Americana. You know, it might partly be
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too, is that some cards have hit such incredible numbers that
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you're like, you know, this Hondas Wagner card, these cards
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had just sold for three, $4 million.
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And you're like, Hondas Wagner was was really, really good.
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That startled me. I was like, holy crap, what is
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that? It's your phone.
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That's funny when I think that Hondas Wagner was really, really
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good. But how do you make the argument
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that Hondas Wagner's more important than Abe Lincoln?
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And some of these cards that we're talking about, like Abe
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Lincoln or George Washington are rarer than the Hannes Wagner
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card. And so you're like, I mean, like
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the cards I just showed a second ago that I just picked up the
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Teddy Roosevelt cards, Like both of those are like populations
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under 20. And it's it's Theodore
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Roosevelt. I mean, a very important
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historical figure. So I think maybe part of it too
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is people are starting to consider cards to be a, a form
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of an asset class, an investable asset.
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And when you think of OK, well, let me think back 100 years.
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Who was important 100 years ago? Who are the most important
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people now? Baseball players were important
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in society and in American history for sure.
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Jackie Robinson, obviously, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, obviously, but
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so was so was Teddy Roosevelt and George Washington and Abe
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Lincoln. So all right, let's look at your
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second category that you threw out to me and a few examples of
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that. Now, when you say soccer cards,
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are you thinking more modern soccer cards or more vintage
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soccer cards? All of it.
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Like, what is what is it that you think of when you think of,
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yeah, soccer cards are going crazy.
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Both, you know, you look at a a messy rookie, right?
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I mean, some of the more valuable RIP, messy rookies look
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like a, you know, pretty boring paper card, you know, there you
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go. Right.
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And man, they're expensive, you know what I mean?
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So it's gone up tremendous. Yeah. 4X in two years.
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There you go 4X in two years. But at the same time I sold a
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Kaboom Messy and it had recently almost doubled in price in a
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very short period of time. Instead of two years, it was
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like 3 months, you know what I mean?
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Almost doubled in three months. So it, it's, it's really not
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isolated to older soccer or like vintage like Pele, you know, for
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example. It's really not.
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It's really not. He came prepared, man those.
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I'm always prepared. I'm a teacher.
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Always. Man, always it's not isolated to
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vintage, it's not isolated to like messy rookie era.
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It's not isolated to modern. It's soccer in general.
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And you know, Chris and I talked about this some on our podcast,
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but you know, at the end of the day, look what Fanatics is doing
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right? Right.
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Chris and I years ago said Fanatics is probably going to
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take over the world. You know, like they're just,
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they got their hands in so many things and they are definitely,
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you know, growing by leaps and bounds.
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But you know, one major thing that Fanatics really wants to do
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is touch other countries, the rest of the world.
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And what's the number one sport worldwide by far, Not even
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close. Soccer, right?
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My amazement, I believe the second one is cricket.
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I thought it was basketball, but I think the second one's
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cricket. So, you know, soccer has a vast
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untapped resource out there being other countries.
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And they are die hard soccer fans largely, you know, so there
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really is a massive, massive market for that outside of the
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US and inside of the US. It has so much upside that I
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personally have like I just bought a couple of Messy's and
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I'm I'm holding on to them. Will it be a good investment?
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Time will tell. You know, if something was a
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guarantee and we, you and I could identify it's a guarantee,
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it's going to go up. I mean, we'd be, you know,
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extra, extra wealthy, right? Because we can just buy it all
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and sit on it and we know exactly what's going to happen.
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So even though it looks like that, you never know what's
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going to happen, but I see enough evidence that I feel
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pretty comfortable in in buying some soccer cards.
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So I have. I've bought some soccer cards.
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Yeah, I, I think what you just said is a big part of it.
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I, I do think that Fanatics is going global.
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And if Fanatics does go global, then soccer is the biggest
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global sport. It just makes sense.
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And when you think soccer the, you know, vintage soccer, the
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first thing you think is Pele and then you think Miradona and
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you know, those are the two big guys.
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Then if you look so on the screen, I'm sharing, you know
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this, a lot of people would consider this to be Pele's best
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rookie card. He has several.
