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Ep #236 – Trauma & Transformational Research · Our Community, Our Mission

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  Speaker 1: Father, you're good to us.
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  Speaker 1: God, we're just so thankful for this time.
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  Speaker 1: God, we're thankful for the listeners, god, we're just thankful for what you're doing, the partnerships you've built, just the ability to learn more about your people, god, and to be able to share that with those so that they might understand better.
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  Speaker 1: God, I pray that those that are listening just keep their mind and their hearts on you.
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  Speaker 1: It's in Jesus' name we pray, amen.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everybody.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to Our Community, our mission of podcast of the Topeka Rescue Mission here on Wednesday, august 21st 2024.
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  Speaker 2: It's episode number 236.
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  Speaker 2: Josh Turley welcome back again.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, hello, you and I are kind of batching this thing.
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  Speaker 2: I know the Josh and Barry show.
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  Speaker 3: I think we're taking it over.
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  Speaker 3: It's ours now.
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  Speaker 3: We're taking it over.
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  Speaker 3: It's ours now.
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  Speaker 3: We're taking it over when?
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  Speaker 2: are the other two ladies.
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  Speaker 2: They're out doing stuff like housing conferences and those kind of things.
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  Speaker 2: I guess so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you get the.
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  Speaker 2: D string.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Josh is Director of Strategic Development here at Topeka Rescue Mission we heard Isaiah pray before.
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  Speaker 2: He kind of took over the technical aspects of the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: You bet, 236 times ago is when you kicked this thing off with equipment and we've been going ever since.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's global now right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's global.
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  Speaker 3: You're still working on the like.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about the moon station up there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the International Space Station first.
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  Speaker 2: You know kind of get between here and there, yep, yep.
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  Speaker 3: Get some space traffic, but we'll get there.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So we have two people who've been on the podcast before.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about them and what they do and a very special trip that they just recently went on and the value of that.
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  Speaker 2: But before we do that, we have to go to the research and development department that is underneath your jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 2: It comes up with these incredibly important things about the importance of the date.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are, on August the 21st and it's, I know, the only one in the room that celebrates this but national senior citizen day.
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  Speaker 2: Senior citizen day Um, it's, um, uh.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have an elderly person in your life that you love and appreciate?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, barry, we love you that was coming.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad LaManna's not here.
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  Speaker 2: I wish Miriam was here so she could celebrate with me.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be nice.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll be nice.
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  Speaker 3: What are you doing to celebrate, though?
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  Speaker 2: Didn't know it was National Senior Citizen Day until I looked at this.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to say good to see you all.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see you later.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go take a day off, take a nap there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, you'd think I'd have been around before that.
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  Speaker 2: I guess he was probably feeling it himself by that time.
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  Speaker 3: I would imagine.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a tough job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, quality of life for senior citizens, I think.
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  Speaker 2: And people are living a lot longer today.
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  Speaker 2: They are yeah, at least I'm counting on it Modern medicine, it's pretty incredible.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It is I'm kind of taking it easy national.
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  Speaker 2: What, josh?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Spumoni?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, what is that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, italian ice cream?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, it's Spumoni, spumoni.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, spumoni.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not Spumoni, it's Spumoni.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, like when you hear somebody say croissant and they're like it's croissant, croissant, it's croissant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Spumoni Day, it's an ice cream.
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  Speaker 2: It's Italian ice cream with fruits and nuts in it.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: You don't get that at Dairy Queen, do you?
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  Speaker 2: No, you don't Try to ask them for that.
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  Speaker 3: I'll stay with a blizzard.
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  Speaker 3: It's a spumone.
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  Speaker 2: Would you like a blizzard, or what?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, we could go into all the details about that.
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  Speaker 2: Generally it's got chocolate mixed in with it, the fruits and nuts, and yeah, it's kind of an exciting thing if you get bored with vanilla.
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  Speaker 2: So the other thing and we're going to be talking about some things related to brain and trauma this is pretty important Internet self-care day.
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  Speaker 2: Does that mean like, take care of your internet and make sure that you know you're?
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  Speaker 3: You know when I first read Gigabytes or something, Maybe you know when I first read that though I thought, just take a day off from the internet, like that's kind of what I think of.
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  Speaker 3: How is that possible?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't think you can do that.
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  Speaker 3: You know with how much we use Google and everything, but maybe true self-care is getting away from the internet.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it says that it's a holiday, a national holiday.
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  Speaker 2: I have not heard that recognized yet.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like they're Christmas, thanksgiving, you know 4th of July, those kinds of things, but maybe one of these days that everybody will just take the day off Probably we will when the internet goes down.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, everybody take the day off, because we won't be able to do anything.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like there'd be like mass panic if the internet just went down.
