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D4VD GOES BUST: OUT OF MONEY OR HIDING MILLIONS? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. D4VD, a.k.a. David Anthony Burke,
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Speaker 1: says you're fired to his entire high-profile legal team.
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 1: Because he's in a snit over no bail and a
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Speaker 1: bad sell. But guess what? You're busted! D-4BD now claiming
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Speaker 1: his broke. Well, not according to the tax documents. Good evening.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: He has ripped her apart, and there she sits in
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Speaker 3: this house.
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Speaker 1: He blames the smell of this child's decomposing body on
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Speaker 1: his bathroom.
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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, it stinks. This is human remains that are decomposing.
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Speaker 3: A true child, a human being.
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Speaker 4: When you hear how much money this young man made,
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Speaker 4: it's unbelievable. And so based upon the amount of money
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Speaker 4: he made, I personally found it deplorable when he transferred
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Speaker 4: two homes out of his name. And the witness, the
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Speaker 4: last witness on the stand, he was the one that
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Speaker 4: advised the family to transfer the assets out of David's
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Speaker 4: name to protect it from a civil lawsuit. They're still
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Speaker 4: pursuing his career. They're hiring a new entertainment lawyer for
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Speaker 4: the specific reason of continuing his musical career. And how
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Speaker 4: you do that behind bars, I don't know. But there's
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Speaker 4: been millions of dollars that have flowed through this company,
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Speaker 4: these companies that David owns.
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Speaker 1: Oh, no, you didn't. Are you trying to fake out
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Speaker 1: the court, firing your high profile defense lawyers while at
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Speaker 1: the same time hiding money, siphoning millions of dollars? out
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Speaker 1: of your private accounts, so me, I, and the taxpayers
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Speaker 1: have to pay your legal bill?
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Speaker 5: Ah, ah, ah, ah.
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Speaker 1: That from our friends at TMZ, joining us in All-Star
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Speaker 1: Panel to make sense of what we know tonight. But
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Speaker 1: let's just have a little reality check. Straight out to
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University. He
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Speaker 1: is a star of a hit podcast, and it's on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: You can see it there, body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: But for our purposes, he is a death investigator with
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Speaker 1: over 10,000 death scenes under his belt. Before we start
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Speaker 1: talking about masterminding, moving money around, allegedly, what happened to
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Speaker 1: Celeste Rivas?
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Speaker 3: She was taken apart, literally limb by limb, Nancy. And
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Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, not only did that occur,
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Speaker 3: but I think probably.
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Speaker 3: When we begin to explore what actually happened to her,
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Speaker 3: it's how she came to her end in a very
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Speaker 3: painful and lingering way, Nancy. Because, you know, the one
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Speaker 3: indication that the ME corner in L.A. has actually alluded
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Speaker 3: to is a sharp force injury that she has in
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Speaker 3: the side of her chest. And this is actually an
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Speaker 3: insult to the liver. This is not a quick death, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: This is something that would have taken a protracted period
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Speaker 3: of time. to bleed out from. So this is something
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Speaker 3: that is going to take a protracted period of time
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Speaker 3: to bleed out from. It would have, she would have languished.
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Speaker 3: And then after that, allegedly her body is disrespected to
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Speaker 3: the point where she is essentially gathered together in bags
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Speaker 3: and placed inside of a trunk left to rot.
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Speaker 1: And Jessica Morgan, could you explain very succinctly what a kid's,
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Speaker 1: a kiddie pool is? And D4VD, a.k.a. David Anthony Burke's garage,
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Speaker 1: has to do with this case.
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Speaker 3: Containment. Containment, because this is a messy affair. If you're
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Speaker 3: talking about not just the insult, the sharp force of
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Speaker 3: injury insult that you're going to have quite a bit
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Speaker 3: of blood from, we're talking about a body that is
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Speaker 3: being rendered down, Nancy. And so that creates quite the mess.
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Speaker 3: I've been out on multiple scenes over the course of
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Speaker 3: my career where I've had similar cases to this. and
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Speaker 3: it creates a huge mess. So you would want to
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Speaker 3: be able to contain this. And again, you know, not
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Speaker 3: being an attorney or a psychologist, it does go to
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Speaker 3: this idea that there was an awareness that this would
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Speaker 3: be a messy affair, so you gotta prepare for it.
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Speaker 4: It's just disgusting that they would purposely transfer assets to
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Speaker 4: avoid a potential civil judgment. And the amount of money
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Speaker 4: that we heard about was just unbelievable. And I grossly
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Speaker 4: underestimated David Anthony Burke's net worth. He has millions and
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Speaker 4: millions of dollars.
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Speaker 1: That from our friend Lauren calling on X. Busted. Do
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Speaker 1: not mess with the tax man.
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Speaker 3: Don't.
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Speaker 1: I've got in my hands a franchise tax account status
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Speaker 1: indicating that the lawyer you were just hearing is absolutely correct. So, okay,
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Speaker 1: to you, Steve Fisher, joining us, you know Steve Fisher
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Speaker 1: very well. He is the PI, the private eye, that
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Speaker 1: while the LAPD and others are doing this, he goes
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Speaker 1: out and he goes from door cam to door cam
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Speaker 1: and actually identifies people D4VD, David Anthony Burks, Tesla being
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Speaker 1: moved around the neighborhood so it won't get booted.
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Speaker 3: Why?
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Speaker 1: Because Celeste's body is decomposing in the trunk. He did that.
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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher joining us tonight, owner of Search Investigations. Steve,
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Speaker 1: you've been to D4VD' s mansion. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: his claim, I'm broke, I want a whole fleet of
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Speaker 1: new lawyers?
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Speaker 5: He's not broke. You know, he transferred these assets, which
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Speaker 5: I think was to avoid civil litigation. There's two homes.
