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Into the Weeds Ken Mains Cold Cases, Killers and Unsolved Mysteries · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Into the Weeds podcast
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on military Broadcast Radio. I'm Amber.
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Thank you for joining me today. I'm really excited about a
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conversation today. My guest is Ken Mains, a Marine
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veteran, a former law enforcement investigator, a cold
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case investigator, and an author whose work I've followed and
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admired for quite a while. And one of the things I admire
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about Ken is the balance in the way he investigates.
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He has that old school, hard nosed approach, but he also does
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the legwork, reading the records and talking to people.
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But he's also willing to follow the new evidence and use new
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methods and says when he gets something wrong, it doesn't seem
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like he's afraid of where the investigation might take him.
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And I truly respect him for that.
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So I'm going to bring up Ken Mains.
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The interview of the week is brought to you by Jersey Mike's,
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a sub above. Hello, Ken, and thank you so
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much for joining us here on Military Broadcast Radio.
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Hello. Thank you for having me.
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It's an honor. Yeah, I have followed your work
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for quite a few years now and the one thing that I like about
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you the most is how hard nosed and unapologetic you are.
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Well, I, I think I've changed that a little bit in the last
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couple of years and become a little softer.
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I think a lot of that has to do with my faith and my my cool
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case investigation, if you will, on Jesus, which which I did
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because I was looking into religion and I wanted to know
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some things. And it got me on a path of, hey,
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let's investigate Jesus like I like I would a cold case and let
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me see what I find out. And what I find out has turned
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me into a Christian. And I really have softened my
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approach because of that, I think.
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I love that and I did not expect you to say that.
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And that and the fact that that you're approaching that in that
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manner just makes it more, you affirm more to me that you are
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where you're supposed to be. Yeah.
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Well, and I thank you for having me.
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I don't do, as I think you probably know, I don't do
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interviews often, especially podcasts.
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I, I've, I get a lot of requests and have in the past and I just
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don't do them because I'm not so much a people person.
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I prefer to stay by myself and do my own thing.
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But recently had a, a health scare, you know, where I was in
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the hospital intensive care for a while.
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And when I came out of that, I didn't have the great, you know,
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innovation that I've seen the future or anything like that.
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But it made me think there's a lot of people out there that
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have been loyal to me or are fans of mine that I didn't give
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them. I think the appreciation or
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respect that I could have. And so I'm trying to change
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that. And I, you know, and doing more
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podcasts and, and talking more and being a little bit more
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maybe friendly. I totally get it.
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But I love that. I love that 'cause I have seen
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where people are like always got the comments off, you know, and
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can't say anything, you know, so.
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Yes, well, and that's one thing that I, I don't know if I'll
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ever change. I just don't it's hard for me to
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like comments I. Get it?
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That's the one thing when you introduced me about saying that
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I was old school, that's one of the things that I'm very old
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school about is respect. And when I get disrespected or
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anybody gets disrespected, I, I do not like that.
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And I see it obviously more in social media than you do in
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person. So, you know, like, you know, my
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wife would tell me, hey, 9 out of 10 of your comments are
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nothing but praise. You have one person that says
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something stupid and then you punish everybody.
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And I said, you know, yeah, that's not fair.
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I remember watching Guns and Roses and having Axl Rose storm
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off of the set because one person, you know, that he didn't
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like in the audience. And I was like, man, if I was at
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that show, how upset would I be that, you know?
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But I guess I relate to Axl Rose more the older I get.
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No, the older I'm getting and the more I'm doing Internet,
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turning the comments off sounds really appealing.
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Yeah, there's some rude people out there and it it's a shame,
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but you know, I'm trying to navigate around that and, you
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know, just, I don't have the comments on and that's just the
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way it is. But doesn't mean I don't care
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about people's thoughts or their feelings.
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Yeah, no, I get it. OK, so let's get into your
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military background. You are a Marine veteran, once a
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Marine, always a Marine. So can you tell us how why you
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went into the Marines and how that helped you and your
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investigative work? Well, I think there was twofold
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1 is my dad was a Marine Corps veteran, a Vietnam veteran, had
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two Purple Hearts and he wasn't a big show it that I'm a Marine.
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You know, we didn't have the Marine Corps flag in our yard or
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anything like that. But I knew he was a Marine and I
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knew that he was a great man and had great character and I wanted
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to be just like him and he never pushed me in that direction.
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But the other half of that is I was a very cocky teenager and I
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thought I was Billy badass all the time.
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And the Marine Corps, of course, you know, that's what they're
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known for. And so because of both of those
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reasons, I wanted to be in the Marine Corps.
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And I knew, I mean, I knew that would make me a good and better
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person because I saw that it did that to my dad and I knew it
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would help me get a job and, and things down the line.
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And so I went in the Marine Corps had four fantastic years.
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It was the only time I felt I was included in something where
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I felt a brotherhood, felt that in the Police Department.
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I never felt that since then and most of my time was with a small
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unit special operations training group, which was on Onslow Beach
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and North Carolina. I did all the admin work for
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them and it was just, it was a great, great experience and I'm
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probably the best choice I ever made.
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Yeah, OK. Yeah, I think honestly, in my
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opinion, the army was the last brotherhood that I experienced
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as well. You know, and, and even as a
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Christian working in ministry, you don't get that.
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Yeah, yeah. That's unfortunate.
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That's been really sad to see, but yeah.
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OK, so how did your investigative work?
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How did the military get you into investigative work?
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How did you go into that from the military?
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Well, initially when I joined the Marine Corps, I was 17 and I
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remember sitting at sitting at the table and having my dad have
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to sign papers for that. But I wanted, you know, I
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remember Gunny Alonso, he was my recruiter, and he's sitting
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there with this big long checklist of MO s s of what you
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wanted to do. And I wanted to be a military
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police, which is crazy because I never wanted to be a cop.
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I always wanted to be a detective.
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But looking through everything, I thought, well, my military
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police, well, he said, you can't do that.
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You got to be 19. And I was like, he's like, yeah,
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pick something else. And there was nothing else on
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there that appealed to me. And I was like, well, I don't
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know. And I remember him distinctively
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looking at my dad and saying, you know what I'm going to say?
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And he looked at me and said, you either want to be a Marine
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or you don't. And I was like, all right.
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And I looked at my dad. I said, well, what do you think
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is going to help me being a detective down the road?
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And he said administration. And I was like, are you kidding
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me? I don't want to be a a Marine
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and be an administrative pencil pusher, but that's what I chose
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and that's where I went. But thank goodness when I joined
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or got assigned to the Special Operations Training Group, it
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was more of an Intel based job than it was administration.
