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Making Monsters Draft Series: Clemson's TJ Parker, Peter Woods & Avieon Terrell · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm welcome back to another episode of Making Monsters Continuing on the draft season.
• 0:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been a very busy month, but I'm excited to keep going with this joint now.
• 0:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: By Chapel Fowler, he covers Clemson, Clemson beat writer for the state's newspaper.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, Chapel, thanks for hopping on, and we are just chatting a little bit off air about you've done a lot of traveling, you were covering the women's basketball tournament for self-care line, so busy guy over there, but thanks for hopping on.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm happy to be on with you, Taylor, and appreciate you making the time always good to get into draft season.
• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the mock drafts are fun for everybody.
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we all love them.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm happy to have to talk some clips and guys, even though their season was far from when anybody expected.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're still gonna have a lot of guys go in the draft this year or so.
• 0:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what I think we've talked about a lot of clips and prospects the last few years.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's going to continue no matter what.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's that one thing Davos really good at is recruiting.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's gonna continue to get those guys.
• 1:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: criticism is maybe use the portal a little bit more, but I want to chat to start about that clumps and team because I think that is a big thing that if people aren't at this time of year, people start trying to figure out
• 1:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: If they're not college football fans who was good, who was bad, you know, how their defenses worked.
• 1:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: How their offenses worked.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the biggest things about Clemson, obviously, was Kate Klobnip, this time last year was in being talked about possible highsmen and he could be one of the better, you know, best quarterbacks in college football and to your point, the season probably didn't go the way a lot of Clemson fans wanted it to, but just talk over all offensively and defensively, what went wrong, what went right for Clemson this last year.
• 1:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my gosh, what a crazy season to go from like you mentioned.
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's been trophy buzz for Club Nick.
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, shoot, he was number one in ESPN's mock draft in April or may I think of last year.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think TJ Parker was like third overall in some of those.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, some mock drafts had like three clumps and players among the top 10.
• 2:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So many things went wrong.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, kind of the cliffs notes of it.
• 2:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think, first of all, Club Nick plateaued a little bit.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was better in 24 than he was in 25.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did not kind of take the step you would want to see in your quarterback and forth your guy to take.
• 2:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: They basically had the same personnel give or take that they did from the previous year.
• 2:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think in 24, they got a few lucky breaks, lucky bounces, you know, that was here.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: They made the play off, you know, by the grace of God because their kicker made a 56-yard feel goal in the ACC title game, which was.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: The longest walkoff field going conference championship game history.
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So since like the late 90s, like nobody has had a longer field go to win any conference had a game, ACC, SEC, whatever.
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then Clemson's kicker in that game.
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they had just blown like an 18.4th quarter lead to S of you.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they were right on the verge of not even making the play off two years ago, but they did.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they played really well against Texas and clubbing good really good in that fourth quarter.
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that sets some really high expectations.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: that were probably semi-warranted.
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, but obviously the talent on this team that went 7 and 6, it was far better than a 7 and 6 year.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's okay.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like when all these clips and guys get drafted in a few weeks,
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to think less about, oh, like, what a great celebration.
• 3:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is of climps of football.
• 3:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to think more about the fact that, you know, all these guys were on this roster at the same time.
• 3:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this was the end result.
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think a lot of those guys, I mean, again, one player can't change a team's record like just like that.
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think a lot of these guys have been asked at the combat.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've kind of got this since that they've had to,
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: have their own answers for why this team that was preseason number four, you know, lost the pin state in this ugly pinstripe hole that I was at.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still cold from I think it was like 26 degrees in the open air, Yankee Stadium Pressbox.
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's it was a lot of stuff went wrong.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Basically everybody plateaued or regressed and that's I'm sure what we'll talk about here with woods and Parker and stuff.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was an interesting year and I think a lot of guys draft stock has gotten
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: damage to some degree because of it, not all the way, but to some degree here.
