Latest / A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast / Talks to Steven Alexander about his choice of Death in Heaven (2/2)

Transcript

Talks to Steven Alexander about his choice of Death in Heaven (2/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

• 0:33
  I'm so drunk. Hello, and welcome to hamster
• 0:44
  with a blunt. Penknife planner.
• 0:47
  This is death in heaven part, 2 of Dark Water and I am Steven
• 0:54
  Alexander and I'm here with Joe Fort, and I cannot do an
• 0:58
  impersonation of Peter Capaldi. So I stopped halfway through.
• 1:01
  That was rather good, you know, I thought that was pretty good.
• 1:05
  It's just the way I say clutter. If you watch that, if you watch
• 1:11
  Doctor Who with Peter Capaldi, watch out for every time he
• 1:13
  says, hello, get really close to your mic.
• 1:20
  Every time. People's a I got a bit, you
• 1:23
  know, other people pay good money to hear you talk like
• 1:25
  that, you know, yeah, I'll set up my YouTube, was it?
• 1:29
  Hey, Smo obvious, like with a particular stood quietly.
• 1:33
  It's just you doing Peter Capaldi Impressions.
• 1:35
  Yeah, I'll have one subscriber. That's for sure.
• 1:39
  I have to be careful about Scottish accents.
• 1:42
  I remember I was on holiday with Simon in Scotland and we're
• 1:46
  doing as nice or driving holiday went all kinds of posts went to
• 1:49
  Aberdeen in finesse Edinburgh, you know, we had a really
• 1:53
  fantastic time, but we were in the car going.
• 1:57
  Okay? Hoots mon.
• 1:58
  Well, don't do that. But you get out of the car,
• 2:01
  whatever you do do not do that outside of the car.
• 2:05
  I did, you know, we were very careful.
• 2:09
  Did have to say, do it. So that before this year, the
• 2:13
  last commentary was Terror of the zygons, right?
• 2:16
  And I cannot believe that story starts with someone saying, oh,
• 2:21
  you know, we really could, you send over a few, we have gifts
• 2:24
  like a cliche in the book is to I'm sure you don't, you don't
• 2:31
  object or Regional doctor. Then I love original doctor.
• 2:35
  I am shocked that we have not like we have a whole Russell T
• 2:39
  Davies. Davis here, and there wasn't a
• 2:41
  Welsh doctor or proper. Companion was there.
• 2:45
  No, you're right. Yeah, that's that.
• 2:47
  That is a staggering efficient. Yes, unless you count Russell T,
• 2:51
  Davies as a doctor, which you could do.
• 2:53
  He's very well. I think we all are diver not
• 2:56
  going to go down this path, but I absolutely think, with the
• 3:00
  Advent of Joe Martin, especially we are ready for a person of
• 3:04
  color. Now, as the doctor like, let's
• 3:07
  do it. Jomo.
• 3:09
  Ted is electric and lights up the screen with her stunning
• 3:14
  Charisma. And I would have her as the
• 3:16
  doctor in the heartbeat. It feels like I iced it in one
• 3:20
  episode. It feels like a waste of such a
• 3:23
  great doctor. Yes, I would happily have them
• 3:27
  split it up and do two series a year.
• 3:29
  One with Joe Martin and one with Jodie Whittaker as two different
• 3:33
  doctors in two different series. As we look at all these ever
• 3:36
  bloody franchises like Star Wars where they're making.
• 3:39
  Drag shows and Marvel, you know, like what kind they did that
• 3:42
  with Doctor Who? No, it needs to be picked up by
• 3:44
  our Channel. Open it like a streaming service
• 3:47
  or something. Let's have the Danny pink and
• 3:50
  Clara spin-off. Yeah, where they exist in that
• 3:54
  in. Oh God.
• 3:56
  Where is it? They go in.
• 3:57
  Oh, no. I'm thinking of Last Christmas
• 3:59
  and it's not even real. It's not real.
• 4:00
  Danny is it? It's Cody comes back doesn't
• 4:04
  have forgotten that. Yeah, but you can tell it's not
• 4:05
  real Danny because he's really likable in that, you know, so
• 4:08
  sorry. So, we could into deaf in
• 4:13
  heaven, are we? Yeah, I think this episode
• 4:18
  divides opinion. I don't.
• 4:20
  Just mean, ask you say it, divides opinion.
• 4:25
  Have you met anyone who likes it?
• 4:27
  I think this episode is not very like so, and do you think this
• 4:34
  is an issue though? Do you think we have a lot of
• 4:37
  these end of Seasons? You the penultimate episode is a
• 4:41
  lot of promise and the phenomenon is a lot of
• 4:44
  disappointment. No, I have been phenomenally
• 4:50
  exciting like all the odds d1's as probably excited by part 2.
• 4:54
  Most of the Matt Smith ones are pretty Good.
• 4:57
  In both parts of the country dropped on my head and I really
• 5:02
  like the last journey to barter we had.
• 5:05
  But I'm not even going to go there.
• 5:06
  So, well, you like essential assignment and the Timeless
• 5:10
  children. Yes.
• 5:12
  There's a poll on Twitter at the moment.
• 5:15
  I think it's Harold of creation. It does this regular pole and
• 5:18
  essentially seidman times children is always on there and
• 5:21
  it's losing to like ones, like the rescue and the edge of
• 5:24
  Destruction. And you think Should he should
• 5:28
  score higher because it's in some way competent.
• 5:32
  You know, just like in terms of like I just had a bit money
• 5:35
  spent on it, you know, it's like those little facts that you just
• 5:38
  said that we may need to talk to you about Ascension assignment
• 5:41
  and Thomas children, you know, I feel like someone needs to do a
• 5:44
  commentary for that, that likes it.
• 5:46
  I feel that's a story that needs someone to Champion it, but on
• 5:52
  the other hand, I don't love death in heaven.
• 5:55
  Well, let's find out why you don't love death in heaven.
• 5:58
  Oh, oh, I got look forward foot too.
• 6:01
  My favorite character in talk to who you're being sarcastic,
• 6:05
  aren't you? Yes, Julie's, do the countdown,
• 6:11
  please Clara. I'm going to count us down in 5.
• 6:20
  4, 3, 2, 1, go. It's really good at that sounds
• 6:26
  really would give me the sack eyebrows.
• 6:32
  Exotic be dying. Stop attacking me with your
• 6:34
  eyebrows section. Don't forget like man.
• 6:37
  We're getting a little pre titles.
• 6:39
  Like this is what happened last time and this is how cheerful
• 6:42
  Doctor Who was last week, rainbows and sunshine and fluffy
• 6:46
  clouds. Look pretty titles.
• 6:49
  Recaps are all very well. But you cannot beat a bunch of
• 6:53
  still photographs with a BBC announcer.
• 6:55
  Telling you what happened last week like you used to have an
• 6:58
  old Doctor Who that is the best thing ever.
• 7:01
  It's true. I agree.
• 7:03
  Mind you. I'll fate anything in classic.
• 7:05
  Who's Jimmy bail? So, you know, like, yeah, okay.
• 7:09
  We are having that scene in a minute, where she pretends to be
• 7:12
  the doctor have issues. I have issues.
• 7:16
  Okay. This is like, this is like
• 7:18
  you're on a roller coaster and all the bits of track and field
• 7:21
  enough, and it's just a constant car crash of stupid ideas.
• 7:25
  That should never have been allowed.
• 7:27
  I mean, the idea that she's pretending to be Doctor is, is I
• 7:35
  mean so terrible, but she's just so smog him.
• 7:41
  She wouldn't be a good doctor. She would not be a good dog.
• 7:44
  So she'd be like, she'd be a Moffat doctor.
• 7:46
  She'd be so upper own ass. Well, she's basically like River
• 7:51
  song, war or Missy but not what? But without that kind of charm,
• 7:56
  those two characters have. Anyway, what do you think of
• 8:00
  General as an actress? I think Jenna Coleman is a
• 8:03
  stunning actress and I have seen her do work away from Doctor Who
• 8:07
  that has impressed me a lot. I feel exactly the same about
• 8:10
  Matt Smith. I think Matt Smith in the crown
• 8:13
  is is fantastic and Jenna Coleman in Victoria.
• 8:16
  Yeah. Yeah, brilliant.
• 8:19
  It's a writing it's the writing they get here.
• 8:21
  It's saps, their performances. Nobody sells naturalistic with
• 8:25
  this smug, knowing Steven Moffat dial, or coming out of their
• 8:29
  mouths. Yeah, and you mentioned Fear in
• 8:32
  the previous episode and I lay Buffy for all of this shit
• 8:37
  because Buffy like that guy who shall not be named because he's
• 8:42
  awful used to write dialogue for makes it like I used to get sfx
• 8:46
  magazine regular, they raved about the dialogue because it
• 8:49
  was also like SAS pop culture references and all this kind of
• 8:52
  stuff and it's spilt out into every other TV series.