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Of course, I did all their paperwork, but it was with the
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Intel office. So I mean, I got a little bit of
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both, I guess. And away I went.
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Yeah, I tried to be an MP as well and they wouldn't let me.
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They said that there wasn't enough spots or something like
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that. So I got aviation operations
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specialist. Completely different than where
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I wanted to go. But yeah, so the the pencil
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pushing and just being able to look at documents, look at, you
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know, being able to file all that stuff.
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I did that in the military as well.
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And that has helped me. It helped me with my schooling
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and then now it's helped me going back and looking for
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documents and stuff. So that's awesome that that you
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were actually prepared for a job coming out of the military,
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which a lot of people aren't. I mean, I know several of my
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uncles went in and they came out and they didn't have the skills
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to do anything but truck driving or working at a gas station or
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something like that, you know. So I'm glad that you were
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prepared. Well, and I was prepared, but
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when I got out of the Marine Corps, I couldn't find a decent
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job either. And I mean, I bounced for a
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little bit. I did some bartending, I worked
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for my dad's electronic business for a little bit and just
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realized, you know, this is not what I want.
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So I actually had to put myself through college and get a
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degree. And then I, I think I made a
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Vadnais choice there because I chose or a criminal justice as
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a, a degree. If I'd go back now, I would
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never chose that because you're so limited.
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I believe in what you could do. And but that's what I chose.
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And I got my degree in criminal justice, took the police test, I
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got #2 and the rest is history. So what would you recommend to
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other people going into this field?
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Well, that's a great, that's a great question.
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But you know, I, if I had to do it all over again, maybe I would
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have a specialty, even like something like accounting where
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you could go to the FBI and really go through the books of
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investigations and stuff like that.
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The criminal justice degree, I, it didn't help me at all.
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I mean, it gave me some basic knowledge in the criminal
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justice field, but if you're in true crime already, you could
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probably know that stuff anyhow, You know, it didn't help me get
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hired by the Police Department. I didn't need that.
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The only thing that helped me at the Police Department was being
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a veteran, which gave me 5 or 10 extra points on the test.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it works that way, doesn't.
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It yeah, and that was fine with me.
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OK, so you're very old school in a lot of ways like we've talked
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about, but embracing new evidence and admitting when
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you're wrong. How do you stay confident in
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your conclusions without becoming married to an actual
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theory? You just, I think you just have
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to lose your ego. I think that's the biggest
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thing. I've met a lot of great
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investigators and cops along the way that will just stick.
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They'll stick to their story till they're dead.
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I just saw it recently on the yogurt shop murders where one of
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the detectives blamed the kid and he'd been blamed for all
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these years and it came out that it wasn't him, it was an actual
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serial killer. And Netflix, I think it was,
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went back and re interviewed that cop and I was waiting for
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that because I wanted to see, you know, hey, are you going to
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eat some humble pie here? And he didn't.
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He stuck to it even though it's proven.
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And I just like, man, that guy has got some ego and those
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people do not deserve to be working in law enforcement.
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Yeah, one of the cases that I see ego the most in is the Jon
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Benet Ramsey case. Or at least that's what I chalk
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it up to. I mean, that's the only thing I
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can come up with. Yeah, I see it on that too.
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OK. So your first real
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investigation, cold case investigation was Don Miller, is
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that correct? That's correct.
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OK, so. It was my first official cold
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case, actually my very first cold case, and nobody really
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knows. This was Carrie Culberson, a
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missing person out of Ohio, Blanchard, Ohio.
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I just started doing, I guess what you do and investigating
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things as like a citizen. I was in college and that was
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the very first one. But then I get hired by the
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Police Department. I'm working as a narcotics
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undercover guy, and I'm sitting home alone on Thanksgiving and
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I'm going through old missing persons reports just for
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something to do. And I decided to type in
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Williamsport, which is the place where I was a cop and I, I've
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been there for 2-3 years. And Don Miller popped up and I
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was like, got to be a mistake. I would see missing person
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Flyers around the Police Department or they would be
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talking about it or something. And it wasn't, she was just
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forgotten. And that was my, I went in the
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next day. I asked my captain.
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I said, hey, we got a missing person from 1992.
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And he's like, we do. I was like, yeah, right here.
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Don Miller. He's like, I didn't know.
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I asked everybody and nobody knew.
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And I said, well, I want to work it.
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He's like, oh, no, no, you're a dope cop.
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You're not working that. You're undercover.
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And I said, I'll do it on my own time.
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And then he was like, well, OK, I said, well, can I?
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I'll go to records and get the initial report, thinking I'd get
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a binder. And it was 2 pages and that was
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it. That was my first case.
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Wow, 2 pages. Yeah, that reminds me of the
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Michelle Crawford case in Lawton.
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OK. When I asked for information,
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they just gave me a sheet of every time they said we have no
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more new information because they told me that everything was
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lost in a flood. And I have questions about that
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because there's other cases from older that are still available.
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So I'm a little confused on that.
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Sure, I understand that. OK, So what about the Don Miller
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case kept you going at it, though, because she's never been
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found, correct? Correct.
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I would say that it it was a rather simple case.
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Any case that you look at, Any cool case at any homicide and
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listen, I, I was never a homicide detective.
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I worked on homicides. I worked obviously cold cases
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later in the district attorney's office, but I think I was only
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on one fresh homicide. But you don't have to be a
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homicide detective to be a good detective.
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All you got to do is follow the leads and look for conflict.
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Where is the conflict at? That's the first place that you
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look. And when I did that, obviously
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the last people that are seeing with her with Dawn was there
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conflict there and there was. So I had two very distinct leads
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and OK, the last person to see her and she has conflict with
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them. That's where you start and
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that's where I started. And one of the good things in
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the two page report that I read was that her boyfriend at the
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time, Greg Emil, was the one who supposedly dropped her off at
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her home and he was the last person to see her or him and his
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nephew. The police annotated that he had
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scratches across his face. This is a couple days after she
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went missing. I mean, I don't know what more
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of a clue you want than that. So he said he got them from a
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Jagger Bush. So Fast forward 20 years later
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when I get the case and I get my chance to interrogate him,
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obviously that's the first thing I bring up is, well, tell me
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about the scratches on your face.
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And he said, oh, we're on our way back to Bellefonte, PA, to
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drop her off at her house. She wanted to go home and I got
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a flat tire. I said, well, where'd you get a
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flat tire at? Was it in a rural area?
