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The W.H.O.’s “One Health” Will Give the CCP Control Over YOUR Life — Brian O’Shea Interview · Man in America Podcast

• 1:33
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. So I'm sure you've been watching what's happening at our southern border. We now have confirmation that there's actually a massive amount of Chinese flooding across our border, which we know are mostly middle aged men, fighting aged men, which could potentially be what you'd call a fifth column. But at the same time, we're seeing there's a lot of movement happening at the level of the WHO with their pandemic treaty and with this new one health initiative that's now really being widespreadly talked about.
• 2:05
  And so joining us today is Brian O'Shea, a former intelligence officer and someone who really gets what's happening in our country and is able to connect the dots between what's happening with the CCP, the Southern Border, the WHO, everything we're seeing happening here in America to really help us make sense of really what's going on, what could be happening in the near future and most importantly what we can do about it. So folks enjoy this interview with Brian O'Shea. So Brian it is great to have you back on the show, always enjoy our conversations and I think we've got quite a lot of important stuff to talk about.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: I agree. And it's great to be back. You know, thanks for having me.
• 2:47
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. So there's, you know, Europe, especially as I've had you on before, is a lot of different things. But I'd say that you've really got a keen eye for understanding the real threats that our country faces. And if if I look at your Twitter feed or, you know, your Substack, you're really honing in on two topics that I think are really important that tie completely together, and that's the the pandemic treaty and the one health initiative and the globalist kind of takeover using, you know, the COVID and the pandemic as a Trojan horse for really global communism and the Chinese Communist Party. Right?
• 3:24
  So looking at not only what's happening with our border, the corruption of our officials, infiltration of our country, you know, from that perspective, but looking at also the them kind of really almost being in an arms race and really increasing their nuclear capacity, you know, mobilizing a lot of you know, it looks like mobilizing for war, but then also the merger of those two things. And actually, I'll pull up something on your your substack really quickly here. This is something I I just wanted to draw attention to. So this is your Substack, which I'll put the I'll put up for folks to read as well. So this is it's your Investigating Everything with or Investigate Everything with Brian O'Shea, which is brianoche.substack.com.
• 4:03
  So this is your post specifically about this One Health initiative by the World Health Organization. But then one point I wanted to highlight here that you said, to get an overview of just what One Health is, I have provided links to interviews, panels, and discussions, I and others have had regarding One Health, how it relates to the WHO's grab for power, and or how it relates to the Chinese Communist Party's grand strategy of essentially dominating the world by 02/1949. So that really piqued my interest a lot because that's something I focus on. But how about we start with just taking a look at what One Health is. And so I want to and actually, I'll start that by pulling up an article by Joseph Mercola, which then I'll kind of hand it off to you because I think he gives a pretty kind of, you know, maybe frightening summary of it or pretty sober summary of it.
• 4:57
  I'll also read a few points from this. He's published this on the Children's Health Defense website where he says, One Health, the global takeover of everything. He says, Under the One Health agenda, the WHO would have power to make decisions relating to diet, agriculture, and livestock farming, environmental pollution, and movement of populations and much more. Taxpayers would fund the scheme, corporations would profit. And so he has a few things he highlights here about this.
• 5:23
  He says, The WHO is seeking to cement its control over global health through amendments to the international health regulations in its pandemic treaty, which I've covered before, especially with Francis Boyle talking about that. It says the pandemic treaty would grant the WHO power over far more than pandemic responses. It emphasizes one the One Health agenda, which combines human health, animal health, and environmental concerns into one. Under the One Health agenda, the WHO would have power to make decisions relating to diet, agriculture, and livestock farming, environmental pollutions, movement of populations, and much more. So he kind of goes on, I'll read the last point here, he says, The globalist takeover hinges on the successful creation of a feedback loop of surveillance for virus variants declaration of potential risk, followed by lockdowns and restrictions, followed by mass vaccinating populations to end the pandemic restrictions, followed by more surveillance and so on.
• 6:22
  So that seems like a kind of a death spiral into technocracy. I know this is something that you're that you're really following. So kind of tell us so what is this One Health initiative in your words?
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: Okay. So in my word well, I think it's important that I if you don't mind that I read to you how the World Health Organization, defines it. And I'll make this quick. They define it as, and I apologize for reading, an integrated unifying approach to to balance and optimize a unifying approach to balance and optimize started. What is one okay.
• 7:07
  Sorry. Anyways, what they they define it as is it's an approach that integrates and treats holistically human health, animal health, and environmental health. And so it's been around for about a hundred years. It goes way back prior to World War two and was really originally pushed by some doctors, but mainly veterinarians. And it was nice.
• 7:41
  It was fluffy. It was cuddly. It was a holistic approach to medicine, which makes sense to me. That's fine. If I get bit by a tick or I don't wanna get bit by a tick here in Upstate New York, I'm probably gonna figure out, okay.
• 7:55
  If I take these tubes and I feed them and the mice eat them, it goes on their skin. The ticks bite the mice. The ticks die. So that's that's fine. But if you notice and what I'm noticing more and more in their definitions, they don't say an approach to what.
• 8:16
  They just say an approach. And it it just hit me the other day. So what is it in my own words? I think, doctor Mercola is spot on. I I would change one thing about the way he defines it, and that is I'd remove the future fence, and I put it in the present tense.
• 8:36
  We're paying for this now. As you could see from my substack, there's offices everywhere. This is not a club. This is a part of our government already. So how would I define One Health?
• 8:50
  I would define it as a sleeper form, a sleeper governance dwelling inside the agencies that run not only our country, but all the countries in the WHO because they all have a One Health component woven into their governments now. And if the treaty passes, this pandemic treaty that gives the WHO, unprecedented powers, during a global health emergency and other environmental concerns, Then the minute they call a pandemic or, like, for a pandemic or a global health emergency, they it automatically activates this One Health governance that's already been preinstalled into all these governments. So when the WHO counters with, no. We're not gonna take people's sovereignty. We don't have the power to do that.
• 9:48
  That's nowhere in the treaty. They're telling the truth. It is nowhere in the treaty, but it doesn't need to be because the minute they call that emergency, One Health, which is literally a globalist governance activates. And until that time and right now around the world are active, I would say, efforts by the One Health Commission, the One Health Initiative, There's a lot of them. I I won't go into detail now.
• 10:20
  There's a lot of components to harmonize One Health around the world so it's all the same. And so that's what I I consider it. Think of it like War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise where those alien ships were in the ground for, like, a long time, and then the lightning comes and activates them. Well, the lightning is the global health emergency under the WHO. One Health are those things already living inside, you know, inside the gates, the enemy in the gates, as I said.
• 10:55
  Seth Holehouse: Folks, I've got a quick message for you. Right now, the world is very, very actively going through a process that the experts are calling de dollarization. And look, I've been talking about this for well over a year now, but maybe you're now starting to see it in the mainstream because they're now talking about it because it's really happening. What does this mean? Well, there's a few factors, but there's two main factors.
• 11:18
  One is that the BRICS nations, okay, this is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and a whole coalition, they are actively getting rid of stopping their trade in the US dollar, and this is significant because the dollar's losing its status as the global reserve currency and as the petro dollar. This is what gives our dollar its value. But the other thing is that we have an enemy that's within our own government, Biden and his administration, they are actively working to destroy the dollar. And you can see it in their actions that they're not trying to save the dollar, they're actually trying to destroy it because they want to roll out their central bank digital currency. So you have these two forces coming in both the same time working to destroy the dollar because what happens when that dollar gets destroyed?
• 12:05
  Well, literally your life savings, if they're sitting in the dollar, whether it's in a savings account or a bank account or the stock market or an IRA or a four zero one k, those savings, that money could literally be wiped out in a matter of days, weeks, even a couple of months. We're already seeing it with inflation which is gonna be much, much worse. If you're seeing the writing on the wall and you're thinking, what can I do to protect myself? Well, there's a few recommendations that I always have. One is just to make sure you've got your food.
• 12:35
  If you have land, you know, ammunition, whatever it takes, real tangible assets. But fundamentally, the thing I recommend most is precious metals, gold and silver. Look, precious metals have survived the collapse of currencies, the rise and fall of civilization, and also a big factor in this is that the BRICS nations, their new currency they're introducing to replace the dollar, a lot of experts are saying it will be backed by commodities like precious metals, and so you can see there's gonna be a stabilization and I believe a dramatic increase in the value of precious metals. Not to mention, look at the back the past six months, we're seeing, you know, 30% plus increase in the prices of silver and gold. So if you would go back and say you put a hundred grand into silver six months ago, it could be worth well over a hundred and 25, a hundred and 30 thousand dollars because the dollar is losing its value.
• 13:23
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• 13:39
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• 14:09
  You put your email, name, contact information, and that sets you up for a free wealth consultation. We can talk to either Kirk or one of his experts to really understand what your options are or you can just call (720) 605-3900 to take action today. I'm gonna take a like a hundred thousand foot view on what I see kind of happening and seeing how this fits in is that so, you know, since the beginning of time, there's always been rulers that want to rule the world. Right? It's the central theme to almost every movie, action movie that people want to have global They want to rule the world.
• 14:47
  But, you know, for a long time, they haven't been able to, but there have been there has been a consolidation of power over the past couple hundred or even a couple thousand years, you might say. And what they've realized, these individuals who do want to rule the world, whichever these people are, we won't get into that necessarily, is that they we have to agree to a certain extent to allowing them to do that. Like, can't just they they can't have a global communist revolution like they did with the Bolsheviks and all of a sudden, you know, kind of put us all into camps and have guns everywhere. Just it it it turned the entire world into a giant world war. So, they've had to get us to agree And so and based upon so much of their study of the human mind and psychology, they know that fear is one of the greatest tools to get people to comply.
• 15:36
  Right? And I know Kissinger's talked a lot about that. Just the ability that, you know, when people fear something, they'll give up a little bit of their freedom if you can protect them from that that they fear. And that so the key then, okay, well, how can we make the humans collectively fear something? Well, you know, whether it's terrorism or any of the different things that we've kind of feared in the past, those are more isolated.
• 15:56
  But I think that terrorism was put them on the right track of creating something that we fear that we can't really even define. It's not like we fear the Soviets and this, know, fear the Chinese. It's we fear terrorism. So terrorism could be in your backyard. It could be in your school.
