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CLOSING IN: REPORTS D4VD FINALLY VIEWED AS SUSPECT, TEEN CELESTE'S BODY IN TRUNK, HAD 'HELP' DISMEMBERING · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace closing in reports of surfacing.
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Speaker 2: That the musician D four VD known as David David
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Speaker 2: Anthony Burke, is finally being viewed as a suspect in
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Speaker 2: Team Girl Celeste's murder, her body found in his Tesla trunk.
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Speaker 2: I missed more reports the killer had help dismembering.
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Speaker 1: The little girl. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Oh yo,
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Speaker 1: what way? Wait?
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Speaker 2: All?
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Speaker 3: Is that we don't even know really when when Celestia
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Speaker 3: was last scene alive.
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Speaker 2: We don't know how long she was dead for.
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Speaker 1: We don't know how Celeste died.
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Speaker 2: We know that she was dismembered, but how does she die?
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Speaker 3: It's obviously pretty homicide Reports emerging from sources within the
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Speaker 3: LA PD that musician David Anthony Burke aka D four
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Speaker 3: VD David.
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Speaker 1: Is finally being viewed as a suspect in the murder
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Speaker 1: of teen girls Celestes death.
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Speaker 2: As we all recall, her body found largely decomposed in
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Speaker 2: his trunk.
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Speaker 1: That vehicle moved and moved.
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Speaker 2: And moved from one spot to the next within a
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Speaker 2: ritzy neighborhood. Why because we know the owners of those
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Speaker 2: mega mansions would report the filthy car as being parked
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Speaker 2: outside their home.
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Speaker 1: So someone was moving and moving and moving.
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Speaker 2: Defour vd's tesla inside Celestes decomposing body.
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Speaker 1: What has changed? What has happened?
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Speaker 2: Why is defour VD David now reportedly being viewed as
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Speaker 2: a suspect, this result in murder charges? How can this
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Speaker 2: be without a toxicology report as of yet? But to
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Speaker 2: Dave Matt, crime stories, investigative report of what I consider
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Speaker 2: to be really validating what many court viewers knew. That
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Speaker 2: dfour VD is being considered as a suspect, although it
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Speaker 2: has not been officially announced.
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Speaker 1: Is the change in the timeline? Now we are learning.
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Speaker 2: That police sources believe Celeste was killed back in the
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Speaker 2: spring and Bob Shell tonight police also looking at a
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Speaker 2: road trip taken into a remote area by dfour VD
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Speaker 2: in the spring where he stayed in that remote area
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Speaker 2: for hours before returning back. I can only assume this
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Speaker 2: information is coming from his NAV system or is there
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Speaker 2: a rat within Burke's camp because tonight I definitely smell
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Speaker 2: a rat. Let's start at the beginning, Dave Matt, what
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Speaker 2: do you know.
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, we know that D four VD took a
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Speaker 4: trip to Santa Barbara County, which is about one hundred
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Speaker 4: miles from the house that he was renting, and taking
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Speaker 4: about two hours to drive. Okay, So he takes this
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Speaker 4: drive in the middle of the night in the spring
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Speaker 4: of this year, and he stays there for a couple
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Speaker 4: of hours. Now they say, remote area of Santa Barbara.
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Speaker 4: You've ever been to Santa Barbara. Remote area can include
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Speaker 4: probably eighty percent of the surrounding area, big area, and
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Speaker 4: you could actually be there and not be seen for
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Speaker 4: a long time. He was there for hours. Now they're
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Speaker 4: also saying they believe I'm talking about the police investigation
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Speaker 4: is saying to this source they believe so Less died
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Speaker 4: sometime in the spring of twenty twenty five. So we
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Speaker 4: have Burke driving in the middle of the night to
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Speaker 4: Santa Barbarie County in the spring of twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 4: and we have them saying ce letst died in the
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Speaker 4: spring twenty twenty five. That's for starters, Nancy, this is
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Speaker 4: a bombshell.
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Speaker 1: That is major.
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Speaker 2: Dave mac I know that the headlines all across the
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Speaker 2: world are D four VD. David Anthony Burke is finally
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Speaker 2: being viewed as a suspect, although.
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Speaker 1: LAPD is not confirming that.
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Speaker 2: To me, the real bombshell tonight is that we believe
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Speaker 2: she was killed back in the spring.
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Speaker 1: What efforts were being.
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Speaker 2: Taken by those within D four vd's camp to conceal
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Speaker 2: her death pretending she was still alive.
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Speaker 1: That's what we're looking at tonight. This is a major
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Speaker 1: change in the investigation.
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Speaker 2: Dave mac straight out to Professor Forensicks, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 2: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and start
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Speaker 2: of a hit new series, Body Bags, with Joe Scott
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Speaker 2: Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan joining US death investigator who has
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Speaker 2: investigated literally thousands of deaths, not just homicides, suicide, natural causes, accident, unexplained,
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Speaker 2: and of course homicide. This is very confusing to us
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Speaker 2: on the outside looking in, Joe Scott, But the reality is,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure the medical examiner, when she saw the remains
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Speaker 2: could very likely state, oh no, this child has been
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Speaker 2: dead since the spring.
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Speaker 1: You know, we were working off a.
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Speaker 2: Timeline putting her alive as late as September. So what
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Speaker 2: would be the difference, Joe Scott, I know this is
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Speaker 2: a tough question. There's a lot of variables and decomposing body,
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Speaker 2: and guys, I'm sorry that we are talking so analytically
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Speaker 2: and clinically about a little girl, Celeste, but this is
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Speaker 2: what the trial will boil down to, if there ever
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Speaker 2: is a trial her decomposed remains, Joe Scott, if her
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Speaker 2: body had been decomposing since September as opposed to the
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Speaker 2: spring months before, what would be different when the medical
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Speaker 2: examiner opened those bags, I'll.