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No, it was on 2/20, which is a pretty busy highway.
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And he said, my tire rolled down over in embankment and I was
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chasing it and got stuck by a Jagger Bush.
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And I just looked at him like, and I was like, do you think I'm
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stupid? Like, really?
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Who? Who bought this story?
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Did you tell this story 20 years ago?
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Because honestly, whoever bought it is an idiot.
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You first of all, there is no embankment on the highway, OK?
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There is no Jagger. You're lying.
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I mean, it's plain as day. So, I mean, it was very easy to
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figure out. I got a little too aggressive, I
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guess, at that point in time because he stood up and said he
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was going to leave. And I put him back in his chair
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and said, you'll leave when I tell you it's time to leave.
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But then quickly realized, hey, I can't do that.
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But I was a young, eager police officer at the time.
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And he ended up committing suicide not too long after my
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interview with him after I told him I wasn't going away.
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So that was the Don Miller case. Yeah, yeah, very sad.
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I hope one day she's eventually found.
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Yeah, I mean, I, the nephew that was in the car with them and
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actually participated in killing her, took me to the area.
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I got a confession from him and he he admitted that they killed
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her and he took me to where he said they buried her.
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And oh, I was so happy. I actually spent the night there
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in on the ground next to where I thought she was because I
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didn't. I was afraid they were going to
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come back and move her. The next day I brought in
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canines and we let them go, I don't know, 100 yards away.
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They circled and they went right to that exact same spot and
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alerted and I knew I had it. Then I was like, Oh yes.
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So then we brought in anthropologist from Mercyhurst
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College and he didn't even dig. He looked at it and said there's
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nobody buried here. Eventually after he left, I did
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dig and we brought in a backhoe to be sure and there was nothing
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there. So I it's my belief that they
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did move her a long time ago. Probably the boyfriend moved her
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without the nephew's knowledge, but at one point in time she was
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there and then, you know, he ended up committing suicide.
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So I never got the answer. Well, here's hoping.
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Well, you ever have in cold case investigations is hope.
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Yeah, exactly. So now let's get on to GAIL
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Matthews and Tamara Berkshire or Burke Heiser.
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Sorry, now I just finished your book and so this information is
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very new in my mind. So GAIL and her daughter,
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Tamerka Burkheiser, Tamera Burkheiser, you spent years
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investigating and ultimately wrote about it.
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And there are so many twists and turns and that, well, not twists
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and turns, more just there's so many people that you think did
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it and could really, there's so much circumstantial evidence
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that the whole time I was like, OK, that person did it.
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That person did it. Now I've come to the end and I'm
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like, OK, they're all shady. And I can't imagine
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investigating a cold case like this or even a case in general
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and having so many shady people that you have to deal with.
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And I'm sure that's a regular occurrence, but but every one of
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them looks good for it. Right.
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That that's very true. There's no more honest statement
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than that right there. I'm actually just starting.
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It's ironic that you say this because I'm just starting doing
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a multi episode series on my channel about GAIL and Tamara.
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I've refrained from doing it for a very long time, but I talked
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to the family recently and we're just going to go ahead and do
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it. So I have two episodes out
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already going through the case, you know, as much detail as I
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can give. And it is the hardest cool case
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I've ever worked on. And it's cold for a reason.
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Most cases are, you know, a fresh homicide.
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Sometimes you have an eyewitness right there, You have DNA right
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there. Whatever it is, it's easy to
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solve it. But cold cases are, they're cold
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for a reason. They're difficult.
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There's no witnesses and there's no evidence, whatever it is, and
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it it takes sometimes a very special and determined
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investigator to figure them out and we have a lot of them in
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this country. Yeah, You started the book off
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with setting the scene of The Little Mermaid bedroom.
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And that really hit me because I grew up watching Little Mermaid
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and then my nieces had a Little Mermaid bedroom.
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And so I could put myself in that crime scene, you know, the
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way you described it and everything.
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I could see everything. And then you talk about years
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later, decades later, going to a place and finding what was it, a
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curtain or a sheet from the crime scene.
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But you never explained that in the book, or if you did, I
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didn't catch it. I remember that to this day very
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vividly because I looked at those crime scene photos of that
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Little Mermaid room where the bodies were found daily, and
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then I was doing a search warrant at the little girl's
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father's house. He was divorced, not divorced,
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separated from GAIL at the time and lived with another
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girlfriend and he initially was my main suspect.
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So I got enough probable cause to get a judge to give me a
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search warrant for his residence and it was at the end of the
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search. I was 90° out, sweat pouring off
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of me is at the last place I was looking was in the back of his
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closet, which was underneath steps.
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So I had to squat down in order to get into the very back.
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And there was a mesh red bag in there and I just grabbed it and
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pulled it out. And then when I opened it,
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they're staring at me was Little Mermaid and it was faded and I I
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knew and right away that that was from the crime scene.
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And boy, it hit me like a ton of bricks and right under it was a
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hammer. And I was like what is going on?
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So the more I pulled out, then that was Tamara's clothing.
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And boy it it hit me like a ton of bricks.
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But like anything else in an investigation, you got to slow
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down. And when I went back to my
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office and looked and matched that curtain up, that curtain
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was from the crime scene. My initial thought was he took
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it from the crime scene for whatever reason, whether he was
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cleaning up and he used that to wipe fingerprints off or what.
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But when I got back, I found that curtain in a picture and I
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was like, well, there's no way he could have taken it from the
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crime scene. He had to taking it later.
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And come to find out that Gail's mom, after they cleaned up the
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house, he wanted some stuff from his daughter, obviously.
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And one of the things that she gave him was The Little Mermaid
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curtains. OK.
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So it's just like anything you're, I hope you know, you're
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like, yes, I solved this. And then to the lowest of lows.
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Yeah, I think after I listened to your book, 'cause I I
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listened to it on audio. Eric seems the most suspicious
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because of the semen and and the day he supposedly he had
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intercourse with her. 16 Jay. I thought it.
27:18
Was Eric. No, Eric is Tamara's dad.
27:23
Oh, OK. Evan.
27:26
Evan, Evan, sorry, sorry to you. His real name's Jay, or I guess
27:31
his nickname's Jay. That's what everybody knows him
27:33
as. But Evan, He was Gail's
27:36
boyfriend at the time. OK.
27:38
Eric was her previous boyfriend who she had a child, Tamara,
27:42
with, yes. But yeah, yes, with the semen
27:44
and all that, yes. OK.
