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127: The Lie of Another Earth · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 7: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 8: We have clearance, Clarence.
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  Speaker 1: Roger, roger.
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  Speaker 9: What's our vector, Victor?
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  Speaker 10: Hi, this is Jess Wexler. You're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 10: Our movie's The Lie.
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  Speaker 7: You can't bring me down Kentucky, Missouri, Illinois, Ohio The
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  Speaker 7: red ones, the blue ones, the places that I know
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  Speaker 7: Look up the way.
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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 9: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 2: And, I don't know, what the hell?
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  Speaker 5: We're talking about movies. Yeah, we're talking about movies.
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  Speaker 4: Once again, we've veered off into a slightly different direction
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  Speaker 4: this week.
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  Speaker 5: That almost sounded like two kids recording their own, like,
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  Speaker 5: on a.
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  Speaker 5: First cassette tape in their basement or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Which play and record at the same time.
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  Speaker 9: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I spent a good portion of my youth doing that.
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  Speaker 5: We recorded, before we had a VCR, recorded, like, the
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  Speaker 5: sound of music and.
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  Speaker 5: Wizard of Oz. Not just the music, but the entire
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  Speaker 5: thing on cassette tapes. You just would play them back.
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  Speaker 4: I had, and no surprise, somewhere I still had it.
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  Speaker 4: It was a green cassette tape of Star Wars.
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  Speaker 5: Nice.
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  Speaker 4: The recorder was parked in front of the speaker, and
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  Speaker 4: I pushed record and play. Pre-VHS version, that's how I
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  Speaker 4: geeked out over Star Wars. And stripes of all movies.
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  Speaker 4: I had those two going, and that was about all
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  Speaker 4: I really remember taping. And some Get Smart episodes. That's
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  Speaker 4: a whole different thing.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to trump you. I was so good at
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  Speaker 5: Joust when I was a kid, and I wanted to
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  Speaker 5: prove to everybody how good I was. And I didn't
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  Speaker 5: have a VCR yet to record it. Or ours played
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  Speaker 5: and didn't record, something like that.
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  Speaker 4: And I.
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  Speaker 5: On my tape deck recorded as incrementally, I would say,
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  Speaker 5: how much I was scoring in joust on my Atari.
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  Speaker 5: And so when I finally finished it, I gave the
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  Speaker 5: final score. And I listened back. It was only maybe
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  Speaker 5: 10 years later I listened back to that. And I thought,
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  Speaker 5: this is the most sad and pathetic thing I've ever heard.
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  Speaker 4: Until about 10 years later when you also made a
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  Speaker 4: porn that way.
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  Speaker 5: I'm scoring so much.
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  Speaker 2: Look how much I'm scoring.
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  Speaker 5: And I call that porn joust.
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  Speaker 2: I'm scoring so much.
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  Speaker 12: So, yeah, this week we originally had a normal episode
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  Speaker 12: sort of planned, but we've rescheduled things.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to try to head out to Flyover Film
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  Speaker 4: Festival this week, and we're going to be talking about
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  Speaker 4: a few movies there at least. So that's sort of...
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  Speaker 4: changed up the way we're doing it this week. So, um,
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  Speaker 4: if nothing else, Greg and I are going to yammer
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  Speaker 4: on about what.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen lately.
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  Speaker 4: So, um, just as a tie in, and this was
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  Speaker 4: half your fault that I ended up going back and
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  Speaker 4: watching this. Uh, one of the things I watched this
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  Speaker 4: week was surrogates.
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  Speaker 9: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I gotta, I gotta, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I'll go as far as you did before.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Because I haven't watched the other one in a long,
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  Speaker 4: long time. So I won't compare it to anything, but
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  Speaker 4: It is better than I expected. It is, if nothing else,
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  Speaker 4: just story-wise, it's pretty interesting, and it's kind of imaginative,
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  Speaker 4: I suppose. And I think the thing that was probably most, well,
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  Speaker 4: the most realistic is I.
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  Speaker 2: Buy how lame the human race is in this thing.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the part that I was just like, yeah... Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: what's the span here?
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  Speaker 2: 15, 20 years?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, if given the opportunity, we would not ever leave
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  Speaker 4: our houses and sit on our ass all day long.
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  Speaker 2: That's the American way. Hell yeah.
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  Speaker 4: If you gave us the technology to allow us to
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  Speaker 4: do that, we would completely do that and totally shut
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  Speaker 4: down our traditional society within a 15, 20-year span. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was kind of interesting. And is it
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  Speaker 4: just me or was surrogate Bruce Willis's hair terrible?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I think it was supposed to be.
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  Speaker 2: I think so. It was to call attention to the
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  Speaker 2: fact that it wasn't really him.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But I was like, Oh, please kill that surrogate off
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  Speaker 4: real soon. Cause that needs to go away.
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  Speaker 5: It, it was intentionally disarming the whole, the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But, um, And that you could then juxtapose what the
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  Speaker 5: people looked like in reality, you know, the real human
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  Speaker 5: being when you saw them. And I think there's supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be some shock factor in that, obviously.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another one that was kind of interesting was,
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  Speaker 4: and I guess this is more telling of the people involved,
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  Speaker 4: is that the type of person they are with the
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  Speaker 4: fact that some of them look exactly like themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes they just look a little worse because
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  Speaker 4: they haven't gotten out of the house in years. But
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  Speaker 4: other than that, it actually does physically look just like them.
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  Speaker 4: And then there are other ones that are very... very
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  Speaker 4: different and you see and that's kind of fun too
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  Speaker 4: as you get those advertising you know campaigns that are
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  Speaker 4: just like have the perfect body and choose exactly how
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  Speaker 4: you get to look like and yes i mean you
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  Speaker 4: you get into that end of it which again is
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  Speaker 4: very much the road our society would go down and
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  Speaker 4: we would be all on board for you know buying
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  Speaker 4: into the uh frivolous and superficial way of doing things well.
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  Speaker 5: On top of that they even have a beauty parlor
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  Speaker 5: for your already perfect surrogates that is funny so that
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  Speaker 5: that's even you know we're that shallow that we have
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  Speaker 5: to take the perfect version of ourself and take it
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  Speaker 5: out and make it a little bit prettier so I mean.
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  Speaker 4: There's times when I'm just like, okay, this is sort
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  Speaker 4: of a cool idea. And I like that they also
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  Speaker 4: play in on the fear factor heavily. That, well, why
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  Speaker 4: would you go out of your house? I mean, it's
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  Speaker 4: dangerous out here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, wow. Yeah, sure, it kind of is.
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  Speaker 5: You've got a society of agoraphobics, though.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you look at what the media does now
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  Speaker 4: and how much it plays up on the fear when
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  Speaker 4: it's doing even just a basic news story anymore. So
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  Speaker 4: you give that 15, 20 years of, okay, and we
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  Speaker 4: also have this new way of doing things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could totally seem like, don't leave your house.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, the germs would probably mutate to the
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  Speaker 5: point And our immune systems would drop that it would
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  Speaker 5: be deadly just to go out.
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  Speaker 2: Probably.
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  Speaker 5: Even the fact that everyone's reckless because it's not their body,
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  Speaker 5: like it's one big Grand Theft Auto world or something
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  Speaker 5: like that. Well, I didn't buy that there wasn't any crime.
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  Speaker 5: Because I think if I was sitting in a chair
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  Speaker 5: at my house and there were no ramifications... I'd be
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  Speaker 5: out doing everything.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you could, well, especially just theft.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, some of the other crimes make a lot
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  Speaker 4: less sense since you're not really there. Right. But I mean,
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  Speaker 4: like theft, why would you not use your robot to
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  Speaker 4: go steal money so that you could buy more robots
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  Speaker 4: or fancier robots or fly in hover chairs around your
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  Speaker 4: apartment since nobody ever left their apartment?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It does seem like there's a little, yeah, not buying
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  Speaker 2: that totally, but, um, obviously.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, the other thing that I thought was weird was the,
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  Speaker 4: It was still like her hurrying up to get ready to.
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  Speaker 9: Go to work.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, but you're not leaving the house, really. Like,
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  Speaker 4: why would you get a super fancy robot and then
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  Speaker 4: use it to go to work?
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  Speaker 13: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, granted, I know society still has to function, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, this is the same thing when I
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  Speaker 4: played The Sims. I'm like, why would I create this
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  Speaker 4: wonderful alternate world and then go to work every day?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, cheat code. I'm like, I'm not doing
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  Speaker 2: that shit.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I kind of had that same reaction of
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  Speaker 4: you're going to go sit in your chair for eight
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  Speaker 4: hours and tell someone else to do busy work all
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  Speaker 4: day long.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what a fucked up future we have.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be a stuntman or something. I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 5: in a.
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  Speaker 2: Beauty parlor or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: A cop would be fun, though.
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  Speaker 4: A cop would be, and again, that would have a
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  Speaker 4: little more reason. I mean, at least in the first
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  Speaker 4: wave of it. them, when there was still a lot
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  Speaker 4: of crime, then the cop himself wouldn't get injured.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But, I don't know, it's still kind of lame to
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  Speaker 4: some degree. It's like, dude, you're Bruce Willis. You're that badass.
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  Speaker 4: You don't need a robot.
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  Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that was interesting. It was definitely a lot
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  Speaker 2: more fun.
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  Speaker 4: It just, it got such bad marketing, and it's like
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  Speaker 4: they just, like, dumped it, you know?
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  Speaker 2: It's like they dumped it in the theaters.