• 8:57
  And by this point, it's just absolutely interminable and
• 9:01
  We're all sick of it because you have to be clever to write that
• 9:05
  kind of stuff. You can't always get it, right?
• 9:08
  And yeah, that's just awful. But like do you think that was
• 9:11
  it? I don't think that was an issue,
• 9:12
  Rusty Davis. And I think he did Drop Pop
• 9:14
  Culture references, but what you can do it, where he knew what
• 9:17
  the right kind of Pop Culture references, drop.
• 9:20
  I think I guess but I've gone, absolutely love it.
• 9:26
  So nowhere near Saint, Paul's Cathedral.
• 9:28
  It's like if you look over here, Told it was he drunk - thanks
• 9:35
  Steve. I wouldn't have known that until
• 9:36
  you pointed out. If you've ever been to supposed
• 9:40
  to assure, you will know that. It looks nothing like oh here
• 9:42
  she comes. Here.
• 9:44
  She comes. Oh my word.
• 9:47
  So I've been asked to ask you about Kate Stewart.
• 9:51
  Kate lethbridge-stewart the single flattest performance in
• 9:56
  the whole of Doctor Who she is an absolute Charisma black hole.
• 10:01
  All praise the energy out of every scene.
• 10:05
  She is. I like Jemma.
• 10:07
  Redgrave is probably really good in lots of other TV shows.
• 10:11
  She's in. But someone like my, I may be in
• 10:14
  a first episode. She was like playing it to
• 10:16
  Hunter was a take it down a bit. Okay, take it down a bit, take
• 10:19
  it down a bit. I should just get going and she
• 10:23
  like, she just goes further and further and further.
• 10:25
  Absolutely. What disaster, you know, I hate
• 10:27
  right. She either every time she
• 10:30
  appears she announces her. You guys, I'm who that is.
• 10:33
  So she like, I've never known anyone who every time they are
• 10:36
  on the scene. They're like, I'm Kate Stewart
• 10:38
  and I'm in charge of unit. But either that or she just
• 10:42
  talks in pure. Exposition.
• 10:43
  I don't think there's any point where we learn anything about
• 10:46
  her asshole as a person. No.
• 10:49
  No, what do we know about, Kate, Bush, with Toby.
• 10:51
  Tell me one thing about you. Woah, she's the brigadier's
• 10:54
  daughter because she tells me that all the time.
• 10:56
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 10:57
  She's in charge of unit because she tells me that all the time.
• 11:02
  But beyond her work, I have no idea.
• 11:04
  Yeah. Well I and don't forget.
• 11:06
  She says about. Oh, I'm in charge of units.
• 11:09
  Oh dear. It's got that real kind of like,
• 11:14
  it's like that. It's like a monitor, isn't it?
• 11:16
  She could be a Cyberman. Yes, especially when she's on
• 11:24
  screen with Michelle Gomez, who is full of character, full of
• 11:28
  Charisma, exactly one of those electric.
• 11:31
  Two lights up the screen and how do they do that?
• 11:37
  Anyway, we've got as good as well.
• 11:40
  Who's this time dress? Sorry.
• 11:43
  I my energy is being sucked up by Kate lethbridge-stewart.
• 11:45
  I don't know what I'd rather like Osgood because I do like
• 11:51
  the performance of. I felt sure what that woman's
• 11:54
  name is. Do you have the list there in
• 11:55
  front of you? Oh, okay helpful.
• 11:59
  I think she gives a nice performance.
• 12:00
  But like the whole kind of like fan and girl thing.
• 12:04
  It's very well either. I have a theory about theory.
• 12:10
  Is that what Steven Moffat despises Doctor Who fans?
• 12:14
  Oh, go on, did tests them, and you see this in Osgood and you
• 12:20
  see this in a couple of other things, such as Chris Addison's,
• 12:23
  later squee moment in the, he thinks that they're in some way,
• 12:30
  like, like having a TV shows your main thing and doing
• 12:35
  podcasts about it makes you in some way.
• 12:37
  A less of a person, right? And I think that comes across
• 12:42
  quite heavily. And there are, I mean, there are
• 12:46
  people who who don't have such strong personalities, and, you
• 12:52
  know, and have a strong emotional connection to the TV
• 12:55
  show, but they those people should be celebrated and not
• 13:00
  mocked in the way that they are. Mocked through all the good and,
• 13:04
  like, going back to Rusty Davis again.
• 13:07
  He absolutely celebrated Doctor Who fans in love monsters that a
• 13:11
  they are Doctor Who fans in that?
• 13:13
  Yes, and there were small community that comes together.
• 13:16
  That, that just happen to love the doctor, you know.
• 13:20
  Yeah, I'll be like the difference in of monsters is
• 13:22
  like in Doctor Who fans usual thing.
• 13:24
  Is you meet up and you'll go out and get pissed together and they
• 13:28
  did lots of nice things like playing guitar and doing cooking
• 13:30
  clubs, but it normally. Yeah.
• 13:32
  My experience was Doctor Who fans get together.
• 13:35
  They will shag each other. But yeah.
• 13:38
  I suppose this is the strip, the floods.
• 14:07
  Which I still think is one of the best Doc's Who comic strips?
• 14:11
  It's I think like eight or nine. Is it telepaths?
• 14:13
  It's long. Yeah, and it has the concept in
• 14:17
  it. Doesn't it that it rains?
• 14:20
  Does it rain emotions? What rate it rains?
• 14:23
  It makes people feel emotions. If you're so many emotions, they
• 14:26
  can't stand it and they are vague.
• 14:29
  They beg to be turned into Cybermen.
• 14:31
  Exactly. Yeah, which is much cleverer
• 14:34
  than this. Okay, so the here is Terrific
• 14:37
  idea. Number two.
• 14:39
  Yeah, Steve another 1400 office is a nice smart idea to have
• 14:43
  Lain anime. Every corpse on the earth and
• 14:47
  have them turn into Cybermen and come out of grades.
• 14:51
  It's like it's just unacceptable.
• 14:54
  And if someone had pitched I like imagine if someone who
• 14:56
  pitched it to Steven, Moffat, in a meeting, what do you think?
• 14:59
  You just, you just said, no, that's horrible.
• 15:02
  They're like, oh, is this would be an absolute no-go in Rusty
• 15:05
  Davis, yellow. He just would not This.
• 15:08
  Yeah. So in this, in this scene here,
• 15:11
  right? Okay.
• 15:11
  So, you got Danny pink lying on the slab.
• 15:13
  He's very cold course. It's cold in the mortuary.
• 15:16
  But somewhere in this. See, there's a piece of paper
• 15:18
  and rear not it. In other words, known as Danny
• 15:22
  pink is there. So, watch out for it in a
• 15:25
  moment. So, what's his real name?
• 15:29
  Why has somebody written known as Danny pink on an official?
• 15:33
  Watery slab piece of paper. I know.
• 15:37
  I know what his real name is. Yeah, it's going to be something
• 15:41
  really tree reason. It like Goldsmith.
• 15:44
  Also me don't think it's that baby as well.
• 15:50
  Isn't it? You wouldn't choose like Danny
• 15:52
  pink. Like I want to say again like
• 15:59
  the direction is really good and there is a genuine sense of
• 16:02
  horror in what's happening like the the sidemen coming out.
• 16:07
  Graves him, you know getting up off a mortuary slab.
• 16:12
  Yes, well done and it teaches an absolutely phenomenal episode
• 16:16
  where it happens. On a much smaller scale, where
• 16:20
  you've got sidemen, be something creepy going on in a watery or
• 16:25
  in a graveyard and they're just doing it as a test and they will
• 16:28
  roll it out to the whole world. And it's just like having to
• 16:32
  like a few people but because it happens to everyone on the
• 16:35
  planet, I think. Ruins it.
• 16:38
  You don't have that kind of, that kind of creepiness.
• 16:41
  I think you could have salvaged the episode if that was the
• 16:44
  case. It was that one graveyard and
• 16:46
  it's still not nice that people's relatives are, you
• 16:48
  know, climbing out of their graves?
• 16:51
  Look how good this looks. The he around and around the
• 16:54
  plane like this. This is this is Step from a
• 16:56
  movie is and it's so clever. The use of the budget the
• 17:03
  resources, but Stephen buffer has many many.
• 17:07
  Arms that uses time of the game and one of the oldest one is
• 17:10
  playing because he's always doing something odd with planes.
• 17:14
  So they've got planes in Terror of the zygons and is
• 17:18
  aggravation. I think this is the same plane.
• 17:19
  Anyway, you got the planes in Fells of Sir John.
• 17:25
  Yeah, you've got the bit in the Dalek to part.
• 17:29
  So we're missing stops all the planes and it's just like like
• 17:34
  there are a lot of planes and it's maybe the compel me.
• 17:37
  You know, it gets playing this as well.
• 17:38
  So I mean, I don't mind things set on the plane and I'm not
• 17:41
  gonna lie. I think the sequence in a minute
• 17:43
  where the Cybermen attack it like flyers.