• 4:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I think, you know, the bears pick at 25 their first pick is at 25 and a lot of these guys are around that range or maybe a little after the 25 is where they're projected on a lot of just like big draft boards.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, this is all kind of projections right now I do want to start about start with quarterback avi on 12 because I think that I don't know how high the bears are planning on drafting a corner, but they do have to have a plan coming up soon.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: it kind of looks like they were already pushing him out of the defense anyways last year the other two are set Jalen Johnson and Connor Gordon I think will be here for a while but you do feel like there is a hole but how hard do they dress that I don't know but he's still in that range he's you know when I see projections it's right around that time that bears are possibly picking so I want to talk about him a little bit he is more of that outside man type of um... corner so chat a little bit about him because I think that's going to be one of the bigger names people that are kind of circulating in that area
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like to rail a lot.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think on that defense last year specifically, there were a lot of chunks of games or specific plays where top guys weren't exactly playing their hardest.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we're taking some plays off.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: The effort wasn't totally there.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Almost 100% of the time I'd sold to rail.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: both in his butt, getting to the ball, chasing guys down, forcing funnels.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he ended up setting Climpson's career record for forced funnels by defensive back.
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just a crazy knack for getting his arms in on a play and kind of bring it in and less of a peanut punch and more of just like a full on rip of the ball.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been super impressed with him really since his freshman year.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's not the tallest guy.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe like five eleven or something.
• 5:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he measured at.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he has never really backed down from a challenge and part of that is the older brother who's in the NFL and playing really well for the Falcons in AJ
• 6:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you don't just tough, like he's tough, he's consistent, he's available, he doesn't really miss gains because of injury.
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the size is something that people probably had question marks about heading into college.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he was a pretty highly ranked recruit, but it's not like he was a five star top 60 guy or anything.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Clips that kind of identified him early.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: They had the failure make connection, because obviously his brother would declips it also.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: but I've been super impressed with him, really his whole career.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's definitely not perfect, you know, I can remember some games where he was getting two or three passenger clearance calls in just crucial moments, and every corner, like, has games like that, and especially, you know, he was always matched up against the talk guy.
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But,
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did that gaming game out and a lot of times, it's not like he would totally shut down his side of the field, but he would really keep guys quiet and those force fumbles especially and you look for guys who can make impact plays like that.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was always seem to come in up with one of those, he didn't have a ton of interceptions during his clips and career, but I think he totally made up for that.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: With just the sheer number of times again, they would need to stop and suddenly
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a little scrawman and suddenly like little 80 on Thrill is ripped the ball out of somebody's taken it the other way So if he was doing that against big college receivers, I'm sure he could do that in the prison as well Yeah, and it's funny because one of the the draft camps I saw did there was like it's lazy to compare him to peanut You know Charles Tillman because of but that's what he kind of does is get the ball out to your point.
• 7:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little different but
• 7:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something that the bears focused on out Harris is there, you know, kind of under their secondary coach and he came from Dallas, Dallas got a lot of takeaways when he was there and then bears led the lead last year.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it is a focus when it comes to being able to get that all the way and at the right time it was to your point.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you watched much bears football.
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: But last year, there was even on Black Friday.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: They played the Eagles and Eagles are trying to touch push.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Sean Wright, peanut punches the ball out.
• 7:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And just in moments like that, when you really needed.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I've kind of heard, Avion Terrell is really good at.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to, immediately started as a freshman.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also, I think all of these guys that we talk about spent all of their time at Clemson, which doesn't have been often either, because I've had so many podcasts the last few weeks where it's guys that had transferred two and three and four times.
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: That to me, I love that I think you've committed to that coach is just something you don't really see in college football much anymore.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: So credit to Dabo for keeping the guys but credit to the guys for also sticking around even when it's maybe seasons that you did think would go as well as they did.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he did start right away as a freshman.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Started all 13 games kind of thrown into the fire that year.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you saw that you saw that trajectory pretty early throughout the end of it by the end of the season, you're like, okay, this guy has all the tools to be a really good corner.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's so explain a little bit how you saw that progress from his freshman year to this last year.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember his 2023 freshman year, they played a ton of young guys that year and he just emerged really, really quickly.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were like some veteran corners on the roster and with them like one or two games, like everybody's like, yeah, I mean, this guy's light year's better than the guys that he's playing in the rotation with.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, there's some practice clip that's gone around of Indian thrill a few times, whereas all these like awesome man-covered traps and clumps and practices, that's kind of him.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's tough, he'll get in dude's face.