• 16:11
  It could be it creates something. But I think the pinnacle of that is actually creating a fear over a virus that can only be detected primarily through the tests that they control. And so I think that that laid the for creating a situation where people feared something that they couldn't see. And then the media could basically say that the virus or the pandemic was really whatever they wanted it to be. They could hype up that fear.
• 16:39
  And that fear then laid the groundwork for them to say that, okay, for a lot of people to say, okay, I will wear a mask. I will take the vaccine if it's gonna protect me. And so what that did is it opened up this level of control that they're now trying to say, look, look at how how bad the first pandemic was, right? And so for future pandemics to protect you, you need to give us over your rights. And so they've they've kind of realized that it's the the fear of the virus and the reaction to that that that's really the Trojan horse for them to gain control over the entire world.
• 17:17
  And whenever you see these, the one, you know, the one world government, the one religion, you know, one health, to me, those are always indicators of a globalist thing where it's really it comes down to one master. Right? Like, that's what it is. It's like, you you have one master, which is this And so they've used, they've been able to use the the merger of these private, you know, public partnerships and corporations, the corporatocracy, the military industrial complex, the media industrial complex, they've used all of this collectively around the world to create this global campaign that then ties into the pandemic treaties, which then hands over the rights of the individual countries basically to the WHO. And so it's really, it's kind of, okay, we're gonna trust the WHO.
• 18:04
  Well, there's one thing that we've learned through COVID is that scientists can be bought just as easily as politicians can be bought just as easily as journalists can be bought. So then makes you think,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: well, then
• 18:14
  Seth Holehouse: if that's the mechanism that's now bypassing our constitution, who's in charge of that mechanism? And that's why when you put made that point about the CCP, which we know that they've got a lot of heavily influence, heavily influence over the WHO, you know, Tedros, a former communist that the Chinese really put into power in the WHO. To me, it's like all of this paints this picture that makes a lot more sense if we're trying to understand this, it's all part of this really complicated psychological operation to move us into a global technocracy, maybe with the CCP as one of the the ruling elite kind of parties over top of that. So, I mean, does do I kind of does that make sense for what you think? Or
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I think I can just leave because you literally either read my mind, read Merkola's mind, nor Bin Laden's or Michelle Bachmann's, all these people. You're you're you know, it's it's you you've got it. You've got it. I I would just add to that and say it's not just fear. It's also it's those taboos, right, that that, you know, we talk about in society, and Tucker Carlson actually covered this really well.
• 19:37
  We're changing taboos. And so but we're also keeping ones that are we, not us. They are the powers that be. But we are what they what they did and in in this type of this is not propaganda. This is this is bigger.
• 19:53
  This is covert influencer perception management where you are you're laying the groundwork for how a population thinks, which is it's impressive, and I I know about these disciplines really well for various reasons. But the the thing that they've done here is they've created a situation with the pandemic through the fear where they broke people's brains, and that that's the first step in controlling the minds of a population is you have to get them to think the way you want them to think. So you hit them with mental artillery, for lack of a better term, where you're hitting them with so much information that people can't keep up. Then you just start splicing in the absurd, like, natural immunity doesn't work or natural immunity never did work or
• 20:50
  Seth Holehouse: Or three masks are gonna save you.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Three masks or Taliban is our friend. It's this ISIS k you gotta worry about. I'm like, what? You know? So but people will start believing that.
• 21:04
  And and mainly, the people that believe that the most are the people, a, that stay on their devices too long, especially phones, I'd say more than computers. But also the people and this is no offense to w twos, but I have noticed, like, w twos or or peep salaried people who nine to five job benefits and taxes are taken out. They're more susceptible because there's more leverage over them. But there's also you're naturally in a a state of group thinking, you know, you're relying on someone else for your income and your your benefits. Whereas entrepreneurs and independent contractors, writers, artists, not all, obviously.
• 21:45
  They they tend to be they tend to see through a lot more because you can't really like, for me, you can't really do anything to me. Like, if you're the the powers that be, like, what are you going to do to me? I've developed a parallel economy with my mechanics and with my plumbers and everything, so that's taken care of. You can't touch me, so I'm free to say whatever I want and and and research whatever I want. But I I I think back to my days as a government contractor, and thank god I left after Usama bin Laden was killed because I can't imagine if I'd let myself get that institutionalized, what I'd be doing right now or how many shots would be in my arm?
• 22:27
  I I would probably not have gotten the shot anyways because, you know, I don't I never wanted to make a career out of that. But yeah. I mean, that's they're really susceptible. So but it's not only the fear. It's also with one help, it's a lot of cuddly animals.
• 22:44
  I mean, who who doesn't want to, you know, take care of the little panda and save the pandas or or or help that that poor man and that it's always a stock vote of some guy with a water buffalo and a stick. You know? And who doesn't wanna help that guy? He's got one cow. We gotta gotta protect that cow.
• 23:05
  And so and you can see that on CDC's One Health website. So they they play on that too. They never really show the really ugly animals except for the bats. They never really show those. And so in terms of getting the population to accept this, well, heck, there are online education resources that you can take.
• 23:27
  I'm enrolled in a One Health course right now through Princeton, and it's yeah. I'm I'm I'm going on the inside to see how they are normalizing this One Health, which is, in my opinion, absolutely a bonkers idea.
• 23:43
  Seth Holehouse: And so when you talk about the CCP, can you go into some of the the research that shows you that they're perhaps controlling a lot of this behind the scenes. Because I find that that becomes something even when we're talking to, you know, if I'm talking to the folks that are more liberal in their in their political views, or, you know, maybe they hate Donald Trump. It's like, okay, that's you can, you can think whatever you And there's a lot of opposition there. But when I talk about the CCP, that's usually the one thing that I've never had someone that say is more liberal say, well, they're actually the good guys. You know what I mean?
• 24:19
  Like, unanimously, they're like, yeah, the CCP is evil. Look at the Uighur concentration camps. Look at the Falun Gong practitioners that
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: they're cutting
• 24:29
  Seth Holehouse: the organs out of still. So, like, almost it's almost unanimous that we bring the CCP into it. Everyone unites around that and they're like, yeah, like we have to protect our country from the CCP. So if if we can tie a lot of this global control into the CCP, I think that becomes a really important tool for helping to unite more Americans against these initiatives. And so what do you see?
• 24:52
  Like, what are you seeing behind the scenes of their control over these initiatives?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you. It's first of all, I look at it as a detective or an intelligence analyst firm. That's where my training is and my career. I always look first for who has the motivation to rule over the world, who has the means to rule over the world, means being not only money, but people, and who has the means, motivation, and opportunity. Well, the opportunity is now.
• 25:29
  And the opportunity, let's unpack this, the opportunity to initiate this global governance via One Health and the pandemic treaty. The opportunity was COVID nineteen. And I think you hit on it. And and let me say what I've discovered is as I research One Health more and more, and and I found it in July of twenty twenty one. Okay?
• 25:55
  I I don't care about credit or breaking a story or anything, but there's a point to me saying that. Like, that's when I really, really started digging deep on, okay. What's going on here? But, anyways, so you've you've got the opportunity. It's COVID nineteen.
• 26:10
  You've got the motivation. China dream twenty forty nine is, you know, essentially, as I'm sure you know, the stated goal by the Chinese Communist Party, which is, let's not mince words, it's Xi Jinping. The you know, he he is the Communist Party, Chinese communist party, especially since he was voted unanimously as chairman for life. That is the title of emperor for life, basically. So he stated it.
• 26:39
  This is this is it. And then the means. Look at where all the research for gain of function was done. Look who has the opportunity to test on human subjects with no one saying anything. That'd be the Chinese Communist Party.
• 26:57
  Look at who has the largest amount of people to transplant in different countries to occupy them. People forget with the whole Ukraine and Russia thing. Russia doesn't have enough troops to take over Ukraine and Poland, let alone democracy. So they just don't. I think Jane's Defense Weekly shows a you need, like, one soldier for every five acres.
• 27:22
  So they they they fit the bill, but specifically, and and doctor Mercola talked about this, the surveillance piece, disease surveillance, that's a big deal. And and let me put it this way. As a when I was doing private detective work, which I'm I'm not currently doing because I'm totally focused on this. When I was doing that, I would routinely tell people I I was a wildlife photographer, and they would let me onto their property. As long as I said something fluffy and nice, and then I would tell them I was a contractor with, like, National Geographic because there's no way to check out if someone is a contractor with National Geographic, and all their photographers are contractors.
• 28:06
  And so the minute I said animals are wildlife, people let their guard down. But I'm on their property surveilling them. I have no interest in the wildlife. And so I'm not saying they don't have an interest in the wildlife here. I think some of them legitimately do, and I think they're unwitting ponds.
• 28:25
  A lot of these eco, environmentalists and everything, I I I truly believe that they think they're being genuine. But what a great way to violate borders. What a great way to get into areas that are really, like, you know, slow go or no go areas in military terms, such as rural America where everyone has hunting rifles. Well, all you have to do is discover, oh, I don't know, COVID in a white tailed deer. You could shut down a whole hunting area.
• 28:57
  You're then creating a domino effect because even though the right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting, you know, people will say, well, crap. I got all these guns. I don't have a job anymore, and I can't hunt because they shut this down because of some phantom disease. I might as well sell my guns. So what a great way to start disarming the public.
• 29:19
  So it's that that way of surveillance, but it's more than just that. NASA is part of it's part of the American network of One Health agencies for the surveillance piece. NASA, USDA oh, CCP. I apologize. Let me back up.
• 29:39
  So where's the CCP involved? On the surveillance piece a lot, but also the whole ideology. They have something in China that's written into their constitution. I think they wrote it in in 02/2012 called ecological civilizations. Now it almost reads exactly like One Health, And you see this kind of, for lack of a better term, kabuki theater where, you know, they're pushing One Health on the Chinese Communist Party, and they're resistant to it, and they're pushing it, and they're resistant.
• 30:08
  And then they accept it all of a sudden. And now they're kind of running it. Like, it's all coming out of there. And it was announced in the China Daily that, basically, by 2024, Tsingtao University and Fudong University will be WHO regional pandemic or global emergency operation and data centers. And as far and then there's more.
