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The Sting of a Vikings Loss, Sting Pong, and the Sting of more QB Drama | TSH Ep. 162 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: Alright, hey Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode of
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  Speaker 1: The Skol Hop. I'm Evan.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Austin.
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  Speaker 1: We're just a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like
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  Speaker 1: drinking beer and talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And I had to spin the freaking
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  Speaker 2: wheel once again.
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  Speaker 1: I know what I have to do, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I have the strength to do it.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? It's really starting to sting.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of fun, if I have to admit. We
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  Speaker 1: also had a great beer from Dimensional Brewing Company.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did. And we knew it would happen. We
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  Speaker 2: finally had to talk about the inevitable loss the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: would take this season.
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  Speaker 1: And we kind of intentionally let this happen, but the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback situation just totally derailed the whole episode. But for
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  Speaker 1: a good reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we do not agree on what the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: should do, but that's okay. But don't worry, we also
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  Speaker 2: took the time to talk about the upcoming Monday Night
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  Speaker 2: Football game against the Bills.
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  Speaker 1: So wherever you are and whatever you like to drink,
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  Speaker 1: grab a cold one. And join us for episode 162
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  Speaker 2: ren i know what i have to do but i
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  Speaker 2: don't know if i have the strength to do it
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  Speaker 2: i have had to spin the wheel five times now
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  Speaker 2: and the vikings have played seven games this is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you get for picking wrong i.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't even pick wrong last week we just made the
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  Speaker 2: extra added benefit for the viewers of because we had this.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome wheel yeah we had to spin it so.
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  Speaker 2: All right well you in the preseason correctly identified that
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  Speaker 2: the vikings would lose to the lions you faithful fan
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  Speaker 2: you are choosing against your team and i was wrong
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  Speaker 2: the vikings lost to the lions who by the way
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  Speaker 2: if you want to know how great their fans are
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  Speaker 2: go ahead and check out the comment section of one
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  Speaker 2: of our latest uh tiktoks they they came out in
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  Speaker 2: full force i'm not going to do the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: even though they're the worst fans in all of history
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  Speaker 2: anyways i gotta spin the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna spin this wheel yeah not the digital wheel
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  Speaker 1: that we normally have in order to do that you
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  Speaker 1: need to flip a coin first because this wheel only
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  Speaker 1: has 12 slots and we have like 24 ish things uh.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're only listening um when Evan says this wheel,
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  Speaker 2: he means the physical wheel that my coworkers graciously gifted me, uh,
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  Speaker 2: when I left the team and joined a new team. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and if you want to see it, go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: check out YouTube, uh, Spotify. We put out videos. We're
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  Speaker 2: probably going to put this out as a separate video
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  Speaker 2: as well on YouTube and Facebook and everything. Uh, while
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  Speaker 2: you're there, go ahead and give us a like and
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  Speaker 2: a follow and comment how great or terrible you think
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  Speaker 2: we are. Um, but yeah, I am just delaying this
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  Speaker 2: at this point. I don't know if the music's still going.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm going to flip the coin. Or do
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  Speaker 2: you want to flip the coin? I think you should
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  Speaker 2: flip it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll flip it.
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  Speaker 2: All right. This is to determine which list of things
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  Speaker 2: that I'm choosing from.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go. You got the tails list.
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  Speaker 2: Dang it. I hate the tails list. I think the
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  Speaker 2: tails list is worse.
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  Speaker 1: Things like child's chair. You can't say Vikings for the
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  Speaker 1: whole episode. We did that on our very first Purple
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  Speaker 1: Punishments ever. That was rough.
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  Speaker 2: That was a live episode.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast awards. Sting pong. Oh, great. Gross beer, a.k.a. the
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  Speaker 1: pickle beer. We're going to leave Lego Walk on the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: You already did it once, but you could do it
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  Speaker 1: again if you do that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to. You were going to say if
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  Speaker 2: you want to, but no, I don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: Bean boozled.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God. That's that. I'd rather eat two whole cans
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  Speaker 2: of sardines than the whole bag of bean boozled.
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  Speaker 1: I think we only have one, but spin the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: Spin it for glory.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like, hang on. I can't see that. It's
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  Speaker 1: like right between four and five.
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  Speaker 2: Dang. You got to make the determination of.
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  Speaker 1: Let me take one more.
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  Speaker 2: Without looking at the list, you need to try to.
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  Speaker 1: I just like.
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  Speaker 2: You nudged it.
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  Speaker 1: I nudged it.
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  Speaker 2: All right. What is it now?
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  Speaker 1: It's now a four.
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  Speaker 2: All right. We'll go with four.
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  Speaker 1: That's a sting pong.
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  Speaker 2: Do we need to change locations for this?
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  Speaker 1: We're going to change locations. We'll film this separately and
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  Speaker 1: we'll bring it back to the desk here in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Skol.
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  Speaker 2: Skol.
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  Speaker 1: Alright.
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  Speaker 3: Sting pong time. I'm locked and loaded. Four ping pong balls.
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  Speaker 3: But you've got to lift up that Josh Dobbs jersey.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Alright.
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  Speaker 3: The Dobbs.
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  Speaker 1: Alright.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I'm last in and this is Sting Pong.
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  Speaker 2: Did I miss?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got pretty close to it.
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  Speaker 2: Alright, that's it, right?
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  Speaker 1: Ow! All right, you're going to have some welts.
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  Speaker 2: I still have one. You got me. One of them
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  Speaker 2: was really good. The first one you tried to veer
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  Speaker 2: off a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I just had to dial in the accuracy.
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  Speaker 2: And once I did, we were pretty good. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: one's got a decent welt right there. It's funny. You
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  Speaker 2: can hear every time you hit me, I.
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  Speaker 1: Go, ugh. Well, that one will probably come off the
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  Speaker 1: wheel now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Probably. Yeah, we'd need to take Lego Walk off
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  Speaker 2: the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Unless, you know what? I'm okay with leaving them all
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  Speaker 2: back on there as long as you're the only one
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  Speaker 2: that has to do them again. I'm over this.
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  Speaker 1: If fate will have it, fate will have it. We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Fate will certainly have us drink this beer, though, that
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  Speaker 1: you brought. So tell us about it.
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  Speaker 2: So this is from Dimensional Brewing Company out of Dubuque, Iowa. Um,
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  Speaker 2: this one is called tripping. It's a West coast IPA, uh,
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  Speaker 2: mosaic Simcoe and Columbus hops. Um, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I've ever had Columbus hops. I'm sure I have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: especially being with front of the show forest, having all
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  Speaker 2: the beers that he hands me on occasion. Um, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: West coast IPA we've, we haven't really had IPAs in
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  Speaker 2: recent episodes. I think we've had some darker ones, some Oktoberfest, some,
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  Speaker 2: beers beers i think last week was like a nice
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  Speaker 2: old-fashioned you know just regular beers beer uh so yeah
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  Speaker 2: i figured an ipa at least for me after a
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  Speaker 2: loss you know get get back to something i really
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  Speaker 2: enjoy i like them all it smells really good yep
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  Speaker 2: and i think this one is oh 6.8 for whatever
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  Speaker 2: reason i had 5 in my head but 6.8 we
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  Speaker 2: only have two of them so we'll be fine we'll
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  Speaker 2: be all right and the best part is i don't
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  Speaker 2: have to drink this one out of a sippy cup
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  Speaker 2: like i did last.
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  Speaker 1: Week That is true. Well, let's pour these up. Let's
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  Speaker 1: give them a try. Going with the Austin pour there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's the best way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Try not to make a mess.
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  Speaker 2: It can't be like the mess that I made last week.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm already telling it's a little hazy. A little bit. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: the more it clears up here, it's pretty clear. Um,
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  Speaker 2: we've had a couple dark ones lately, like the coffee
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  Speaker 2: one from a couple of weeks ago. You couldn't see
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  Speaker 2: any light through it. This one, like you can almost
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  Speaker 2: like read through it, you know, it's pretty clear. Nice,
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  Speaker 2: good head retention.
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  Speaker 1: Very aromatic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Getting some good, uh, IPA hoppy aroma here. I'm
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  Speaker 2: really excited for this one. It's cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's cool. How does it feel to not drink out
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  Speaker 1: of a sippy cup?
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of weird, honestly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, that beer is great. It's just a solid West
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  Speaker 2: Coast IPA.
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  Speaker 1: It's, man. It seems like it would be right up
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  Speaker 1: your alley. And I don't dislike it at all. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you. It's a really good beer. But this
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  Speaker 1: seems like it's your wheelhouse type of beer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And I felt like I needed a beer
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  Speaker 2: after that last Vikings game. A loss, the first loss
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  Speaker 2: of the season. I just wanted a good beer. get
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  Speaker 2: back to my, my favorite style of beer. And this
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  Speaker 2: one hitting the nail on the head. I really like it. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember. We've been to dimensional a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years ago. Yeah. Once or twice now. Once.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The two of us. I don't know if you've gone
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  Speaker 1: back separately.
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  Speaker 2: I've only been there with you. It was, uh, the
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  Speaker 2: brew hop 2.0 with friend of the show force. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I've had this one before. There's a
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  Speaker 2: chance I got this at the, at the brewery, but
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  Speaker 2: it's super good. I like it a lot. What do
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  Speaker 2: you think as someone whose IPAs you like, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not your go-to?