• 9:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he ever got ejected from a game or anything, but he'll talk some trash.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's very like, he's kind of soft-spoken.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not a huge like talker with the media.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But on the field like he's one of the guys that'll get up in your face and I've always thought that that's a great treat for a corner.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like you should.
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You should tow the line.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You should push guys to try to get in receivers heads.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I grew up watching a lot of Panthers football, so I think of Josh Norman and how you can kind of.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: get on Mike Evans and other guys like that and Avian definitely played that role for Clemson among all their corners or db's like he was the biggest talker and he should be because he was the rest defensive back based on the whole time he was there so I mean I've seen him go up against a bunch of good ACC receivers some good ACC receivers big bowl games and stuff like that.
• 10:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: just very rare that you would see him getting totally beat over the top or something like that.
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty solid tackler.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I just keep coming back to the force fumbles.
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if I were to go through and see not just when or what games they were, but when they happen within the games, really just this innate skill.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you can kind of coach that, but like Clipson's other defensive acts weren't doing that.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's something that whether that was him and his trader, whether that's just him and the fact that
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he works this hard in the weight room or he has this much extra effort, like it really pays off Clemson.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: had Nate Wiggins get drafted by the Ravens a few years ago and part of his like highlight type that they showed over and over when he got drafted and they still look like run this in Clemson's buildings with him chasing down La Comar and Hampton from UNC and right before the end zone he strips out the ball and he did it again against Miami to save a touchdown.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like Avian kind of has that in force fumble ways, you know, it's plays that are about to get blown dead and then suddenly
• 11:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: the ball gets ripped out and he's been doing that basically his whole career, but he's gotten better at it.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the number of force fumbles he's had per year has been right on par, maybe even increased.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, this past year was a really poor one for Clemson's defense in a lot of ways, but he was, he was a, he was a bright spot.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's probably why his draft stock is about his solid and in the same place as it was last year versus some of these other guys that we're going to talk about.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely one of the guys in the traits and that is like playing to the wh-like playing to the whistle and a lot of guys you see, not a lot, let's say, there's the guys in college football and then the NFL that you sometimes feel like low, full little bit more than you'd like to see and he's definitely not one of those.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to chat just a second about Blake Miller, he's the next guy on the PFF traffic for huge 673, 17, right tackle for you guys.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to chat about that a little bit.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is there versatility?
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was he right tackle the whole time for you guys?
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he so blatantly played left tackle in high school, but he was Clemson starting right tackle all four years.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's obviously a big part of it, too, is the fact that he started every game he played at Clemson and never miss a game in the cause of injury.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So a ton of durability, but he was right tackle only.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there's probably some flexibility to switch over because he was he was right tackle the whole time he was at Clemson, which I was surprised by.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: never miss the game so yeah that's that is something you want out of offensive lineman and that's what i'm not going super into Blake Miller i think he's going to be a really good player i just think the bears have their right tackle and i don't know if this kind of same situation they drafted darno right out of ten a c he played you know he was the right tackle has been all his time i was right tackle if you do your best at one side i don't know why you try and alter that so some people are like well maybe they'll draft your right tackle moved darno to left and i'm like why when you have a top five right tackle in the
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I do want to talk about TJ Parker.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Addressor, obviously, another bigger guy, six, four, two, sixty, three, all three years at Clemson.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned that I think that is a good trait to have when you have these guys that stick around.
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, a lot of people are going to look at this is that the fact that he had 11 sacs last year, but the two seasons around that it was five and a half and five.
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, chat a little bit about that.
