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Gang of Three: All Wet in New York · The Orange and Brown Report

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good evening Browns fans and welcome to the gang of three the three being myself Pete Smith Lane Adkins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How you doing guys?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doing well I Can hear I can hear the excitement over the Cleveland Browns in your voice lane We have to now we have a civic duty
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[SPEAKER_01]: to explain what the heck went on on Sunday is the Browns Law 17 to 12 to the New York Jets on a horrible field, on a horrible weather day, just pretty miserable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason it was most miserable is because of the offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The offense wound up with 198 net yards, 13 first downs on the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: season lows in both cases, they averaged about three yards of play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, based on the four-down system that we have in the NFL, that ain't going to work and it did not work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They gave up eight sacks for 53 yards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They went four or 16 and a third down, over two on fourth down,
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of which ruined a very good day on the part of the defense and particularly Quincy Williams, who forced three fumbles on the day, just amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Pete thinks really seemed to go south for the Cleveland Browns with about six minutes left in the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were up 12 to nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great cash by Denzel Boston put him on top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Schmidt hit the right upright on the kick, so it wasn't 13 to nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a that point, thanks seem to have changed, but at 413 left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carson Swesinger strip, Chino Smith of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Browns get the ball at the just 43.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: bad things happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you remember that sequence fairly well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It ended in a boxed punt, but you know, the team only burned a few seconds off the clock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm not sure exactly how much it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not my many seconds off the clock in that force down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What
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[SPEAKER_01]: if you were Todd Munkin with the Browns up too, and the ball and Jeff Stewart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, ultimately, the clock element became irrelevant when then botched the punt, but you obviously want to move the ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Perfect world, you score a touch sound.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You basically win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The fact of the matter is that they ran sideways, Quintch-on-Chukets was only able to get a yard and jump on a balance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not ideal, but not all that big.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not necessarily a problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The problem was that the next two plays yielded them nothing, ran no clock because they were both in complete.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and put them in a situation where they had to punt, and then by virtue of the botched punt, all of a sudden, them not running off clock was actually beneficial for them because they needed it, and had two more opportunities to go down the field and couldn't get it done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Lane, at this point on that botched punt, do you just write it off to the weather, or was that
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're still you're playing in a national football league and you're not expected to make mistakes like that regardless of your weather situation so you know that was just a simply play was a high snap you went up couldn't couldn't feel it and the rest is history you you have to make plays like that and the bronze continue to be their own worst enemy yeah that is certainly true on the final drive
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they had the ball, I'd say a bond dropped a ball that it looked like he should have caught to my eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, it was a crucial time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess a lot of the focus, Pete, do you think that that is going to be difficult for bond as he moves forward in terms of getting reps at critical times?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they like still like what they see from Isaiah Bond.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is able to get open.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got speed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has real ability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just frustrating in terms of consistency.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was something that he dealt with all summer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He certainly better than he was last year, but those are obviously plays you have to make.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was one of the things that proved to be the difference in the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a lot of elements with which I don't like how to shine while it's inhaled the quote on foot quick game because there were times where he just ate the ball when the ball had to come out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was one of the few times I ball over the middle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He read it exactly right put the ball where it had to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right on the money and they didn't, you know, I say, I bought it and come through a form.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's certainly enough criticism grow around basically everywhere, but that, you know, those those mistakes that everybody can see glaringly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Make it make it tough to sort of, you know, push those aside.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, people remember drops like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People have is still hate Cory moment for dropping a ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That will be probably be remembered if the Browns go on a losing streak at this point, but the thing that really ticked me off on that final drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just consider it inexcusable was laying the delay of game penalty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, that is just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a coaching, shit, staff shooting the browns in the foot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just pointing and gun at the foot and letting fly, totally inexcusable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any thoughts on that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I taking it too seriously?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just the moment where it became obvious to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The browns were not going to win the football game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the most inexcusable penalties in football, the lay of game, and there's no rhyme or reason for it because you should have your communication down, especially five weeks in those season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no excuse for a penalty like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, there was some kind of confusion and getting in the play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's comes back to the same thing that we've talked about for the first four weeks is that the self-inflicted wounds is what hampers this team the most and they've gotten away with them and they didn't get away with it on Sunday you know and going back and speaking about I see a bond since there's a little bit more to this you know there's inexcusable he had boundary room when he caught the
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[SPEAKER_00]: that he didn't turn that ball up instead of going out of bounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Weather factored in the Isaiah bond, not getting to a pass in the end zone for a touch down one is when he tried to plant and cut and his foot slipped, you know, you can't necessarily put that on him, but again it's another Isaiah bond situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as well as the drop pass in the middle of the field then as well as him not running out or out fully in the third quarter which he had cleared the safety and he could speed probably still be running.
