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Reformed Culture (Where We've Been, Where We Are, Where We're Going) · The Reformatory

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not for me, we could have had the benediction right there, that was so good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on everyone and welcome to the reformatory, the podcast for the local church, and by the local church, and we are your local churchman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My name is Josh, and I'm here as always with the man, the myth, the legend, the captain, Jack Berry, Jack, looking very Tom Kriges, so they are with your black tea.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I caught my quads or smoke.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Dude, my legs are absolutely fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're back in the gym.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you and I are unified in our weight loss endeavors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just deciding to do it differently.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're showing up all those nons that keep saying, you're fat, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they'll always say that because I'm Norwegian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, my head, I could be 140 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And my head, if you just saw my head, which is to be fair, what most profile picks are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I have that Norwegian head, they see my head and they, you know, you're fat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You just start.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Norwegian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have big heads.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get over it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm also fat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're working on it, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Working on it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Working on it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, no, it's, I'm excited for summer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're getting into, you know, most people get into, you know, trying to get their beach bot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to get my golf bot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is not as sleek, but I would say even more functional.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So looking forward to that, it's gonna be awesome.
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[SPEAKER_05]: come come packed him conference we're going to be too svelte svelte individuals re walking in be like who are these reformatory guys man they right they make them right up there in the p&o i think it what i don't know about that uh was it i started to do this last week so April may change the uh yes
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[SPEAKER_05]: uh, that's like maybe a couple months, it like I'm basically by the time the packed him conference comes around, I should be about in target of what I want to do as far as weight loss for.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but yeah, it can be awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to be awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You shall see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this is not a health podcast, so that's not what we're going to talk about today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about something that may be just as as an I, and that's reformed culture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, just yeah, it's going to be an interesting conversation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, it's both you and I come into the table today pretty tired and ragged and thought, you know what, this is something that's kind of been on our mind for a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, kind of want to chat about this a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, uh,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can't get to that yet because we've got some business to take care of and that is everyone's favorite segment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't forget to eat your instant grams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: this is don't forget to eat your Instagrams remember kids is not heresy if you believe it hard enough that is how it works speak in a heresy jack there's been no short of that this week my friend being Easter week and Easter week hits and the shenanigans abound
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[SPEAKER_03]: They just do and I have been inundated my Algorithm this week has been full of Crucifixion reenactments Specifically crucifixion reenactments where
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's just say Jesus comes down from the cross a little early, not quite finished.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and I have I've gathered three or four.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh Easter fails that I want to show you my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh because I take great glee in seeing the plans of the papas fall flat on their face figuratively.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in this case, Jack, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, let's, let's hit you, let's hit you with this one first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this one's out of Argentina, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, that's a literal telephone pole.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got to be up there at least 20 feet high.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's my first, that's the first observation here is we did like Easter Easter week just seems to be the week where we were Oshia takes a break.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now again, to be fair, this does look like probably a second or third world country, but homies up there are a good ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is not a
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[SPEAKER_03]: like when when when when when when we sing he's high and lifted up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is not what we're talking about in this instance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say it's like okay steady it steady me
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you expect, dude?
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[SPEAKER_05]: You better care about that, dude.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's put a kid up on telephone pole.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next slide, he's gonna stay out there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's... That's for her to let us out of the way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The wig comes off, dude.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it says... Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my goodness.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my goodness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's take it over to America.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You think in America, you know, we have it a little bit more lockdown.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like our technologies a little better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're, you know, a little bit more advanced, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got, we've got some safety procedures.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's take it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's take it to the American Church here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey Cat, there you go, Jesus!
