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ITB: Where Do The Eagles Go At Left Guard With Dickerson Out? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on, everybody? It's
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher and Adam Kapp, and we're in the middle
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: of the week. The Eagles are preparing for a week
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  Speaker 1: two showdown in Nashville, a place that they've had trouble
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: winning before, but they are playing a Titans team that
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: is 0-1, not good. But, Adam, what's not good for
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles is, after all the talk we had over
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: the weekend about Landon Dickerson and looking like he was
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: not even able to compete out there, well, sure enough,
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  Speaker 1: he goes on IR. He's out for four weeks at
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  Speaker 1: least because we'll talk about it in a second. His
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  Speaker 1: own comments that he made on WIP suggested it could
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: be longer than that. And already you are testing your
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: offensive line depth two weeks into the season. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: pushing any panic buttons, but it's obviously not ideal for
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: a team that's really still trying to come together and
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: learn this new blocking system.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so look, he was very upfront with WIP when
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  Speaker 2: he was on the show, whatever show that was, on
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  Speaker 2: Monday night.
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  Speaker 3: Told the truth.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I remember him saying, can I curse? He
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  Speaker 2: played poorly. We showed the tape. It wasn't moving well.
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  Speaker 2: What Greg Cosell said was troubling. He was not finishing
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  Speaker 2: his steps. And in bone bruise, which is what Landon
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  Speaker 2: said he has, I've had one. You have no idea
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  Speaker 2: how painful that injury is. Before I had it, I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: You just, you know, he's talking about a bruised knee,
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  Speaker 2: but no, it's on the bone. It's extremely painful. Got
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  Speaker 2: to get the swelling out. I don't know how he
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  Speaker 2: was able to get through practice. He said friendly fire
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  Speaker 2: during practice. So I don't, we don't know when it
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  Speaker 2: was now. He did say, he said it was a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. He did not say this was
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  Speaker 2: like recent, which is right. But he doesn't that raise,
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  Speaker 2: raise a flag though. Like he was at practice. They
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  Speaker 2: knew this happened and yet they still decided as long
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  Speaker 2: as he's.
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  Speaker 1: Met it, I get it. You're medically cleared to play.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody fights through something, but if he looked that bad
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  Speaker 1: in the game, he probably wasn't looking very good at practice.
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  Speaker 3: That's my point.
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  Speaker 2: And I know the new office coordinator is going to
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  Speaker 2: call it down the middle, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And all that. But, On your point, in fact, I
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  Speaker 3: want to get to something you said on our show recently.
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  Speaker 2: Did you not see him going to leave practice or
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  Speaker 2: like he just gave up reps to Kendall in practice?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was the last practice before the final
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  Speaker 1: preseason game against the Bengals. So that would have been
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  Speaker 1: the final preseason game was Saturday, if I'm not mistaken, right?
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  Speaker 1: So I think this was a Thursday. You get Friday
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  Speaker 1: or Friday walkthrough, right? Thursday, it was a very light
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  Speaker 1: practice because it was the final one. And they were
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  Speaker 1: in shorts and shells, I believe. and at the end
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  Speaker 1: of it, when they were doing team drills, the only
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  Speaker 1: person on the first team in any spot, other than
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver where they rotate a little bit, on the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line coming out was Dickerson, who was trading places
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  Speaker 1: with Kendall. Not 50-50, but I didn't chart. I don't
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  Speaker 1: do that kind of thing with the offensive line, but
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  Speaker 1: it was noticeable to me. I don't know how many
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  Speaker 1: people made a big deal about it. I didn't see
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  Speaker 1: too many people write it, but I did say it
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  Speaker 1: that day we did a podcast that day or later
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  Speaker 1: that I thought that that was interesting because it was
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  Speaker 1: a light day. It was one of those days where
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  Speaker 1: you've been through camp. You're starting to prepare for the
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: regular season, so you want your starters out there as
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  Speaker 1: much as possible. I thought it was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a red flag that he was coming out like that.