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Speaker 5: You know, one of them is $ 850, 000 home. The other
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Speaker 5: is $ 375, 000 home. Transferred to his mom. You know, I
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Speaker 5: don't know exactly why he's making this play now, but
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Speaker 5: this money's not going. If anything, all the people that
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Speaker 5: didn't know David before this happened, like myself, who have
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Speaker 5: played his streams, have brought in a tremendous amount of
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Speaker 5: revenue since this murder happened. He was the number one
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Speaker 5: Googled person uh, last year, uh, from all those new
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Speaker 5: people that brings in revenue. His mom was looking for
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Speaker 5: new revenue streams. If anything, if we're going to pay
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Speaker 5: the price for his defense, which could be two lawyers, if, uh,
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Speaker 5: it's a death penalty case, then I think Colleen Burke
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Speaker 5: or his mom needs to come and answer some questions
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Speaker 5: about where these assets are and why they were transferred.
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Speaker 1: Interesting. You said that Steve Fisher, Marissa Ray's joining us. Um,
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Speaker 1: She is a star of the light, true crime. Marissa,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true that the mother was not in court recently?
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Speaker 2: Nancy, that is correct. She has never once appeared in
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Speaker 2: that courtroom.
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Speaker 1: And back to you, Steve Fisher. What questions, if you
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Speaker 1: had the opportunity, would you pose to D4VD David Anthony
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Speaker 1: Burke's mother?
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Speaker 5: I'd say, listen, the official transcripts show that within days
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Speaker 5: of Celeste being found in that car, you were trying
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Speaker 5: to raise $ 2 million. in bail? Where did those funds go?
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Speaker 5: Why were those houses transferred out of a trust that
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Speaker 5: David's the trustee on into your name? And where are
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Speaker 5: those assets now? Have they been tapped into? Have they
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Speaker 5: been leveraged? Has any of that gone towards the support
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Speaker 5: of legal fees for David? Because they should. They were
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Speaker 5: his assets. And what's happening to the incoming money since
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Speaker 5: Interscope terminated his contract They're no longer taking that money
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Speaker 5: coming in from Spotify and everywhere else. Where's that money going?
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Speaker 1: Guys, tonight, D4VD, David Anthony Burke, for an unknown reason,
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Speaker 1: fires all of his lawyers, his high-profile lawyers, and brings
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Speaker 1: in a lawyer we are told he wanted that happens
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Speaker 1: to be a public defender. Where is the money? Where
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Speaker 1: has it gone? Has it been siphoned off and hidden?
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Speaker 1: Is he still somehow landing recording deals and making money
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Speaker 1: from behind bars? According to sources, he is. Back to
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Speaker 1: Marissa Rays joining us from The Light True Crime. Marissa,
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Speaker 1: what do you know? What happened when you went into court?
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Speaker 2: Nancy, we went into court that morning expecting to hear
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Speaker 2: some updates, a very simple arraignment. Maybe we're going to
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Speaker 2: hear an update on the death penalty if that will
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Speaker 2: be applied. Will there possibly be a plea? That was
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Speaker 2: a conversation in the hallway before going into the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: So you can imagine the shock when we go into
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Speaker 2: the courtroom. The attorneys were back in shock. session for
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Speaker 2: quite a while in the morning that made us all
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Speaker 2: question what was going on. And when they came back out,
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, David's attorneys are gone, a public
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Speaker 2: defender is stepping forward, and my tax money is now
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Speaker 2: going to pay for david burke's defense and i don't
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Speaker 2: believe that he is broke if anything that phrase comes
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Speaker 2: to mind show me the money.
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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight randolph rice high profile defense lawyer former
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Speaker 1: prosecutor at rice law Randolph Rice, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. You have represented many, many, let me just say,
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Speaker 1: wealthy clients. What do you make of someone that is
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Speaker 1: reportedly hiding $ 11 million with the help of others? Others
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Speaker 1: are helping, according to reports, helping him hide the money,
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Speaker 1: declaring indigency in court. I mean, come on. Isn't enough
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Speaker 1: that he allegedly murdered a 14-year-old girl? Is that not enough?
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Speaker 1: Now he's got to hide money too? According to reports,
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Speaker 1: $ 11 million. $ 11 million.
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Speaker 6: Nancy, I love you, but I think your reasoning is
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Speaker 6: flawed here, and here's a couple reasons why. First off, Mr.
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Speaker 6: Burke probably does not have access to any of those
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Speaker 6: accounts that are making money right now. They're either being
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Speaker 6: held by a trustee or somebody appointed by the court
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Speaker 6: or possibly a family member, and that does not get
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Speaker 6: considered when determining if you're eligible for a public defender. Secondly,
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Speaker 6: real estate. If it's real estate, you can't snap your
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Speaker 6: finger and turn a house into money. We all know
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Speaker 6: that in this market right now. You can't sell a
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Speaker 6: house because of the high interest rate. So that money
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Speaker 6: is not accessible. They did a financial evaluation.
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Speaker 1: What about put him up? They sold houses. They've got
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Speaker 1: the money. One of the houses worth a reported $ 850, 000.
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Speaker 1: So did you.
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Speaker 1: Celeste Rivas' body was in a kiddie pool in the garage.
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Speaker 1: And all the while, they are trying to make recording
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Speaker 1: deals for him from behind bars. They're trying to find
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Speaker 1: ways to leech more money and hide it, according to reports.
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Speaker 1: Those houses have been sold. So don't start telling me, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's a really bad market. I don't give a flying
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Speaker 1: fig about the market. And don't tell me, Randolph Rice,
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Speaker 1: that he could have $ 11 million in accounts, but he
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Speaker 1: can't access them? B.S. You can't just put somebody else's
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Speaker 1: name on $ 11 million and claim you can't get it.