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Speaker 5: Tell you precisely. And this is one of the reasons
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Speaker 5: we still don't have a cause of death is the
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Speaker 5: fact that put this in as delicate terms as possible,
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Speaker 5: the tissue remaining on her body would have the consistency
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Speaker 5: perhaps of jello. All right, it will have broken down
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Speaker 5: to a point where some of her remains will have
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Speaker 5: been liquefied to that point if in fact, this new
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Speaker 5: timeline is in effect, and that's going to impact a
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Speaker 5: variety of different areas, like say, for instance, Nancy, we're
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Speaker 5: looking for soft tissue trauma like contusions, or even to
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Speaker 5: a certain degree, things like sharp edged weapons or even
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Speaker 5: bullet defects. That's going to compromise your ability to visualize
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Speaker 5: those things. So you have to be reliant and I
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Speaker 5: can let down.
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Speaker 1: Tell you slow down, Joe Scott. Yeah, can I put
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Speaker 1: it in regular people talk? Yeah, sure, I don't see it.
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Speaker 2: So much as jello is more like, come, did your
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Speaker 2: children ever make slime?
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Speaker 1: Slime is that gooey children make? It's a little thicker
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Speaker 1: than jello, but when you pick it up, it's good
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Speaker 1: thicker than jello.
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Speaker 2: I think what you're saying is that if her body
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Speaker 2: had been in that trunk since the spring, she would
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Speaker 2: be gelatinous like.
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Speaker 1: Yes, goo, and therefore, if she.
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Speaker 2: Had decomposed to that point you listed several things, I'd
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Speaker 2: like you to go back over it again, if you
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Speaker 2: don't mind. If that is a state of her remains,
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Speaker 2: how in the world can we find a knife mark,
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Speaker 2: a bullet wound, a soft tissue marking such as a bruise,
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Speaker 2: or a subcutaneous hemorrhage.
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Speaker 1: Yep, it's all gone.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we retreat back to this idea of doing X rays,
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Speaker 5: and what you're going to be looking at, potentially, Nancy,
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Speaker 5: is insults to the underlying skeletal structure. Okay, So if
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Speaker 5: you think about, like if we talked about a knife wound,
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Speaker 5: for instance, it's going to be you know, knife winds,
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Speaker 5: just like projectiles fired from a weapon, actually have a
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Speaker 5: wound track where you follow kind of the hemorrhage line
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Speaker 5: that goes. What you're hoping for in a case like
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Speaker 5: this is to see if there's any kind of indwelling
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Speaker 5: trauma on the surface of the bony structures, and that
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Speaker 5: can easily be documented. Nancy, when they would have removed
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Speaker 5: these bags, and everybody needs to really grab hold of this,
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Speaker 5: they would have X rayed the contents of these bags
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Speaker 5: ever before, or they actually removed the remains from the
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Speaker 5: bags to this point.
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Speaker 1: Let me see him, Let me see him. Hold on.
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Speaker 2: So okay, here's another thing. Everybody on the panel, hear this.
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, stay with me. According to a source within
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Speaker 2: the LAPD, it was obvious when they saw the bags
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Speaker 2: that she had been dismembered. Now we are left to
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Speaker 2: interpret that. So dismembered she was, according to the source. So,
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, you're telling me that when we get the
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Speaker 2: body to the morgue, and remember they likely take the
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Speaker 2: body out of the tazla loaded on to the morgue vehicle,
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Speaker 2: so it's getting jostled gets to the morgue, you're saying
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Speaker 2: before her remains are removed from the bag and or bags, Yep,
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Speaker 2: their X rayed in inside the bag.
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Speaker 5: Why inside? Because you don't want to lose anything, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: That bag is essentially all you have that's holding everything
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Speaker 5: together at that point. And I've had cases like this
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Speaker 5: where the bags have actually ruptured. That's that's a total
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Speaker 5: nightmare for you. And can I point out one more thing, Nancy,
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Speaker 5: because I was just talking about sharp force here and
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Speaker 5: I don't know that that's involved. I do know that
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Speaker 5: if we're talking about dismemberment, that sharp force posts them
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Speaker 5: mortem in the post mortem state, that means after death,
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Speaker 5: sharp force is involved in that. So this even further complicates,
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Speaker 5: you know, how do you delineate between what happened prior
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Speaker 5: to death and what we call the anti mortem state
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Speaker 5: and what happened after death in the post mortem state.
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Speaker 5: This just kind of doubles the problem here for La
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Speaker 5: County Corner. And they've got a great staff they see it.
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Speaker 2: I got to make a note of that, and I'm
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Speaker 2: going to come back to Joeanni Evis on how I
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Speaker 2: believe they're going to determine if it's post mortem dismember
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Speaker 2: or an injury.
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Speaker 1: While she's still alive.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I told Jasamella Raight, somebody is going to be singing,
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Speaker 2: if not tonight, in the near future, because we know,
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Speaker 2: according to the leak, he the killer did not do
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Speaker 2: this alone. He had have help dismembering the body. According
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Speaker 2: to the report in a state of her remains, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 2: if she is in fact dead since the spring, which
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Speaker 2: coincides with that late night trip out to the remote
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Speaker 2: area near Santa Barbara.
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Speaker 1: You're going to have to have a witness.
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Speaker 2: You're going to have to have somebody raped. Now, that
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Speaker 2: would be the nature of her remains if she was
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Speaker 2: killed back in the spring. Okay, Now, how would it
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Speaker 2: differ if she was killed in September, which.
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Speaker 1: Is what we were led to believe.
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Speaker 2: And I want to tell you one of the reasons
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Speaker 2: we were led to believe that.
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Speaker 6: Listen from the time he was moved to that last spot,
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Speaker 6: which is on Bluebird. So on July twenty ninth, when
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Speaker 6: I saw those like eleven in the morning, later that
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Speaker 6: evening they begin the tour and they actually leave that
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Speaker 6: evening for San Francisco for the first show.
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Speaker 2: So there you go to Moses Castillo joining us private
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Speaker 2: investigator for the Dordoulian Law Group, former supervising detective from LAPD.
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Speaker 2: I bet they are spinning like a top over this
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Speaker 2: leak tonight. That's a whole other canon worms. That's their problem.
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Speaker 2: I'm concerned with the timeline. We were misled, not on purpose,
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Speaker 2: but because of when the car, the tesla was first
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Speaker 2: part on that street. That was a different date. It
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Speaker 2: was not back in the spring. It was much more recent,
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Speaker 2: and many people naturally assumed that is when the death occurred.