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jesus, Jesus, it's been a wife, Peter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: God.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This guy on the right here looks like he got that like full armor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: God said, off to Christian bookstore.com.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He looks so bored.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it just, the whole cross being just comes out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I could watch these all day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love these.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, just just a couple more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's a couple more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This one involves fire pyrotechnics So let's uh here we go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got we got we got Jesus supposedly on top of a rooftop This is in some some some southern southern hemisphere country, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so like my question, he's checking himself making sure he's not on fire, my question, he's why with this guy, only where, why he's got the tidiest of why he tidies on, under this rose, isn't he's a mess, like actor, he's a mess, why, like you're wearing a robe, why are you, he's he's he's going full method acting he's going
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going full Daniel Day Lewis on this performance and the pirate techniques blow the rope up and he's sitting there and is what he tights the fruit of the loom just rocking it all right Jack last last
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last one we're going to hit here is one that I just I found kind of ironic I actually commented on this video as the reformatory because I couldn't I couldn't let it go I couldn't let it go but this is this will this will serve as somewhat of a of a transition if you will into our topic today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Jesus thank you Jesus, it's changed my stains Jesus, thank you Jesus,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've taken my stains or coming to my heart, be my Lord and Savior, take my stains.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to take your stain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wants to give you a new robe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a new robe of righteousness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to take your stain robe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: if you'll give it to hell.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so because we're watching way too many tied commercials.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, so what's the, what's the first thing we notice here other than yeah, he looks like he looks like the, oh, it's not the Michelin man, who's the, yeah, who's the guy, well, like, is it the tied guy, the bald guy, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all the, oh, the commercial mean Mr. you mean Mr. Clean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Mr. Clean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he looks like Mr. Clean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So my first observation of this is that he
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because the one
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[SPEAKER_03]: the one that he was wearing leaked through and stained the one underneath, which is completely and totally counter to the point that he was trying to make in that you're sin now, according to this demonstration, you're sin is so great, not even the robes of righteousness can
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, my last, my last observation, the guy behind like the pastor had to do everything in his power to signal this dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, no, it's time now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like take the robe off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Homey just stood here for a long time in the pastor's day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like come on, let's, let's, let's make it happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's hurry it up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why is that guy still has a face mask on?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why he the face mask is there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know why he's wearing a face mask and the pastor is not because if those stands are enough for the the volunteer needs of face mask, I'm concerned about the pastor himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot going on in this video.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the main thing is all of those stains, which are Easter code.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He looks like an Easter egg, they completely soaked through and stain his jumpship underneath, which is not not the point that you want to make to your people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Jack, it's this kind of stuff that I remember.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the like the emergent church okay like the emergent church movement of like the early to mid 2000s Rick Warren purpose driven life purpose driven church all that stuff right that got really big in the 2000s and and and and it's this kind of stuff that kind of was the fruit of that
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, we, they took the regulative principle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The emergent church movement took the regulative principle and said, we're good, you know, we're fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna go full normative, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And ran with it, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, obviously there's been churches that have been doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Long before the emergent church movement did, but the emergent church really, really made it popular, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it was, in my opinion,
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[SPEAKER_03]: an attempt to combat the emergent church movement, spurred on the movement that we would know today as the YRR, the young, restless, and reform movement.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, spearheads of that you had individuals like John Piper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: David Platt, Chandler, Matt Chandler, I'd say, Driscoll was definitely part of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kevin B.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Young, I think was on the fringes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who else am I thinking?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tim Keller, maybe, maybe, maybe Keller, a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they became in the early mid mid 2000s and then into the 2010s, kind of the
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[SPEAKER_03]: the spear, like the tip of the spear, the faces of this resurgence into interest into things like the doctrines of grace, Calvinism, right, all of that, all of this stuff, a more more regulative principle focused, which is ironic because most of those guys aren't regulative