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  Speaker 4: It didn't, you know, make a killing that first weekend,
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  Speaker 4: and it was gone, like, all movies now.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing when something that's a property with as
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  Speaker 4: much money, because the special effects looked really good. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's not like they skimped. It's not like it was
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  Speaker 4: a low-budget version of a Bruce Willis movie.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: It had a hell of a lot of special effects,
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  Speaker 4: and they were all pretty good. And, you know, when
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  Speaker 4: you've got it led by Bruce Willis, one of the
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  Speaker 4: biggest stars around now, and it still can just completely
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  Speaker 4: be gone in, you know, two weeks' time.
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  Speaker 2: It's, you know, already lining it up for DVDs.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's, yeah, that's kind of weird.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, other than that, and this enters into an interesting
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  Speaker 4: territory that I've, I guess, only recently come into the
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  Speaker 4: circumstances that this comes into play. Going to go see
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  Speaker 4: a movie because the person in the movie told me
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  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I guess you don't normally run into that, or, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I guess lately we throw ourselves into that situation, but. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I remember like two years ago sitting there with William Forsythe.
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  Speaker 4: And by the end, I was like, hey, what are
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  Speaker 4: you working on? And he went into a good, you know,
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  Speaker 4: five minutes or more about Dear Mr.
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  Speaker 5: Gacy. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And he was talking about how, you know, how, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: William Forsythe is a badass, you know, as a character,
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  Speaker 4: as a real man.
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  Speaker 2: He's just kind of awesome.
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  Speaker 4: So the fact that this was such a disturbing property
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  Speaker 4: to him, I mean, that's how you do, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this is a fucked up story.
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  Speaker 2: When William Forsythe is like, ooh, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I want to deal with this.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's, you know, played Al Capone, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and he was looking at this guy going, ugh, no,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I want to do that.
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  Speaker 8: So.
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  Speaker 4: He was talking about how dark and depraved it was
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  Speaker 4: and how much he had to get himself into that character,
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  Speaker 4: but then he very quickly wanted to get out of
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  Speaker 4: it because it's so disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: So he didn't want to do a whole lot of
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  Speaker 5: press for it. He did our show, though, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is what's important.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. So, yeah, I saw it. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if it just came out. It's pretty recent, I think,
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  Speaker 4: that it made its way on the DVD. So I
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  Speaker 4: saw it and was like, okay, now I need to
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  Speaker 4: see this. So it is funny that it's recommended by
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  Speaker 4: William Forsythe. But, yeah, it was really pretty good. With
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  Speaker 4: some of those, they've done a whole string of these
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  Speaker 4: serial killer movies. I don't think this one, you know,
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  Speaker 4: that other one was like a company that was doing it.
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  Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with the ones that came
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  Speaker 4: out like three or four years ago that were, you know, Bundy.
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  Speaker 4: And I think they even did a Gacy one too, actually.
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  Speaker 4: But this is an entirely separate project, but I have
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  Speaker 4: to give them credit. They did a good job. And,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, a good portion of it goes to William Forsythe.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he really does tap into what you had
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  Speaker 4: to do to play him because, yeah, I mean, it
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  Speaker 4: would be really easy to just play him like, creepy
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  Speaker 4: and over the top but the reason that i mean
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  Speaker 4: especially like good serial killers if you want to call
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  Speaker 4: them that is that they're very charming is that they
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  Speaker 4: can get i mean you learn somebody like bundy that
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  Speaker 4: you know could also be very you know like seductive
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  Speaker 4: and alluring to these people and could you know win
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  Speaker 4: people over with his charm and like that way he
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  Speaker 4: had that going with you know the ladies but like
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  Speaker 4: Gacy was more of like just a, your average Joe
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  Speaker 4: kind of, you know, he, and that's the thing you watch.
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  Speaker 4: Even on the end of this, they've got documentary footage
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  Speaker 4: with like cops that were like assigned to follow him
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  Speaker 4: around when it got towards the end where they could
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  Speaker 4: tell something was going on. And they sent cops out
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  Speaker 4: to like, basically just kind of tail him and see
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  Speaker 4: what he's up to while we're compiling evidence, while we're
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  Speaker 4: getting this case together. And after a while he knew
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  Speaker 4: they were there and they ended up at like in
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  Speaker 4: the same restaurant. And he's like, well, come on, let's
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  Speaker 4: all just sit at the same table. That's how, A,
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  Speaker 4: comfortable he was with himself, and how, like, what just
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  Speaker 4: a sort of, to some extent, a people person he was. Like,
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  Speaker 4: he really could just be, like... friendly with just about
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  Speaker 4: anybody and sort of win people over because he's kind
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  Speaker 4: of got that nature. And he plays it like that,
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  Speaker 4: but he plays it like that with, with that switch
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  Speaker 4: that you can throw the switch and all of a
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  Speaker 4: sudden he is evil and sadistic and fucking scary. And that's,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he plays that so well because he really
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  Speaker 4: does come off as a hey, I'm your best friend,
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  Speaker 4: one minute, and then you piss him off or something
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  Speaker 4: catches him wrong and he is just frightening. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're playing Gacy. You have to be able to do
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  Speaker 4: both of those. And William Forsythe does a great job.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see, Jesse Moss is pretty much the only other
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  Speaker 4: main character. And do you know much about this last story?
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  Speaker 4: That's the thing. This really is based on the real
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  Speaker 4: story of, like, the end of his life, more or less.
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  Speaker 4: And this kid, you know, not to spoil it, but
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  Speaker 4: just give you the setup, because, again, spoilers for real life.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this all actually happened.
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  Speaker 4: This kid is, like, 18, just out of high school,
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  Speaker 4: going into college, and he's taking, like, sociology or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: one of those stupid classes that you can... You can
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  Speaker 4: write a paper on a serial killer and get away
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  Speaker 4: with it. So he's trying to impress the, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the teacher. He's like, Oh, he's watching the news footage.
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  Speaker 4: Cause it's coming up on time that they're going to
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  Speaker 4: basically kill Gacy. He's going through the appeals and stuff,
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  Speaker 4: but it's getting pretty close. And he's like, Oh, I'm,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think I'm going to try to write
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  Speaker 4: to him and see if maybe, you know, I can,
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  Speaker 4: I can, you know, do a paper on him. And
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  Speaker 4: then the more he actually like he, he had for
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  Speaker 4: some reason that first letter gets through and Gacy actually
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  Speaker 4: responds to him. And then he realizes, Oh, okay, well
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  Speaker 4: I could actually like, try to play with him and
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  Speaker 4: try to like befriend him and then i can get
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  Speaker 4: information that the cops never got from him the fbi
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  Speaker 4: never got from him because i also i don't know
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  Speaker 4: if i realized just how much gacy denied everything like
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  Speaker 4: up till the end i mean they dug bodies out
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  Speaker 4: of his crawl space and i mean out of his
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  Speaker 4: just like all these bodies out of his house and
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  Speaker 4: in the end he was still like nope Wasn't me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how those got there. I just woke
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  Speaker 2: up and there they were.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, he's got this like ridiculous story of,
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  Speaker 4: you know, but I mean, if he's not confessing, they
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  Speaker 4: can't just, I mean, they still have to go through
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: all this process if he's not going to come out
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: and admit to it. So that was interesting too. That,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, just how much he just like, everybody knew
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: he was guilty. It was obvious he was guilty and
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: he was just like, Nope, wasn't me. So, uh, this,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: this kid was deciding, I'm going to, I'm going to make,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: you know, make this work. I'm going to use what
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: I have. And what he has is the fact that
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: he's an 18 year old guy. So he sends him
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: like oiled up shirtless pictures of himself. And he sort of,
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: you know, starts to play on that side of Gacy,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: which he certainly had.
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: So he, he starts playing that angle and he starts
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: being like, Hey, you know, I, I, you know, my
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: parents just don't understand me. And he starts trying to
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: work that too. So he can be like, you're going
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: to be my best friend. Oh, and also look, I'm,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: you know, hot. So that means he's sort of deciding
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: right off the bat. He wants to play him and
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: he wants to try to like dupe him. Like, and
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: that's what he creates almost this other character. So he's
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: going in, like.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Trying to trick John Wayne Gacy.
• 17:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Which, yeah, I mean, is that a good idea? Right.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: And as things fan out, he gets himself in. I mean,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: there's still a lot of stuff that Gacy could do.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, you don't realize still how much power he had. Like,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: he claims how all these connections he has on the outside,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: and he can get anything done on the outside from
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: in there if he wants to.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: He also, he's selling his paintings from in prison.
• 17:57
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: He's got tons of money, like tons of money. He's
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: bribing guards. I mean, the kid's like, you know, he's
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: running up a huge phone bill when he calls and talk.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: He's like, I'll send you the money. Don't worry about that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's just like, he's, he's rich. He's got
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: all this power and yet he's sitting in a jail cell.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just like, it's, so it, it's very interesting.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Some of the stuff they go into and it's, and
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: it's really kind of interesting. The fact that this, this
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: last story of his is actually true as well. This
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: kid really did write to him. And by the end,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: they show footage of him, like, on Oprah telling this story.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, he really did write to him. He befriended him.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: He gained his trust and got him to sort of, like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: in a way, he got him to tell him some
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: stuff that he hadn't told people before. But with, you know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: when you deal with a fucking.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Evil mind like Gacy.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: he also gets inside of his head and he starts
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: to kind of play on the, the dark depraved nature
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: in everybody. So, I mean, he gets himself into a
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: situation that even he wasn't prepared for.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: So it's, it's interesting.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I was, I was kind of impressed with definitely the
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: William Forsythe performance, but even like, you know, just the
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: way the movie is put together is, is pretty solid.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: So it's, I would say it's worth watching if, it's
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: not even overly gory.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: It's creepy in moments because of, you know, the situation
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: he gets into, but I mean, this is all after
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: the fact he's in prison. So there's a little bit
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: of flashback here and there of stuff going on and
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: bodies being drug out, but it's not even as gory
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: as most serial killer movies would be because it's all
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: after the fact.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: So if he has.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: More of his mind and the true story and not,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: necessarily the gore of it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not recreating him in his heyday, it's recreating
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: those final days of him sitting in a jail cell 24-7.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: It's a very different take than you usually see in
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: these kind of movies. I kind of impressed with, with
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: how well it was put together. So that was for
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: the most part what I've watched. I.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: You know, I, I'm not one, I really shy away
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: from true story, serial killer films. It, it, there's something, um,
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know. It's too real for.