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[SPEAKER_00]: if you would have done what he was supposed to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, it's a very difficult thing within consistency when it comes to bond.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing is that it shows you that that aspect of the game plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: was intended for KC conception to play that role in the injury, taking him out of the game, didn't rattle them completely, but it had an impact on the overall state of the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, Pete, the whole process of getting a play called, you know, where you've got the coach, choosing offensive mind, you've got Travis Switzer involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole mechanics of getting a
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[SPEAKER_01]: play called into the quarterback doesn't seem this complex, you know, what are the causes of something like that, you know, teams just not being able to get a play called into the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, just from the Browns point of view, they have talked about this emphasis on the four twos that at every stage of the play call operation, they're trying to save two seconds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So play call, getting it in from the sideline to the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: quarterback getting it in the huddle and out of the huddle getting up to the line adjusting and snapping the ball right now it seems like in decision on the sideline is really hurting them in terms of some of those late game situations where they just are not coming to to decision quickly enough on what they want to run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or whatever, and that is slowing down the whole process.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of people want to blame Michelle Watson, maybe he bliped, deserve some amount of it, but there were a number of facts where he and it's, you know, other quarterbacks you'll see in the situation where they are trying to do what they can do and they've just been set in with not enough time to do everything necessary to put them in the best positions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, succeed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what you end up with occasionally is no pre-snap movement at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or doing the, you know, checks and everything you'd like to be able to do, maybe moving into another play, they might be giving you a better look because you just try to get the play off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in one situation, the Browns got the snap off and then basically just threw in a complete pass immediately because the play, you know, because something was off at the play and it's just a wasted down at that point and, you know, that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, starts with coaching staff and has to be cleaner from there, but yeah, that's a huge element and in the late game part of that, where just the play was not getting in quickly enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I evidently to me is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the weather didn't play a factor, you know, and getting them play in late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just operations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stuff that should have been ironed out long before then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Late, I want to go to you on the situation with Titus Howard, who was deemed up during the play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know what do you think the brown should be doing that uh uh uh uh right tackle now the lot Jones is at the answer same thing we talked about a few months ago that he wasn't the answer then and he wasn't going to magically become terrific and be the answer today he is lateral movement is minimal and he he showed that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very often in that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was he was beaten beaten beaten like a rug and It's a situation where you have to seriously consider what you're gonna do along the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna kick Barbara out and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Put Jenkins at right garden put whiplier center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's at some point the tough decision It's gonna have to be made because if you anticipate that the wild Jones is gonna be your starting right tackle And you're not gonna see more of what you saw on Sunday in New Jersey You're only fooling yourselves and and they know as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's gonna be nice to see how this plays out and to see what's going on with Howard's knee He's gonna get
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[SPEAKER_00]: And MRI here, he's either Taylor tomorrow and hope for the best because regardless of how this season has started over there, he's been the best option at right tackle when it comes down to him and Jones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just not as I need that if he just worked out for the Cleveland Browns, I need an explanation from you, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in Ask the Insiders today, you said the past protection was actually pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eighth sac seems to defy that, explain how these two things can exist in the same football universe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the offensive line piece was reasonably good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Austin Barber got beat a couple times, but ultimately, from left tackle to right guard,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They did enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The issue is that obviously when they went to Duan Jones, who is exactly what I said he was in the summer, and then the other issue was they were too long it's going on one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When the Browns went quick game, the wall wasn't coming out and Deshaam Watson ate some free rushers that he's responsible for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when the Browns tried to keep extra guys in,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Blake White Hart was fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not great but he was fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Reheave Sanders is good as past protector in the ring as running back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Herald Fanon is awful as a blocker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He struggled, when John Jenkins was awful as a blocker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jolinho McLaughlin was awful as a blocker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Malica Corley has no business being in there as a blocker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the jets basically just kept sending numbers enough that they just overwhelmed the browns with with the amount of guys they sent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is ultimately we caused the problems.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is we ran into a situation where to show them lots and got to a point where he's basically waiting for the the the the cash rush to sort of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go see how if he could survive it, then pick his eyes up and try to operate on the field, as opposed to trying to operate on time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the few times he did and got the ball quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was inconsistent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously we had the drop by, uh, by bond that was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: painful, but there were other situations where the ball was like situation where health fan and ran a quick out would have been open if the ball was out on time to Sean Watson ate the ball took the sack and that is a product of the Sean Watson is never been particularly good in the quick game and some of that is a product of the way the
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the Browns can only run their offense one way because he will not allow them to run it in another way, which is why the Browns are endlessly in shotgun and the entire NFL is basically evolving in the another direction and the Browns are sort of stuck sitting in this spot because the quarterback will not allow them to do anything else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, laying a couple of things for you, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One particular pletty stands out in my mind that led to one of those eight sacks and David Bailey was responsible for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was completely unlocked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was the theory there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was supposed to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you have a guy of that caliber, you can bet you're asked somebody blew the assignment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that guy is not just going to be running free and running wild in which he did and it's all a numbers that strengthen numbers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean the jets were bringing more than the Browns could block and any other issue is is that the Browns create this problem for themselves because