• 17:45
  It is pretty Dynamic lead. Um, yeah, I love they got a guy,
• 17:50
  you think got this wonderful fabulous, actor, Sanjeev Bhaskar
• 17:54
  and they got a while to deliver two lines and fall out of a
• 17:57
  window. I think that's.
• 17:58
  That's really awful. Yeah, but that's another Trope
• 18:01
  of this era wasting fantastic guests.
• 18:04
  That gets performances probability.
• 18:07
  He was intoxicated you've ever built by anything is dr.
• 18:09
  Do what I do but I think it's not a memorable part.
• 18:13
  Remember Olivia Colman being in Doctor Who and that Crosby?
• 18:18
  Yeah, they deserve whole episodes themselves did make
• 18:20
  both of them. Okay.
• 18:22
  I like I need you to explain this to me, right?
• 18:24
  Because I do understand this at all.
• 18:26
  The doctor is told here that he is the president of the entire
• 18:31
  Earth. Okay?
• 18:33
  Yeah. And in control of all of the
• 18:35
  armies on the earth. Now, you tell me in In any way,
• 18:37
  shape, or form. If that would ever happen.
• 18:40
  All the armies on the earth, have agreed to put their power
• 18:44
  in the hands of an alien being from outer space.
• 18:48
  Well, it's fine because he doesn't utilize that power and
• 18:52
  has no impact on the plot whatsoever.
• 18:54
  It's just a bit crap. It's again.
• 18:59
  It's like he's got all these ideas that if he developed a
• 19:03
  single one of them didn't properly, it would be amazing.
• 19:07
  And I think like sometimes you praise that somebody pays out
• 19:10
  with Douglas Adams or someone who can throw in four million
• 19:13
  ideas, and they're all brilliant, and they all change
• 19:15
  the way you think about everything and it's great and
• 19:19
  this time we're throwing in loads of ideas just to keep the
• 19:22
  story going, but we've Douglas Adams, it's lots of different
• 19:26
  ideas and they're like, Puzzle pieces that come together to
• 19:29
  form a perfect hole with Steven Moffat.
• 19:32
  It's like lots of little puzzle pieces.
• 19:34
  Yeah, the belong to 900, different puzzles that are never
• 19:39
  going to make a whole but they come together as for the Harry
• 19:42
  Hole. I'll make him pop them.
• 19:44
  What do you do not want to explore that?
• 19:47
  I did not expect to hear you saying that mr.
• 19:50
  Stevens. Well, seeing as were at the
• 19:53
  rock, bottom of the muffler here.
• 19:55
  After I go to the rock bottom of taste as well.
• 19:57
  That's where we are. Did you hear that bit there?
• 19:59
  Where where Clara was literally regurgitating?
• 20:02
  The doctors whole past like it in really fast dialogue but
• 20:07
  being super smart about it. That's why she'd be like as the
• 20:10
  doctor. It's very clever.
• 20:12
  And for all, look at those explosions.
• 20:14
  God. They're amazing.
• 20:17
  Yeah, she would not have made a good doctor.
• 20:19
  And what I like it's a nice little tease, but it just
• 20:25
  doesn't make any sense. That bit of paper.
• 20:28
  You just tell me about and that's obviously was yet, so
• 20:30
  it's known as done. He's holding it in his hands to
• 20:33
  remind himself who he was Stephen.
• 20:34
  Okay, so I'm going to have some pretty critical things to say
• 20:38
  about the last 20 minutes of this episode.
• 20:40
  There's see you in a minute where she kills those good.
• 20:44
  He's brilliant. Yes.
• 20:48
  It is. A brilliant.
• 20:49
  See. Oh, I know what you're going to
• 20:51
  say. Go on and later on.
• 20:53
  We'll talk about what the problem with it is and what I
• 20:56
  think the problem with It is because it upset a lot of
• 20:59
  people. Okay, I'm interested now because
• 21:03
  I don't think I know what you're gonna say, Okay, um, comparably
• 21:07
  talking to Michelle. Gomez is just wonderful
• 21:10
  listener. They think you can get rid of
• 21:13
  everyone else. Just have them talk for an hour
• 21:15
  about stuff. Isn't it?
• 21:17
  True? Yeah.
• 21:18
  That initially the Steven Moffat was going to bow out with the
• 21:21
  husbands of River Song and children, as they were should
• 21:25
  have started with series 10, I believe.
• 21:27
  That's true. And the chip no wasn't ready
• 21:30
  because he was doing the last series of Broadchurch.
• 21:32
  So he said, okay, I'll do another season and then he
• 21:36
  wasn't going to do the Christmas special.
• 21:37
  So I said, all right, I'll do the Christmas special.
• 21:40
  Yeah, I think the decision in series 10 to make it about
• 21:44
  Capaldi and Gomez's relationship was a masterstroke.
• 21:50
  Yes, you've got two amazing assets.
• 21:53
  You got two actors who love doing it and let's just go for
• 21:56
  it. And I'll also, you've got like a
• 22:00
  million miles. The best.
• 22:01
  Companion is Bill. She is amazing.
• 22:05
  The best. Did you say?
• 22:07
  Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
• 22:18
  Let's OHS. I was going to say earlier
• 22:19
  because Jenna Coleman is like Liz, sladen, because Sarah Jane
• 22:24
  Smith is not a particularly well-written character by.
• 22:27
  Elisabeth sladen, brings it to life and but Clara is a look
• 22:32
  poorly written character. And Jenna works very hard to
• 22:35
  almost from hurting but the fact that she salvages as many
• 22:39
  moments she does. And there are some terrific
• 22:41
  Clara moments like in Flatline. I think the end of killed the
• 22:45
  moon where she goes at the doctor.
• 22:47
  She acts that just superbly. Yeah.
• 22:51
  We've got this whole Splinter of time thing hanging over her.
• 22:54
  So it's kind of like How God cakes on screen.
• 23:00
  You said earlier about Buffy? Yeah, having a strong influence
• 23:04
  on Doctor Who? Yeah, we're about to have a
• 23:08
  20-minute seen in a graveyard. That's very funny, isn't it?
• 23:14
  Yeah. This is what else?
• 23:17
  Something else picked up. He's going on.
• 23:19
  Why are the seidman running around the graveyard scaring
• 23:22
  Clara? What, how does this make any
• 23:24
  sense? I mean, it's a creeper.
• 23:26
  I hate this. Also, they clearly film this in
• 23:29
  the day, having a a slap to filter over it.
• 23:32
  I love day for night. What would the old ITC series?
• 23:35
  Like the persuaders, The Prisoner be without day for
• 23:38
  night in a sound. He warms the cockles of my heart
• 23:41
  for Talia in a mini right? When the Simon men come out.
• 23:45
  Yeah. Do you remember the end of mind
• 23:47
  or where the, for us? Alphonse?
• 23:50
  I like dancing around the seidman, start doing that.
• 23:54
  They're sort of going, it's real.
• 24:01
  One of my story is it is age of Steel rise in the seidman.
• 24:07
  Yeah. It's just a bit of the end of
• 24:08
  that where they try to escape from Battersea power station and
• 24:12
  the open up the door and there's loads of farm.
• 24:14
  There's all this. I've been dancing about my dad.
• 24:23
  We could criticize the steel and I'd say so.
• 24:27
  Or even this, it's I, it's one of the best.
• 24:31
  I think, hey, this is States like in terms of direction as
• 24:34
  well for a market, correction of that.
• 24:37
  Yeah, you got to love him as he says, lots of space, lots of
• 24:40
  energy. So what he does, so, what's
• 24:43
  occurring now? They're, they're talking about
• 24:45
  the sidemen coming out the graves.
• 24:47
  Well, I think Kate lethbridge-stewart is talking.
• 24:50
  I'm trying to stay awake because he's just got up and he said,
• 24:53
  five coffees. He's working hard.
• 24:55
  It's just not, it's just not doing it.
• 24:57
  Got to keep talking. So Kate called toward Jesus -
• 25:00
  picture of the Brigadier on the wall.
• 25:14
  So talk to me about to finish, please.
• 25:16
  Okay? No, I haven't.
• 25:19
  Well, why what's so good about them?
• 25:21
  Well, so I follow a review as called he's named style and he
• 25:26
  writes, big finish reviews and he's one of the few people out
• 25:28
  there, the rice genuinely honest reviews, and he basically says
• 25:32
  that her performance is some ambulance sztyc in those boxes.
• 25:37
  So he's in complete agreement with you.
• 25:41
  I mean, I've got nothing. Respect for her, but somebody's
• 25:45
  told her to just play it down and it does not work.
• 25:49
  Not when you are supposed to be the daughter of one of the
• 25:53
  quirkiest, and sparkling characters Doctor Who's ever had
• 25:58
  in the Brigadier, because he does so much with.
• 26:03
  So I'm just hoping it up there. He does so much with like, again
• 26:07
  with relatively little and he brings so much character to it,
• 26:10
  and I'm the kind of knowing weeks the doctors.