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[SPEAKER_03]: It really did create this new resurgence and interest into reform theology, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it just kind of took off like wildfire.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And all of a sudden, you have, you know, the Calvinist my home boy T-shirts and, you know, missionalware and all of these things that are that are popping up where reformed theology has now turned into a brand and a culture, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I remember kind of growing up in this, in this, well, not, not like when I was becoming interested in reform theology and really starting to sink my teeth into it, it was right right before the YRR movement, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember coming into the YRR movement like really fascinated because wow, this really niche thing that I'm really, really interested in right now,
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[SPEAKER_03]: has a like it has like it's catching it's it's all the sudden it's cool to be Calvinist right whereas up to that point Calvinists I wouldn't say we're really known for being kind of the cool hip edgy crowd right but guys like Matt Chandler, Mark Driscoll even Piper in in his weird kind of weird uncleish ways right kind of spearhead of that um
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you really begin to see for the first time reform theology taking on a persona, which is very fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Skip forward 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not even quite 10.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say, let's say, yeah, maybe 10, right before COVID.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I would say 2015 to like 18, right in there, 15 to 19.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you have the YRR starting to die off as some of its like leaders are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Falling out of favor, let's just say, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mark Derskola has his blow up in 14.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Matt Chandler has his multiple weird stuff going on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People start really looking into John Piper's doctor and of justification and start getting kind of weirded out by that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tim Keller passes away, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Platte writes radical.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then everyone starts realizing that that book actually isn't that great, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you like you start seeing kind of these towers fall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would say you saw another shift, again, just for my persona, my perspectives, excuse me, from the kind of the the gritty, edgy, like a fliction t-shirt Calvinism, which is what I would call it, yeah, to more like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Debonier and Swav and finer things, which is where we got doctrine and devotion, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which you begin to see a pivot and again, I'm not at all racking on doctrine and devotion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love doctrine and devotion, it's fantastic, but they hit that wave at a perfect time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because now we go from a fliction tease to leather bookbacks, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now the culture is about the notebooks and the theology books and the, you know, you know, cigars and bourbon and all this stuff
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[SPEAKER_03]: And with that comes, I would say, a benefit from that, a kind of refocus of this new Calvinism, I would say, you know, mile long inch deep understanding of reform theology into confessional theology, historically rooted, time tested,
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[SPEAKER_03]: actual reform theology, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and that lasted for a few years, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's I think, and I think I could be wrong, and this is maybe maybe where you can speak on this little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: From our conversations, I think that's where you started coming in to reform theology.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you, yeah, right around there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you kind of missed the, the heyday of the YRR and kind of jumped in in that kind of middle ground, or were you kind of on the tail end of a young restless?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I would, I became a Christian 2006 in college.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so I was really influenced.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I would say at that time by Driscoll lot, especially my senior year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We were like full, the guys in my Parachurch ministry on campus were full into Driscoll.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, at least I wasn't about three or four other guys were.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I wouldn't say we were Calvinists.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I wouldn't call myself a Calvinist And I still risk almost barely a Calvinist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, seriously.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, even when I became a member at Marcil, you know, after college, maybe like a couple more years later When I finally got resettled back into the Seattle to come at area
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[SPEAKER_05]: I still wouldn't say I was a Calvinist, even though he had really strong messages for he would put up our minnism on one side and Calvinism on one side and he said, you have to pick and I would go into my community group, I'm like, I don't want to pick.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I would be really staunch on it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I really was a souled on either side.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just wanted to kind of be biblical at that point and wanted to follow the scriptures and not get too deep into theological kind of tug of war.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it wasn't until after I got out of the army after I moved to Central Washington is that that's when I started.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's when I would say that's when the first, I was specifically looking for this too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was looking for any reform Baptist podcasts and all of a sudden, Doc and Devo.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yep, it's their first podcast on YouTube, which was so rough.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was rough.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was a rough cut, but it was good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I wanted to hear.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to hear pastors tell me about how you've incorporated confessionalism.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Because I saw some, I saw Marcel blow up at that point.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I saw a lot of stuff go down and I
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[SPEAKER_05]: And, but again, too, I was trying to get back over to the West side, too, and I was still, I would say, at that point, by 2015, by the end of 2015, I was way more confessional than I'd ever been in my life to the 1689.