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  Speaker 2: Well, actually, things would not work well.
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  Speaker 2: Right, we're kind of connected, so care for your internet today, because you do not want it to go away, no, but also care for yourself that you don't overdo it.
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  Speaker 5: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, those are our kind of fun facts of this day, on August, the 21st.
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  Speaker 2: Today we have returning back to us again Courtney Barr, who's Deputy Director of Transformational Services, topeka Rescue Mission.
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  Speaker 2: Cody Bloom, who is the Director of Trauma Education and Development, which we have been referring to as TED before.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome, ladies.
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  Speaker 2: Hi so we kind of touched on something here the last time you were on talking about trauma education and what are transformational services.
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  Speaker 2: It was a podcast a month ago or so maybe, but we also touched on the fact that you guys were going to be going on a trip to Seattle so that you could see orcas and that kind of stuff, right, right, yeah, you wish, but you didn't even get to see a seal.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, before we do that, talk about what transformational services is.
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  Speaker 2: So, in case people did not hear the last one, and also what TED is.
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  Speaker 2: So, courtney, you're a deputy director at Topeka Rescue Mission, so you have some other hats as well.
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  Speaker 2: So talk about transformational services, what you do in the deputy arena.
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  Speaker 5: So transformational services is comprised of a lot of things, but a lot of just programming options, and so, whether that's from our trauma education programming that's available for guests, or whether that's to life skills programming or career readiness programming, children's programming, all of it connects back to transformation, though, of seeing the person individually and helping them transform to the next thing, whatever that next thing is for that individual.
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  Speaker 2: So people coming into services to the rescue mission are on a journey.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And you're here with your department and everybody that works in that department to help them with their journey for moving from homelessness and the different things that are affected by that, to be able to move on to something successful.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, transformational.
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  Speaker 2: Don't want to leave people right where they are, otherwise they stay homeless the rest of their lives and some other issues that are connected with that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, courtney, one time you were over the trauma education arena and then we got this other fantastic lady that came in, who actually came to us during this fun thing called COVID.
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  Speaker 6: Really fun.
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  Speaker 2: Really fun time, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Great way to get involved in the rescue mission.
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  Speaker 2: We're glad that COVID actually diverted you away, I think, from going to Colorado, was it you were headed to and then so you couldn't do that, so you came here out of Worshburn and Christian Challenge, and so Cody Bloom, who is director of TED Now, that works in the transformational area.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about TED briefly and what it's about.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so TED.
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  Speaker 6: I appreciate you using our nickname by the way, ted rolls off the tongue more easily than Trauma.
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  Speaker 6: Education and Development.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I use it.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: National Senior Day.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Keep it brief.
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  Speaker 2: Never know how long you're going to be around.
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  Speaker 6: Whatever you need.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, ted, trauma Education and Development.
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  Speaker 6: We do several different functions throughout the ministry.
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  Speaker 6: It's serving both staff and guests and, more recently, volunteers.
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  Speaker 6: We've done some more volunteer trainings.
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  Speaker 6: But trauma education is really, really important, courtney, and I always say, like this side of heaven, it's hard to not experience some form of trauma.
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  Speaker 6: We all walk through different difficulties, and especially this population that we're serving.
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  Speaker 6: There is a lot of trauma that can go into play, and trauma can look like difficulties in childhood, it can look like difficulties young adults getting into relationships, it can look like job loss, it can look like injury, a lot of different things.
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  Speaker 6: And so, as our guests are coming to us, something that Courtney and I just had a heart for is to be able to educate them first on what trauma is, but then also some really practical healing steps forward.
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  Speaker 6: And so, within our guest programming, I teach classes to our female and male guests on Thursdays every week, and so that is teaching them the principles of where trauma comes from, how our brains are impacted by it, how our relationships are impacted by it, and then education of steps forward, and then also some staff education.
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  Speaker 6: All of our new hires receive eight hours of trauma education, learning themselves about what is trauma, where does it come from, how does it impact our people and what does that look like as we are serving?
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  Speaker 2: Some people may ask the question.
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  Speaker 2: You know it's important to probably equip your staff for what trauma looks like and different behaviors and so forth, but what about the guests?
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  Speaker 2: I mean these are individuals that you know being homeless is traumatic let alone all the things that made homelessness happen, and so what's the value to tell them what they maybe already know?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so the value that I've seen time and time again is that, like you said, it's things that they likely already know.
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  Speaker 6: They know better than anybody the experiences and the hardships that they've walked through.
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  Speaker 6: I think the value that trauma education in this way has, though, is bringing language to it.
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  Speaker 6: I've seen so many people say I just thought this was normal, I thought it was okay to begin harmful relationships, I thought that this was just what everybody went through.