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  Speaker 1: I like it for sure, and it's a good kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a palate cleanse from all the Oktoberfests and
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  Speaker 1: the Ambers and all that that I've been drinking because
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  Speaker 1: it's fall, and I'm just kind of in that zone
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  Speaker 1: right now. So it's good. I like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Lawnmower scale, I'll give it a solid just 7.0.
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  Speaker 2: It's not as high as it could be. Definitely not
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  Speaker 2: as low as it could be.
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  Speaker 1: Um, you might get pulled over if you have. too
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  Speaker 1: many of these. Yeah. You're driving your lawnmower down your
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  Speaker 1: street and you're swerving all over.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, hopefully, hopefully I stay on the lawn and
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  Speaker 2: I also, I'm not, I'm not in the tax bracket
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: to have a driving lawnmower, um, still pushing, but, uh,
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  Speaker 2: this is again after mowing the lawn. So no solid 7.0. Um, yeah, it's, uh,
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  Speaker 2: It's really good. There's nothing wrong with this. At least
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  Speaker 2: for me. If you don't like IPAs, you're not going
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  Speaker 2: to like this. But, I mean, if you even kind
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  Speaker 2: of like IPAs, like you, it's pretty solid.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not that I kind of like them. I
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  Speaker 1: do like them. There's no, like, I'm not halfway in
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  Speaker 1: on IPAs. I like IPAs. And this is a good one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Ev. We have to talk about it. It's
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: what we're here for. Yeah. We knew the Vikings wouldn't
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: go undefeated.
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  Speaker 1: You're stealing words out of my mouth because I've said
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: that for a few weeks now.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we both kind of said that.
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  Speaker 1: I said, this win streak is not going to last.
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  Speaker 1: The Vikings will lose a game. And they did. They
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  Speaker 1: lost 19-15 in Detroit against....
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  Speaker 2: The Lions, who have... The worst fan base in all
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  Speaker 2: of sports.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted you to get it out early so we
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: don't have to rehash that.
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  Speaker 2: Here's how I know you agree with me. You keep
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: bringing it up. You make me say it, but you
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: agree with me. And like I said earlier, just go
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: check out the comment section of our most recent, one
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: of our most recent TikToks. They just, they don't like
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: being called out when it's true that the Lions fans
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: are the worst fans, worst collection of humans in all
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  Speaker 2: of human history. They're just terrible. And they keep proving
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  Speaker 2: me right by the comments.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to say worse than Nazi Germany? Worse than
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: the genocide in all these other countries?
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't say that. That's what you implied. But they
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: made themselves known again. They're very passionate. I don't understand
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: why because they've never had any success whatsoever. Until recently.
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  Speaker 2: Until the last couple years. But now that's enough to
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  Speaker 2: be super duper entitled. And they have a mediocre quarterback
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden he's an MVP because Well,
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  Speaker 2: at least one of the two quarterbacks in the game
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday could throw touchdowns and look somewhat competent. So
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: I guess they have that going for them. But yeah,
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: it was a very frustrating game. And I will say
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: most of the games this year for the Vikings have
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: been pretty frustrating. I've spent most of the time at
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: least kind of pissed off most of the game. But
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: the defense has been the saving grace. Defense and special teams.
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  Speaker 2: And That was still kind of true, but the defense,
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: we've been saying it all year, they're not going to
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: win every game. It's going to come down to the
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: offense at some point, and it did. There was a
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: fourth down that they went for it on fourth and five,
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  Speaker 2: and they had a lot of time to think about
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  Speaker 2: what they were going to do because of that pretty
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: scary and tragic injury to Jack Campbell, which, side note,
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: he or his family put out some uh, some comments
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  Speaker 2: today saying, I saw that sounds like he's got, he's
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: gaining movement in his lower body and, you know, it's
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: working on it and his upper body, either way, it
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: sounds promising. So that's good. I think, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: anybody wants to see any player get hurt like that. Um,
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: but regardless of Vikings had a long time to figure out, Hey, we're,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to go for it on fourth and five
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  Speaker 2: and pick out a good play. And then they, I think,
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: was that the one where Kyler Murray had one of
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: his many air balls over the head of Jordan Addison?
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: And then a little bit later in the game, when
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: you kind of have to go for it on fourth down,
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: the Vikings chose to punt it away and give it
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: back to an offense that was going pretty well against
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  Speaker 2: this stout defense of the Vikings, and then they never
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: ended up touching, the Vikings never ended up touching the
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: ball after that, and they lost the game. But We've
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: been saying it all year. The defense isn't going to
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: win every single game. They're going to get gassed. They're
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: going to get exposed on some points. Who knew? Jameer Gibbs,
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  Speaker 2: this just in, he's really good at football, really hard
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  Speaker 2: to tackle. After a while, the Vikings had started the
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: first half looking pretty good. After a while, you just
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: can't keep doing the same thing and having the same success.
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  Speaker 1: It was frustrating to watch, especially down the stretch when
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  Speaker 1: the Lions were just handing the ball off to Jameer
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  Speaker 1: Gibbs and he was just gashing the Vikings defense. Like
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  Speaker 1: that was, I think that was the most gut wrenching part.
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  Speaker 1: Like this defense has been so good, so stout all
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: year long. It seems like no other team in the
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: league that's played the Vikings to this point has been
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: able to do anything against this Vikings defense. And then
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: you get into the fourth quarter of this game and
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Jameer Gibbs cannot be stopped. That was frustrating. And, The Vikings,
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: even later in the game, had gone up and were, like,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: on the ESPN, like, you track the, like, percentage to
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: win kind of chart. Like, they were favored to win
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: there for a hot minute in the second half.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: When would it have been? It would have been in
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. They went up 15 to 12.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Right after that Hawkinson touchdown.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: And, you know, they were above 50% chance to win.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: And it was like, all right, just. Close it out now.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I was saying when we were watching the
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: game on TV at home. Just close it out. Defense
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: go out. Shut them down. Get the ball back. Run
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: out the clock. And we're good. That's all you got
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: to do. And they couldn't do that. And it was
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: frustrating to watch. We should probably talk roses and thorns.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, we got plenty of them. I'll go first. My rose.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: After as frustrating... as that game was. And as many
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: things as are, we've been saying our bad offense is bad.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: This is bad. As many things actually came to fruition. Um,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: and it ultimately led to a loss. Um, after all that,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: my rose is that after seven games, this team, this
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Vikings team is six and one. That's huge. Like that's
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: such a great silver lining. Um, I mean, we, we
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: could be sitting here with the same offensive worries and
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: the same injury worries and all the same frustrations, uh,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: easily at like two and four, you know, or two
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: and five or whatever. Six and one is not a
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: bad place to be. Um, when you have as many
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: frustrations as we do, because I mean, you can still,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: you can still win games. They're still leading the division.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: They're still first or second, I think second now in
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: the conference, the way things shake out. Um, that's just the,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: the only rose that I have right now is that, Hey,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: after all that, You're still 6-1 and sitting in a
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: pretty good spot, even with all your concerns.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: The Vikings are still also top, I think, top five. No, six. One, two, three, four, five, six.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: They're the sixth team in the league in terms of
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: point differential. So the Jaguars lead the league with a
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: plus 85 point differential. The Vikings are sixth behind... the
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Bengals in fifth, the Bills in fourth, the Bears in third,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: interestingly enough, and then the Niners and the Jags. The
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Vikings have a plus 47 point differential, so that defense
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: is still keeping things interesting even though the offense isn't
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: putting up points. And the Vikings are in the lead
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and are the only team in the league to not
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: allow 100 points on defense yet. Interesting. The Vikings have
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: allowed 93 points. So even with a loss, it was
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: a much lower scoring game than I think a lot
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: of people expected that game to be. I think they
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: expected these offenses to kind of just have a heyday.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: At least the Lions offense. And yeah, the Vikings lead
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the league. The Vikings defense leads the league in points allowed.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And that's something to note. And I would hate for
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Vikings fans to lose sight of that, right? Like, oh,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: woe is us. We lost to the Lions. You know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: like it was a really ugly game. Kyler needs to go.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Throw the baby out with the bathwater.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Let's just, you know, let's... I do think Kyler needs
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to go. But that's a conversation for a few minutes
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: from now.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: We're getting there. But I think there's some perspective that
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you have to have. So to your point, 6-1, great
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: place to be. There's nothing... Right now that says that
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the Vikings can't make the playoffs based on those stats.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Based on the stat column. Are there anecdotal things that
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: we could point out and say, like, that's the reason
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: why the Vikings won't make the playoffs? Yes, of course. Um,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: but when you look at the grand scheme of things,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you look at the big picture, you look at how
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: all the other teams in the league are playing. Objectively speaking,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: if you were in a coma for the last six
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: years and you had no idea what was going on
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and you woke up and you only saw that, you'd
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: be like, man, the Vikings are pretty good. You know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: like leading the league in points allowed on defense and a,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you know, top six point differential in the league and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: they're six and one. And they're a two seed right now.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: If the playoffs were to start today, like you'd be like, dang,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson's got to be like vying for an MVP
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: at this point. And like Kyler Murray's got to be like.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: multiple time offensive player of the week. And this man,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: this defense has to be just like full of hall
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of famers and nope, whatever else. Well, I mean, defense
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: doing pretty well, but I'm kind of getting tongue in
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: cheek a little bit, obviously. But the point is the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Vikings aren't playing that bad. And one loss shouldn't indicate
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that this whole season is lost and everything's bad. You
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: ready for my rose?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Was that not your rose?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I was just kind of priming the pump for my rose.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Here's my rose. The sky's not falling. And Kyler didn't
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: play that bad. I think Kyler objectively... Again, if we
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: look at the numbers.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: If you only look at the numbers.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I watched most of the game and I watched some
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: of the errant throws that he made. I watched where
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: we were talking about this pre-show. There's the one play.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was a boot out to the left
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and Aiden Hutchinson was like right there and he had
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Jefferson or Addison coming on like a short crosser on
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the other side of Hutchinson and he just puts it
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: in the dirt right away.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Jefferson was wide open and Kyler still just threw it
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: right and straight into the ground.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It was a weird play and you still have that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: And that was how most of the game went.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I think most is a bit of a stretch. Okay.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: It's a bit of a stretch. And here's why I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: say that. Everybody in the media, including like Pat McAfee
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and ESPN, who you've been critical of before on this show,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: They've been all over this. The headlines have all said, oh,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, he's not the answer in Minnesota. And all
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the Vikings have a quarterback problem. And even a friend
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of the show, Dustin Baker, put out a list of like, okay,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: what could the Vikings do? Here's kind of a ranking
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: list of options at quarterback. And everybody's been speculating. Well,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: could they get Justin Herbert from the Chargers? Could you
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: get Kirk Cousins from the Raiders, who could you get
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: at this point? Mac Jones, you have a list, and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: we'll get into the list here in a little bit.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to push back on some of that a