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[SPEAKER_05]: that I felt I put my flag in the sand there and kind of drew a line in the sand that I was at that point reform Baptist when I started looking all that stuff up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was like by the end of 2015.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I came back over to the west side in Washington State by 2017 and it was still, I was at a church that was
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[SPEAKER_05]: Act 29 adjacent former Marcel Church.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it was the former Marcel Church that I was a part of into comma that just went independent.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's all it was.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so, um, and then I just really started to be like, I really started to listen to Mark Dever a lot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I really started to get into expository preaching a lot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I was in seminary.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I started to get into more church history and exploring that, exploring the reformation, exploring early church history as well, too, all that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I just really, we were going, then I was about maybe a couple of years into seminary, maybe a year or two, and then COVID it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's when I think there's another pivot point right there as well too, where I think that's when you have the Christian nationalist come in.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and that's and that's kind of I feel like because they've they've always been lingering.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think even since the 90s they've been kind of lingering, but I feel like ever since I felt like Trump's first President Trump's first term.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They weren't quite prominent because they really didn't know what to think of them and they wanted to then they wanted to then they started to get behind them in 2020.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I remember
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it lost and now it's just like everything that's like the floodgates are coming back in and so yeah well and what's interesting to see about that is that because again in my experience and from my perspective, you
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[SPEAKER_03]: like a lot of this started with the YRR movement or you know you can make the argument it started before that but I think we really begin to see the flame starting to take off with the YRR and that the YRR attracted primarily young men yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: who I would say statistically again there's always outliers but but buy in large struggle with maturity discernment and controlling their emotions.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well I think on top of that too I think a lot of those guys I think what we had in a similar case as well is that we didn't have
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[SPEAKER_05]: really get relationships with our dads or we came from sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I remember my family was not a Christian family.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't grow up in a Christian family.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so when I saw a dress school, I just remember going to my church, which was a four square church, charismatic, very emotional.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I say very much like
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[SPEAKER_05]: everybody always cried and stuff like that and it's just like can we it's like and and then I and then our pastor started to rail against Calvinism in his sermons every now and then he'd sprinkle that in sure and I'm just like wait what is this and so I think a lot of guys start to become
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, more, how should I say it more denominationaly, looking back denominationaly into history more.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I feel that's when people went from going into charismatic churches to going, I want to look back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: at least to a certain age of the presbyterians and the baptists.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so I felt like a lot of people just kind of ejected out of that and went to either being a baptist or being in a presbyterian
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where I was going with that is that you had though you had the YRR which attracted a lot of young guys, which have a lot of zeal a lot of energy and Not a lot of wisdom with where to put that right you got guys like Mark Driskell who I think understood that those relational factors were there with a lot of guys and and their fathers and he exploited that like he did like he that is something that he keyed in on very again Mark Mark is he's one of the greatest opportunists
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[SPEAKER_03]: that that's out there right now like he sees the moment and he he sees it for it for is benefit he's great at it
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[SPEAKER_03]: But from what I saw, Jack, you had three different paths out of the YRR and primarily like I saw this primarily within kind of the X-29, but I think it's just the YRR in general, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, because the YRR was not confessional, they were Calvinistic and by a large Calvinistic and charismatic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: like that's what they were.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were Calvinist charismatic, which so really not a lot of historical context, just they had a lot of feels and they had a lot of fire, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's that's the YR movement.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a lot of fire and a lot of feels, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I would argue that the YR
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to say that it was void of doctrine, but I think that the reason it took off so quickly was primarily emotionalism because it captured the hearts and the minds of the young folks.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you look at the style of preaching, too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you get all of, look at all of the preachers during where our, yep, all of them are all of them are, all of them are sellers, all of them are emotional, yep, all of them, I wouldn't say are composed, yeah, when they're, when they're up there preaching, they are just railing, sure, which I'd be like, I would never do that if I preach today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's just not shepherding your people well in a local church.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's like one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's one effect that I see in my local church where even my pastors we've talked about this before.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're not going to yell guys.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to go up on stage like Driscoll and
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[SPEAKER_05]: say how dare you or start going up and doing and just screaming, you know, at times.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then they tried to rehab their image there, especially when Driscoll, everybody found out that he was kind of, you know, juicing up his book and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so, and then he started to kind of put out, you saw him change.