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Speaker 1: But we're wrong. We're wrong, And now we're learning.
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Speaker 2: That authorities believe this child was killed all the way
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Speaker 2: back in the spring. That changes everything.
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Speaker 7: Moses, Yes, absolute, Nancy. I think the police are going
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Speaker 7: way back to the very first time she was reported
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Speaker 7: missing and turned to establish a timeline, who saw her
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Speaker 7: during that time period, who saw her shortly thereafter, And
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Speaker 7: they're following every GPS data on that tesla and that's
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Speaker 7: how they found that area about Santa Barbara County.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about the league, Mosies Castillo, this
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Speaker 2: is your department. You were years with the LAPD. Why
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Speaker 2: is this leaking now?
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Speaker 7: Well, they want to share the pot, they want to
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Speaker 7: get the attention out there because maybe they reached the
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Speaker 7: point in their investigation where they need help from the public,
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Speaker 7: like you said earlier, So there's a rat. Somebody out
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Speaker 7: there has information that could help the detectives solve this
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Speaker 7: case and bring justice to cledus in her family, and
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Speaker 7: that I think is a strateing an you that isn't listen.
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Speaker 8: Shocking new information from Fisher Celeste was in contact with
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Speaker 8: a family member in early July, weeks before the tesla
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Speaker 8: was parked on the street PI. Fisher is baffled that
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Speaker 8: Burke has not made any public comment about Celeste's body
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Speaker 8: being found in his car and hasn't offered condolences of
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Speaker 8: any kind. Burke's tour continued after the car was towed
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Speaker 8: and body found, and was only canceled when the remains
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Speaker 8: were identified as Celeste. So far, the police have no
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Speaker 8: suspect or person of interest.
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Speaker 2: Dave Matt joining US Crime Towards investigative reporter that report
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Speaker 2: was based on information we believe came from members within
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Speaker 2: defour VID's camp that Celeste had been in touch with
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Speaker 2: her family that has not been verified with the family,
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Speaker 2: which leads me to wonder has there been a gigantic
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Speaker 2: russe to suggest Celeste was still alive when in fact
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Speaker 2: she was dead, much like the Gabby Petito roos affected
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Speaker 2: by Brian laundry. And remember when he was coming across
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Speaker 2: the country in Gabby Patito's van, texting her family as
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Speaker 2: if his Gabby Patito. And this contact that was allegedly
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Speaker 2: made by Celeste to her family, we don't know if
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Speaker 2: it was a message, a text, an email. It could
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Speaker 2: have been anything or nothing. So are we looking at
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Speaker 2: the possibility this child was killed in the spring and
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Speaker 2: then a cover up ensued making people believe she was
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Speaker 2: still alive.
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Speaker 1: That's evil. Dave mac nancy.
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Speaker 4: I think they went so far as to remember the
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Speaker 4: concert in Silver Springs, Maryland on August twenty fourth, where
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Speaker 4: there was a Celeste Revas look alike that was in
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Speaker 4: the backstage area up on the balcony looking down on
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Speaker 4: the concert, dressed in the same clothing that has been
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Speaker 4: described as was on the dismembered remains found in that tesla.
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Speaker 4: I think this is part of that story. See, they're
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Speaker 4: trying to put an out this thing. See she's there,
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Speaker 4: she's she was at that concert, but in reality we
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Speaker 4: don't have confirmation that.
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Speaker 1: She You know what else, Dave mac all along.
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Speaker 2: There were people online saying that's not Celeste. But she
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Speaker 2: was wearing Celeste tube top and Celeste ripped jeans.
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Speaker 1: She had her hair done like Celeste.
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Speaker 2: From the get go, and we're showing you the video
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Speaker 2: there and in the circle there is either Celeste or
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Speaker 2: Celeste look alike. But it seems so far fetched that
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Speaker 2: it would.
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Speaker 1: Not be Celested. Look at this. We were warned. There
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Speaker 1: were red.
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Speaker 2: Red flags, ringing bells of alarm, people saying that's not Celeste.
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Speaker 2: You know to doctor Jerlyn Utter joining us clinical psychologists
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Speaker 2: specializing in.
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Speaker 1: Cases just like this.
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Speaker 2: She is the author of Maintaining Phillies, Survival, Hope and
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Speaker 2: Resisting Drug Addiction and so much more. Doctor, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us. That would be quite an elaborate
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Speaker 2: cover up, would it not?
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Speaker 9: Absolutely it would It would be very a very elaborate
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Speaker 9: cover up. But when you look at this situation with
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Speaker 9: David or d four VD however you want to, you know,
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Speaker 9: reference him, there's a lot of image protection. This is
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Speaker 9: this is a young person that he was involved in
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Speaker 9: that was a child, that was a minor. He's an
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Speaker 9: adult and he's also trying to you know, make make
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Speaker 9: way of this big music career. So it's elaborate in
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Speaker 9: the sense that he's trying to protect himself and his image,
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Speaker 9: and the people are around him are also trying to
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Speaker 9: do that. Another thing that I just want to mention
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Speaker 9: Nancy is is is the the tesla. The abandoned tesla
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Speaker 9: is a huge red flag. Think about it. If he
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Speaker 9: had any type of relationship with Celeste at all, any
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Speaker 9: innocent person or person that had any type of empathy
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Speaker 9: or remorse would would at least, at the very least
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Speaker 9: offer condolences to the family. There's a lot of emotional flatness,
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Speaker 9: there's a lot of what we call emotional compartmentalization, where
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Speaker 9: this is classic avoidant behavior because he's trying to protect
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Speaker 9: himself in his image. He doesn't really care potentially about
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Speaker 9: what's happened to this poor girl. So when you look
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Speaker 9: at it from a psychological perspective, you see secretcy, you
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Speaker 9: see emotional flatness, you see emotional compartmentalization with the main
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Speaker 9: goal as to protect image.