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  Speaker 6: I thought that I had to, or I deserved or something with these experiences, and so giving language to it, helping people understand maybe I'm not alone in this Like, maybe there is a better way.
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  Speaker 6: There is so much value in that, and I think, especially if we're wanting to see long-term transformation and restoration for the people that we're serving, we can't just do surface level.
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  Speaker 6: Surface level is needed in order to help people survive, but if we want to see people thriving, we have to go beneath the surface.
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  Speaker 2: I think one way that I kind of look at it is, if I hurt, I try to figure out why I hurt and get over it.
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  Speaker 2: But if I hurt too much I have to go to a doctor and say why am I hurting?
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  Speaker 2: And the doctor has some tools to help me to understand some things.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe you need to quit doing break dancing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean really it's just not good for you anymore, so that's why you're hurting.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe you need to, you know, quit doing breakdancing.
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  Speaker 2: You know very.
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  Speaker 2: I mean really, it's just it's not good for you anymore, so that's why you're hurting.
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  Speaker 2: So I go oh man, okay, thank you doctor, so I'll quit breakdancing.
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  Speaker 2: So, I think maybe you know it's, it's it's a little humorous in a very serious manner, but uh, trauma we don't always understand why we are feeling the way we are and and trauma and trauma is something that everybody experiences, like you said.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not just the folks coming in, it's staff members, volunteers, people in the community.
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  Speaker 2: Courtney, you were kind of on the front end of the development of this here at Topeka Rescue Mission back when you were working with Jessica Hossman who introduced TBRI, Trustased Relational Interventions, and we decided to make it a beyond children here at the ministry to all staff and our guests available.
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  Speaker 2: What have you seen from the very beginning when you came in to work with kids to where things are now in regards to the awareness, acceptance and the importance of this trauma education?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a journey, I'll say that for sure, um, and I think that on one hand, I'm like I didn't think that we would be here, right, like we have come so far from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 5: I remember, at the children's palace, we um would offer a couple of parenting classes, um, for parents that were staying at the shelter about TBRI and explaining what trauma is and how that interacted with their parenting styles.
• 11:51
  Speaker 5: But now to the point where we have staff training for everyone that goes through this training and there's continuing education, pieces of that too, so it's not just I get an eight-hour training and then that's it.
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  Speaker 5: Cody's going monthly to every single department and building upon the skills that our staff has, and then the opportunity for every guest to have their voice heard and put language to maybe their experiences that they've had, and it's just been a really beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 5: And I heard something yesterday, actually, that just stands out to me that, no matter where we have started or where we've come to and the people that we are serving, there's never a person that I'm going to meet that needs Jesus more desperately than I do, and I think that that is something that we think of.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe an at-risk population of like oh, they're like, you know, they're really struggling because they have mental illness or they have addiction or they have relationship issues or they have poverty issues, and we can categorize them separately from us.
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  Speaker 5: But when we're all looking through the lens of Jesus, we all need Jesus desperately and there's no one person that I'm ever going to cross that like, oh well, they need the Lord more than I do.
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  Speaker 5: No, I desperately need the Lord and they need the Lord.
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  Speaker 5: And then how can we partner together to bring hope and healing?
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  Speaker 2: So how does this trauma awareness education intersect with religion?
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  Speaker 5: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 5: Some people would say it doesn't at all and some people will say it does.
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  Speaker 5: I believe that there is amazing principles out there, that you can understand your brain and your body and how it reacts to different experiences, and there's some really great things.
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  Speaker 5: There's cognitive behavioral therapy that you can do to help bring some healing and restoration, but to have full healing and restoration, I believe that that's only through the Lord, and so us teaching guests or staff about trauma and healing, that's only the first step, like there's so much more to share with them.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's been a big shift in regards to evangelical, Bible-believing churches whatever you want to call them over the years, in regards to acceptance of it's okay to address trauma, it's okay to address addiction, the mental illness and so forth, Because there's been some historical kind of repelling away from that.
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  Speaker 2: That's secular, that's not, that can't be of God.
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  Speaker 2: So let's just lean on God and everything's going to be fine, Leaning on God's important right.
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  Speaker 2: But what we've discovered is that God also utilizes these other things.
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  Speaker 2: It gave us a brain to use to figure out some things and then the combination between the two.
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  Speaker 2: So we're seeing the church and that's a broad sense being more accepting of this, but also identifying their need.
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  Speaker 2: So people who have a relationship with the creator of the universe also experience things that we all experience.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Josh, I'm going to go back to you real quick.