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  Speaker 1: Now we know he may have suffered that knee injury
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  Speaker 1: before that. And maybe he just wasn't feeling a hundred percent,
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  Speaker 1: which again goes back to how confident were the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: to put him out there on Sunday, knowing that he
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  Speaker 1: really was not at peak mobility because even he said,
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  Speaker 1: Adam in the WIP interview that he didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: repeat of last year. He didn't want to go out there,
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  Speaker 1: not at a hundred percent or having to fight through it,
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  Speaker 1: but he did. And they enabled that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's, Again, we don't know what he looked like in practice,
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  Speaker 2: but as you said, it's hard to imagine.
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  Speaker 3: He looked good enough.
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  Speaker 2: Now, there's a saying in football, the elite players like Dickerson,
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  Speaker 2: when they're healthy, well, even if they're at 70%, they're
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  Speaker 2: probably better than 50% or 100% of the other guy, right?
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  Speaker 1: Correct, correct.
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  Speaker 3: It was painful.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when Greg said what he said, remember Cam Jurgens,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it was hard for him to bend over.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to Bob. We were, we were looking at the
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  Speaker 3: coaching tape last year. He just didn't look right. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So Landon's an older 28 man. He's, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: worry about.
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  Speaker 2: This stuff and you know, hopefully after the four games
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  Speaker 2: served on IR cause it's, it's games, not weeks. So
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  Speaker 2: the games that he'll miss are obviously this one at Chicago,
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  Speaker 2: the Monday nighter versus the Rams at home and at Shaxsville. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That's, And then after that, you'll see, depending on when
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  Speaker 2: the swelling goes down and hopefully blood flow is good
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  Speaker 2: and all that.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff in there. It's his right knee, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: It's right knee.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully, for their sake, against Carolina at home and then
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  Speaker 2: on the 26th of October, which would be week seven.
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  Speaker 2: But until then, look, Kendall's been his backup the entire way.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's speculation they may change something else. Um,
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  Speaker 2: if they did, I could tell you, this is the,
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  Speaker 2: what we talked about this since he was drafted. We
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  Speaker 2: could not find a team that thought he could play guard.
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  Speaker 2: I literally asked a dozen people in personnel with other teams.
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  Speaker 2: No one thought he could play guard. Now I know
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  Speaker 2: he's put on 15 pounds of muscle. That doesn't guarantee
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  Speaker 2: you that you're, you can play guard. You have the
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  Speaker 2: body tip that you have. Um, if he's not going
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  Speaker 2: to play guard, it means they don't think he's ready.
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  Speaker 2: Cause it's, this is not a one week decision.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Kendall is starting. It's for at least four weeks.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going, you know what? We're just going to
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  Speaker 2: start this week, Lampkin the other week. That's not the
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  Speaker 1: I think it's very fair to wonder if they had
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  Speaker 1: had a backup offensive lineman who they, who had a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years in the league or was a really
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  Speaker 1: high pick. Would they have gone to him already in
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  Speaker 1: week one? I mean, I know they like Kendall and
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  Speaker 1: they feel, but again, we're talking about guard, not center.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And no, no NFL reps there, as opposed to in
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  Speaker 1: the past, you know, a couple of years ago when
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  Speaker 1: they drafted Landon Dickerson, they already had Brandon Brooks at
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  Speaker 1: right guard and they had them. I'm sorry. Sam, I'll
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  Speaker 1: write guard Brooks left guard or one of those combinations.
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  Speaker 1: And then one of them got hurt and Dickerson immediately
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  Speaker 1: went in because he was a high pick and they
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  Speaker 1: knew he could play right away. And it was a
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  Speaker 1: natural position for him. You do wonder if you're looking
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  Speaker 1: here at Kendall and, Willie Lampkin next. Adam, if they
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  Speaker 1: just thought, like you said, that even 50% of Dickerson
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  Speaker 1: was going to be better than a healthier version of
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  Speaker 1: somebody playing out of position.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting note. I got the workouts this week. through Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: They haven't even worked anyone out. They worked the left-footed
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: punter just because they were facing Trestway. They just want
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: to see the spin off his foot. We've talked about this.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: Brock Miller was the tryout punter for years. I think
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  Speaker 2: he made like 50 grand at least from working out
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  Speaker 2: for teams.
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  Speaker 3: Good job if you can get it. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But it shows the confidence they have in Lampkin because
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  Speaker 2: Kendall now will start, okay, whether it's center or guard,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to start. And Kendall now, I mean, Willie Lampkin,
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  Speaker 2: that shows you the confidence they have in him because
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  Speaker 2: he got cross-trained at guard and center.