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Speaker 2: Well, also to you, Dave Mack joining US Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter, speaking of a cover up, did you see
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Speaker 2: the photos were just showing there was a lengthy track
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Speaker 2: record of covering up, because in most of the photos
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Speaker 2: in which Celeste was featured, she's covering her face. She
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Speaker 2: what other girl thirty fourteen, fifteen do you know that
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Speaker 2: typically covers their face in photos that are going to
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Speaker 2: be posted time after time after time. A pocketbook, a
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Speaker 2: hand an iPhone, you name it. That was intentional. So
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Speaker 2: the covering up has gone on for a long time.
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Speaker 2: That right there is taken from a video which was
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Speaker 2: then deleted.
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Speaker 4: From what we have found in looking into this investigation,
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Speaker 4: there's no clear shot of Celestreeves with Burke at all.
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Speaker 4: She's always got a hand up. There's always something blocking
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Speaker 4: our view, so we can't identify her. And I'm telling
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Speaker 4: you this is so heavy handed. When you actually break
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Speaker 4: it down, you're going, why didn't we see this earlier?
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Speaker 4: Because they knew, I mean, Burke's twenty years old. We've
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Speaker 4: got a girl here that turned fifteen after her body
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Speaker 4: was found in that tesla. So back it up and
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Speaker 4: you're looking at there are some people who believe that
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Speaker 4: the relationship between Burke and Celeste began when she was
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Speaker 4: twelve Nancy, and they have been practiced at preventing her
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Speaker 4: from being photographed clearly with Burke. Ever since.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Joanna and Hanna's joining us
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Speaker 2: the under a criminal defense attorney founder of the Nievs
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Speaker 2: Law Firm, a.
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Speaker 1: Lot happening tonight.
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Speaker 2: The timeline change is a massive, massive difference than what
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Speaker 2: was thought before, and it changes all of the evidence.
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Speaker 2: But Joanna Nievis, here's the thing, isn't it true? When
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Speaker 2: you've got a crime bad enough to defend, it's hard enough.
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Speaker 2: But when you have an elaborate cover up trying to
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Speaker 2: make it look as if Celester was still alive, a
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Speaker 2: lot of people probably knew about that. That's not easy
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Speaker 2: to cover your tracks for that many months.
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Speaker 1: If that is in fact true, that could be the
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Speaker 1: kill undoing the cover.
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Speaker 10: Up absolutely, Nancy. I think the thing is it would
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Speaker 10: definitely be a major conspiracy for people to be participating
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Speaker 10: and taking acts to cover up a crime in that fashion,
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Speaker 10: if there is evidence to support that. Right now, what
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Speaker 10: we have is a tight lip law enforcement agency that
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Speaker 10: isn't releasing a whole lot of information, and the reports
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Speaker 10: that are going around are the suspicions and the hunches
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Speaker 10: and what could possibly have happened. But the prosecution can't
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Speaker 10: convict on the hunch and we're just wanting to see
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Speaker 10: we need to see a bit more evidence to support
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Speaker 10: any of those type of allegations, whether it's a huge cable.
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Speaker 1: Dead body decomposing in his trunk.
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Speaker 10: Yes, because we still don't even know, like you were
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Speaker 10: talking about with the anti mortem post mortem injuries. We
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Speaker 10: don't know whether or not there were injuries to that
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Speaker 10: body that would support that a crime of murder was
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Speaker 10: actually committed. If all of these are post mortem wounds.
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Speaker 10: If anything like that is found, we can still argue mutilation, transport,
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Speaker 10: concealment of the body. But are we really going to
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Speaker 10: get to the crime of murder and whether or not
22:12
Speaker 10: dfour VD is actually the person who committed that or
22:16
Speaker 10: does the nature of the involvement in the crime maybe
22:20
Speaker 10: it was limited to a potential cover up and an
22:24
Speaker 10: involvement maybe knowledge, but who committed the act if he's
22:28
Speaker 10: actually named as suspect and investigated for that crime.
22:33
Speaker 8: The LAPED has been working on a timeline of activity
22:36
Speaker 8: for Celeste and Burke, and an insider with the police
22:38
Speaker 8: investigation says they've been able to determine that in the
22:42
Speaker 8: spring of this year, Burke took a secret trip in
22:45
Speaker 8: the middle of the night to a remote area of
22:48
Speaker 8: Santa Barbara County. Burke remained in the area for several hours.
22:53
Speaker 11: Bloody remains are found in a vehicle. Register to you
22:59
Speaker 11: yet continue on this world tour like nothing was found
23:04
Speaker 11: in your car.
23:05
Speaker 2: How can somebody put a then thirteen year old little
23:08
Speaker 2: girl in a trunk and leave the car there for
23:11
Speaker 2: weeks on end?
23:14
Speaker 8: As Burke becomes a suspect in the possible homicide of
23:17
Speaker 8: a child, police say it is likely Burke had help
23:20
Speaker 8: in dismembering and disposing of Celest's body. Burke still has
23:24
Speaker 8: not made a public announcement about Celeste being found in
23:27
Speaker 8: his car, and after initially saying Burke was cooperating with
23:30
Speaker 8: the investigation, the singer has not been cooperative during the
23:34
Speaker 8: last two months.
23:35
Speaker 2: Bomb Shell tonight, according to sources within the LAPD says
23:39
Speaker 2: KNBC D four f D aka David Anthony Burke is
23:45
Speaker 2: being investigated as a suspect in the death of.
23:50
Speaker 1: Teen girl Celeste Rivas.
23:53
Speaker 2: We are also learning, contrary to prior reports, that he
23:57
Speaker 2: has not been cooperative through the investigation.
24:01
Speaker 1: And I'm just curious. Does it have anything to do
24:04
Speaker 1: with this.
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Speaker 12: Not at all. My dad is a litigator for a
24:08
Speaker 12: law firm.
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Speaker 5: I thought there was a teacher.
24:10
Speaker 12: Oh, she doesn't do it anymore, but she doesn't not know.