• 30:38
  For instance, contracts for surveillance. A lot of them are going to Hikvision. I think 10¢ in that mix, and I I've I've got the receipts on this. Hikvision, that is the surveillance company that does all the surveillance systems for the reeducation camps in China where the Uighurs are interned. And Hikvision, there's one right here in Massachusetts.
• 31:01
  But so we're the and finally, I'll say this is zooming out, and this is more analysis and pattern recognition. It plays out the way One Health is growing fits perfectly into unrestricted warfare as just another component of regulatory warfare, which is a fated type of warfare in unrestricted warfare, which is that 1999 manifesto for, you know, 57 page or more written by two PLA Chinese colonels, that seemed to be the war that the way the war is being waged against the West and and and free nations all over the world. So it fits perfectly into that. And I'll end by saying this. What a what a great situation.
• 31:55
  Look. After World War two, when the Nazis were defeated, you know, you had the the three allied powers kinda haggling, you know, how are we gonna run this? How are we going to do this? Do we use your system? Do we use your system?
• 32:09
  You know, Stalin, we're not sure about your system. And, you know, that that's a big problem when you go into any country. I mean, even in special operations when we were doing foreign internal defense, I as a military intelligence support team. That was always a problem. Like, we didn't take over, but like we'd have to learn their rules and fit into them and kind of merge in with ours for the time we were there.
• 32:32
  So, no one stepped on each other's toes. This is pre installed. You just have to walk in and flick it on.
• 32:39
  Seth Holehouse: And one thing also, when you look at the indicators, and I've talked about this before as well, is if you look at, okay, how would a global surveillance state be constructed? I mean, it's really on the back of technology. And, like, you can find a map. Like, remember I brought this up even two years ago doing a show on this. Go search for a map of how much five g technology around the world is controlled by China.
• 33:04
  And you can see that, like, the five g infrastructure, which I think is really the backbone of their surveillance state, is, like, massively controlled by China through Huawei. And so that's another thing. And then and then look at where all of our phones are made. I mean, I remember at one point there's a reporter
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I was
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: just gonna say that.
• 33:22
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Well, there's a reporter at Epoch Times, Charlotte Cuthbertson, you know, great reporter. She has a lot of border work. And she wrote this article
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: That's good work.
• 33:29
  Seth Holehouse: That that was called, Is Your Iron Spying On You? This was probably ten years ago. And it was about how they're finding just household irons coming from China that actually had they were hacking people's Wi Fi and opening up for surveillance. So literally like a cheap iron made in China that you buy at Walmart.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Screw an iron.
• 33:49
  Seth Holehouse: Literally an iron that you flatten your clothes with, right? That they were finding that these had like little microchips in them that could hack into your WiFi and open you up to surveillance to China. So it's like all so much like almost everything that I'm conducting this interview on, like my TV monitors, that all the technology, I'd probably say 95% of it is made in China. And so if you look at that, it's like, gosh, that's that's kind of frightening. Right?
• 34:18
  But then, I mean, tying this into into what's happening now, because this was just there's all these different indicators, but then, like, looking at what's happening on the southern border. Right? And I'll pull up a tweet that you had shared quite recently here saying that the former ICE director has concerns about a huge number of Chinese nationals sneaking over the border with illicit drugs or worse. Right? So it's like, okay, gosh, what is worse?
• 34:46
  Is it, you know, children or is it weapons? You know what mean? Or or or something in combination. So this is why I'd love to get your thoughts on because I know, you know, someone I I've talked to a lot is Jeff Nyquist, which we talked about before the show. And he's talked a lot about what he calls fifth column.
• 35:03
  And, know, one of his good friends was a journalist.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say fifth column.
• 35:07
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. One was a journalist that was covering, had someone on the southern border that was in Mexico, right right on the border that was explaining to him, think since like the 80s and 90s, that they saw a massive influx of Chinese and Russians coming into the border on the Mexico side, and there was actually a police officer, a Mexican police officer that ended up getting, you know, being assassinated that was leaking information about how they were setting up Chinese and Russian camps on the border of the you know, right across from the The United States and the Southern border, and that they were they were kind of disguising these facilities as like old farm facilities and whatnot, but that they were actually weapons depots and all kinds of stuff on the Southern border. And so if you tie that into what's happening now, I just I I'd love to get your perspective on what you see happening with the Southern border.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Totally. So what's happening with the Southern border is exactly that is it's it is putting the fifth column in place. So for those who don't understand that concept, that is when you have that kinda covert I hate to use the word sleeper cell, but it's kinda like what it is. People placed strategically throughout your on the inside throughout your enemy's territory. So for instance, if I were the Chinese Communist Party, I'd say, okay.
• 36:34
  It'd be great if we could get a bunch of people in America and get them to, you know, strategic cities mainly to cause unrest. Okay? Mainly to, you know, also create another front from the inside. And, like, guerrilla fighters, except these are you know, these look like soldiers to me. I was a soldier for eleven years.
• 37:00
  I know the look. The look comes from a lot of push ups and a lot of marching, and they have great posture, great health, and really well strong shoulders from carrying backpacks and doing a lot of push ups. That's a look. There's certain things that, you know, like, in any industry. Like, Naomi can look, and she's like, oh, that's definitely an Ivy League writer.
• 37:21
  So you know the look winger in the industry. But yeah. So he's I believe he's right because you now now the next problem is how do we get them where we want? Well, that's easy. Christian charities is taking care of that because they're shipping them all over to major cities.
• 37:39
  So take Boston, for instance, where I I have a home in Salem. Governor Healy Healy announced that she wants more of these hotels to take in the immigrants. There's a hundred and two Haitian families at Salem State University, which is pretty close to my house right now that they packed into what they claim was an abandoned dorm. There's no abandoned dorms at Salem State. That's a tiny university.
• 38:07
  But she has now announced that the state is going to ease the sanitation requirements for hotels and increase the maximum number of people you can have in a room to encourage hotels to take more of these immigrants in. That is for people that are so big on vaccines and masks and everything. That right there is just counter to everything they're saying. That is a that's a time bomb virus wise waiting to happen. Back to the fifth column.
• 38:40
  Seth Holehouse: Point out really quickly is that, because I remember at one point when Abbott was bussing up these immigrants to Washington DC and everyone was praising that, especially on the conservative side. They're like, yeah, you know, like he's That's good point. Didn't even know that. It's like, I remember thinking like, gosh, is that like, are they just moving troops around? Are they just kind of because how else are you going to get a bunch of immigrants across the border in Texas up to key areas like New York City, Washington DC.
• 39:07
  It's like that's probably the worst place you could possibly bus enemy combatants is Washington DC. So I remember when I saw it happening, was just thinking like, this isn't something we should be excited about. There's something really off here.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Something's really off. And the other thing I'll say about that, so you get them in here, and I think the Chinese Communist Party has shifted their game of Go. Go being the Chinese marble, kinda like their chess, except I think it has, like, 8,000 more moves than Western chess. So the game can be played two ways. The whole game is based on and this is more for your listeners.
• 39:48
  I know you guys at the epic times probably know the game well. I'm new to it. But as I've seen it, there's two strategies. You can tactically take out marbles one by one by you, you know, you place marbles, take turns, place some marbles. And if you encircle the enemy's marble, you remove their marble from the board.
• 40:07
  So some people play that way. I I like to play that way. I'm a tactical guy. But some people like to surround the entire board and weave it around multiple marbles. And when the time is right, drop that last marble in and remove all of the enemy's pieces at once.
• 40:24
  I think the Chinese Communist Party up until the pandemic was playing that way, taking out this, grabbing this through unrestricted warfare, getting this politician, taking over certain rail systems in our country, like the BART, the t, and the Philadelphia Metro through CRRC in Springfield, Massachusetts. Look it up, audience. But the the thing is I think they're ready to drop those last marbles. Pieces are almost all in place. And there's something else that just really crossed my mind the other day.
• 41:02
  I was reading the 36 stratagems, which are the ancient, you know, strategies that, you know, are taught to Chinese generals. And I I like to keep up on that. And and one of the stratagems is pain attacking east and then attack west. So think about this. All of our military hardware has been shipped off to various countries, mainly Ukraine, but also Syria and parts of Africa.
• 41:30
  Our carrier groups are focused on the South China Sea area, Guam, and Taiwan, of course, to, you know, deter the Chinese from attacking them. Our police were not completely defunded but have been defanged because people don't wanna arrest. Police don't wanna arrest anyone. They're the ones that end up going to jail. Our homeowners and legal gun owners are getting cowed into not defending themselves through various cases where they're throwing the book at e even elderly people who have defended their homes from illegal immigrants who were breaking into their home.
• 42:16
  And so it's impossible, I think, to, you know, take the guns away from everyone in this country. There's just too many of them. But if you get in here and people are they hesitate they hesitate to shoot, then you've got them. And then you get because that's a big that's a big hiccup for any invasion of this country is how many guns there are and gun owners and and veterans and ex cops and people and hunters and hobbyists that are trained how to use them. So how do you get that?
• 42:45
  Well, you get people to not wanna pull the trigger. And that's what I've seen systematically here. The solution to that is, you know, if someone's breaking your home, defend yourself. Don't think about it. Don't think.
• 42:59
  Act. But, anyways, back to the point, I see the fifth column. I also see there's a very good chance our country is going to get attacked. And while that happens, which would make sense because if we're busy defending ourselves, whether it's from, like, terrorist attacks all at once, which I think this could happen, or, you know, a tactical nuke or god knows even, you know, Justin Trudeau who seems to be Xi Jinping's pal or or, you know, loyal asset. You know, while that's happening, then they can take Taiwan because Taiwan's tricky.
• 43:41
  They can't just level it. They they need the capacity of the Chinese Communist Party. So what better way? We've already we're we're we're we're we're sitting ducks right now. We're wide open.
• 43:51
  Don't get me wrong. We have a defense in this country that that never changes no matter who's the president that I'm I'm fully aware of. But who's who's holding those keys? You know, the the the wokeification of our officer corps through ROTC programs. That's that's have been happening.
• 44:10
  Now it's there. How do we know that those officers who are in place and I I hate to pick on the officers, but it's what I've seen. How do we know they're going to defend the country in the roles they have when that time comes? They might not want to. They might be under orders not to.