27:49
Well, I'm looking forward to see where you go with that.
27:51
Well, he was never looked at. And I mean, for me, what did it
28:05
in a nutshell was I looked at the photographs again a million
28:11
times and the video, the crime scene video.
28:14
But I went back. I always go back.
28:16
You always guys got to keep going back.
28:18
And I went back and we were in, the guy was videotaping in the
28:22
bathroom and he was just panning across and I paused it on the
28:26
garbage can, the garbage can down in the kitchen.
28:29
They did a very good job of dissecting that what was in
28:33
there. But the bathroom, they did not.
28:36
They didn't do anything. So I pause it there and what I
28:39
saw changed things for me, I think tremendously because I
28:44
seen tampons like wrappings on the top and I knew that she was
28:53
either just coming off of her period or was on her period at
28:56
the time. But it jogged my my memory
29:01
thinking, wait a second, how is semen in her from intercourse
29:08
five days previous and she had her period.
29:13
There should be no semen in there.
29:15
No, I'm not a woman and I'm not a gynecologist, but I do have
29:18
common sense and I'm thinking it shouldn't be there, let alone on
29:25
the panties that she's wearing at at death that are down around
29:30
her ankles. I mean, she, she is a clean
29:33
person. She's not going to walk around
29:34
and panties it for five days that are drenched in semen.
29:39
So that set off some red flags. And obviously I called him in
29:43
and then it started my interrogation and, and
29:47
basically, I won't say tunnel vision, but OK, let's go down
29:51
this road. Let's look at his past, let's
29:54
look at his alibis and, and things like that.
29:57
And and that's when Jay became or Evan in the book became a
30:02
suspect. Yeah.
30:04
And then when you come back around to talking to the woman
30:09
who was pregnant with his child at the time of the murder, he is
30:13
convinced that she's the whole reason why GAIL was killed
30:17
because, you know, they had had an argument that night and.
30:22
And she gave him an old tomatum. Me or GAIL.
30:26
And then GAIL just ends up dead. I mean, I mean, yeah, her name
30:31
Tina. She, I thought I broke her in
30:34
the polygraph where she just started crying and just sobbing.
30:40
It's my fault they're dead. And I mean, I was ecstatic.
30:44
I thought I had her and told her.
30:47
Did he confess to you? Did he confess?
30:49
No. It was an unspoken thing, you
30:52
know, I knew he did it. I didn't have to say it and all
30:56
that. I mean, there's a lot more to
30:58
it. And then so the next day I call
31:01
her back in to talk to her again and she recants pretty much
31:06
everything other, you know, she's like, I didn't, I didn't
31:09
say I gave him an older maiden. Well, yes, she did.
31:11
And I have it on video. Well, I did.
31:13
That's not what I meant, you know.
31:15
And so she recanted and it it just went nowhere.
31:19
You know, I brought him in and I had, you know, I knew I had one,
31:24
one shot at him because after I was done, I knew he wasn't going
31:28
to come back in with me. And I tried to get a confession
31:31
from him and just explain to me, explain to me how the semen is
31:38
insider so much so, so much so that the forensic pathologist on
31:44
the scene takes AQ tip in her vagina as she's lying dead on
31:50
the bed, pulls out semen, it's visible with the naked eye and
31:55
looks at the investigators and said here's your killer boys.
31:58
Yeah, that's not possible after 5 or 6 days.
32:01
Exactly. It's not.
32:03
So I questioned him about that and he has no explanation.
32:07
No explanation. I can't explain it.
32:08
I can't explain it and I try to give him a way out by saying
32:12
we'll just did you just go down there and have sex with her that
32:15
night and are scared to say so because she got murdered?
32:18
Tell me no, didn't happen, didn't happen.
32:20
OK. I said, well, I'd like for you
32:23
to take a polygraph. He's like, I don't know, I don't
32:26
know. So he ends up leaving the the
32:29
interrogation room and goes home. 10 minutes later he calls
32:34
me and this is obviously very odd and because he had never
32:39
called me before and he says, oh, I got to set some things
32:41
straight and I guess I got to come clean.
32:45
I had sex with her the night before and I said well, OK, well
32:52
I need you to come in and take that polygraph.
32:54
He says OK. And then 10 minutes later his
32:58
lawyers calling and saying he ain't taking anything so that he
33:03
lied. He's a liar and but doesn't mean
33:07
that he's a killer. Well, the way he described
33:11
having sex with her that night, well, it was basically like
33:15
masturbation or or he. And that I, I believe that
33:19
that's true. That was the night before the
33:22
murders. He said that she masturbated him
33:26
onto her underwear. The police did find that
33:29
underwear in the hamper with his semen on it.
33:32
So that that part makes sense. But the reason he says he's he
33:36
lied about it all these years is because when the cops asked him
33:42
if he had sex with her, he was embarrassed because she was on
33:45
her period. So he would not admit that he
33:48
had sex with her. But yeah, it it, it's not any
33:53
more embarrassing to sit there and tell the cop that she
33:56
masturbated you under her underwear and it is just to say
34:00
that you had sex with her on her period.
34:01
It made no sense. Yeah.
34:04
And the amount of semen, again, that was in her and on her
34:09
underwear. I think the PA state police lab,
34:15
they don't put quantities, at least they didn't in their lab
34:20
reports. But I called them and said do
34:23
you have notes? Because I'm going to get a
34:26
search warrant for them. If you don't give them to me, I
34:29
want your notes from when you went through all this evidence.
34:33
And she said no, I got them. And in her notes they rated out
34:37
of one to five on the amount of semen that's present.
34:40
And I think on Gail's underwear, which she had on a time of death
34:45
on the inside crotch, it was a four plus, which is a ton of
34:51
semen. Now, how does it get there?
34:55
You know the, so I mean, evidence wise, he sure is a
35:02
great suspect and motive wise, he's a, he's a good suspect and
35:08
he doesn't know, or maybe he does now because of the book.
35:11
But I had a, an arrest warrant typed out for him.
35:16
But luckily my District Attorney, we sat down and
35:22
discussed it and he was like, just don't know.
35:26
I just don't feel right. And I said, well, I'm glad you
35:28
say that. I don't feel 100 yet either.
35:32
He's like, OK, let's keep working it.
35:34
That's one of the things I like about you is, is that you don't
35:39
like giving out just people's names for no reason.
35:44
When you're talking about a case I've seen in my own life where
35:48
people have been accused of something and then have to spend
35:51
the rest of their life defending themselves when there was
35:54
absolutely no chance in the world that they did that.