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So it's hard to say it this isn't my favorite of his, but
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this is. It's a big one, yeah.
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It's a big one. And it was averaging this time
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last year, it was averaging about $6800 and now it's
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averaging over $9000 just one year later.
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I mean, 34%. I mean, that's, that's an
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amazing run for the S&P, you know, and then you mentioned the
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messy. The messy has gone nuts over the
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last couple years. It was this is APSA 7.
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And in February of 2024, it was a $4000 card.
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Now that card is $15,000. And then I threw in Ronaldo
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because, you know, there's always the people that say
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Ronaldo's better than Messi, which I don't agree with, but I,
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I hear what they're saying. In that same amount of time, the
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Ronaldo was a $1700 card in a four, this is in a four.
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There's not a ton of sales on this.
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And, and in a four, it's now selling for 5000.
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So I think, I think what you just mentioned is, is important
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for people out there thinking about what do I want to, you
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know, spend some money on? Cuz again, some people are like,
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I don't care about value. Some people are all about value.
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My thought is this, and, and I've said this from the
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beginning, once I own a card, I don't really care about value
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unless I go to sell it, which I'm not usually planning to do.
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But the other thing is when when you buy a card, I tend to want
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to buy the stuff now that I think is going to be
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unaffordable soon. Yeah.
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So if I think presidential cards are going to go way up, I'm
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going to go buy my Teddy Roosevelt cards now instead of
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in three years after they've gone up.
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So to me, value matters even if I don't care about once I have
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it, it matters because I want to buy it while it's still cheap.
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And, and so, you know, when you, when you think about, OK, what's
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next? You know, what's the next thing
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that could pop? What are some other cuz these
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have gone up. I, I personally think both still
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have a lot of run up in them frankly, cuz you look at a
24:55
George Washington card versus a Mickey Mantle card and Mickey
24:58
Mantle's still way more, you know, valuable.
25:00
But but what, what are some other things you would look for
25:04
and what are some other things that you think are kind of
25:07
hiding in the weeds out there? Well, first, if I may, going
25:11
back to soccer real quick. Yeah.
25:13
So one interesting thing, you know, we we bought a a vast
25:18
largely pre war collection, but there was a lot of vintage in
25:21
there too. That was the post war and I
25:24
noticed that at the height of COVID 2021, right right around
25:28
there, man, Paylee cards were really high, really high.
25:33
And then if you look at those comps, as of you know, last
25:36
year, they they went way down. They were way less right.
25:40
So it's kind of a head scratcher.
25:42
Like was it just a market correction that happened?
25:44
Because if you go back and look like on VCP or card ladder or
25:49
whatever, you'll see that they were really high in 2021 pay
25:53
lays right? And then you look 202345.
25:56
They, they, they had dipped significantly.
25:58
So makes you wonder like why, why did that happen?
26:01
Why, why do you do you have any thoughts on that?
26:03
Like why you think that happened?
26:05
Yeah, I I think that I noticed that too.
26:08
And a lot of the Goats during COVID shot way up, you know, a
26:12
lot of the all time greats and pay lay is largely an all time
26:15
great. I think one of the things that
26:18
happened is we are going to be hosting the World Cup here in
26:21
June. And and so there's a lot of
26:24
attention on soccer in the US right now.
26:29
And specifically, I think the money is funneling into who are
26:34
the legends that will be on the screen right now.
26:37
So if you have money and you want to put it into soccer cards
26:41
right now, like we all know Pele, but Pele has passed, you
26:45
know, in the past years when Pele would be on the, you know,
26:49
on the sidelines or in the press box or making an appearance at
26:53
the drawing to see the bracket, Like those were reminders of
26:57
Pele's greatness. Now that he's gone, we're about
27:01
to see focus on Cristiano in his last run, you know, Messi in his
27:07
last run. I think that I think that's part
27:10
of it. Or people are saying they're
27:12
about to get all the attention and all the spotlight.
27:15
I also think to a certain extent, and I know this is
27:19
counterintuitive, when people pass, there's an initial
27:24
immediate spike because they're in the news and we're reminded
27:27
of their greatness. But then when there's that
27:30
spike, I feel like people flood the market with their stuff.