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  Speaker 3: And I give Howie credit. Now, obviously, he's got to
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  Speaker 3: play well.
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  Speaker 2: And he talked about this in his last press conference
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: about how, you know, if you shoot me up with
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: true serum, you know, we have to see what our
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: offensive line depth looks like. Because we were shocked when
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: he– didn't have a veteran on their defensive tackle group
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: from the defensive tackle group two years in a row.
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: Like that's never happens. Eagles don't see it like everybody
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: else does. It doesn't mean it has nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with the cap or cash, nothing. You could sign a
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: guy to a one year veteran minimum deal.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. A guy like Michael Jordan, it just didn't work
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  Speaker 3: out for Michael Jordan. That's my point. So they've got
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  Speaker 3: more confidence in these young kids. Good for them.
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  Speaker 2: Now, obviously they've got to prove how we, how we write.
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  Speaker 2: And when Kendall starts, he's got to play well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that Howie might want to put
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: a veteran on the practice squad at this point now
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  Speaker 1: just to have some moxie there, some guy who's played.
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  Speaker 1: And I will say this, I thought about it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that with guys like Jeffrey Simmons up,
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: you mentioned the Panthers, they have Derek Brown. And of course,
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: my gosh, in a couple of weeks, Aaron Donald. There
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: are some really good DTs here. Would I rather have
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: kendall making his first ever you know appearances in nfl
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  Speaker 1: game at left guard a position that he's cross-trained at
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: but not necessarily experienced in as you mentioned not a
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: lot of people felt he could be a guard going
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  Speaker 1: up against simmons or would i rather have him more
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  Speaker 1: naturally at his center spot and then Juergens playing guard
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: where at least he has played before. And then Adam,
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: you get into some schematics of it. You know, if
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: you're a defense and you see this, you're going to
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: try to put some guys at the front of the line.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: You're going to try to make the Eagles one-on-one block
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: at times, you know, five out, right? You're going to
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: put five, six guys in the line of scrimmage, and
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: then you're going to isolate those guys in one-on-one situation.
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  Speaker 1: So you might again, feel more comfortable with guys playing
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: their more natural positions. So we'll see, we'll see what
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  Speaker 1: they do. If we get a situation where Kendall plays
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  Speaker 1: center and Juergens moves the guard, if that happens, that
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  Speaker 1: is a deviation from what Stoutland used to believe and
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  Speaker 1: what the organization believed, where you don't weaken two spots.
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  Speaker 1: You just change one spot and next man up. This
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a really fascinating decision facing them
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  Speaker 1: this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, the Jaguars, who, for those of
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: us who didn't think they could repeat last year's success,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was the Browns week one.
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  Speaker 3: We get that.
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  Speaker 2: But you're talking about Devon Hamilton is.
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  Speaker 3: A good player. And Eric Armstead, who's been in the
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: league forever. Heck, he played for Chip Kelly at Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So he's good.
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  Speaker 2: Getting paid a lot of money. So, yeah, they've got
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  Speaker 2: a tall task. They've got a tall task. There's no
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  Speaker 2: question about it. Drew Kendall, they believed in him. He
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: had a great offseason. And we're going to see, we're
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: going to learn. We're going to learn a lot about him. Look,
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: there's no time like the present to learn about your
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: young players. If they're called upon, they've got to.
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  Speaker 3: Do the job. And the veteran, there are plenty of, see,
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  Speaker 3: here's the thing though.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to put together my best available free agents
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: list overall in the league, but I'm looking for specifically
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: zone blocking. Guys, I have to ask. So I'll get
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: that list together. But in Michael Jordan, there's a reason
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: why he's been on so many teams. He just, he's,
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't, I mean, I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's see if this guy could push.
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  Speaker 3: Really never pushed. Lampkin and Kendall clearly beat him out.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't even close.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. He didn't. You're right. Where did
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: he play before? Was it Tampa that he, Jordan had played?
