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Exploring the Dynamics of Compassion in Personal Growth · ADHD & Neurodiversity: The Spicy Brain Podcast

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Foreign.
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Hello,
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Megan.
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We're
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just
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doing
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a
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little
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quick,
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Quick
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little
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debrief.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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So
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we're
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debriefing.
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Let's.
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Let's
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get
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into
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it.
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I
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don't
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know,
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a
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little
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thing.
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Yeah,
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like,
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so
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welcome
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to
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our
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Spicy
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Brain
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podcast.
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This
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is
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a
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little
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amuse
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bouche
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of
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kind
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of
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what
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we're
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going
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through
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right
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now.
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So
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I'm
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learning
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all
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stuff,
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kinds
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of
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things
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about
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my
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brain.
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We
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always
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learn
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about
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Rosie's
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brain
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on
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this
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one.
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And
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usually
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we're
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following
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a
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book,
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but
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this
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one,
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I
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just
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wanted
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us
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to
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talk
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through
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a
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couple
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things
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that
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are
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going
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on
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in
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life
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right
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now.
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So
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it's
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interesting
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because
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I
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was
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just
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telling
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you
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right
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before
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we
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decided
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to
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hit
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record
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that
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the
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idea
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of
0:44
other
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people's
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energy
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being
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in
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our
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space,
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potentially,
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or
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for
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me,
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anyway,
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I
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was
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just
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talking
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with
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my
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therapist
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about
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the
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difference
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between
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compassion
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and
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empathy.
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And.
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And
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I
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really
0:57
didn't.
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I
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don't.
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You
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know,
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again,
1:00
I
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don't
1:01
know
1:01
exactly
1:02
the,
1:03
the
1:03
technical
1:04
definitions,
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but
1:05
the
1:05
way
1:05
she
1:05
described
1:06
it
1:06
was
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empathy
1:08
is
1:08
taking
1:08
in
1:09
somebody
1:09
else's
1:09
emotions
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and
1:10
feeling
1:10
them
1:11
for
1:11
yourself.
1:12
Right.
1:13
Which
1:13
all
1:13
actors
1:14
probably
1:14
have
1:15
to
1:15
do
1:15
at
1:15
some
1:15
point.
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And
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then
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compassion
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is
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understanding
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those
1:21
emotions.
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And
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empath,
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like,
1:22
like,
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I
1:23
keep
1:23
using
1:24
the
1:24
word
1:24
empathy,
1:24
but,
1:24
like,
1:25
you
1:25
know,
1:25
understanding
1:26
those
1:26
emotions
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but
1:27
keeping
1:28
yourself
1:29
understanding
1:30
your
1:30
own
1:30
emotions
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within
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that,
1:31
but
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not
1:32
necessarily,
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like
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putting
1:33
those.
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Having
1:34
to
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feel
1:35
what
1:35
they
1:35
feel.
1:35
Exactly.
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And
1:37
I
1:37
was
1:37
like,
1:38
interesting.
1:38
I
1:39
don't
1:39
know.
1:39
I'm
1:40
not
1:40
good
1:40
at
1:40
that.
1:40
Well,
1:41
anyway,
1:42
yeah,
1:43
so
1:44
go
1:44
ahead.
1:44
What
1:44
you're
1:44
gonna
1:44
say.
1:45
No,
1:45
I
1:45
was
1:45
just.
1:45
I
1:45
was
1:45
thinking,
1:46
like,
1:46
you're,
1:46
you're
1:46
empathizing,
1:47
but
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you're
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not.
1:49
It's
1:50
not.
1:50
Yeah,
1:50
in
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an
1:51
empathetic
1:51
state.
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Maybe
1:54
going
1:54
back
1:54
to
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the
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whole,
1:55
like,
1:55
grammar
1:56
stuff,
1:56
because
1:57
you
1:58
got
1:58
this
1:58
whole.
1:58
Grammar
1:59
thing
1:59
we're
1:59
going
1:59
to
1:59
talk
1:59
about
2:00
this
2:00
morning.
2:02
So
2:02
we
2:02
got
2:02
to
2:03
talk
2:03
about
2:03
that,
2:03
too.
2:03
For
2:03
sure.
2:04
I'll
2:04
bring
2:04
it
2:04
back
2:05
up.
2:05
So
2:06
this
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whole
2:06
idea,
2:06
though,
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of
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being
2:07
compassionate,
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when
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she
2:09
was
2:09
describing
2:09
it,
2:09
I'm
2:09
like,
2:09
that
2:10
actually
2:10
kind
2:10
of
2:11
feels
2:11
cold
2:11
to
2:11
me.
2:12
Yeah,
2:13
I'm
2:13
not
2:13
going
2:13
to
2:13
be
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in
2:14
it
2:14
with
2:14
you.
2:14
That
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I'm
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going
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to
2:15
see
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you
2:17
understand
2:18
and
2:19
be
2:20
compassionate
2:21
that
2:22
you're
2:22
having
2:22
this.
2:22
But
2:23
that
2:23
if
2:23
I
2:23
get
2:23
in
2:23
it
2:24
with
2:24
you,
2:25
then
2:25
I'm
2:25
actually
2:26
making
2:26
it
2:26
about
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me
2:27
because
2:28
I
2:28
start
2:28
getting
2:29
spinny.
2:30
For
2:30
me,
2:30
that's
2:30
what
2:30
happens
2:31
to
2:31
me.
2:31
Like,
2:31
I
2:31
get.
2:32
I
2:32
call
2:32
it
2:32
the
2:32
spinnies.
2:33
Like,
2:33
I
2:33
get
2:33
spinny.
2:34
And
2:34
then,
2:35
you
2:35
know,
2:35
like,
2:36
we
2:36
had
2:36
a
2:36
really
2:36
dear
2:37
friend
2:37
who
2:37
ended
2:37
up
2:37
in
2:38
a
2:38
horrible
2:38
motorcycle
2:39
accident,
2:40
and
2:40
I
2:40
got,
2:41
you
2:41
know,
2:42
you
2:42
were
2:42
there
2:42
that
2:42
day,
2:43
visiting
2:44
when.