27:34
And when they flood the market, then the prices sometimes drop.
27:38
Like Willie May's cards are less right now than before he died.
27:43
You know, they spiked right when he died and then they they kind
27:46
of they fell off a little bit. Now, that's not every card, but
27:49
a lot of Willie May's cards did that.
27:51
Sandy Koufax, I mean, he's 91 or something.
27:55
Like I could see something like that happening.
27:58
So I think the fact that maybe there was a lot of people were
28:01
holding until he passed and then they flooded the market might be
28:05
part of it too. I mean, these are, again, these
28:07
are all hypotheses and, and I just, I love talking about this
28:12
stuff. And, and for me, instead of, you
28:14
know, just looking at numbers of what a card has done and up and
28:18
down, I like to think, well, why?
28:20
And if, if presidential cards just did this and soccer cards
28:24
just did this, what else is out there that could do this that
28:27
hasn't done it? And, and you know, I, I have a
28:32
couple of guesses. I have a couple of ideas on on
28:35
some things that could get some attention over the next few
28:40
years. I mean, do you have any you'd
28:44
throw out other than what you've said?
28:46
I mean, I have a couple. I will say more more broadly, I
28:52
guess than than than like this one card type of thing would be
28:58
if you look historically, let's let's just take Mantle for
29:01
example, OK? So if you look historically at
29:04
what a 51 Bowman or 52 tops Mantle has done in the last say
29:10
decade, right, versus a 67 Mantle and a four or something,
29:17
right, The ROI percentage on those two blue chip cards, the
29:24
51 and 52 are higher than the 67 or the 61 or the 62 or 60 or
29:30
5958, whatever. So I, I would say with, with
29:34
greater ROI comes the greater cards or I'm sorry, with the
29:38
greater cards comes greater ROI, but also greater risk to also
29:42
because you're paying more, right?
29:44
Makes sense. But historically, I would, I
29:46
would say there's a lot of evidence to support that if you
29:50
buy the top end cards or among the top end cards of a player,
29:54
then those tend to go up more percentage wise than a lesser
29:59
card. That's still a good card will.
30:01
So you know, whatever it is, whether it's, you know, a 32
30:05
caramel Lincoln or Washington or, or whoever it is, or you
30:11
know, a, a red or an orange or a blue, you know, there's three
30:13
different colors in that set or a Dukes or, you know, whatever
30:17
you're wanting to buy. Use your budget and whatever
30:22
your budget allows and whatever amount you want to put into that
30:26
card or any other card, whatever it is, then the the better
30:31
example that you can get would be my lien would be the better
30:35
example of whatever cards you want to go after specifically go
30:39
after that. You know what I mean?
30:40
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's sort of like they tell you,
30:43
you know, buy the most house you can afford, you know, same sort
30:48
of thing, like the little bit of a nicer neighborhood is going to
30:51
pay bigger dividends. And maybe that's partly why
30:54
we've been seeing some consolidation because a lot of
30:57
people are saying, why is there this consolidation movement?
31:00
You know, why are people getting rid of these other cards, which
31:03
are are great cards, but the lot of those cards are easier to
31:09
find right now and the prices are kind of dropping, but the
31:12
big stuff is going nuts. And I think that's, I think
31:15
that's on par with what you're saying.
31:17
And, and a 67 Mantle's a great card.
31:19
I love 67 Mantle, 60 mantle, 58 Mantle, whatever, you know, and,
31:23
and at the end of the day, there's a lot of evidence to
31:26
support that, you know what I mean?
31:27
But but what's really important is is like, don't lose sight of
31:31
the collector in US. You know what I mean?
31:33
Like I could collect a lot of different cards.
31:36
Most of what I collect is as a collector and I do have some
31:42
investment type things in my PC like soccer, for example.
31:46
Honestly, personally, I don't really care much about soccer.
31:49
I'm a baseball guy and football guy mostly, you know, but I have
31:54
some soccer cards because I have those as an investment piece.
31:58
They're not really, you know, not a collector near and dear to
32:01
my heart like a lot of my other cards are, you know what I mean?