35:58
And there's DNA evidence to prove it, but but yet no one
36:03
believes them because the cops just all of a sudden said their
36:06
names and now forever they're tarnished.
36:08
That's right, That's right. That's a big pet peeve of mine.
36:12
I really hate it. It's really unfair.
36:15
Sometimes it is unavoidable, but I just try my best to minimize
36:21
that. Well I appreciate you for doing
36:24
that because I've seen it first hand so it can be monumentally
36:33
forever life changing. Absolutely it is.
36:35
Yeah, Yeah. OK.
36:37
So I want to look into a relationship that you have just
36:43
recently started, well, within the last couple of years.
36:46
And it fascinates me because on paper, it shouldn't be a likely
36:53
one. It's completely unlikely.
36:55
The investigator and the man who spent decades on San Quentin's
36:59
death row, Bill Negara. Now, I started following you a
37:04
few years before you and Bill teamed up.
37:09
And when I saw you doing that, I was so excited because I mean,
37:15
logically, you learn from criminals.
37:18
You, you learn from people who spend their time with criminals.
37:23
So, you know, officially, it seems unlikely.
37:28
But I mean, logically, it seems completely likely.
37:33
So tell me how you and Bill Naguera first met and about your
37:37
relationship. Well, First off, I think if
37:40
anybody wants to learn any vocation from anybody, you go to
37:44
people that live it. You know, if I want to learn to
37:48
be an electrician, I'm not going to read a book.
37:50
I'm going to go find an electrician and apprentice with
37:53
him. It's the same with learning
37:57
about murder. I want to talk to people that
37:59
have actually committed murder. And a lot of people, they don't
38:04
understand that. They think because somebody
38:08
murdered somebody, they're a bad person.
38:10
And that's not necessarily true because I can sit here and tell
38:13
you I could murder somebody. It depends on the situation, the
38:17
circumstance that you're in. Now, I don't want to murder
38:21
anybody, but, you know, if I, my house is being, you know, robbed
38:27
and somebody's trying to rape and pillage people inside it,
38:30
I'm going to do what I can to protect them.
38:32
And if that includes murder, well then so be it.
38:36
Absolutely. And people don't understand that
38:38
I lost friends over my relationship, quote UN quote
38:43
with Bill Niagara. And my response to them was by,
38:48
you know, my career, you know, and and being the best that I
38:53
can be as a cool case detective warrants me talking to this guy.
38:58
So to answer your question, how it came about is that he reached
39:02
out to me. He saw me on The History Channel
39:06
hunt for the Zodiac because he's on death row and they have
39:09
television access and he saw me. He said he liked my integrity
39:16
and thought that I could help him with some cold cases that he
39:19
had and I was skeptical at first.
39:24
I vetted him out. The information I eventually got
39:28
from him. I solved 3 murders and they made
39:32
a television show from it, you know, death row confidential
39:35
secrets of the serial killer. And that was dramatized a little
39:40
bit of how I solved the three cases.
39:42
But regardless, I solved them. But make no mistakes about it.
39:47
I wouldn't have solved it without Bill and bringing that
39:52
that forward, that information forward to me.
39:55
Yeah, I think I would be. I would be a bill if I would, if
40:01
I was locked up, I would be a bill.
40:03
I would be trying to find out cases.
40:06
But he was unique in the fact that he took care of ailing
40:10
serial killers. And that's just so fascinating
40:14
to me. I can't imagine the
40:16
conversations he's had. And so that just gets my mind
40:21
thinking about all kinds of things.
40:23
But can you tell us about Joseph Nassau and the victims and, and
40:29
how that came about? Yeah.
40:31
So Bill, like you said, he was helping serial killers on the
40:35
yard. The warden had appointed him as
40:37
like a medical liaison and he would give them medicine,
40:41
whatever it is. But Joe Nasow was one that was
40:44
in a wheelchair. Then he'd get pushed around.
40:47
They so was convicted of killing, I think four women, and
40:52
they had found a list of 10. So law enforcement assumed that
40:58
he probably had 10 victims, but they couldn't solve the other
41:02
six again. So Bill started talking to him,
41:07
getting to know him, and Joe bragged about women that he
41:12
killed and how police were stupid and couldn't figure it
41:15
out. And he eventually would go back
41:19
to his cell and write down this stuff that Joe told him.
41:23
And Bill's not a rat. He just didn't like Joe.
41:27
There's other serial killers that he that talked to him.
41:31
The Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez, Lawrence Bittaker,
41:35
Toolbox Killer. He had a good relationship with
41:38
Rodney Akala, Scott Peterson, who's not a serial killer, but
41:41
he was on the yard with Bill and Bill had talked to him as well.
41:45
And he, they, Bill never gave up anything that they said.
41:49
But NASA he didn't like. So everything NASA told him, he
41:53
went back and wrote down. And that's eventually was a
41:56
couple 100 pages of notes which were forward to me.
42:00
And in those notes were multiple leads on different murders in
42:06
LA, Arizona, Nevada. And again, there was three that
42:12
had enough information there, including a signed confession
42:16
from NASO that you know, I was able to follow up on and and
42:21
solve and it helped the families out.
42:24
Yeah. Do you believe he has any more
42:28
victims? Oh, yeah, yeah, he said he had
42:32
26, I believe was the the final number.
42:36
So he does. But Joe NASA is very, just like
42:40
a lot of serial killers. He's very narcissistic and
42:45
another one that comes to mind is Wesley Shermantine, the speed
42:48
freak killer. The same way you're, they're not
42:51
going to give you anything unless it benefits them.
42:54
You give them money or, you know, put money on their books,
42:57
whatever it is, then they'll give you a little something, but
43:00
they're they won't give you at all.
43:01
Just enough to keep you tagged along.
43:05
Well, I commend you and Bill for doing that and for getting down
43:11
to the bottom of some cases that needed solved.
43:15
I mean, family members, I feel so bad for any family member out
43:20
there who has a missing loved one or they don't know what
43:24
happened. And so I just thank you guys for
43:28
doing that kind of stuff because it truly means something to me.
43:31
When I saw it, I was just excited and I had heard Bill was
43:37
at crime Con this year and I didn't see him.
43:40
I would have loved to have seen him.
43:42
Yeah, I saw that he went to. I did not know that he was
43:45
going, but I'm glad that he's out.
43:48
Listen, I make no excuse for what he did.