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: little bit and just say I don't think the Vikings
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: have as big of a quarterback problem as everybody's making
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it out to be. Is Kyler the bona fide answer
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: at quarterback for the long term for the Vikings? Probably not.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But let's go back to what we said preseason, right?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: We said, whoever the Vikings quarterback is, Kyler, JJ, Carson,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: whoever it is, has to be a game manager, has
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to not turn the ball over, and has to be
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: able to get the ball into the hands of the playmakers.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And I get that there were some errant throws. There
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: were some wild air balls that just, you know, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I get Justin Jefferson's pissed. He's frustrated. He didn't talk
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to the media, which is maybe the first signs of
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: some cracks in the foundation of this whole thing, which
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: we can get to in a little bit. But Justin Jefferson,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: if you're watching, and Vikings fanhood, if you're watching, I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: don't think the sky is falling. And I think Kyler
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: objectively is an okay answer. Is he the best answer? No.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's the worst answer, and I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: don't think we need to just throw the baby out
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: with the bathwater. That's kind of a funny joke, actually,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: because Kyler's often referred to as the little guy. But
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: let's look at the numbers really quick. Kyler Murray went
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: 17 of 29, 210 yards, an average of 7.2 yards,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: two touchdowns, one interception. He took three sacks for 25
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: yards and had a rating of 89.7. Compare that to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: his counterpart with the Lions, Jared Goff, 18 of 25,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: 176 yards, 7-yard average. one touchdown, one pick, four sacks
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: for 22 yards, and a rating of 88.1. On paper,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Kyler played slightly better than Jared Goff. And I'm not
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: saying that that's the reason why we should hang on
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to Kyler Murray. Kyler had to play better. Kyler had
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to throw more and had to throw for more yards
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: because the Vikings didn't have a run game. The Lions
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: had a huge advantage that way because Jameer Gibbs had
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a career day with 23 carries and 153 yards. But
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you pointed out as we were talking about this pre-show
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: too that the Vikings defense was just gassed in the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: second half and they couldn't stop Jameer Gibbs and he
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: was ready to go. And he just lit them up
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and he just ran down the middle every single time
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and got probably 10 plus yards per carry in the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: second half. That's not a true stat, but that's my guess.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: That's what it felt like. Um, but I'm going to say, uh,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Kyler didn't play that bad. I get that everybody's freaking
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: out about it and everybody's pining for what can they
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: do before the trade deadline? And I'm not necessarily advocating
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: for Kyler to be the longterm solution here, but I
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: don't think he's the worst possible solution.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Well, worst possible. I mean, it could be Max Brosmer
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: back there. Um, That would be worse than Kyler, I'm assuming.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: But here's where I completely disagree with you. And it
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: actually leads right into my thorn. My thorn is that
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: this Kyler Murray experiment has failed. He looks completely lost
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: out there. Evan, I know you watch the game and
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I know you're not just some random dude that's never
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: heard of football before. I respect your opinions on football
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: and We've spent our entire lives talking about football. We
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: literally started the podcast doing that. Dude, I think you're
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: looking at 210 yards passing and two touchdowns and saying, yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: it's not that bad. Admittedly, Kyler Murray probably had his
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: best throw as a Viking in an actual game.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: That long shot to Jordan Addison.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like 51 yards to Jordan Addison, which
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I believe set up a couple of plays later, maybe
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: even the next play.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: The Hawkinson touchdown.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yep, which put the Vikings in the moment when Hawkinson
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: caught that touchdown. And then right after... Jordan Addison, if
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you remember, they went for two. Jordan Addison, Kyler, to
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: his credit, found Addison just completely wide open in the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: end zone for two points. Those three plays were probably
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray's best as a Vikings quarterback so far. So
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: credit where that's due. And you can't take it away.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: You'd never want to take it away. It happened, just
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: like you can't take the loss away. It happened. But
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: outside of that, man, it was brutal for Kyler Murray.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: You're looking... And you see these replays and you're seeing
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson wide open and Kyler still throws it to
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Jordan Addison 10 yards deeper and throws it way over
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: his head. The interception that Kyler threw, I don't know
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: if that was first or second half, it was airballed.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: If it was to Justin Jefferson, it was airballed way
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: over his head. If it was to Jordan Addison, it
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: was way underthrown, which if I'm basing my thoughts on
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Kyler so far, it was probably an overthrow to Justin Jefferson.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: And then that defensive back, I don't remember who it was,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: jumped and caught the ball. But if you slow it down,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: if they really gave it a good look, and I'm
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: not going to make this about the refs, but if
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: they gave it on that one play an actual look,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: the ball hit the ground and it should not have
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: been an interception. Anyways, Kyler was throwing... He either threw
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: to the right guy, but threw it to him thinking
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: he was 20 feet tall and threw it straight up
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: in the air. Hawkinson seems to be the only guy
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: that can catch a Kyler Murray pass. I don't blame
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson for being pissed. The touchdown that he caught,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: it's a career highlight to Justin Jefferson. But it had
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: to be because Kyler threw such an awful ball that
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Jefferson had to basically catch the ball two or three
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: times in one play. And it's Justin Jefferson, so of
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: course he made the play and a lesser wide receiver
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: would have touched the ground and it wouldn't have been
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: a touchdown. But that was his first actual catch. He
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: had been targeted a couple of times before then. Yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: it was as if Kyler Murray had... never heard of
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: football before. And they were just like, hey, you're athletic
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and you can throw a ball far. Here, come play quarterback.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: It's a position in football. You can do it, even
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: though you can't see over the alignment and you have
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: no idea what you should be reading and how defenses look.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying Kyler Murray is a bad quarterback. That
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: argument could be made. But I'm saying Kyler Murray mixed
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: with KOC and KOC's absolute unwillingness to change his offense
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: even a little bit is giving us the equation where
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray is lost, still lost, even after a full offseason. Remember,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: he signed in March. Full offseason, full training camp, full everything,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and now seven games. And yeah, he missed one or
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: two because of the concussion. It should not be this
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: glaring that Kyler Murray has no clue what he's doing
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: in this Vikings offense. It's just, it's awful. And I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: am very ready for Carson Wentz to be the starter.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I'm very ready for the Vikings to do something crazy
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and trade multiple first round picks for a competent quarterback
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: who will actually fit in KOC's system. I'm ready for
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray never to play football for the Vikings again.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And I know that's completely opposite of what you just said.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: And I respect your opinions, but I just, I can't,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I can't do it when he has the protection. It's
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: not the offensive line's fault. He has wide open guys,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: every game, almost every play because KOC actually designs good
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: plays and the receivers run good routes. And he just
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: either doesn't see the wide open guys or sees them
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and totally misses them Um, it goes back to the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: equation where this defense is not going to win every game.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: And so far they have been winning these games. Um,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and we'll record, he's going to miss a kick here
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: or there, or get one blocked. He's had, he had
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: a blocked one against the Colts and he, he missed
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: a 50 plus yarder or was it a 40 plus yarder?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Um, in this game, he's amazing, but
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: like everybody's going to miss a kick every once in
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: a while. you need a quarterback to be at least competent.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And I don't, I'm not seeing that with Kyler Murray
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And I just think that's a little bit of an overreaction.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And I think that's unfortunately the, the common narrative right
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: now amongst everybody, all the way up to the talking
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: heads on ESPN and all the way down to the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Joe Schmoes on Twitter. Um, and I, I just don't
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: see it that way. Um, I take a little bit
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: more of a middle-of-the-road approach. And quite frankly, that's where
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is in terms of NFL quarterbacks. I'm looking
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: at rbsdm.com, which is a chart we've looked at before
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: for a few different things. And I can take a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: screenshot of this and put it up over here. But
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Kyler's ahead of a lot of quarterbacks in this league.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: He's ahead of Tyler Huntley. who's led the Ravens while
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson has been out, and those are big shoes
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to fill. He's ahead of Aaron Rodgers, who I know
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: is the oldest guy in the league, but is still
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer and arguably one of the brightest
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: minds in football, even in his old age. He's playing
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: better than Daniel Jones, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Michael Pennix.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: And I would take almost every single one of those
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: guys right now. than ahead of Kyler Murray with KOC.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: What this chart doesn't account for is things like offensive
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: line like we know Justin Herbert has a bad offensive
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: line and we know that he's just in a bad
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: situation in general and he probably wants to get the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: heck out of Los Angeles and find a new team
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: uh we know Daniel Jones is playing on a kind
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of a banged up Indianapolis Colts team.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Well and he himself I think we've seen with Kirk
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Cousins and Aaron Rodgers, when a quarterback gets that Achilles injury,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: like Daniel Jones did just about a year ago now,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: it seems to be taking two years until that quarterback
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: is back to what they were. And like I said,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: it's just been about a year for Daniel Jones. So, yeah,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: he's probably still dealing with that a little bit too.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Well, looking at this chart, another name that I haven't
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: mentioned yet, and it's an interesting one, Sam Darnold. Mm-hmm.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: objectively speaking, based on this chart and based on statistics
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that I don't completely understand and I won't pretend to understand,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: if I'm reading the chart right, if you're farther to
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the right and farther up, you're playing better. And if
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you're farther to the left and farther down, you play worse.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And Sam Darnold is quite a bit to the left
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray and about the same line, maybe slightly
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: above Kyler Murray in terms of EPA per play, which
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: is the vertical axis of this chart here. So, objectively,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's playing-ish, about the same, maybe slightly better than
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, who won a Super Bowl last year and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: still has his Seahawks team right where they want to be,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: despite some adversity and whatnot in the early part of
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the season. So, I'm going to stand firm where I'm at,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm just going to say the sky's not falling.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think Kyler Murray is the long-term solution, but
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's playing awfully right now, so bad
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that they need to just move on without even a
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: second thought. That's where I'm going to stay.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: And I love that we can disagree on that.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I think my thorn is pretty simple. and then we
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: can move on from this. The loss to a divisional
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: rival hurts. It sucks. And it doesn't do great things
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: for the Vikings' playoff hopes. It also just, like, it
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: muddied the water just a little bit more in the
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: NFC North. And the Bears winning on Monday night muddied
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the waters even more than that.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: This North, it's so frustrating because if the season ended
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: right now, The entire NFC North would make the playoffs,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and we said it a few weeks ago, and I
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: haven't looked it up. I don't know if that's ever
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: happened before where an entire division has made the playoffs,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and they only added that third wildcard team in a
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: few years ago, so it hasn't even been possible up
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: until a few years ago. But, yeah, I mean, this
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: division is really frustratingly good.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: So really quick, we did from friend of the show
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Blue– We received some outside roses and thorns, and I
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: thought it'd be fun.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: He told me about this, too, because I ran into
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: him earlier this week.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I thought it'd be fun to spend... Give him some...