32:04
But but I have them. So 11, just a word of wisdom, I
32:09
guess, in that and, and caution is don't overextend yourself to
32:14
buy something you think may go up because number one, it might
32:17
not go up. Everything we're saying we could
32:20
Fast forward this, take two years from now and everything's
32:22
down. You know what I mean?
32:24
So, but but just don't go too far in the weeds financially
32:29
with your budget. Do use wisdom and just, you
32:32
know, buy what you like at at the end of the day, there's a
32:35
lot of different things we can invest in Craig, that that could
32:38
be great investment pieces. I personally like to do it in
32:42
two ways. And I think this will be really,
32:43
I think this is interesting #1 when I buy a deal, I largely buy
32:49
collections. Now I do buy singles from people
32:51
and I might buy 5 to 10 cards or one card or whatever, but I, I
32:55
buy a lot of collections, a lot of set runs, a lot of different
32:57
things like that and huge T2O6 super nerd.
33:01
That's my favorite set of all time is T2O6, but I like to keep
33:06
at least one card from a deal that I buy because I have a
33:10
memory attached to that card. Oh, I remember I bought this
33:13
from that really nice older gentleman that collected packs
33:16
of RIP packs and see what since 1953 and he pulled this 53
33:21
mantle from that. I, I, I love this card.
33:23
I have a memory attached to it. So I like to click that way #1
33:27
and #2 I like to collect things that I feel are #1 I like, but
33:33
#2 that I feel are a really good long term hold or something like
33:37
that of, of players that I enjoy.
33:40
Because there's a lot of different options out there.
33:43
You can collect that you you want to make.
33:47
You want to make sure if you're spending 100 bucks, it's not
33:48
going to be worth 25 years from now ideally, right?
33:51
You do want it to be worth around what you paid or more
33:54
hopefully. But I would rather do that with
33:56
players I like and cards I like because I'm going to look at it.
33:59
I'm not just going to throw it in a vault and never look at it
34:01
again. Nothing wrong with that.
34:03
I personally like to pull them out sometimes and go through
34:05
them and look at them and appreciate them.
34:06
So I want to collect things I like and I want to collect
34:10
things that have a memory attached to it.
34:12
Yeah, no, I love that. And and a lot of the times the
34:15
memory attached to it, where you were when you bought it, who you
34:19
were with when you were bought it, who you bought it from adds
34:23
an emotional value which makes that card more valuable to you
34:27
than it does on paper, which makes it even more fun to have
34:32
in your collection. Now I want to transition briefly
34:36
too and, and talk about, again, we mentioned at the beginning,
34:39
but I want to talk about a little bit more.
34:42
So, you know, you started an auction house like a year and a
34:46
half ago, right? And, and, you know, I've talked
34:50
about it many times. CIA collector, investor
34:53
auctions. You guys just had your March
34:58
auction ended. And in fact, I, I think this
35:01
might be the first time I'm sharing this on my channel, but
35:03
I ended up buying 2 cards in that auction.
35:06
I'm going to put them on the screen here.
35:08
Yeah, this 97 Pinnacle Artist proof Jeter.
35:14
I absolutely love this card. That's cool.
35:17
Yeah, so I was thrilled. I, I got into a little bit of a
35:20
bidding war. I I ended up going a little.
35:22
Higher duped it out and won. I was like.
35:25
I'm not losing. I guess this was, this is only
35:28
like, I mean, when did this end like four or five days ago,
35:31
right? Sunday.
35:33
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was up in, I was up in the
35:36
Lake Tahoe area with my wife and I'm sitting there on my phone
35:39
like on that. Yeah.
35:42
Yeah, and then I also got this cool Metal Universe Diamond Soul
35:47
card, which isn't a super expensive card, but to your
35:50
point, it's an awesome looking card.
35:54
It's Derek Jeter, it's Metal Universe.
35:57
It's an insert. You know it.