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  Speaker 3: It was Tampa. Yeah. Cincy, Tampa, Carolina. I don't have
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: the whole list in front of me, but.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. No, you're right. You would, you would hope, again,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: the state of offensive line play already isn't great. It's
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: gotten better across the NFL, but it's not great. But,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: when you're picking up scraps of guys who are free agents, right. It's,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if they played in Shanahan scheme or
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: McVay scheme, if they're not good, they're not good. Like
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  Speaker 1: you gotta make sure you're bringing in someone who can,
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: who can still play and function at this level. But yeah,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: you do, you do need to find that. It might be,
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: it might be helpful to poach a practice squad guy.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: If you think that someone young there, that's where your
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: pro scouting department comes in handy. The Eagles have done
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: that in the past. They've, they've gotten a guy that
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: maybe like the public hasn't known, but, We might have
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: known because he's a day three guy or somebody that
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: came across us in discussing with scouts. But that's what
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: your post-scouting staff is for.
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  Speaker 2: The only problem is, of course, when you sign a
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: guy off a practice squad, he has to go to 53.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. There's a saying in the NFL,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: if he's on our 53, he can play. You've got
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: to be ultra sure about that because Lampkin really, really
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: developed rapidly over three weeks. First week, he wouldn't give
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: a chance to even be with the twos. And second week,
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  Speaker 2: not really.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: And then third week. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And he took off around with it. And then Kendall's
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: just been really good, but we'll learn a lot about, look.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: It's Jeffrey Simmons. We get that.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: They actually, we'll talk more about this in our pregame
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: show with Greg Cosell, but they brought on John Franklin Myers.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: There's a good, I mean, he's a, he's an explosive,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: good player paying a big time money by the board.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: They overpay to bring him in. And it, They're running
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: a wide nine now. They moved from a 34 to 43.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I saw Jermaine Johnson, who was Salah's guy, with the Jets.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: And they made that trade. They traded Devandre Sweat, which
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: is surprising. They felt like, as I understood it, they
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: didn't think he was good in the system because they
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: were going to change systems. So we'll see what happens.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: But it's interesting. We don't talk a lot about– we'll
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: move on here. We just don't talk a lot about
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: the Eagles offensive line.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Other than, okay, are they healthy? Are they not healthy?
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Are they not healthy? Well, Dirk said it wasn't. But
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: as good as Hurts looked, because we're getting a lot
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: of comments on YouTube, what are you talking about? Their
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: offensive sucked. You didn't listen to the show. We said
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Hurts looked good. The passing game was fine. The running
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: game was atrocious.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: And you need the running game to have a better
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: passing game. If you don't have that, you're behind the sticks.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: And they don't want to be a passing team. Greg
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Cosell talked about it. He thought Barkley looked stiff.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Remember.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Barkley had 14 for 41 other than.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: The 42-yard run. It was not good. It's only one game.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: We're not condemning the running game, but it's concerning. It's concerning.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: It starts with Barkley.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: For sure. I did notice I watched a little bit
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: of Jets-Titans. We'll get into it. I mean, the Jets
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: had success running to the edges. The Eagles have not
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: had success lately. running that to the edges. I mean,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: going back to last year, they didn't do it much,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: but when they remember, we'd say, man, outside run, outside run.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And then they would have a few good ones against
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: the giants, like a bad D. And we think that
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: there were, that was going to be like, it's back,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it's there. And then it would just completely vanish and disappear. And, um,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: they didn't have, they didn't have success running edges, uh,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: against the commanders either. So, you know, every, I know
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: everybody's thinking at home, it's the Titans. They stink. They suck.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the Eagles should roll on them for 50. I remember
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the Eagles rolled on the Raiders last year and everybody thought, Hey,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: this is a great sign. And then they went back
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to their old offense. So I, I'm just really curious.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: And Adam, I think we really, what we really have
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to discuss is this. All right. I you're right. I
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: do credit Howie for addressing the offensive line depth, drafting
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Markel bell, you know, getting Willie Lampkin here last year. And,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and you saw a nice camp from him. And of course,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Drew Kendall is a guy we know they like, but
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: the reality of the situation is, it's you're going into
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: week two.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: You are now one toe stub or ankle twist from
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: your interior line away from having Kendall and Willie Lampkin
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: as starters. That's just the reality. You can't win like that.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I like these guys. They're good camp stories.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: You got a murderous row. We just talked about of bears,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Rams and Jaguars three, four, five, but it doesn't matter
