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Living again after loss or trauma · Divas That Care Network

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Divas That Care Network.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today's show, The Wow of Women, features the remarkable journeys of women whose powerful and extraordinary choices positively impact people's lives on a daily basis.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm very excited to introduce you to our special guest today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Marie Sumnett is a mother, four children.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's a grandmother of three.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's an author.
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  SPEAKER_01: an entrepreneur, an educator, a runner, and a mother who survived and continues to thrive beyond the unexpected loss of her daughter, Julia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Through her mission, Marie is an advocate for drug prevention, mental illness awareness, and assisting bereaved parents on their journey toward healing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Marie, it is just wonderful to have you on the show today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're so welcome.
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  SPEAKER_00: I sure appreciate the opportunity, Amy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you have quite a story, and I think it will touch a lot of people's hearts.
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  SPEAKER_01: But let's just get to know you a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, where are you from?
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you call home?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, born and raised in Appleton, Wisconsin, but I am now residing in Green Bay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, that's a wonderful place to raise children, too, which you did quite a lot
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  SPEAKER_00: of.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, for
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  SPEAKER_01: sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so what is your profession?
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  SPEAKER_00: So as you mentioned in my introduction, kind of, I guess you could say jack-of-all-trades.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, ultimately, I did go to college to be an educator, working mostly with elementary-age children.
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  SPEAKER_00: which, you know, I felt at the time, you know, kind of met my gifts and abilities.
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  SPEAKER_00: And today I would have to say that it was a good choice because, you know, as crazy as it can get around kids, right, it's just every time I walk away from the classroom, it's like I just think this is where I belong.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's a privilege to be able to work with kids and impact them.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I see them as our future leaders and, you know, people of tomorrow so that I'm hoping that I can make a difference in their life.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, education is my main role, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're lucky to have you, someone with your heart and your intention to make a difference.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you do make a big difference for these young people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do my best.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you also, I know you have so much going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: You do marathons, which is incredible, as a grandmother.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not so many marathons anymore, but I do still run.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Definitely another, you know, when you're a kid, you know, I did it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was fun, and I was fast, and I loved competing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been very competitive, McKenzie blood.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, as I've gotten older, it's also been a way to really connect with other people, including my friends.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, of course, just a time for me to get out and reflect, to be out in nature, and to just, you know, it definitely helps my health in general, right, on a daily basis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and inspiring to others as well that you've, you know, continued on through all these years
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  SPEAKER_00: to stick to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I hope so.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you also have your own home business as an entrepreneur.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I maybe share a little bit more about that also as, you know, when we get into my stories.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely a big part of my story and a part of why I am today because the business is really more of a mentorship experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, opportunity with a, or mentorship business with a, I call it a business opportunity with a business component attached because it was really the different aspects of the business as far as what we call personal growth habits that really helped to change, to bring change in my life, the change that I needed working through my daughter's loss.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, Yeah, let's talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's focus on, you know, the cause that's most near and dear to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, what difference are you committed to making for people?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, so, you know, as you mentioned again in the introduction, I'm a mother of loss.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was, you know, they talk about after someone has loss, you know, you know, trying to create or have a new normal, they call it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there were years after I lost my daughter, which was actually 10 years ago from this month.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they talk about you having a new normal.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'll be honest, for the most part, I hated that word normal.
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  SPEAKER_00: How could they call anything?
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  SPEAKER_00: How could they even use the word normal after you lose your child?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I Really, it's a new life.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no sense of normalcy since you lose a child.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can testify to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: My world was literally shaken.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had to, in a sense, start over.
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  SPEAKER_00: I remember when I went back into the classroom and trying to talk to my students about what had happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought of a couple analogies, but But what one of them was, I said, you know, think about if you got your thumb cut off.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like that would be like really bad, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And they said, yeah, it would really, really hurt.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you wouldn't grow your thumb back.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, some animals can grow their body parts back, but you wouldn't grow your thumb back.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I would have to learn to function without it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It would be really hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about how hard that would be, but I could do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was a good analogy for, you know, what it was like for me to have to learn to live again, where literally I did feel like I lost a piece of myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how was I going to go on without a very, you know, obviously a very important piece of my life?