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: What was going on in the sense of maybe not getting that true sac production in the other two years at Clemson?
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's such like a, in that position like you obviously don't want to be judged just off those numbers alone, but it's going to happen and that is like what defensive ends are paid millions of dollars to do right is sack the quarterback.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you go from 11 and a half to to five or whatever it was like a 50% decrease like that's going to draw.
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: some attention.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think and I've heard him and Peter Woods kind of tried out this explanation and I agree with it to some degree.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's something that probably they, their agents and Clemson's coaches have agreed to like, hey, say it this way.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, they had these other guys step up.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And part of that is true, you know, they had will help use a transfer from Purdue who could have been in the draft this year.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who was really good for them this past season.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: They really needed another talented defensive
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: a little too much in 2024 in terms of like snaps and efficiency and everything again he was awesome but Clemson as a whole their defense like their number two defensive him was just not up stuff for like a SEC program.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they went out and got will help and he played really well.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jahin Lawson is another defensive in they had who kind of stepped up his game and went from like a depth guy to a true like third rotational defensive in.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it was by no means a one-man show a defensive end like help was good.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lawsom was good and did that impact Parker's production and snapped yeah, a little bit and it's always good.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need like team successes good, right?
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: like his numbers just fell off like I think everybody knows that and that's why he's gone from like what a top 10 or 15 to probably lower first round early second round.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And whatever, you know, justifications or I mean, I'm not in on the nitty gritty of PFF and this or that, but I think just numerically a lot of people are going to look at that and then ask them what happened and
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think him, I put Peter Woods in the same category, like they may end up being really good in a felt players, but I think they're probably, at this point, just because of what they did on tape, what they showed on tape, you know, remember a report from filming in the athletic, like mid-year saying that, hey, like Scouts are taking notice of the fact that this is supposed to be a top five preseason team, and here they are at, excuse me, I think they started one in
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: People are wondering like, hey, where are all these top, you know, a million dollar defense of ends and defenders like why are they not making the plays that we thought they were going to make so.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to impact his draft site a little bit, you know, he's probably a guy that a team that's in a better position to take on someone that doesn't have to make an immediate instant impacting, you know, a GM's job is in on the line when you draft Parker or Woods.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably where they're going to end up.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they may be a great fit at that level, but I think the production alone is why they're not going to be a top 10, top 15.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I put Parker in there.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: The force fumbles that he has is really good.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he does have a knock for that and that was pretty solid even this past year But his production wise like it's hard to it's hard to talk your way out of that much of a sack drop and not lose a little bit of stock Especially that big money junior year
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that to your point, I think it may fit a team who maybe already has their two past pressures and needs like a third rotational guy, but is planning on in the next couple years to replace that player.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that may be more fitting, and it's just not technically where the bears are.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bears need another past pressure unless one of the younger guys on some bookards steps up, but he's at injury issues.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And a big thing too, it's that we look at the sack numbers.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's other things that go into being, you know,
• 16:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stopping the run.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was another issue.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bears were like 31st in the league and stopping the run last year.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think they're going to be looking for maybe not even like true past pressure.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: This guy is polished and perfect in that area.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But somebody who is a little well-balanced.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So was he good or did you see flashes of him being able to set the edge and do some of those things against the run game?
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll give him and Climps' defense credit on that.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: like a historically bad run defense in terms of Clemson program records.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they allowed like a program worse than yards per carry or the worse since 1971 and they just got gashed for like 250 against good teams.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Parker was part of that kind of turnaround.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, their past defense took a step back this year, 2025, but run defense was like drastically improved.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not one guy, but his TFL numbers were solid.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that defense of line did a lot better of a job of kind of holding the line.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stayed in their gaps and being disciplined and stopping, you know, the sheer number of like chunk runs of 20 plus yards they were given up two years ago was like thatfully 13 that was good and made the play off so they really liked it on that and and him and what's her definitely part of that so I'd say that's not you know that number one part of their games or they're not totally elite but both of them were really solid at that, especially this past year.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you keep mentioning Peter was he was offensive lineman a more versatile guy.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say he was used as an address or an on the interior at his time in Clemson.