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[SPEAKER_00]: what they what they do to the field to themselves you know you start out with the field and it's this wide by the time they come back and whatever movement they have pre-snap the field is this big so they're condescending the field so that's less the vision field that
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[SPEAKER_00]: linebackers and db's and everything has to see or has to worry about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have to worry about the outside of the boundaries because the bronze are going to do this and his piece said about shotgun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're always in shotgun because that's what makes Watson comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only problem is is that they do the employee the same philosophy there in the run game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they bring guys in the block and it's usually smaller guys and you're expecting receivers
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[SPEAKER_00]: to come in and play that blocking role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Browns overall are abysmal blockers that receiver, they try, but they're not very good yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And your tight ends generally don't block well in this offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other time you have really to have a chance if you're going jumbo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a big element of why the run doesn't even work, because that's the position they get put into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're offensive line, you're five weeks in and you should be developing that timing and that jelling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you got two guys that can't mesh and meet and create that those angles or those openings, you're dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And every defense that bronzer playing now was playing downhill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're playing downhill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're playing hardener playing fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Browns just
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the other issue you wanted to is when you run condensed formations like that, it makes it very easy for the defense of blitz from different angles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you shorten the distance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I like condensed formations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand why the Browns run them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly valuable, especially if you want to try to get out to the outside of the field with guys like Denzel Boston who can do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it does then give the defense free rein on how to attack and can be very difficult to pick up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of the run game,
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[SPEAKER_02]: one of the issues that they have is the fact that they live in shock on the way they do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think some of the timing doesn't work because of them being in shock and so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now ultimately they still got a block, they still got to do the job, but you know, I would be more inclined to run
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[SPEAKER_02]: spread out and try to make the defense honest, which is really admittedly incredibly difficult in the downport like that, just naturally cause a problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that is ultimately what they did to have success against Pittsburgh Steelers is they made them respect them down the field, opened up some running lanes from that standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is sort of the unanswered question which is whole thing is what would this look like if they were under center running a ball more
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[SPEAKER_02]: You might lose some of the discharging or the keepable and run it, but you might also benefit from being able to have better timing with your line, have the defense a little bit more confused as to what they're running on a given situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, just to follow up, Pete, if they would barely go back to the David Bailey play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If he was left unblocked on purpose, if that is in fact the case, shouldn't the office be moving very rapidly to the left left when that plays executed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't seem to me like they were doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like the Sean Watson was dropping state straight back and barely just came in and got him under just a couple of seconds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It depends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If the chances are, if he's designate to be a free Russia, then the ball's supposed to come out very fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's supposed to be there out of his hand before David Bailey has a chance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The jets have the ability to design hash rush so that somebody else forces the tackle to take them or something along those lines, which enables David Bailey to be freed up, or they can just widen them out to a point where it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they literally have them as a free russia which is not unreasonable then the blow has to be out and it's not out and it's a free russia that is ultimately the quarterback responsibility right okay thanks for the explanation laying uh... moving to the running backs we got three guys who think that i don't know if you've heard anything yet
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[SPEAKER_01]: about the status of these injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have heard a little bit about SAMHSA and maybe you can in to open this practice window.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Browns today picked up a running back, I've request to me, who averages more than 40 hours of care and you're more of a power runner, bounce around the Lee, bounce around practice formats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that, in your mind, is that indicate,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that things don't look that great for him Sanders because it seems like an almost direct replacement for rocket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, depends on you want to look at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How healthy Quinshawn Jenkins is because he was limping around following and during it in towards the end of that game and following the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there's a question about his health that we're digging into and trying to find out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as Sanders was concerned,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sanders can be effective in the backfield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has as many impact carries as starter does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not sure if that's what that's for I think this is a protection for them because I think there's a little bit going on in that running back room physically That is going to potentially Pause the problem for them heading in the disc game this week It's too early to know we'll find out something more a day or so, but right now That signing off that practice squad was for need
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I certainly hope it's not for Reeves Andrews because he's easily their best best protecting back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that Estime has shown much there.
22:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though I really like just to make coming out of and go to Dane, who's apparently been a knucklehead off the field because he's really talented.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious if he can get it going because he was phenomenal for the Irish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that signing caught my attention as it came over the wire today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just because of he was so effective in college, I was sort of wondering what it happened to him in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see here, just to revisit the point peak, if they're gonna play any of the formations that they're playing in against a team blitzing half the time,
23:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You said that the answer was to make quick throws, was the lack of quick throws, more problem of the play calling, a more problem of the quarterback, not moving quickly enough, throwing quickly enough.
23:24
[SPEAKER_02]: It's difficult to pin it on one particular fender in this one because they did a good job of it against the previous week against the Steelers like they got the ball out of Watson Sands pretty consistently.
23:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he held on to the ball at times to extend some plays, but for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was good about delegating, getting the ball out, finding the right play, which is why he was so successful for, especially in the second quarter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in general, Watson's not been a guy that typically likes to get the ball out quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously the weather's a factor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's possible that they were having issues with footing and some other things that caused delays in terms of when guys were open and when they weren't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously we saw one situation
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[SPEAKER_02]: Watson, Miss Handle, the ball, which might have yielded a shot play down the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, I think it's a combination of factors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm inclined to put a lot of it on Watson, given what I'm looking at in terms of just how he generally reacts to the quick game, unless it's his first read, he's typically not
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[SPEAKER_02]: overly quick, but that's one of the many limitations I think you are going to have with the Sean Watson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: John Watson's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: playing slightly better relative to his Cleveland career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Still not very good, and I don't expect him to get much better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the improvement is mostly going to come from people around him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I could be proven wrong on that, but like the notion of, well, the Sean Watson's going to be answered for,
25:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Another year, I don't see it.
25:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Todd Mook is interested in signing up for another year, given the handcuffs he's putting on the offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we're going to continue to play this thing out.
25:18
[SPEAKER_02]: The variable that I don't know the answer to is because at this point, I still look at this and say the Shidorah Sanders element is entirely a question of where Shidorah Sanders is in his development, not based on how Watson's playing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: when if whatever shooters ready to go, okay, great, but like there's no inclination that he is.
25:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's sort of the frustrating element to this thing is, you know, everybody wanted you to order when that job he couldn't.
25:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we're sitting here heading into week six.
25:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Granted, albeit in three and two, and probably ahead of where they thought they might be in terms of the win last record, but in terms of where the offense is, they're probably behind where they'd like to be.
26:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, uh, laying, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Browns had to throw the ball quick to deal with this blitzing, but they were trying to do so without case you can substitute in the lineup, fill is not a bot, says I don't think everyone is really absorbing how much the early conception and Howard injuries affected the Browns offensive scheme and and bolden the just to literally blitz on every passing down I think there's a heck of a lot to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the sort of constant effect was conception goes out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the gest figure that they could turn up the blitz because Boston is going down the field further.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Isaiah bonds a downfield receiver and concept shiel is a guy who can catch the ball, short yards and then make a lot out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would seem to me that Phil is not a plot, has a point about that sort of then boldly mean the New York gests to start blitzing a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the Dutch defense found out early that once they started generating pressure, they could get in and muddy the pocket, so they continued to do so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And losing the right tackle and replacing them with Jones only helps simplify that process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... when you talk about kc concepts you only he's such a potential dynamic at any time in any play and taking that it's like a comfort zone that was been growing between he and Watson i'm taking those the short passes are the cross and and being able to turn it up to make positive yards out of it one thing you didn't see in this game was
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[SPEAKER_00]: how well did Watson do determining and finding a hot read?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that all of this plays into the factor of what it is, and losing those two players was that we're key elements of the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily know if it changes the game or changes the end result, but it certainly didn't help the situation for the Browns, and I think going forward, they have to resolve
28:39
[SPEAKER_00]: these issues in protection or mis-assignments and getting a running game established through some point and your quarterback for his average as he has been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you need more because what's happening is that you have a playbook that's six inches thick and but you end up squeezing it because everything that you do you have to do out of shotgun
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't get under center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't slow the roll of a lineman or a linebacker or anything like that because they just pin your ears back in a common because they see what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I agree that losing the right tackle and the wide receiver had an impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How great it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pete, your thoughts on that losing conception and how it affected the the jets approach in the Browns approach on offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, look, I think, conception is certainly a player that the jets had to account for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Clearly, we're worried about, but I think the weather.