• 44:31
  Their families may have ties. It may be in China, and they don't want anything to happen to them if they do do something to defend this country. We are we are just infiltrated top to bottom, right now. And so I do fear that, yes, Taiwan is obviously a target. But, again, if you really understand the Chinese Communist Party, is it the real target?
• 44:57
  Because the Chinese Communist Party has been doing this deception and warfare. They love it. Or heck, they their recorded history is a thousand years longer than than Western civilization. They're really good at this. So if we know Taiwan is their target, maybe it leaked, maybe it's obvious, or maybe they want us to be looking to the East while they feign, while they attack west.
• 45:23
  Seth Holehouse: And one other thing that, you know, I've talked about before in a previous show is if you look at the types of people that will go and get the jab, right, you can almost make us put a scale and say like, okay, here's the constitution on this side and here's the opposite of that. The closer a person gets to valuing and treasuring the constitution and having the heart to protect it, you could probably say the least likely they are to go out and get that experimental thing, right? And so if you then say you make a rule where okay, if you don't get it, you're getting kicked out of the military. I guarantee you that that was their way of purging the most loyal to the constitution people within the military. Mean, it's like, those are the people that would have refused to take the orders that to turn against their own people, etcetera.
• 46:08
  And so now and so so piecing this all together, and and I know that no one has a timeline, I think there's also there's a massive amount instability internally at China. And that's what, you know, something that's interesting is that, you know, it's like, you know, you know, I forget there was one of the sayings about like, you know, man plans and God laughs. Right? So it's like even like the best laid plans, I can still really fall to waste. And, you know, there's folks that, know, from different sources that I've got that have been saying that within China that something else has happened there with regards to COVID.
• 46:42
  Like, with regards to something spreading. And there's actually been massive, massive deaths there. Like larger than we can even imagine and fathom here, but they've they've hidden them. Right? Because going back to art of war, right, when you're weak act strong.
• 46:55
  And so the one thing that the China is feigning right now is strength. Like they're really feigning strength, but I suspect that what's really happening there behind the wall of censorship and everything is that their country is really on the verge of collapse. And there's a there's like that's a whole episode to talk about actually, you know, the different indicators of that. Right. But I guess that in some ways could make them more likely to be erratic and because they're backed into that corner and they don't have a choice, you know, because one way you kickstart a company, a country and get it out of a rut is going to war.
• 47:31
  It changes everything, rewrites everything all at once. And so
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: It also lets you lock down.
• 47:36
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Because of war, you get to lock down and keep people in, and then you drop a few bombs in the distance or put some amplifiers and people will lock down themselves. They don't want to get bombed.
• 47:46
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. And so do you think so I two questions. The first one is, which will take some time to go over, but do you think that they that we're approaching a time where we might see some pretty heavy action from the CCP in terms of actually starting to make some serious moves like in terms of, you know, we're being at, we're at the point of that last marble, right? That like they're almost at the final point of the strategy where it's ripe. So that's the first question is the timing and what you see with that.
• 48:18
  But the other thing is just what we can do, right? And maybe we can kind of round out the conversation with that conversation of, you know, just for the people that are watching the people that that want to fight for the constitution and in the right ways, right? It's like, can we defend our families, our communities, and our country from these globalists and communists?
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: These are great questions. So I will try to keep it brief. On the first question, are we close to that last marble dropping? And I I I believe you're trying to say, are we close to a a a very large kinetic type of of action by the Chinese Communist Party? Yes.
• 48:59
  I would also say, and the big reason for that is twenty twenty four presidential election in The United States is a huge coin toss. And as we can see the powers that be, and I just say that the enemy, I think, is a way to cover it. They're doing everything they can to make sure Donald Trump does not run-in that election and so and to keep the puppet Joe Biden in the in the seat even though he can barely stand. So, kinetically, yes, I think big kinetic action is, not only about to happen. I think we've been seeing it systematically happening within Africa and parts of Southeast Asia, in smaller doses.
• 49:50
  Within this country, I think the unrestricted warfare, which I I I have to tell people, like, cease what you know about battle and what a battlefield looks like. The god of war has many faces, and everything in unrestricted warfare is a battlefield, whether that's the boardroom, the hospital, the protest, Houston embassy, for instance. But it's all a battlefield. So you can't as as Americans, people really need to learn what I was taught in my early intelligence training back in the nineties and throughout my career. The biggest problem and the biggest, pitfall of being a good objective intelligence analyst or investigator is you have to resist the urge to mirror image.
• 50:44
  No. They wouldn't do that. Why do people say that? Because you wouldn't do that. You are not them.
• 50:50
  We are not them. Okay. They are them. They look at us totally differently than we look at them. But there's a a sense of Western, especially people in Western democracies, and especially with people who have lived, you know, in that upper middle class being where they haven't been really exposed to that much danger, you know, to mirror image.
• 51:12
  Like, they think like us, so they wanna do that. People forget, you know, the Chinese Communist Party was literally killing babies during their one child policy. I mean, forced abortions. Mean, people forget that, you know, within, you know, a hundred you know, within the span of a hundred years, we had the Holocaust. We had the purges under Stalin.
• 51:34
  We had Mao. We had a I mean, for people to think people wouldn't do horrible things to other countries is, it means their brains are broken, and they need to to get off social media and read a book and read some history and read a lot of it and talk to their neighbors because people do horrible things. Listen to a true true crime podcast. Like, yes, they would, and they have a reason to. They they want what we have.
• 52:02
  They just don't want us. So on that note, kinetically, yes, I think something big is going to happen. It'll either be, you know, by accident. We have a lot of big ships kinda coming close to each other. We had a lot of near misses two weeks ago.
• 52:16
  That's how wars start. And now we have a new nuclear arms race as I posted the other night or last night where China is doubling its manufacturing and production of nuclear weapons that can reach The United States. So two things need to happen. First, and did so I answered that, and I just wanna make sure. And you have a question in between what can people do, and if you wouldn't mind.
• 52:44
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, no. That was really that that was the main thing is, like, you what what you're seeing in timeline. Okay. Just just the reality of it. Because there's a lot of people that they they I've read a lot of comments, they'll say, Oh, China would never attack us.
• 52:55
  They would never do this for any reason. But I think a lot of that is this cognitive dissonance in saying that the Holocaust would never happen again. You know I mean? Like, humans have changed. It's like if I look at the morality of mankind, like now versus a hundred years ago, it's like almost every indicator to me shows that our morality is like plummeting off of a cliff.
• 53:18
  So the amount of evil that could be done now, I wouldn't say it's any less than what could have been done a hundred a hundred years ago.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at I agree with you. And then look at look at commentators, and I'll just say it on MSNBC. During the January, because that's all they were. But look at some of the commentators were were actually saying, we should shoot drone strikes on these people. We should and that they're okay with locking them up without charging them.
• 53:51
  They're okay with them dying. There was, I forgot who he was, one commentator saying, shoot them. We're referring to guy, the January 6 Buffalo guy there. He's like, shoot them. That's what you're there for.
• 54:05
  Shoot them. Like, this is this is the ex hippies. Like, he seems to be the peace and love people with this blood lust, and it's human nature. And that's what people don't understand, and they hate to admit about themselves. But deep inside all of us, we all have the capacity to kill.
• 54:25
  It's really just a difference between do you have a framework of morality and ethics and a value of human life to not give in to that impulse? Because rage is a powerful thing, and it's a chemical thing. And once you give in to rage, you're giving into adrenaline, you get addicted to it. And people I see a lot of people getting addicted to it, not not going out and killing people, but it's the body doesn't know. The body is addicted now to that adrenaline, and that's why people are still, like, beating that trauma of, you know, kill everyone and then blow them up and kill Russians and all this.
• 55:00
  It's insane, but they're addicted to it now for the bloodlust. So what can people do? Well, first, people need to understand we're at war. You can't you can't fight in a war if you don't think there is a war. And I would really, really urge people to really read about unrestricted warfare.
• 55:20
  Watch more programs like yours. Read anything by Gordon Chang or general Robert Spaulding. Especially Robert Spaulding has a book called War Without Rules, and, you know, hope you don't mind me pumping that book, but it is one of the best books because he takes unrestricted warfare and he puts it into layman's terms. He puts it into the layman's terms. So that's what I would recommend people do because the way it's written, it's very flowery.
• 55:50
  The other thing people can do is, everyone says it, but it's true, you know, tweet away, you know, and do your research, but you gotta get involved. I mean, we're beyond now strategic intelligence. We're beyond caring. Like, I don't care if Bill Gates is involved with this or this or this. We know.
• 56:11
  And we had a thing in special forces where if you brought a piece of intelligence to the commander, you better be able to answer the question of, so what? Because it doesn't matter in combat what's happening at a strategic level. It doesn't matter what Xi Jinping's about to do. What matters is who's coming at you tactically? Who is the person in your sights?
• 56:36
  Who is the person breaking into your community or the groups coming into your communities? Because that's where the battle's fought. And if every community in America understands that your job is to defend this, not all that. Don't care about Bill Gates. Yes.
• 56:51
  He's he's horrible, but we know. We can't do anything about that. What you can do something about is how many special use permits are being approved in your county, in your town. The curriculum, you know, moms for liberty, I salute them. They they're awesome.
• 57:09
  You know? They honestly, I put them against most military units in the world. They're at the tactical level, community to community, taking over school boards, doing it doing it legally, doing it peacefully, but they're nonstop. And, you know, my hats off to all of them, Tiffany Justice and the rest of the Moms for Liberty. And the other thing people can do is study the enemy, not the Chinese Communist Party.
• 57:33
  Okay? Unless we're in a kinetic war studying the People's Liberation Army, it's interesting. It's it's important, but it's not gonna really help you now. Think back from 2020 through now. How has an how has the left attacked democracy in this country?
• 57:51
  The left and those who support them. And what they do is they do it through small collectives of people and, you know, using online tools like ActBlue and OpenCollective.com to mount these Insta Insta campaigns to protest outside Supreme Court justices' homes that actually led to an assassination attempt on one of them. And how did they were effective. Think about think about what happened in this country. They were effective.
• 58:27
  Now I'm not saying go burn things down, but what I am saying is don't you know, they're not sitting on Twitter. Okay? They're out there raising hell. People need to limit Twitter. It's addictive, and it's addictive on purpose.