2:44
When
2:44
we
2:45
found
2:45
out
2:45
the
2:45
news,
2:45
and
2:46
I
2:46
was
2:46
just
2:47
beside
2:48
myself.
2:48
Right.
2:48
And
2:49
I.
2:49
And
2:49
I
2:50
couldn't.
2:50
And
2:51
that's
2:51
kind
2:51
of
2:51
an
2:51
interesting
2:52
term
2:52
anyway,
2:53
besides
2:53
yourself,
2:53
it's
2:54
like
2:54
you're
2:54
not
2:54
in
2:54
yourself
2:55
completely.
2:55
Yeah.
2:56
But,
2:57
you
2:57
know,
2:57
there
2:57
was
2:58
the
2:58
shock
2:58
of
2:58
it,
2:58
and
2:58
then
2:59
there
2:59
was
2:59
all
2:59
the
2:59
emotions.
3:00
And
3:00
then
3:00
immediately,
3:01
like,
3:01
almost
3:01
immediately,
3:02
I
3:02
went
3:02
inward
3:03
and
3:03
was
3:03
thinking
3:03
about,
3:04
well,
3:05
if
3:05
he
3:05
had
3:05
come
3:06
into
3:06
our
3:06
house
3:07
versus
3:07
not
3:07
come
3:08
in.
3:08
And,
3:08
you
3:08
know,
3:08
what
3:09
if
3:09
he
3:09
had
3:09
never
3:09
gotten
3:09
the
3:10
motorcycle
3:10
and
3:10
was
3:10
I
3:11
part,
3:11
you
3:11
know,
3:11
all
3:12
of
3:12
this
3:12
stuff.
3:12
Right.
3:13
And
3:13
I
3:13
started
3:14
making
3:14
it
3:14
about
3:15
me
3:15
ultimately
3:17
when
3:17
I
3:17
did
3:17
that.
3:18
And
3:19
anyway,
3:20
she
3:20
said
3:20
this
3:20
idea,
3:21
which,
3:22
you
3:22
know,
3:22
of
3:22
course
3:23
is
3:23
sort
3:23
of,
3:23
like,
3:23
obvious
3:24
on
3:24
the
3:24
surface
3:25
of
3:25
it,
3:25
but
3:25
in
3:25
the
3:25
moment
3:26
wasn't
3:26
for
3:26
me,
3:27
was
3:27
just
3:28
this
3:28
idea
3:28
that
3:29
when
3:29
I
3:30
get
3:30
spinny,
3:31
because
3:31
I'm
3:31
working
3:31
at,
3:32
like,
3:32
not
3:32
dissociating,
3:33
staying
3:33
present,
3:34
but
3:34
when
3:34
I
3:34
get
3:35
what
3:35
I
3:35
call
3:35
spinny,
3:36
the
3:36
spinnies,
3:37
I'm.
3:37
That's
3:38
my
3:38
form
3:38
of
3:38
dissociation.
3:40
And
3:40
I'm
3:40
like,
3:40
I
3:41
never
3:41
would
3:41
have
3:42
described
3:42
it
3:42
that
3:42
way.
3:43
I.
3:43
I
3:43
never
3:43
would
3:43
have
3:44
said,
3:44
oh,
3:44
when
3:44
I'm
3:45
having
3:45
sort
3:45
of
3:45
an
3:45
anxiety
3:46
or
3:46
beginnings
3:47
of
3:47
a
3:47
panic
3:47
attack
3:49
that.
3:50
That
3:50
somehow
3:50
is
3:51
the
3:52
same
3:52
as
3:52
dissociating.
3:53
I
3:53
always
3:53
thought
3:53
of
3:54
dissociating
3:54
as,
3:54
like,
3:55
kind
3:55
of
3:55
floating
3:55
off
3:56
in
3:56
my
3:57
mind,
3:58
so
3:58
I
3:58
didn't
3:58
think
3:59
of
3:59
it
3:59
as
3:59
that.
4:00
And
4:00
so
4:00
anyway,
4:00
when
4:00
she
4:01
said
4:01
that
4:02
made
4:02
a
4:02
lot
4:02
of
4:02
sense
4:03
because
4:03
you.
4:03
Said,
4:03
like,
4:04
you
4:04
said,
4:04
like,
4:04
you
4:04
thought
4:05
dissociates
4:05
floating
4:06
off,
4:07
but
4:08
when
4:08
you
4:08
get
4:08
spinny,
4:09
you're
4:09
beside
4:09
yourself.
4:11
Yeah.
4:12
So
4:12
you
4:12
kind
4:13
of
4:13
are
4:14
out
4:14
of
4:15
body.
4:15
It's.
4:16
It
4:16
is.
4:17
Yeah.
4:17
Like,
4:17
either
4:17
way,
4:17
it's
4:18
like,
4:18
whether
4:18
you're
4:19
floating
4:19
or
4:19
whether
4:19
you're
4:20
just
4:20
standing
4:21
next
4:21
to
4:21
you,
4:21
it's
4:21
like
4:21
it's
4:21
still
4:22
out
4:22
of
4:22
body.
4:23
That's
4:23
interesting.
4:24
Yeah.
4:24
And
4:25
then
4:25
it
4:25
made
4:25
me
4:25
think.
4:26
And
4:26
she
4:26
said,
4:26
so
4:27
then
4:27
you're
4:27
not
4:27
present,
4:28
and
4:29
then
4:29
you're
4:29
also
4:29
not
4:30
ready
4:30
to
4:30
actually
4:31
take
4:31
action
4:31
and
4:32
help
4:32
someone
4:32
else.
4:33
So
4:34
she's
4:34
like,
4:34
so
4:34
what
4:34
can
4:35
you
4:35
actually
4:35
do
4:35
for
4:35
this
4:36
person
4:36
who
4:36
you
4:37
care
4:37
about
4:37
but
4:37
is
4:37
in
4:38
the
4:38
icu?
4:38
She's
4:38
like,
4:38
are
4:39
there
4:39
concrete
4:39
things
4:39
you
4:40
could
4:40
do?