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  Speaker 2: We, um, as director of strategic development, you're um in charge of uh, developing communication platforms for Topeka rescue mission, and so, um, do you still hear a lot of people saying, oh, we thought all they did was shelter and feed people, or do you hear now that people are getting a better understanding of the broadness of services at Topeka Rescue Mission, this just being one?
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: I think, having done this position a little while now or not maybe this one, but communications overall for a while now is there's always people who maybe don't know the whole picture of what all we're doing, Not even sure we do.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Sometimes Some people come on staff and they're like I didn't know you guys did all this.
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  Speaker 3: Um.
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  Speaker 3: So I think, the more we can communicate what we're doing here through all of our avenues, through our you know, our newsletter I know that's coming up with you guys Um, you know the podcast, you know social media, all that we can do to to push that out in front of people, there's still, no matter how much we do that, there's still always going to be people who'd be like.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know, you guys did that.
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  Speaker 3: So not to say you know anything bad, but I think there's always, you know, pieces of media that get missed or something.
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  Speaker 3: So it's you know.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot of folks who, like you, say a new staff member or post a week, you know people are still going to miss it.
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  Speaker 3: So but, yeah it's something we try to keep in front of people.
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  Speaker 2: So, cody and Courtney, you're obviously heavily invested in this.
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  Speaker 2: You've done a lot of research.
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  Speaker 2: You both are certified practitioners with the TBRI program, taking it through the ministry, taking it out in the community.
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  Speaker 2: I'm taking it through the ministry, taking it out in the community.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I know one of the changes that we are hearing in regards to when we talk about chronic homelessness, we're adding a new term into that, beyond mental illness and addiction, to call compound trauma, recognizing that maybe is a whole separate issue or combined with some of the others as well, in addition to their homelessness.
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  Speaker 2: So, as you have invested here and invested in the arena of people who suffer without a place to be, talk to us about what was the genesis or the beginning of a connection with Washburn University, as well as a trip to Seattle here the other day.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so in 2022, cody and I conducted a research study internally here looking at adverse childhood experiences of people experiencing homelessness and then the correlating factors from that, whether that's mental health or physical health, et cetera.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: And so from that internal study that we did, we pulled all our findings and data together and were able to see that from there was an original study done in the 90s by Kaiser Permanente and that study they use the ACE marker of four or more as a greater propensity for experiencing mental health illness or physical health illness, and their population from that original study in the 90s was 13%, had an A score of four or more.
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  Speaker 5: So we wanted-.
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  Speaker 2: Out of how many.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Out of 10 markers or so.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, total of 10.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so if you had four, if you scored four or more, then there was a greater propensity for what?
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Having mental health challenges, physical of 10.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, so if you had four, if you scored four or more, then there was a greater propensity for what Having mental health challenges, physical health challenges and so we saw later on in life saw a greater propensity for those things, and so we wanted to compare to our population, because the original population was college educated, had health insurance, and so it wasn't necessarily the same demographics that we were looking at of a population experiencing homelessness, and so in that study in 2022, we found that 62% of our individuals here had an ACE score of four or more, and that is a 496% increase, and so, from that, correlating to the mental illness was something that we were focusing heavily on, and we looked at national statistics from NAMI in comparison to these reported mental illnesses from these individuals.
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  Speaker 2: National Alliance for the Mentally Ill yes, correct.
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  Speaker 5: And so for depression, our population is eight times more likely to experience depression, they are 10 times more likely to experience bipolar disorder and they are 44 times more likely to experience schizophrenia.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: And so from all of that, we're like there's no way we can just sit on this data and not share.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you put those numbers back and you surveyed people who were in shelter and out of shelter but all homeless, so the people on the streets, people within the Topeka Rescue Mission, so you get this literally 500% difference from the general population.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: When you saw those numbers, what were you thinking?
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I know, when I first saw them, I'm going oh my gosh, this is huge.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: I think, just like what I was saying with the classes, it's like giving language to something that our people already know.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: I think that going into it we knew that the numbers were going to look different Like Courtney said, the populations surveyed in the original study versus ours very different and so we knew that the numbers were going to look different and likely reflect the mental illness and physical illnesses that we were seeing of those that were serving.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: But I don't think that we were prepared for the huge increase, the huge difference in the likeliness for those illnesses that we were going to see.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: It was really sad, really kind of seeing those numbers made it real and it was very real before seeing individuals' experiences, but seeing all the numbers put together, I think it was a shock.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So what initial conclusions did you come to?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Obviously, yeah, it makes sense.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: People experiencing homelessness, mental illness, those kind of things Makes some sense that there would be some things that happened in childhood that were unhealthy.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: But what kind of other conclusions maybe jumped out of this?