24:13
Speaker 2: That is from and the writer is on a YouTube,
24:17
Speaker 2: So I mean, think about it. To most of Castillo
24:23
Speaker 2: joining me, former LAPD, you got a trial lawyer for
24:26
Speaker 2: a dad, according to Burke himself, and a notary as
24:29
Speaker 2: a mom. I guess they did tell him to shut
24:34
Speaker 2: his pie hole. He hasn't said a word. Now, what
24:38
Speaker 2: can be used at trial are all actions behavior patterns before, during,
24:46
Speaker 2: and after a crime. Under the law, of course, a
24:50
Speaker 2: defendant has a right to remain silent. But if she
24:55
Speaker 2: really went missing all the way back in the spring
24:58
Speaker 2: and he never said a word, that's damning.
25:04
Speaker 1: Do you agree?
25:05
Speaker 7: Absolutely? I agree not on need him not saying anything,
25:09
Speaker 7: but his actions of transferring. There's some reports he's transferring
25:13
Speaker 7: his properties to his mom under his mom's name. What
25:16
Speaker 7: does that tell you that he's afraid of potentious civil litigation.
25:19
Speaker 9: Of a row for death lawsuit.
25:20
Speaker 7: So all that points to a consciousness of guilt in
25:23
Speaker 7: my mind and Natcy, every day there's justice delayed, it's
25:27
Speaker 7: justice denied, and we need to fight for a transparency
25:30
Speaker 7: and we need this done so that we could get
25:34
Speaker 7: who were responsible accountable.
25:36
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that sermon. I do.
25:41
Speaker 2: But what I'd like to point out, Moses Castillo, is
25:45
Speaker 2: that every day that goes by, we lose evidence, we
25:50
Speaker 2: lose witnesses, Evidence is cleaned away.
25:52
Speaker 1: From the home. I heard that it's been professionally cleaned.
25:55
Speaker 1: Now all that.
25:57
Speaker 2: Evidence is gone to Joe Scott, Morgan's wining US Death
26:00
Speaker 2: Investigator Joe Scott.
26:03
Speaker 1: The dismemberment of a.
26:05
Speaker 2: Body is no easy thing, and I wonder where the
26:10
Speaker 2: body was dismembered. We know lapd comed defour vd's mansion.
26:17
Speaker 1: We've had cases and you and I have.
26:19
Speaker 2: Investigated them and covered them where you actually see on
26:23
Speaker 2: camera on surveillance video someone taking a body out of
26:27
Speaker 2: the home. We've watched that, including the body of a
26:31
Speaker 2: teen girl. This is video of a little girl, Miranda Corset,
26:37
Speaker 2: out of Florida. You see her walking into the murder
26:42
Speaker 2: of defendant's home and being carried out in a blanket.
26:49
Speaker 2: Does surveillance video around the home the mansion of David
26:53
Speaker 2: Anthony Burke show the last time Celesto Reevas left his
26:58
Speaker 2: home like Marie, did she walk in and get carried out?
27:04
Speaker 2: And if so, when And this is not just about
27:08
Speaker 2: Burke's video. What about neighbor's surveillance video. Don't forget his
27:14
Speaker 2: tesla has three hundred and sixty degree cameras?
27:19
Speaker 1: Who loaded her in the trunk?
27:22
Speaker 2: Or has the info stick been removed from the car
27:28
Speaker 2: and destroyed? Was the body dismembered in that mansion or
27:33
Speaker 2: was it taken out too, for instance a remote area
27:37
Speaker 2: outside Santa Barbara and dismembered to Joe Scott Morgan, don't
27:42
Speaker 2: you think there would be evidence inside the mansion if
27:44
Speaker 2: the body was dismembered there.
27:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we still don't know, you know what they
27:48
Speaker 5: have found. And so here's here's what you're looking at
27:52
Speaker 5: with dismemberment, Nancy. One of the things that's always left
27:56
Speaker 5: behind is going to be obviously blood deposition. Now that
28:00
Speaker 5: can either be with velocity. Say, I've worked cases involving
28:04
Speaker 5: like power tools, and it distributes much like a firearm would. Okay. Also,
28:10
Speaker 5: you're going to have things elements like bone dust that
28:13
Speaker 5: people don't think about, just like sawdust that's created with bone.
28:18
Speaker 5: One thing that you do need, though, is you need privacy.
28:22
Speaker 5: You need generally an electrical source unless you're using hand tools,
28:27
Speaker 5: and you do not need to be bothered in any
28:30
Speaker 5: way while you're doing this. The individuals that would have
28:33
Speaker 5: been involved in this process would have also be covered
28:38
Speaker 5: in tissue themselves. So it's a big, big mess. It's
28:42
Speaker 5: even bigger, say, for instance, in cases we've covered where
28:45
Speaker 5: it's a bludgeoning or just a straight up stabbing, because
28:48
Speaker 5: now you're going even further. I think one of the
28:52
Speaker 5: questions that I have was there a place that she
28:57
Speaker 5: could have been taken, either in the post mortem state
29:01
Speaker 5: or the anti mortem state to facilitate this, and also
29:05
Speaker 5: if they had panicked, for instance, after they started this process,
29:09
Speaker 5: if she was stowed in another location and then brought
29:13
Speaker 5: back and the tesla happened to be the spot that
29:16
Speaker 5: they landed on. Okay, we're gonna put her in the tesla.
29:18
Speaker 5: After we've had her in this location, the body begins
29:22
Speaker 5: to become foul. That can't keep her in the house
29:24
Speaker 5: any longer or at some other isolated location where she
29:27
Speaker 5: can be found. So there's a lot of movement that's
29:30
Speaker 5: going on here, and it's going to be very very
29:32
Speaker 5: difficult to track this The big thing is looking for
29:35
Speaker 5: trace evidence back in that primary residence, and then if
29:39
Speaker 5: they can locate that location out in Santa Barbara County somewhere,
29:45
Speaker 5: is there anything of value there that may have been
29:48
Speaker 5: left behind?
29:50
Speaker 2: You know, I've been thinking about the condition of her body.
29:53
Speaker 2: Those mansion photos were from our friend Harvey Levin over
29:56
Speaker 2: at TMZ. Imagine since soft tissue is the first thing
30:02
Speaker 2: to go that, there's no way we're going to be
30:05
Speaker 2: able to determine from the particia in her eye eyes
30:09
Speaker 2: whether she was asphyxiated.