4:40
Like,
4:40
you
4:40
could
4:40
write
4:41
a
4:41
card,
4:41
you
4:41
could
4:41
do
4:41
this.
4:42
You
4:42
know,
4:42
you
4:42
could
4:44
send
4:44
flowers,
4:44
you
4:44
could
4:45
do
4:45
something.
4:45
But
4:45
you
4:46
need
4:46
to
4:47
steady
4:47
yourself
4:48
so
4:48
that
4:48
you
4:48
can
4:48
be
4:49
ready
4:49
to
4:49
act,
4:50
because
4:50
there's
4:50
literally
4:50
nothing
4:51
you
4:51
can
4:51
do
4:52
currently.
4:53
Right.
4:53
Like,
4:53
I
4:53
can't
4:54
go
4:54
there
4:54
and
4:55
spend
4:55
eight
4:56
hours
4:56
because
4:56
I
4:56
work.
4:57
I
4:57
can't
4:57
go
4:57
there
4:58
and
4:58
do
4:58
any
4:58
of
4:59
the
4:59
nursing
4:59
or
4:59
doctoring
5:00
because
5:00
I'm
5:00
Not
5:00
a
5:00
nurse
5:00
or
5:01
a
5:01
doctor.
5:01
So,
5:02
you
5:02
know,
5:02
there
5:03
really
5:03
isn't
5:03
anything
5:04
I
5:04
can
5:05
physically
5:05
do
5:05
right
5:06
now.
5:06
And
5:07
I
5:07
thought,
5:07
gosh,
5:07
that's
5:08
so
5:08
interesting.
5:08
So
5:08
I
5:09
thought
5:09
I'd
5:09
bring
5:09
that
5:09
up
5:09
to
5:09
you
5:09
and
5:10
see
5:10
what.
5:10
What
5:10
you
5:11
thought
5:11
about
5:11
that,
5:11
because
5:11
that.
5:12
Literally,
5:12
adhd,
5:14
it's
5:14
like,
5:14
literally
5:15
out
5:15
of
5:15
your
5:15
hands.
5:16
Well,
5:17
this
5:17
is
5:17
also
5:17
why
5:17
they
5:18
say,
5:18
you
5:18
know,
5:18
you
5:19
have
5:19
to.
5:20
To
5:20
get
5:20
a
5:20
real
5:21
diagnosis
5:21
as
5:21
an
5:21
adult,
5:21
you
5:22
have
5:22
to,
5:22
like,
5:22
if
5:22
you've
5:22
had
5:22
trauma
5:23
in
5:23
your
5:23
past
5:23
that
5:23
you
5:24
have
5:24
to
5:25
figure
5:25
out.
5:25
You
5:25
have
5:26
to
5:26
deal
5:26
with
5:26
your
5:26
trauma
5:26
first
5:27
and
5:27
then
5:27
figure
5:27
out
5:27
if
5:27
you're
5:28
adhd,
5:28
because,
5:29
like,
5:29
trauma
5:29
can
5:30
show
5:30
up
5:31
like
5:31
adhd.
5:32
Like,
5:32
it
5:33
can.
5:33
It
5:33
can
5:33
be
5:33
very.
5:34
The
5:34
similar.
5:35
Similar
5:36
thing.
5:36
Like,
5:36
I
5:36
have
5:37
trouble
5:37
regulating
5:37
my
5:38
emotions
5:38
at
5:38
that
5:39
time.
5:39
I
5:40
have
5:40
trouble
5:40
with
5:41
impulse
5:42
control
5:42
at
5:42
that
5:42
time.
5:43
Much
5:43
more
5:43
so
5:44
I
5:44
have
5:44
trouble,
5:44
you
5:45
know,
5:45
just.
5:45
Just
5:46
relating
5:46
and
5:46
relational
5:47
things
5:47
when
5:47
I'm
5:48
in
5:48
those
5:48
moments.
5:49
So,
5:49
yeah,
5:50
I
5:50
think
5:51
so.
5:51
I
5:51
think
5:51
if
5:51
anything,
5:52
like,
5:52
it.
5:53
You
5:53
know,
5:53
even
5:53
if
5:54
it
5:54
isn't
5:54
adhd,
5:55
like,
5:55
but
5:56
it
5:56
is
5:56
a
5:56
good
5:56
opportunity
5:57
for.
5:59
For,
6:00
like,
6:00
understanding,
6:01
right?
6:01
Like,
6:01
for
6:02
you
6:02
to
6:02
understand
6:02
me
6:03
and
6:03
Josh
6:03
and
6:04
Brian
6:04
and
6:04
even
6:05
mom
6:05
to
6:05
some
6:05
extent,
6:06
even
6:06
though
6:06
she's
6:06
not
6:07
been
6:07
officially
6:07
diagnosed,
6:08
but
6:08
she
6:08
probably
6:09
is,
6:11
you
6:12
know,
6:12
Like,
6:12
I.
6:12
Like,
6:13
literally
6:13
we
6:13
were.
6:13
You
6:13
know,
6:13
Brian
6:14
and
6:14
I
6:14
were
6:14
talking
6:14
this
6:15
morning,
6:15
and
6:15
like,
6:15
when
6:15
we
6:16
were
6:16
talking,
6:16
like,
6:16
there
6:17
was
6:17
a
6:17
moment
6:17
where
6:17
he
6:18
was.
6:19
Because
6:19
he
6:19
understood
6:20
the
6:20
conversation.
6:21
He
6:22
was.
6:23
He
6:23
was
6:24
asking
6:24
me
6:24
a
6:24
question,
6:24
and
6:25
he
6:25
kept
6:25
asking,
6:25
like,
6:26
cup.
6:26
He'd
6:26
asked
6:27
me
6:27
a
6:27
question,
6:27
and
6:27
he'd
6:27
repeat,
6:28
like,
6:28
multi.
6:28
He
6:28
starts
6:29
saying
6:29
other
6:29
stuff,
6:30
and,
6:30
like,
6:30
I'm
6:31
trying
6:31
to
6:31
answer
6:31
the
6:31
question,
6:32
and,
6:32
like,
6:32
I
6:32
just
6:32
got
6:32
so
6:33
overwhelmed,
6:34
and
6:36
I
6:36
was
6:36
like,
6:36
I
6:36
couldn't
6:37
think.
