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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed R&D Officer From MCC (Part 3) (5/8/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  back in to the testimony given by the R and
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  D correction officer from MCC about Jeffrey Epstein's death. Question Okay,
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  we'll come back in a little bit. The court list
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  that you guys create, who does that get sent to? Answer?
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  It doesn't get sent to It gets sent to the
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  unit officers. We don't email it out. We make hard copies.
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  And the internal officer comes around that night and he
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  gives one to each housing unit. Question around what time?
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  Answer depending anytime during from midnight to eight in the morning.
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  They have up until to give give that out, But
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  most likely you no later than five am after the
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  five o'clock count, because at that time that's when the
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  institution's opening up. After the five am count, when the
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  inmates will have their breakfast and start preparing for whatever
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  it is that their day. Entells question do you recall
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  working that morning in R and D and see inmate
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  Reyes come down? Answer? I don't remember. Question okay, And
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  when the list is sent up to the units, what
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  do they do with it? Answer? The unit officers take
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  it and he'views it and it just tells them who
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  is on the unit and who has court that day.
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  Question is that copy of that list maintained anywhere by
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  R and D? Answer no, because once we once the
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  list is done for the day, we just shredd it.
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  We don't need it. Question what about what's used to it?
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  Sounds like create the list from the marshals? Can we
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  get can we get back to the emails from August eighth?
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  I guess it would be to get that court list
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  from August ninth. Answer if it's still in the system, Yeah,
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  you would still you'd be able to see it. Yeah.
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  Question and you said at that time there are both
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  facts and email to any single person, so we could
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  just grab an email from them if it was archived. Answer, Uh, huh,
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  if it's still you know, in the system. But we
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  don't normally keep court liss Once we done for the day,
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  everything gets shredded and we start fresh for the next day,
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  So we don't hold on to the court list. Question okay,
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  answer just something that we never did. The only thing
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  we hold on to is transfer orders. People that transferred out,
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  like she gets cut off by the investigator. Question So,
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  for instance, with Reyes. When you say transfer order, does
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  that mean release or is it just transferred to a
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  different institution. Answer? Transferred to a different institution, because if
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  he got released or he got dispositioned, he would be
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  something we would place in his file why he got released.
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  You know, you got to have something to show that's
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  why you release this inmate. That we didn't just let
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  him walk out the door. We have this document from
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  the marshals. That's why we released them. Question, So would
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  Reyes have a file like that? Answer? If it's not
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  sent to archives, and this is twenty twenty one, his
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  file would be his file is probably archive now. Question
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  even though it's like my understanding was like August ninth,
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  everything was going to be like preserved August ninth and tenth.
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  Do you know if that would create it not actually
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  be archived, but actually still maintained somewhere. Answer you would
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  have to get with sis. I don't know. I don't know.
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  Question do you know if that court list is used
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  to update the daily log? Answer? What do you mean? Question?
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  Do you know what a daily log is? He shows
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  her the log? Have you ever seen that? Answer? It's
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  what we call a PP. Thirty eight. It just tracks
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  movement of who went out of the institution, who went
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  from that unit to what unit, who got keyed out?
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  This is what this is. It just tracks all the
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  movement for that day. Question. Can you flip to the
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  third page for inmate efren reyis you see next to
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  it it says pre removed? Do you know what that means? Answer? Uh, huh.
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  That means he was removed from the institution. Question does
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  that mean that there's a possibility that the Marshal's list
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  come over which made them wab Answer a possibility, yeah,
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  Question what else could it? Why else would you list
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  an inmate as pre remove? Answer? We won't list them
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  as pre remove. We just key him out as pre removed.
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  Question So he was keyed out at that point? Answer? Yeah.
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  Question and what time was it keyed out? Do you know?
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  Answer a thirty eight question? And would it be if
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  a person's going to court, what would it be listed as? Answer?
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  If he's going to court? On this, you wouldn't see
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  at the time. You wouldn't see that he went to court.
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  You would have to run and out count to show
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  who was keyed out to court, So you wouldn't be
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  able to see that on this because it's just tracks
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  who came into the institution, who left the institution, and
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  what housing units they were transferred from, whether they came
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  out of shoe or they went to shoe, or they
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  got moved from one unit housing un to another housing unit.
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  Or if they say an inmate got sentenced, this would
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  show that he might have went from a pre meaning
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  a pre trial inmate to a hold he might have
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  pled guilty, so now he's no longer a pre trial
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  and he's awaiting sentencing, So this would just show stuff
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  like that, or he became a designated inmate and he's
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  a BOP inmate. Question how would you be able to
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  see the difference between an inmate that just left for
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  court and was coming back in an inmate that left.