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: if you have to play a stretch where you're down
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: to offensive lineman. And by the way, Cam Juergens had
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a couple of holes. It's not like Cam Juergens rocked
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: it on Sunday either. So I'm not, I'm not, people
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: are going to say negative. I'm just, I'm just saying, Hey, listen,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta understand you didn't want this week one.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: You never want it, but this is too early in
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the season to be reaching this deeply into your offensive line.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: So one of the first things.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I learned, one of the first things I learned talking
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: to coaches over the years is they, they'd say, okay,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: what's our answer. If this happens, you better have a
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: good answer. Now it's an interesting answer with these two
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: young guys, but you just don't know until they play.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: That's okay. I mean, you gotta learn some point, but I,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to finish this off, it would behoove them to bring
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: in a veteran on the.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Practice squad who you think could fit.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: If you're signing someone who's way better in gap than zone,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: you don't fit.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately with Dickerson, we don't know if he's going
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: to fit. And I know there's some questions whether he
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: does fit. He's an immensely talented player, but he may
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: not be a great fit for this game. We know
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Lane is, and we know just about everyone else is,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: but we'll see on Dickerson.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. The only other guy that like there
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: was some, you know, the old pop up thing is
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that Cooper to Gene didn't practice on Wednesday. Now he's
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: already in the locker room. He told reporters he's going
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to play. He took a strange hit early in the game.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Everybody saw him kind of reaching for his midsection. Then
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: he didn't have a particularly good game. We went through
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that on Inside the Tape in the postgame show. So
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: we'll see. He's going to play, but, you know, it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: a– He says he's playing. Yes, that's a great point.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: We've been burned when players say that over the years,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and I laugh. I go, man, why do we listen
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: to this?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, last week, Eli Stowers told reporters on Friday
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: he expects to play, and the next day he goes
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: on injured reserve.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: But look, they know their own bodies, but if the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: quad's bothering him and he gets testing and the imaging
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: shows that he's got a quad strain, that's a long,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: depending on what grade it is, it's grade two that
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you're talking about five or six weeks, man.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: You got to be careful with that, so.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Um anyway yeah so we'll talk we'll get back to
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: coop in a second but uh oh by the way
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: tennessee's pretty healthy they came out of the game pretty
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: healthy robert's all of us actually talking about that that
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: was one of the few good things from their game
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: they were awesome yeah they were bad.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Their new stadium their debut and they laid a major
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: egg major.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Egg i read uh i read that it's interesting people
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: think the philly media you know it goes uh or
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: out of bounds or really tough. I'm reading the questions
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to Robert Sala after one game. One game they're asking
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: him questions like, what is your plan to fix this?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Is there a way to get to where you want
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to be in this year? What do you think of
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Cam Ward's post-game comments where he seemed almost indifferent? I mean,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they are raking everybody over the coals there after one game.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's, you know what?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: They treated Vrabel pretty well, and from what I understand
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: talking to the writers down there, they had a fairly
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: good relationship with him.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: It's a situation where they're in a total turnaround program.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: The GM, Mike Berganzi, drafted Cam Ward. Ward struggled last season.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: The word I got from people close to the team
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: was he tried to put the team on his back
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: because they had so little talent.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: He just tried to be Superman. It didn't work. He
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: had a bad year.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Talented kid and very serious about football. Mm-hmm. trying to
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: camp one understand was very uneven and they added more players.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, they, they added more players. We'll talk again,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: you know, about that on, on our pregame show. But
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: how about this one though? This, this is insane. You're
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: getting absolutely destroyed. How does Calvin really not have a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: pass target?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: That's inexcusable.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I I'm a table fan as a play caller, not
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: as a head coach. Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I know Ridley is on the downside of his career,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: but that's, he took a pickup, but my God, that, that,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and his guy Wendell Robinson wasn't really a factor.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually he had what second, most targets or most targets.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: He just only, he led them with 38 yards.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: He's a, he could be a, he's a gadget guy.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I know they, with the giants, he wouldn't be a
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: gadget guy.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Then he had the ACL injury, but he had a
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: great year last year, but I just see it. I