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Speaker 6: Well, if the tax code and the codes in California
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Speaker 6: are set up that way, you can. You can move
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Speaker 6: money around. But here's the more important thing. That financial
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Speaker 6: evaluation that the public defender's office did found that he
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Speaker 6: did not have the assets. And let me just give
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Speaker 6: you a little behind the curtain here.
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Speaker 5: $ 800, 000.
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Speaker 6: Is probably not enough money to represent him. We're talking
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Speaker 6: about probably a defense from private attorneys of at least
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Speaker 6: a million dollars here. So you're telling me the family
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Speaker 6: is going to spend all their money on defending their son?
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Speaker 6: It just doesn't make sense. And that's why he's got
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Speaker 6: a public defense.
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Speaker 1: Why do you keep doing that, Randolph? Why do you
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Speaker 1: keep ignoring the facts? $ 11 million. $ 11 million. I just
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Speaker 1: mentioned the $ 850, 000 figure because that's what the house was worth.
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Speaker 1: There's the little problem for D4VD that he's got a
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Speaker 1: million dollars. He's sitting on it like gold, like a
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Speaker 1: dragon on its gold.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's there.
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Speaker 5: I think he blew it.
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Speaker 6: The lifestyle that he was living, the way he probably thought,
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Speaker 6: he's young. I don't care what happens in the future.
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Speaker 6: He blew through that money. I doubt that that money
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Speaker 6: is there and he has access to it. And that's
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Speaker 6: the other important thing here. Does he have access to it?
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Speaker 6: Did it get transferred to a family member? And in
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Speaker 6: the evaluations, they don't look at what your family's got.
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Speaker 6: They look at what you got. And if you're penniless,
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Speaker 6: you get a public defender.
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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be the first time a high-profile lawyer dumped
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Speaker 1: his client over money.
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Speaker 7: What we've learned, and you can take this to the bank, is.
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Speaker 1: That Pursuant to the laws of this state, pursuant.
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Speaker 8: To the law in California, Nick Reiner is not guilty
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Speaker 8: of murder.
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Speaker 3: Print that. You know, my name is Alan Jackson. This morning,
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Speaker 3: I had to withdraw as Nick Reiner's counsel.
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Speaker 4: Circumstances beyond our control, but more importantly, circumstances beyond Nick's control.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 8: Money.
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Speaker 1: Money. It's all about money. You know, to Dr. Janie
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Speaker 1: Lacey joining us, licensed psychotherapist, CEO of Life Counseling Solutions,
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Speaker 1: and author of How to Heal from a Toxic Relationship.
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Speaker 1: She is the star of Let's Talk About It with Dr.
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Speaker 1: Janie Lacey.
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Speaker 5: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Janie, it seems wrong that in the midst of fact-finding
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Speaker 1: about what happened to Celeste, how this child was ordered
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Speaker 1: up like a pizza, like Chinese food. She shows up
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Speaker 1: like Uber Eats on Uber. And that night, she's dead.
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Speaker 1: This little girl. who, according to reports, has been pregnant
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Speaker 1: by D4VD, got an abortion orchestrated by D4VD, was taken
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Speaker 1: out of the country across state lines with the knowledge
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Speaker 1: from her parents allowing it with D4VD. Now she's dead.
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Speaker 1: Because she thought, if you look at her ring finger, Dr. Janie,
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Speaker 1: this little girl was wearing a little engagement ring. Let's
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Speaker 1: see that, please. So in her mind, they were going
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Speaker 1: to live happily ever after, like the white picket fence,
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Speaker 1: the house, the children, the dog, the works. She's dead.
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Speaker 1: She's been disarticulated, rendered. Her body, her remains, were found
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Speaker 1: in D-40D's Tesla in the front, the front trunk. like
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Speaker 1: an old piece of luggage to decompose. But yet, in
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Speaker 1: a cold and calculated move, D4VD, David Anthony Burke, with
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Speaker 1: his financial advisors, they're not worried about Celeste. They're worried
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Speaker 1: about his money. You know, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: When I think about money, especially in cases like this,
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Speaker 7: I think about financial concealment. To me, it's not just
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Speaker 7: a legal strategy. It's a control tactic if we look
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Speaker 7: at individuals' behaviors and their patterns. like David Burke, I
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Speaker 7: see it consistently in my work with women who untangle
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Speaker 7: themselves from controlling partners, right? They move the money, they
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Speaker 7: obscure the money, make the truth impossible to pin down.
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Speaker 7: So to me, whether it's happening in a marriage or
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Speaker 7: allegedly in this courtroom, it's the same. You control the
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Speaker 7: narrative by controlling what people can prove. And if the
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Speaker 7: account is accurate, I mean, what we're watching to me
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Speaker 7: isn't a man out of money. We're watching someone managing
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Speaker 7: their perception the same way the prosecutors allege he manages
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Speaker 7: everyone else. So I believe it's about his image and
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Speaker 7: it's about control versus it truly being about money, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Another issue to Justice Scott Morgan is. When we talk
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Speaker 1: about us footing the bill for D4VD while he's allegedly
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Speaker 1: hoarding at least $ 11 million, it's all gone. Where did
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Speaker 1: it go? It's not just the lawyers we're going to
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Speaker 1: have to pay for. I mean, Dave Mack, try to
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Speaker 1: tally this up. Get out your calculator. How much the
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger fiasco cost us. Just got Morgan. It's not
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Speaker 1: just the lawyers. It's a whole fleet of forensics experts.