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[SPEAKER_05]: over time literally from the reflection stuff to like he's wearing tweed now jackets oh yeah and like trying to be the dad figure and all the other stuff yeah for sure and so I feel like that even YR was kind of going through that stage period until right up about But up against like I said 2015 Where that's when doc and diva launched and it's like
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, now we're getting into this more sagey sage stage stage stage stage stage stage stage stage right sagey version more more steady like everybody wants a steady now forget the man cave everybody wants a steady now right and even like I felt even to like John MacArthur kind of summed it up when he was having his beef with Driscoll he would say well you guys are just grunge Christianity
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I felt to a certain extent like that's kind of what where our was in to some extent and Now more people wanted that I think going backwards more Well, I want to go back or like okay, we kind of hit Calvin how about we go back to maybe like Luther Maybe back even a little bit further and more and more and more and keep doing that, but
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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I think that that's kind of one iteration of it as well too, but well and and and and what's interesting about it
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[SPEAKER_03]: is that you have again like I'm trying to build the case here that so much of our cultural movements have been based primarily off of emotionalism.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you saw it with the YRR.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The YRR guys went to one of three places.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When YRR kind of ended, you had three places that the YRR went where you see them today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You see one, they just went full charismatic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, they went, they went market risk goal, right, Calvinist is for, you know, dudes with daddy issues, which is ironic because you were the guy that like wanted all the dudes with daddy issues.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So conveniently forgot about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they either went full charismatic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They went confessional where you and I went.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or they've gone Christian Nationalist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the three primary avenues that I have seen, the vast majority of people that were in the YRR movement land.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, obviously there's outliers, but those are the three main ones, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would say that looking at the progression of if you want to call it reformed culture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We see the why are the cage stage, the grunge, the affliction tease all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We see that transfer into the more sage stage, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you were talking about the the the smoky bourbon and leather book bags and studies and things like that, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're a little bit more mature now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're a little bit more, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I would say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: even though it did result in I would say more individuals becoming interested in confessional theology, which is good, celebrate that 100%.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, like Doc and Devo, you know, Joe Thorne, like those kind of younger 1689 guys had a lot of sway in that and the Lord used that and still
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you know, you know, I mean, Jack, Jack very much dock in Devo, um, you know, dock in Devo, God, you stock in Devo to kind of secure where I was in that moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Be like, oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's, there's, there's younger guys in this, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but then we're like, there's still a lot of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: where there is still emotionalism wrapped up in it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't like vibes are not a good foundation for anything, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you have those really emotional young dudes who were in the YRR, either follow the emotion and go charismatic, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get shepherded by some faithful men in local churches and go confessional, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or they find the next outlet for their emotion, for their anger and for their zeal, because they have not grown up and they've gone Christian Nationalist.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is where we are now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we've seen the iterations of reform culture and what we're moving into now is some sort of weird conglomerant of all of them in that you have like confessionalism, like pite, like peaked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now what I am seeing Jack, and I want to know if you're seeing the same thing, is I'm seeing a lot of guys now claim confessionalism
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[SPEAKER_03]: that do not hold to the confession.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're still holding on to the brand, but they don't know what the brand is actually about, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they think, oh, 1689.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That means that we're in the cigars and Calvinism and old church history and all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can do that and be Christian Nationalist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can do that and be, you know, this, this, I can do that and be somewhat curious, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you really can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it just shows me that you don't understand confessionalism, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, you don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this is, this has been brought up with many of the kind of Ogden guys, especially, I think, is that they have not, they have drifted off of certain stages of theology in order to get people in.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's, that's a really problematic thing because if you say that you're 1689, but you're sure if and your church does not really confess to that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I've seen some of the Ogden guys who are just like, oh, well, our church is 1689, but we will admit
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[SPEAKER_05]: Babies who have been baptized in the Roman Catholic church is like Yeah, they're just making them through the rules.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, at that point it's like choose your an adventure Yeah, it is yeah You don't want to stick you don't want to be baptized because here's the thing being baptized means that you are for
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[SPEAKER_05]: religious liberty, meaning you are not for a specific denomination being in charge in the head of the state.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Because if there's anybody within at least Baptists know this, if there's anybody that knows this, Baptists were the people that got killed, yeah, can England for being not being Christian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you claim 1689, you should be at the top of the list of people that don't want the
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[SPEAKER_05]: and it has nothing here's the other thing so many people use this argument well all the muslims and hindus are going to take over america and stuff like that and it's like guys i i think you're missing the mark here you're missing the point in that america is just the mission field it's not the way of dominion
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, but all those guys are, the all those guys are about Dominion and very Dominionistic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, I think a lot of guys went that way where they just like went out, veered from being in that kind of like I said, like we talked about that 16-year 9 club and veered over to Christian nationalism, but hold to that, but really don't understand that to be quite honest.