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  Answer on this question, yeah, can you answer? Yeah, you
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  could just see, Well you don't know, you just know
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  what they were pre removed, so you don't know looking
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  at this why they were pre removed question. So I
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  guess what he means though, is if someone is just
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  going to court and didn't go to court WAB versus
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  someone who went to court WAB, would they be coded
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  differently on that answer? No question, not at all. Answer
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  at that time, we weren't If the inmate went to
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  court and was WAB, we would kee him on pre
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  remove or hold a remove. So yes, I'm trying to think,
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  what did you just say? Say it again? Question? So
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  I guess is there a differentiation if someone is WAB
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  are they coded as pre removed? If they're just going
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  to court and they don't have WAB next to their
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  name on that form? Would it just say something different
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  like court answer? No, you wouldn't see WAB on this form.
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  She gets cut off by the investigator. No, No, I'm
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  not saying that you would see WAB. I'm just saying like,
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  if the inmate goes to court, are they always listed
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  as pre remove? Answer? No, they'd be hold to move question.
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  And that's the and what's the difference? So is this
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  either pre remove or hold a remove answer? Or bellbond
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  question or a bellbond? And can you he gets cut
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  off by the R and D officer or time served question? Okay,
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  so when you're leaving, So it sounds like the latter
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  two that are totally different things. He gets cut off
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  by the corrections officer. Well, no, they could be on
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  the court list and they could appear to go out
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  to court as a court and they might get ordered
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  two time served. So now we have them on an
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  out count as going to court. Because we weren't keing
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  inmates physically out of the institution, we're placing them on
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  an out count. So you would send them out to
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  court as a court. But if you got a disposition
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  back from the marshals stating that inmates so and so
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  was sentenced to time served, now you would go back
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  in the system and you would key him out time served.
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  So it doesn't necessarily mean that they could be on
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  the court list as a WAB because that doesn't always happen.
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  Sometimes they do get released straight from the courthouse and
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  never come back to the jail. So those things do happen. Question,
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  and that's what So what we're trying to get to
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  is is there any way by looking at that can
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  you determine if Reyes when he left at eight thirty
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  eight had a WAB next to his name. Answer not
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  from looking at this, no question. The only way we
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  would be able to determine that is by getting the
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  court list. Answer yes, because the marshals could have sent
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  something back over and said inmates so and so is
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  not coming back. He's going with probation. He could have
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  had a court appearance and he could it could have
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  been with his probation officer, and at that time the
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  judge could have said whatever and sentenced the inmate to probation.
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  So now he's not coming back to the institution, and
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  now we got to pre remove him. It just all
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  depends on what happened at court, and it all depends
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  on what his status was prior to going to court.
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  What we got far as the court list. So I
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  couldn't tell you that just by looking at that question.
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  When the marshals send over whatever it is that they
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  send over, did they have WAB on their forum? Answer? Yeah,
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  question okay, So if we get one of those emails,
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  it would say WAB on it. Answer at that time
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  it said WAB. Yes. Question okay, So that's not something
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  that you create and write WAB. They actually would have
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  to put it in the email. Answer right, question okay. Answer,
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  We don't create that until we get their list. Then
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  that's why we go by what's on their list and
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  then we type it up and we disseminate it to
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  the housing units. Like that question. Okay, but somebody that
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  you're So my understanding is that not everybody that goes
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  to court is wab answer, that's correct. Question And just
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  to make sure that we're understanding correctly on that. So
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  people that just go to court, would they also be
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  listed as pre removed? Answer? They could possibly be. Yes,
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  It could possibly be because the marshals might call you
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  and say, hey, we got inmates so and so he's
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  not coming back, he's going with the state, and they'll
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  send us us a cut slip question. No, that's after
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  the fact though, after they've already left. Question or answer
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  excuse me? That can possibly happen after they left. Yes. Question.
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  So if we're looking at this thing on RAS where
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  it says A thirty eight, is that what was entered
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  for him at eight thirty eight or is that it
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  could have been changed later on the pre removed thing? Answer?
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  It just depends on what time he went out. I
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  don't know because it could have been changed. Well No,
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  well I can't tell you just by looking at this question.
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  So all right, so this doesn't tell us anything. Answer.
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  It tells us that he was removed from the institution
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  because at one point in time. How we key inmates
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  out now is not how we were key inmates out.
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  Then we didn't key them out. We just placed them
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  on the out count. So if we keep them out
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  on an outcount, they would show off of the unit population,
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  but they would still be on the institutional count. Now
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  we have to key them out. They're off the institutional
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  count and they're off the unit count. So when we
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  key them out now for the court, they it's like
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  they never they're not here in the institution at all.
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  All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
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  then the next episode dealing with this topic, we're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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