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Speaker 1: we are going to have to pay for holding our
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Speaker 1: nose because we're remembering Celeste Rivas and we got to
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Speaker 1: pay for that. I mean, what will the forensics team
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Speaker 1: entail and what kind of money am I looking at? Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for letting me address this, Nancy. People generally don't
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Speaker 3: think about this, but just dig this for a second. Murder,
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Speaker 3: in my opinion, at least, for potential perpetrators or alleged
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Speaker 3: perpetrators is a luxury item. And here we go. So
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Speaker 3: in this particular case, what you would need is going
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Speaker 3: to be probably a forensic pathologist, a forensic anthropologist, a
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Speaker 3: tool mark expert, probably a DNA person. And in addition
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Speaker 3: to that, maybe even a blood splatter expert. And here's
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Speaker 3: how this kind of cost breaks down. So you're talking
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Speaker 3: about 250 to maybe upwards of $ 600 per hour. And
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Speaker 3: the way this works is if, if just, we have
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Speaker 3: an expert that the attorney wants to call up and
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Speaker 3: engage a five minute, a five minute conversation on the phone.
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Speaker 3: If they're making 300 bucks an hour, guess what, baby?
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Speaker 3: We don't prorate that. It's $ 300. Whether you talk for
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Speaker 3: an hour or whether you talk for five minutes, uh,
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Speaker 3: And then they could do their own testing, which is
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Speaker 3: an additional cost. They have to generate their own report.
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Speaker 3: And we haven't even gotten into the cost of the testimony.
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of these people out there that
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Speaker 3: work as experts. The clock starts ticking when they're walking
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Speaker 3: out the door to go to the airport, and it
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Speaker 3: doesn't stop and they wind back up at home. So
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Speaker 3: he's on the clock. She's on the clock the entire time.
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Speaker 3: That's why this accrues at such a volume that most
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Speaker 3: people can't understand it. Not everybody's O.J. Simpson. You can't
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Speaker 3: go out and hire, God rest his soul, Dr. Henry Lee.
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Speaker 3: because you don't have those resources. This guy's talking about
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Speaker 3: dealing with a public defender, and that alone, in and
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Speaker 3: of itself, indicates to me that you're going to have
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Speaker 3: to go out and beg, borrow, and steal to get
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Speaker 3: anybody that's going to want to stand and do testing
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Speaker 3: and offer up testimony that could have the court look
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Speaker 3: in a different direction from what the prosecution is putting forward.
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Speaker 3: It is a very, very costly affair, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of forensics expert, this is a tiny taste of
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Speaker 1: what they're dealing with.
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Speaker 4: Today was an absolutely crushing day in the preliminary hearing.
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Speaker 4: The evidence that was put on by the prosecutor was
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Speaker 4: absolutely damning, showing the images of Celeste's decomposed body in
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Speaker 4: the trunk of the Tesla and the parents... were sitting
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Speaker 4: there and it was just absolutely horrible. But they wanted
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Speaker 4: to show strength and they're here for Celeste.
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Speaker 9: He was asked if he could identify any facial features
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Speaker 9: and he said no. It was so badly decomposed because
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Speaker 9: of skin slippage is what he called it. We also
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Speaker 9: saw a close up of her hands. We saw the
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Speaker 9: the fingers that were amputated. We saw the finger as
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Speaker 9: well from the other hand. And yeah, it was tough.
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Speaker 9: But again, he had his eyes just glued to the screen.
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Speaker 9: Deputy Juan Gonzalez from the Sheriff's Department in LA, who
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Speaker 9: was told- to go to david's house based on the
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Speaker 9: investigation that the riverside uh sheriff's department was doing when
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Speaker 9: celeste went missing so we saw body cam from that
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Speaker 9: where basically you know he talked to david and david
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Speaker 9: kind of said yeah she told me she was 18
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Speaker 9: but then i heard she was 13 we see the
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Speaker 9: photo of her by the way that yearbook photo and
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Speaker 9: man apparently she's in sixth grade there she looks younger
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Speaker 9: you guys she looks much younger um she had this
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Speaker 9: batman zip-up sweatshirt on that was just again um Yeah,
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Speaker 9: it was meant for.
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Speaker 1: A little kid. I thought she was 18. She told
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Speaker 1: me she was 13. Yet, he still got her pregnant.
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Speaker 1: Even though she told him she's 13, everyone around him
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Speaker 1: knew Celeste was a minor. Now Celeste is dead. Her
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Speaker 1: body decomposed in his trunk. That callous, callous treatment. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, the murky... methods, what a forensics team
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Speaker 1: is going to have to deal with is going to
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Speaker 1: be probably hundreds, if not thousands of hours of work.
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Speaker 1: And now I have to pay for D4VD to potentially
23:04
Speaker 1: walk free from this?
23:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. And it's going to be, you know,
23:09
Speaker 3: to say it's a copious amount of data to go through,
23:12
Speaker 3: it is. I mean, just think, Nancy, how long it's
23:14
Speaker 3: taken for us, the public, to see any kind of
23:17
Speaker 3: data about this. And the reason I think that they
23:20
Speaker 3: were so slow has to do with everything they were
23:24
Speaker 3: having to process because they didn't, they couldn't fully conceptualize
23:28
Speaker 3: what they were having to deal with because the body
23:30
Speaker 3: was in such an advanced state of decomposition. So you
23:33
Speaker 3: have to be very, very careful.
23:37
Speaker 1: Joe Scott.
23:38
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
23:38
Speaker 1: There's no nice way to put it. And this is
23:42
Speaker 1: how I would put it to a jury. If I
23:44
Speaker 1: had to, if I had to her body, was bones
23:50
Speaker 1: and goo.
23:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
23:52
Speaker 1: That's what the forensics experts are going to have to
23:55
Speaker 1: deal with.
23:56
Speaker 3: They're going to need a forensic.
23:58
Speaker 1: Entomologist to determine the age of the blowflies on her body.