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: We'll give Blue some time on the pod. I want
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: him to come on the show.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: That'd be fun.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: So, bat signal out for a friend of the show, Blue.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: But his rose is kind of funny, and I think
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: he's trying to be a little funny. He said... JJ
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: McCartley didn't play on Sunday. And it's funny. Cause when,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: you know, about halftime, when I was sitting there pissed off, like, man,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Kyler sucks so bad. I went to ESPN, uh, to see,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I bet JJ's playing great. And then I found out the,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the giants are on a buy this week. Um, but
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about that, like as a JJ fan,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: it's going to be really frustrating if he ends up
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: being good. That's a whole off season talker anyways, but
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: to continue with front of the show, blues Rose, JJ
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: didn't play on Sunday. If JJ had an excellent game,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: it would have been tough to watch as we continue
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to struggle on offense. I saw a tweet today from
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: a beat writer, I think, and I hate that I
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: don't memorize these things or at least like send them
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: to myself. I think a beat writer said something like
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: he's talked to coaches and stuff specifically about JJ McCarthy
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: like this week. And this consensus is, like, everybody's just
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: happy for him. And, you know, they understand, like, hey,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: if he comes out and turns into MVP, like, it
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: could make the Vikings look bad. But they still stand
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: by the decision they made to trade him away, which, fine, whatever,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: here or there, I don't care. And then his thorn
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: is that basically yours. We lost to a division rival,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: and those losses to division rivals are brutal. They almost
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: count for two losses, so. Appreciate that Front of the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Show Blue sent that in. If you continue doing that,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: we'll probably continue speaking out your thoughts on the show
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: until we finally convince Front of the Show Blue to
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: come on the show.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. He'd be a great guest. Let's do
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: game balls.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Who gets your game ball?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I think if people have been tracking, I've pretty
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: much only given two different guys. I think mostly just one,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: but I think there's another one in there, a game ball.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: but unfortunately Will Reichard missed a kick, and he only
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: had two kicks. One of them was an extra point,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: and the other one was a field goal attempt.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I think he scored zero points in fantasy.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because of that missed kick, and it negated. But again,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: it was a long kick. Nobody's perfect. It's not like
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: we're on a streak where I think that block against
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: the Colts he would have probably made had it not
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: been a great play on the defense to block the kick. Anyways,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: my actual game ball goes to Kyler Murray. Wouldn't that
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: be funny? No, it was TJ Hawkinson. It's no secret
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of TJ Hawkinson. I actually was
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: just thinking, I don't have a Hawkinson jersey that's kind
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: of out of character for me. I should get one. Oh,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I do, technically. We have a Lions Hawkinson jersey. But yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: he had four catches for 58 yards. He really kind
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: of seemed to be the only one that could consistently
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: catch a ball from Kyler. And I think part of
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: that is, not to turn this into a Kyler speak here,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I think Kyler pretty much has one read and then
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: a dump down. And that dump down pretty much always
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: ends up being Hawkinson for a few yards or a
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: streak up the middle. And that's why Hawkinson catches so
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: many is because Kyler looks at the one read and
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: they're covered or he thinks they're not open. And then
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: he panics and just dumps it down. Um, but Hawkinson
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: we've known, I've known for a few years. I mean,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: he's a, he's a pass catcher. He's been asked to
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: be a blocker with, um, Christian Derrissaw being down. They've
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: had to spread the love on blocking ability in the
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: last few years. With Josh Oliver going down, they still
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: have to spread the love on that, but Hawkinson is
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: at his best when he's healthy because he still had
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: to recover from that dirty Kirby Joseph straight-to-the-knee missile tackle. Um,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: so when Hawkinson health healthy and the offense can do
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: what it wants to, he catches balls and that's just
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: what happened against the lions. And I'm here for it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I'm always, always a fan when Hawkinson has a good game.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: So he gets my game ball.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Um, before I get to my game ball, did you
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: happen to catch Kirk Cousins interview where he was talking about, um,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: KOC's offense and just kind of, okay. So that was
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: also kind of intriguing to me because he kind of
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: openly admitted that KOC would tell him like, throw it
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: to Justin Jefferson. Like even if he's double covered and
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Kirk said in this interview, he's like, I only want
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to throw to open guys. And KOC said, throw it
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: to Justin Jefferson anyway.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: He's open.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Because even if he's double covered, he's open, you know?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: And I just found that to be kind of fascinating because,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And I think that kind of goes back to my
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: thoughts a little bit on KOC's offense, and I didn't
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: really articulate this when I was making my point earlier,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: but I think one of the arguments that's pro-Kyler, and again,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not pro-Kyler long-term.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with being pro-Kyler. I'm not, but I'm
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: not going to call you an.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Idiot for being pro-Kyler. But I think one of the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: ways you could defend Kyler, and I think one of
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: the ways I would defend Kyler is that This KOC
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: offense is challenging to pick up. The jersey that you're
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: wearing right now is a Josh Dobbs jersey, and he
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: played great for four quarters spread across two games, the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: end of one game and the beginning of another, because
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: he didn't know the playbook, and he just went out
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and played effort ball and had fun, and we had
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: fun in those four quarters. It was awesome. And then
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: he started to learn the playbook, and everything just kind
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of fell apart because this offense is kind of like
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: taking a physics class at Harvard. Like it's just complicated.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: It's hard. And I think that's kind of where Kyler
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: finds himself right now. Like he's athletic, he's capable. He's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: a pro bowl caliber quarterback who can go out and
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: make plays and make reads, but you kind of identified
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: it too in this offense, he's got two reads. That's it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And I think if you give him time, he can
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: become a little bit more of a cerebral quarterback who
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: can work through progressions and figure it out.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And to me time's up but i mean we're an
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: off season and almost a half a full season into
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: this time's up but anyways that's not the point you were.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Well we gave we gave jj mccarthy how long to
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to figure it out i mean and we got frustrated
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and we moved on from him and then He moved
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: into a different offensive system and just automatically blossomed, probably
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: because the offensive system was less complex.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Yep, you're probably right there.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: So, anyways, all that to say.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: My game ball is going to go to Andrew Van Ginkle.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: He hasn't gotten one from either of us this year,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think. Last year, he had those two pick
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: sixes that were incredible, and it was just like, It
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: was that famous Cam Newton, like, ah, you've been watching film.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Watch this. And so we've known this about Andrew Van Ginkle,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: that he's smart, he's savvy, he has a nose for
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the ball, and he fits really, really well in this
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Brian Flores defense. He was playing great. Two and a
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: half sacks, you mentioned it. In the first half. In
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the first half.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: He was on his way to becoming the NFC Defensive
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Player of the Week in that game. He didn't end
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: up winning that, but man, I think if things had
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: kind of gone the Vikings way the rest of the game,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: maybe his stat line is a little bit puffed up
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: from what it was. Gosh, I think he wins that
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: pretty easily. But he's another one of those guys. He's
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: kind of like Blake Cashman, where when he's on the field,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: he makes a difference, and You like guys like that.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: And they're quiet. They don't demand a lot of attention
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: off the field. They just show up week to week.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: He's usually not on the injury report.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: This year. I mean, he had a stint last year.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been on the injury report before, but even
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: when he's on the injury report, it's not prolonged. He's
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: figuring it out, and he's back on the field before
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: you know it. Mm-hmm. This guy's a good football player,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and I like having him on our team. I hope
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: we can keep him around for a few more years.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Andrew Van Ginkle gets my game ball.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Well deserved.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I do want to point out a little bit. Yes,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: the preseason picks for the Purple Punishment, I did say
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the Vikings would win, and I probably have it written down.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I know when I did those, I kind of gave scores,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and it was probably a low-scoring game that I gave,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: but last week I predicted a Vikings 24, 21 victory, um,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and had the Vikings been able to get the ball
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: one more time and done it and pulled it out
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and got another touchdown. It would have been somewhat close
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: to that score, but you know, it, that didn't work out. Uh, Evan,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: you did predict last week, uh, Vikings loss. So, I mean, you're,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: you're seeing things a little bit more clearly, at least
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: in real time than, than I am. Um, so I
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: do want to keep track of that and see how
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: we've done week to week and not just make predictions
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: and then let it go off and never talk about
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: it again. But Evan, we don't need to prolong this
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: next segment, but we didn't, you did mention that, um,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: we have this list, uh, in the form of an
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: article from, uh, Vikes now, Dustin Baker, friend of the show, Dustin, he, um,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: he wrote an article in the last couple of days, um,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: basically listing out every single option the Vikings could conceivably
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: have at quarterback right now, whether you think they need
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: to move on from Kyler or get somebody else or
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: at least get another option and maybe not bench Kyler
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And I think the article has 20 options.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: We don't need to belabor this conversation, but if you're
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: okay with it, I will just really quick list off
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: the options, and then afterwards we can kind of talk
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: about maybe what we think are the best ones.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And before you do that, you said this is kind
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: of a ranked list that a friend of the show, Dustin,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: put together. What I find interesting about this list is
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the three quarterbacks on the Vikings roster are the third
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: best option on the list, the seventh best option on
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the list, and the 20th best option on the list.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: So he's not really holding back any punches here. Yeah.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Go through the list. Let's talk about who's available.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: So first off, the first thing Dustin Baker said is
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: he's not putting Mac Jones on this list because just
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: thinking about it, the 49ers, the Vikings would have to
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: trade for Mac Jones. He's their QB2 right now. And
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the 49ers right now are either... They're right next to
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the Vikings in standings of the NFC. So why would...