6:37
And
6:37
then
6:38
I.
6:38
I
6:38
literally,
6:38
like,
6:39
stopped
6:39
for
6:39
a
6:39
second.
6:39
I
6:39
was
6:40
like.
6:40
I
6:40
was
6:40
like,
6:41
I
6:41
can't.
6:41
I
6:41
can't
6:41
just
6:42
stop.
6:42
Stop.
6:42
Stop
6:42
talking.
6:42
Stop
6:42
talking.
6:43
And
6:43
then
6:43
I.
6:44
And
6:44
I.
6:44
And
6:44
I
6:44
sat
6:45
there
6:45
and
6:45
I
6:45
was
6:45
like,
6:45
oh,
6:46
my
6:46
God,
6:46
this
6:46
is
6:46
exactly
6:47
what
6:47
you're
6:47
always
6:48
telling
6:48
me,
6:48
that
6:49
I'm
6:49
not
6:49
letting
6:49
you
6:50
think
6:51
and,
6:51
you
6:51
know,
6:52
process.
6:52
And
6:53
I
6:53
was
6:53
like,
6:53
this
6:53
is.
6:53
Is
6:54
this.
6:54
Is
6:54
this
6:54
what
6:55
you
6:55
go
6:55
through
6:56
on
6:56
a
6:56
daily.
6:57
Like,
6:57
when
6:57
it's
6:57
stuff
6:58
that
6:58
I'm
6:58
talking
6:58
to
6:58
you
6:58
about,
6:59
you
6:59
know?
6:59
And
6:59
so
6:59
it,
6:59
like,
6:59
it.
7:00
That
7:00
moment
7:00
of
7:01
me
7:01
struggling
7:02
gave
7:02
me
7:03
an
7:03
insight
7:03
into
7:04
him
7:04
and
7:05
a
7:05
struggle
7:05
that
7:05
he
7:06
and
7:06
I
7:06
have
7:06
together
7:07
and
7:08
what
7:08
I
7:08
can
7:08
do
7:08
differently.
7:10
Does
7:11
that
7:11
make
7:11
sense?
7:12
Yeah,
7:13
it
7:13
totally
7:13
does.
7:13
Yeah.
7:14
I
7:14
mean,
7:14
it's
7:14
interesting
7:15
because
7:15
it's
7:16
kind
7:16
of
7:16
coming
7:16
from
7:17
two
7:17
different
7:18
perspectives.
7:19
Like,
7:19
mine's
7:19
from,
7:20
like,
7:20
ptsd,
7:20
and
7:21
yours
7:21
is
7:21
from
7:21
adhd.
7:22
But
7:22
it's
7:22
the
7:22
same
7:22
thing,
7:23
like,
7:23
not
7:23
being
7:24
able
7:24
to,
7:24
like,
7:24
you're.
7:25
You're
7:25
flooded
7:26
or
7:26
you
7:27
don't
7:27
have
7:27
the.
7:28
Maybe
7:29
for
7:29
different
7:29
reasons.
7:29
Maybe
7:30
it's
7:30
like,
7:30
different
7:30
chemicals
7:31
doing
7:31
it
7:31
or
7:31
it's
7:31
the
7:31
same.
7:32
I
7:32
don't
7:32
know.
7:32
But,
7:33
you
7:33
know,
7:33
it's
7:33
interesting,
7:34
but
7:34
it's
7:34
like,
7:35
I
7:35
think
7:35
you
7:35
don't
7:35
have
7:36
that
7:36
management
7:37
of
7:37
your.
7:37
Of
7:38
what
7:38
you
7:38
need
7:38
at
7:39
that
7:39
moment.
7:40
Yeah,
7:40
that's
7:40
true.
7:41
Well,
7:41
no,
7:41
I
7:41
mean,
7:42
honestly,
7:42
like,
7:42
the.
7:42
The
7:42
conversation
7:43
ultimately
7:44
was
7:44
actually
7:45
ptsd.
7:46
The
7:46
reason
7:46
why
7:46
I
7:46
was
7:46
struggling
7:47
with
7:47
it
7:47
was
7:47
ptsd.
7:48
I
7:49
mean,
7:49
yes,
7:49
there's
7:49
also
7:50
an
7:50
ADHD
7:50
component.
7:51
But
7:51
then
7:51
the
7:51
part
7:51
like
7:52
the
7:52
ADHD
7:52
component
7:53
made
7:53
me,
7:53
like,
7:53
do
7:53
quick
7:53
quits.
7:54
But
7:54
then
7:55
the
7:55
part
7:55
that
7:55
got
7:55
me
7:55
frustrated
7:56
was
7:56
the
7:56
PTSD
7:57
part
7:58
from
7:58
school.
7:59
Yeah.
8:01
So,
8:01
like,
8:01
I
8:01
mean,
8:02
I
8:02
think
8:02
that's
8:02
what's
8:02
interesting
8:03
is,
8:03
like.
8:03
Is
8:03
that.
8:03
But
8:04
what
8:04
I
8:04
think
8:04
is
8:05
fascinating
8:05
is
8:05
that,
8:06
like,
8:06
it
8:07
reminded
8:07
me
8:07
it's
8:08
an
8:08
opportunity
8:08
for
8:09
me,
8:09
since
8:09
I
8:10
don't
8:10
typically
8:11
struggle
8:13
with,
8:14
like,
8:14
verbal
8:15
communication,
8:15
like,
8:15
talking
8:16
and
8:16
then
8:17
knowing
8:17
what
8:18
I'm
8:18
thinking
8:18
right
8:18
away.
8:19
So
8:19
I
8:20
don't
8:20
deal
8:20
with
8:20
that.
8:20
I
8:21
don't.
8:22
I
8:22
don't
8:22
have
8:22
as
8:22
much
8:23
empathy
8:24
or
8:24
as
8:24
much
8:24
consideration
8:25
for
8:25
Brian
8:27
when
8:28
he's.
8:29
Compassion.
8:29
That's
8:29
the
8:29
word.