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: Me, I guess.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: And I, and I don't like playing off of that
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: or feeding into that, um, sensationalizing, sensationalizing the, the, a
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: real person. I, for some reason it feels wrong to
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: do that. So, and I don't know, I mean, they're,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: they're fantastic stories and, Some of the true crime books
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: I've read, extremely fascinating to me, but there's something about
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: the serial killer mindset that's almost like that wall that
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: I won't... I put up a wall and I won't
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: go around that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: And I know there's great movies, but... I don't know.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: I shy away from it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I guess with this one, the only thing that sort
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: of separates is you come at it from the perspective
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: of this kid.
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: So you're not looking at it through the serial killer's eyes,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: which usually you are, especially with those other ones that
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I've seen recently.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It's like you are, it almost really does like make
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: you the serial killer. It makes you want to side
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: with the serial killer by the end of it. Where
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: this does not do that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Like this one, he is portrayed as kind of, sad
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: at times and evil at times, but I mean, it
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: never really sensationalizes anything.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: It just sort of plays on the relationship that these
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: two kind of build up in this really weird situation
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: that comes about. But yeah, so it's, it's slightly different
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: than one of those, but, but yeah, it's still, it's
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: got a little of that, but to me it doesn't
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: sensationalize him the way that some of the other ones.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good. Well, yeah, I may have to check
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: that out sometime. I mean, definitely, uh, sounds very intriguing.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: The story is that that's fascinating. Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Just the fact that that all really happened in the
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: last days of his life is kind of weird. Yeah.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Uh, so that's, is that to me?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: I finally got around to seeing a real movie. Um, well,
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: it's old, it's still older, but, um, I saw the
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: fighter on DVD. I just, yeah, I added it to mine.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: I still haven't watched it either. Yeah, no, it's, it, um, it,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: I wasn't that interested in the storyline, and that's what
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: kind of turned me away from it. But I knew
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: and had heard that there were some very good performances
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: in it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: So, why not? Yeah. I'll tell you what. Amy Adams,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: I guess, is her name.
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: She got screwed because she... hands down was the best
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: performance in the movie.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: That was the one when I first saw that trailer
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: was so shocking because that seems so out of character
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: for her.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So if she can deliver it almost makes it more powerful.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Oh, she delivers it. She's completely believable. It's like the free,
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: you know, the first scene that you first see her, um,
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: and they spend a little time physically looking at her,
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: but then, and then they get into that character and you,
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: you're thinking, okay, this is the girl that, what was the, um,
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: ever after movie or what was the, The real-life Disney.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that one?
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: I don't remember that one, but everybody knows which one
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about. The princess movie, that real-life princess. You
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: expect that person, and that's nothing. Like I said, she
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: is completely believable, plays it extremely well, and she's got
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: some tough competition in some scenes. And if anybody in
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: that film was going to win a supporting role.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: It should have been her. So, you know, you've got
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Marky Mark. What am I going to say? I mean,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: he does a good job in this. It's like Matt
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Damon in Good Will Hunting. It just fits who he is. So,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: you know, Marky Mark, it just fits. I'm not saying anything.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: I'm not taking anything away from Matt Damon. That was
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: his early on. It was his baby. And he is a.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Fantastic actor yeah he's definitely grown I mean that one
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: was just yeah it was it fit him so well
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: especially at that point at that point but now he's
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: turned into like a huge oh yeah impressive.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Actor oh yeah no I'm not going to take anything
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: away from him but I might mention a little bit
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: about him later but why can I never remember his
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: name Matt Damon not Matt Damon Matt Damon the lead.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Christian Bale I don't know why.
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Christian Bale, the lead in it. I want to dislike
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: Christian Bale. There's so many times where I think, oh, he's,
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: you know, the Terminator or in the term, that kind
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: of stuff. And then he pulls off a performance like
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: this that just. And you know that he's acting. You
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: know that he's acting, but he just hits it all right.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Every scene, he's just... You know, he plays a junkie.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: He plays a has-been. And they do a little segment
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: at the end where they show the actual real-life guy.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: And he hits it. You can tell he just nailed him.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: He must have spent some time. But he totally, physically...
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: emotionally commits to every character that he is. When, you know,
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: I've talked about Rescue Dawn before. I've talked about The
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Machinist before. That's, you know, three in a row now,
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: the last three things that I've seen him in, that
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: it just, he's on top of his game in those movies.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: And I'm really impressed by him. I don't like him.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: He doesn't ever play people that I like.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: But he's just good. And just to watch him and
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: Amy Adams for two and a half hours or whatever
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: it is, is worth it. Like I said, I'm not
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: really interested in the boxing stuff. But it's a good,
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: it's a well-made movie. I'm not sure it deserved all
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: the accolades that it got, but it's a good movie.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Let's see, I also watched The Hereafter. Matt Damon. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: I remembered, my wife is very interested in that, you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: crossing over kind of people communicating from the afterlife kind
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: of thing. It's one of those little tiny hobby things
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: that she has, and her ears will perk up. Oh, yeah,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: that is that movie that came out a while back.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: And so I rented that one, and that's one that
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: she actually put the book down long enough to watch
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: with me. Um, it had some, it had some good things.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: It sets it up as one of those, you have
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: three stories and three characters and you know, they're going
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: to all meet at one point. Um, and how's it
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: going to get there? And it, it's hopelessly predictable. There
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: are some really good parts of the movie. He has
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: a relationship with, um, uh, Bryce Dallas Howard. And she's
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: only maybe in it for four or five scenes, but
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: she completely steals it. The movie, you're like, I want
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: to get back to her. I want to get back
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: to that relationship. You know, it's skipping from story. There's three,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: like I said, three separate stories, and his is one
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: of the main ones. And for about half the movie,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: she's part of it. You want to get back to
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: those scenes with her. You want to get that relationship.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: And I'm not one for a sappy romance, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: drama or anything, but The chemistry is so good, the
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: writing is so good, that you want to keep going
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: back to those parts. There were some shots that they
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: did that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Directorially, I guess, that separated it from just a normal movie. Obviously,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: you're working with somebody that knows film.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was going to be the reason I wanted
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: to watch it. It wasn't really the weird afterlife storyline.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: It's just that it's Clint Eastwood. And visually, I kind
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: of would like to see where he goes with this one.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: No, it's very good. There are some things... And he
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: does a lot with... shadow and a lot with low lighting.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: And there were times where I was really squinting to
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: try to see it. So I'm not saying that I
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: have the best home theater set up, but at the
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: same time, I was like, Come on, show me a
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: little bit more. And maybe I'm, I think I make
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: that comment way too much. Maybe I have bad eyes.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: That's what I was like. I was like, maybe it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: just your eyes going off.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Um, the kid in it that plays, um, well,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to go into that. He did a
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: very good job. I know the Clint Eastwood does a
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: good job setting things up. Um, it's like Gran Torino
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: to me. There's so much of it. That's really good.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: There are some things that really bother me about it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: But I'm not going to pan it. You know what
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I'm saying? He, like, gets 80% of a kick-ass movie,
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: and then the rest is like, oh, the rest is
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: just okay.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I think maybe it's just because he cranks them out
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, he's doing, like, more than one a
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: year almost every year anymore. Yeah, I'm like.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: if you could just slow it down a little bit,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: maybe you could get that last 20%, right?
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I'm still kind of catching up on some of his
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: more recent, you know, directorial stuff. But it is funny
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: how different he is as a director versus when he's,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: you know, his acting career but even like movies that
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: he's in and he's directing like are usually like it's
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: just a different mode it's like he's still doing the
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: clint thing when he's on screen and when he knows
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: he's going to be on screen even when he's directing
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: versus when he's when he totally steps behind the camera
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: it's a.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Different movie you get.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Flags of our fathers you know it's like you get
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: those kind of movies that are just like wow okay
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: that's gone you know it's like clint is not here
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: anymore but the director you know the guy who made
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: bird is back here you know it's like you don't
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: get blood work you get your you there's times when
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: he sort of elevates it and there's nothing wrong with
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: blood work it was a fun movie but i mean
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: that's all it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Was there's it's still it's well made but it doesn't
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: it's not.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Really elevated up to you know that level that he
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: can get to and he sometimes does and.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: He's very good at showing almost slice-of-life pieces within a movie.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Not necessarily like this is an open-close, tight story, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: this is what happens to these characters for this event.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: But he really is really good at... I would love
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: to see if he could have somebody write several good ideas,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: and he just handles short stories for... you know, a
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: 45 minute movie, because I really think that he, he can,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: cause there were parts, you know, parts of this film
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: that if you took three scenes and, and just boiled
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: them down to the elements that he's got, that like, uh,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: the setup in the beginning, um, the reporter and her
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: boyfriend and, you know, a catastrophic event happens. It, that
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: one section just, you know, lingering on certain parts of
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: a room or a street that he'll sit and show. Really,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: he does a fantastic job of telling a story or
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: just on a person's face. And then it's almost like
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: he doesn't know what to do with the rest of
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: the film. Like I said, about 80% of it is
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: just fantastic. But it's a good movie. It was a
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: little long. I was kind of looking at my watch
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: for a while. But yeah, I was asking for more.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: And maybe I do... I do like Bryce Dallas Howard
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: a lot. I think she does a really good job
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: in film. And I was trying to separate while I
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: was watching it. Is it me just liking what she does?