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  Speaker 2: I know there's going to be more discussion about you know your trip to.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: But what was the original thought about?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Not only the shock of the numbers, but what else came to your mind?
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  Speaker 6: So I think one of the things that was really driving us doing this research in the first place was this concept of going upstream, figuring out why we're seeing the mental and physical illness that we are in the homeless population, why we're seeing individuals experiencing homelessness, literally not having a home to call their own.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Like why are we seeing that?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: When you say upstream, what do you?
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: mean so upstream is figuring out like this mental illness, this physical illness, this homelessness didn't just happen after one occurrence of something.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: It didn't happen overnight.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: There were causes likely at play for years leading up to what we see now During childhood, yes and so the going upstream is.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: it's a lot of different things.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: It's having the conversations with people, figuring out what type of experiences did you have that maybe led to this and maybe find some practical, practical healing in that and advocate for more family and parenting education, more resources for those parents and children, so that we can hopefully prevent ACEs.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: There's always going to be hurt and harm.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: That happens because this is a fallen and broken world, so we can't 100% prevent bad things from happening.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: But these are just such significant numbers and in order for us to see any sort of change in homelessness or in mental illness, these are the big hot topic things that people just want to end, want to get rid of.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: But unless we go back to the beginning of when it all started in childhood these ACEs, these traumas that happened early on then we're not going to see a change.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: We just aren't.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: So it's almost kind of like a can of worms opened up, because now we have a diagnosis, some degree that there's this trauma, here's some cause and effect of what happened.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: But now why?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: What could we have done?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Is it too late?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: What can we do to prevent it?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: The whole country has been knocked back on its heels in regards to the impact and increase of chronic homelessness in the United.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: States.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And smart people don't know why.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: We'll blame it on a lack of affordable housing.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: True.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: We'll blame it on a fact of we closed down mental health institutions True.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: We'll blame it on the economy True, and the list goes on and on and on.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But we really hadn't taken a look I don't think at this level about what happens when you're a kid.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: That could affect something later on.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: That would be a significant contributing factor to you experiencing what people experience in homelessness today.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: That just seems to me like that's really important information.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: So you guys thought so, and so you could have sat on it and we could have sat around.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Man, we really found something really cool.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Let's just keep it to ourselves.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: But what happened then?
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so we wanted to.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: I think also it gave us this further drive to do something with it, right To make a difference in the lives of the people that we're serving, but then also make a difference in our community and then prayerfully upstream, of make a difference in the lives of children experiencing hardships right now.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: And, like you said, if it's happening in childhood and there's brain development looks different for that child, then they're grown adult now and they have a trauma brain from childhood and then they're just living life to the best of their ability.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: And so we connected with Washburn University and the psychology department there, and so we've been working with Julie Boydston, who was a professor at Washburn University, and she connected us with Jeff Downs, who is one of her master's students, and he was very intrigued by the information and jumped on it and said absolutely and made a thesis out of all of this.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: And one of the things that I think I love the most about our partnership with them is that it's not just a project, it isn't just something like, ok, yeah, I need data, I need research for my thesis because it's just a part of my curriculum, but there is a true passion for people.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: There's a true passion for people experiencing homelessness and then a true passion for a greater understanding, because both Julie and Jeff both will ask more questions and want a deeper understanding of people that have these experiences, and I think that that's something that maybe isn't in all partnerships, right, and I think that that's something that makes it really special.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they got ahold of it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: A thesis was written, and then what happens?
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: and then jeff applied to the american psychological association, which is apa and the it's kind of running up the beanpole, pretty right it's a national conference and so it's a big deal.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: So he also applied to the midwest conference in chicago, right, so we still had our, we had a plan b, we had a plan, we had our backup plan.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: But both of us were really praying like Lord, like if it's possible, like we want to go to this national level, and we were able to.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: And so Jeff was accepted and he was able to do a poster board session in Seattle and we were able to join him and see the work be put on display and have conversations with people and it was really cool.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really cool.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: So Josh is kind of like these folks that were messing around in the lab, you know, and they discovered not care for cancer or something you know, and then they give it to somebody who had connections.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: So, seattle, talk about that experience.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: In Seattle you went to this thing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: There was a presentation made.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But American Psychological Association, what's that a for?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: What do they do?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Is that a?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, explain that for people that just don't know, like me.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: You know, I think you know.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I worked in psychology before coming to the rescue mission.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I knew all the DSMs and all those kind of things.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: But what is it today?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: What's the importance of you being at that meeting?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Not only for the thesis, not only for the study here, but for the country in the area of health?