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So try to little bit about that.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was mostly interior, but would be used in in situational on the outside, but you you clarify that how how Clemson used him.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty heavy defensive tackle, you know, and I mentioned how in 2024, they didn't have another star like Ed Russia.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he kind of swung out and played some defensive end at times with Parker.
• 18:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that was maybe good for his numbers, good for him to get some flashy plays, but it wasn't the best thing for Clemson's defense.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like the fact that Woods was on the edge is probably why that run defense was so poor at a lot of times in 2024.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So very much, I think he's like a true
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: They moved him back to that position in 2025, basically full time because they added some more depth pieces at the fence of end where he was not having to swing out and do that.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's never really been like a huge stats guy.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, that's kind of like the blessing and the curse of being like an interior defensive lineman.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not like a big nose tackle by any means.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's very athletic, the body fat, all that stuff.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's very, like, on point.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's, he was on like the freaks list in the athletic and he very much has like a five store.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: building body.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's going to kind of carry him and make him a top two ish rompick, even if his numbers fell off as well.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he's another guy who had that statistical drop off.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think again, with both these guys, Parker was like, if you look at the physical makeup and what they have done two years ago, I mean, that's not that long ago, and they still were still out there and do and stuff.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes them a good fit at some level on the first round later, early second, but not as high as we thought they were going to be.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting because we're seeing more and more of these interior.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: They used to just be like big burly men that could like clog gaps and stop the run and we're seeing this turn into a lot more.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing more athleticism on the interior defensive line.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think some of that is we see a lot more mobile quarterbacks now that you see offensive line men that are more athletic.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of movements and offenses.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So these guys have to be able to.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Be a little more athletic.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so when I was looking at Peter was one of his draft profile everything You just said kind of links to that in the sense of they said his athletic testing numbers are freakish for his size Verified 486 4490 pound bench 700 pound squat 33 inch vertical over 310 pounds that is crazy And they talk about his sideline to sideline range the way that he can move in that area The longs on a smaller frame guy and so
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think body-type wise, if you were just talking about the physical traits of Peter Woods, he's pretty much exactly what I think Dennis Allen and a bear's defense would want.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: But to your point, there's probably some other things that they're looking in this when it comes to, how is he going to come in and start right away?
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's one thing I don't know what the bears are going to do because they do have Javon Dexter and Grady Jared on the inside.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, Peter Woods be a rotational piece for a year and then be the starter to the following year.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that path may work better for him?
• 21:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be a great spot for him and you mentioned there's there's another Clemson alum in Jared right there.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So be a good little mentorship if he goes there But yeah, I think that's probably the right place for him and for most of these guys really I think any of them could start right away and be okay, but I don't know I know everybody the Eagles are like the trendy team to talk out with all this But I just the way that they seem to
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: They seem to stockpile guys who are maybe like a good solid like SEC rotation layer and they have enough depth where those guys don't have to start right away and then you just mix them in and they get more and more comfortable and again, they're not the only team that does that but I think about that is a good example, you know, the Georgia players is the running joke with them, but I think for like a woods or a parker.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Terrell and Miller are probably a little bit more ready to immediately start it and just do let that one really specialized skill.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think with both those guys, especially with how much defensive lines rotate and keeping guys fresh, I think, you know, being next to guys that are just as talented, if not more talented than them, at the pro level, having new coaching, new scheme, fresh start.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously, those those guys have like a chip on their shoulder, like they know
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Probably not make as much money as they were two years ago when they were getting projected to be a higher pick.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to come in, you know, with some chips on the shoulder, I think knowing that there's questions about them knowing that that production fell off ready to make an impact.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think a rotational spot not being the guy right away is probably the right way to kind of ease them in.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they both have good, good long careers to what level I'm not sure about.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they can stick around for a good while.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Our chapel before I let you go any of the other Clemson prospects.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you like anything called maybe aren't talking enough about?