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Or is it this is the best part of the film?
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: And I really think... Wife and I talked about it afterwards.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: We really do think that was one of the better
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: parts of the movie.
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: And the most.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: one of the most interesting parts, and then it just
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: cuts off. You know, well, I'm not going to go
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: any much deeper. Jay Moore is in the film, plays
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: his brother. Jay Moore could just stop as far as
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: I'm concerned. And maybe, I know you're not supposed to
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: like the guy. You're not supposed to like, he's like
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: the schleppy brother, but it's brutal to watch him. And
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I hate doing that. He seems like he might be
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: an all right guy, but man, It was hard to watch.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: He just always plays that character. He always plays kind
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: of a jerk and kind of a screw-up. I think
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: that TV show he had for a while was pretty good,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: and he was actually good in it. This is going
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: way back in his career. But since then, it's like
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: everything else he seems to play falls into that category,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: it seems like, where he just sort of plays that
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: same jackass-y character, and that's about it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I definitely recommend seeing The Fighter. If you're really into
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Clint Eastwood or you're really into the afterlife stuff, see it. Otherwise,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: it's okay. I mean, you know, the box office probably
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  Speaker 5: did it for what it's worth, I think. So, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if I have anything else.
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  Speaker 11: All right.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Well, if that's it for the Geek Week, I'm thinking
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: we'll go ahead and we'll take a break here. And
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: when we come back, we may go ahead and jump to,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to be talking to two of the stars
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  Speaker 4: from one of the movies at the film festival this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: The Lie.
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  Speaker 4: So I think we will go ahead and talk to
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  Speaker 4: them and get that interview we did with them. And
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  Speaker 4: then we'll come back after that with our thoughts on
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  Speaker 4: the At least the two main movies we saw at.
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  Speaker 2: Flyover Film Fest this week. So we will be back
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  Speaker 2: with that. I'm in a flyover state. You can't bring
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  Speaker 7: Alright, we are here.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: With Joshua Leonard and Jess Weixler.
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: Just saw your movie, The Lie, and.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: To start from the beginning, I guess you said you
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: read the original story in The New Yorker?
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: The original story is a T.C.
• 37:24
  Speaker 16: Boyle story that was published in The New Yorker in 2009,
• 37:28
  Speaker 16: which was.
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: Where I read it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 16: And we optioned the story from him and then spent
• 37:37
  Speaker 16: about three months adapting it into something that we could
• 37:40
  Speaker 16: do for screen and shot it right.
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: At the end of 2009, I guess.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: So you immediately were sort of taken with the story.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: I guess my question is, your initial reaction, were you,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: I want to play that character, or I want to
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: direct this story?
• 37:56
  Speaker 16: You know, my initial reaction, which happens to me very rarely,
• 38:01
  Speaker 16: was that I wanted to play the character.
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: I wanted to play Lonnie.
• 38:06
  Speaker 16: Because I felt his pain in a way that I
• 38:08
  Speaker 16: felt like lots of people might be unsympathetic to.
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: And it kind of.
• 38:14
  Speaker 16: It kind of started from there, but it was also
• 38:17
  Speaker 16: something that we did so run and gun, and I
• 38:22
  Speaker 16: think it was four months from the time that we
• 38:24
  Speaker 16: got the story until we shot the movie, and it
• 38:26
  Speaker 16: was also.
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: Utilitarian.
• 38:30
  Speaker 16: I had more confidence in my skill to convey tonally
• 38:35
  Speaker 16: what needed to be done through the character by playing
• 38:37
  Speaker 16: him than I had in my ability.
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: As a director to get somebody else to do it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: It's a time saver. I know what I want. I mean,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: you mentioned what he's going through. I mean, I guess
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: we can get to the tone later, but just in general,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: is that sort of what drew you to the story?
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, it is very much about sort of both
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: of you dealing with that part of your life you
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: don't really like, that you're sort of selling out in
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: some way or another, or dealing with being a grown-up
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: when you probably don't want to be. Was that something
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: that Has sort of plagued you over the years, or
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: is it just something that you thought was good from
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: a storytelling standpoint?
• 39:19
  Speaker 16: No, I mean there was something very personal about it,
• 39:21
  Speaker 16: which is I think just the inherent compromise to individuality.
• 39:30
  Speaker 16: aspiration that comes along with taking responsibility for other things
• 39:34
  Speaker 16: and other people in your life. And, you know, where
• 39:37
  Speaker 16: that can ultimately lead you if you're not really vigilant
• 39:41
  Speaker 16: and honest with, you know, your family, the people around you.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: And then, Jess, you were sort of You're forced into
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: that sort of, you know, selling out point. Is that
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: something that's harder to deal with, I guess? Or is
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: it something you just tapped into as an actress? Or
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you had anything personal invested in that?
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: I think it's something that everybody realizes when they pass
• 40:07
  Speaker 10: from sort of adolescence into adulthood that all the idealism
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: is hard to stick to as you find the need to...
• 40:19
  Speaker 10: like support yourself and a family or all of those
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: things because, you know, you don't make money just saying,
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: you know.
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: Fuck the man.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: Fuck the man.
• 40:36
  Speaker 10: And, you know, the man occasionally can have some good
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: things to offer even though it's a, you know, terribly
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: tortured system that often makes... morally wrong choices. If there's
• 40:47
  Speaker 10: a balance that can be struck, great, but that they were,
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: I think, a very specific particular couple that came out
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: of trying to do something else, like trying to be purists,
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: and so they couldn't stray from it, you know, particularly.
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: And I do think it's a big question.
• 41:07
  Speaker 16: I don't have kids, but most of my friends do,
• 41:11
  Speaker 16: and that question of You know, aligning yourself with a
• 41:17
  Speaker 16: company or a job or a lifestyle that doesn't necessarily
• 41:20
  Speaker 16: fit your idealism in order to get health care for
• 41:23
  Speaker 16: your baby, who becomes the most important person in the world.
• 41:27
  Speaker 16: And I think very few people, you know, very few
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: people choose what could be perceived as the selfishness of
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: sticking to ideals at the potential jeopardy of your child.
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is that, you know, grow up and take
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: care of your family kind of thing, yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: And this was a very specific instance of, like, going
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: to work for, like, a very evil drug company. Like,
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: it wasn't, you know, I just happened to work in
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: this corporate office. It was a little worse than that.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: It is the ultimate evil.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: And then I guess we won't go into the lie itself.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: We'll leave that for people to go and see. But
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: it definitely... Was there a concern? I mean, maybe it's
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: different reading it and you knew what to do with it,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: but was there a concern that it just goes too dark?
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, it definitely turns a corner there.
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, there's still a concern. We'll see when
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: the movie comes out, but it is.
• 42:27
  Speaker 16: The lie that the protagonist tells in this movie.
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: Is very taboo.
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: And to some extent, that's why it was story-worthy and
• 42:38
  Speaker 16: what drew me to it but but it is fascinating
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: for all the people who have admitted to lying about
• 42:45
  Speaker 16: their father having a stroke or their grandmother dying that
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: this one is just is just you know a shade
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: too far.
• 42:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah which is what makes it funny.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: It's yeah it's funny but it is that uncomfortable funny.
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah yeah yeah for sure.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: I was going to ask, I know I did talk
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: to some of the directors at Flyover last year, I
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: asked sort of the same question, and as a filmmaker
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: or just acting in it, I mean, the industry itself
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: has changed massively, and more so probably in the last
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: 15 years than since it started, just technologically, if nothing else.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: As a filmmaker, I don't know, do you see it
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: as more of a blessing, the options that are out
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: there now, or is it just throwing so much out there?
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Does it make it harder?
• 43:34
  Speaker 16: Well, I mean, to me, personal opinion, it's a mixed bag.
• 43:41
  Speaker 16: You know, I think where we're at right now that's
• 43:44
  Speaker 16: really good is that the distribution.
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: Channels are catching up with the technology.
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: And there was a moment there where everybody could make
• 43:53
  Speaker 16: a film for cheap, but only, you know, one in
• 43:57
  Speaker 16: a thousand got to show them anywhere.
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: And so I think with, you know, with people.
• 44:03
  Speaker 16: aggregating to Netflix and Hulu and VOD that there's a
• 44:08
  Speaker 16: lot more channels for people to watch.
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: Niche films in. Now the good news is.
• 44:13
  Speaker 16: That it is a viable model to make a film
• 44:19
  Speaker 16: for a smaller audience. So you can kind of stick
• 44:23
  Speaker 16: truer to what you want to do as long as
• 44:26
  Speaker 16: you keep it at a price point that you can recoup.
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: And I think that it gives a lot more power to, to,
• 44:32
  Speaker 16: to the filmmakers, which I think is exciting.
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, it definitely lets you do it without having
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: to completely sell out to the man and do it,
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: you know, going through the studio system and making them
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: totally watered down your original idea. So it's, yeah. And
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: I was just going to have you tell them when,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: when it's coming out and where people can look for.