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[SPEAKER_05]: through study and listen, I think listening is one part of it, but also this is comes back to our point, being in a local church that actually witnesses to that and preaches that on a daily basis, I don't think they had that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that's, and that's my point, is emotionalism is the enemy of wisdom and discernment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying emotion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Emotionalism is the enemy of wisdom and discernment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You cannot act in a wise and discerning manner while at the same time acting out of your fallen emotions, because discernment and wisdom come from the word of God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Emotions come from the flesh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One of those is fallen and the other is not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: right, and you have these guys who followed that emotional train because it gave them an outlet for their zeal, it gave them an outlet for their anger, it gave them a way to process to big feelings that they've got, sorry, and that's why they plugged into the IRR because it gave them that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would argue that's why they're going into all of the CN stuff right now because it's giving them an outlet where they can fight and these guys want to fight, they haven't learned how to be, you know, peaceful swordsmen in the vineyard, right, which is what we're called to be, right, it's not that we're called to be pacifists, but we need to understand that our kingdom
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[SPEAKER_03]: is not of this world, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, like you're so if focused on other religions taking over America, you forgot the promise that there's no religion that's going to take over the kingdom of God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If the gates of hell itself cannot stand against the cause of the gospel, why do you think Muslims will?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What makes you think China is going to do that?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, here's the thing, too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like a lot of these Christian nationalists think that America is the kingdom of God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's the syncretism that we go back to.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's just like, well, our country and stuff like, it's like, guys, it's like, I'm just here to I'm Pastor, baby.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just here to be a missionary.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's all I am.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I happen to be, I happen to have given, be given the, the rights and privileges there of to be a citizen in the United States of America, I don't think this is the kingdom of God.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think the church is part of the kingdom of God.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In of itself, the land is not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So as we look to close the up, okay, that's where we've been.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is where we are, where are we going, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's the next iteration of this, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am of the, like, I advocate that we have to break away from this vibes and, like, reformed culture as, like, a brand and really get into the centrality of the local church.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the centrality of the pastors of those local churches being the primary disciples of their people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: right because again like all of these guys they're they're they're falling after the young folks that's what they want it's very obvious right uh like I think I saw I thought some web and post something the other day where he was at a conference and he's like like one of the things he said I forget the tweet I'm paraphrasing what he said if if the if this conference or whatever told me anything it's that the
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you want, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you know that they lack wisdom and discernment and they're easily swayed by emotionism like you were, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now you're grifting for them just like, Driscoll-grifted for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, a master is not greater or an apprentice is not greater than his master, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I would advocate
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a large reason why we still do this podcast is that I think the answer lies in the local church.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If we want to, if we want to see that returning back to that historical understanding of confessionalism, what it means to be reformed and not get caught up in the emotionalism of the day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And all the different facets that we see it playing out in our, in our day and age today,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's got to start with a local church.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to get our local churches on board.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to have qualified men in the pulpit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to have a correct understanding of our polity of what we believe and why we believe it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we stick to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we don't let emotional young men, and I'm using young men in not, not in terms of age, but in maturity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of 50-year-old boys out there that aren't fit to lead churches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can't allow them to have the ears and affections of our people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, like I think that there could be a continual resurgence into confessional historical theology, but I think it's got to start with the churches man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we got to get away from this trying to find a vibe or make a brand or, you know, see ourselves as some sort of crusaders, you know, defending the Holy Land.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And get back to what Jesus calls us to do and preach the gospel and be faithful to our churches.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think, too, something that maybe on the rise or maybe ahead for us is a lot of people are gonna come out of, I think, the next couple years, very,
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[SPEAKER_05]: disingenuated from a lot of promises by I think our current president, who kind of co-opting himself into Christian nationalism as well, too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And just didn't follow up on any promises he kept.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, and this is still time seeing real time we're seeing that in real time folks Um, and so that's just that's just reality right now as of you know April 7th, 2026 But um, why are you also obsessed with the Epstein list?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's wrong with all of you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't you have better things to worry about?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think there's going to be a, there might be a falling out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is just, I mean, oh, it's going to split.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's going to be a falling out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then people are going to say, why was I taken for a fool in this way?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, I can tell you why you followed your emotions.