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  SPEAKER_00: I learned that people don't realize, you know, people who have children, women that have children, you know you love them, you know, and I see...
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  SPEAKER_00: young women today with new children, you know, young children saying, you know, these are my world, this is my world, this is my everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think, yeah, you know, that's what children kind of become in your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when you actually would lose that child, you don't realize the deep connection that you had with that child.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know you love them, but you don't realize the connection.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I had to experience that, unfortunately, when I lost my daughter, that I literally felt like I lost a piece of myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so as time went on, I would say approximately five years or so, just really living in a real state of negativity and despondency and I told myself after I lost my daughter, even in the hours after I lost my daughter, I don't ever want to be a victim.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't let me be a victim of what has just happened to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was never that kind of a person.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I didn't know how to get out of that sort of victim mentality, I want to call it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's hard not to go there, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: I know a lot of people have things that happen in their lives, and it's hard to not...
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  SPEAKER_00: go to that, well, you can be happier, you can do this, but you didn't lose a child, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You didn't have this happen to you, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Look what I experienced.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I understand that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I more than understand that after having gone through it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I realized that maybe happiness wasn't a choice at the time, but I realized that wanting to be happy was a choice.
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  SPEAKER_00: that the work towards happiness is a choice, if that makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was a really big deal for me, kind of an enlightening moment, that I had a choice in doing what I could do to try to find that joy in my life again, to live a better life.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was the choice I had.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was really a lightning moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's an aha
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  SPEAKER_01: moment, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: A very big aha moment, no question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Part of it was because I had been watching my oldest son, Stephan, working through his own loss of his little sister.
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  SPEAKER_00: I saw that the way he was talking and the way he was acting and building his own life I saw that there was some positive things happening in his life, and I was thinking, I want that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want what he has.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is he doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: How is he making these changes in his life?
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was through this business that he was able to do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was becoming more of a leader, more confident, just feeling better about himself, and that's ultimately what I wanted.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to feel better about myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've learned that we tell ourselves, what I'm going to just come out and say, we tell ourselves lies.
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  SPEAKER_00: I asked myself, what was I telling myself after my daughter died?
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  SPEAKER_00: And most, I think, mothers would do this.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, as mothers, we're supposed to be the nurturers, the ones that, you know, protect our children.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so when something like this happens, even though you might not have anything to do with their death, somehow you're responsible.
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  SPEAKER_01: And
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  SPEAKER_00: so I know I had been, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I had been beating myself up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you go through an if only, if only I had done this, if only I had done this, or been this, or done this when she was alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I really had beat myself up with a lot of those statements.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I had to learn to figure out what were those lies and then what was the truth, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so through this business, we do a lot of personal self-development.
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  SPEAKER_00: We read a lot of really great books by great men and women, authors, speakers, Christians, just putting just a lot of truth into my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I started realizing things about myself and my own beliefs that was keeping me held back and keeping me stuck.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like you were learning how to live again.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Although in a
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  SPEAKER_01: new way, because maybe he hasn't even been conscious of kind of the mind chatter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: To the
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  SPEAKER_01: debris previously, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of us do this, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that we start telling ourselves things, and what are we telling ourselves?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it true?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or is it a lie?
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  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of us are believing lies, and that's what's keeping us held back.
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  SPEAKER_00: which is what I learned.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I also want to say I know it's not easy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not overnight.
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  SPEAKER_00: It takes, you know, I would say it took me months to start.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I felt I just could feel the bad, the negatives kind of fall away.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was really actually a very cool, you know, feeling to have that happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it was work.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a daily having to fill myself with the right thoughts and the right things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, You know, I'm also a Christian.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that that's a key part of why I changed is God.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm not going to say, it's very important that I bring that up because I know that, again, in the hours, I remember even in the minutes after they told us that they found her body, my first thought was, I don't know if I can go on living, but I feel like I have to.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know why I feel I have to, but I feel I have to.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know how I'm going to do this.
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  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, there were Bible verses and truth that came into my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: I knew one of my favorite verses had always been that God works for the good in all things for those who love him and have been called according to his purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I knew he loved me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I knew I loved him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I knew that somehow, there was something that was going to come from it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know what that was.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't feel like it was.