8:30
I
8:30
don't
8:30
have
8:30
as
8:30
much
8:31
compassion
8:31
for
8:31
him
8:32
when
8:32
I'm
8:32
like,
8:32
well,
8:32
I
8:32
can't.
8:33
Like,
8:33
okay,
8:33
fine,
8:33
I
8:33
have
8:33
to
8:33
just
8:34
stop
8:34
talking
8:34
and
8:34
I
8:34
can't
8:35
be
8:35
myself.
8:36
But
8:36
then
8:37
I
8:37
realized,
8:37
like,
8:38
that
8:38
moment
8:39
of,
8:39
like,
8:39
oh,
8:39
I
8:40
have
8:40
this
8:40
trauma
8:41
around
8:41
it.
8:41
So
8:42
it's,
8:42
like,
8:42
really
8:42
hard
8:42
for
8:42
me
8:43
to
8:43
talk
8:43
about
8:43
this
8:43
conversation
8:45
and
8:45
understand
8:46
and
8:46
process.
8:48
And
8:48
while
8:48
that's
8:49
not
8:49
difficult
8:49
on
8:50
a
8:50
regular
8:50
basis,
8:50
it
8:51
is
8:51
difficult
8:51
in
8:52
this
8:52
moment.
8:52
And
8:53
it
8:53
gave
8:53
me
8:54
the
8:54
ability
8:54
to,
8:54
like,
8:55
oh,
8:55
I
8:55
need
8:55
to
8:56
check
8:56
myself
8:58
when
8:58
I'm
8:59
talking
8:59
with
8:59
him.
8:59
You
9:00
know,
9:00
when
9:00
I
9:00
see
9:01
this
9:01
in
9:01
him,
9:01
I
9:01
need
9:02
to
9:02
check
9:02
myself
9:02
because
9:03
I'm
9:03
like,
9:03
oh,
9:04
I'm
9:04
not
9:04
being
9:04
very
9:05
compassionate
9:05
in
9:06
that
9:06
moment.
9:07
Yeah.
9:08
And
9:08
it's
9:08
interesting
9:08
when
9:08
you
9:09
said
9:09
it,
9:09
because
9:09
I
9:10
think.
9:11
When
9:11
I
9:13
think
9:13
about
9:14
how
9:14
hard
9:14
it
9:14
is
9:15
for
9:15
me
9:15
to
9:15
process
9:15
and
9:16
make
9:16
sense
9:16
of
9:16
things
9:17
and
9:17
make
9:17
decisions
9:18
when
9:18
I'm
9:19
in
9:19
the
9:19
state
9:20
I
9:20
was
9:20
talking
9:20
about
9:20
earlier,
9:21
I
9:21
think
9:21
it
9:22
might
9:22
be
9:22
similar
9:22
to
9:23
how
9:24
it
9:24
feels
9:24
maybe
9:25
for
9:25
Josh
9:26
regularly.
9:27
Right.
9:28
In
9:28
terms
9:28
of
9:29
that,
9:29
because
9:29
my
9:30
prefrontal
9:30
cortex
9:31
doesn't
9:32
have
9:32
all
9:32
of
9:33
the
9:34
chemicals.
9:35
Everything's
9:36
in
9:36
the
9:36
primitive
9:36
brain
9:36
in
9:37
the
9:37
back
9:37
of
9:37
my
9:37
head.
9:38
All
9:38
the
9:38
blood's
9:39
rushed
9:39
down
9:39
there,
9:39
and
9:39
it's
9:40
trying
9:40
to
9:40
save
9:40
me
9:40
from
9:40
the
9:41
lion
9:41
or
9:41
whatever.
9:41
I
9:41
think
9:42
of
9:42
as.
9:43
As
9:43
the
9:44
critical
9:44
thing
9:44
at
9:45
the
9:45
moment.
9:45
So
9:45
it's
9:46
interesting.
9:46
It's
9:46
not
9:46
the
9:46
same,
9:47
but
9:47
it's
9:47
the
9:47
same
9:48
of,
9:48
you
9:48
know,
9:49
like,
9:49
I
9:49
don't
9:49
deal
9:49
with
9:49
this
9:50
regularly,
9:50
but
9:50
when
9:51
there
9:51
are
9:51
moments
9:51
I
9:51
am
9:52
dealing
9:52
with
9:52
it,
9:52
how
9:52
important
9:53
it
9:53
is
9:53
for
9:53
us
9:53
to
9:54
be
9:54
compassionate
9:55
and
9:55
think
9:55
about
9:55
the
9:56
people
9:56
in
9:56
our
9:56
lives
9:56
who
9:56
do
9:57
have
9:57
that
9:57
going
9:57
on.
9:58
Yeah.
9:59
And
9:59
eventually
9:59
it
10:00
does
10:00
calm
10:01
down
10:01
a
10:02
bit.
10:02
So,
10:02
like,
10:02
there
10:02
is.
10:03
You
10:03
know,
10:03
it's
10:03
not.
10:03
It's
10:03
not
10:04
like
10:04
I'm
10:04
in
10:04
a
10:04
constant
10:05
state
10:05
of
10:07
that
10:09
prefrontal
10:09
cortex
10:10
being
10:10
flooded.
10:11
Right.
10:11
Like,
10:11
there's.
10:12
There's.
10:12
So,
10:12
like,
10:12
there's,
10:13
I
10:13
think,
10:13
a
10:13
point,
10:13
like,
10:14
where.
10:14
Yeah.
10:14
A
10:14
lot
10:14
of
10:15
times
10:15
is
10:15
how
10:15
it
10:16
is
10:16
to
10:16
deal
10:16
with
10:17
things,
10:17
like,
10:17
in
10:17
my
10:18
life.
10:18
But
10:18
then
10:18
also,
10:19
there
10:19
are
10:19
some
10:20
moments,
10:20
like
10:20
when.
10:21
Yes.
10:21
Like,
10:21
I
10:21
usually
10:22
find
10:22
a
10:22
way
10:22
to.
10:22
Get
10:22
out
10:22
of
10:23
it.
10:23
Like
10:23
you
10:23
found
10:23
a
10:23
way
10:23
to
10:23
get
10:23
out
10:24
of
10:24
it.