35:59
It's not a hike, it's an 8, which in cards like that isn't,
36:02
it's not bad. And you know, I know everybody
36:05
thinks of me out there listening as like a vintage only
36:09
collector, but I've really been kind of expanding into some more
36:13
modern stuff too. Now, you had said to me before
36:19
we started recording that you had a few cards that you were
36:22
had sitting on your desk that you could give us a little
36:25
preview of an upcoming auction, maybe April, maybe May.
36:30
You want to show us a few of those?
36:32
Give us a little sneak peek. Sure, sure.
36:35
So the next auction is April 2nd to the 12th and everybody
36:39
watching the channel knows, you know that before it hits the
36:43
live, Theo and I will do a preview episode, which is always
36:47
super fun. And then Theo over on 4
36:50
Collectors is always doing the the live stream of the closing
36:56
of the of the auction. So show us what you got.
36:59
I'm going to put you on full screen while you kind of show us
37:02
and talk about what you got here.
37:03
Sure, sure. So everything I'm showing you is
37:07
from one of our consignors and he consigns monthly with us.
37:11
But there's a nice T2061 speaker, there is a Frank Chance
37:19
Old mill and a four. This is right up my alley for PC
37:22
ING. By the way, old Mill, old Mill,
37:24
Baxter, right in the sweet spot. They're not super expensive, but
37:27
they're not, they're not common either, right?
37:30
Right. It's right under my wheelhouse
37:32
and I have to temper myself sometimes because as you know, I
37:37
never have placed a single bid in my auction house and never
37:40
will place a single bid in my auction house.
37:42
Rightfully so. And you know, if I ever, I won't
37:46
ever. But, but if I were to, it would
37:47
purely be as a collector, I won't touch it with a 10 foot
37:50
pole because there's just too many.
37:53
There's too many people that do that and it's manipulative.
37:56
They're shell bidding. I I won't touch that with a 10
37:58
foot pole. So I see this stuff all the time
38:00
and I'm like, gosh, I really want that man.
38:03
Dang it. No.
38:04
And so there we go. That is cycle back.
38:07
Yep, Yep, Yep, that is. Cycle back.
38:12
Cycle 350. Yeah, Cycle 350.
38:14
So recycle 350 and recycle 460. We got a Mordecai 3 finger brown
38:20
and a three. Nice. 3-4 finger.
38:26
Then we have Oh yeah, here we go, Gibson, Rook and A6.
38:31
No, that thing is sharp. Yeah, it's off centered, but
38:35
it's. Oh, they're all off center.
38:36
Every Bob Gibson Rook is off center.
38:38
Definitely a lot of 54 maze and A7.
38:43
Nice. You.
38:44
That's a beauty, man. The yellow on that's glowing,
38:47
yes. I really like this card.
38:50
Man, this is pretty sweet. That's nice. 53 tops Jackie and
38:55
a six if you're listening. Yeah, sorry.
38:57
Sorry for the glare. Yeah, 53 Robinson and a 656
39:02
Jackie and a six. Nice.
39:07
And 54 McKee, Mantel and A5. Nice.
39:14
And this is gorgeous. 56 Maze and an 8.
39:19
Wow. Absolute, absolute beauty.
39:23
And last but not least, a 55 Jackie Robinson in a 5 1/2.
39:28
Several jackies and that's well centered one too.
39:31
That's a tough setting card too. I, I think one of the things I
39:34
like the most, love the most about this in owning an auction
39:38
house is it's like Christmas when I open my consigners items
39:43
because I, I never know what they're going to send.
39:46
And you know, many of our consigners, you know, they'll,
39:48
they'll text us pictures of what they're sending us just so we
39:51
can confirm we have everything. But others, they just sent me a
39:53
box and say, here's the tracking and I'm like, OK, we don't have
39:56
any idea until we open that box what's in there.
39:58
And sometimes there's a spreadsheet, sometimes they're
40:00
not. And we always videotape opening
40:01
it and everything. But you know, it's just cool not
40:05
knowing sometimes. What we're getting, it's just
40:08
fun. And even if we do know what
40:10
we're getting, because they they send us pictures or a
40:12
spreadsheet, we don't know what we're getting until, you know, a
40:16
few weeks before the auction. So it's still like Christmas.