24:02
Speaker 3: Go ahead. Yeah, the entomology, which I didn't mention, kind
24:05
Speaker 3: of goes hand in hand with the anthropologists. Here's another
24:08
Speaker 3: big one, Nancy, digital forensics. I mean, we haven't even
24:12
Speaker 3: touched on that. So they're going to have to have
24:15
Speaker 3: their own experts that will go mano a mano with
24:18
Speaker 3: the state's digital people to try to make their way
24:22
Speaker 3: through that. You know, you're showing the Tesla here. This
24:25
Speaker 3: is a great example, right? So you've got digital experts
24:28
Speaker 3: that are out there that can talk about these things.
24:30
Speaker 3: What if you've got to bring in somebody that's a
24:32
Speaker 3: specialist in Teslas? You know, how many times have we
24:35
Speaker 3: talked about all of the cameras that could have been
24:38
Speaker 3: engaged on this particular vehicle? You know, the movement of
24:42
Speaker 3: the vehicle. You had mentioned this earlier with Steve. you know,
24:45
Speaker 3: moving the vehicle around so that it's not necessarily associated
24:48
Speaker 3: with him. And everywhere that damn phone went with him
24:51
Speaker 3: or her phone or anybody that occupied that space in
24:54
Speaker 3: the house, just to try to understand this, you complicate
24:58
Speaker 3: it even further with things that's very granular like DNA
25:02
Speaker 3: and all that. And we haven't even talked about tool
25:05
Speaker 3: marks on bodies. Yeah, this, you can see the numbers
25:08
Speaker 3: just racking up here, dollar by dollar by dollar.
25:13
Speaker 1: Somehow, experts must be hired by the defense to show
25:19
Speaker 1: how Celeste did or did not end up in D-4BD's trunk.
25:27
Speaker 1: As you can see here, we did our own expert,
25:30
Speaker 1: that's our friend Scott Eicher, who mapped out and very
25:35
Speaker 1: carefully determined how Celeste ended up in the trunk. Recrees
25:42
Speaker 1: are expensive. Joe Scott Morgan, do you remember the last
25:44
Speaker 1: Recree recreation you and I did? It was about Ellen Greenberg.
25:48
Speaker 1: And it took days for you to set up at
25:52
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University.
25:54
Speaker 7: Days.
25:54
Speaker 1: It took me, I don't, a day, two days to
25:58
Speaker 1: go through the Recree with you. And it's all got
26:01
Speaker 1: to be filmed to bring into the courtroom. Then the
26:05
Speaker 1: defense will probably want a videographer. I mean, you and
26:08
Speaker 1: I just did it on the sly. But they're going
26:11
Speaker 1: to want professional videography, the whole shebang. And guess what? We,
26:17
Speaker 1: the taxpayers, are going to pay for it because according
26:19
Speaker 1: to reports, Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter, D4VD and
26:26
Speaker 1: others are siphoning off money. This is he is riffing
26:30
Speaker 1: from behind bars, making more money and hiding it.
26:34
Speaker 2: Really?
26:34
Speaker 1: Hit me, Dave.
26:37
Speaker 8: Nancy, the entire situation with D4VD claiming to be indigent
26:43
Speaker 8: and qualifying for a public defender goes beyond anything we
26:47
Speaker 8: can imagine. Just look at, you know, his estimated net worth, Nancy,
26:51
Speaker 8: prior to all of this starting, was somewhere between $ 2
26:54
Speaker 8: and $ 4 million.
26:55
Speaker 5: Five.
26:56
Speaker 8: Since all of this, remember, we've got $ 11 million coming
27:01
Speaker 8: from the record deal. Just that one deal, Interscope, $ 11 million.
27:07
Speaker 8: He has corporate holdings, Nancy. Now, these are records that
27:11
Speaker 8: are in the public now where he is listed as the.
27:14
Speaker 1: Owner and director.
27:15
Speaker 8: Hold on.
27:16
Speaker 1: Hold on.
27:17
Speaker 3: Whoa, Nellie.
27:18
Speaker 1: I want to go back to that. Did I just
27:20
Speaker 1: actually see? having someone rub oil on him as he's
27:25
Speaker 1: wearing I Love Boobs t-shirt. Okay, I just had to pause.
27:32
Speaker 1: This is a guy who went into a snit because
27:35
Speaker 1: his high-priced lawyers couldn't get him bail and he wanted
27:38
Speaker 1: a new sale. I guess he does because he's been
27:41
Speaker 1: living in this Hollywood mansion with this fleet of assistants
27:45
Speaker 1: and suck-ups surrounding, rubbing oil on him and catering to
27:49
Speaker 1: his every whim. I don't get it. That's a whole
27:51
Speaker 1: nother question for Dr. Janie about how you send your kid,
27:55
Speaker 1: your teen, your teen to live in, some people say,
28:01
Speaker 1: Sin City, the den of iniquity. I don't say that.
28:03
Speaker 1: We're talking about LA. I thought Vegas had that title.
28:06
Speaker 1: But that said, you go send your teen to live
28:10
Speaker 1: in LA, no chaperone, no anything. Okay, Dave May, I
28:16
Speaker 1: just had to point out, I don't know if you
28:18
Speaker 1: can see your monitor because you're in the field. But
28:20
Speaker 1: there are people rubbing oil on D4BD, and he's wearing
28:25
Speaker 1: his I Love Boobs T-shirt. Okay, Dave Mack, back to you.
28:31
Speaker 9: Money.
28:31
Speaker 3: All right. Back to this.
28:34
Speaker 8: The financial situation looks like this, Nancy. He got $ 11
28:38
Speaker 8: million in the Interscope deal alone. Now, remember, his claim
28:41
Speaker 8: to fame was on multi-platforms, particularly YouTube, TikTok. The videos
28:47
Speaker 8: that he was making, that's what launched his entire career.