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[SPEAKER_05]: it goes back to that but also goes back to just the grift man and i think it's going to show up and maybe i would hope that maybe a reformed culture comes back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: in which maybe we're a little bit more unified, maybe a little bit more brotherly instead of like going around basically pointing the fingers saying you're not, you're not faithful enough.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But yet again, that's been such a huge, that's been the biggest stain in reform culture is you are not truly reformed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I would hope that maybe out of the next
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[SPEAKER_05]: two years.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe we start to see, okay, I was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe we start to see that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe we start to, and this, this kind of goes back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've seen in church history happen to where the people who stayed true, but don't pass judgment on those folks just say, yeah, I'm willing to
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[SPEAKER_05]: maybe there's something on the horizon like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Or maybe there's not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Either way, the future is the local church.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think, and I think the future is also regionally as well, too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's nationally anymore.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's more regionally based versus nationally based,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I think especially after maybe the next year, I think that's going to be definitely true.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, that's, that's, that's kind of my two cents as well too, but yeah, the way the way forward is look at what's going on around you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's your mission field.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, your local church is your mission field.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You are a missionary in your local church to the community, the city, the town.
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[SPEAKER_05]: any place, the hamlet, the village that you may be in, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's the place where you give your life to.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so I would hope that as more people would maybe, who are disingenuated with what's happened with Christian nationalism and the co-opting of governments and stuff like that, they would come back to a confessional based understanding of reform, theology.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and then really sink into their local church and start discipling.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, start giving their life away that way.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Instead of trying to, you know, be a part of the movement to take over and, you know, try and dominate and be a part of power and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, that's, yeah, it's my two cents.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hopefully that happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I could be proven wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, I think I think just like we saw in the YRR, just like we see now, there is always a remnant.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There is always a remnant of very faithful men and women that are holding to true reform theology, that aren't letting the culture dictate how they view reality, that aren't following their emotions, but following the Word of God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those individuals have always been there and they always will be, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe we need to be content with that pool being a lot smaller than we would want for a little bit and some of these more emotional individuals and movements kind of have to, you know, it's like a burning star.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be really hot and bright for a little bit, but it's going to fade out because at the end of the day, just like the wire are movement.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it doesn't have roots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I really do predict this whole Christian nationalism thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be a flash in the pan just like the YR arm movement was because it's based primarily on emotionalism.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And people can all like anger and emotionalism can only last so long and is only so deep of a foundation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and we're still going to be here when that movement is up and these guys all either disqualify themselves or come to their senses and come to a correct understanding of how Christians should live in this world and it's going to die and it's going to happen and you know time stamp this episode when it does come back to it because it's going to happen
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[SPEAKER_03]: question is, are we being faithful in the midst of it to make sure that when those people who are burned by those movements, realize they've been duped, they have a place where they can land and be disabled.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what a local church is really need to make sure that, you know, we are discipling our people correctly, not through emotion, but through the word of God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what's important.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jack, my man, fun topic, fun discussion with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love talking to an obscure reform theology.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's always fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Jack, why don't you get us out of here, my man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We would also appreciate if you want some more of the exclusive content.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can head on over to the Patreon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's $5 a month.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's all it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to go up unless the government makes us, which you never know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They might fit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's not going to go up on our watch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like that Costco hot dog.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It ain't moving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Our Patreon is like the Costco Hot Dog, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You get bonus episodes there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You get this episode before everyone else.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You get exclusive reformatory chat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of fun happening over on the Patreon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: $5 a month.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you choose to do so?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Our pledge to use each other name.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Chubby, hello.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hallowed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hallowed through the halls of the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is our pledge to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We thank you all for listening and we will catch you on the next step of the reformatory.