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: It or, We are releasing through a company called Screen Media.
• 44:55
  Speaker 16: We're going to release in October of this year, and
• 44:59
  Speaker 16: it'll be out in a couple of cities and hopefully
• 45:03
  Speaker 16: everywhere on demand.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: And then eventually it'll go through all those channels that
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: we just talked about.
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: Exactly.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: All right, so that is the lie, and go be
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: on the lookout for it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: Thank you so much. Cause I'm doing what I love.
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: Chilling, chilling, incredible feeling. Music for the children, not for
• 45:22
  Speaker 14: the millions. I can't understand, but I'm doing what I love,
• 45:26
  Speaker 14: so fuck the man. Chilling, chilling, incredible feeling. Music for
• 45:31
  Speaker 14: the children, not for the millions. I can't understand, but
• 45:35
  Speaker 14: I'm doing what I love, so fuck the man.
• 45:39
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• 45:42
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• 45:45
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• 45:47
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• 46:45
  Speaker 5: On by, on by, on by.
• 46:50
  Speaker 16: What's part of your problem?
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: You know, you haven't seen enough movies.
• 46:55
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• 46:58
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• 47:04
  Speaker 18: The milk now look all around There's no sign of
• 47:12
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• 47:38
  Speaker 2: All right, we are back.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: And thank you once again to Joshua and Jess for
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: stopping for a few minutes there. They had a lot
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: going on this whole festival. So it was nice of
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: them to take a few minutes and stop and tell
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: us about the movie. And I think we're going to
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: continue on that trend and discuss the lie.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about, man? You're a father. You
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: need to take responsibility for your actions. Brother, I love you,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: but who the fuck are you to talk about responsibility?
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: You live in a Winnebago on the beach.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm not responsible?
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: So, where would you like to begin, Grace?
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, obviously we're not going to get into
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: the lie itself.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: These, yeah, these are, not only are these new movies,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: these are movies that aren't even out yet, if you're
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: listening to this, you know, as soon as it hits.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: So it's, yeah, it's going to be a couple of
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: weeks on probably both of these. Some of them, I mean,
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: may not even open in major cities everywhere, so it
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: may still be a while before they open.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Make it to you. So yeah, we're definitely not going to.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Try to hit the spoilers like we do most of
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: the time, just because it's so new.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to ruin stuff that people haven't even
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: had a chance to see yet.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: So we're going to try to do a, a overview
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: and just sort of tell you, you know, what to
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: look for, what to go check out basically.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: So yeah, the lie is basically, um, a story about
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: a man and a woman have a young child and, um,
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: They're wrestling with, well, I guess you did listen to
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: the interview. They're wrestling with the sacrifices of a person's
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: ideals and what that does to you. And I guess
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: if you have a snapping point, you know, even though
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: just a weak moment and the ramifications of how you
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: make those decisions or what you do and how that
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: can affect your life. I don't know. What did you think?
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: There was, and I think it was completely intentional, but
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: it really did. is unsettling.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: When you get to that point, it takes a dark turn.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: But before that, I was going to say, even the
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: other theme there that we've been discussing, I don't think
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: it's really as heavy-handed as it could be with that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: It definitely brings it up and addresses it straight on.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, that first 15, 20 minutes
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: is just kind of a comedy. And very easily, it
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: could just be a fun comedy, and that's all you get.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: And that's kind of where I thought it was going initially,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: was it was just going to be... Because there's some
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: really fun characters in there, and there's some great dialogue.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: So right off the bat, I thought that's more of
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: the road we were going down, is it was just
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: going to be sort of a fun comedy. And then
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: it hits that point and probably even before the lie gets,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: you know, thrown out there. But before that, you also
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: start to see it hints more at hers, but it
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: definitely you see how much he's just unhappy. And you
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: start and then it starts to take a turn of
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: a little more of a real world situation of dealing
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: with day to day life and working someplace you're not
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: thrilled with and Doing it all because you have to
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: take care of your family. So it addresses that, but
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: it's sort of like a slow movement into that. I
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: think it's a lot more fun going into it than
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: if you just heard, you know, the basics of, you know,
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: kind of what we were talking about before. You might
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: think it's nothing but this big, heavy, serious piece. It's
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: really funny in a lot of different parts. And even
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: when it hits the creepy part, it kind of, tries
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: to continue that level of fun even it like right
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: almost to the point where it makes it more uncomfortable
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: the fact that they're pressing on and still trying to
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: deliver jokes when when this like really heavy moment has
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: been thrown out there so.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah it you know they almost have to have that
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: fun play there in the setup yeah because you would
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: hate this i mean you already want to hate parts
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: of this character you're like i don't care about this
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: jackass and if it didn't have i mean because there
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: are some warm tender moments that he shows it throughout
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: the film and there are some very funny moments and
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: he has good relationships with people aside from you know
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: the things that we omit to tell each other about
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: yeah i guess but if it didn't have that fun
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: it would be just Yeah. You know, and by the
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: time the lie comes, you just be like, well, fuck
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: this guy. I don't care. He can get shot for
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: all I care. If you didn't warm yourself to him somehow.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: It would be really dark all the way through.
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: If you didn't have those moments where it was... Where
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: it was jokes.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's moments where it's almost like stoner comedy.
• 52:30
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: There's moments where it's just.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: I couldn't tell just how, like, they were making fun of, like,
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: these super green hippie characters. Or if they were just
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: sort of behind that idea. Like, the characters definitely are.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: But I can't tell how much they were kind of
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: making fun of that.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But there's definitely a lot of humor
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: in that where it's so.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: over the top of, you know, biodegradable diapers and everything
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: is super, super green that it's like, it kind of
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: becomes a joke in and of itself.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And then, but you're also surrounded with.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: All these great character actors that like the brother does
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: a great job.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: And I mean, he doesn't have a huge amount of
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: screen time.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: He makes a lot of appearances, but like, he doesn't
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: have a huge amount of screen time, but I think
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: he is one of those things that sort of ties
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: this movie together as it goes on is, is this,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: this really solid and kind of quirky performance that he gives. Right.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: That's pretty, pretty impressive. Or even like the, the one-off
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: kind of characters, like the therapist woman at the very beginning.
• 53:30
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Is really funny.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: Like some of that is like the funniest dialogue right
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: off the bat is you get some really good little, like,
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: I won't even say out and out jokes. It's almost
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: like the, the way that things are phrased or the
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: way that somebody like, you know, poses something is, Kind
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: of the joke itself. Yeah, I think that stuff was
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: pretty clever, the way that it's written. We've got a
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: rocking song midway.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, it rocks. Yeah.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: You're going to have to go see this movie in
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: some form or another just to hear the song that
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: is played in its entirety in the middle of this movie.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: And one of the characters, that's actually one of the
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: most enjoyable parts of the movie is one of the
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: characters' reaction to the song. And it's a story in
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: and of itself. You can see so many emotions, and
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: you know exactly what this person is thinking throughout every...
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: And it's like you're experiencing it with them.
• 54:30
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Because it changes quite a bit as it goes on.
• 54:33
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: And I think.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know anything really about acting I would never
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: claim to... But as far as showing that to an
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: acting student, that's about as good as you can do silently,
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: facial expressions, just reacting to something.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: And again, I guess we won't even go into who
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: or what, but I will give this actor credit. A
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: good portion of the performance is nothing but a straight
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: on shot of their face and It's just, again, a
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: lesser actor really could not have delivered there. Probably couldn't
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: even have handled, like, having this entire scene center around
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: this shot on their face. But, like, they come through
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: with flying colors here. That does a really good job
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: on that scene. And several others that sort of center
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: around that same basic idea.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, it's just really well done.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: And, I mean, I'm not beating the dead horse on
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: this scene, but it's, It's not just a shift, you know,
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: we're going from A to B on emotion or A
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: to B on preference to a song or something like that.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: This is many layers and almost swinging back and forth
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: in and out of different layers. Like, okay, yes, no, yeah.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: It just really tells a fantastic story. Um, and yeah,
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: I was, I was just blown away by that, by
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: that one scene. So, yeah. And that's, there are other
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: scenes that the, the, the fan, the great part is
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: that same actor does it a couple of more times. Yeah. Um,
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: and I was very much impressed.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: That the whole scene sort of centers around the reaction
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: shot and just what, what you can deliver with just
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: the face and what, what comes with that, you know?
• 56:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: It's, It's interesting, and it's something I, again, I didn't
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: expect going into this movie because I expected it to
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: be more of a comedy, and I expected it to
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: be more, you know, silly, but yeah, as you get
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: into it, there's some interesting things that, and yeah, Joshua
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: is the director himself, so he comes up with some
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: interesting ways that he plays with, you know, the Not
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: even the camera work sometimes. It's just what he does
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: with the camera and how he chooses to show the
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: actors that I think is kind of original. Some of
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: it is stuff I haven't seen before or haven't seen
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: used in that way before.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: So that's saying something, too.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: That, yeah, it's still kind of clever in the way
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: it structures some of these scenes.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And I kind of mentioned this before. It is disarming.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Not just the lie, but just the whole arc that
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: the characters go on, I think. And the situations that
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: they're in. And the only thing that I can parallel
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: it to that first, I guess, comes to mind first,
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: to me, is when I would watch The Wonder Years
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: when I was younger. Fred Savage was about my age. And,
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: of course, it was set many, many years before You know,
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: when I was coming up, but there were times where
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: I would watch that show and the awkwardness of revealing
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: yourself or the situation that you get yourself into and
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: you're stuck there and you have to face the ramifications
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: of that, of revealing yourself to someone. There were times
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: as a kid I would change the channel because I
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: couldn't handle that emotion of what he was having to
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: deal with. I was internalizing it too much. And there's
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: several times in this movie you're like, I just want
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: to look away because I would not want to be
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: where this person is, what they're doing, and how they
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: have to... Go.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Along with it at that point.