28:50
Speaker 8: And we have no real accounting on that money. He
28:53
Speaker 8: has corporate holdings. Now, these are companies where David Anthony
28:57
Speaker 8: Burke is listed as the owner and or director D4VD Entertainment,
29:03
Speaker 8: Skull Rose Merchandising, and Headspace Publishing. In the time leading
29:08
Speaker 8: up to September 2025, each one of these was making bank.
29:12
Speaker 8: Remember the shirts that we showed in our coverage, the
29:15
Speaker 8: bloodstained shirts? All that money going through one of these
29:19
Speaker 8: companies headed up by Dave and Anthony Burke. His music earnings, Nancy,
29:23
Speaker 8: we're looking at Interscope revealing that Burke has earned at
29:28
Speaker 8: least $ 10 million over the last two and a half years. Overall,
29:33
Speaker 8: the contract was valued at nearly $ 19 million before they
29:37
Speaker 8: terminated it. And I would like to point out that
29:40
Speaker 8: none of it was terminated until after Celeste Rebus was
29:45
Speaker 8: identified as the girl in David Anthony Burke's trunk. and
29:50
Speaker 8: kind of boggles the mind they waited until that date,
29:53
Speaker 8: not the day a body was found in their singer's car.
29:57
Speaker 8: The asset transfers, you've already mentioned this briefly, the court
30:00
Speaker 8: records indicate that David Anthony Burke's family transferring ownership of
30:08
Speaker 8: his real estate, that would be Burke's real estate and properties,
30:11
Speaker 8: into his mother's name.
30:14
Speaker 3: And all of this.
30:14
Speaker 8: Happening right after authorities searched his residences. That just gives
30:20
Speaker 8: you the overall look at financial structure.
30:23
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm just trying to figure out how much money
30:29
Speaker 1: he would get if he recorded lyrics from behind bars
30:35
Speaker 1: and had somebody on the outside laying the music, i.e.
30:41
Speaker 1: his little brother, who has now been drafted to fill
30:44
Speaker 1: his shoes in the music industry? How much money would
30:49
Speaker 1: a behind-bars set from D4VD rake in? Isn't it true
30:58
Speaker 1: to Marissa Reyes joining us, star of The Light True Crime?
31:05
Speaker 1: Isn't it true that there are reports that He is
31:11
Speaker 1: making music from behind bars, and his family is trying
31:14
Speaker 1: to think of ways to capitalize off his imprisonment? Correct.
31:21
Speaker 2: We heard that his mother, Colleen Roberts Burke, was still
31:25
Speaker 2: having a lawyer to try to find an entertainment representation
31:29
Speaker 2: for him while he's been locked away this entire time.
31:34
Speaker 2: And it proves the question, is this actually possible? proving
31:38
Speaker 2: that there has been the financial gain special circumstance in
31:42
Speaker 2: this case, by this fact alone, by trying to claim
31:45
Speaker 2: that he is suddenly broke, he cannot pay for his defense,
31:50
Speaker 2: but he's had all this time since before he was
31:53
Speaker 2: arrested in April, he was out there. He was holed
31:56
Speaker 2: up in another Hollywood mansion and we don't know what
32:00
Speaker 2: he was doing there, making more music, preparing for if
32:03
Speaker 2: he was going to be arrested. He had a lot
32:06
Speaker 2: of time to make plans to make income once he
32:09
Speaker 2: was arrested.
32:10
Speaker 1: So, Dr. Janie, joining us tonight, licensed psychotherapist, Life Counseling Solutions.
32:19
Speaker 1: How do you send your son away to live alone
32:24
Speaker 1: and unchaperoned? Let me confirm that. Steve Fisher joining us,
32:29
Speaker 1: who's been on this case and really cracked a lot
32:31
Speaker 1: of the evidence and handed it over to the LAPD
32:34
Speaker 1: on a silver platter. he is the owner of Search Investigations.
32:39
Speaker 1: Is it true that he was basically completely unchaperoned in
32:44
Speaker 1: that home? He could keep Celeste holed up in the
32:47
Speaker 1: bedroom day and night. In fact, she actually texted him,
32:50
Speaker 1: I want more for myself other than just hanging out
32:53
Speaker 1: and having sex with you.
32:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, really the only person overseeing him was
33:00
Speaker 5: Rob Morgenrath, his co-manager who was living in the house who, who,
33:04
Speaker 5: we know we've heard from accounts that said the only
33:06
Speaker 5: thing he was concerned about was making sure that the
33:10
Speaker 5: tour went on as planned, which means, you know, revenue
33:13
Speaker 5: coming in. And, and there's also, you know, from the
33:16
Speaker 5: first day testimony, it came out that the financial advisor
33:20
Speaker 5: asked Rob what happened and Rob told him, you know,
33:23
Speaker 5: what happened and he changed his grand jury testimony. So,
33:27
Speaker 5: you know, there's people that I think know a lot
33:28
Speaker 5: of information about what he did and how he was
33:31
Speaker 5: living and, the secrets he was holding, and they were
33:34
Speaker 5: living right in the house with him. So he didn't
33:36
Speaker 5: have anybody that was keeping him in check. Dr.
33:40
Speaker 1: Janie Lacey, how does that happen?
33:42
Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, I have a lot to say about that,
33:44
Speaker 7: but I'll keep it short. You know, I think when
33:45
Speaker 7: you remove guardrails, we actively teach young people that the
33:50
Speaker 7: normal rules and the normal consequences, the normal, like you
33:54
Speaker 7: don't get to have what you want.
33:55
Speaker 1: I mean, those are for other people. And to me,
33:58
Speaker 1: that's the definition of entitlement. That's not ambition. That's not confidence.