• 26:13
  Better even in the mind of evil, whether it's really violent and
• 26:17
  stuff. He's brilliant and I like see so
• 26:20
  you're saying you can't believe that his daughter because she
• 26:22
  hasn't got any kind of Sparkle that he had.
• 26:25
  No, I can't believe that she's Doris's daughter.
• 26:28
  I mean if she was pretty dull when she yeah, I think I think
• 26:33
  she might not. I think there might have been
• 26:35
  something going on there. And Doris might infer Hudson,
• 26:38
  quiet evenings with some man friends while Brigadier was away
• 26:41
  and he's got out of control. I was a big house, you know, he
• 26:45
  could have been at one end. She could have been at the
• 26:47
  other. I know you're big house, huge
• 26:49
  garden. And the couple has the
• 26:53
  assignment coming out their grave, right?
• 26:55
  I'm just going back to something I said in the last episode and I
• 26:57
  know I realize I've got a little serious, but I'm going to kind
• 26:59
  of get a little serious again. Okay, in order for me to buy
• 27:03
  into the facts that the Cybermen are, you know, the remains of
• 27:06
  people that have been buried stepping out their graves.
• 27:10
  The other halfs grandmother died last year and she was very so am
• 27:13
  I supposed to Except that she crawled out of her grave in
• 27:17
  Belgium. And, and at the end of this
• 27:19
  story is that blown up? Something.
• 27:24
  So, it's the memory. So the memories are uploaded
• 27:29
  into the nethersphere and then their re-downloaded wired the
• 27:33
  paalam. That populates the entire
• 27:35
  planet. The pollen in the water.
• 27:40
  No, it doesn't make any sense. And also like I know you can't
• 27:44
  criticize science and Doctor Who because it's all sort of like
• 27:46
  magic anyway, yeah. Where does all the metal come
• 27:49
  from? Where does all the metal come
• 27:52
  from? It's like the rain somewhere.
• 27:55
  Yeah, but the handles of the coffins into Cybermen.
• 28:00
  I mean, I mean, he's taking like we said before he faking that
• 28:03
  extreme idea that the assignment of The Walking Dead 22 is
• 28:07
  absolute extreme, but it's just like logically creatively.
• 28:13
  It's just kind of like, bereft of sense.
• 28:16
  Is he? I think a single survivor man in
• 28:21
  a graveyard at night chasing the doctrine, their companion
• 28:25
  around, and maybe killing off a couple of extras would be
• 28:29
  fabulous, Doctor Who? Yeah, what happens?
• 28:31
  Here is bollocks. Well, I mean, did you like the
• 28:34
  sidemen in the graveyard in the next stop?
• 28:36
  So when it was all snowy? Yeah.
• 28:38
  That was all. That was such a such a fantastic
• 28:40
  image. I like what I like.
• 28:43
  I remember not liking the next Doctor, then I watched it again,
• 28:45
  recently. It was like, It was really good.
• 28:51
  I'm not gonna lie to you. I rate it dark water and ate
• 28:55
  when I recently reviewed it when it came out and death in heaven
• 28:57
  is 7. So, I went back into this
• 28:59
  knowing we were going to do this commentary and I was like, a,
• 29:02
  what I'm gonna Really Gonna like this, you know, and then, you
• 29:07
  know, I was quite horrified at what I watched.
• 29:11
  Sometimes. The memory does cheat I was it's
• 29:17
  always telling when you get an interview with the director who
• 29:20
  says I was handed the script for part one.
• 29:24
  We did receive the script for part 2 until very late in the
• 29:26
  day. Is that what happened here?
• 29:31
  So I think this is I think a lot of doctor is born out of
• 29:35
  desperation. Yeah, but this is really like
• 29:40
  bad. Desperation midnight was done
• 29:43
  like in a weekend. It was written like Like in a
• 29:45
  couple of days, like, yeah, really and city of death was as
• 29:49
  well. Really good doctor.
• 29:50
  Who can be done like in a panic, you know, I think what that does
• 29:56
  it with listen as well, which I think is still very good and
• 29:59
  that's a panic. We haven't got any set or budget
• 30:01
  or time. Let's just do something cool and
• 30:05
  it works for, it's always good to just thought I'd yeah, sorry.
• 30:07
  I talked to all over that scene and I really like it, and it's
• 30:12
  missing is so unpredictable. Yeah, yes.
• 30:16
  It's a great thing for missing. Its it really brings her to life
• 30:21
  and she's evil, you know, she's an absolute terrifying.
• 30:24
  Monster, who will kill you if she gets the chance?
• 30:29
  And she's turned the tables and everyone and the planes about to
• 30:31
  crash. Why are they on the plane?
• 30:33
  Why why no, I did what because of this set piece.
• 30:37
  They want to do in a minute, none.
• 30:48
  I hope so.
• 31:02
  This is the sort of dynamic set piece.
• 31:06
  But Action Center, he's the Doctor Who commands these days
• 31:09
  like I'm all for this. Yeah.
• 31:12
  Yeah. Yeah, it's great.
• 31:13
  Yeah, besides men attacking you. Do we care of its like Iron Man?
• 31:18
  Not really? No.
• 31:20
  I think this is a this is actually very Marvel.
• 31:23
  This this episode. You've got the doctor as the
• 31:25
  president of Earth. You've got the?
• 31:28
  Yeah, the side meditation. That is Missy.
• 31:30
  It's definitely influenced by that, right?
• 31:32
  Okay. So this is what bugs me because
• 31:37
  the fact that she killed Osgood should drive the dr.
• 31:44
  Wilde. He's should be Beyond Furious
• 31:46
  and we've seen. He could be angry about all
• 31:49
  kinds of things, but that should be like the triggered.
• 31:52
  Say I'm not taking any more of your shit and I am gonna do
• 31:57
  whatever is necessary. But what mafa has compelled
• 32:01
  these doctors doing a heck of a lot is sort of like impotently
• 32:05
  running out. We going.
• 32:06
  Oh, oh, oh and not delivering all his rage.
• 32:11
  Not having a plan. Not being the - Center of
• 32:16
  action, he doesn't have agencies.
• 32:18
  He's always on the back foot. And I think that's one of the
• 32:22
  things he gets wrong about having compelled as the doctor
• 32:26
  because he's an actor who can turn it up and command
• 32:30
  instantly, but as soon as you have not doing anything and just
• 32:33
  going up which he does a lot, it ruins it.
• 32:37
  The one time like the one time he did do it was in heaven said
• 32:40
  wasn't it? And look at y'all Capaldi Rose
• 32:42
  for that challenge. That I face that one man show.
• 32:45
  Of anger grief. Yeah, right.
• 32:48
  Yeah about twice a season. He gets the material like in a
• 32:54
  single scene. He gets the material worthy of
• 32:57
  him as a doctor. Like oh, yeah.
• 33:00
  He's an actor. That can pretty much do anything
• 33:03
  and half the time he's cracking like crap jokes and you know,
• 33:08
  it's it isn't good enough. That's what I'm saying.
• 33:12
  He's not as well, served as he should have been by his.
• 33:15
  The Doctor, Who Am I? The other thing about, what's
• 33:18
  good for weekends? Danny pink, is that nobody cares
• 33:22
  that she dies? And that is why it's wrong.
• 33:26
  That should be a big turning point for the story.
• 33:30
  People should be outraged about that but has no impact on the
• 33:33
  plot. What I think, I think Mafia
• 33:35
  things where more invested in Danny pink because there's a lot
• 33:39
  of emphasis on Danny pink, being a Cyberman and having to commit
• 33:42
  suicide and all that. Where's your right?
• 33:44
  That? The genuinely likable character
• 33:46
  that has just died his brush to sublet.
• 33:51
  There's a third thing. Hang on.
• 33:52
  There's a third thing about this is we set off mic but not on
• 33:56
  Mike and that is Oscars back next year with no explanation
• 34:01
  whatsoever. It will be not be as I got off
• 34:07
  to be exact to death. Again, Moffat wrote people don't
• 34:11
  stay dead. And but when it reaches the
• 34:15
  point of whatever you're alive again, no explanation, you know,
• 34:19
  like why should we care about anything?
• 34:21
  Exactly. And that was my issue.
• 34:23
  I'd never really felt like anyone was in danger when he
• 34:27
  says that shut up. Yes.
• 34:33
  Let me see. He's not saying enough.
• 34:35
  He should be taking the charge here and he's just like letting
• 34:39
  I mean, itís great to have Michelle Gomez showboating, but
• 34:42
  he should turn the tables at this point in my view where
• 34:45
  we're heading towards the most spectacularly dim twist ever.
• 34:51
  Oh no! Wait, but before we get there,
• 34:53
  we have to deal with this. This thing about that, she was
• 34:57
  the woman that connected them. You know, it's connected.
• 35:01
  The phone call. Why was that exactly?
• 35:03
  Ali. I'm just going to run outside.
• 35:11
  Now, look, shocked. I know my don't.