10:24
Out
10:24
of
10:25
your
10:25
spinnies.
10:25
You
10:25
know,
10:25
it's
10:25
like,
10:25
you
10:26
usually
10:26
find
10:26
a
10:26
way.
10:27
Now,
10:27
what
10:27
if
10:27
that
10:28
way.
10:28
It's
10:28
healthy
10:28
or
10:28
not.
10:30
Mm.
10:32
Yeah.
10:33
But
10:33
for
10:33
sure,
10:34
you
10:34
know,
10:34
usually
10:34
try
10:34
and.
10:35
How
10:35
long
10:35
does
10:35
it
10:36
take?
10:36
How
10:36
long
10:37
does
10:37
it
10:37
take?
10:37
See,
10:38
that's
10:38
what
10:38
I
10:38
feel
10:38
like
10:38
the
10:39
EMDR
10:39
has
10:39
done
10:39
for
10:39
me,
10:40
is
10:40
it
10:40
just
10:40
doesn't
10:40
take
10:40
as
10:41
long.
10:41
Yeah.
10:42
I
10:42
don't
10:42
think
10:43
it's
10:44
going
10:44
away
10:44
anytime,
10:45
you
10:45
know,
10:45
that
10:46
that
10:46
route
10:46
is
10:47
pretty
10:48
ingrained.
10:49
Ingrained,
10:49
but
10:50
ingrained
10:51
in
10:51
my
10:52
brain
10:52
head.
10:53
But,
10:53
you
10:54
know,
10:54
it
10:54
really
10:54
does
10:55
go.
10:55
I
10:55
do
10:56
come
10:56
back
10:56
from
10:57
it
10:57
more
10:57
quickly.
10:58
Right.
10:58
And
10:58
so
11:00
I've
11:00
noticed
11:00
that,
11:00
too,
11:01
like,
11:01
the
11:01
more
11:01
I
11:01
work
11:01
through
11:02
stuff,
11:02
like,
11:02
I
11:02
just
11:02
come
11:02
back
11:03
from
11:03
things
11:03
a
11:03
lot
11:03
quicker
11:03
than
11:04
I
11:04
used
11:04
to.
11:05
For
11:05
sure.
11:06
Yeah.
11:06
But
11:07
it
11:07
takes
11:07
time,
11:07
doesn't
11:07
it?
11:08
And
11:08
it's,
11:08
like,
11:08
so
11:08
much
11:08
work,
11:09
so
11:10
much
11:10
time.
11:10
It's
11:11
so
11:11
annoying.
11:11
Like,
11:12
really,
11:12
does
11:13
it
11:13
have
11:13
to
11:13
be
11:13
this
11:13
long,
11:14
really?
11:14
Right.
11:15
Right.
11:15
Can't.
11:16
Can't
11:16
somebody
11:16
just
11:16
go
11:17
in
11:17
and
11:17
tinker
11:17
in
11:18
there
11:18
and
11:18
fix
11:18
it
11:18
all?
11:18
I
11:19
know.
11:20
Just
11:20
fix
11:20
it
11:21
so
11:21
nice.
11:22
Make
11:22
it
11:22
better.
11:23
Yeah,
11:23
I
11:24
know.
11:24
Just
11:24
tastes.
11:25
I
11:25
know.
11:25
I
11:25
just
11:25
wanted
11:26
to
11:26
talk
11:26
to
11:26
you
11:26
about
11:26
that
11:26
because
11:26
I
11:27
thought
11:27
it
11:27
was
11:27
interesting,
11:28
the
11:28
idea,
11:29
the
11:29
separation
11:30
of
11:30
compassion
11:31
for
11:31
someone
11:31
versus,
11:32
like,
11:33
fully
11:33
empathizing
11:34
in
11:34
terms
11:35
of
11:35
taking
11:35
it
11:35
all
11:36
in.
11:37
I
11:37
was
11:37
thinking,
11:38
because
11:39
Brian's
11:39
in
11:39
school
11:39
right
11:40
now,
11:40
and
11:40
you've
11:41
seen
11:41
me
11:41
go
11:42
through
11:42
things
11:42
with
11:42
Josh,
11:43
with
11:43
school
11:43
and
11:44
how
11:44
much
11:44
I
11:44
take
11:44
it
11:45
on
11:45
as
11:45
my
11:45
own.
11:47
And
11:47
the
11:47
other
11:47
day
11:49
I
11:49
just
11:49
said,
11:50
buddy,
11:50
I'm
11:51
passing
11:51
the
11:51
baton
11:51
to
11:52
you.
11:52
You're
11:52
heading
11:52
off
11:53
to
11:53
college.
11:54
I
11:54
believe
11:54
in
11:55
you.
11:55
I
11:55
know
11:55
you
11:55
can
11:55
do
11:56
this,
11:56
and
11:57
I'm
11:58
here.
11:58
Please
11:59
ask
11:59
for
11:59
help
11:59
when
11:59
you
11:59
need
12:00
it.
12:01
And
12:02
no
12:02
kidding,
12:02
the
12:03
next
12:03
Day.
12:03
He.
12:04
You
12:04
know,
12:04
he
12:04
got
12:04
up,
12:05
whenever
12:05
he
12:05
got
12:05
up,
12:05
and
12:05
he
12:06
did
12:06
it.
12:06
Whatever
12:06
time
12:07
frame
12:07
he
12:07
did
12:07
it.
12:07
Because
12:07
I
12:08
was
12:08
at
12:08
work,
12:08
I
12:08
didn't
12:08
see.
12:09
But
12:09
I
12:09
kept
12:09
getting
12:10
texts
12:10
from
12:10
him
12:10
all
12:11
day,
12:11
you
12:11
know,
12:11
like,
12:11
okay,
12:12
I
12:12
contacted
12:12
this
12:12
person,
12:13
and
12:13
I
12:13
looked
12:13
up
12:13
this,
12:14
and
12:14
I
12:14
need
12:14
to
12:14
get
12:14
my
12:14
immunization
12:15
done,
12:15
and
12:15
I
12:15
need
12:15
to
12:16
do
12:16
this
12:16
and
12:16
I
12:16
need
12:16
to
12:16
do
12:16
that.