43:51
He murdered somebody and he didn't murder somebody that
43:54
broke into his home. You know, he he murdered his
43:57
girlfriend's mom. Now, the reasoning that he did
43:59
it, I'm not going to get into that's up.
44:02
That's that's his deal, you know, and I feel bad for her
44:06
family without a doubt. But I do know that he did 40
44:11
something years in San Quentin's death row.
44:15
Now, is that enough time? I'm not the judge of that, but I
44:19
know he did his time and he did it correctly.
44:22
He didn't just join a gang. He didn't sell drugs.
44:26
He worked to better himself to be a, a better person.
44:30
And he, you know, I, he did that and he's trying to make amends.
44:35
And now he's out, he's free and he's living his life.
44:39
And I think that's a good thing. But make no, no mistake, I feel
44:44
bad for his victim's family without a doubt.
44:48
No, of course, always. But at the end of the day,
44:53
excuse me, at the end of the day, he did wrong and he did
44:56
right by helping some families out.
44:58
So I think that is commendable no matter what happened in the
45:04
past. I do too, and he's starting a
45:07
new podcast. I just text with him the other
45:11
night with John Gotti's daughter, Angel.
45:16
It's Angel Gotti called Concrete Jungle, I think, So if you want
45:21
to check that out, I'm sure we'll be out.
45:24
I will definitely check that out.
45:26
OK, so moving on to a big case in the news now, and it has been
45:33
for quite so many years now, Brian Koeberger.
45:37
Now, I've consumed a great deal of information about the
45:40
Koeburger case or the Idaho Four, and I've deliberately
45:44
stayed away from covering it because there's so much
45:47
information surrounding it that I'm scared to touch it.
45:53
But before Koeburger ever pleaded guilty, my husband had
45:57
told me that he would get off. And my husband has this uncanny
46:03
ability to know things. Actually, it's, it's a God, it's
46:07
a gift from God. He, he has that ability and he
46:11
will predict it 3 or 4 years before it happens.
46:15
And I'll be like, what? So, so when he told me that, I
46:20
was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna follow this one and I'm gonna
46:24
watch and see where it goes. So you corresponded with Brian
46:30
Koeberger, and we now know from Discovery and from the foyer
46:35
records that he was watching your videos after the murder.
46:39
So what do you think about that and what do you think he learned
46:42
from you? Well, the only involvement that
46:46
I think I I kind of had was 1 morning, I woke up to a bunch of
46:50
messages saying that Koeberger had watched my videos and it was
46:56
on Dateline. I knew nothing about it, but I
47:02
got sent screenshots and stuff and I still never watched the
47:05
episode. But I did see that yeah, they
47:08
were my videos. I reached out to Dateline to get
47:12
Discovery to find out. OK, I want to know more why I
47:17
reached out to Koburger as well, but he never responded to me and
47:25
he's smart enough. I know why.
47:26
And especially it was during before he pled.
47:30
He's not going to make that mistake.
47:33
So why he did it, I don't know. I mean, I think from what I
47:39
understand, a lot of it was my Ted Bundy series that I had
47:43
done. I don't know, I only Brian
47:48
Koburger could answer that. Maybe he liked, you know, my
47:54
style or maybe it was just happenstance where my video came
47:58
up and he clicked on it. And I don't know how to answer
48:01
your question. I don't find it eerie.
48:03
I don't find it creepy. I just, I just think that he was
48:11
fascinated with serial killing and to me and probably to him,
48:17
Ted Bundy's at the top of that list.
48:20
You know, maybe he just was looking for any sort of
48:24
information he could get to copy him.
48:26
I don't, I don't know. I'd love to talk to Koeberger
48:30
now. I I talked to one of the victims
48:33
dads, sent a few emails back and forth and he was going to be on
48:38
my show at one point in time, but it didn't work out.
48:42
He might have more insight than me, but one thing that he did
48:47
convey to me was that he believed that I was correct in
48:51
my assessment a long time ago before Koeberger was arrested,
48:55
that it was a sexually motivated crime and his daughter was the
49:00
the target of that. I'm not sure if I believe that
49:05
100% anymore, but until I'm 100% good at changing my mind I want
49:15
to stick to it I guess. Yeah, when all the Foyas came
49:18
out and there's a good channel Jewel's true crime reaction, she
49:24
is the one getting a lot of these Foyas.
49:26
And after some of the stuff came out, I was like, I don't know, I
49:33
don't know. He doesn't seem to be as guilty
49:37
as they once LED us to believe. And then with my husband telling
49:42
me that stuff, I'm like oh Dang. Well, for me, I mean everything
49:48
that I've seen and again, I haven't investigated.
49:52
So I would never say 100%, but from the outside looking in and
49:57
looking at the, the crime itself, and that's how I look at
50:01
a lot of things when I don't investigate it is look at the
50:04
crime scene as much as you can and then let that tell you the
50:09
criminal profile. You know, what's what type of
50:13
person would commit this crime. Now I did that, I believe in
50:18
this case and I, Brian Koeberger wasn't the type of person that I
50:23
thought, but I don't think anybody could have thought that.
50:28
So I don't know. I don't know.
50:30
I think that from what I saw, he's guilty.
50:34
And if he goes to court, I think he will be found guilty.
50:37
But that's just one man's opinion.
50:41
Yeah, no, I'm, I'm interested to see where it goes.
50:44
Like I said, I I followed it, but I'm afraid to dive into it
50:48
because there's just so much information and so many twists
50:52
and turns in that. And the fact that they can, they
50:55
still can't pin down when Ethan and Zanna got to the home after
51:00
all these years is interesting to me.
51:03
The one thing that I would caution people would be when you
51:08
are investigating your case or even looking at a case, don't go
51:12
to don't go to crazy town. Don't let don't let all these
51:17
one little offs change you from the overall picture.
51:22
You know, it's always the totality.
51:25
It's always the totality if you have one off, meaning I don't,
51:32
let's say for what you say Xana's time home doesn't they
51:36
can't pinpoint it, OK, but you have all these other totalities.
51:40
You, as a good investigator, should go and investigate that,
51:44
OK, But don't let it override all of this, because it's
51:49
usually all of this that ends up making sense.
51:53
Yeah, no, I, I, I totally agree with that.
51:56
And I'm reading your book, the Cold Case Investigator Guide
52:00
book, or I can't remember what it's called exactly.
52:03
Mastering cold case investigations.
52:05
There you go, I've got 3 copies. I have a kindle and two book
52:08
copies. Thank you.