• 58:44
  But do something. It's like, you know what? If there is something happening in your town, don't tell me about it on Twitter. Get your friends and family together and go protest and go make it difficult for these to operate. These things happen.
• 58:58
  One Health has been creeping into our government for decades, and it's because people are being distracted. K? It doesn't matter what's going on with Donald Trump right now unless you're actively on his legal team. It doesn't matter what's going on with Hunter Biden unless you're one of the investigators. What matters is what is happening in any town in The USA right next to you, what can affect you right now and in your home or affect your children or your family or your friends or your or your pets.
• 59:27
  And that's the thing you fight right now. And if everyone focuses on their sector at their echelon, then this country is unstoppable, and this can be turned around in no time. And then just like our intelligence system, you might get valuable intelligence that you can't use tactically, end it up the chain. You know? It might be about a school district decision.
• 59:49
  It might be about Donald Trump. It might be about Bill Gates. Then send it up to the chain to the people that can do something. You you stay in your lane. Let them do theirs.
• 59:59
  Right now, everyone's going this way, going this way like a barbarian horde. We need to be disciplined, and we need to act the way the bad guys are acting, and that's in an organized Roman legion type of fashion. Because until we get there, you have all the righteousness you want, all the intel you want, but if you're not organized, you're going to lose.
• 1:00:20
  Seth Holehouse: Such good points. I think one of the big takeaways I take from that message is that it's do things that you can actually take ownership of, Like, participate in ways that you have accountability and that you can control. You can't we can't control what's happening in DC. Even if we try to use our vote, we can't control it. Right?
• 1:00:38
  So not to say don't vote, of course, you still should, but they've they've really compromised so much of those systems at that level. But it's at that it's at the ground level, you know, talking to our neighbors, learning how to garden, you know, baking bread, you know, you know, learning how to use a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: file
• 1:00:55
  Seth Holehouse: And
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: getting a big mob people. Yes. Definitely. And getting a big mob of people peacefully and legally over to the voting stations and watching every move they make.
• 1:01:05
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. You know?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Following every car that's carrying ballots. There's no law against following cars. I know I'm an investigator. I, you know, followed cars my whole life. There's no there's no there's no expectation of privacy in a public setting.
• 1:01:19
  So get everyone over to the, you know, the voting stations. Don't harass people. Don't break the law. But you're allowed to be there no matter what someone says. Got a lawyer.
• 1:01:27
  Bring them along. Bring her along. But, yeah, learn to do a firearm because every single one of these things that creates a a no go or a slow go area for the enemy is a good thing because it takes resources, and war is all about attrition. Okay? And you have to wear down the enemy's resources.
• 1:01:48
  You have to stretch their supply lines. Those supply lines could be the message. Those supply lines could be money. You know? It's you you have to make every step of the war difficult for the enemy just like we saw in Vietnam.
• 1:02:03
  The Viet Cong, they did a good job of that. Every inch of that war was fought, you know, that battle, that police action was was difficult, and they wore us down. You know, they wore us down because it was just too costly.
• 1:02:18
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Exactly.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: So we make it costly for them.
• 1:02:22
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Well before we sign off I wanna bring up your, two things. One is your Substack. So just Brian O'Shea, that's Brian O S H E A dot substack dot com and also just you on Twitter. So just Brian O'Shea S P I on Twitter.
• 1:02:40
  I think that I've, you know, I've been following you and I've learned a lot because this is also that is part of it. So it's like, you're gonna use Twitter, use it for researching and doing these kinds of things, which is really important. So, Brian, just want to thank you again for coming on and sharing your knowledge with us and just thank you for what you're doing between you and your wife. You guys are really a positive force for good in this world. This is really important.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:03:05
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Thanks again for coming on and look forward to next time.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, and it's always a pleasure. And hats off to you all that what you're doing. You're getting the message out, and and it's all it's all important. So thank you for having myself and and in the past my wife on and Absolutely. Keep doing what you're doing.
• 1:03:24
  I really appreciate it.
• 1:03:25
  Seth Holehouse: Alright. I appreciate that as well. Thank you so much. Alright, folks. I hope you enjoyed that interview.
• 1:03:32
  I've actually now got an economic update with Kirk Kelly, and this is gonna be a really interesting show. For one, there's actually some extremely positive news as it relates to central bank digital currency and the resistance to that, which is surprising because normally the economic stuff is pretty heavy. So that's one thing. But also, we're gonna have a follow-up discussion on last week's show where we're talking about some of the stuff that Kirk is seeing with these gold companies and these invoices where people are being literally just robbed. And he's actually going to be talking to us about like even one woman in particular.
• 1:04:06
  So gold right now is about $2,000 an ounce, give or take. One of these clients that reached out to Kirk and said, please can you help me review this portfolio was charged over $70,000 per ounce of gold. And I'm not kidding. So we're gonna be digging into this and also looking at solutions and just trying to offer some just good just good advice on how to handle these things. So anyway, enjoy this interview with Doctor.
• 1:04:33
  Kirk Elliott. Kirk, man, it is great to have you back on the show as always.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's so great to be with you. I hope you had an amazing weekend. We did. So we had literally our whole team came in from all over the country for the weekend. We did some intensive training, had some fun at the park, ate more pizza, and I know what to think about.
• 1:04:59
  But it was really cool. And actually, David and Stacey Whitehead from FlyOver Conservatives came out as they were on their way to another meeting and wanted to meet the whole team. It's like, they said, Kurt, this is like the most incredible experience ever. We've never seen a culture like this, which is one of our philosophy, people over profit, right? But that requires a culture of love and a culture of grace and a culture of servanthood.
• 1:05:30
  And I was so blessed. I mean, I almost got goosebumps on my arms when I walked into the room, saw all of these people, you know, all of these team members from all over the country coming in. It's like, man, it's a lot of people loving people and helping them. It just made me feel really good.
• 1:05:48
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, that's good. Yeah, actually, so for Father's Day was a special day. It was also my birthday. So I got to do like Father's Day birthday on the exact same day. Yeah.
• 1:05:59
  Felt like the stars aligned. So we cooked down and my mom made homemade key lime pie and it was just it was just wonderful. Amazing. Yeah. So, you know, Kirk, it's interesting because we did an interview last week, which went up in most places over this weekend.
• 1:06:18
  And we were talking about just what's happening in the gold industry, right? So specifically,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of
• 1:06:25
  Seth Holehouse: the precious metal dealers that, you know, actually do kind of what you're doing, you know, they they either participate or they have relationships with influencers. Those influencers have the, you know, trust. So you might like, oh, this is my favorite show host. And so because I like this guy's perspective, I can trust him on the news. These, you know, precious metals companies really kind of play off of that trust.
• 1:06:48
  And I think that in most cases, I'll say it's probably good and they take care of people. There's a lot of really good businesses in this industry. But what you started seeing, which is what we talked about, and what a lot of people are now chattering about after seeing our interview is that there's also some companies, and we're not gonna get into the details of these companies, and we'll talk about why and how people can still understand, you know, whether they got ripped off or not. But that these people are not just, you know, kind of being more greedy with their profits, but it's almost like they're it's blind, outright blind. They're robbing people blind.
• 1:07:27
  Right? The people that don't understand. And so I just wanted to see because in the show, we talked about and said, hey, look, if you're curious about this, you know, you know, contact here's Ashley. This is the the CEO for Kirk Elliott's company. Here's her email.
• 1:07:41
  Contact them. So I just wanted to see, you know, from your side of things, what's the response been? What are you seeing happening since that discussion you and I had?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Well, so just since 09:00 last night, we've had well, as of this morning, I haven't checked this afternoon, but thirteen over the night, you know, while people were sleeping, portfolio reviews came in. And I look at the first one, it's like, oh, man, this one's gonna be bad. You know, and I could just tell, because what we do is we look at the date that the metals are purchased, what spot price was, what the premium over spot was, and what they should have paid. And we're looking at 91%, one hundred and fifteen %, three forty four %. Even even if it's 40% greater than spot.
• 1:08:34
  Right? That's double what you should pay. And and and the average that I'm seeing is about well, let's see if spots $24 an ounce, the average I'm seeing is 67 to $70 an ounce for silver. Dollars.
• 1:08:50
  Seth Holehouse: That's the average you're seeing.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's the average max.
• 1:08:54
  Seth Holehouse: Than three times, like almost triple or quadruple the value of spot.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's not just one sample size from one bad company. This is like company after company after company. That's really the norm. It's like, oh my word.
• 1:09:07
  Because our goal now everybody has a different philosophy, right? And so, so some of these companies would say, well, you gotta have a collectible. You have to have this. The premiums are gonna expand over time because of the rarity. Was like baloney.
• 1:09:19
  I've never seen it in like twenty nine years. It just doesn't happen that way. So really the reason dealers like them is because they come with a story, right? They all have a story. They're easier to sell and you make double to triple the amount of commission.
• 1:09:34
  But to me, to maximize your wealth, minimize your cost, maximize the number of ounces that you own, and be in the right side of the transaction, meaning right now we're in silver rather than gold because of the ratio between the two metals. Right? So, what's even worse is when I see somebody who got like proof gold or old rare coins on the gold side, it's like, A, they're in the wrong metal. B, they're in something they're never going to recover from. It's like just a double whammy.
• 1:10:07
  Like one lady had paid, you know, for a point zero four ounce of gold. I mean, literally, it's like this big. Considering a dime is like a tenth of an ounce almost. It's a little bit smaller than that. It's like seven so 7.15% of an ounce, right?
• 1:10:28
  It would be a dime. Well, imagine something that's half of the size of a dime. You paid $3,500 for that $77,000 an ounce. It's like, in the world? What kind of a sales pitch was set for that?
• 1:10:42
  So bottom line is we got 13 of these portfolio valuations, and we're having consultations with all of them being set up this week to go over that and say, okay, don't lose sleep out of it. Now let's get you figured out how we can help, how we can unravel some of these things and get you into more ounces that are going to grow dollar for dollar with the gold or silver market. Right? But as I'm looking at this, you're right, the company doesn't matter. It's irrelevant.