12:17
And
12:17
I'm
12:17
like,
12:18
all
12:18
right.
12:18
You
12:18
know,
12:19
like,
12:19
he's
12:19
got
12:19
a
12:19
plan,
12:20
you
12:20
know,
12:20
whether.
12:21
Like,
12:21
he
12:21
might
12:21
need
12:22
a
12:22
little
12:22
gentle
12:23
reminder
12:23
here
12:23
and
12:23
there
12:24
or
12:24
whatever.
12:24
But.
12:25
But
12:25
this
12:26
idea
12:26
of
12:26
just,
12:26
like,
12:27
handing
12:27
over
12:28
the
12:28
reins
12:29
to
12:29
that
12:29
was
12:29
actually
12:30
the
12:30
most
12:30
compassionate
12:31
thing
12:31
I
12:31
could
12:31
do.
12:31
Like,
12:32
I
12:32
didn't
12:32
need
12:32
to
12:32
empathize
12:33
with
12:33
his
12:34
anxiety
12:34
of
12:34
going
12:35
to
12:35
college
12:36
in
12:37
that
12:37
way.
12:37
Cause
12:37
of
12:37
course
12:37
he's
12:38
anxious
12:38
about
12:38
it
12:39
and
12:39
excited
12:40
and
12:40
all
12:40
the
12:40
things.
12:41
But
12:42
I
12:42
just
12:42
had
12:42
to
12:43
have
12:43
had
12:43
to
12:44
look
12:44
at
12:44
it
12:44
from
12:44
a
12:44
compassion
12:45
standpoint
12:45
of,
12:46
like,
12:46
there's
12:46
nothing
12:47
for
12:47
me
12:47
to
12:47
do
12:47
right
12:48
now.
12:48
My
12:48
job
12:49
is
12:49
to
12:49
stay
12:49
stable,
12:50
stay
12:50
whole,
12:51
and
12:51
be
12:51
ready
12:52
to
12:52
act
12:52
when
12:53
needed.
12:54
And
12:55
that
12:55
was
12:55
really
12:56
interesting
12:56
to
12:56
kind
12:57
of
12:57
think
12:57
about
12:58
that,
12:58
because
12:58
otherwise,
12:58
I'm
12:59
in
12:59
it
12:59
with
12:59
him,
13:00
right?
13:00
And
13:00
I'm
13:01
on
13:01
the
13:01
roller
13:01
coaster
13:02
with
13:02
him,
13:02
and
13:02
that
13:03
doesn't
13:03
help
13:03
him.
13:04
And
13:04
it's
13:04
actually.
13:05
I
13:05
was
13:05
sort
13:05
of
13:05
realizing,
13:06
too,
13:06
I
13:06
said,
13:06
you
13:07
know,
13:07
during
13:07
my
13:08
session,
13:08
I
13:08
was
13:08
like,
13:09
so
13:09
it's
13:09
actually
13:09
kind
13:10
of
13:10
selfish,
13:10
huh?
13:11
If
13:11
I'm.
13:12
If
13:12
I'm
13:12
going
13:13
on
13:13
the
13:13
roller
13:13
coaster,
13:15
then
13:15
it
13:15
becomes
13:16
about
13:16
me
13:17
and
13:17
my
13:18
anxiety
13:18
around
13:19
this
13:19
as
13:19
opposed
13:19
to
13:19
about
13:20
him.
13:20
So
13:20
it's
13:20
like,
13:21
if
13:21
I
13:21
can
13:21
stay
13:22
compassionate
13:22
but
13:23
not
13:23
fully
13:24
empathize,
13:24
then
13:25
I
13:25
can
13:27
be
13:27
ready
13:28
and
13:28
stay.
13:29
Stay
13:29
ready.
13:29
So
13:30
I
13:30
don't
13:30
know.
13:31
I'm
13:31
working
13:31
on
13:31
it.
13:32
We'll
13:32
see.
13:32
It's
13:32
tough.
13:33
It's
13:33
an
13:33
interesting.
13:33
It's
13:33
interesting.
13:34
It's
13:34
definitely
13:35
very
13:36
interesting.
13:37
It's
13:37
really.
13:38
What
13:38
do
13:39
you
13:39
mean?
13:39
It's
13:39
so
13:39
fascinating?
13:40
No,
13:40
I
13:40
just.
13:41
It's.
13:41
It's
13:41
fascinating.
13:43
I'm
13:44
just.
13:44
I'm
13:44
sorry.
13:44
I
13:44
was
13:45
picturing
13:45
a
13:45
roller
13:45
coaster,
13:45
and
13:46
then
13:46
I
13:46
got
13:46
distracted
13:46
in
13:47
my
13:47
own
13:47
thoughts.
13:51
It's
13:51
like,
13:52
I
13:52
do.
13:52
I
13:52
sort
13:53
of
13:53
know
13:53
your
13:53
tells,
13:54
you
13:54
know,
13:54
after
13:54
all
13:54
these
13:55
years,
13:55
it's
13:55
obviously
13:56
sisters,
13:56
but
13:57
she's
13:58
like,
13:58
well,
13:58
I
13:58
had.
13:58
A
13:58
spot
13:59
in
13:59
my
13:59
mind
13:59
two
13:59
to
13:59
three
13:59
times.
14:00
When
14:00
she
14:00
does
14:01
it
14:01
says
14:01
it
14:01
two
14:01
to
14:01
three
14:02
times.
14:02
Well,
14:02
it's
14:02
just
14:02
fascinating.
14:03
It's
14:03
fascinating.
14:04
It's
14:04
almost
14:04
like
14:05
she's
14:05
trying
14:05
to
14:05
figure
14:05
out
14:05
where
14:06
she's
14:06
at.
14:07
I'm
14:07
hoping.
14:07
Yeah,
14:08
I'm
14:08
hoping
14:08
if,
14:08
like,
14:08
it'll.