40:18
You know what I mean? That's how I feel when the the
40:22
preview goes live. When the preview goes live, it's
40:24
like, oh, sweet, let's go. And it's just like, you know,
40:27
seeing what's in there. And then you start you start
40:29
hitting your watch list and you know, because I, I mean, in this
40:33
last auction, I had six or seven things I was watching, but then
40:35
it just over, you know, narrows, narrows as prices are going and
40:39
doing their thing. So last thing I want to ask and
40:42
I appreciate your time and you coming on.
40:44
And sharing your. Thoughts.
40:45
This is yeah, this has been fun. You know, there are, there are a
40:50
lot of auction house options out there.
40:53
And, you know, there's a lot of big names that people have heard
40:58
for a long time. And, you know, a year and a half
41:01
ago you said I'm going to, I'm going to do an auction house
41:04
too. Like what?
41:05
How would you say you're differentiated?
41:08
Like what's different about CIA auctions compared to some of
41:14
these other auction houses that are out there so that people can
41:18
just get an idea of, you know, why?
41:21
Why CIA instead of someone else? Both.
41:24
Both maybe as a consignor, but also as a buyer, Yeah.
41:30
Great question, fair question. Largely I'm a big fan of letting
41:36
the public answer that question, you know, because they are the
41:40
ones that had a vast majority in a way non bias opinion and and
41:46
experience. And what I mean that I mean, it
41:48
wasn't a close friend of mine the bid in the that that
41:50
consigned in the auction or something, you know, it's like
41:52
people that consigned to the auction had a genuine
41:55
experience. What was it?
41:57
And I've heard a lot of great feedback from our consignors and
42:01
from our bidders. So I, I love just letting the,
42:04
the, the masses in the public say, you know, answer that.
42:08
But in answer to your question, I care first and foremost about
42:12
the person, not the inventory, not the money.
42:15
That's the number one biggest thing.
42:16
I care more about you as a person.
42:18
And my care level about you doesn't reflect if you have a
42:22
$1.00 card or $1000 card right now.
42:26
Certainly more time and attention may be needed for
42:29
those bigger ticket items or something, but it doesn't make
42:32
you a lesser person because you have a $1.00 card.
42:34
That's my point. You know what I mean?
42:35
So I value people. I, I love working with people.
42:39
I started this because #1I I love this hobby #2 I love
42:43
networking and talking to people.
42:45
I'm a talker, so I really enjoy that heavily.
42:48
I love that. But as a consignor, I can sign a
42:52
ton of stuff to the auction house every auction and it
42:56
fetches very, very good prices. We have a very great bitter
43:01
base. A lot of just die hard
43:03
collectors and, and people that that really enjoy our content.
43:08
I've had several people e-mail me and say, Hey, I don't bid in
43:11
auctions, I bid in yours because I love you.
43:13
And Chris, I'm like, dude, thank you for supporting us.
43:15
Really appreciate that. How you liking it.
43:17
And they give me feedback and I reply to them.
43:19
You know, so often times a large part of my day is replying to
43:24
people's emails, texts and calls and just talking, you know what
43:28
I mean? Not, not a lot of times, not
43:30
even about a consignment, just just catching up with them, you
43:33
know what I mean? So I think that's really
43:34
important. The owner of the company's
43:36
calling you to see how you're doing.
43:38
Is that common? Right.
43:40
I'd, I'd love to hear from the audience.
43:41
I don't, I don't think so. Yeah.
43:44
But, you know, I really do love people, you know, and I want to
43:46
follow the golden rule, treat each other as you want to be
43:48
treated. Well, I would love to get it,
43:50
you know, to, to be appreciated and feel like I'm welcomed.
43:53
And, you know, I, I, I don't have time to call every single
43:56
bidder and every single consignor, every auction, but I
43:59
do the best I can. You know what I mean?
44:02
Another thing I think consignors really, I know they, they really
44:05
like is I pay very quickly, man, you know, Sunday night when the
44:09
auction's over, I'm off in time up till 1234 in the morning
44:14
making invoices, making, you know, working on the consignor
44:16
statements starting Sunday night, Monday morning, I'm
44:19
starting to pay consignors like I'm paying them out, you know,
44:23
and, and my goal is to get every consignor paid within 5 business
44:27
days. The majority of them are paid
44:30
within 3. Yeah, I, I, I was literally,
44:35
like I was saying a minute ago, I was up in Lake Tahoe when this
44:37
ended on Sunday and Monday morning.