34:02
Speaker 7: You know, so I could make some assumptions about the
34:05
Speaker 7: family dynamics. But I think when we look at entitlement,
34:08
Speaker 7: a genuine belief that access and obedience and forgiveness are
34:12
Speaker 7: owed to you rather than they're earned. And entitlement is
34:15
Speaker 7: exactly what erases boundaries, Nancy. It's what lets someone look
34:18
Speaker 7: at a 13 year old and see an option instead
34:21
Speaker 7: of a child. It's what lets someone allegedly calculates that
34:24
Speaker 7: a life is worth less than a career. So I
34:27
Speaker 7: look at the ego, you know, and all those things
34:29
Speaker 7: that on their own, they don't just build a criminal,
34:31
Speaker 7: but entitlement with zero accountability around it. Nobody close enough
34:35
Speaker 7: like family are brave enough to ever say no. That's
34:38
Speaker 7: the environment where boundary violations stop feeling like violations at all.
34:42
Speaker 7: And I'll just leave it right there, Nancy.
34:51
Speaker 1: Speaking of family, to Marissa Reyes joining us, star of
35:02
Speaker 1: The Light True Crime. Marissa, we understand that now Celeste's
35:07
Speaker 1: family is demanding justice. But how long did Celeste... date
35:15
Speaker 1: D4VD and who gave permission for her to travel out
35:19
Speaker 1: of the country as a child with D4VD?
35:25
Speaker 2: Well, Celeste first encountered David online at the age of 11.
35:30
Speaker 2: And I want to commend you because you always refer
35:32
Speaker 2: to her as a young girl, a child, and too
35:35
Speaker 2: many people refer to her as a woman or try
35:38
Speaker 2: to point her that she was able to make a
35:41
Speaker 2: decision in to consent to this relationship, which it was not.
35:45
Speaker 2: That had to be an abusive relationship. However, there were guardianship,
35:50
Speaker 2: not guardianship papers, but papers signed so that she could
35:54
Speaker 2: travel out of the country by both of her parents
35:59
Speaker 2: to go overseas. We also know that she traveled with
36:01
Speaker 2: David within the United States to his home in Texas
36:06
Speaker 2: after that out of country trip. So there was knowledge
36:10
Speaker 2: from the family as well of her whereabouts at some point.
36:14
Speaker 2: And we do understand that with this preliminary hearing, we
36:17
Speaker 2: got a lot of new information. However, we do feel
36:19
Speaker 2: that we still are just scratching the surface of what
36:22
Speaker 2: was actually known. There's so much more to learn. A
36:26
Speaker 2: big key here is that there's 40 terabytes. When we
36:30
Speaker 2: talk about the cost of this case and the cost
36:33
Speaker 2: of experts, we also have to look at the 40
36:35
Speaker 2: terabytes of data and what is in that. We also
36:39
Speaker 2: know that there is a wiretap on this case. There's
36:42
Speaker 2: more information from a grand jury that we don't know
36:45
Speaker 2: about yet. The grand jury was not really allowed to
36:47
Speaker 2: be mentioned during the preliminary hearing. So how much more
36:51
Speaker 2: is there that we have yet to uncover to find
36:54
Speaker 2: out exactly what happened where this young girl had access
36:58
Speaker 2: to this star in the Hollywood Hills and things went
37:03
Speaker 2: the way they did? It's horrific and it's terrifying to
37:07
Speaker 2: find out what we don't know.
37:08
Speaker 1: You know, Joe Scott Morgan, professor of forensics and star
37:12
Speaker 1: of a YouTube hit, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
37:17
Speaker 1: When we are showing them playing music and laughing and
37:21
Speaker 1: playing on video, let's say that video you were just showing,
37:24
Speaker 1: Control Room. A lot of people see D4VD, David Anthony Burke,
37:29
Speaker 1: having fun with his friends in his Hollywood mansion. I
37:32
Speaker 1: see ghouls. Ghouls. They all knew Celeste was underage. We've
37:38
Speaker 1: heard conversations off cam where they were talking about what
37:43
Speaker 1: did Celeste look like. This is after her disappearance and death.
37:49
Speaker 1: They all know something is afoot. Now, they're not charged
37:54
Speaker 1: as defendants or suspects. But this little girl hooked up
37:59
Speaker 1: with D4VD when she's 11 years old. Old Joe Scott, 11.
38:08
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of my daughter and son at age 11.
38:14
Speaker 1: And now she's disarticulated. She is no more. She's left
38:19
Speaker 1: to rot in a trash bag.
38:22
Speaker 5: Yep.
38:24
Speaker 3: And also don't forget he bought a body bag, Nancy.
38:29
Speaker 3: He bought a body bag that was utilized as well.
38:33
Speaker 3: It's the only time I think in my memory, I've
38:36
Speaker 3: ever covered a case that actually involved a body bag
38:40
Speaker 3: as a piece of evidence. I'm fascinated by that. The
38:45
Speaker 3: idea that, again, that goes to prior thought, right? You
38:49
Speaker 3: begin to think about this. What are we going to need?
38:51
Speaker 3: You talked about the kiddie pool earlier. And then you're
38:54
Speaker 3: going to go out and order a body bag. You're
38:57
Speaker 3: going to have that there. That's, to me, as an investigator,
39:01
Speaker 3: that's quite profound, I have to say. And one more thing.
39:05
Speaker 3: And I know that other people have not been charged,
39:08
Speaker 3: but let's just think about this logically. She's occupying a
39:11
Speaker 3: space in this dwelling there in the hills, and she's young, right?
39:17
Speaker 3: And she's there all the time, all right? You're going
39:20
Speaker 3: to tell me that suddenly she vanishes into thin air,
39:25
Speaker 3: and she's known to be with him, him being an
39:28
Speaker 3: individual that has to have the entire support of all
39:33
Speaker 3: these people in his world to help him do things.