• 1:11:13
  The point is people watching all of these shows in Patriot world, right, and on Rumble and everywhere else, need to just know how to buy gold and silver. I mean, that that's the bottom line. And so that's why we do it and why the names of the companies are absolutely irrelevant. And but what is not irrelevant is the prices that are paid, understanding how these markets work. And just like anything, like in real estate, you have the saying, well, location, location, location, right?
• 1:11:42
  In the stock and bond world, it's like buy low and sell high or in anything like that. Never overpay for something, right? I mean, there's all these little slogans. Well, they all apply here too. Right?
• 1:11:54
  It's like, don't overpay, be in the right place at the right time, which would be silver right now because of where the ratio between the two metals, gold and silver are. And and a lot of people will and I've seen a lot of platinum. I've seen a lot of platinum in these portfolio reviews. Well, because if you look at a chart, platinum's gone through the roof. Why?
• 1:12:16
  Because there's a conflict in Russia and Ukraine, and it's heavily controlled and and produced in in those countries there. It's like when there's a conflict and there's export controls, the price is gonna go through the roof. But as soon as the conflict ends, they come down to earth. The investor never becomes whole on that because they paid for it at an artificially propped up premium because it was bought during a conflict where there's export controls on those goods and services. So here's where we have to understand the political, the economic puzzle pieces, put them together, and that tells us a big story of how we can protect and preserve and grow and thrive.
• 1:12:57
  But with all of that being said, I am absolutely disgusted, just disgusted with the actions of other firms in the industry because it gives everybody a bad name. It's like you're taking advantage of people. It is outright, in my opinion, theft. You're going to have to answer to God someday because of this. It's like Jesus is going to look at you and say, Okay, how did you handle the assets that I gave you and the gifts that I entrusted you and all the talents?
• 1:13:29
  And we judge on your motives, your actions, your words on everything, right? And it's like, look at some of this stuff, it's like, Oh my word. Oh my word. This is just awful. But at least we can help and get people into a better position that they can actually get this is where I have a smile on my face.
• 1:13:47
  We can actually get to a point of that portfolio responding to the fundamentals of the markets, the the unsustainable debt, the inflationary pressures, the political chaos, the geopolitical conflict, everything that the investor thought that they were going to experience when they allocated, we can actually get them to that point.
• 1:14:07
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. And so and I wanna look at a few different things in this discussion. And we all we've also got some some news items and actually this poll about central bank digital currency that I really want to get to because this actually makes me smile. It's really kind of positive, which we'll get to that, but I think this is a really important show. And so, you know, I used to work at some point in my life I was in the jewelry industry.
• 1:14:30
  I had it, I started an auction house, then even you had a little buying and selling business. I had a little office and I was the guy that when somebody was coming in and they're saying, hey, I've got gold coins or I've got silver bars to sell you, like I was the guy buying them actually exchanging those for cash. That was my job. Had, you know, I knew what I was doing but it wasn't like, like, I saw that end of it. And so, you know, that's one of the reasons why I, you know, obviously, know you and I know your faith and your values and your patriotism, and but I know how you conduct your business.
• 1:15:05
  And I know that your your approach is that, you know, you're not the absolute bottom dollar cheapest. Like if someone was price shopping, maybe they can save 2% over here or 1% over here. But the thing is, is that with when it comes to gold and silver in general or things like even jewelry, diamonds, you're buying an engagement ring. Trust is the most important factor. And if someone you came in and say they're, you know, was helping them shop for a diamond ring, they wanted to spend $30 on an engagement ring.
• 1:15:31
  If I couldn't help them with it, I would recommend somebody and say, Look, you can trust this person, right? And that's the most important thing. And it's just, it really saddens me because I think about the kind of people, like if we look at where we're at in history, say there's an older woman that's watching Man in America, say she's 75 years old and she's been saving her whole life, she's got three children, you know, six grandchildren, you know, she might, you know, maybe she owns her house, maybe she's got $200,000 sitting in an IRA, or in a bank, you know, savings account, whatever it is. You know, this is a woman that obviously I think if you watch this show probably loves God, loves the country, is a patriot, wants to do everything possible within her resources to help save this country. And this is the kind of person that's calling in and taking her $200,000 she's being sold $30,000 in metals.
• 1:16:24
  Like literally, like that's that's the equation. So people are stealing, not just from anybody. Look, like, if somebody was targeting like Antifa with some scheme to to rob them, I'd probably say like, well, you know, you got it coming. Right? But these are like good God fearing Americans, patriots that are out there trying to do good for our country.
• 1:16:46
  And these are the ones that are being targeted by companies that present themselves as patriot, American first, you know, conservative value. It's just, it's just, it's mind blowing to me. And so with some of the folks that you're seeing coming in, I mean, the one that you mentioned that is paying what you say 70, over $70,000 an ounce for gold, like that is just, it's, it's mind blowing. But what are some other things that you're seeing come in?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: So some of the other things that I'm seeing, well, I told you the average is about, you know, pushing $70 an ounce for silver, which is you shouldn't with silver spot price being about $24 an ounce, you shouldn't be paying over 30. Right? 30, that's the benchmark right there, okay, to a silver at 24. So when you're seeing that much more, it's like, oh my word, this is crazy. But another thing that I'm seeing is an individual retirement account or an IRA, that's an investment, right?
• 1:17:45
  You should never fund an investment with collectibles because an investment means you want to buy low and sell high, and you're ultimately going to lock in profits. So I've got a lot of clients that I'm seeing, they're putting like proof, you know, gold or silver in there, which means it's something that's graded, it's a higher end price. And when I look at that, it's like they were fed a line of garbage because you should never put a collectible as an investment opportunity. Right? It's a collector's item.
• 1:18:17
  Now, if you're a collector, so be it. Right? You buy all the collections you want, whether they're stamps or baseball cards or gold or silver or I don't care. Right? But if you're an investor, don't go into collectibles.
• 1:18:30
  Right? So I've got IRAs that are basically full of proof coins, MS 70 proof silver Eagles, MS 70 proof gold Eagles, or they don't even have to be graded. The MS is a mint state. That's a grading. You can just have a proof gold or silver and you way overpay for them, like a hundred dollars an ounce.
• 1:18:52
  It's insane. It's like maximize your ounces, minimize your cost, and that's how you can grow your wealth. So I'm seeing a lot of that in there. And then when I look at, now, this is just my strategy, right? Other firms might have a different strategy is we are 100% in silver.
• 1:19:13
  Why? Because I want to minimize risk and maximize return. And what the ratio tells us is that silver is undervalued compared to gold historically. So therefore, gold and silver both equally as safe, but what do I wanna do? I want to maximize that growth.
• 1:19:29
  And if silver over the next year to year and a half doubles or triples the rate of growth of gold, which it's on pace to do that, what does that mean? We could sell it then and then get you two to three times more ounces of gold twelve to eighteen months from now than what I could have purchased for you today if it doubles or triples that rate of growth. It's already started to do that. Silver since Biden occupied the White House has almost doubled the rate of growth of gold since that time. So this is not some kind of pie in the sky theory.
• 1:19:59
  It's actually the reality, which is why we allocate like this. But I believe that trend line is accelerating, And at some point, we're going to get a tripling or even more of ounces of gold down the road that you don't have to pay extra for because we leverage silver to get to that point. That's a ratio trading strategy that we that we utilize. I've been utilizing that for well over two decades to minimize risk and maximize return in the same sentence.
• 1:20:28
  Seth Holehouse: I see. So that makes sense. And so, you know, for people that are, you know, have bought before or are thinking about it, you know, what's what are just some simple steps someone can go through? I'll say this, you know, the caveats like, look, whether someone, you know, uses your company or not, like, that's the key is that it doesn't really matter. The key is to have the tools so that you know what you're doing.
• 1:20:52
  It's like, know how to buy diamonds. I was trained for, you know, over a decade, like on buying diamonds. And so I know how to go in and how to price them. I know how to make sure that they're not fake, etc. You know, and so it was only with that confidence that training would I be comfortable spending, you know, tens of thousands of dollars to buy and sell a diamond for instance.
• 1:21:10
  But the problem is with, you know, gold, it's not like real estate. So you know, say you want to invest in a real estate property, say you want to buy a, you know, a two bedroom condo, you know, in Miami, right? You can go on and say, okay, they're asking $700,000 for it. Well, you can find comparables, you go to Zillow, oh, the Zestimate seven thirty five, like, oh, okay, Here's some comparables. Oh, that makes sense.
• 1:21:32
  Like, most people will do a lot of research before buying a house or a car, right? Like when they're spending a large amount of money, but with gold or silver, like, the sort the figures you're seeing are way more than the average house. You know, we're talking millions of dollars in some people's portfolios, yet they're not actually, they're not actually using their critical thinking to say, okay, is this a fair purchase? Right? Like people will scrutinize the the cost of, you know, some some cords, some HDMI cords on Amazon, like, more heavily than they're scrutinizing moving their couple hundred thousand dollar IRA in terms of, like, making sure the price is right, it has good reviews and all that stuff.
• 1:22:12
  So what are the basic, like basic kind of tips for the toolbox of someone that's getting into say buying silver at this point?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: Well, number, so there's quantitative aspects and qualitative both. So qualitative, make sure that you trust the person that you're talking to, because they're going to be advising you on your portfolio for hopefully a long, long time. If they're implementing a strategy, you better have somebody who understands that strategy moving forward. So that's more of a gut feeling. Like when people are talking to me, Well, do I trust Kirk or do I not?
• 1:22:47
  Do I trust the other company or do I not? Right? You go with somebody that you trust. Now, quantitatively, here's simple general rule of thumb. We want to maximize our ounces and minimize our cost.
• 1:23:01
  Right? So in the world of silver, that would equate to today, thousand ounce bars, hundred ounce bars, 10 ounce bars, or one ounce silver rounds, generic refinery rounds. That's it. So if you're not buying one of those, you shouldn't really buy anything because the premiums are too high.
• 1:23:20
  Seth Holehouse: Here's an example. Like I said, I would have it sitting on my desk. This is a just a generic 10 ounce bar. I think you know, when I bought this, I think I bought this back when I had my business, right? So I paid, you know, right around this the actual price of spot for it, but this is the example just it's, it's, it's a generic bar, right?