44:40
I have like 3 friends that consigned in this month's
44:44
auction. And they literally when I woke
44:47
up, they said CIA already paid me.
44:49
And like, they couldn't believe it.
44:51
Like literally they couldn't believe it.
44:53
And I was like, yeah, I know. And, you know, just more
44:57
anecdotal, you know, my dad is he he consigned it's first time
45:02
in February. And he texted me and he said the
45:05
way that they treated me, I don't see any reason why I'd
45:08
ever sell anything anywhere else.
45:11
That's what my dad said. I mean, that's my dad.
45:13
Yeah. And and then you know the.
45:16
Last thing, sorry, that's hilarious.
45:18
You didn't know he consigned again.
45:20
No, I didn't. I didn't know he consigned.
45:24
He did a second consignment and I'm doing the preview for the
45:29
episode, you know, with Theo, which is super fun because
45:32
Theo's great and it's fun seeing the stuff.
45:35
And he goes, well, let's look at your dad's cards.
45:37
And I was like, my dad, my dad can sign last month.
45:39
They go, no, he said stuff it again.
45:41
I didn't even know it. So.
45:43
But yeah. And then, you know, the the last
45:47
thing I'll say about it, just to kind of, you know, you know,
45:50
make sure you know how I feel about you guys is every person
45:55
who I've interacted with, with CIA is been nothing but awesome.
46:01
Like you've been really good to me.
46:04
Chris Sewell, obviously a lot of people know him.
46:06
He's a great guy. Theo's a great guy.
46:08
I met Shrek at the West Coast card show.
46:11
What a sweet guy. Like what a sweet guy.
46:15
And, you know, just super happy and positive and kind and, and
46:21
you know, that's all you can ask for in this in the day's day and
46:25
age that we're in now. You know, you want to feel
46:29
noticed more than anything. And there's a lot of companies
46:32
that are taking people for granted and that's not the case
46:36
with you guys. So I appreciate getting to know
46:39
you over the last six months or so.
46:40
I think we first met at the National this year.
46:44
I'd seen you before and stuff, but you know, I just appreciate
46:48
everything that you guys have done and, and appreciate your
46:50
support of the channel. And, and it's, it's a privilege
46:54
to be able to, you know, be working with you guys and, and
46:57
communicating with you guys and, and you know, nothing but the
47:01
best for me and our community for sure.
47:03
So. Really appreciate it, man.
47:05
Yeah, thanks so much for having me on.
47:07
I of course I was excited about this video.
47:09
Yeah, we'll do it again. We'll do it again.
47:12
I like to, I like to have conversations from people who
47:15
are interested and love the same stuff.
47:17
So, you know, I, I try to cycle people in every few months and
47:21
you know, I'm trying to get through the last bit of my
47:23
school year, but over the summer, early summer, something
47:26
I'll bring you back on if you're up for it.
47:28
And we'll get more cards and see what's going on and all that
47:31
kind of stuff. So I appreciate you if you're
47:34
out there listening and you've not yet signed up either consign
47:39
or bid at CIA. Highly recommended collector
47:42
investorauctions.com is the website super easy to navigate
47:47
the website. There are a couple of times that
47:49
there was a little bit of feedback and people were saying,
47:51
hey, you know, it'd be nice if you put a lot number in and then
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boom, before you know it, they've got now a search by lot
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number. Like, you know, that's one of
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the beauties of, you know, a company that's not one of these
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massive mega auction houses is you, you it's like going to the
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local coffee shop instead of Starbucks is like they hear you.
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They they know you, they treat you good.
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And, and I sure have enjoyed it. So again, sign up over at
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Collector Investor Auctions if you haven't.
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Jeremy, I appreciate you coming on the Texas Snowman.
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It was a pleasure and I look forward to doing it again.
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Same here my friend. Appreciate you.
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All right, bud.