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of different ways you can look at this, but anybody any names you want us to know a little bit better?
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, or I think our fire alarm is in this, that's done.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, quickly, I think Antonio Williams out of everybody that they've had that's going to get drafted this year.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: might have like the best pure numbers of anybody relative to this position in in 2026.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think he's kind of acted and been like a pro since he got on campus.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a 511, sturdy, strong, fast, slot receiver, total security blanket for cake, alumni, reliable, consistent, barely ever drops the ball.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of had some like injury availability issues, but really seemed to clean that up in his last two years.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Both of which were just like excellent, you know, basically close to a thousand.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: yards both years and just like a third-down machine like when Clemson beats South Carolina in the last game of the regular season this past year kind of a toss-up game, a lot of big third-downs.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I swear Antonio had like six or seven catches and most of them were on third-down and then he had one or two or three more catches on third-down that were called back to the epinota year or something.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you put him in the slot, get him with the quarterback that he's comfortable with, that kind of knows his style, and the heat geek him really good at work.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's versatile, he can take end around, so throw the ball on trick plays and stuff like that.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could totally see him go and late first, early second, or even like, Tekken or third round.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you know, some random good team.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's true, like throw him on the chiefs, like my home's good, like,
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mister cook up with him like I think he's going to be like a bit of a fantasy darling like late in the year Yeah, right not saying he'll be anything close to all on Ross ain't brown, but if you remember he kind of came on you're the end of his rookie season I could see Antonio doing that whether it's I don't know chiefs cowboys one of these good offenses packers so many that kind of can sling it around and once a
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: third or fourth or fifth receive it a kind of throw into the mix.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let me know.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will not be shuffled.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: No cat.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: No cat.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think of everybody that we've mentioned.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would be surprised if any of these guys have a good rookie year and are like all rookie team.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: but just having watched Antonio up close and what he did for Cape Lebanon, like club mix on off numbers when Antonio Williams has helped in on the field, it was a pretty drastic change.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think, definitely my full endorsement, I think he's gonna wherever he goes, I think he's gonna be really good.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's an end-state kid too, and her Columbia went to club since so a lot of people in the state are high on him as well in a route for him.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And always like whenever like in-state kids go to an in-state college and play out.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's just good for good for high school sports and football and like the synergy of everything.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a fun class.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think he might be at the top at it at the end of this year.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is fun.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love when that happens.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bears have several guys that went to high school in the Chicago area grew up bears fans, so it's fun when you get like I can't imagine being drafted by the team.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: You grew up cheering for and liking and you know growing up on the street from which I thought I really appreciate your time.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Really fun.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, a lot of those guys kind of in that range of the bears.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see if we end up with any clumps and tigers, but
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you guys get a little bit of a resurgence this year.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know there was a little bit of a let down for it, but that was a great coach and I feel like you should see a little bit of a bounce back.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Clips and it has finally gone into the transfer portal, which probably the majority of their fans would have said, hey, why don't you do that five years ago?
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've gotten a lot of transfer defensive players.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't sign a transfer quarterback, I will say.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So club mix, main backup, Christopher Vazena is kind of going to be their guy for better for worse.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think we'll learn a lot on Saturday, September 5th.
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is when they open at LSU against Lane Kiff and what I'm sure would be like an 8 p.m.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, APM kick off with like the drunkest fans you've ever seen in that movie.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we if you just want to know what Clemson season is possibly
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like tune it to into that game, and I think like how they play in that game, if they can even somewhat measure up to get blown out, whatever that score is, if they can kind of be indicative of what way this season goes, because it was like that last year, the LSU game had never really recovered from that close slot.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it'll it'll be a fun and different one.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, a lot of a lot of good guys from last year's team that will be in the pros instead of on that field.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how they adjust.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: One buddy hit the portal a little bit.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate your time again, and I'm sure we'll we'll try to get if we get any of these clips and guys I'll have you back to talk to them.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.