• 35:14
  She says why she says? Because she's a control freak
• 35:17
  and you're the one person who doesn't like being controlled
• 35:20
  what? I think, I think it's also a
• 35:23
  huge mistake, having a clip of the previous doctor in your
• 35:26
  season finale because like you've got to focus on the
• 35:30
  doctor, that's now, I'm even having a clip of Matt's.
• 35:33
  It takes away from your current doctor.
• 35:37
  That's a real. You had a clip of Matt Smith in
• 35:39
  your season opener as well. Yeah.
• 35:42
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:43
  It's like I remember Matt Smith. Yeah.
• 35:47
  Where we should be loving the new doctor.
• 35:49
  Well, I feel that the same thing happens in the girl, who died
• 35:53
  next year, where there's a clip of Donna, in a car episode and
• 35:57
  you're like, well, should we be focusing on Clara?
• 35:59
  Because Donna was amazing. Well, I was thinking about Don
• 36:04
  all the way through this season, so whatever.
• 36:07
  So, okay. So anyone can find the doctor as
• 36:11
  well on the phone. She's always nice.
• 36:14
  Yeah, I guess I can kind of go with that though.
• 36:17
  Like, that's fine. Yeah, River, Martha.
• 36:19
  She bring it in back to Earth. Yeah, that was where the free
• 36:26
  must stop. Carrying wasn't it?
• 36:30
  Okay. So what do you think about?
• 36:33
  What do you think about Danny? Cyberman?
• 36:36
  It's all for, and it's awful for so many reasons.
• 36:38
  One. He's already been tortured
• 36:40
  beyond belief as a character. Yeah, but like you said to me,
• 36:47
  you know, yes, Doctor Who can go into these Bleak areas.
• 36:49
  Yeah, as long as like, hope is regained at the end.
• 36:54
  You're at the end of this story. First of all, Clara killed him
• 36:57
  by turning off his emotions. Then he commits suicide.
• 37:01
  Yeah, then every single corpse on planet Earth blows up.
• 37:06
  Yeah, and then the doctor and Clara lie to each other and
• 37:11
  pretend that they're happy when they're really miserable and
• 37:14
  that's the end of the episode. Yes, we do.
• 37:20
  Like if you ever happen to see an interview with Alfred
• 37:25
  Hitchcock, he always talks about.
• 37:27
  You have got it. You can't the tension.
• 37:28
  You've got to have the release. Yeah, you know.
• 37:30
  So you could have the build-up and the same should blend.
• 37:33
  You got to have the release, which is why you get moments of
• 37:35
  Comedy or or like in the John Glenn directed Bond films, you
• 37:40
  get all the tension building up and then you get a pigeon
• 37:43
  blinking at Got the light coming out of the ground in Venice.
• 37:50
  I love that so much, but you don't get the release here.
• 37:53
  You don't get the emotional release.
• 37:55
  Even lets you escape the tragedy.
• 37:58
  What are we watching? Moonraker?
• 37:59
  Instead? Watch me Reagan through times
• 38:05
  like this. It's okay to scream when she
• 38:09
  pulls out the airplane. It's amazing.
• 38:11
  Is it is How can you scream flatly?
• 38:17
  Can you scream without emotion? I don't know.
• 38:20
  It's a miracle. You are terrible.
• 38:22
  I love y'all, but I will give every actor on the show, the
• 38:29
  benefit of the doubt. And I will give every script,
• 38:31
  the benefit of Doubt except her what a disaster, and I think the
• 38:38
  writing's not there either. So, between the rice and the
• 38:41
  performance, it is just a bit. In resolution where she found
• 38:46
  unit and they were like, oh, yeah.
• 38:48
  Sorry. There's no more funding because
• 38:50
  of brexit units. Gone.
• 38:51
  I was like, yes, yes, but chip null invented, countless
• 38:59
  registered, didn't he? Because the first story she's in
• 39:01
  is the power of three is that? That's right.
• 39:04
  Yeah it is. Yeah, so it's actually in a
• 39:07
  chipmunk story. So who is the Chris Anderson
• 39:10
  character? What is he?
• 39:13
  What is he doing? There he is.
• 39:15
  Chris Addison, appearing. In an episode of Doctor Who that
• 39:18
  is. That's these purpose.
• 39:20
  He's an AI interface. Okay, so why is he excited about
• 39:25
  doctor? The doctor?
• 39:28
  Saving himself. I have the answer for you.
• 39:31
  Yeah, because Muffet likes to write all of this characters as
• 39:34
  complete smug bastards. And so somehow the tortoise has
• 39:43
  managed to fall faster than Peter Capaldi.
• 39:46
  Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm not going to
• 39:49
  like the idea of the the door being ripped off the plane and
• 39:53
  falling into snake. It's exciting, right?
• 39:57
  I'll tell you what if Peter Capaldi of hit the ground now,
• 40:00
  we'd have had Jodie Whittaker early.
• 40:03
  Hey, hang on. Does he do this in heaven?
• 40:06
  Sent doesn T jump off of something into the Tardis in
• 40:09
  that as well. Yes, but I think that just
• 40:14
  something that happens in Doctor Who a lot these days.
• 40:16
  Okay, because you've got David Tennant, jumping off the
• 40:20
  spaceship in end of time and falling through the glass and I
• 40:24
  just got a job on his face. Steven look, look at her side
• 40:28
  when they're doing the 4000 thing.
• 40:30
  Like I think we're supposed to be super invested in Clara and
• 40:35
  Danny at this point. Like I said to you about how
• 40:44
  Bleak the ending is, and how depressing it is, and how the
• 40:47
  own the doctor and Clara won't comfort each other, even though
• 40:49
  terrible things have happened to them.
• 40:52
  Thank fuck for the after the credits sequence, where Santa
• 40:55
  knocks on the door and says no no, no, it's not going to end
• 40:58
  like this like it's almost like Moffat criticizing his own
• 41:02
  scripts. I think differently, but we'll
• 41:06
  get there. I'll get there.
• 41:08
  I think we'll talk. About the time, the straight, a
• 41:10
  bit of intrigue. Keep you for listening because
• 41:12
  if it's just us complaining but it's so exciting for everyone
• 41:16
  but I think I think these are valid complaints.
• 41:18
  I think these are complaints, are shared by a lot of people.
• 41:22
  Yeah. So people who don't know
• 41:25
  anything about writing stories, will talk about rising action.
• 41:29
  So they all say you've got to have a build up, things have got
• 41:32
  to like the actions got to get more.
• 41:34
  So if you got like you start off with a small action sequence,
• 41:37
  then you have like A downward bit, and then you have a larger
• 41:40
  action sequence, any other down with bit within the talk and
• 41:43
  recover, and then you finish off with your big action sequence,
• 41:47
  but we just had the big action sequence.
• 41:49
  We've just had the doctor falling out of a plane but the
• 41:53
  action pacing in this episode is like the structure of it doesn't
• 41:59
  feel one. Oh, yeah.
• 42:02
  And John Doherty was talking about this about how people
• 42:07
  don't know that they know. How stories work they do.
• 42:10
  They know how stories work. They know the pacing.
• 42:12
  They must have a structure, it should be.
• 42:15
  But the structure with this one is wrong because all that
• 42:19
  happened to the rest of the episodes.
• 42:20
  They just chat. Well, do you know?
• 42:23
  Okay, so I'm going to point you in the direction of midnight
• 42:26
  now, yeah. Yeah, which it all takes place
• 42:30
  in one location with a group of characters yet.
• 42:33
  And there is no action in it whatsoever.
• 42:35
  Yeah. Yeah, and it is master.
• 42:38
  You paste like this sense, the twists, the developments.
• 42:44
  You're right. Where is this, which has loads
• 42:47
  of money and, and big-budget action sequences.
• 42:50
  It is all over the shop. Yeah.
• 42:53
  We never know where we are. Whereas again, no action signal
• 42:58
  real action. Secret actually midnight at all
• 43:00
  apart from the doctor, being dragged out of the ship.
• 43:06
  But because you got that tension.
• 43:07
  Building up, building up and you Little releases and you know the
• 43:10
  funny bits and the bit where you know, it was still get the crew
• 43:15
  out front, get killed and you can't go through the front door
• 43:17
  anymore and everything gets Tighter and Tighter.
• 43:20
  And the build-up with the width as the talking gets closer.
• 43:25
  And then eventually overtake to the doctor says, she's saying
• 43:27
  the words first, love that accent, and it's all done
• 43:30
  without any action. There's like, there's, there's
• 43:32
  dynamism in the writing and the performances, but the was Zero
• 43:36
  action whatsoever. Yeah, and the trout as well,
• 43:40
  it's always nice to have a cloud signal board.