30:11
Speaker 1: No way that's gone. Wouldn't you agree?
30:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, to a certain degree, I have seen partiki in
30:17
Speaker 5: advanced decomposition. Nancy, I got to make a confession here.
30:22
Speaker 5: There's something that's just like eating at me right now
30:24
Speaker 5: that I'm thinking about what I'm really concerned about in
30:27
Speaker 5: this case from a forensic standpoint, and that's going to
30:32
Speaker 5: be her talks. How are you going to land on
30:37
Speaker 5: an answer relative to talks? And if you can give
30:40
Speaker 5: me a little latitude here. One of the things that
30:42
Speaker 5: we do in cases of advancy composition. You know how
30:45
Speaker 5: we were talking about how the body begins to break down.
30:47
Speaker 5: We talked about this kind of gelatinous state that the
30:50
Speaker 5: body might be in. One of the things that's rather
30:53
Speaker 5: robust that you can go to is actually the liver
30:56
Speaker 5: and to a certain degree the brain as well. What
31:01
Speaker 5: we do is that what remains of the liver and
31:04
Speaker 5: the brain, we will take take samples of that and
31:08
Speaker 5: literally spin it down to the point where it liquefies.
31:13
Speaker 5: We can actually draw that up, Nancy and get what's
31:16
Speaker 5: referred to as a qualitative finding, like were there any
31:22
Speaker 5: drugs in her system? Talking meth coch you know the
31:24
Speaker 5: standard panel that we run in the medical legal world.
31:28
Speaker 5: Now here's the problem. You're not going to be able
31:31
Speaker 5: to get a quantitative amount, you know, which is what
31:35
Speaker 5: we're looking for. If we're thinking about OD for instance,
31:38
Speaker 5: you can merely get a qualitative amount, and that says
31:42
Speaker 5: that these drugs were present. And the question now is
31:47
Speaker 5: how in the hell is a young girl like this
31:52
Speaker 5: getting access to these substances that is under the direct
31:56
Speaker 5: care of an individual that is an adult in her life. Remember,
32:01
Speaker 5: she's not been with her family, so how is she
32:03
Speaker 5: getting access to these trucks?
32:04
Speaker 2: Okay, let me well, don't you just said harsh reality
32:07
Speaker 2: is even in a body is for instance, mummified from
32:12
Speaker 2: being out in the desert or in some other difficult terrain,
32:17
Speaker 2: and the body literally dries up. The internal organs, such
32:22
Speaker 2: as the liver, can be put in a blender with
32:25
Speaker 2: some form of liquid such as sailine maybe centrila, and liquefied,
32:31
Speaker 2: you basically making a smoothie out of the internal organs,
32:36
Speaker 2: and from those organs, talks can be conducted. Toxicology lapse
32:42
Speaker 2: can be conducted on that.
32:44
Speaker 1: So even if her remains are.
32:46
Speaker 2: As you said, Jello, if she's been dead since the spring,
32:50
Speaker 2: even so that test can still be run. But you're
32:54
Speaker 2: saying you can't get a quantitative amount, which is the
32:58
Speaker 2: possibility of an overdose. You can't tell how much of
33:00
Speaker 2: it is in her system. You can just determine it
33:03
Speaker 2: is in her system. But you know, I got a
33:06
Speaker 2: problem with what you're saying. Here's the problem to doctor
33:11
Speaker 2: Jerlyn Utter. We keep hearing discussions of maybe she odd.
33:17
Speaker 2: Why are we hearing that if this was an accidental
33:20
Speaker 2: OD and anyone hoped to save her inside D four
33:24
Speaker 2: BD's mansion, they would have.
33:26
Speaker 1: Called nine one one.
33:27
Speaker 2: We don't want to think she was intentionally murdered.
33:33
Speaker 1: So we all come up with oh, it was likely.
33:36
Speaker 2: An overdose, and they panicked and got rid of her body.
33:39
Speaker 1: Excuse me, panicked and.
33:41
Speaker 2: Dismembered her body and left it in a trunk. That's
33:46
Speaker 2: not what people do when you want to save someone's life,
33:49
Speaker 2: when someone has an accident. So reminiscent a little Kille
33:54
Speaker 2: Anthony when topmham Casey Anthony wants us to believe Keilly
33:58
Speaker 2: died in the pool and then her dad decide, oh,
34:03
Speaker 2: let's just put her in a trash bag and throw
34:04
Speaker 2: in a swamp. That's a great idea instead of trying
34:07
Speaker 2: to revive her or have a funeral.
34:09
Speaker 1: That's total bs. So why do we want to believe
34:13
Speaker 1: this was an od because.
34:16
Speaker 9: It feels better that way psychologically, Nancy, I mean, this
34:19
Speaker 9: is D four, you know, VD or David whatever you
34:22
Speaker 9: want to reference him as. He was somebody that was
34:25
Speaker 9: coming up in the ranks. He was beloved, he had
34:27
Speaker 9: a following. It feels better to have to think, oh,
34:30
Speaker 9: this was an accident. I don't want to have to
34:31
Speaker 9: wrap my head around the fact person that I love
34:34
Speaker 9: and I admire and whose art or music I like did.
34:37
Speaker 2: Something like that.
34:38
Speaker 9: The other thing, when it comes to overdose, to your point,
34:40
Speaker 9: if she had an accidental overdose, you would think that
34:44
Speaker 9: people would would rush right away to call the police. Sadly,
34:47
Speaker 9: you know, we don't need it as often as we'd
34:49
Speaker 9: like to see it because people panic, and usually what
34:53
Speaker 9: they'll do is they might drive to an emergency room
34:55
Speaker 9: and just kind of drop someone off, or they might
34:57
Speaker 9: move her while she's still alive and overdose and put
35:01
Speaker 9: her on the side what sidewalk and call. To your point,
35:04
Speaker 9: the fact that we moved to dismemberment really just you know,
35:08
Speaker 9: it kind of makes you think, hey, maybe there was
35:10
Speaker 9: more fail play, not just simply an overdose your earlier question.