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: They've painted themselves into this corner and there's just no...
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: easy way i mean it's it's all or nothing at
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: that point you can't minorly get out of this anymore
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: it's it's yeah it's yeah that's.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Well done and the other thing i was going to
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: say is that you know we we've.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: Gone on about the tone and the guard turn that
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: but there's also other like you were saying before that
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: that for you to also like the characters you have
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: to have the the good stuff along the way there's
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: like a camping trip in the middle of it that's
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: just really nice.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: And it's like, it's this great.
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: Scene and it really shows these characters kind of like
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: what the basic... elements of these characters are and why
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: we're supposed to care about them and why even when
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: they do things that you really disagree with or when
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: they do things that are just kind of like you're
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: kind of disappointed in that you don't write them off
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: because you still see, you know, there's a scene there
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: or there's a scene with, you know, them, you know,
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: in home later and you're just like, well, yeah, but
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: they really are, you know, pretty, pretty well balanced people
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: if you take that, you know, the main horrible situation out.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: It's like even for their shortcomings, they're still good people.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: And it does keep you on there that it's not
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: all heavy. And again, towards the end, there's more kind
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: of jokes that come in. There's some really funny stuff
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: at the end. So it's never like... I don't want
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: to get caught up so much in the dark tone
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: because I think it still sort of plays like a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: comedy all the way through.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: It just becomes a dark comedy midway in there.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it still works pretty well as
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: a comedy all the way through.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: And I'm not... I'm not saying, you know, this is,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: I don't want to go there. But what works for
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: me and emotionally with me is something really bad happens
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: in my family or something really, some really awkward situation
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: comes along. The sooner I can deal with it with humor,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: the more capable I am in dealing with it in
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: times of where I'm alone and I just have to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: sit and internalize and think about it. So if I can,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: with a friend or with the wife or with the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: kid or whatever, start making the jokes early on about
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: the situation, it just makes me get a handle on
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: it a little bit more. And that's almost how I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: think this was... I think there might be some people
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: that are.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: Confused by almost these dual tones that maybe ebb and flow.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: You know, it's heavy or it's sad or tense, and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: then there are jokes thrown in. Again, if you didn't
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: have those jokes, you'd just shut down, I think. And
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: it wouldn't even be believable. Because, you know, life is
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: funny most of the time.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: And we make it that way even in dire situations.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: It's like that's the only way we know how to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: deal with stuff, especially, you know, smart ass people like
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: we are. I mean, I will, yeah, throw out, you know,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: stuff like that at the most inopportune moment sometimes because
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: it really is the only way I know how to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: process it.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: Is to try to make light of it a little
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: bit so that it's not so damn heavy.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot of people that that
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: really is how they deal with something that uncomfortable and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: dark and creepy.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's 10 or 15 moments, you know, someone
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: comes to the door, someone comes to an office in
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: this film that he has to face. And again, we've
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: already said that, but the movie is almost set up
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: For those to hit and for you to really feel, oh, God,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: he has to deal with this and he has to
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: deal with it now. And he can't, you know, it's
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: it's and it's and it's real in that everybody's faced
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: not necessarily a lie. I mean, we've all stretched the truth.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: And then had to deal with it. So this is
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: just the worst case scenario. It really is about the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: worst case scenario. You can't talk yourself out of this situation.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, everybody's gotten into that. Like you've said
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: something and as soon as it out of your mouth,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: you're like.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, why did I just say that?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: This is the worst case scenario of what, Oh, what
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: have I done? There's just, yeah. So it's, I think
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: it does tap into a little bit of the, you know, we,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: to a lesser degree, people have gotten themselves into something
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: like this and then had to go along with it
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: or come clean and deal with the consequences. And this
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: just elevates it to, to a really uncomfortable level.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: Um, and I'll, I'll, I'm going to bring up and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: talk about not specifically what's happening, but in the third act, um,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: which is really dealing with the revelation of it and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: what are we going to do now. You know, because
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: you have the person's initial reaction, which was fantastic.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: And then a little break and then kind of dealing
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: with it. And that felt so real. In so many
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: movies you might have, you know, I don't know how
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: to talk about it without, without revealing the movie, but you,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: you might have that first reaction and then maybe a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: montage or maybe some kind of separation or maybe, and,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: but this one, they just immediately go into, how are
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: we going to fix this? How are we going to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: not even, how are we going to solve the problem
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: of what this is and what it means? But in
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: the grand scheme of things of who are we and, and, and,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: Where are– and that ultimate revelation of– not revelation, but revealing,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: uncovering of who you are.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: Deciding at some point who I want to be.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: It felt so real.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: The conversation that happens there that I was– it was
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: a real relationship. It was how people would really talk.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: And I was– that was captured very well.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say is I think
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: one of the most impressive things about this movie is
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: that relationship. I mean, it does sit around Joshua and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Jess and, and the entire movie almost is, is sort
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: of kind of hinges on this relationship. And, and I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: think so much of, of what is built up as
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: it goes on is nothing but that relationship. And especially
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: by the time you hit that third act and, That's
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: what I think has done so well is that it
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: is real and it feels like a real relationship and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: these feel like real characters. And you get yourself into
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: these bad situations in your life and sometimes you're doing
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: things you don't like and sometimes you've done something stupid
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: and you have to find a way to make up
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: for it to this person that you still love. And,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: you know, it may be horrible, but how do you
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: fix it? You know, it's like you still love them.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: You still want to be with them.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Now what do I do?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: You know?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: So it, it, it does so much of the entire
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: thing is built around that. And I think it works
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: and it works so well. I, I sat there the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: whole time trying to figure out if they're actually in
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: a relationship.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: As time went, I mean, you can tell that in
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: some movies that there really is a connection with people.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: And sometimes you go back and look at, you know,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Bogey and McCall and stuff and be like, well, yeah,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: they have chemistry because they really are. And this one,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: I still don't even know that they are in the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: real world, but it definitely reads on screen. Like, they
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: are a couple and it really does feel like they
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: are in a real relationship.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: And that's probably, I mean, their, their performances.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: That, that kind of makes it, I mean, he does
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: a good job at directing, but if anything, just, yeah,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: just is really does stand out in this. I mean,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: he does a good job, but so much of what
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: goes on, In these performances, she kind of delivers on it.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: In a way, I just went through and was looking
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: at all the stuff she's been in, and a lot
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: of it I haven't seen in a lot of indie films,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: and I'm going to have to go back and find
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: them now because she does deliver in a way that
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: I was not prepared for. In the beginning, she's so
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: fun and light and comes off as likable, but I
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: didn't know that she had that... punch that by the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: end of it, she just delivers this real and, and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: just hardcore performance that I'm just like, yep, that's an actress.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: And she, yeah, I need to see more stuff with her.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: And, and directorial wise, he let her go. You can
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: tell that he wasn't afraid, you know, he's the star
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: of the film and the director and you, there's, there's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: going to be some ego in that, but he was
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: not afraid to let her just go. And even upstage him,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: In some moments, yeah. And totally be comfortable with, like,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: we're going to let you go because this is just good. So, yeah,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: you've got to give kudos to that as well. They
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: captured some really good stuff in it. And I hope
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: enough people get to see it. That's the thing. I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: know it's going to have a limited release. It's going to.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: Get out there, but yeah, I think if enough people
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: talk about it and brought that up with him, that
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: in this new world, not only is there this new
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: technology of ways to get the movie, but it's also
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: all make or break by word of mouth, and word
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: of mouth isn't physical anymore.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: It's all virtual.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: It's all tweeting, and it's all posting it on my
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: Facebook page, and it's all, I mean, everything... you know,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: 90% of it now takes place over the internet. So
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: it's like if enough people, you know, watch it and
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: pass the word along and, you know, say this was good,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: this performance was good, you know, that's, that's how it
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: gets out there at this point. And for smaller movies
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: like this, that's important. So if nothing else, yeah, just to,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: to get that out there in our format, which, you know, you're.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Listening to now. So that's probably about it on that
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: one without.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: Totally ruining it, ruining everything. I don't want to ruin it. It's, it's, um, Yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: And it's better.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, it really is something that's better to experience
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: it that way. If somebody had told me what it was,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: I don't think it would have hit as well as
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: it did. I think it works so much better when
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: you get to that moment and go, oh, oh, okay.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 15: Wow.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I think it works better not knowing what
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: you're really 100% getting yourself into once you get in there.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: So it's definitely worth checking out, and it'll be interesting
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: to see what other people think about it, and hopefully
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: a good.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Amount of them get to see it. Should we move
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: on to the next one?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have no trouble moving on to the next movie.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: I hope I do this next movie justice. I want
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: people to see this. Well, I'd like people to see
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: both of them. Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: It was a good lineup, I have to say. We
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: had a good.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: This was sort of the opening night for Flyover Film Fest.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: And yeah, they opened it up with two really good movies.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: So next up is Another Earth.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 11: This is Dr.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 10: Joan Tallis, the United States Planet Earths.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 18: Do you read me?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: Is anyone out there?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 8: We're getting feedback.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 18: Let's try another channel.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 16: Hello?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: Hello?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 11: This is Dr.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Joe. What does that mean?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: I don't understand what that means.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 10: In the grand history of the cosmos, more than 13,000
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 10: million years.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 18: Old, our Earth is replicated elsewhere.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: There's another you out there.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: Now you begin to wonder, has the other me made
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: the same mistakes I've made?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 10: And is that me better than this me?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 11: Let me tell you a story.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: It's about a girl.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 13: She does something unforgivable. She goes to apologize, but she
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 13: loses her nerve.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 11: She lies to him.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 13: She thinks she might be able to make his life
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 13: a little bit better. It was really just a way
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 13: to survive what I've done.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: Again, I guess the only somewhat recognizable name would be
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: William Mayfother, which we've brought up in years past. Actually,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: the first Flyover Film Fest that I went to and
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: I saw, and we talked to J.T. Petty, who is
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: director of the other movie he was in that didn't
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: get a wide release and kind of did get shafted
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: when it came to distribution.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, hopefully... Which.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: Is a very good movie, by the way.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: It is a very good movie, and yeah, go seek
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: The Burrowers if you haven't seen it yet. But, um,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: this is, see that again, it's, it's weird that he