• 43:42
  Did you know I really really crawl now, but I cared about any
• 43:46
  one of those one shot characters in Midnight more than I care
• 43:50
  about Danny pink. I just can't Rouse any interest
• 43:53
  for him. If you can identify, what
• 43:57
  Russell T, Davies does to make you care about characters, and
• 44:01
  then we're able to use that then, well, then you would be,
• 44:06
  that's why the Steven Moffat episodes in Rusty, Davis's time
• 44:10
  are so good. I own I genuinely think sinus
• 44:14
  and library for us as a dead Doctor dances and empty child
• 44:20
  going to fly. I just think they're really good
• 44:21
  because you've got moffatt's gift for storytelling.
• 44:24
  And he's gift for ideas. I'm Rusty Davis is gift for
• 44:28
  characterization like blending. Like, it's a fusion, is
• 44:32
  beautiful. I, I think that Russell, T
• 44:37
  Davies, right? Least 50% of all the scripts in
• 44:41
  his era of apart, from Steven Moffat.
• 44:45
  I don't think he does very much them at all.
• 44:48
  If anything, what he said that because of status, but also, I
• 44:53
  think I think not, Is writing for the rusty, Davis era.
• 44:57
  So there is a certain formula and it is sort of character
• 45:00
  first. Yeah, where is he traverses?
• 45:03
  Yeah, but this is not a fairytale stuff.
• 45:06
  It's kind of let off the leash. You can do what you want, isn't
• 45:09
  it? It's also the pressure of having
• 45:13
  to produce all these episodes every year and come up with new
• 45:17
  ideas, all the time. Which yeah, you get burnt out,
• 45:22
  like, nobody could do it. Eric say, words had Some really
• 45:25
  good stuff early on, but you can't.
• 45:28
  It's so hard to keep that going to say right now.
• 45:31
  We've done that. Now we're going to do this,
• 45:33
  particularly if your conception of Doctor Who is different from
• 45:37
  what works, best for the show in the same breath.
• 45:40
  He was juggling two shows. Wasn't he was juggling.
• 45:43
  Yes, and Sherlock and like naturally.
• 45:47
  Yeah, if you're pouring all of your effort and all of your
• 45:50
  talent into Bunch. Oh, yeah, and it's all going to
• 45:52
  be in that. But if you're pouring all of
• 45:54
  your Until into two different shows, then it's going to be
• 45:58
  diluted. Yeah, and Sherlock should have
• 46:02
  been a lot easier to write because all you have to do is do
• 46:06
  a mystery and make it update it a bit and make it more to do a
• 46:09
  modern Twist on it. And the best episodes of
• 46:12
  Sherlock in the ones where they do that.
• 46:13
  And you had like the one with the taxi driver who's killing
• 46:16
  blow. Yeah.
• 46:17
  It's with series for, it's all blank.
• 46:29
  Compared to pretty much any way else already - what do you think
• 46:35
  about Missy giving the doctorate Army?
• 46:38
  Because that's what he does. That makes, I'm sorry.
• 46:41
  I'm going to continue to stream of negativity.
• 46:44
  No sense whatsoever. It means she fundamentally
• 46:47
  misunderstands the character of a man that she professes to
• 46:51
  love. Yes.
• 46:53
  He was showing so in this season.
• 46:55
  Yeah, you've got a fantastic idea of people dying.
• 46:59
  Into this mysterious place where this woman, greets them, and
• 47:03
  that kind of builds up throughout the season to lead to
• 47:06
  this. The she was going to create a
• 47:08
  Cyberman Army for the doctor to what take on the evils of the
• 47:12
  universe. Shit is just shit.
• 47:19
  Like, do you think that they're in any way, there's a
• 47:22
  possibility that more fat had this ending in mind when he was
• 47:26
  writing the missing scenes earlier on, I think This year.
• 47:30
  Yes. I think this is really, was
• 47:31
  going. Well, mind, you didn't you say
• 47:33
  this was a last-minute script. They didn't have, they didn't
• 47:37
  have this episode when they did the previous episode, but it's
• 47:43
  like, like, look at him. He's like, why are you doing
• 47:46
  this? What an earth?
• 47:47
  Like, why would you ever think I would want this?
• 47:51
  English, typical takes the show. I think it works.
• 47:53
  That Missy misunderstands. The doctor entirely in the sun
• 47:56
  says what the doctors all about, but Like Miss.
• 48:00
  He's been doing a big plan all the way throughout and it's
• 48:05
  this. Yeah, like, and like, you could
• 48:09
  have done this without like, capturing everyone who died and
• 48:15
  you can adjust like gone to a sideman planet and like fiddled
• 48:19
  them all, and give them to the doctor Eagle video that she
• 48:22
  could you just captured like a couple of sideman freyr's and
• 48:26
  said, right. Come on, boys.
• 48:28
  Yeah. Like sometimes the more you look
• 48:31
  at the episode, the war interest and the more quality, you fine.
• 48:35
  And sometimes the more you interrogating episodes the more
• 48:39
  sufferance. But I think especially happens
• 48:41
  in this era because he tends to over promise.
• 48:44
  He promises a lot which means you've got a deliver a lot.
• 48:49
  You know, all rusty Davis does is write bad wolf.
• 48:52
  And that's not a big promise. That's just a mystery.
• 48:55
  Yeah. Yeah, but that's great.
• 48:58
  I mean, okay, okay. Please wait here Maalik right
• 49:01
  here. This is he big gray.
• 49:03
  This is all right, you're trying to be positive now, on you
• 49:06
  deliver a lady. Yeah.
• 49:08
  Wait, no. No, but while we're talking
• 49:09
  about, like, promising delivery to, you know, what the hybrid is
• 49:13
  0, nobody knows what the hybrid is, but I did a season with
• 49:17
  that, you're asking an interview and he'd probably give you a pat
• 49:20
  response. That doesn't make any sense.
• 49:22
  And then he said he was a platinum.
• 49:24
  Sponsor doesn't make any sense because it's up to the audience
• 49:26
  to use their own intelligence in this scene.
• 49:29
  Season. The doctor has been criticizing
• 49:33
  Danny pink for being a soldier and a member of an army.
• 49:36
  Yeah. Yeah, but now he convinced his
• 49:39
  Clara to give him autonomy and be the leader of an army and to
• 49:45
  commit suicide. In order to save the Earth as an
• 49:51
  ethical dilemmas go. It's right up there, isn't it?
• 49:59
  This too. I'm going to utilize this.
• 50:04
  Yeah, well, you Okay, so Doctor Who is an action show.
• 50:09
  So you've got to have a lot of action and sometimes there's
• 50:12
  thousands of dialects and you've got to blow them all up at the
• 50:14
  end of the episodes and that creates huge problems for
• 50:18
  Doctor. Who's ethical standpoint?
• 50:21
  Because it's always going to end with an explosion and mass
• 50:24
  murder. Yeah, that's true.
• 50:27
  And this and when Danny pink is a sideman.
• 50:30
  One of the enemy. Oh God.
• 50:32
  Shut up. Daddy.
• 50:33
  We don't care about your speech. I didn't care much about Peters
• 50:36
  feet. I don't care about you.
• 50:38
  Shut up. Do you think Paul Samuel,
• 50:42
  laughed, his head off between, it's like shooting these things
• 50:45
  dressed up, like that for an actor, like, irrespective of
• 50:51
  what's happening. This is probably so much fun.
• 50:53
  This is probably like, so great to do, and he probably had the
• 50:57
  most amazing time doing this, all the effects, all the speech,
• 51:01
  or the cameras on in its. Ah, I don't know what it was
• 51:05
  like before this or after this, but very He soon around this, he
• 51:09
  did a season of the sitcom troll eat the sky.
• 51:12
  Once it control it on the sky one, which is set in the
• 51:15
  supermarket and you know, it's like it's a fun show but is, you
• 51:18
  know, like a location-based sitcom.
• 51:21
  This is just like, so out there compared to that.
• 51:24
  Yeah, but they loved it. I want to see you when they do
• 51:28
  this as well. When they just burn away the
• 51:31
  threat, they did it. At the end of the sontaran, two
• 51:33
  parts, who didn't they? So the Sydney Opera House is
• 51:35
  saved. Yeah.
• 51:39
  Well, that's the whole planet, then take the digital filter
• 51:42
  off. Yeah, the Phil's gone.
• 51:43
  Yeah. So these these Graves now, which
• 51:53
  mysteriously are not like the given the Cybermen or Came out
• 51:56
  of those. There's no worth that's been
• 51:58
  moved at all. These are just like marking
• 52:02
  people's lives. Now, rather than actually having
• 52:03
  the remains underneath them. Was that, right?
• 52:07
  Well, you know, it's graveyard. You want going to go check on?
• 52:10
  You doesn't matter. Oh, no, you know what's coming
• 52:15
  now? Okay.
• 52:18
  So the first time we watch this, we went around our friends else.
• 52:22
  Rich the mic. I would like additional watching
• 52:26
  various episodes of the seasons of Doctor Who and having some
• 52:29
  champagne or someone by having a few drinks.
• 52:32
  And there those guys are fantastic.
• 52:35
  They're both vegetarians are fantastic Cooks.