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: So something that I think was really cool being a part of that conference One um felt very out of place in some ways because everybody was like PhDs or master's students in the field of psychology, and not necessarily in a bad way, but it was.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: It was cool to be in that space, to know that we got to be a part of something that was um going to be a point of conversation.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: You didn't get to be a part of it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: You started it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I mean let's go over where it's at.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I mean you guys came up with the idea right and you put it to practice.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: You got the results.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: You took it to the right sources to be able to analyze those results with a lot of questions, as you had mentioned, and they said there's some validity to this thing.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you got to be a big part of it, okay.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: So we were a big part.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: You're the guys that ran over it first.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but it was.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: It was really cool to be in the space with all of these psychology professionals.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: I think maybe it was in the one of their like big presentations where everybody was gathered together.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: Their president was talking about the importance of having all of these minds together, because they were truly focused on change as well.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: They, um, largely didn't have the goal.
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: There were lots of presentations and talks that happened, but they didn't have the goal of bringing their research and that being the end.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: They were having conversations, there were panels, there were questions of, okay, if, if they were the researchers, um, then what were they doing with the research?
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: And so it was cool to be a part of that and know that our research got to be a part of that conversation.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: So where does it go from here?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, some smart people with all these alphabets behind their name got a chance to see what someday may be known as Barnbloom.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: You know founders of this concept, right, you know, 100 years from now it'll be this thing in some history book or whatever, but you never know.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: So they got this.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Where they go, oh yeah, it's another thing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Or was it like?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: What'd you get back from it?
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: From you're asking from Seattle specifically.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: I think that there was a lot of good conversations that happened with people passing by and asking questions, and there was one conversation that I had with a student.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: She was going into her master's program and was needing a thesis as well, and she was passionate about researching people experiencing homelessness as well and had spent time volunteering in a shelter for a couple of years and she was just asking really thoughtful questions.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: She's just like there's so much more that could be done and so just being able to connect with her of how to approach different shelters if she's wanting to research that population and best practices and things like that, and so I think that that's one great first step with this research.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: But then also the research has gone to the International Review Board and so the IRB will be able to publish the work, which is a huge piece of where we go next.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: That's kind of our stamp of approval to move forward and advocate on a larger level.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, break that down.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: It gets published in a national publication in regards to psychology.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, people read it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Good, put it on the coffee table, there we go.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: What does it mean?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: What could it mean?
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: It could mean that these guys are just so humble.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: I mean really, it's a big deal.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: It's a big deal.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It's a big deal.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you All.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Right, we're going to title this big deal this is a big deal.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it could mean a lot of things.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: My heart's desire, it would be that it would present the statistics with validity for people to listen Right.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: The statistics with validity for people to listen right, because these statistics come from individuals who may not have a voice or people who overlook their voices when, like, if you go talk to any individual like, they'll tell you that the system is broken, that they are a product of a broken system.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: And most people don't want to be homeless, most people don't want to suffer from mental illness, most people don't want to remain addicts, but if you are stuck in a cycle and you cannot get out of it, then someone has to voice something for you.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: And so my heart's desire is that this would this IRB, would be the stamp of approval, and we can go to different governing bodies and say, hey, like we have to take a look at this.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: There is a difference between the general population to a population experiencing homelessness, and there is a direct correlation to adverse childhood experiences resulting in non-favorable outcomes.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: And so if we want to see better, then we're going to have to do different.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: We can't just continue and expect different results.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: that's the definition of insanity right and so that would be my heart's desire is that people would take it seriously, and then they don't have to.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: They don't have the choice to be like, oh well, like this isn't actually like real, or like this is just, you know, a study that TRM did.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: No, this is a study that has been gone through the International Review Board.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: It has been presented at a national level and our people deserve to be heard.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: One of the things that we're doing in different communities, including this one, is we're going to try to figure a way to put an end to chronic homelessness.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Including this one is we're going to try to figure a way to put an end to chronic homelessness, and so that's good if you find all the homeless and you get all the services for them and get the housing for them, and then you can end it if that's the only homeless that you have.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the pipeline keeps filling up more and more and more.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Not that trauma effects are the only thing that produces homelessness.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: There are a really fast-growing rate of individuals who are seniors that worked all their lives, who can't afford to live in their homes anymore due to cost of living, and so, however, if we don't go upstream, as you had mentioned, cody, that we are going to continue to have more coming downstream, and at some point we're going to have to say, as the old parable goes, or the old story goes, is we're going to go upstream and see why, and what you all have done you all, both of you, with some partners now have done is you have found a significant cause of why we're seeing the downstream.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And so then, when we recognize cause, then we have to ask ourselves are we going to do something about it or not?
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: And so that's where it really gets complicated.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Now, what are we going to do to strengthen the opportunities for children to be raised in healthy homes?