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Dustin Baker saying, why would the 49ers do anything to
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: potentially help the Vikings, who are their biggest, at the moment, record-wise,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: rival for the number one seed in the NFC? So
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: for that reason, Dustin's just taking Mac Jones off as
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: an option, even though I think that'd be a good option,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: though I do agree with Dustin. I think most people would. Anyways,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: from least best option to best, and I'll just kind
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: of rapid-fire... Dustin says they could just give it to
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Max Brosmer. Let him just be the guy now. Maybe
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: they think he's the future. Just go to him right now.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: There's a reason that's the last, the worst option. After that,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: they could trade for Aiden O'Connell, who I think is
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: with the Raiders. Aiden would be there, I think at
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: highest QB three right now after Kirk and then Fernando. Um,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Then they could sign Will Levis, who's on the Jets
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: practice squad. Wouldn't have to give up any draft capital.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: They could sign Jimmy Garoppolo, who is just right now
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a free agent. Uh, they could make a call to
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson just to see, Hey, are you really retired? Like,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: are you, are you done played last year with the Giants?
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I think he's technically would still be a free agent.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't have to trade the Giants any capital to, to
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: get him. Um, After that, you could trade for Mason Rudolph,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: who is a Steelers backup quarterback. You could trade for
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Jameis Winston, who is a Giants now backup quarterback. And
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: he's only a backup because they traded J.J. McCarthy to
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: the Giants and Jameis got benched in favor of McCarthy.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: You could trade for Anthony Richardson, who it seems like
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: at one point at least, Kevin O'Connell was a big
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: fan of Anthony Richardson. We heard reports in that draft year, 2023,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the Vikings at least were kind of a neighbor by
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: and willing to trade the farm for Anthony Richardson. So
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: that would be interesting. You could trade for Tua Tungabaiola
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: from the Falcons, and I would think he's at best
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: QB2 for them right now. You could trade for Spencer Rattler,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: who's a backup for the Saints. You could trade for
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota. who's a backup for the Commanders, although they
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: really like him. They literally made him a captain, even
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: though he's QB2. Now, he plays quite a bit because
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Daniels is kind of injury-prone. But, yeah, stop me at
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: any point if you're like, yes, that's what I would do, absolutely.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: And we're about halfway through. They could trade for Daniel
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Jones from the Colts, and I don't get any sense
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: that the Colts are ready to move on from him,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: depending on what you see on Twitter. They could trade
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: for Jalen Milrow, who I think is QB3 for the Seahawks.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: He's a second or third year guy. Trade for, sorry,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: not trade for. They could just give the ball to
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz. And at the moment, that's probably the quickest, easiest,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: cheapest change they could make. And that would be my
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: choice as of this moment right here with the options
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: that they could just do right now. They could trade
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: for Geno Smith. who is the Jets' starting quarterback. They
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: could trade for Drew Locke, who is the Seahawks' QB2,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: the second Seahawks' quarterback listed on this list. They could
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: sign Nick Mullins from the Jaguars' practice squad. Wouldn't cost
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: anything other than signing him to a contract. And then
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the top three options here. According to Dustin Baker, the
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: third best option is to stick with Kyler Murray. I
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: get the sense you agree with him. There's a lot
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: of good reasons to do that. I don't like any
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: of those reasons. I'm ready to move on anyways. Second
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: best option, trade for Justin Herbert. You said earlier, Herbert
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: may be wanting to get the heck out of Los Angeles.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: It would cost a ton, not only in draft capital,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: but also you'd have to pay him. And I don't
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: even know if that's humanly possible, but the cap is
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: a myth and teams can do whatever they want if
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: they put their minds to it. And then the number
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: one option, according to Dustin Baker, and I don't know
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: if it'd be my number one, but it'd be up there,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: is to trade for Kirk Cousins. There's a whole lot
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: of reasons I wouldn't be okay with it, but there's
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of current reasons. I'd be like, all right,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: let's go. I think it would cost a lot to
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: get a guy that you already had on your roster
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: for half a decade. And I don't love the idea
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: of it, but if you're going all in for this year,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: he knows the offense. He knows everybody. He meshes right
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: in with... With Kevin O'Connell, to me, it's either Herbert
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: or Cousins are my favorite options. And there's a reason
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not an NFL GM, because that'd be terrible. Anyways, Evan,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I know I just spoke a lot there. People already
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: stopped listening after I read the first two or three.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Are there any on here, including Kyler Murray, that you
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: would pound the table for? Or at least a couple
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: that you're like, actually, I wouldn't be mad about that.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Or heck no. What are your thoughts just generally over
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: this list?