39:36
Speaker 3: And the biggest thing that he is alleged to have
39:39
Speaker 3: probably done in his life right now relative to a
39:44
Speaker 3: homicide and also rendering down of remains and getting rid
39:48
Speaker 3: of remains is he didn't have anybody helping with that.
39:51
Speaker 3: It just, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense. And then
39:54
Speaker 3: you've got all of these other comments that are being made.
39:57
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about the smell, right? Smell talking about, well,
40:01
Speaker 3: that was related to my bathroom. And then you're talking about,
40:04
Speaker 3: you know, we have that videography of them in the bathroom.
40:07
Speaker 3: Do you remember that? The, the, the girls in the
40:10
Speaker 3: mirror and they're putting on, and you got the conversation
40:12
Speaker 3: that's going on in the background. To me, it just,
40:15
Speaker 3: it doesn't, it doesn't add up from an investigative standpoint.
40:19
Speaker 3: I think that other people have knowledge of this and
40:21
Speaker 3: I'm very curious to see how the authorities in LA
40:24
Speaker 3: are leveraging that knowledge. I think, I think we'll find
40:27
Speaker 3: out more about that. To Randolph Rice, former.
40:31
Speaker 1: Prosecutor, renowned criminal defense attorney at Rice Law MD. What
40:51
Speaker 1: a fine fellow. He's comparing the smell of Celeste Rivas,
40:57
Speaker 1: the little girl, decomposing body as a disgusting bathroom, for
41:03
Speaker 1: lack of a better term. That's how he explains it.
41:07
Speaker 1: And don't think the jury's not going to see what
41:09
Speaker 1: I just showed you, laughing off the smell of her
41:12
Speaker 1: decomposing body, claiming he just use the bathroom to put
41:16
Speaker 1: it mildly, but that's not all, Randolph. That's not all.
41:19
Speaker 1: I want you to take a look at these texts
41:22
Speaker 1: that we have managed to get our mitts on. I'm
41:26
Speaker 1: sorry again, baby. I didn't ever want to put you
41:30
Speaker 1: through this. It's okay, though.
41:32
Speaker 3: Don't worry.
41:32
Speaker 1: Neither of us are capable of watching it and taking
41:35
Speaker 1: care of the baby. There's more. I have pregnancy symptoms.
41:40
Speaker 1: What if the first abortion didn't work? Okay, Randolph Rice, again,
41:49
Speaker 1: I got to pay for this guy's defense. How do
41:54
Speaker 1: I find out? Do they trace, does the court trace
41:59
Speaker 1: money movement in and out of his accounts? I mean,
42:02
Speaker 1: we got a hold of the tax documents just like that.
42:05
Speaker 6: Public defender's offices typically do that asset verification where they
42:09
Speaker 6: are provided different bank accounts. They'll ask, how many bank
42:12
Speaker 6: accounts do you have? Where do you have all their money?
42:15
Speaker 6: And the defendant will provide information. They sometimes have the
42:18
Speaker 6: ability to go and look in those accounts to see
42:20
Speaker 6: how much money is there. And if they're not satisfied
42:22
Speaker 6: that there's enough there to qualify, then that's when ultimately
42:25
Speaker 6: they say, yes, you do qualify for a public defender.
42:27
Speaker 6: And that seems to be the situation here. Now, there
42:30
Speaker 6: is sometimes a lot of self-reporting and self-reporting often, as
42:35
Speaker 6: we know, sometimes cannot be true. But that's what they
42:37
Speaker 6: will rely on to move forward with providing a public defender.
42:43
Speaker 1: Rice, did you see that last screen? Celeste writes, I
42:48
Speaker 1: killed my kid for you. I'd do anything to have
42:51
Speaker 1: it back. Took an innocent life of a literal baby.
42:57
Speaker 1: His response, I'm saddened by the way it was conceived
43:02
Speaker 1: outside of marriage, but I don't dwell on it. I
43:07
Speaker 1: don't dwell on it. This is a little girl. having
43:13
Speaker 1: to figure out an abortion, having had an abortion, and he, quote,
43:22
Speaker 1: doesn't dwell on it.
43:26
Speaker 6: All of which are horrible situations, obviously, for this young woman,
43:30
Speaker 6: this young girl, excuse me, to go through. But I
43:32
Speaker 6: want to point out something, and I think Joe Scott
43:35
Speaker 6: Morgan actually just made my case for the defense here.
43:39
Speaker 6: He stated just a few minutes ago that there's got
43:41
Speaker 6: to be somebody else involved. That's the problem here, Nancy.
43:44
Speaker 6: There's too many people around who should have seen something
43:49
Speaker 6: and didn't see anything, or there should have been somebody
43:51
Speaker 6: that probably helped him, or there could have been the
43:55
Speaker 6: entourage member who was actually the person who did this.
44:02
Speaker 1: Do I look like I just fell off the turnip truck?
44:05
Speaker 1: I don't think I do, because the devil has Beelzebub
44:10
Speaker 1: as a henchperson, but that doesn't mean his name ain't Satan.
44:14
Speaker 1: So I don't care if anybody did or did not
44:17
Speaker 1: help D4VD David Anthony Burke. Haven't you ever heard of
44:20
Speaker 1: the concept of co-defendants? Don't, you know what?
44:24
Speaker 4: Bye.
44:25
Speaker 1: Guys, if you know or think you know anything regarding
44:29
Speaker 1: the death and disarticulation of this girl, Celeste Rivas, please
44:36
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44:43
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44:48
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44:50
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44:59
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Speaker 1: our guests, but especially to you for being with us tonight.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off for tonight. I'll see you tomorrow night.
45:25
Speaker 1: And until then, good night, friend.