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: That's going to be the thing and, as you both said, trauma is going to happen.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Things are going to happen.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: It's a broken world.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: There's not going to be any perfect home.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: There's not going to be any perfect home.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: There's not going to be a perfect childhood.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Childhood sucks.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: It's hard, and some of us survive it and make it to this far, but there's some who really have a hard time because of multiple factors.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: And I think, as I look at this, how much do we value our children as a nation?
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: How much do we really, or do we just say we do value our children, or what are we really willing to invest?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: When we look at the challenges in our foster care system, we look at the challenges of kids really falling behind in education.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: We look at the challenges of the social media we talked about internet care and those kind of things and what is happening to minds and brains and things that are adversely affecting kids that we don't even know about today.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: That may be a whole other study at some level about what did the internet do to you when you were a kid, those kind of things.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: If we really want to end a particular travesty I think in the greatest nation in the world and have this many people that live like they're in third world countries right in our own communities, then we're going to have to get really serious about why.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: So what else do we need to know about this?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Seattle happened.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: There's a paper that may be written here, may be published.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: That will open up some further doors.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: What are your hopes now?
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Did you stumble across another great idea and just become famous, or whatever, our next conversation that has already begun with Julie Boyston, who is the professor at Washburn, is the continuation that this study wasn't just a one and done thing that there is.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: I think the word that Julie used was she's like you guys are just sitting on data, like you're just sitting on it and we just have to find it and decide.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: What is it?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: In other words, you're in the mix, right now that a lot of people don't know about.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: You know stuff.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah so help us to know stuff too, right, right.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Exactly, and so that, I think, is a next great step of one, the IRB and the approval and advocacy level for the research that has already been done, but then continuing and really defining what else do we need to know, like, what else do we have, maybe an inclination like we had previously with this research study of like, we know that there's a difference, so like, let's prove it.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: Um, is there something like that?
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Is there something that we don't know at all?
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Um, that could be unearthed through a different study?
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: And so I think that the next step is really defining what is it that we want to know and what is it that people that we're serving want to know to better help them recognized in a national publication called instigate.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Um that goes out to rescue ministries around the nation and globally.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Um, to talk about uh, not the Seattle thing so much, but what you've discovered here, and about trauma education.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about that and the value of that in networking with other people that work with the homeless.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: So the magazine just reached out and asked if be interested in helping write an article of what does trauma education look like at your shelter and just the different aspects of what we do and how we serve people, because a lot of shelters are now looking at trauma being a direct impact of people that they're serving and to better help the person and to better help their staff, we need to take a look at it, and so that was a fun opportunity to be able to just explain.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Here's what we do, here's how we do it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: It is not in any way perfect or there's still always room for improvement in everything, but we are doing what we know to the best of our ability at this time, and when we know more, we'll do more.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: And what an example it is to other rescue ministries around the nation to say you can work with your local university.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: You can work with other people.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: It's not just you over here down there in that part of the town, you know, where you're kind of out of sight, out of mind, but to really go forward and we're seeing this a lot more in homeless services of connecting with the whole community.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And so we're blessed to have Worshpurn University and the openness that we've had there, and as an alumni of Worshpurn, I'm very proud of what they've done in this and also really proud of both of you, kind of humble heroes, and I know that you just do your job and you do it well.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: You're both very smart.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: You wanted to go deeper and you did, and God is saying I'm going to use that, that humility, but also with the gifts that you've been given to be able to, I think, make us aware.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: And now it's up to us are we going to do something different about it?
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: That may one day be recognized as a very important key, to go into the deep dive of the why and see if we can do something that maybe changes the why so future generations don't have to suffer like so many are today.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: One last question I have, and then I want to see if you have anything you want to add before we close today.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: All right, so we have this explosion of homelessness.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: We have people who, um, nearly 500% greater than the general population, have experienced trauma before a scores or more adverse childhood experiences.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Is there any hope for them?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: So much yeah Um can't prevent what already happened.
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: Correct, and I think, just like trauma is going to happen, we can't necessarily stop bad things from happening.
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Lord is also beyond capable of doing more than we can ask, think or imagine.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Something that we try to emphasize in classes like I think that it's both and, and I think in the resources, like the practical resources for healing that we share in these trauma education classes I always like to encourage, like the Lord is so interwoven through all of this.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: The Lord is the one who puts together our healthy relationships and connections.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: The Lord is the one who designed our brains to be able to survive hard things and he's the one who designed our brains to be able to bounce back and build new neuro connections for healthy patterns.
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: And so it's never too late for somebody.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: Obviously, it's better to catch people early that's why we talk about going upstream, but it is never too late.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: I remember just the and I think we might have shared this months ago on a podcast but one of the first women who completed our eight-week cycle of trauma education classes.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: She was probably in her 60s and at the end of the last class she came up to us and said I really thought it was too late for me.