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  SPEAKER_00: I knew I was very far from that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I clung to, you know, verses that I knew held truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And even though I felt like I was hanging on by a thread many times during those first few years, I just kept seeking what was true.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, today I ultimately know that and believe that I will be with my daughter one day.
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  SPEAKER_00: If people had told me, tried to tell me things, you know, she's in a better place.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, for me, being in a better place was having her right next to me, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Better place wasn't in heaven, it was with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: But today I can honestly say I do feel she's in a better place.
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  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't say that maybe five years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I can say that now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I've
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  SPEAKER_01: just
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  SPEAKER_00: come a long way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you
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  SPEAKER_01: share a little bit?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you have.
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  SPEAKER_01: For our listeners who, you know, I want to touch on, I've heard you say that you want to be a voice for those who suffered injustice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, when I think of your daughter, I think of justice for Julia.
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  SPEAKER_01: But for our listeners who don't know, you know, Julia was only 21 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you share just in a sentence, do you feel comfortable sharing what happened?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you for asking me, Amy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Definitely a very important part of this as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my daughter, who is a non-drug user, who actually cares very much about health and fitness, kind of like her mother, she She was given a date rape drug, which is a sort of colorless, odorless, clear drug that was literally put in her water or put in water of some sort because they found in toxicology that she only had this drug in her system.
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  SPEAKER_00: No alcohol, just a lethal dose of this drug.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's called GHB.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the very, very tragic thing about all this was when the police who found her, this was down in Florida, and when the police who found her, they didn't do what's called SOP or standard operating procedures, which are doing things like collecting garbage, canvassing the scene, you know, talking to any possible suspects.
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  SPEAKER_00: They didn't do any of that in the first 24 hours.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as I found out, it was basically because they were sort of, you know, incompetent.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've often used the word corrupt, and I say corrupt because to me corrupt is people who aren't, you know, doing what they know they need to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so they didn't do those things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because of that, it was...
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  SPEAKER_00: As time went on, it's very difficult to solve a case or figure out what happened in a crime scene when you haven't done the things you need to do in those first 24 hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing that because I know it's not easy to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to give our listeners some idea of why there's such injustice around.
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  SPEAKER_01: revolving around the loss of Julia that is still to this day unresolved and that in fact you probably do have the answers the police didn't have, but now you don't have the evidence to prove it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you're still left with that incompleteness.
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  SPEAKER_01: So with that in mind, being that voice, how have you turned this passion you have for this cause into action?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you again for asking that question.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's several ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I've definitely come to peace that, again, I referred to God earlier as knowing that I'll be with Julia one day.
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  SPEAKER_00: I also believe that he is our great judge and that one day the perpetrators, you know, will be held accountable.
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  SPEAKER_00: But having said that, I also believe that God wants us to have justice here on earth if possible.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so...
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  SPEAKER_00: A couple of things I've done.
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  SPEAKER_00: One is I did write a book called Beyond Broken.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in my book, I didn't have...
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  SPEAKER_00: It's an
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  SPEAKER_01: incredible book, I might add.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: For
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  SPEAKER_01: those listeners, it's incredibly moving.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's sometimes even difficult to read, but I think it's very important for people to understand that this is going on all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you put a stop to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I highly encourage anyone that hears this to read my book for many reasons.
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  SPEAKER_00: To me, I see my loss and what I went through at least equal to or more than any other adversity you might have in life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so in my book, I do seek to, number one, help people through their own adversity, whether it's a loss or whatever they're facing in life.
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  SPEAKER_00: But number two, I do also expose the injustice that I have gone through.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do share important parts of my journey, the investigation, what happened, the following investigation, what didn't happen, and where I'm at today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, the book was published a couple of years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: Fortunately, there are some positive things that have happened since that as well that you're also aware of, Amy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think Amy actually helped me connect with a faith-based movie producer and then in turn a faith-based screenwriter.
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  SPEAKER_00: As we talk, the screenwriter is actually in the final stages of of a screenplay that he has written.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been in contact.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've had several hours-long conversations discussing the play that he's writing, which is hoped to be a feature film.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, the purpose of this book, of the movie, I do book talks.