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[SPEAKER_02]: was, and, and the book on Watson is why they were sending so much pressure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think if this was a clear day, this would have been a different strategy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Jets looked at the situation said to Sean Watson, generally doesn't do well under pressure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's an awful miserable game to plan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to try to heat them up as much as possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Getting concepts you own going out of the game, I just think made it easier for them to just continue to lean into that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that was the, that was the plan anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the question, this is the topic that I was a little nervous about getting into, but in my morning newswire, I had some unpleasant words to say about makeup,
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[SPEAKER_01]: intent was either back in Pittsburgh, back in the day, or with Casey, you can set your own last week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Certain of us have certain opinions about him, but Todd Munkin, essentially says it was a bang bang play, he's not a dirty player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Juan Jones chose to confront Fitzpatrick after the hit, with his own words to
32:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Rather than arguing about whether this was a dirty hit by intention or not, I'd like to talk about targeting a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In college, it's a very frustrating rule to watch sometimes as they figure out whether somebody's been targeted with the helmet, the helmet contact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think it's necessary these days because we know so much about and our Lord continuing to learn about the effect that these head-to-head hits have on the later health of the players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does any thoughts about whether you feel that the NFL should go in the same direction as college has or if what we have in places enough?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Should maybe it's not going to, in part of the reason, or at least for the time being, they're not going to, it's because as much as they will say, make it fits Patrick's hit, this is wrong, we can't do this, this is not the way we want to play the game, that hit will be used in promo, that you will be used to sell the same game that they say they don't want, played that way, that's always how this goes,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, say how a legal some of these hits are and then they absolutely put them in some going to be role trying to sell the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't seem like an NFL isn't a big hurry to do anything about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he will get some hefty fine, especially because he also had the face mask that was pretty egregious before, but the NFL will largely say, listen, you got 30 yards of penalty arges or whatever it ended up being out in a phone once half the distance of gold or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's how it was adjudicated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't expect much to change at least for the time being.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you expect this factor to be fine at all?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I expect you will get fine because the NFL loves to find players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it doesn't really do anything as far as like consequences in terms of
34:44
[SPEAKER_02]: However, they see fit, I mean, we're seeing, you know, chugging motions being fined, you know, and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that seems to be an easy way for the NFL to punish after the fact, um, basically shift their finger players and take money away, which doesn't matter, but not really impact the actual game play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I suspect given Fitzpatrick salary that the usual five-figure fine will not don't him in the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lane, what's your take on targeting rule and whether the NFL should head in the same direction college as it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the intent of the rule is an excellent one if it's enforced correctly and doesn't change outcomes
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will use the defensive receiver theory and use that as their means to deal with head-to-head contact or some other type of penalty thrown due to the contact, I don't see the NFL ever changing that unless there's various lawsuits that prove.
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[SPEAKER_00]: without a reasonable doubt that the head-to-head contact for a professional football player over the years creates the head traumas and CTE and things that they claim which I fully believe is to be true so I don't see the NFL doing anything like that until there is absolutely nothing else that they can do to get around it yeah yeah all right
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I take your guys thoughts, and I still believe that the NFL should have had this direction, but they probably won't based on your thoughts, and I think that's a shame, and I think it's a shame.
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's take a look at the defense overall at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: probably deserves it when.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The jets finished with 276 yards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The brown specs sacksmith four times hit him nine times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The jets only got a field goal for three quarters until the box punt after that initial touch down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Concerned though is the run defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Braylon Allen looked very strong early on the just seemed to go away for him from him for some reason, but they came back to him in time for him to score a 22 yard touchdown to win the game for the just Millie Colbert, Eden Huntington, did a standout job, Sam Kamara got a sack.
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... very strong in in past defense it seems uh... less so in run defense your thoughts feet well i mean they're missing three key bodies that would be in the community uh... yeah for sure may jingran michael junior and then we're still waiting on clear davis to exist as far as this team concerned on the on the regular season field
38:05
[SPEAKER_02]: look, if I was the judge, I would have done the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I said they do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still, I'm a week and a half after this and I still can't believe the Steelers didn't do it.
38:14
[SPEAKER_02]: We just found that over and over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Bronze of Race saw it on the edges and run defense for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Verse is very good on run defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: McGuire has been pretty solid on run defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: just keep, you're going to keep running it inside, especially because if, if you get Malik Collins and Aden Huntington off the field, and neither one is exactly big as a run defender.
38:38
[SPEAKER_02]: You get to practice squad, call up Chris Williams, and the other dude that they got, like, that's just a numbers game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I mean, Braille and Allen's also a very large man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's about 240.
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[SPEAKER_02]: took advantage of the match up they had.
38:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So if if I was, you know, if I was the judge I was done the same thing, if I'm the Browns, I'm not overly concerned, other than my bigger concern isn't the, the Jets had success running of law.
39:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that the Browns,
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[SPEAKER_02]: have to get better.
39:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It's stopping explosive plays.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the bigger issue, that the lingering issue on defense.
39:17
[SPEAKER_02]: They play their asses off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They play with a ton of art.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The resolve is unquestionable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They give you all the effort they have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are times where they're just outmatched.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's sort of what happened with Berlin Allen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if the Browns are in the similar situation against the Ravens, it's going to be Derek Henry in the middle of that thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what happens when you get multiple injuries at the same position, you're just sort of stuck.
39:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you touch on the situation in the D-line lane?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mason Graham, obviously, probably for a little while still.
39:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You see them bringing in somebody else, or continuing to go with practice-wide elevations,
40:03
[SPEAKER_00]: any head of a larger plan at defensive tackle to deal with these injuries late are you just looking at a situation that played out against the jets that we sat here last Monday night and said it was going to happen they did exactly what we said they were going to do it was obvious what what needed to be done and they didn't did it well
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[SPEAKER_00]: bars, the browns and the defensive tackle position.
40:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You get two elevations and you get a man here in your play.
40:33
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they should be actually pretty thankful that it wasn't worse than what it was when you get right down to it.
40:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that people are missing the point that the defensive esteem is very well coached.