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: ends up in some of the stuff he does because
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: this is another one that by reading the, you know,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: the basic setup or even watching the trailer, you get
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: a very like science fiction feel to it, which really,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: once you're in there, it's not at all. I mean, it's,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: it's basically a drama with the backdrop of science fiction
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: going on.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: But it really literally is the backdrop kind of.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 9: So, uh, yeah.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: It's hanging over.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, it's interesting that it's probably kind of
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: cashing in on that a little bit, which I guess
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: is good. You've got a genre crowd out there and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: you've got people that will go see something just because
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: it's got that tie into it. But the thing is,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: that almost didn't have to be there, you know? What
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: goes on in the story is so strong, and the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: performances are so well done, that you really do not
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: even have to have that. I think it's cool, and
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: I'm a geek, so I kind of like... Should we
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: at least go into that base? I mean, it's kind of.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Even if you watch the trailer.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're going to get it from the trailer.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: That one's in the setup.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, the basic sci-fi angle is the fact
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: that they discover this other planet... That is similar to Earth,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: has the same oxygen level as a moon, and has
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: pretty much the whole same basic setup as Earth.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: Extremely close.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Well, and then as time goes on, it's closer. You're right.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: It's getting closer to us.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: I guess we can kind of leave it at that.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, you hit a really kind of cool point
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: midway in where you find out something else that I
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: guess I'll leave.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Once again, you might find out about it before you
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: But again, I don't even think that is necessary. Not
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: for the real strengths of this movie. I think it's fun,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: and by the end, it kind of gives you somewhere
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: to go with the story.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 10: But.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, again, the strengths don't lie in that.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: I think the stuff that's more impressive could have happened
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: in just a basic drama set up around the other
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: 75% of this movie.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Good sci-fi to me. Good sci-fi. I mean, I love
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: Star Wars and I love, you know, I love watching.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not a Star Trek fan per se, but I
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: love the plausible hard science, science fictions that, where they
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: throw out the what if, you know, however they need
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: to set that up, are more intriguing to me. Not
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: based on the science fiction, the technology, or, you know,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: the action that's going to come from it, but philosophically,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: how are we, as societally, going to deal with it,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: and more specifically, that person, the microcosm of who we
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: are as humans, how are they, that one person, going
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: to deal with it?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: And that's what all the classic, I mean, you mentioned
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: Star Trek. That is what, you know, I mean, Star
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: Trek had, you know, cheap effects.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: Right. You can question whatever acting you want with Shaq.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: Right, right.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, the core of what was so good
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: about it was the writing and the fact that it
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: did pose these huge questions.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Philosophical questions, sure.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: Then the rest of the episode, they really are sort
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: of addressing that more so than just fighting the green monster,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: which is a Goron, as we brought up before. But
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: the other one I was thinking is like a Twilight Zone.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: It very, I mean, even more impressively really was the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: writing on those that sets up a very normal circumstance
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: and then throws this monkey wrench in and goes, okay, now.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: How do you deal with that?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: How do you, the viewer, feel about that?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: And then how does this character or the little piece
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: of society that we've got here How do they react
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: to what we've just messed up? It does pose these
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: big questions. And this one, it does to some degree,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: but at the same time, I think it's so rooted
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: in the human element, the basic performance angle that I think,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: once again, I think that overshadows even the grand sci-fi
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: element that comes into play.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: It is nice to have because it does set up
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: that immediate, we have to face this problem now because
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: this is happening to everyone. And, um, obviously there are
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: some major plot points that happen because of that. The
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: end of the story wouldn't happen. The climax of the
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: story wouldn't happen if it weren't for the science fiction ad.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: Truthfully, neither would the beginning, the more I thought about it.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, you kind of do need it to book
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: in the entire thing, really. I almost don't even want
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: to go into that beginning part because that's so well done.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: Just that once you get into that set up, It's
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: so well done, and so, I mean, you feel it coming,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: and it still is, it's so hard to watch.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know it's there, and it's that impending
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: doom of, oh, God. And, yeah, so, I mean, I
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: almost want to leave that alone and let you just
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: sort of experience that.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: The thing, though, that still needs to be said about
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: this more than anything, and you've already gone into that,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: is the relationship between the two.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: Again, I've already even mentioned earlier, I, I'm not one
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: for romance kind of, um, movie necessarily, but, and I
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: don't know if you necessarily call this romance as more,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: more of a relationship.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: It's a relationship definitely, but it, It's sort of eventually
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: trying to be heading down the road of romance, maybe.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: And maybe saying romance might have just fucked it up
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: a little bit too much.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: Well, no, but it probably turns off a certain amount
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: of people, too. There's, oh, romance crap. And I'm like, no,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: this starts off in a very bad place.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: And it also kind of enters into a weird element
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: in the middle where it's just, a very strange relationships.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, it, it's not at all a romance by,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: by traditional means at all. It eventually, because it's dealing
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: with the relationship between these two characters that can come
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: into play as it usually does.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, hell, that's just the real world, but.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it, to me is that will probably, you know,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: turn some people off. So don't go thinking that that's
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: what this is about because it's really, it's a hell
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: of a lot deeper than that. First and foremost, it's just,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: smarter and plotted out a lot better than anything that
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: would fall into that category most.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: Of the time. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: but it's almost as disturbing of a relationship as you'd
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: have a Harold and Maude kind of thing. This isn't
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: right somehow, but at the same time, it's okay. We're
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: okay with it, but this isn't.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: It almost ties into the last movie we were talking
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: about where you enter that there's a lie. Now, this
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: is a small one compared to the other way, or
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: it's not near as disturbing, but then it gets you,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: it starts painting you in that corner. And the deeper
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: that the character gets into this situation, it starts to
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: take that same level of, Oh God, now I'm so
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: far in, I can't, fix things without destroying everything.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: Eventually, the revelation is a bigger lie.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, it really is earth-shattering to this person. Yeah.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: Because it's based in reality.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: The other lie is just a flat-out lie.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: Right. And by the end of it, it's the horribleness
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: that makes it so bad.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: Where this is a lie to cover up something horrible
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: that really happened.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: That the person probably should have known about.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, it's... I mean, I guess along those lines,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: just to go into the relationship or again, not even
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: to go into a lot of details, just the more
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: of the praise end of it, which first and foremost
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: is Britt Marling is her name.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: When they started making this, she wasn't even in the
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: Screen Actors Guild. She'd made like one other independent movie
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: and that was it.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: And yeah, really interesting to see where she goes because
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: she ends up, delivering this, this amazing performance in this.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: And she's also co-writer.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: On it.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: She, she wrote and that's what, again, that's what they
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: were saying she did. It's like she got out of acting,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: you know, or went to Georgetown. Was it Georgetown?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: And, and like graduated.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: And worked for Goldman Sachs or something like that. Or
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: are you not going into that?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: No, I was just trying to think. Wasn't she the valedictorian?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: Valedictorian, yeah.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she graduated valedictorian and then, yeah, had left to
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: go work at Goldman Sachs and then came back and decided, oh,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: I don't want to, you know, wait to get cast
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: in a movie.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: So not only wrote one, wrote two movies and then went.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: Off to find these two different guys and got them
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: to direct these movies that she'd written and then is
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: in both of them and delivers, at least in this one, this, like,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: powerhouse performance.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 9: She.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: She instantly went to near the top of my list
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: of people that I want to watch in a movie.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: I will seek out and watch whatever she's in. I'll
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: give her a free five-movie run. She could go do
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: Twilight now, and I'd still go see it. That's how
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: good she is.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: Here's the most impressive thing, as far as I'm concerned,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: is she... it's never over the top. It's always this reserved.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: In fact, it's, it's very, very low key. That first
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: half of the movie, it's the way that she underplays everything.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: And the way that she plays her uncomfortableness being around
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: people and, and how much she wants to kind of
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: distance herself from people that makes it so impressive. And
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: then once she starts interacting with someone, there's this other
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: part of her that kind of opens up and, and
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: you see, you know, Again, what an amazing actress she
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: can be in a more normal setting, but it still
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: is never over the top. It's not one of those, oh,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: you know, here's the Oscar clip, here it comes. You
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: never really get this over the top emotional thing. It's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: all very real and very, you know, just this human
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: characteristics that she just really taps into this character perfectly.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, very subtle, very real. That's the only way I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: can put it. It's very real. You don't ever feel
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: like she's acting. You don't ever feel like anything's a
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: strain or that they're trying to prove anything in any scene.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: It's just exactly the way you would think this character,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: as you're learning this character. And she really does evolve.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: She really does... You can see.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: It's this full spectrum because she sort of devolves and
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: then comes back around it and you do see her
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: evolve again. It is this really impressive and full range
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: of this one character.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: No, I can't say enough good things about her.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Again, it's Britt Marling.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 17: Yes.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Go look for her.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: You're going to hear from her.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 9: We already.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: heard them discussing.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: She already got picked up by like the biggest agency
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: in the world.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: Like after making these like two little indie movies that
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: at this point nobody's seen yet, they already saw her
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: and picked her up and she's like making like huge
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: studio stuff, which again, I hope isn't a bad thing.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: I hope that, you know, she gets, you know, the,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: the money and the acclaim that she wants going into acting.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, I hope they continue to
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: give her impressive projects like this.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: Um, the other half of this relationship is William Maypother
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: and bring something really different. I think I've, I've seen
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: him in a handful of things. I haven't seen him
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: in a ton, but what I've seen him in, this
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: is very different. This is a very different type of
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: character for him. And again, by the end, I'm more
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: impressed with it. Like in the beginning, I thought maybe
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: he was just going to go the way I expected
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: him to go with this type of thing. But, As
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: it pans out, it's like there's that little midsection with
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: them that he really kind of delivers and does a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: lot better job than I was afraid, you know, we
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: were going to get into. He ends up doing a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: really good job with it as well.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: He moments where he is almost childlike. Yeah. And that
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: was an interesting way to act.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: Again, I was afraid that's where it was going to
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: stop and it wasn't going to get much more than that.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: But when, you know, when their relationship starts to develop,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, he does bring a lot more to
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: it than, than I expected going in.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. No, definitely. And he, you can almost see
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: a scene by scene as the friendship or even it
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: at the beginning, there is no relationship, you know, and,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: and they've, they're spending time together, but there's no relationship.