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  SPEAKER_00: All of it really is for the main purpose of helping people, but also to expose the injustice I've been through.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was very, very disappointing and actually almost shocking for me to realize that we have organizations in our society, such as law enforcement, that we have always trusted in and believed to be there for us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in my blind faith, I unfortunately discovered a corrupt organization that was not out for the best interest of American people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I think it's important that we expose that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's not because just to solve my case.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's because I care about the next person.
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  SPEAKER_00: What about the next person or dead body that is found?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that person going to get justice, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: I care about making people in these very important places.
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  SPEAKER_00: I care about their, you know, their character and integrity.
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  SPEAKER_00: I care about that we have the best people in those places for other people in our society.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's really a bigger picture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is much more.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I want to point out, too, that your book is available on Amazon.com, Beyond Broken by Marie Sumnit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that, you know, this, as you know, I'm very committed to making sure this movie gets produced.
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  SPEAKER_01: When the time is right, perhaps we'll give our listeners a chance to contribute to this very worthy cause.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, one of the things that...
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  SPEAKER_01: that you've been quoted as saying, I'm intentional in everything I do because I've learned that life can be unexpectedly shortened.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've taken this incredibly dark experience and found a way to bring life and value to others as a result.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you would, as we close out, just please share with us, if you would, for you, what is it that that you're really looking to accomplish because it's extraordinary to me that you have found a way to make this be a positive thing for others.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really remarkable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, so like what's my ultimate maybe vision or goal in life, would you say?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think my ultimate vision is to show people that you can not only...
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  SPEAKER_00: live, you know, somewhat resume, I guess, your life maybe you had before you had tragedy or adversity, but you can more than live.
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  SPEAKER_00: In fact, you can make an incredible difference in the lives of people around you.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think, I believe, I shouldn't say I think because I really believe that we're all here to serve the people around us, to make the world a better place.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: And You know, and I guess unfortunately sometimes it takes going through tragedy ourselves to realize that.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so because our lives are short, like you said, and shorter than sometimes we realize that it's important that we make the most of our precious lives right now.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that's really my ultimate mission.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: And you are actively doing that, which is...
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Truly remarkable.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I can't thank you enough for sharing so authentically on such a vulnerable subject, being so transparent about sort of the dark period of your life that was inevitable in such an experience, and then bringing the inspiration and even the hope for maybe those who are in the midst of their own struggles right now that it is possible to get past it and actually use it in a sense, as the motivation to become more and do more in your life, and you certainly have, Marie.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Congratulations for the work, for the book, for the upcoming film that I know will be produced, certainly if I have anything to say about it, because people need to see it.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I do encourage people to read your book.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: And in the meantime, you know, we'll recommend it to our readers.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that...
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Even just hearing you speak to this and share your thoughts, I hear that you put value in everything you do.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is intentional.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I really acknowledge and applaud you for that.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Amy.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Amy, if there's one more thing I could just add, that I do have a website, www.beyondbroken.net.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so on that website, our listeners can learn more about me, more about my story.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: There's different links you can click on.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: One is I started kind of a blog post as well on there.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: And people are able to subscribe to a free, not always weekly, it's at least once or twice a month, I'll get a sort of a reflection piece from me where I write to share thoughts and then challenges.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: that they can apply to their daily life.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I just wanted to mention that.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's another resource, I guess, or way that I'm trying to help
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: other people.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's wonderful.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I love that there's actually an action piece included to really provoke personal development in people.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's lovely.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you so much for taking the time.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: In closing, I just really want to thank our remarkable guest, Marie Somnick, author of Beyond Broken.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: I want to thank all of our listeners, our producer, the founder of Divas to Care Network, Candice Gish.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: In honor of how far women have come, Candice redefines the word diva to mean a courageously self-assured woman.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Maria is certainly that.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: The Divas That Care Network is a community of like-minded people, one that offers women of all walks a platform for sharing their voice in the world.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: We invite you to join us.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Visit DivasThatCare.com to hear more inspiring stories and add your voice to the conversation.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Marie.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, everyone.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: And goodbye.