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Miley Cyrus (2020) - Personal Growth, Relationships and Finding Balance · The Joe Rogan Recap

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  Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Hey there.
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  Today we're diving into a really interesting conversation Joe
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  Rogan had with Miley Cyrus. This was JRE episode hashtag
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  1531, and our mission really is to unpack the big insights from
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  that chat. We're going to focus on, you
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  know, Miley's thoughts on her voice, how it's changed.
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  Yeah, like a history almost. Exactly, and her whole journey
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  with fame, how she navigated that and just how her
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  perspectives on life have evolved this story, it really
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  is. So our source material for this
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  deep dive, it's excerpts from the transcript of that episode,
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  hashtag 1531 from the powerful JRE YouTube channel.
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  Got it. OK, so where do we start?
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  Well, what's fascinating like right off the bat, is this focus
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  on her voice. Not just her singing, but her
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  speaking voice. She tells the story about a
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  stranger in a Boston museum. Oh yeah, I remember that.
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  The person was just captivated by how she sounded.
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  Totally. Didn't even connect it to her
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  singing necessarily, just the sound of her voice.
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  It kind of highlights how unique it is, doesn't it?
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  It really does, and it wasn't like a fan thing, just intrigue.
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  Which leads into how she sees her own voice changing.
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  Yeah, she talks about that, compares it to how she sounded
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  back in the Ham, Montana days, which apparently her nieces and
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  nephews still watch. Wow, blast from the past.
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  Right. But a big part of that change
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  was this vocal surgery she had for Frankie's edema.
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  Frankie's edema, yeah, that's basically swelling in the vocal
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  cords, usually from overuse, long term strain.
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  OK. And what's interesting is her
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  doctor apparently said it's not that common for someone her age.
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  She was, what, around 27 then? Yeah, about that.
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  Usually you see it in older people maybe.
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  Typically, yeah, 6070 sometimes. So it makes you think you know
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  what led to it so young. And she has ideas about that,
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  Yeah. She pointed to starting touring
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  so young, like 12 or 13. Not young.
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  Wow. Yeah, and it wasn't only the
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  singing putting strain on her voice.
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  It was all the talking, you know, late nights after shows.
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  Right, the constant use. And she said that kind of
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  morphed into smoking later on. Exactly.
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  It's like she sees her voice as this physical record of her
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  life, her experiences. That's a really powerful
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  metaphor. Like she compared it to wrinkles
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  on a face, didn't she? Each one telling a story.
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  Yeah, yeah, and she mentioned this comment someone made about
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  her sounding like she smoked too much.
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  And it sort of hit home for her. It really resonated, yeah,
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  because it was part of her truth then.
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  Like her voice had collected dirt, she called it.
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  Dirt. Yeah, it sounds negative, but
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  she actually saw the surgery as a positive thing.
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  Totally. She called it a gift.
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  A gift? How so?
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  Well, because it forced her to actually understand her
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  instrument. You know her voice in a way
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  music lessons maybe hadn't taught her.
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  OK. Like understanding longevity.
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  Rest that. Kind of thing.
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  Precisely. Vocal rest.
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  She felt that wasn't really built into her schedule back
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  then during that intense early career.
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  She made that comparison to athletes right, how they have
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  recovery days factored in. Yeah, that was a great point.
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  Performers don't always get that structured recovery for their
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  main tool, their voice. It really highlights the
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  pressure. So OK, shifting a bit, let's
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  talk about navigating that fame and her identity through it all.
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  Right. Being thrown into that spotlight
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  so young, she said it kind of forced her to learn balance.
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  Like being chucked in the deep end A.
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  Trial by fire definitely. And tied into this, she
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  mentioned being sober since the surgery.
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  She connected the late nights, the smoking directly to, well,
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  messing up her voice, but also just her general well-being.
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  Makes sense, but it's also interesting how she talked about
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  her public opinions becoming her identity almost.
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  Yeah, like feeling she was becoming a preacher.
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  So she wanted to clarify, you know, alcohol wasn't really the
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  issue for her. So why the sobriety now?
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  Honestly she mainly just hates the hangovers.
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  Says they're really severe for her.
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  Which, OK, pretty relatable. Yeah, fair enough.
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  But her thinking goes beyond just her own stuff.
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  She talked about talking to kids, right?
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  Oh yeah. Advocating for being really
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  honest with kids about, you know, drugs, sex, the tough
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  stuff, Not pretending everything's a sunshine world.
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  That's a definite perspective. And didn't she have an idea for
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  like a children's book series? Yes, a realistic 1 illustrated
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  by Wayne Coyne from The Flaming Lips.