• 1:23:39
  But the other thing is that the tricky thing with buying generics is that sometimes people will sell you fake generics. That's why you need to know that you're buying generic from someone that stands behind what they're selling you. But you know, this is, you know way way way cheaper this is the whole idea right you say maximize ounces right minimize costs so this is way less expensive so if I would have bought 10 American Eagles right which you know have a very high premium especially these days you know, I would have paid, you know, I could have paid almost 50% more, if not more, right, that same amount of silver, but because at the end of the day, if we're looking at this is a part of the equation I'd like to kind of get your input on, but most people are buying precious metals because they're concerned that at some point in the future, we're going to see a collapse the dollar, the collapse of the banking system, the collapse of, you know, a lot of the global structures that kind of maintain the structure that allows a fiat currency like the dollar to actually have its value and have purchasing power.
• 1:24:40
  And so even more so, it's like, think about this, even more so if the dollar collapses or, you know, or we kind of tailspin into a Great Depression, do you think people are gonna be like, You know what, I really like that, that print, you know, that that proofed silver from 1984, that's like a double stamp, I'm gonna give you three times the value for it, like even more so at that time, like no one's gonna care about collectability, like doesn't matter if you've got a Michelangelo painting, you know, people are gonna be like, I I want to trade you something of value for this milk. So it's like, it's even more
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: It's so true. In a barter world, nobody's gonna care about the premium. Nobody's gonna care if it was a collector. They just simply want ounces. So in all of the world of silver, different countries, different years, different vintages, different grades.
• 1:25:31
  Are they slabbed? Are they not? Are they collectibles? Are they not? Are they semi numismatics?
• 1:25:35
  Are they bullion? You've got all those literally thousands of choices. I boiled it down to a thousand ounce bars, hundred ounce bars, 10 ounce bars, or one ounce refinery rounds. That's it. Four things, right?
• 1:25:46
  And on the gold side, it's even simpler. A one ounce gold bar or a kilo bar, depending on the size of your portfolio. Those options minimize your risk, maximize your return by lowering your cost per ounce. And it's something that's tradable, right? So if somebody says, Hey, look at this chart for platinum and palladium.
• 1:26:05
  It's amazing. You got to take advantage of it. It's like too thinly traded, too high risk, only look at the meat and potatoes of the investment world, which is gold and silver. It's all I would do right now. And right now, I wouldn't even do gold.
• 1:26:20
  I would only do silver. See, I'll start reallocating into gold with about 25% of a client's portfolio when the ratio comes down by 25%. So when we get to 60 to one, well, then I'll do 25% gold, 75% silver. When we get to 40 to one, I'll do fifty fifty, right? But right now with near all time highs at over 80 to one silver to gold ratio, that's why we're in silver because I want to minimize risk.
• 1:26:51
  I don't care what we're in as long as it's low cost bullion. Right? So stay away from anything that has a story or a collectability like, oh, Jack Sparrow has a shipwrecked coin, right? Or even better yet, somebody that we all, well, most people on this show would love is President Trump. The Trump coins, right?
• 1:27:13
  It's like, don't fall for it. Even though you might love the image on the coin, it can be gimmicky, right? So always just go with those four things that I talked about, and that's going to serve you good. And then lastly, don't overpay for them, Right? Because I've got clients in some of these portfolios that I've looked at that are in hundred ounce bars of silver.
• 1:27:37
  They are in rounds. But you know what? They paid too much for them. I mean, you shouldn't pay over, you know, with the wholesale price plus our 8% cost of ownership that sometimes, like, on a on a round brings you up to 20% over spot. Some of these are 60% over spot.
• 1:27:55
  They're the right thing, but you overpaid for them. Right? So don't and some of them, the premiums are okay on gold, but you shouldn't be in gold right now. We want to maximize our ounces, maximize that growth. Right?
• 1:28:09
  So there's a lot of things that we look at, and my goal is it's a pretty simple concept. Don't overpay, in fact, by value, by what the ratio is telling us is going to outperform, which is silver, because that's truly how you minimize risk and maximize returns. So, bottom line, you have to have trust and faith in the person you're dealing with because they're going to be advising you for hopefully a long time. Number two, don't buy anything unless it's those six things that I mentioned, thousand ounce bars, hundred ounce bars, 10 ounce bars, or one ounce rounds in silver, or one ounce bars or kilo bars in gold. Number three, don't overpay for them, right?
• 1:28:54
  Which on silver today, dollars 24 an ounce, shouldn't pay more than $30 an ounce for silver, even on a one ounce round, right? So you're going to be right in that ballpark. And that's pretty much it. Now, sometimes they're, Oh, I saw this one. So this was wild too.
• 1:29:11
  It's like they had all this garbage that was stored at a depository. It's like, Oh, but the depository storage was free. It's like, No, it's not. There's always a cost for storage. The reason it's free, and it's like, who is it?
• 1:29:26
  Is it the company that you bought it from? Well, yeah. It's like, okay. So there's no checks or balances there. They're probably overselling it over and over and over again.
• 1:29:35
  I can't confirm because I've never done business with them, but all I know is that there is a cost for safe storage. So whenever I hear that somebody's getting storage for free, where does my mind immediately go to where it normally goes in a situation like that is they're taking the same hundred ounce bar that they sold you and selling it over and over and over and over again, just like a fractional reserve bank would operate. Right? And it's like, okay, in a in a liquidity event, when you wanna lock in your capital, and so does everybody else probably at that time, because our goal is to buy low and sell high. Unless you're the first guy or gal in line, they might say, well, wait a second.
• 1:30:14
  We can't deliver right now. We're gonna have to wait a month, or we'll just put you on a waiting list. Well, why? Why? It's because they don't have it.
• 1:30:23
  They oversold it. Right? So that's why singular ownership is key and it costs for singular ownership storage. Right? So always store at a third party.
• 1:30:34
  That's why we use a Texas precious metals depository. That's not us. They have their own accountability. It's a major vault because I wouldn't ever even if it were us storing it for you, I'd say, that's a bad idea. There's no accountability there.
• 1:30:49
  There's no auditing there. Right? So, don't ever actually store it at the place where you buy it from. Always have it be a third party group that's storing it to add one more layer of protection and accountability to that.
• 1:31:04
  Seth Holehouse: That's helpful. And I want to touch on something you said and just kind of frame it because it took me a little bit to understand what it meant when Bill talked about the ratio, right? And so kind of how I've come to understand that is that basically, you know, the gold and silver have a price that goes up and down, right? You know, the as like most commodities, right? So obviously, there's the price of silver versus oil or, you know, the dollar, etc.
• 1:31:29
  But that ratio is really looking at the comparative price of gold versus silver. So let's just say if silver was $10 an ounce and gold was a hundred dollars an ounce, it'd be a 10 to one ratio. Right? And so because gold and silver typically move together, in in their prices, that when that ratio gets very wide, right, when silver becomes way lower than what it should be, right, like, isn't there there's a typical ratio that's kind of the average, right? Is it is it what was it one to 20 or what's the the the ratio
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: that's 20 to one is the historical norm, and that lasted for hundreds of years. Right? Where it means, simply put, 20 ounces of silver buys one ounce of gold. So if you had gold at, you know, dollars 500 an ounce, right? So what's 20 to one?
• 1:32:23
  Right? So how many ounces of silver does it take to equal $500 You just look at the ratio, right? Well, today, if you multiply silver, the price of silver times 83, it gets you the price of gold. That's what that ratio
• 1:32:39
  Seth Holehouse: So you're looking at that ratio. That's why you're saying there's, you know, there's more room like silver should be coming up. That's why you may because you can very easily move between the two. It's kind of like you're playing. It's almost as if you're betting on two horses that are, you know, the two leading horses, one's out in front.
• 1:32:57
  So you have all your money on that horse out in front, and then the other one comes out strong. So you're moving your money back over to that horse. You're constantly kind of shifting your assets to make sure you're in really the winning place. Is that is that the overall idea?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: It's the overall idea. So when you have a ratio of 83 to one where gold silver is today, tells you one of two things. Either silver is undervalued or gold is overvalued. It's all it tells you. But then you have to ask one more question.
• 1:33:25
  It's like, causes gold or silver to go up? Oh, unsustainable debt, inflationary pressures, political chaos, geopolitical conflict. Check. Check. Check.
• 1:33:33
  Check. Check. Everything that we've got, it causes gold and silver to go up. So gold is not overvalued. It's going to continue to grow, which means silver has some catch up to do.
• 1:33:44
  It's going to outperform. So that outperforming will cause the ratio to come down to eighty:one to seventy:one to sixty:one. At sixty:one, what do I do? I'm gonna lock in a quarter of the profits of silver and sell a quarter of what you have, roll that into gold, and I get you 25% more ounces, well, minus the 8% cost of ownership. Eight, let's see, that would be 17% more ounces than what you could have purchased on day one for free.
• 1:34:16
  Then when it comes down again and gets to 40 to one, another 17% more ounces for free. Now you see we're up to 34% more ounces than what you could have got on day one. Then it goes down to 30 to one. I'll do it again. Get down to 20 to one.
• 1:34:33
  At that point, we're a % in gold. And then you start going the ratio in the opposite direction and then compounding your ounces in silver. See, because I've got some clients that say, Kurt, you know, I've heard you and Seth talking a bunch. I don't trust the stock market at all. I think it's a rigged game.
• 1:34:52
  I don't think that it's ever gonna it's manipulated and blah, blah, blah. It's like, I'm never gonna go back into the paper world again. That's great because we can continually grow a person's portfolio just by going between gold and silver and silver to gold. Not only will that grow as the price of gold or silver go up, but we can compound their ounces and keep adding more ounces without them adding any new dollars to it by utilizing a ratio trading strategy. And that's not magic.
• 1:35:20
  It's just math. Right? So that's what we do to help a client grow, preserve, and yet thrive in the times that we're living in right now.
• 1:35:31
  Seth Holehouse: Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. So, okay, well, there's one other big thing I wanted to cover on today's show. And we talked about before and so obviously, you and I have talked a lot about central bank digital currency. And I know that the, you know, even for me when I first heard about it was like CBDC, was that like a marijuana product?
• 1:35:50
  It's like, no, no, central bank digital currency. And I think that a lot of the audience I'm seeing, they're really learning about this. It's becoming much more mainstream. You've got hosts like Glenn Beck or Tucker Carlson, they're now talking about CBDCs. And so something that came out recently, this is a poll that really gives me encouragement, right, and this is on I'll pull up the website.