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  Speaker 5: And it's almost, like I said at the beginning, it
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: is very childlike. And then you can see a maturing
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: of that person. And he's almost brought back to, oh,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: this is a glimpse of what he really was like before. Yeah.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: And that's subtle as well, those changes. And I think
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: he did. They timed that right. They paced that right.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: He did a good job with that. I kind of
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: was like you. I was like, okay, we're going to get.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: X performance, and it's going to go throughout.
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  Speaker 4: I was happy to see it take a different turn.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Both their performances go in a really impressive way.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: This was a really small production, the number of people,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: and you can definitely see that everybody had a hand
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: in a very personal film. They really spent a lot
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: of time putting themselves into it and making themselves fit
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: into it. And it pays off. Like I said, you
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: could take the sci-fi element out of it, which is fascinating,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: and it would still be extremely strong. An extremely strong movie.
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  Speaker 4: Really, I'm thinking so much of this could be like
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: a stage play. Like you could almost do... a lot
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  Speaker 4: of it as just a two character performance.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a, right.
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  Speaker 4: There's other scenes that you would have to work around,
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  Speaker 4: but I mean, there's so much of it that is
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: just this, this setting and these two characters and how
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: much is, is built around their relationship and their interaction
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: with each other that, yeah, it's something that it, yeah,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: that it's just.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: All about that relationship.
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  Speaker 4: Um, I guess the other star, the unseen star, uh,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: the director, uh, it's Mike Cahill, uh, And again, this
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: is a first time director. He had not done a
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: feature film at all and does a really good job.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: I think it's, it's what he does is creative, but
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: it's never like flashy. I mean, it's, it's always kind
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: of interesting and, and you can tell that he's putting
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: time and has a vision that he's going for, but
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: at the same time, it's not really over the top.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: It's not hitting you over the head with it.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: It's just like an impressive visual style that, again, for
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: a guy on his first movie, it's, it's impressive to
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: see that he's already kind of got a handle on
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: that and, and will be interesting to see where he
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: goes from here.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: No, it, it, the hues that they built in, do
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: you know, do you notice that, um, bluish hue, especially
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: in the outdoors?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: That, and I, I guess that comes with, you know,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: the other planet maybe coming in. I don't, I don't
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: know where I'm going with it, but it, it, it,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: it is carried throughout and, um, But you see when
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: there's a cleaning and reconstruction of a house throughout the movie.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: And at the beginning, the movie's a little bit more grainy,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: a little bit more choppy, a little bit.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: It has that hue. And as it progresses, it's brighter,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: it's yellower, it's... cleaner the house is getting better our
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: lives are getting.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: Better visuals lighten up in the way that the characters
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: start to and at least in a certain portion of
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: it anyway you do get that visual representation of what's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: going on in definitely his life but also in both
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: of theirs, because it, what, what's going on in his
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: life is affecting her as well.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And it's, it's his home. And even the eyes that
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: we see everything through are almost all going through the
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: same transformation that even these characters are. And that's, Again,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: a first-time filmmaker, that's just good. You know, that's a practiced.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: Student of film, if nothing else, that he would have... Because,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, early on, you wouldn't even think about it.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: You're just, here's the story, and I want to shoot this,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: and I want to shoot this. But to have that
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: much planning ahead of time, that early on in your career,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: is pretty impressive.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: And especially for such a small budget.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say, though. I mean,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: they were talking about, you know, William Mayfather was there
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: talking about just what... a fraction of what this was
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: compared to the other movies that even were at Sundance,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: which are massively independent, small-budget movies. But the thing that
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: I was going to say is it doesn't look it.
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  Speaker 5: Not at all.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: You can tell. I mean, it's a small cast. It
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: was a small crew working on it.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: But when you look at the film, to me, it
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: does not feel like a super cheap movie. I mean,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: it's an indie movie, but it could very easily, you
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: could throw it out there with all these other indie
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: movies and not tell people that. And I don't think
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: they would know the difference because I think it's quality
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: wise and visual representation of everything is easily on par
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: with everything else.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: It's clean and polished film. Well shot. Well edited. I
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: think extremely well edited. Yeah, definitely. Well acted, and they
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: made it on a shoestring, a fraction of a shoestring.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he tells the.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: Almost, almost obscenely cheap. So, I think they were probably
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: paying for it themselves, probably. Could be, the way it
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: sounded like. The way it sounds like. So, obviously they
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: couldn't reveal that. But yeah, it was exceptionally well polished
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: for something that was, again, so cheap and first-time actors,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: first-time directors on a lot of it. Yeah, I can't
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: say enough about it. It does not feel that way
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: at all.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, should we leave it at that with
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: that one too? I don't... I mean, the wrap-up is.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: Again, ties back into it and is interesting, but... So
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: much of it is the mid-portion of that movie, and
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: so much of it is that relationship that you would
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: end up spoiling the end of it, and at the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: same time, I don't think you would even get that
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: much out of it.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: No, I don't want anybody knowing very much about this.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: It's too good, and I don't want to spoil something
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: But again, that is The Lie and Another Earth are
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: both of the ones we saw tonight at Flyover Film Fest,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: and definitely go.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Check both of them out, but yeah, the, another earth
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: is amazing. Go watch it.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: It's both of them are worth seeing. Another earth is
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: a must see as far as I'm concerned. It was
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: pretty impressive.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, that's, uh, that's most of what we're, we're
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: going to leave this with.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: I think, uh, I was trying to think of stuff
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: to throw out there for you guys in upcoming episodes,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: but there's so much again, this, this came in and
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: shifted things and, we've got a few we're working on.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: I threw a movie out last week.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: We're going to try to do, if we ever all
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: sit down in the same place at the same time,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: that's an uphill battle right there. Um, I've been forever
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: talking to, uh, Rick about doing another Bigfoot episode. So
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: we're possibly going to get one of those in, in
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: the future. I won't pin it down as the wind.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: Cause you know how his schedule doesn't make it any
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: easier working that in. So, but that's another potential one
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: coming up and, um, we're not too far away from
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: another road trip. So, We'll see where that goes. I
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: guess that's about it. If nothing else, we do want
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: to say thank you to everybody at Flyover Film Fest.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: They did a great job.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: They put on a really good show. Again, it is flyoverfilmfest.com.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: It's definitely a website to bookmark and go back to
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: for next year when it comes around. Or if you're
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: a filmmaker, go back and see how you can submit
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: for upcoming years. It's a really impressive festival. It It
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: does pull in a lot of the same caliber of
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: stuff that's ending up at Sundance. And for a much
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: smaller festival, that's saying a lot. Because you see a
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: lot of film festivals out there and a lot of
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: them get just whatever gets sent to them. You see
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: a lot of stuff at these where they sort of
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: are really hardcore about what they want to put in theirs.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: And they bring in kind of the top tier of
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: independent film out there and stuff that's sort of... bringing
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: in stuff that you don't always see. It is maybe
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: people that are in this mid-portion of the country that
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: don't get a ton of work, you know, don't get
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: a ton of attention, definitely, in New York and L.A.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of interesting because I think it also
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: opens up new avenues.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: That maybe nobody's paid attention to before.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: You might find a new actor like some of these
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: or a new director that might have gotten overlooked at
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: a huge film festival that, you know, has... couple hundred
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: movies and has all these big names there that are
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: overshadowing them I think these you know they bring in
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: the better films and they also bring in new people
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: that they kind of need to get the attention that
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: they might not be getting at other film fests so
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: it's definitely worth checking out if you are in the
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: area can make your way there it is Flyover Film
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: Fest anything else you want to pass along Greg?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: No thanks for listening.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Alright that about does it we will return next week
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