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  Wow. OK, that would be unique.
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  Definitely unique. She also touched on her public
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  divorce and the narratives around it.
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  Right, the frustration with how it's portrayed, often
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  inaccurately. And she made that point about
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  the time lag. What happens privately versus
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  when the public hears about it? Yeah, there's often a big gap
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  people don't see. Yeah, you miss the whole
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  context, the evolution of things.
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  Seems like she learned from her dad Billy Ray and his own
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  experiences with bad press. Basically, try not to get sucked
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  into it. Easier said than done, I
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  imagine. For sure, but she does
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  appreciate how faster media like podcasts let's her tell her side
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  more in real time compared to, say, a magazine interview that
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  comes out months later. Yeah, that Vanity Fair example
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  she gave? The story's already old news by
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  the time it prints. Podcasts are immediate.
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  Exactly which ties into how people perceive her.
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  She finds it weird when people meet her and are like oh you're
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  not as crazy as I thought. Where does she think that comes
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  from? Well, that huge contrast, right
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  between the wholesome Hannah Montana image and then her later
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  more, let's say, provocative stuff.
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  People build up this idea. So she's had to actively fight
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  against believing those labels herself.
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  Yeah, she used the word unprogram, Unprogram herself
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  from internalizing all the negative things written about
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  her. That takes serious mental
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  effort, especially under that level of scrutiny.
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  And she also pushed back on the idea that Hollywood caused her
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  struggles. Right, pointing to a family
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  history of alcoholism, suggesting the roots might be
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  deeper than just the industry environment.
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  OK, so let's pivot to health and well-being more broadly.
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  She talked about seeing Doctor Daniel.
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  Amen. Yes, after having some anxiety
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  attacks triggered by reading his book.
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  Change Your Brain, Change Your Life.
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  OK. And that led her to experiment
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  with her diet and other things. Yeah, cutting out weed,
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  psychedelics, even gluten for a while, just to see, you know,
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  how her body reacted to different things, trying to
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  understand it better. And she had those brain scans
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  done. Spic D scans.
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  SPECT scans. They show blood flow and
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  activity in the brain. And the results were surprising.
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  Apparently, yeah. Despite what she called past
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  abuse, the scan looked pretty good.
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  Interesting. But it kind of reinforced for
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  her, you know, the need for a healthy lifestyle, supplements,
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  good food, especially with her career stress, again, like an
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  athlete. Yeah, that athlete analogy keeps
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  coming back. It fits.
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  She also mentioned a head injury from childhood.
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  Oh right, hitting her head on a tree riding a dirt bike with her
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  dad and she wondered about the potential long term impact of
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  that. And she connected TBI traumatic
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  brain injury to potential substance use later on.
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  That's a heavy connection to consider.
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  It is. And Speaking of health, she
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  talked about diet again, specifically bringing fish back
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  in after being vegan for a long time.
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  Why the change there? What prompted that?
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  It was about how she felt, particularly her brain function,
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  she said. She felt slowed down as a strict
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  vegan and adding fish back the Omega threes made her feel
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  sharper, more mentally clear. So it was less about the ethics
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  for her at that point and more about individual nutritional
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  needs. Exactly.
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  She made that distinction. She's still got like 22 animals
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  on her farm, so the ethical side is clearly still important to
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  her, but her brain needed something different.
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  Makes sense. And wasn't there a physical
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  thing too? Hip pain.
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  Yeah, hip pain also played into rethinking the vegan diet.
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  Plus she mentioned being overly flexible.
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  Shoulder dislocations, things like that.
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  So she does Pilates, which helps, but she felt she needed
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  more intense cardio, hence the new punching bag she mentioned.
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  Right, getting that aggression out too maybe.
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  And she uses CBD for pain. Yeah, finds it helpful for
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  managing those physical issues. OK, so moving into
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  relationships, personal growth, she talked about being called
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  cold. Yeah, for how she moves on after
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  relationships end, but she pushes back on that saying she
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  actually connects very intensely.
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  But the perception is different and she noticed a pattern,
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  didn't she? She did that.
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  The Kohl's label tends to OU right when she's about to
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  release new music. Interesting, like maybe it's
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  tied to her being super focused on work then?
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  That's what she suggested, and she really values her autonomy
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  in relationships, said She doesn't need to be in one.
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  That's a strong stance and she saw that upcoming VMA
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  performance at the time as a debuting this new single self.
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  Exactly A statement of her evolution, her independence.
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  She talked a lot about resilience too, not letting
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  people make her feel bad for being strong.