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, go read Dustin's article. We'll link
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: it down in the description below. But you've already heard
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: my thoughts on Kyler Murray. And I think, if I'm
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: being honest, if I'm being realistic, I think Friend of
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: the Show Dustin has placed Kyler appropriately on this list.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I think... Before Kyler Murray, I would take Justin Herbert.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert has proven that he's a good quarterback in
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the NFL. He's won a lot of games, and he's
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: currently with a winless, the only winless team in the Chargers, 0-7.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: And I think he could be an immediate improvement for
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the Vikings, and he would find immediate improvement for really
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: any squad that he jumped into. I don't know why
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: we haven't been hearing like, oh, Justin Herbert wants out
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: of LA. He wants to go play somewhere else. That
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: just hasn't been the dominating headline. So I'm kind of
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: interested to see what happens. The trade deadline is November 11th,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: So before we record our next episode.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, basically a week from now. And I'm interested
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to see what happens.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Whoever.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: gets him if anybody gets him outside of the chargers
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: we'll have to pay a pretty penny um and it
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: will be a long-term investment you know that that that
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: pick right there or that trade right there for justin
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: herbert is not a one and done it's not a
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: like come in help us win a super bowl and
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: then buy yeah it's not a rental he's he's young
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: he's uh good and he's gonna be around for a
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: while and he immediately becomes the face of the franchise. Um,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: if you bring him in whatever, whatever team he would
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: go to. And I wonder if that's kind of what's
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: holding anybody back from pursuing Justin Herbert is just like a,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: the sticker shock and then be the, like the longterm
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: commitment of like a lot of other teams in the
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: league have made hefty investments in their starting quarterback already.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: So we're not going to rock the boat long-term with
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: this guy since we already have these other guys, you know?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: So maybe, maybe Herbert stays in LA and maybe him
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: and Harbaugh figure it out.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: And which I think is what's most likely to happen.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I don't anticipate the charters trading him away unless he
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: is making a big old stink behind the scenes. I
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: haven't heard anything. Like you said, it's not like ESPN
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: is like, Oh yeah, he's complaining every two seconds. Like I,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's unrealistic to think that the Chargers would
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: trade him, but everybody's got a number. I mean, if
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: a team said, hey, we will literally trade you every
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: pick we have, I think they can go up to
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: five years now. We'll trade you everything. And Justin Jefferson.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: There's a number. There is a trade that the Chargers
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: would accept. I just don't think it's going to happen.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Anyways. I like Kirk Cousins as an option for the Vikings.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: And I think it makes sense for the Raiders as well.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I think the Raiders need to be realistic about where
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: they are. They may be a playoff team, but they're
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: probably a one-and-done kind of playoff team. They're not going
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: to go deep in the playoffs. They're going to have
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: to compete with the likes of the Broncos and the Chiefs.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: And who else am I missing in the AFC that
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to compete with? The Jaguars, like
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: There are some pretty hefty AFC teams that they're going
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: to have to compete with in order to stay in
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: contention in the AFC. The Bills and the Steelers, let's
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: not forget about them. So just because the Raiders are
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: 4-4 doesn't mean that they're like the B's and E's
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: in the AFC. They're going to have to fight and
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: tooth and claw their way into playoff contention. And that's
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: where I wonder if they'd be smart to move on
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: from Kirk, who, as we know, because we're former Kirk supporters,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: he comes with a pretty hefty price tag. And I
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: think Kirk and his agent, they're going to work it
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: out to be the playerist friendly deal, player friendliest deal.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I said that weird. that they can draw up. I mean,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: whatever happens with Kirk Cousins, it's going to benefit Kirk
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Cousins the most. It will bring in the most amount
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: of money for a guy his age at his talent
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: level that you would expect in the NFL. That's just
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: kind of what we've come to expect out of a
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins deal. But what we know about Kirk Cousins
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: is what you've already said. He knows the offense. He
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: knows the personnel. He knows the organization. He could come
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: in and fit like a glove pretty quickly. And it
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: wouldn't take long for him to reestablish that connection with
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, with TJ Hawkinson, with Jordan Addison. He's had
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: that before. And he's shown some really good flashes in
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Vegas with the Raiders. Yeah. But man, it'd be kind
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: of fun to see number eight come back and play
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: for us, play for the Vikings again. So I think
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Kirk is the most logical solution at the top of
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: the list, but there's a ton of red tape. There's
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: a ton of politics that would have to happen in
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: order to make that work for the Raiders and the Vikings.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: We've already talked about Justin Herbert. He's the second best
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: option probably for the Vikings, but pretty unrealistic at this point,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: especially because of the long-term commitment that you'd have to
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: make to Justin Herbert. Kyler Murray is still third on
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: that list. So, like, your wish list is Kirk Cousins,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: who's at the end of his career and who would
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: come in and be a one and done and could
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: maybe get you into the playoffs and maybe win you
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: a game or two in the playoffs, which would be sweet.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Or Justin Herbert, who knows what could happen with that,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: but then you're on the hook for this huge contract,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and then you're regretting it. two, three, four years down
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the road when you can't do anything in the draft
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and you don't have any cap space to do anything
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: for trades or anything like that. If your third best
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: option is Kyler Murray, and for the reasons I've already said,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: he's played okay and he's still figuring it out. You
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: give him time, he learns. If he's dedicated and he's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: not just you know going home every night and playing
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: call of duty he may be the best option i
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's so for me it's if you're pushing all
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: your chips in and you don't care about the future
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: you're just holy cow we have a generationally great defense
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: of special teams that is aside from two kicks this
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: year completely confident in and a kicker that seems like
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: he could make a field goal from 200 yards out.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I know that's not real, but still. If you're pushing
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: all the chips in, you almost don't care what it costs.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins would walk in here and immediately start throwing
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: four or five touchdown passes a game to all of
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: these weapons that I think he's already played, definitely with Hawkinson,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: definitely with Addison, definitely with Justin Jefferson. And then you
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: can just jump in with the offense and Um, as
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: far as Kevin O'Connell and the quarterbacks he's had, um,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: it's Kirk Cousins and Sam Darnold have had the best
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: success in his offense, at least with the Vikings. Um,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: so yeah, for me, option one is Kirk Cousins. Option
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: two would be Justin Herbert. Like you said, I can't
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: imagine the rest of the season and it looks like
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: we're going to have to live it and not imagine it,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: but the rest of the season with Kyler Murray, I'm,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I'm you and I are so polar opposite on that,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: which is fine. I just, I it's, if you stick
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: with Kyler Murray, this is a crash and burn horrible
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: among the top of the worst seasons that made us
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: feel bad as Vikings fans. Cause it's just not working
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: and it won't work. Nothing's going to click. It is
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: the cheapest option because you've already spent the money and
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: he's already only a million dollars and whatever. But, Yeah,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't even put Kyler in the top handful of
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: options on this, but I don't know. There are some options.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: A lot of them would be home run hits or
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: at least home run swings. And if it worked, then
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: holy cow, Nolan Teasley in one of his biggest moves,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: because this would be his biggest move. He came in
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: after the draft. He came in after free agency. He
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: had a hand, obviously was still the biggest hand in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: the final 53, but this would be the biggest move
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: he's made aside from trading away the future franchise quarterback,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: who was the last guy's guy in JJ McCarthy.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Um, but it wasn't, but wasn't his guy.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Wasn't his guy. And it was clear that Nolan Teasley
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: at some point, and I've said this before on the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: show at some point made a decision. Yeah. JJ is
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: not our guy anymore. Um, people like to say that, uh, J.J.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: McCarthy took himself out of playing that third preseason game
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: from what you and I have heard. That was the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Vikings' decision, Nolan Teasley's decision, the press conferences, the day
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: that they traded J.J. McCarthy away. Teasley was like, yeah,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: this was a decision we made. I hope the best
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: for him. It's something I made, and Kevin O'Connell was
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: the one who was like, man, yeah, I know, it
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: was terrible. I wish nothing but the best. Kevin O'Connell
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: was the one that seemed upset, but Still, I mean,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: it happened. So, yeah, I think what do I think
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: will happen? I think they're going to stick with Kyler Murray.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Eventually they might bench him if he throws multiple picks,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: and I think that's the only reason he hasn't been
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: benched is because he's not turning it over routinely. He's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: had some turnovers, but that's literally the only good thing
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: for me is that Kyler Murray's not throwing four picks
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: a game. I don't know. I don't know what will happen.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: He does seem scared.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Terrified.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: To throw the ball. And that is concerning. And that's
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: something that I will concede to. He's not slinging it,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: for sure. He's not out there just throwing balls left
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: and right without a care in the world. He's very cautious.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: He's holding onto the ball a lot. Those sacks that
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: he took against the Lions were you could say coverage sacks,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: but they were also just, I think, indecision sacks that
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: he made. And quarterbacks nowadays they know that they can
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: throw it out of bounds they can just loft one
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: up to the sidelines and they're not going to get
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: called for grounding.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Or throw it at the feet of a wide open
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: justin jefferson who could have gotten a first down.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: That's sarcasm but it's true i know it's true but
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: what i'm saying is um He has options. I think
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: he can play better. And I don't think anybody's going
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: to argue that he can't play better. He can. He's
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: not playing at an MVP caliber right now. But if
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and Justin Herbert are not available.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Which I don't realistically think they are.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: And I don't either. Then I think Kyler Murray is
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: the next best option. I think Carson Wentz is still
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: a good option, and I've heard I think even Ben Lieber,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: who's very close to the team, has been– Ben Lieber
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: has been very critical of Kyler Murray, both post-game and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: then in some stuff early this week. And I think
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Ben Lieber even said Carson Wentz might need to step
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: in and just kind of salvage some of this, which
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: is surprising to me. that Ben Lieber is so quick
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: to dismiss the starter, the number one guy.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, I don't know if it's very quick.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost as much time as the Vikings
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: gave J.J. McCarthy in terms of games.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: But not quite as much.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Not quite as much. And the team had a lot
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: more invested into J.J. McCarthy, even with three more games
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: than they do so far right now with Kyler Murray.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: The team had the highest they'd ever drafted a quarterback invested.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: They had three more, two more seasons with the potential
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: of a third more season of relatively cheap quarterback contract
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: with J.J.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: McCarthy.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: They had all the development time invested into J.J. McCarthy.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: And then for better or for worse, Nolan Teasley made
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: the decision, he's not my guy, we're getting rid of him.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: You're coming up to the same amount of time And
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: way less investment. They have a million bucks, 1.3 or something,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: invested into Kyler Murray. It's not like they have a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert type investment that the Chargers do. They've got
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: multiple years left and tens of millions of dollars, upwards
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: of $ 100 million still in the future coming up that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: they've already committed to Justin Herbert. So I could understand
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: them being like, well, I know we're 0-7. but we're
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: not going to move on from this guy because we