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: just see it as a game where, and I'm usually
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: wrong when I say to you, the team's going to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: blow out another team.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Eagles left a lot of meat on the bone. That's
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the Hertz, Hertz phrase.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Run game was not good. You just talked about it.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: How they, they, the jets got after the hall at
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a great game. I mean, Frank Reich, by the way,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: how about that? That was a five, four time, five
• 23:06
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• 23:06
  Speaker 1: What the hell was that? Well, dude, Frank Reich did
• 23:08
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• 23:10
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• 23:13
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• 23:16
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• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it because he gets criticized, Frank Reich,
• 23:25
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• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I guess it's time away. He learned some stuff.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he did the Howie thing where he just
• 23:31
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• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Wait, was he at Stanford? Where the hell was he
• 23:35
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So, so, but the point is if Coop is banged up, right.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And if he's not playing well because of an injury
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, Robinson can route you up. Wandale
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: is a, is a decent slot receiver. So it would
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: just be, listen, you don't want, you just don't want
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the Eagles in areas that they don't have great depth.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And we talked about secondary, if Coop's really banged up,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: or if he tries to fight through and comes out,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: then you're using Michael Carter jr. As your slot, most likely.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And then you have to then play, uh, Epps and
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Makuba at safety the whole game. And Epps, didn't he
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: get– he got banged up in the first game, came
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: out a little bit. So, you know, I just– you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you just kind of wish the Eagles were a little healthier.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Now, I highly doubt they would do this because they
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: don't have good enough depth at safety. But Makuba, certainly
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: in emergency, could play nickel because he played nickel earlier
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: in his career at Clemson.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: And then he moved to safety, so he can do it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: And he's got the ability to play inside.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: There's no question about it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Got it. All right, real quickly, let's discuss the pop-up injury.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter did not practice on Wednesday for a wrist.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Slightly concerning given the shoulders, but we'll just have to see.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I don't get really that concerned until it's like a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Thursday and a Friday, you know?
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: If it's not, it's long. Okay, first of all, it
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: wasn't a shoulder. That's huge. Right.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, he decided to rehab them and
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: not get surgery, correct?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Uh, correct. He did not get surgery.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: He rehabbed. Right. We know he had the shots, but
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: he didn't actually have surgery. Right. So arrest. Okay. We'll see.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I, I guess a couple of fans said
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: they saw him shaking his hand. They said on our YouTube. I, I, okay.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, they saw him like holding it like this, seeing,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: cause I guess he hurt his wrist.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: We don't know. I don't know which one it is,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: but that's look, that's a problem.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: But, but we've seen with him in particular, we've seen
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: him a lot miss a Wednesday with something and then
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: be all right there by Friday. So again, we will
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: do the inside of the birds pregame show. It'll be out.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: We'll have all the full injury report covered. I'm not
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: concerned there yet, but if he does not get back
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: to practice this week, we can talk, we'll talk about
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: on the pregame show.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Thanks here. The one thing I want to say
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: about the gene is this is what's troubling. He doesn't
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: have one injury is two. Right.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It's the calf and the abdomen and the abdomen.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Now, did you say earlier that did you say, look,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: you saw it. Did you see him?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: That's where he took a hit.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And you saw him holding his midsection. That's the abdomen.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I know reporters showed that he was wearing a brace
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: on his calf at practice on Wednesday. So we'll see.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I hate the calf injuries. You know, we talk about them.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: They tend to linger. So. we'll have to see. Again,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not right. No five alarm fire yet. I want
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: to see how Thursday and Friday.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, we got, you got Wednesday, you got Thursday and Friday,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: but that's. Byron Young's the first up for Carter. Dajin,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: we just talked about it. And Grenard was also limited
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: with his comeback from the pectoral strain.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: You were hoping he would make it to like. Full
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: this week.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Regression sometimes. Veterans, you start light. Thursday, you increase it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: They don't have to list how much they practice. It's
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: either limited, full, or don't DMP. That's the thing I hate.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: That's another pet peeve of mine, the way the injury
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: reports are done.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: But that's it. The good thing is no one else.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: That is correct. Small list.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Obviously, three very important players. And we'll have more in
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: our next show and obviously in our pregame show.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And we'll have you all the information, the tape breakdown, everything.
• 30:30
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  Speaker 1: They did an awesome job and we'll continue to pump
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