52:11
I keep it wherever I go. Yeah, that's my that's my Magnus
52:16
opus. I spent a lot of time writing
52:19
that for investigators and I hope it helps somebody.
52:23
Yeah, well, it's already helping me just in grounding myself, you
52:27
know, from going out to all these different places.
52:31
And I have a tendency to look at the crazy and be like, oh, you
52:37
know, so it doesn't. I think that's normal for
52:41
investigators, especially citizen investigators, because I
52:47
think they're naturally curious. That's what makes a good
52:51
detective. But I think to make to be a
52:54
great detective, you look at all that craziness, but you center
52:59
yourself on the facts and don't, don't let this noise pull you
53:04
away without getting tunnel vision.
53:06
I know that's a lot. And it's very hard to do because
53:09
you can go down rabbit holes all the time and then that doesn't
53:14
make sense. So then you're going here and
53:15
that doesn't make sense. And then it's a conspiracy and
53:17
it's a but if you take a deep breath and come back to center
53:20
and say, wait a second, this car, this, this, it's this.
53:28
OK. That's what works for me now.
53:31
No, I I've definitely kept in mind and and like I said, your
53:34
book has helped me, helped anchor me and center me to not
53:39
go as crazy as I would normally like to.
53:42
Yeah, well, there's a lot of craziness out there, that's for
53:45
sure. Well, especially in the Gypsy
53:47
Rose Blanchard case, we know who did it, why and all that stuff.
53:50
But there's a lot of interesting things in that case, and I don't
53:56
know if you have looked at that case at all.
54:00
I. Have not, to be honest with you,
54:02
I don't even know. I don't know anything about that
54:06
case. Like, I know the name and I know
54:08
you had sent me some stuff on it, but I've never looked at it.
54:13
I never dove into any of it. I never even read a news report
54:16
on it, to be honest with you. Oh, wow.
54:18
Yeah. So hey, I'm not so good at the
54:24
the new true crime, like the stuff like Lindsey Clancy, I
54:28
guess just happened and and stuff like that.
54:31
I, I don't watch the news. I don't hardly watch TV unless
54:35
it's football anymore. So I just don't get it.
54:38
But the old cases from Unsolved Mysteries that I remember and
54:42
things like that, those are the ones that I like to focus on.
54:45
But Idaho was different because it was so unique and four people
54:50
killed with a knife intrigued me.
54:52
And so I did focus in a little bit on that.
54:56
Yeah, the only reason I even focused in on Gypsy was because
54:59
my cousin was incarcerated with her.
55:01
That's the only reason he even got on my radar.
55:04
And I didn't know much about the case at all, so I knew the name
55:09
and very general specifics about it.
55:13
So sometimes you get thrown into a rabbit hole because of life.
55:19
Yeah, I understood. OK, so now you have written a
55:24
book on. I don't know if all of these are
55:27
in there, but I know you also wrote a book about going back in
55:33
time as well, 'cause I got that one too.
55:38
But you've written about the JFK assassination and Billy the Kid,
55:42
and you've also done a documentary on the Zodiac
55:46
killer. Out of those three, which is the
55:52
most fascinating? And I'm sure it's going to be
55:54
Billy the Kid, but. Well, more the most interesting
55:59
to me is Billy the Kid because he just interests me in the Old
56:03
West. Time frame interests me.
56:06
I think Pat Garrett killed him, but I would like to believe that
56:11
he didn't and he let him go. And I think there's some good
56:14
evidence both ways. But if I had to lean one way or
56:17
another, Pat Garrett killed him. And it's that simple.
56:23
Zodiac Killer is, you know, I did obviously The History
56:27
Channel show the five episodes, but I knew about that case
56:32
obviously before the show. And that is the most fascinating
56:41
case to me out of all three. And it's just like, it could be
56:47
like the GAIL Matthews case. You have so many great suspects,
56:51
so much good circumstantial evidence.
56:54
That case taught me that you can make any suspect fit a crime.
56:58
You really can. I see that.
57:01
You know, and so it's very hard to not have tunnel vision when
57:07
you make your suspect fit a crime and then things start
57:10
making sense and then you start making things make sense that
57:14
don't shouldn't be there. So that case taught me a lot
57:20
about that. And I still get emails.
57:22
I just got a couple emails yesterday about the Zodiac case
57:25
and everyone thinks that they saw these ciphers and things
57:29
like that. But when it comes to the
57:33
ciphers, David ran ran a check. He was on that show with me.
57:38
He is the authority that I would go through and he actually broke
57:42
the the one cipher within the last couple of years.
57:45
Yeah, yeah. And you saying there's so much
57:49
circumstantial evidence for so many different suspects.
57:53
Like there's even a guy at Crime Con who's gone the last two
57:59
years saying I think that it's his grandpa or something like
58:01
that. You get them?
58:03
I get those emails all the time. Yeah.
58:06
And so I've never stopped by his booth because I'm just like, oh.
58:12
Yeah, The thing is, they can't be all of them, but yeah, it's
58:15
going to be one of them. I want to know who DB Cooper is.
58:20
Yeah, that's another very fascinating case.
58:23
I I didn't investigate it, but from the outside looking in, I
58:26
would, I have always said it was Richard McCoy.
58:30
He's my #1 suspect to me. But you know, listen, anybody
58:35
can debate anything. And there's great debaters out
58:39
there that would look at that and say there's no way it was
58:41
this person and you could believe them because they're
58:44
great debaters. But my, just my opinion is that
58:48
it's Richard McCoy. OK, I'll keep that in mind.
58:52
So we're, we're winding now, winding down now.
58:55
And I try to engage all of my interviews in asking one a
59:01
question about whether you've had a paranormal, UFO or crypted
59:06
experience. Because after my father's
59:09
suicide, I started experiencing weird paranormal and UFO things.
59:16
I don't know if it was just, well, there was a lot of things
59:21
that happened in his suicide and we had a lot of just strange
59:25
paranormal things happen immediately afterwards.
59:28
Don't know why. So I start asking everybody.
59:32
I started asking everybody, you know, if they've had any
59:34
experiences, just so I can collect some data.
59:39
Well, I did have one UFO experience with my father when I
59:45
was no probably 8 to 10 years of age.
59:51
We were driving down the road and there was it was night time,
59:58
it was bright light above us and it kept getting brighter and it
1:00:01
was following us and he kept looking out.
1:00:05
I kept looking out and I was getting more and more scared.