• 52:38
  So it's always impressive go wrong by placing your having a
• 52:41
  great meal. And so I probably didn't have
• 52:47
  enough to Before this one and we had a lot of champagne because
• 52:51
  its series finale and honestly, I was absolutely trotted by this
• 52:57
  point. Okay.
• 52:58
  I was blasted off my tits. The first overall you needed to
• 53:01
  be and and I woke up in the morning so that you wake up in
• 53:06
  the morning. Yeah, hang on.
• 53:10
  Did that actually happen in dachshund you last night?
• 53:13
  Get that kind of happened. What?
• 53:17
  Light. Like your your partner, yeah is
• 53:22
  famously, the most funniest man in Doctor Who circles, right?
• 53:27
  Yes. What was his reaction to the
• 53:29
  Cyber break. He thinks it is extraordinary
• 53:33
  misjudged and very poor. And you know, I mean like what
• 53:39
  the what the only thing that would be more disrespectful is
• 53:43
  if they all walked over to Nicholas Courtney's, actual
• 53:46
  grave in this scene and do Silva.
• 53:49
  Yeah, it's socialized to figure. That's my box I made up now.
• 53:52
  So usually it's just so Like, he's gonna Slaughter, they
• 53:57
  Saint, who would want this? And for the Brigadier, like, who
• 54:00
  would genuinely say, this is where we want his journey to end
• 54:04
  as a sign of skates. Flatters performance.
• 54:07
  Yeah. Oh, but uh, red shoes, I think
• 54:13
  snow on her. Unconscious acting might be her
• 54:15
  best acting yet. You know, it's very convincing.
• 54:18
  She's not moving. And he said wake up.
• 54:26
  Though the brakes are always wanted you to salute here and
• 54:28
  then he salutes him. But he's the silent man.
• 54:30
  It's just so tasteless. And and what is it with
• 54:35
  moffat's? Brigadier fetish?
• 54:37
  Okay. This drives me absolutely
• 54:40
  Furious because Nicholas currently was huge and it was
• 54:45
  great to play respects to him. When Matt Smith phones up and
• 54:49
  find out the Brigadier as died. I thought I was really good.
• 54:52
  But we pay respect to him again in this story.
• 54:55
  And again, twice Upon a Time. Are you okay?
• 54:59
  Yeah, well, maybe he was a big character baby using a lot of
• 55:01
  episodes, but somebody else died.
• 55:05
  During the more Ferrara who is deserving of equal, if not more
• 55:10
  respect, and that's list later. And where's the tribute to her?
• 55:15
  Yeah, that infuriates me that it's always about the Brigadier.
• 55:22
  Well, you know, as you know, who did the tribute to list later,
• 55:24
  don't you? That was rough.
• 55:28
  Magnificent during a lockdown. I still worry.
• 55:32
  Cried buckets watching that. You know, what?
• 55:34
  If I'm having a really bad day, right?
• 55:36
  I need to cry. I put that on.
• 55:39
  I watch that because it makes me cry every time and and it's one
• 55:46
  of his best Doctor Who pieces of writing because in a very short
• 55:49
  space of time, you're going from laughing from celebrating the
• 55:53
  Sarah, Jane Adventures to tears and tears and art fantastic and
• 55:57
  like it. Like 10 minutes.
• 56:00
  It's a 10-minute. So, you know, I do this bit
• 56:04
  contradicts, what has been going on in the entire rest of the
• 56:07
  episode, which is they're not really dead.
• 56:09
  They just upload their personalities and from there the
• 56:11
  sphere. And but they're going to
• 56:13
  reanimate the corpses of Cybermen why it's actually Danny
• 56:18
  coming back from the dead. What the fuck?
• 56:20
  And there has to be that is Dreadful science fiction
• 56:23
  explanation. As to why only one person can go
• 56:26
  through, you know, Everyone can come back for the day, everyone,
• 56:32
  what happened to that kid. Anyway, well, I wouldn't it be
• 56:34
  nice if my Clara had adoptive else if she'd have left at this
• 56:37
  point, you know Clara look to be the cupboard and going to do the
• 56:41
  cleaning. I'll fair enough fair enough.
• 56:43
  See now this sequence here whether in the cafe.
• 56:46
  Yeah, I think it's nicely written and it's very nicely
• 56:51
  accident, but I just want some relief after the unrelenting
• 56:56
  grimness that we watched. I One.
• 56:58
  I want them to have a hug and be like, okay, Gallifrey is gone.
• 57:02
  Danny's dead. I love you.
• 57:05
  Let's go and have Adventures. I think if it had been a fun
• 57:09
  adventure, having this sort of dark scene towards the element
• 57:13
  would have been really good and I think it is.
• 57:15
  It's one of the like on its own one of the most brilliant,
• 57:20
  clever scenes and what Ferrara because nobody's saying, what
• 57:24
  they really feel. They're both lying to each other
• 57:27
  through their teeth. And it leaves so many unresolved
• 57:30
  threads. It's brilliant, but on the whole
• 57:43
  be really dark like you. So that's why I love last
• 57:46
  Christmas because it undoes the mistakes.
• 57:49
  It gets them talking to each other.
• 57:51
  They have a fun adventure and at the end, they grab each other's
• 57:55
  hands and they run to the Tardis to go and have a really great
• 57:57
  adventure. ER, that's what I want to hear.
• 57:59
  Basically, that's what you want. You want to be squealing with
• 58:03
  excitement, like Chris about what could happen next Guardian.
• 58:06
  I mean, do what do we want to end the season with the doctor
• 58:09
  beating up the console? Like he does and a bit?
• 58:13
  Yeah, out of Rage for not being able to fight.
• 58:15
  I got out of range of not being able to find Java free.
• 58:19
  Do we actually up for Birds? Yeah.
• 58:21
  Do we care? You ran away from Gallifrey for
• 58:23
  God's sakes? Yeah.
• 58:25
  I know he's looking for go to frame.
• 58:27
  That's his big butts. But Smith quest of The Day of
• 58:30
  the Doctor, but like we know he's not going to find it for
• 58:34
  ages and I'm surprised. He phoned it as soon as he did
• 58:38
  because I thought to speak that unresolved forever always have
• 58:42
  that hanging over. You that Gallifrey may come back
• 58:44
  this out there somewhere. Have you seen hell been?
• 58:47
  I wish you had, Dr. Who eating soup at the time Lords Harford
• 58:53
  episodes? The season.
• 58:58
  I'm sorry with the doctor literally physically.
• 59:00
  Abusing the Tardis. He's probably so good.
• 59:04
  They look at how he sells it. Look at times in the emotion of
• 59:07
  the scene. There is no point in his realm
• 59:09
  where he is now 100% compelling, but I just don't want to see
• 59:12
  that. I in like again in a Jolly
• 59:19
  episode as a bit of a contrast as bit of a flavor that could be
• 59:23
  really good in this episode where everybody's just dead and
• 59:27
  they're all being from a This is a dying immediately and oh my
• 59:31
  God, even when you die, you still suffer all going to hell.
• 59:35
  Essentially saying that life is shit.
• 59:38
  Relationships are shit, dying is shit.
• 59:42
  Have friendships are shit. Anyway, here's will see you at
• 59:46
  Christmas, you know, Michaels place of Jolly music now, your
• 59:51
  daddy will be fine. Even though Daddy's dead.
• 59:54
  It's like I can see why people had like a Mm of reaction
• 59:59
  against this season. Yes.
• 1:00:01
  I also also I think like I mean, I judge a judge people, Everyone
• 1:00:05
  judges everyone but I judge car is the kind of person who have a
• 1:00:09
  fling with a guy with Danny and like think she loves him.
• 1:00:13
  But actually it's just a fling, you know, it's just a romantic
• 1:00:17
  image. She's got in her head, Steven,
• 1:00:19
  she'll get over it, you be judging me.
• 1:00:21
  I swear, I spent 10 years of my life doing that.
• 1:00:23
  You know, what else isn't it, like, Who is okay?
• 1:00:31
  I'm going to say, what is the nature of love?
• 1:00:34
  What if I've got? What four minutes to answer it?
• 1:00:38
  If that I think like the loving somebody and being in love with?
• 1:00:44
  Somebody are two very different things in love.
• 1:00:47
  Are you sharing your life with somebody is your partner, but I
• 1:00:52
  do say I love you to a lot of my friends because my heart
• 1:00:57
  literally swell. Pull them aside.
• 1:01:01
  So that's how you feel. Yeah, cuz how you feel about
• 1:01:04
  love is something that people selling the UK.
• 1:01:06
  Talk about very little. I mean, like, do you think
• 1:01:09
  Lauren loves the doctor? Yes, and I feel like they're
• 1:01:13
  both. Are they and he loves her and
• 1:01:15
  they're utterly unable to communicate it.
• 1:01:18
  Do you think Laura's love the doctor and Danny?