• 1:36:10
  This is on Edward Griffin's website, the great Edward Griffin, I'm working on trying to get an interview with him, which I hope that we can do. And so here what it says is that poll, Americans don't want a central bank digital currency. And that's super encouraging to me. So basically, what the poll said was that they is from the independent institute. So they found that 34 oppose a CBDC while only 16% support it.
• 1:36:40
  And the rest of the people which is about half, almost exactly half, actually had no opinion, which shows me that that half that didn't know is they don't know what it is. But if someone sends you asks you a poll and you say, hey, Kirk, you know, what do you think about the, you know, the ACB four? You'd be like, I have no opinion. What's that? Right?
• 1:37:00
  But of the people that have learned about it, you know, the fact that 34% are opposing it and only 16%. So that's really it's more than double the people that actually want it are opposing it. That gives me a lot of hope because we know that look, in say in a country, it's like in Africa, you know, we've talked about that when they resorted to pretty draconian measures to force this. America, I would say is the most difficult place to roll out a draconian measure. And then we've been softened up from, you know, COVID and everything like that, but I still think that even more now than ever, that Americans there's this, there's this we're on the edge.
• 1:37:37
  We're on the edge of saying, look, you're you're pushing, you're pushing, you're pushing. It's like, I'm not gonna take it anymore. And so, obviously, we've talked about the threat of a CBDC, but that poll actually really gives me hope that when they try to roll this thing out, that they're not going to be able to because just like what Cliff High said, that they just, you know, he said there's three stages of what he understood that were gonna happen in the rollout of CBDC, all three stages would be rejected. And by the third stage, it's like it's instantly rejected. But anyway, I wanted to see what you think about that because to me, that's like, finally some positive financial news.
• 1:38:11
  Right?
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: It is so positive. I mean, truly, that that almost gives me goosebumps because there's so much fear that's gripping the hearts and minds of people thinking it's the mark of the beast and everything else. Right? But here's the thing. Two to one, by a factor of two to one, Americans don't want this.
• 1:38:29
  Right? Which tells us there's, like, grassroots opposition to this thing. Right? But it's not just here. You know, it was either I think it was Hong Kong or Shanghai that said, hey, China, we're not going to accept the BRICS nation's central bank digital currency, so a country is telling another country or we're not taking it.
• 1:38:52
  But here in America, you've got Texas that's actually sponsoring their own, you know, Texas state bank, state chartered bank backed by gold, right, in in response to or opposition to central bank digital currency. You've got Arkansas that's having a gold backed dollar instead of central bank digital currency. You already have Wyoming, Utah, Oklahoma that are doing the same thing. Ron DeSantis said, not in Florida. We're not taking central bank digital currency at all.
• 1:39:22
  So so what does this tell us? Tells us there's countries and there's states here in America that are saying, nope. We're not gonna we're not going to go with this complete loss of freedom gig. This is not what America wants. And so to me that tells me that there's hope.
• 1:39:38
  And there's also, that to me parallels what the Bible says, right? Because when you read Revelation 13, it says no man, woman, child should take the mark, right? Don't take the mark of the beast. There's consequences to it, right? But it doesn't say that there are no choices.
• 1:39:56
  It says do not take it, which means there is a choice, right? So when we when you read that, people look at this apocalyptic view of what's coming, and I believe it is probably the mark of the piece. That's my own personal opinion. I think it's really bad when they have the ability to cut you off from buying or selling and it's digital. This is in their own words.
• 1:40:15
  It's like, else is it that? Right? I don't know.
• 1:40:18
  Seth Holehouse: Well, tell you something quickly, Kirk. So I was at, at the mall over the weekend, you know, doing some shopping. And I was at just kind of was just curious. Amazon has these stores now. It was like the Amazon style store.
• 1:40:30
  Was looking for a dress for my wife with her. She kind of walked in and like, okay, what is this? And they literally had this little kiosk, right, that said, pay with your palm. Like that's what the kiosk said. And it was like, didn't I read that somewhere?
• 1:40:46
  Right? Like, it was just it was so creepy that like, you know, we've been talking about stuff, to walk by this little kiosk that says, pay with your palm, where it's like scan your palm to make your payment. It just like, it was like, ah, this is, this is too, it's too real. I walked straight out of
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: the I mean, that's Amazon, the largest retailer in the world, online retailer. I was at Whole Foods walking home the other day, walked through it because I had heard about this and I wanted to see if Whole Foods had it. Sure enough, they did. Right next to the little thing where you can put your card in, you insert it, or you just use the frequency ID thing and just lay it there. They had a palm reader thing at Whole Foods as well.
• 1:41:30
  It's like, oh my word, this is like wild. I mean, this is really wild. But here's what I know about my God, is he's a God of choice. Right? So, when you're of the Christian faith, you have the choice to accept Jesus or the choice to reject Him.
• 1:41:49
  God didn't make robots. He gave you a choice. He gave you the choice to sin or not to sin. Just like with this system, this mark of the beast system, he says, don't take it, which implies that there is a choice. Right?
• 1:42:02
  If there wasn't a choice, it wouldn't be in there for us to to heed that warning. Right? So here's where, oh, there's a choice. And, oh, there's all kinds of states that are coming up with a new system that say they don't want it. Oh, two Americans to one don't want it.
• 1:42:19
  Oh, we've got other countries that say they're not gonna accept central bank digital currency from other countries. See, we're starting to see major opposition to a movement that they're trying to shove down our throats, right, and say, you're gonna have no choice. Now, I'm not saying that it's going to be an easy choice. I think people are going to have a hard moral and ethical dilemma because they say, you want your social security, you're probably going to have to take the system. If you're going to want your retirement benefits, you're probably going to have to take the system.
• 1:42:50
  If you want to do business at any X number of banks, you're going to have to take the system, right? I mean, they're going to make it difficult to say no. But I want to encourage everybody, nothing in life that's good is ever easy, right? And so make that hard decision. But here's where we're on the forefront of things.
• 1:43:10
  So, we've been talking about this stuff for a while, been sounding the warning cry, and you know what? The stuff is happening. It's like, wow, it's happening. So one of the alternative systems could be silver for barter, could be a gold backed dollar, like what other states are doing. And so I'd say, in something like this, I would rather be twelve months, nine months, three months early than one day late.
• 1:43:32
  Cause if you're one day late, it might be too late because here's where when they control the outflow and the purse strings on the money through the flip of a switch, if you put your money into that system, chances are you're not getting it out. We've already seen that, where the billionaire investor in Germany had money in HSBC in Shanghai, and he tried to get it out, they said, Nope, not unless you can provide source of income for twenty years. It's like, who has that? Right? So they're basically holding his money hostage.
• 1:44:03
  It's already in that system, and it's not coming out. See, this is, I believe, a foreshadowing of more horrible things to come where they're gonna want to command and control every aspect of your life by controlling what you buy or sell. So that's why I'm shouting it from the rooftops, I will until there's only I will do it if there's only one person listening. I will do it until everyone has heard this message and they've all had a chance to respond. It's like, don't do it.
• 1:44:31
  Don't take it. Allocate into physical metals, because I think it's one of the safe haven options to get out of harm's way and to thrive in this environment we're talking about.
• 1:44:43
  Seth Holehouse: It makes you think that even the original choice was given to Eve. Do you want to take the bite or not? It wasn't forced. Think that's a really important principle that I've been reflecting on a lot is that everything is still our choice. We have our we have free will.
• 1:45:02
  And like Satan's agenda is to try to convince us that we don't have free will, or or make it so that we don't even know we're making a choice that we're already making a choice, right? Like all the people that are now like on their third booster, because they didn't think it was a choice, right? We have free will. That's what God gave us. And that's what that's the founding fathers, they understood.
• 1:45:23
  It's amazing. They can create and craft this constitution that separates the powers and gives it to the states, not the federal government, that can protect us from a central bank digital currency when you have it so that states like Texas or Florida say, nuh-uh, we're not playing this game. This is against the constitution. It's just it's amazing. Like, if that's not the hand of God, I don't know what is.
• 1:45:45
  So anyway, it's funny, Curt, because this, you know, this is a very serious topic, especially the first half of today's show. But there's also there's just a lightness to it. And especially with that poll, it's like it just reminds me it's like a lot of times, we feel lonely, especially people that are awake to what's really happening in the world and our friends and our family a lot of they maybe don't speak to us. But just know that the majority of Americans are actually on the same side. Right?
• 1:46:13
  And it's like it's part of that psyop, it's part that satanic psyop to make us think that we're all alone. We're the absolute minority, but actually it's the opposite. So well, Kirk, if someone wants to have you go have you or your team review their portfolio or help them with that, like what process they go through? You said a lot of people reach out over the weekend how they do that.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: So simply just email Ashley, our CEO, and she'll she'll get me the either her myself will do the portfolio evaluation and get back in touch with you. So that's just Ashley, a s I'm sorry, a s h l e y, ashleykirk elliotphd dot com. Just email you, email her the portfolio evaluations that you have, or actually the invoices, and we'll do evaluation on it for you.
• 1:47:05
  Seth Holehouse: The other thing is that, if, well, I'll put her email in the description to the show. They can also go to goldwithseth.com, goldwithseth Com. There's a phone number there they want to call up (720) 605-3900. Or you scroll to the bottom there's actually that form right there and there's there's areas of you know for some notes where you can actually say hey I'd like to have a review of this so that's another way of getting a hold of people don't want to send an email, they want to do a form. But anyway, I mean, Kirk, it's, it's great as usual to have you on.
• 1:47:42
  And it's just, it's interesting because maybe it's just, it's a place where I'm at also, that there's just something special about this time in history. And for whatever reason, I'm looking towards the future with so much optimism, even though it's really dark, and there's so much evil corrupt stuff everywhere. Like what I'm also seeing is that the inverse is happening and that there's this massive just energy and surge of people that want to return back to tradition and be good and bring virtue back into our society again. So just it gives me a lot of hope.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: Likewise. Me too. So I have a smile on my face in the midst of crisis because there is help.
• 1:48:26
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Well, thank you, Kirk. Have a wonderful rest of your week.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: I will. You too. Bye bye. You.