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: have so much into him. The Vikings, I mean, they
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: probably have, I think they have almost twice as much
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: invested into Ivan Pace Jr. this year, who is a
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: special teamer and occasional blitzing linebacker who might not be
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: on the team this year. But there's no reason that
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: they have to keep with Kyler Murray other than, hey,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: we made the decision. He's QB 1. And we're 6-1,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: so why make a drastic change? Because we're still leading
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: the division. Things could still turn around. That's about it.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: And maybe you're kind of saying this, but think about
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: it from that perspective. The Vikings make the playoffs at
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: 12-5 or 13-4 or, on the other side, 11-6. They
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs with that record. Whether it's a division-winning
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: record or a wildcard record, because an NFC North team
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: will get a wildcard.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, at least one, if not three.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Correct. And I think we can confidently say that at
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: this point. But if you think about it from that perspective,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: and you think about Kyler Murray's contract and how cheap
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: it is for the Vikings, like, okay, we didn't pay much,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and this is what we got? And that's not that bad. Honestly.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: For this year.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: For this year.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: But then you're talking, what do they do for next year?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Do we stick with a guy that kind of limped
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: us into the playoffs, even though it was really the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: defense that did everything? And then he's going to be
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: demanding $ 40 million a year if he's got that leverage.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: This is where I'm going to get down to, I think,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: the meat of the argument for me is if Kyler
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: plays okay enough, not well, Not great, not amazing, not
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: MVP level, but if he plays okay enough, which is
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: what we've been saying all along, a friend of the show, Dustin,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: has been saying all along, if he just plays okay enough,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: we don't need to pay him a ton. We don't
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: need to pay him this gigantic salary to stay with.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: And honestly, I think Kyler could be one. You make
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: the playoffs... Maybe you win one playoff game and then
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: you're done, or even if you make it and lose
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: in the wildcard round, Kyler could play well enough to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: deserve another year on his contract. But I think that's it.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: I think if you're Nolan Teasley in KOC, you look
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: at that and you say, we'll give you one more year.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that one year would look like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: in terms of what that contract would be like.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Minimum $ 30 million. If that plays out, they make the playoffs,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: win one or zero games in the playoffs, and then
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: it's enough that they're like, all right, we could deal
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: with you for one more year. It's minimum $ 30 a year.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: And Kyler is going to be looking like, no, I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: want four or five years or three years like Sam
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Donald got. I would... burn jerseys if the Vikings at
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: this point gave Kyler Murray 30 million dollars a year
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: for even one year let alone three years I would
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: have been okay with signing Sam Darnold at the time
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: and I think they probably offered him somewhere around I
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: think he was on a podcast one time and like
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: kind of nodded when somebody said like 27 and a
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: half million a year for one or two or three
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: years but yeah I mean Sorry, I know I totally
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: cut you off there, but I think if that plays
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: out the way you say, like it could, playoff chances,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: maybe he gets a little bit better but not great,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: and they come to the table and are talking about
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: the future, Kyler's first number is minimum 30 a year,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: and I'd be sick if the Vikings gave him that.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: I'd hate it so much.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: That just seems high.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but a quarterback, a cheap quarterback– a cheap veteran
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: starting quarterback right now is 30 a year. I mean,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: that's the, if you looked it up, that's probably about
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: what I think, um, Sam Darnold's deal was 30 something.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: It was like three years, a hundred million dollars. So
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: 33 or something like that.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Um, but I think that's a little different too, though.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Like you have that Superbowl pedigree.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Well, now that was, he, he signed that deal before
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: the Superbowl. He was still a guy that was, he
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: had a good year. He was 14 and three with
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: the Vikings before.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, you, he, he leaves for greener grass,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: which you don't blame him for. And then he went,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: he wins the fricking Superbowl with the team, you know? Um,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know that Kyler is going to have a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: $ 30 million a year price tag. I don't know. To me,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: that seems a bit of a stretch. Admittedly, I don't
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: know that that's my wheelhouse. I don't know that I
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: have a ton of knowledge that way. But I don't know.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: That just seems pricey to me.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: And it It seems like it because it is. Because
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: starting quarterbacks, they're not a dime a dozen. They're hard
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: to find.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking at this on SpotRack right now. Sam
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Darnold nets $ 37. 9 million a year.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: I bet once you start getting down in the 20s,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: you're looking at guys that are like, oof.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Jordan Love, $ 36. 1 million a year. Jordan... Jared Goff, sorry, 37.6%.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, 34.6%.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also has that 10-year deal. That number
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: is a little different for him.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: And Lamar Jackson, I skipped over him intentionally because he's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: injured right now too, but 34.4% basically a year. Daniel Jones, 19.18%.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: So you round that up to basically.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: $ 20 million a year. Aaron Rodgers is getting $ 22 million
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: a year.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones says $ 30 million. Oh, no, I see what
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: you're saying. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you're
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: not kidding.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: This is the team total of what they're paying quarterbacks.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: They're paying Daniel Jones $ 19 million. They're paying Anthony Richardson
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: $ 10 million. And they're paying... Riley Leonard, a little more
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: than a million.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a rookie deal, though.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: The Colts are paying $ 31 million total for quarterbacks on
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: their roster.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Starting quarterbacks are not cheap. And if you're a veteran
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: and you've proven you're worth signing to even compete for
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: a QB1 job, you're not getting a $ 5 million quarterback anymore.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: The Vikings are shopping in the bargain bin for a
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: quarterback right now. The Vikings... And maybe you could say
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: that differently. Maybe you could say, like, the Vikings are
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: getting the Cardinals sloppy seconds a little bit, if we
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: were to use some colloquial terms. Kyler Murray is getting
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: paid a lot from Arizona.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: From Arizona, yeah. But that was on a deal that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: he had signed years ago. Right. When they still thought
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: he was good.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: But he's getting paid a lot. From that organization, so
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: the Vikings are able to pay him basically nothing to
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: come in. Carson Wentz is making three times, almost three
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: times as much.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: From the Vikings.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: From the Vikings, as Kyler Murray is, to play for
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: the Vikings, which is kind of lopsided. You would think
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: that your starter... makes more from your organization.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: And typically they do, but this Kyler Murray situation money-wise
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: is kind of unique.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I know, and I get that, and the viewer will
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: get that too. But it's a precarious situation that the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Vikings find themselves in. It will depend on how Kyler
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: plays down the stretch. I think if he turns it around,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: if he figures it out, and that's kind of the
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: hope that I'm holding out for, if he can play better,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: even if it's just a marginal difference, it's not like,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: it's not this like, Oh my gosh, we just had
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: the second coming of Joe Montana here. Like not that,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: but just like he can play. Okay. Like he can,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: he can fit in this offense. He can complete passes
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: to Justin Jefferson. He can, Make sure that Justin Jefferson
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to skip the post-game press conferences again because
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: he's so pissed off that he didn't catch any balls
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: in the game. He wasn't, like, throwing enough. Yeah. I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: think there's margin for Kyler Murray to salvage his reputation
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: It could happen.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to be on the optimistic side of
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: that and say, like, he can do it. He can.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: He could, but we've been saying that for half a
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: season now. If he can just get a little bit better,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: if he can just get.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: The offense a little bit more. We were saying that
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: for two years with J.J. McCarthy.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: One season, and he was still throwing for 200-plus yards
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: a game.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Actually, three seasons because he sat out his first season. Well,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: he was injured the one, which.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: He can't do anything about. He was injured. And then
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: last season was the only season he wasn't. He was
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: with the Vikings and not injured. And even then he
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: missed a handful of games because of hamstring and then.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Concussion and stuff. And he held himself out.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: And he pulled himself out with that broken hand in
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: the last game of the season after still playing pretty
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: decent against the Packers.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, he was with the Vikings for three seasons.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: One season.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: He was with the Vikings for three seasons, not completely, but...
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: He was injured for one.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: His rookie year last year, and then he got traded
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: after a couple of games of this year. So parts
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: of three seasons.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: He was injured for one. He played a lot of
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: another one and then got traded early on in the third.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: But I still think that's shaky ground for an argument
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: that JJ is better than Kyler.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not saying that right now. I wish J.J.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: McCarthy would have gotten more of an opportunity. And you
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: better believe I'd be pounding the table for J.J. McCarthy
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: to be starting right now if he was still with
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: the Vikings. But he's not, so I can't. And that's
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: not an argument I'm going to waste time on our
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: show talking about. But my whole thing is we've been saying, Kyler,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: if he can just hit the open guys.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: The guys are open.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: He just needs to make his reads and sit there
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit longer because the offensive line is giving
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: him time, but no, he just S's the bed every week.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: We've been saying it all year. Like, if he can
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: just do this, do that, do this just a little
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: bit better. He's definitely going to, it's going to click.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: If it can just click, eventually the season's going to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: be over. And we'll have been saying all year, I
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: wish it would have just clicked. And then the Vikings
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: don't do anything because they just wanted it to click
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: with one guy. My whole thing is we've seen enough
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: I've seen enough Carson Wentz and his little bit of
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: time playing for the Vikings this year. And last year
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: you're on record saying Carson Wentz was the best quarterback
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: on the roster in 2025 last year. And I pushed back.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, whatever.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: JJ is just young right now. Carson Wentz is the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: best quarterback on the Vikings roster right now. And I'm
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: advocating for him to get the start. Uh, at least
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: if not the whole rest of the season, uh, Until
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: the Vikings do something crazy, blow our minds trading for
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: her cousins or Justin Herbert. We've spent a lot of
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: our episode talking about this, Ev. And I love that
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: we disagree on this. I love when we disagree because
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: that's when we spend a lot of time talking about
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: those topics. So you don't agree with me, but I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: think it's time for the Vikings to make a change.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Ben Lieber. He's been saying this week it's
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: time to make a change. I think we both disagree.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: respect Ben Lieber's opinions a lot, whether or not we
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: agree with them, Evan, maybe we just need to hit
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: pause on the quarterback talker until something does or doesn't
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: change trade deadlines happening before we record our next episode.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: So we'll have, we'll have some fodder to talk about.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Then we'll also have another football game to talk about
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: the Vikings host on Monday night. Um, the also six
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: and one Buffalo bills, uh, It's going to be a
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: tough game. Earlier, you mentioned a stat, Ev, and it
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: kind of clocked. Something rang in my brain. You mentioned
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: that the Bills have scored the most points of any
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: team in the league this year. The Vikings, you also
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: mentioned this, have allowed the fewest points. So we literally
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: have the highest scoring team against the hardest to score
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: against team.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: And....