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: I thought that I was too far, and it was amazing to see just the recognition that she had and the awareness.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: She told us, like I know that this eight week curriculum of one hour classes with you guys did not solve um things for me, necessarily did not heal 100%, but she said I feel like I have a place to start now.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: I know how to move forward, um, and so there is so much hope, no matter how old, no matter how lost, you feel one because, um, these tools work, um, but also because the Lord is faithful and he is one so powerful and then he also loves us so much and those things together can have miracles happen for people.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's awesome.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I want to take it a little deeper.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the Lord.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Somebody listening out here today and goes I don't know what you're talking about, or I've tried that Jesus thing doesn't work for me, or I've got church hurt, or whatever the case might be.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: So it's really easy to say, yeah, god, but how does God do anything with this?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: You mentioned that he kind of created our brain so that they can heal.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: He created us.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: But you know we're going to take that hard question on.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: It's one thing to teach somebody something so they have awareness and they go.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Ah, now I got some definition of this.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Now maybe I can do something different.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Where does God fit into any of that?
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: So I think that someone who does not know Jesus at all, someone who maybe had experiences with the Lord and fell away because of church hurt, they're going to view that a very different way of no, this is my life, and if God is a part of any of this, then I want no part of him because this hurts.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Part of any of this then, like, I want no part of him because this hurts.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: And if he was a God that is good that you proclaim that he is then why would he allow any of these things to happen?
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: And those are the hard questions that I believe us, as the big C church, need to be prepared to answer when people are hurting, because you can help or you can hurt very quickly in those situations.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: And so I think that holding space for the person, like in both hands if this analogy makes sense of one, like recognizing in one hand, yeah, your experiences were horrific, they were not okay were horrific, they were not okay, they were not a direct reflection of who God is, and that and God does not cause that hurt and harm was not from the Lord, um, but you are valid in your feelings of that is really really hard stuff.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: And, on the other hand, of I want to hold hope for you until you're able to hold it for yourself.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: And so I will continue to speak of the Lord's goodness and show you what it looks like tangibly through a person and actions, because it can't just be words, because we can speak words like honey all day long.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: And then, if your actions don't align, with it then we're leading people astray.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: Then we're leading people astray and so continually showing up and being the same person, day after day, who the Lord has called you to be, and us, as Christians, being really aware that there's other people that are watching us.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: There's other people who maybe are deciding of I'm going to open my heart to the Lord or I'm going to not, based off of this interaction with this Christian person that's in front of me, and so that's a heavy weight and I think that we are just I mean, I'm guilty of it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: I'm just out here trying my best to make it through the day, you know, and get to bedtime, and it's like life is hard for Christians too, like life is just hard, life is just hard.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: But I think that we just need to be more cognizant and more aware that every interaction that we have has the opportunity of life or death.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: And are we actually aware of that?
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what I was hoping to hear in regards to we have to be authentic, we have to kind of do what Jesus strongly suggested we do love your neighbors yourself after you love God.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: And if we do that well, then we are going to be an instrument of God's love, to be able to reach somebody.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: He can zap somebody with his love.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: You know, boom, they're good.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I sure haven't ever met anybody like that, but you know it's possible.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: But generally he uses us and we're going to have to be authentic with him.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: We're going to have to be authentic with others and to not judge them and to love them exactly where they are.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: And some people do that well and some people don't do that well at all and so they perpetuate the hurt.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: But back to the question I had is there hope?
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's hope, if those who are assigned to bring hope do indeed do that and you may be listening today and you may have been hurt and you know we're very sorry for the hurt that you've experienced and I think we would all agree here Don't quit, don't give up.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: God sees your hurt and he does care, and you may be seeing something happen in your life, very different, maybe today, maybe not today, but at some point.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Don't give up, because there is hope for you as well and for those of you who want to be a part of the solution.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Go, look in the mirror.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: You're the hope, and so ask God how you can be a part of this, just like these two ladies doing their job, being faithful, discovered something, and now it could be a real game changer.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Cody Courtney, thank you for being, like I said, humble heroes.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you for doing what you've done so well and continuing to do, and we're just looking forward to how God's going to use this to change the game of people who suffer in our community and beyond.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: So thank you both.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to our community, our mission.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: If you would like more information about the Topeka Rescue Mission, for activities like this, different ministries like this, you can go to the website at trmonlineorg.
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  Speaker 2: That's trmonlineorg who came up with that long term on that, josh, I don't know, it's a guy named Josh, but anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to our Community, our Mission.
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  Speaker 2: Our Community Our Mission on our Facebook page.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being a part of our mission.