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  Yeah. Not feeling guilty for
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  self-sufficiency. Let's talk family for a bit.
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  Her dad, Billy Ray. His fame experience was
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  different, she noted, because of his background.
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  Right. Growing up in Appalachia very
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  different from her starting in the industry so young, but her
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  mom was key early on. Hugely influential in her early
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  career and still a source of guidance now.
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  Very close relationship there. And the stories about her dad's
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  birthday. Giant pizza?
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  The bubble gum bath, Huh? Yeah, paints quite a picture,
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  right? Two blackberries, Loves bubble
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  baths and pizza. Quirky guy.
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  Definitely sounds like it and she mentioned her siblings too
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  brazen being hesitant about fame.
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  Despite being talented and her sister Noah also a musician but
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  with a maybe different perspective on things than
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  Miley. It shows how fame hits everyone
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  in a family differently. And then there's Dolly Parton.
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  Yes, her godmother and mentor still communicating via fax and
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  e-mail. Fax.
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  That's amazing. And Dolly hates hoodies.
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  Apparently so. Miley really looks up to how
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  Dolly just owned who she was right from the start.
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  And Stevie Nicks too, mentioned her support.
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  Having mentors like that must be invaluable.
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  OK, artistic expression. She's talking about ayahuasca.
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  Wow. Yeah, that was intense, vivid
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  imagery about her diet. Like puking up seals.
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  Yikes. Memorable, though she also had
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  that thought about brilliant artists often being kind of
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  crazy. And that pain can fuel
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  creativity. She even felt her voice
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  physically changed or something was unleashed after her house
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  burned down. Wow, big life events shaking
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  things up artistically. She sees her whole life is a
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  kind of performance art. Yeah, which she admitted makes
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  it hard sometimes to just be present, be in the moment.
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  I can see that. And again, she likes the
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  directness of platforms like Joe's podcast.
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  No magazine delay. Right, more control over her
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  narrative now to directing her own music videos.
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  Interested in more film work? Taking the reins creatively and
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  she had a strong vision for that VMA performance.
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  Focusing on the music, pushing back on typical beauty stuff for
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  women performers. Yeah, she talked about needing
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  clarity and respect from directors on set to standing up
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  for her vision, which probably comes from those early career
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  pressures. That unconventional school on
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  tour, as she called it. It must have been incredibly
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  demanding. No kidding, she mentioned her
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  album breakout was her first real stab at moving past Hannah
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  Montana. Right, establishing her own
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  identity, Right? And that SoundCloud release with
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  The Flaming Lips? That was just for the fans.
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  Yeah, a gift. No commercial expectations, just
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  art for art's sake. That's cool.
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  And the story behind Malibu written in a car.
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  Yeah, just reflecting on her relationship, new experiences,
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  kind of spontaneous. She also has this pre show
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  ritual. Oh yeah?
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  What's that? Listening to other artists music
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  right before she goes on helps get her out of her own head, she
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  said. Interesting technique, kind of
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  resets the focus. It feels like she's constantly
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  figuring out this fame thing, trying to keep some normalcy.
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  Definitely, and she's very aware of the downsides like social
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  media filters impacting body image, mental health, especially
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  thinking about her younger siblings.
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  That's a big concern. She also admitted to sort of
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  looking at negative comments. Yeah, almost like an addiction,
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  she said. But she avoids positive
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  feedback, too. Like song stats maybe?
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  Keep herself hungry, keep working hard.
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  Could be that internal push pull again, but she seems really open
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  to collaborating, connecting with other artists.
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  And it was nice how she ended talking about RuPaul's Drag
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  Race, finding it so positive and inspiring.
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  Yeah, a contrast to all the true crime stuff out there.
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  A dose of joy. So yeah, as we wrap this deep
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  dive, Miley's conversation really gives you this unique
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  look at growing up under intense fame.
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  It really does. Her insights on her voice,
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  identity, personal growth, lots to think about.
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  Yeah, her voice is that living record, The complexities of
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  being so public, her commitment to figuring things out.
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  It's compelling stuff. And it highlights those
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  challenges, right? Staying well when your life is
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  so extraordinary. It's an ongoing process.
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  Absolutely. So we hope this deep dive gave
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  you a richer feel for Miley's reflections.
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  Maybe something's resonated with you.
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  Maybe you have more questions. Yeah, definitely check out the
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  full episode if you want even more context.
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  And maybe something to think about after listening to all
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  this. You know our own voices, literal
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  and figurative, change with our experiences too.
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  So what stories is your voice telling right now?