40:47
[SPEAKER_00]: They play for each other, that's a selfless unit, and they just come to play going forward.
40:57
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance that you see Michael Hall this Sunday, there's absolutely nothing it tells me you're going to see Mason Graham.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to continue on that path unless something is sitting out there that is
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[SPEAKER_00]: The experience factor or the quality of the factor that's sitting out there available is rather limited, especially when you come in and want to be inserted immediately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to be too far off with the couple guys that they have heard, so I expect them to just keep pushing that as far as they can push it, but it's not going to be long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for everything considering that unit played well and if they can continue to get more from them then it's going to be a win for them.
41:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the point is it's getting back to a
42:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Kamara got a guy's first career sack honey didn't recover to fumble All part of a defense that is not given up at 300 year passing game For 50 straight games heavy now said that you know of course that Ravens will explode in the air, but You know it
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Peter, the Browns is good at scouting defensive tackles, or is this something to do with Rubenberg's defensive scheme in your mind?
42:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, the Brett, I always told that Andrew Barry has no idea what he's doing when it comes to drafting defensive tackles, or why you're seeing her, or all of you.
42:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I mean, some of it is the Brown to have talent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They obviously might call junior and Mason Graham are very talented.
42:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Lake Collins is just a damn good football player.
42:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It has been four years, one of the more underrated players in the league, and is a very, very good scheme fit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Lake Collins signed with the Browns because
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[SPEAKER_02]: of Jim Schwartz and they carried over the same scheme.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Malik Collins is very happy to play in the scheme.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is very good for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sam Kamara is the definition of a journeyman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's been at this forever and been on the practice squad for the Browns for I think 35 years at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chris Williams has been up and down on the practice squad in a number of times with the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a familiarity with them and they're good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are at least good at being able to identify guys
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[SPEAKER_02]: that we'll do what they need them to do, play within the scheme well, and Aiden Huntington for
43:37
[SPEAKER_02]: For, you know, athletically is an excellent fit for the scheme, but he's starting to figure some stuff out, which is really good, because he's no direct free agent, he's stubby, but his explosion is incredible, he can play with really low pads and cost problems that way, little bit inconsistent, still more of a deaf player, but exactly the type of guy that you, you want to get out of college and see if they can figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to hit on all those guys, but if you get it on one or two, you're in for a great situation, you know, and then we, we face the guy that the brown scouted previously and get you know traded and you want bricks, which pretty damn good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they seem to have figured out the right recipe for getting defensive tackles that can play in the scheme.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they certainly have just pretty impressive performance from these guys, some of whom were just elevated on Saturday.
44:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk a little bit about Denzel Ward Lane.
44:33
[SPEAKER_01]: We had Buckeye on Buckeye violence with Ward in Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wilson got the better of it, which I was a little bit surprised by I thought Ward was having a fantastic year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably the toughest game for Ward so far
44:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's interesting that we know about this was his toughest game because outside of the first quarter where that wasn't all man, there wasn't much happening when it came to.
45:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go to that hill with Denzel Ward, he's an outstanding corner and he's one of the best in the league of playing man.
45:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And anybody who thinks that you just go and shut out receivers at this level every week is out of their mind.
45:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, this league is too talented.
45:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Denzel Warden's own is never been very good, and he's never going to be very good.
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He put Denzel Warden man, and he's going to lock you up pretty much.
45:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing we talk about is that he had terrible game, or didn't play well.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, did anybody notice the weather conditions that you were playing in unarguably the worst
46:08
[SPEAKER_00]: huge difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't take much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked to people who actually played there on that old and who said it was bad then and your feet can come out from under you that quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't start beating the drum on Denzel Ward right now because outside of a first series where the bronze mixed in man and zone.
46:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Denzel Ward was fine and you would you would take that performance every week.
46:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, now the other Ohio State guy who helped in the torching, now that's the guy that's been ultimately be replaced and his name is Hickman right right he didn't come away with a humble though didn't you know so at least he got that out again, but yeah you would think he mw is going to be playing a lot more
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[SPEAKER_01]: his ability to shut down Wilson during the middle part of the game, but the struggle early on with which Wayne is saying is partially due to scheme.
47:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it's probably, they played this on a man.
47:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that wasn't really, they did some zone stuff, but they largely played that.
47:31
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, the zone they did was one of the reps really helped him out, which is having
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then word plays on behind him to pick a wasn't look.
47:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was probably the worst game for Denzel words since 2024 against the Denver Broncos That's how good he's been that it's you have to go that far back to find a bad game He got beat Garrett Wilson's a fantastic wide receiver his footing was excellent and you saw why he so good the other part that stood out with Ward is
48:04
[SPEAKER_02]: There were like three times where he tried to tackle somebody and he's bounced off and that's right The frustration with Ward is he's just not much of them.
48:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is why I love guys like Tyson Campbell Because Tyson Campbell will fill a gap as a run run to Futter and Denzel Ward just never been that guy's not gonna be that guy Which is fine so long as he does his job, but this is why you know
48:24
[SPEAKER_02]: The same people are like, well, we have to shoot my house hard out of a cannon or whatever, blank DB sucks, it's tough.
48:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, all you see is their worst moments, and then you want to get rid of guys or whatever, not saying anybody wants to get rid of Denzel Ward, but it happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And ultimately, even without that, Denzel Ward giving up some plays that you normally wouldn't give up or get, well, it's not just beating him, because he's a good player.
48:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, for all that, the Browns gave up 17 points, uh, uh, you know, we'll take that every day.
48:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yes, this is life as a, as a, as a corner in the NFL trying to beat the best guys where every week you're going to find somebody else who's a stud and the Browns next week gets a flower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, buckle up because he's going to line up all over the formation and they've got to figure out how to deal with
49:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Pete follow up on Lane's comment about Ronnie Heckman, obviously McNeil Warren seen more action every week.
49:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that kind of significantly affect Heckman's snaps moving forward?
49:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I doubt it yet because I think they found a very, very good role for McNeil Warren.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's
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[SPEAKER_02]: top-down safety that can come down hill and make plays on the ball.
49:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Running Hickman has the ability to play up in the box and do some other things which is really useful.
49:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not as down on running Hickman as Lane might be.
49:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I would just say that like where I agree with Lane is when it comes to extending real dollars to him, I'm probably not going to do that.
49:56
[SPEAKER_02]: He's fun as
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[SPEAKER_02]: third safety and guy who's making whatever he's making was you're like three million dollars whatever it is.
50:04
[SPEAKER_02]: So be it.
50:05
[SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to free agency am I going to make him a huge priority?
50:08
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm going to probably try to find another safety but like for now and probably for the foreseeable future, I love what they've got manual-making warned doing because I think that's the role you born to play.
50:18
[SPEAKER_02]: But obviously I'd like to see him expand on it.
50:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to see him be able to do more in terms of what they do on defense with guys like him and help it and some of these other things.
50:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Ronnie Akman allows McNeil Warren to continue growing and developing it his own pace rather than necessarily being thrown into something And then potentially being put into a position not necessarily to fail, but in a position to get exposed for maybe what he doesn't do well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ronnie Akman is useful.
50:44
[SPEAKER_02]: The guy I'm curious the thing I'm curious to watch is
50:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Do the Browns get to a point where they feel really good about a guy like Donovan being milling and sort of look at him as maybe the guy you can replace Ronnie or do they feel like they've got to go outside the current roster draft somebody signed somebody and continue to bolster it that way.
51:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
51:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
51:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've managed to put this off until 10 minutes left in the show.
51:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess we've got to talk about the quarterback a little bit.
51:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Watson 15 of 33 for 155 years in TD.
51:21
[SPEAKER_01]: His legs were pretty good part of the offense six runs for 40 yards 40 yards.
51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Pete, you said that Watson is a week-to-week proposition, perhaps, laying what are you hearing behind the scenes in terms of the team's commitment to Watson at this point?
51:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that softening a little bit after this game?
51:45
[SPEAKER_00]: No, one game isn't going to change that perspective.
51:49
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to need to loosen other couple of starts.
51:55
[SPEAKER_00]: those being poor starts for it to become a real issue or question again right right now there they're committed to them and what we'll see what he does with it because the ball is realistically in his court right hand
52:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's enough blame to go around for the promised yesterday from Watson to monkey and everything else.
52:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this is something that they're going to pull back and reset and you know, await the wrap birds and you know, see what happens here when that that sugar knot, what ought to start in quarterback makes the scene.
52:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, Todd Huntley made that break the Brown's 50 straight games with, you know, without giving up 300 yards.
52:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting to watch ball the more playing on much more on your center.
52:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you think about how much more dynamic.
53:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It can make them, especially if they had a couple of receiver.
53:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at receivers that side, they flowers.
53:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And play action always has been, and always will be such an important facet of football.
53:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't get that here.
53:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you watch Baltimore and Atlanta last night, you saw a snoop, hunkly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just pick apart that defense in the fourth quarter and over time.
53:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really interesting to see how a team can change from being what they were much sort of browns like in offense to what they've evolved into and getting under center and doing things with less talent at most cases.
53:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Pete, your view on Watson, how solid his position is, and just for fun, any thoughts about Dylan Gabriel, now a couple weeks into his rejuvenation as part of the roster?
54:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think Todd Mugger's been pretty clear.
54:13
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to use every minute of the 21 day window on Dylan Gabriel, because it makes all the sense in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll see where he goes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For now, Todd Mokin is okay with the Sean Watson.
54:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, the shooter Sandra's variable is an entirely about where Shidori is as a prospect.
54:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, what I think is gonna happen is Todd Mokin is going to get bored of the Sean Watson limiting in what he can do.
54:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Todd Mokin is a very ambitious coordinator.
54:42
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be able to do a whole lot of things.
54:43
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be able to do them right now and he can't.
54:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And that has to drive him nuts.
54:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, some of that is because he's got a young team, they've got to figure some stuff out.
54:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that part he can understand because he understands what he has in Denzel Blost and in case he conceptual and Spencer Fanno and Austin Barber and some of these other players.
55:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you've got a 30 year old quarterback and he's basically telling you, you cannot do.
55:06
[SPEAKER_02]: all these other things, the Todd Muckin desperately wants to be able to do to cause problems for the defense to get him into looks, to make sense for him to go and move the pocket, be able to run the ball in different ways, to play action passing game, and I think Todd Muckin is going to get to a point.
55:22
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that he's necessarily going to bench him for it, but I think he's going to get to a point where he's like, I'm done with this.
55:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, assuming he's here next year, and I'm going to is working on that assumption, he's going to be, I have to have a quarterback, you can do more things than this.
55:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to do all the things I want to do, and that's never going to be to Sean Watson.
55:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You agree with that, like that, Munkins got a tire of, uh, to Sean Watson's limitations, and we'll wind up seeing somebody else at some point.
55:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with that.
55:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, you know, something that we've considered all along here.
55:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just taken longer than many anticipated because the bronzer winning.
56:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as as losses mount pressure rises and the change becomes inevitable.
56:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And as at some point, it's going to happen because I don't see this wrong Watson.
56:16
[SPEAKER_00]: be in that guy, it's going to just lead them to 10-11 wins and everything's fine.
56:23
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like Pete said, he doesn't provide monk in the ability to enable the offense in the way that he wants to, and that's problematic from the get-go, but he's right now your best solution to the problem.
56:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you laying here in anything about Jerry Judy at this point?
56:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Shepter or a bunch of others have thrown his name out there as we have available, but last week heard the Browns weren't intent on training him.
56:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is something.
56:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Something wrote a week ago that there's interest, but the Browns aren't.
57:06
[SPEAKER_00]: really in the market as trading a wide receiver.
57:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And we gave examples one very clear example as to why is because Jerry Juiz experience and he can still play this game and bronze is starting two rookies a wide receiver and they can hit the wall or injuries.
57:27
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, you're in the de equation and you want a guy who can step up and step in and he's been very good in the room and as a right now Jerry Judy isn't close to going anywhere.
57:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean come beginning on November.
57:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It won't or can't happen.
57:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that today.
57:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not happening.
57:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing is that we've said last week.
57:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
57:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Now if there's a team that wants to trade a second round pick for Jerry Judy the way somebody stupidly traded a second round pick for Marvin Harrison.
57:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know a guy in Burya that would he wouldn't hang up the phone very quickly because he'd make sure he had it in writing before he got off the phone.
58:12
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
58:12
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
58:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, rapper's coming into town before we close up shop here.
58:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with you, Pete.
58:21
[SPEAKER_01]: One story like we should be watching for is the Browns
58:29
[SPEAKER_01]: or the wrappers head into town.
58:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, obviously the case of conception of things are going to be monitored.
58:39
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to see if they're going to have in this week or not.
58:42
[SPEAKER_02]: That's obviously a big factor, but if he's not, they're going to have to game plan around him and Jerry Gigi's can have to be a bigger factor and they're going to have to progress the offense in a way that he can compete.
58:56
[SPEAKER_02]: You had an awful football game and we see offense was absolutely terrible.
59:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Where are we going with this that's gonna make it better?
59:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the return of Lamar Jackson is certainly possible.
59:14
[SPEAKER_01]: The betting market seemed to think it's probable or at least a fragrance victory is probable laying.
59:23
[SPEAKER_01]: What year's this vision?
59:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So you think we'll see Lamar or is it just too early to tell?
59:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's too early to tell.
59:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I do believe that he is going to play unless that anchor just hasn't responded.
59:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Which of course is just worse news for the Browns because he's a bad dynamic.
59:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I also think that the Baltimore defense is not that good.
59:49
[SPEAKER_00]: They, they leave opportunities all over the field for you to beat him if you can execute.
59:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And the bronze are going to have to execute.
59:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And if the Sean Watson comes out and plays a hell of a game, the opportunities there, I just think that the bronze can't get out of their own ways sometimes.
1:00:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And I expect that we'll likely see a lot more of the same this Sunday.
1:00:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the Ravens do have the steric Henry fellow and we have had a hard time.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_01]: with power runners recently.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So that does not vote well.
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So defensive tackles that we talked about exceptionally during this show are going to need to step up once more for the Browns to have a chance.
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Just want to thank you guys for taking questions throughout the show for clearing some of that things up for me and hopefully people in the audience appreciate it as always.
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_01]: We will be back again here next week to talk about the bottom of a Ravens game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on Gang of Three and we will see you then everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for watching.