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: The Vikings are at home. You would think that would
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: give them a little bit of a bias there. Evan,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: what are your initial thoughts on the Vikings-Bills game that
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: we'll see on Monday night?
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a good game. And I know
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a good game because it's on
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Monday night. And those primetime games are always fun. I
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: also know it's going to be a good game Because
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: I had a student of mine come up to me
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: and he said, Mr. Duth, I got all A's in
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: the first quarter.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: Good for them.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: And my dad told me that if I did that,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: we would get to go to the Vikings-Bills game on
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Monday night and I would get to miss a whole
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: day of school. And I'm like, well, looks like I'm
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: going to miss you in class on Monday, whatever that is, Monday,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: November 9th. Go to Minneapolis and cheer loud for me.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Because I have a big Vikings flag. It's bigger than
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: this whole thing right behind us here in my classroom.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: It's awesome. Any kid that walks into my classroom knows
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: without a shadow of a doubt that I'm a Vikings fan.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: Good. That's how it should be.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: That's exactly how it should be. But, yeah, I'm excited
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: for him to go to U.S.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: Bank.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't ask him, and maybe I will in the
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: next couple of days before he goes, you know. Have
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: you been there? What's your experience been like? Have you
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: had fun? I don't know any of that about this
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: particular kid, but I know I've been there, and it's
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: been awesome. I've really only been there for, like, day games. Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Middle of the day games. I haven't been there for
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: night primetime.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: I've heard they do it right. They get the wristbands
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: with the LED lights and everything's all.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they do it right.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I'll be watching it for sure. I will have it on.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I've got nothing else going on on Monday night. I
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: will be locked in, tuned in. It'll be the only
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: thing that's on at my house. I'm excited for the game.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: It will be an incredible game, I think. These two
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: teams have proven in the last several years, really since
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: we started the podcast, and when they play each other,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: You better watch it because the fireworks will come out.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: It's a good game. The Bills have a great offense.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: The Vikings have a great defense. I think it's going
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: to be a good one. I'm pumped to see what happens. Yeah,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: what do you think? I agree.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a good game. I
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: think people who like watching football of teams that they're
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: not giant fans of are going to enjoy this game.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: I think the Vikings' defense, even though they cracked a
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: little bit last week against the Lions, which, by the way,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: the Lions are one of the best offenses in the league,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: and the defense still held them to under 20 points. Now,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: I know the way the Vikings-Lions game worked out, the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Lions didn't have to push and try to score every
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: point for every second they had to, but the Vikings' defense,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: even with cracking a little bit in the second half,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: still held the Lions to under 20 points. definitely got
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: into Jared Goff's head. Like we said, Van Ginkle had
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: two and a half sacks in the first half, and
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: I think that's his career high for a game. I
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: think the defense for the Vikings is still going to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: be good. Unfortunately, since we're recording on Wednesday, that's usually
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: the day the first injury report comes out and the
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: coaches have some Media time, but I think it with
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: it being a one or a Monday game Everything for
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: that gets pushed back one day. So I think on
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Thursday the day we put this out Well, we'll get
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: the first injury report for both teams We'll get a
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: little bit more insight into Kyler Murray's Hamstring injury because
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: they'll have to report it if he's you know a
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: full limited or not participant in practice Coach O'Connell will
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: talk to the media Um, but I think the defense
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: is definitely going to still find ways to get after
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. Um, there's no question. He's an MVP, not
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: just an MVP level player. He's literally an MVP. Um,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: and he can run around. So hopefully if the Vikings
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: get after him in the backfield, he doesn't escape and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: rush for 150 yards. Like some quarterbacks could, um, I
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: am kind of concerned about James Cook, um, He is
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: starting to do some of the elite things that we
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: saw his brother Dalvin do when Dalvin was in his prime.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: And Jameer Gibbs proved when a running back is really
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: cooking against the Vikings defense, this defense can have troubles
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: with an elite running back. I think the defense is
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: good enough to stop the Bills offense or at least
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: hold them similarly to... to the way they did for
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: the most part against the lions. I'm concerned about the
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Vikings offense. Uh, I personally hope there's a quarterback change,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: even if it's in the form of a soft benching
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: quote unquote, um, because of a hamstring injury, I'm not
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: advocating for Kyler Murray to be injured. That'd be terrible, but, uh,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see what Carson Wentz can do, uh,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: after getting all the starting reps throughout practice throughout the week.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: Cause I think Carson is better equipped in this KOC
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: offense than Kyler Murray is, especially right now. I think
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: good things can happen for the Vikings offense, but I'm
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: not very optimistic currently about the Vikings' chances of winning
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: this game. Evan, do you think you're ready? Really quick,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: the Bills currently are favored by 3.5 points, and there's
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: an over-under of 45.5 total points scored in the game.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: Thoughts on that? bills being favored right now and then
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: i want your your prediction for win loss and points
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: scored for the game.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah i'll take the under on that for sure okay
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: and i will take the bills um i'm gonna stick
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: with my pre-season prediction the vikings will lose this game
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: it'll be the second loss in a row it will
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: seem like the sky is falling for the vikings it's
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: not it'll be fine we're all gonna be so mad
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: I know. And it'll be frustrating to watch, but I'm
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: just preparing myself for it right now. I think the
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Vikings will lose 24 to 10.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: Hmm. Okay.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I will also hold on. Dang it. I just lost everything.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Over under was what? 40, 45 and a half. I'm
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: actually going to take the over on that, but I'm
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: really down on the Vikings right now. If, Kyler Murray starts.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: To me, there's no chance of the Vikings winning. I
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be an epic loss. I think
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: the Vikings will lose to the Bills something like 38-9,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: and Will Record's going to score all three of those
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: field goals and all nine of those points. But I
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: think this is a game that will spark change. whether
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: it's a trade or definitely a starter change. Did you
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: say that the trade deadline was the 11th?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: I believe it's the 11th, yeah. That's what I have gathered,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: but we could maybe Google that quickly and make sure
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: that we are accurate on that. I'm pretty sure it's
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: November 11th.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to look that up really quick. Tuesday,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: November 10th. Google is telling me at 4 p.m.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: So after the Vikings game on Monday night, it.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Won, you know, a few hours after that game, one
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: day after that game. Yeah. So maybe if the Viking,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: if Kyler Murray comes out and rushes for 200 yards
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: and throws for 500 yards and looks like the second
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: coming of Joe Montana and Michael Vick and Fran Tarkenton
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: all combined, then yeah, obviously they're not going to make
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: a trade unless they do something between now and then.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: But if it's another rough game and a just absolute
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: butt whooping like I'm predicting with my score, hopefully that
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: sparks change. Hopefully Nolan Teasley and Kevin O'Connell have the
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: fire lit under their rear ends like they did probably
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: hopefully do right now. And they make the change and, uh,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: or many changes because this defense is too good. And the,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: the offense receivers are too open consistently. And the special
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: teams are, is too good. And will records too good
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  Speaker 2: to let this rest on the hopes of someone who's
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  Speaker 2: my height or shorter suddenly clicking as a good quarterback
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  Speaker 2: in this offense, even though we haven't seen it.
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• 1:30:17
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• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: and uh if you give us somewhere to send it
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• 1:30:32
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  Speaker 2: yeah that's that's about it evan did you like this
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: beer i.
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  Speaker 1: Did um i think if i were to buy this
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: though the lawnmower scale would have to be adjusted.
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  Speaker 2: Just a little bit what would your lawnmower scale be
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  Speaker 2: um I gave a 7.0. What would you give?
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  Speaker 1: I'd probably go 6.5. Okay, a little bit lower? Just
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  Speaker 1: because if I have two of these, I'm going to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: need to take a nap.
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  Speaker 2: Well, two might be the sweet spot, and we're about
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  Speaker 2: at two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: 6.8%. That's not a low percent. We've had higher.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pretty high percentage, and it's a good beer.
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  Speaker 1: I won't deny you of that at all. Great taste,
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  Speaker 1: great flavor.
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  Speaker 2: Papa John's.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, good thing it's bedtime. And I just noticed
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: you got a call from your beloved, uh, that may
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: have been, uh, Hey, you're, you're running long. This is
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: one of our longer episodes in a while. You're running long. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: where are you at? Uh, hopefully everything's okay. Uh, I
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: believe it is. Uh, Evan, uh, it sounds like we're
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: both pretty low on the Vikings bills game. Um, Hopefully
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: it turns out better than we initially think. I do
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: think we are guaranteed a wheel spin because you preseason
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: predicted a loss. And like an idiot, I preseason predicted
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  Speaker 2: a win.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: You picked a lot of wins coming up.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I've got a streak of wins. So we're guaranteed a
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: few spins here in the next few weeks. And I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: kind of hate it because I'm looking at those spicy
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: gummy bears and the cinnamon challenge over there and the
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: bean poozle. But at least I don't have to get
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: sting ponged anymore. So.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: You're done with that. How are the welts doing? Are
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: they good? No, they pretty much dissipate.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: They've dissipated, but they're still mental welts. Those won't go away. Evan,
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  Speaker 2: I've had a lot of fun. This has been a
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: really great beer. A really good episode.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: You might say it was the best episode yet.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Skol. Skol.