1:00:08
It followed us and it kept getting lower and it followed us
1:00:14
until we were almost home and he it got so bright outside that he
1:00:21
stopped the truck. We were in his truck and he was
1:00:26
getting out to look up at it and I had a hold of his legs so hard
1:00:32
crying. Don't get out, don't get out.
1:00:35
I was so scared. And so he didn't, he didn't make
1:00:39
it all the way out. Got back in, went to the house,
1:00:42
it followed us to the house. When we got out, it shot out.
1:00:47
Now, I was very young, but I, I remember bits and pieces of
1:00:51
that. My dad never really talked about
1:00:54
it. We would joke about it every now
1:00:56
and again, but it was a conversation that stayed with us
1:01:01
for 50 years. And so it happened and we would
1:01:06
joke, you know, that it was certainly not a plane because it
1:01:09
was so bright and it got so low to us.
1:01:13
But he would never admit what he saw other than joking around,
1:01:18
'cause that's the type of person my dad was.
1:01:22
And I don't know what it was, but to me it's the
1:01:27
quintessential unidentified flying object.
1:01:32
OK, Yeah, I've had a couple of UFO experiences.
1:01:36
And one I experienced that we had thousands of orbs that were
1:01:43
probably 3 feet across and they were just shooting over our
1:01:49
house and they were at warp speed.
1:01:52
And my husband and I tried to get our cameras out to videotape
1:01:56
it, and it wouldn't open. We could not get our cameras to
1:02:00
open. And then all of a sudden it just
1:02:03
went away, warp speed and then went away.
1:02:05
So that's just one of them. OK, laptop time.
1:02:12
Yeah, so I'm just constantly trying to figure out, you know,
1:02:15
if other people have experienced weird things like I have, 'cause
1:02:18
I know I'm not the only one. Well there's some weird things
1:02:21
in the universe that's for sure. One of the things that I still
1:02:27
don't believe in and I don't think anyone could get me
1:02:29
convinced as psychics, especially their used in cold
1:02:33
cases. I don't like it and I refrain
1:02:37
all the time. I've seen way too many that gave
1:02:40
families hope and they were wrong and so those people need
1:02:44
to be exposed. And I liked what was his name
1:02:47
Randy the Great Randy or something.
1:02:50
He would give $1,000,000 to any psychic one and and he would
1:02:55
debunk them and I gave him kudos for that because I I don't like
1:03:02
that. No, I agree.
1:03:04
Anybody who's messing with the heartstrings of families like
1:03:08
that don't deserve anything. So I just want to give my
1:03:13
opinion out there about psychics.
1:03:15
Yeah, no, I agree. I I don't know what I believe
1:03:19
about psychics, but I haven't seen any that have been able to
1:03:25
be psychic. Now my stepdad actually one of
1:03:29
one of the reasons why I talk about paranormal as well is
1:03:33
because my stepdad was also a quote UN quote wizard and he was
1:03:38
a veteran. He spent couple of years in the
1:03:42
jungle of Mexico learning his craft.
1:03:45
And I would wake up in the morning or come home from school
1:03:48
and there would be like a bunch of Korean ladies around our
1:03:51
table getting their cards read or their ruins done or their
1:03:56
astrological charts done. And they would always tell me
1:03:59
Craig knows. Craig knows everything that's
1:04:01
happening. Well, I wish I had that ability.
1:04:06
I'd solve all my cases. I know, right?
1:04:09
But I've never seen anybody like that.
1:04:11
And he refused to do mine. Actually, he refused to do mine
1:04:15
because he told me that spirits attached to people when that
1:04:19
happened, and he was not a Christian, furthest thing from
1:04:23
his mind. But that's what he told me.
1:04:25
He told me that he would never do it for a loved one like me
1:04:28
because a spirit would attach to me.
1:04:33
Well, Christianity is a very, as you know, very good thing and
1:04:38
I'm glad that within the last couple years that has come into
1:04:41
my life and I had to attack it like I would a cold case and
1:04:45
that, and that's just what I, what I did.
1:04:47
And I was like, I will even either confirm or debunk this
1:04:56
Christianity thing and Jesus Christ in particular.
1:05:00
And I looked at all the evidence, you know, you look at
1:05:03
all the witnesses, you look at timelines and that's how I
1:05:06
looked at it. And at the end of it, I thought
1:05:09
that number one, Jesus was real. You know, that was the first
1:05:13
thing I was looking at. And without a doubt, he was
1:05:16
real. Number 2 was to figure out, hey,
1:05:18
was he resurrected and was he the Son of God?
1:05:21
And when I looked into it, I believe those things and that
1:05:28
changed my whole life. Yeah, and I've done that
1:05:30
investigation, too, and it has changed my whole life as well.
1:05:34
Yeah, I would love to see you write a book on it.
1:05:36
I know Lee Strobel wrote a book on it, but I would love to hear
1:05:39
your perspective on it. Yeah, I have a book here
1:05:43
somewhere, right here. This is a good book.
1:05:48
This is a cool case, Christianity.
1:05:51
Oh, OK. By Warner Wallace He sent me
1:05:55
that he is a cold case detective, a very good one and
1:06:02
he has a whole bunch of books about looking at Christ and
1:06:06
Christianity through cold case and the foreword here is by Lee
1:06:10
Strobel. So Cool case Christianity is a
1:06:14
good book for anyone who wants to get started and looking at
1:06:17
things in an investigative cold case kind of way.
1:06:20
I'll. Check that out.
1:06:22
Well, thank you, Ken, for being here.
1:06:24
I, I truly appreciate it. I've watched your content and I
1:06:29
really love what you're doing on your channel.
1:06:31
So can you tell everybody where to find you and where to get
1:06:34
your books? Yeah, you can watch me at
1:06:39
Unsolved No More on YouTube. I don't have any other social
1:06:43
media. I got rid of them probably two
1:06:46
years ago now, but I continue to make videos on YouTube about
1:06:51
cold cases and my books are on Amazon.
1:06:54
If you want to sign book you can go to kenmaines.com and go to
1:06:59
the books section there and you can read what you want.
1:07:02
But more importantly, thank you for having me and for being
1:07:08
loyal. I am trying to give back to a
1:07:12
lot of my loyal fans who have stuck with me when maybe I was a
1:07:16
bit standoffish and didn't talk to people and was in my own
1:07:19
little cocoon. And those loyalty is huge to me.
1:07:25
It was. It's one of the biggest
1:07:26
characteristics that I like in people.
1:07:29
So thank you for being a loyal fan and for watching, and I
1:07:33
really, really sincerely appreciate it.
1:07:36
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