35:13
Speaker 9: We believe that people are capable of doing evil, terrible things,
35:17
Speaker 9: and again, someone who was an artist that was coming
35:20
Speaker 9: up through the ranks. Another thing we want to think
35:22
Speaker 9: of is she is a child. She is a minor.
35:25
Speaker 9: So there's so many layers to self protection, self preservation
35:29
Speaker 9: and protecting his image potentially that are involved in a
35:32
Speaker 9: case like this. But to your point, if it wasn't overdose,
35:35
Speaker 9: there were ten million other things that could have been
35:38
Speaker 9: done to protect quote unquote him in his camp while
35:41
Speaker 9: also trying to get this young child help.
35:43
Speaker 8: Shocking information uncovered by the LAPD has the investigation spotlight
35:48
Speaker 8: finally pointing on Burke. Investigators have developed new information that
35:52
Speaker 8: leads them to believe Celeste likely died in the spring
35:56
Speaker 8: of this year, and the death is being tentatively treated
35:59
Speaker 8: as possible homicide, but officials are waiting on an official
36:03
Speaker 8: cause of death from the medical examiner.
36:05
Speaker 2: All I need is one witness, one witness to crack
36:10
Speaker 2: one of Burke's insiders to tell the truth about the
36:14
Speaker 2: night Celeste dying.
36:17
Speaker 1: We will get answers as to what happened to Celeste.
36:23
Speaker 2: To read us bombshell tonight. According to sources within the
36:28
Speaker 2: lap D D four VD aka David Anthony Burke, known
36:34
Speaker 2: as David as a musician, is finally finally being considered
36:40
Speaker 2: as a suspect in the death of a little girl,
36:43
Speaker 2: teen girls Celeste found decomposing in his vehicle. The bombshell,
36:49
Speaker 2: not that he's being considered a suspect. Reportedly, many people
36:53
Speaker 2: already considered him a suspect or at least a POI
36:57
Speaker 2: person of interest, but.
36:59
Speaker 1: The time law this is a seismic shift.
37:02
Speaker 2: Now we are learning police believe this little girl died
37:06
Speaker 2: back in the spring, not in the fall, not in
37:10
Speaker 2: September when her body was found, but many many months
37:15
Speaker 2: before that. I'm going to circle back to Joe Scott
37:18
Speaker 2: Morgan with the possibilities she was dismembered in the desert, outside,
37:23
Speaker 2: in the terrain outside Santa Barbara, and what that would
37:26
Speaker 2: mean forensically, if dirt or soil could be found in
37:31
Speaker 2: that Tesla trunk from that area, what would that prove.
37:37
Speaker 2: But here's one of the reasons the timeline was off.
37:41
Speaker 8: It's a little weird to see a car that I
37:43
Speaker 8: haven't seen here for a long time, had a big
37:44
Speaker 8: dent on it had a Texas plate on it, so
37:47
Speaker 8: all a little odd. One neighbor says. The distinct looking
37:50
Speaker 8: Tesla was parked on the street for some time in
37:53
Speaker 8: front of the house that was searched, and later in
37:56
Speaker 8: two other spots on the street. The vehicle stood out
37:59
Speaker 8: because it has Texas plate and a big dent.
38:02
Speaker 2: From our friends at WABC.
38:12
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
38:17
Speaker 2: Back out to Dave mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, this
38:22
Speaker 2: is a seismic shift the timeline, and it opens up
38:26
Speaker 2: the possibility that there was not just a murder a
38:30
Speaker 2: cover up, but a very long cover up that lasted
38:34
Speaker 2: for months and was quite elaborate, suggesting that Celeste was
38:37
Speaker 2: still alive, thereby hiding the fact that she was dead
38:43
Speaker 2: and dismembered. So, Dave mac regarding the cover up, regarding
38:48
Speaker 2: the trip out into a remote area, You've studied the map.
38:54
Speaker 1: What area are they referring to? What is the.
38:59
Speaker 2: Most obvious remote area outside Santa Barbara.
39:03
Speaker 4: The one I'm looking at, Nancy, is a st Valley,
39:06
Speaker 4: which is a terrain that is it's difficult to drive
39:10
Speaker 4: it far in. You're going to do a lot of
39:12
Speaker 4: hiking to get around there. It's underdeveloped, and it is
39:16
Speaker 4: an area that really and truly could be a place
39:19
Speaker 4: where you could be left alone for a long long time.
39:22
Speaker 4: But Nancy, I want you mentioned the cover up. Okay,
39:25
Speaker 4: think about this when you're looking that long game that
39:29
Speaker 4: includes the staged Celeste look alike at the concert in August.
39:34
Speaker 4: Think about his new album Withard was coming out April
39:38
Speaker 4: to twenty fifth. They're not saying Celeste was dead in
39:43
Speaker 4: early spring. As we look at this old thing where
39:47
Speaker 4: they're always blocking her face so you can't see how
39:50
Speaker 4: she looked, can't identify her. I hate to say this,
39:53
Speaker 4: did they plan her death so that they could get
39:56
Speaker 4: her out of the way as the new album came out,
39:59
Speaker 4: and he goes is on his first world tour and
40:02
Speaker 4: they raise her with a look and stage the whole
40:06
Speaker 4: thing to justice.
40:08
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan try to erase.
40:12
Speaker 2: Dave max wacky conspiracy theory, although frankly, you know what,
40:16
Speaker 2: so much is changed in this case, maybe it's not
40:18
Speaker 2: that wacky after all. Just Scott Morgan, let's talk about
40:22
Speaker 2: that rugged area. If she was dismembered there with help,
40:28
Speaker 2: and I'm curious why ELI law enforcement is saying that
40:32
Speaker 2: the killer had helped dismembering her.
40:35
Speaker 1: That's another can of worms.
40:37
Speaker 2: But what would you expect to find on her body
40:41
Speaker 2: on those bags and possibly in the Tesla trunk?
40:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, you had mentioned earlier. You know, you begin to
40:48
Speaker 5: think of there's an area within forensics where we have
40:51
Speaker 5: forensic geology, where we begin to take a look at
40:54
Speaker 5: soul samples, and that's contained within the trace evidence area
40:58
Speaker 5: at the State crime Lab. So you actually can compare
41:01
Speaker 5: soil that is, say, for instance, if you're talking to
41:05
Speaker 5: you know, this house is where he was renting, is
41:07
Speaker 5: essentially adjacent to Chateau Marmont, the famous place where Belue
41:12
Speaker 5: she died and all of those things went down all
41:15
Speaker 5: those years ago. Well, that geology in that area, the
41:18
Speaker 5: type of oil there is completely different than say, this
41:22
Speaker 5: area where he is alleged to have gone. I got
41:25
Speaker 5: one more for you, Nancy. Remember what are they say?
41:29
Speaker 5: They're saying that there's chance she may have gone missing
41:33
Speaker 5: in the spring. Guess what happens in the spring. You've
41:36
Speaker 5: got new bloom going on. So the flora, that is,
41:40
Speaker 5: all of the plant life that is out in that area,
41:45
Speaker 5: there's a high potential that those species are completely different
41:49
Speaker 5: than you're going to find back in more coastal areas
41:52
Speaker 5: around La So in these bags, not only are they
41:55
Speaker 5: going to be looking for soil sample, they're also going
41:58
Speaker 5: to be looking for any kind kind of pollen that's
42:01
Speaker 5: on the body. That's another area with with forensics that
42:06
Speaker 5: we look at relative to this. So there's a lot
42:10
Speaker 5: of evidence if if they have taken their time with
42:13
Speaker 5: each one of these bags, with her body, any clothing
42:17
Speaker 5: that have may have been on there, there's a chance
42:20
Speaker 5: to harvest information there that might tell you about her path,
42:24
Speaker 5: at least from geographic standpoint.
42:27
Speaker 2: I want you to see a live stream video of
42:31
Speaker 2: D four VD David Anthony Burke and Celeste, which has
42:35
Speaker 2: recently resurfaced Watch.
42:37
Speaker 1: A way Way look answer that one? That one on one.
42:43
Speaker 12: It was good, big families, Oh thank you, Mitch, Mitchel, Kanzio,
42:53
Speaker 12: maz Can we delete all ods and then as soon
42:55
Speaker 12: as the team to the stream too?
42:58
Speaker 1: You know what that tells me?
43:00
Speaker 2: That again is a livestream video of David Anthony Burke
43:03
Speaker 2: and Celeste which resurfaced that D four VD. David Anthony
43:08
Speaker 2: Burke is very aware of any incriminating evidence. He knows
43:14
Speaker 2: to delete it, get rid of it, don't let it
43:16
Speaker 2: stay on the air. We know that there was a
43:19
Speaker 2: long history of covering Celeste's face whenever they were photographed together.
43:24
Speaker 2: What else, if anything, would he cover up? And I
43:29
Speaker 2: want to address something, Joanna, and the evis the veteran
43:33
Speaker 2: trial lawyer said. She said, well, you know, if the
43:36
Speaker 2: body is so decomposed, we may never know cod cause
43:40
Speaker 2: of death, and therefore we won't know whether this was
43:42
Speaker 2: a murder. I want you to imagine something, Joanne. Go
43:46
Speaker 2: to the back recesses of your mind and imagine a
43:49
Speaker 2: sinking ship about to go under in a turbulent storm.
43:55
Speaker 2: Imagine rats, rats, rodents running across the deck of the
44:01
Speaker 2: ship not knowing what to do. A sinking ship with
44:06
Speaker 2: rats running across the deck, you don't think one of
44:10
Speaker 2: those rodents will grab onto anything.
44:13
Speaker 1: To save its own skin.
44:16
Speaker 2: Yes, somebody within dfour vd's camp knows exactly what happened,
44:23
Speaker 2: and we have learned from private investigator Steve Fisher, who
44:26
Speaker 2: can no longer comment, I imagine because he's going to
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Speaker 2: be a witness that he saw who was driving the
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Speaker 2: Tuzla parking it here, parking it there?
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Speaker 1: Was it D four VD.
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you he had a minion do that a friend,
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Speaker 2: and that friend knows everything. There are multiple people living
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Speaker 2: in that mansion. Someone is going to try their best
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Speaker 2: to save their own skin, like those rats on the
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Speaker 2: ship deck, and they are going to rat out on
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Speaker 2: David Anthony.
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Speaker 10: Pressure bus pipes, and I agree with that. When your
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Speaker 10: life and your livelihood is on the line, it is
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Speaker 10: not difficult to apply the pressure and get somebody to break. Now,
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Speaker 10: will that confession or that big reveal actually point to
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Speaker 10: D four VD That still remains unknown? You know, maybe
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Speaker 10: he is aware. Obviously there is something going on that
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Speaker 10: there is a level of awareness and knowledge, But what
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Speaker 10: we don't know is who the actual culprit was of
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Speaker 10: what happened through Celeste.
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Speaker 8: Investigators have made contact with several people involved in the case,
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Speaker 8: some more involved than others, but all in some capacity
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Speaker 8: that leads detectives to believe they are certain they're going
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Speaker 8: down the right path for a suspect. Even with the
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Speaker 8: new information about the investigation, no one has been arrested
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Speaker 8: and the investigation is ongoing.
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Speaker 2: We here at crime stories would be remiss if we
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Speaker 2: don't ask questions about Celeste Rivas's parents. How can she
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Speaker 2: be missing all this time, even possibly dead since the spring?
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Speaker 2: And they alerted no one? How much, if any blame
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Speaker 2: is attributed to them? Where was mommy? Where was Daddy.
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Speaker 1: Tonight?
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Speaker 2: This investigation is ongoing. The police need your help. If
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Speaker 2: you know or think you know anything, whether you are
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Speaker 2: within the four v d's camp, whether you're a neighbor,
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Speaker 2: whether you saw them together, anything, please call LAPD two
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Speaker 2: one three four eight six six eight nine zero repeat
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Speaker 2: two one three, four, eight, six six eight nine zero.
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Speaker 2: We remember an American hero, Officer Jeremy Hall, Virginia Department Corrections,
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Speaker 2: killed in the line of beauty. He lays behind a
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Speaker 2: grieving family. American hero officer Jeremy Paul Nancy Gray signing
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Speaker 2: off goodbye friend