• 1:01:22
  I think she can be in love with Danny and love the doctor now,
• 1:01:26
  but hang on. What is your in a polyamorous
• 1:01:29
  polygamous relationship? Well, but then you have to ask
• 1:01:34
  this laugh, have to be sexual because the companions fall in
• 1:01:37
  love with the doctor all the time.
• 1:01:40
  But it's going to be a sexual relationship.
• 1:01:43
  I think the closest we got to polygamy was Amy.
• 1:01:45
  Pond's the Matt Smith dots are in Rory.
• 1:01:48
  Oh, yeah, they're all at it on the but I don't know.
• 1:01:53
  Okay, here we go. So I think there are no we
• 1:01:57
  should talk about Father Christmas first, shouldn't we?
• 1:01:58
  Yeah, hang on. This is I mean, I think this is
• 1:02:01
  the best thing in the episode. This is so I think it's
• 1:02:05
  absolutely terrible. Oh no, go on.
• 1:02:09
  I think this is. Okay.
• 1:02:11
  So as somebody who has written a doctor who fan fiction audio
• 1:02:15
  featuring for the Christmas. I think this is, I think Nick
• 1:02:20
  Frost plays it wrong. I think it's wrong to have it at
• 1:02:25
  this point. I think it's wrong for him to
• 1:02:28
  burst him and say you can't end it like that because it
• 1:02:30
  basically says Steven moffat's cocked up here.
• 1:02:33
  I I think it's so bad or every little criticizing his own story
• 1:02:39
  saying, you can't ND like, you know, you fucked up the pace in
• 1:02:43
  Steven get I suppose I suppose in the terms of dogged him being
• 1:02:46
  a Continuing Story, we know more is coming.
• 1:02:49
  So if he does want to rewrite some, I suppose it's an
• 1:02:52
  interesting segue. Excuse me, you wrote your own
• 1:02:55
  Santa Claus. Doctor Who story?
• 1:02:58
  Yes, some of you may remember Planet skaro.
• 1:03:01
  Audios. Oh, I know.
• 1:03:04
  And you other still bags over here.
• 1:03:06
  There's still out there. There's something hidden online
• 1:03:09
  because there's some people who were in them and for various
• 1:03:13
  reasons don't want to be associated with them anymore.
• 1:03:16
  So they're not like we're not going to put them on YouTube or
• 1:03:18
  Spotify or anything rash, but you can still download them and
• 1:03:22
  listen to them. They were all Pilots Carro de
• 1:03:24
  org.uk. The what I wrote is the first
• 1:03:28
  one, a row, it was called Doctor Who and the Christmas gnomes and
• 1:03:31
  it was intended to be the Christmas that he Christmassy
• 1:03:33
  cities. Story ever.
• 1:03:36
  Okay, so I'm going to go find those and that's going to be the
• 1:03:40
  first or do I have to listen to them in?
• 1:03:41
  Order? Is there like a story?
• 1:03:43
  You'd listen to me any order you like.
• 1:03:45
  But there I think the first three have a bit of an arc going
• 1:03:49
  but yeah, they will grab their own fun.
• 1:03:52
  How is this, the third commentary we've done.
• 1:03:54
  And this is the first time you brought this out because it was
• 1:03:58
  a we did the last one about 10 years ago.
• 1:04:00
  Don't you just write, or did you direct your act?
• 1:04:05
  I wrote I argued with everyone else about what should be in the
• 1:04:09
  story and I directed and produced one of the episodes are
• 1:04:14
  giving you argued with everybody.
• 1:04:17
  There was a bit of creative tension has been created
• 1:04:22
  tension. I don't want to go any further.
• 1:04:24
  I'm not gonna pry but so I'm assuming there's a website out
• 1:04:29
  there planets core. Yes, if you go to Planet, skaro
• 1:04:32
  Dot org.uk. Okay, and then search down from
• 1:04:36
  that. She find it too difficult.
• 1:04:38
  Honestly, Steven you like you literally the most Charming
• 1:04:40
  bloke. I can't.
• 1:04:41
  Imagine you going out, people like this.
• 1:04:44
  You know, I'm I only see in the best of you on these
• 1:04:47
  commentaries. Well, that's because I learned
• 1:04:50
  not to be so fucking precious know whose stories and it was
• 1:04:56
  very character building for me. Okay?
• 1:04:59
  Well, okay. So let's slide away from planet.
• 1:05:01
  Skaro, guys. Let's slide back to death.
• 1:05:04
  Heaven. Steven why should somebody go to
• 1:05:08
  their share of the back of us? Slacking it off for an hour, go
• 1:05:12
  to their shelf, grab death in heaven, and our water and stick
• 1:05:16
  it on well because it will be your one and only opportunity to
• 1:05:23
  raise a drink, a drink, a drink to Danny looking for a savior.
• 1:05:30
  All, thank you. He made some The compounds most
• 1:05:37
  efficacious in every way by the first officer.
• 1:05:46
  I've had. Yeah, I'm telling you.
• 1:05:48
  Oh, you've been waiting on. You been sitting on that the
• 1:05:51
  whole time, haven't you? I'll still look at that. 20
• 1:05:54
  minutes before we start the episode lunch break.
• 1:05:56
  Oh God. You want to hear the versus?
• 1:05:58
  Yes. Come on.
• 1:06:00
  Oh, dr. Skaros had water all over.
• 1:06:04
  She was a stair, leads in the case.
• 1:06:09
  So they gave medicinal compounds and now she can fly all over the
• 1:06:14
  place. Oh, that's rather good, you
• 1:06:18
  know, and verse 20 go then there's the bolster just planted
• 1:06:24
  disaster. Always a loser in every way.
• 1:06:29
  So they gave him medicinal compounds.
• 1:06:33
  He became Miss, see, gave the doctor a kiss, see that with the
• 1:06:38
  side. And then every year, can we go
• 1:06:42
  back to the chorus again? Will Please drink a drink.
• 1:06:49
  A drink to Daddy Pig, the bleep? Do they decide you're all here.
• 1:06:56
  Oh my God. I'm sorry.
• 1:07:02
  I don't know where to go off to that.
• 1:07:04
  Hang on. What did I need to ask you?
• 1:07:07
  Oh, I had a question to ask you. You know, it's all.
• 1:07:12
  I'm not sure I'll recover from that year.
• 1:07:15
  I'll be singing that all night. That either but he pink.
• 1:07:20
  What did you think of season 9? That was my question.
• 1:07:27
  Okay, right. So imagine every single swear
• 1:07:33
  word you've ever heard in your life, lovely.
• 1:07:37
  And then apply those as adjectives to description words.
• 1:07:42
  So it's what verbs nouns and something.
• 1:07:44
  So so things like a fucking pile of shit.
• 1:08:13
  Series 9, I thought like, okay. I made it through the Magician's
• 1:08:19
  Apprentice with the doctor all the time, going.
• 1:08:22
  All this. Clicks on a made under the lake
• 1:08:26
  Before the Flood, which is okay. So I could fairly decently as
• 1:08:31
  some ideas. We've kind of seen them before
• 1:08:33
  some good ideas nor and then the zygote in, but I watch half of
• 1:08:39
  the Saigon invasion of killed me.
• 1:08:40
  I could I could bear anymore when your fader or back in.
• 1:08:44
  That was a shape. So I'm assuming that, that is
• 1:08:48
  your least favorite new series season, then, yes, it is by A
• 1:08:53
  massive. Margin, what's your favorite
• 1:08:55
  then? My favorite new CI is Donna.
• 1:08:59
  Oh, yeah, how can you top what Russell T?
• 1:09:04
  Davies? Did it is last year?
• 1:09:06
  I don't know. Well, listen, we are going to be
• 1:09:10
  talking again because frankly, it's a delight but we lied last
• 1:09:16
  time and said that we were going to talk about the green deaf.
• 1:09:20
  Yes, and instead. Okay, just say it.
• 1:09:21
  Well, I think I Had like more fun.
• 1:09:24
  Yeah, in the 30 seconds, I sang with you, there, then I did in
• 1:09:29
  the entirety of watching Dark, Water, and death, and Heaven the
• 1:09:32
  other day in preparation for this.
• 1:09:34
  So thank you. It's like the perfect antidote.
• 1:09:37
  See that one was even my categories, but next time, we
• 1:09:41
  will be talking about the green death and I cannot wait.
• 1:09:45
  I'm looking forward to it too maggots.
• 1:09:48
  Oh, yes, you know about maggots. Yes giant ones at that and this
• 1:09:55
  because this beautiful Welsh scientists.
• 1:10:00
  Some terrible stereotypes, amassed computer.
• 1:10:05
  And the only minor chord Burton. The whole of existence.
• 1:10:10
  And one of the most poignant exits for a doctor who
• 1:10:14
  companion, I would say. Yes, and I have a little story
• 1:10:18
  that I will share at. The appropriate level are, you
• 1:10:20
  know, I love your stories. Anyway, I'll so I'll just say
• 1:10:23
  thank you very much for your time and until next time.
• 1:10:28
  Thank you. Jose been a pleasure.