14:09
Like,
14:09
I
14:09
had
14:09
something
14:09
I
14:10
was
14:10
gonna
14:10
say,
14:10
and
14:10
Then
14:11
I
14:11
was,
14:11
like,
14:11
waiting
14:12
for
14:12
you
14:12
to
14:12
finish,
14:12
and
14:12
I
14:13
was
14:13
like.
14:13
And
14:13
then
14:13
I
14:13
forgot.
14:13
And
14:14
then
14:14
I
14:14
heard
14:14
roller
14:14
coaster.
14:14
And
14:15
I
14:15
was
14:15
like,
14:15
there's
14:16
roller
14:16
coaster.
14:20
I
14:20
love
14:21
it
14:21
so
14:21
much.
14:23
It's
14:24
a
14:24
hot
14:24
mess
14:24
over
14:24
here.
14:25
Don't
14:25
mind
14:25
me.
14:26
No,
14:26
no,
14:26
you're
14:27
all
14:27
good.
14:27
You're
14:27
all
14:27
good.
14:28
So.
14:29
Yeah.
14:29
So
14:29
you.
14:30
You
14:30
were
14:30
thinking
14:30
maybe
14:31
that.
14:31
Well,
14:31
who
14:31
knows
14:32
what
14:32
you
14:32
were
14:32
thinking?
14:32
Yeah,
14:32
I
14:32
couldn't
14:33
even
14:33
guess
14:33
what
14:33
you
14:33
were
14:33
thinking.
14:34
But
14:34
maybe
14:35
I
14:35
don't.
14:36
I
14:36
don't
14:36
know.
14:37
Like,
14:37
it's
14:37
like
14:37
when.
14:38
When
14:38
you
14:38
say
14:38
things
14:38
like,
14:39
then
14:39
I
14:39
remember.
14:39
It's
14:40
like,
14:40
you
14:40
know,
14:40
I
14:40
remember
14:41
stuff.
14:41
Like
14:41
once,
14:41
like,
14:42
certain
14:42
words,
14:42
I
14:43
realized
14:43
certain
14:43
words
14:43
trigger
14:45
the
14:46
thoughts
14:46
in
14:46
my
14:46
head,
14:47
and
14:48
then
14:49
they
14:49
just
14:49
flitter
14:50
away,
14:50
float
14:50
away.
14:51
I'm
14:52
a
14:52
creative
14:52
type,
14:53
Michelle.
14:55
I
14:55
love
14:55
it.
14:58
I
14:58
was
14:58
saying
14:58
to
14:59
you,
14:59
though,
14:59
that
15:01
this
15:01
idea
15:01
of
15:02
it
15:02
being
15:02
a
15:02
little
15:02
selfish,
15:03
if
15:03
I'm
15:04
the
15:04
one
15:04
who's
15:05
on,
15:05
like,
15:05
that's
15:07
empathizing,
15:07
and
15:08
I'm
15:08
not
15:08
keeping
15:09
my
15:09
own
15:09
emotions
15:10
right
15:10
regulated
15:11
that,
15:11
you
15:12
know,
15:12
then
15:12
it's
15:12
actually
15:13
not
15:13
focusing
15:14
on
15:14
the
15:14
other
15:14
person.
15:15
Like,
15:15
you're
15:15
wanting
15:16
to
15:16
be
15:17
focused
15:18
on
15:18
them.
15:19
Right,
15:20
is
15:20
what
15:20
I
15:20
say
15:20
to
15:21
myself.
15:21
But
15:22
then
15:22
I'm
15:23
allowing
15:24
myself
15:24
to
15:24
just
15:25
let
15:25
this
15:25
anxiety,
15:26
you
15:26
know,
15:27
go,
15:27
go,
15:27
go,
15:27
or
15:28
whatever
15:28
it
15:28
is.
15:29
And
15:29
sometimes
15:29
it's
15:29
not
15:30
allowing.
15:30
It's
15:30
just,
15:30
you
15:31
know,
15:31
it's.
15:31
It's
15:32
whatever's
15:33
ingrained
15:33
in
15:34
me,
15:34
I
15:34
think,
15:34
sometimes.
15:35
But
15:35
this
15:35
idea
15:35
that
15:36
if
15:36
I
15:36
can
15:36
work
15:36
on
15:37
that,
15:37
that.
15:37
That
15:37
I'm.
15:38
I'm
15:38
staying
15:38
present
15:39
and
15:39
not
15:39
getting
15:40
spinny
15:40
about
15:41
stuff.
15:42
I
15:42
wonder
15:42
if
15:42
that,
15:42
like,
15:43
the
15:43
idea
15:44
of,
15:44
like,
15:44
that
15:44
selfishness
15:45
is
15:45
maybe,
15:46
like,
15:46
why.
15:48
I
15:48
might
15:48
tell
15:48
Brian,
15:49
like,
15:49
I'm
15:49
saying
15:50
something
15:50
to
15:50
him,
15:50
and
15:50
he's
15:51
like,
15:51
maybe
15:51
he's
15:52
going
15:52
down
15:52
the
15:52
same
15:52
rabbit
15:52
hole
15:53
or
15:53
whatever,
15:53
and.
15:54
Or
15:54
he's
15:54
empathizing.
15:55
But
15:55
then
15:55
it's
15:55
like,
15:55
it
15:56
all
15:56
becomes
15:56
about
15:56
him,
15:56
and
15:57
I'm
15:57
like,
15:57
why
15:57
does
15:57
it
15:57
always
15:58
come
15:58
back
15:58
to
15:58
you?
15:59
And
15:59
it's
15:59
like,
15:59
I
16:00
just.
16:00
You
16:00
know,
16:00
maybe
16:00
it's
16:01
just
16:01
like,
16:01
me
16:01
wanting
16:01
to
16:01
have
16:02
compassion
16:02
in
16:02
that
16:03
moment
16:03
or
16:03
vice
16:04
versa.
16:04
Like,
16:04
me
16:04
needed
16:05
to
16:05
also
16:05
just
16:05
give
16:05
compassion
16:06
and
16:06
not
16:06
have
16:06
it
16:07
be
16:07
about
16:07
any.
16:08
You
16:08
know,
16:09
our
16:09
therapist
16:09
says,
16:10
like,
16:12
you
16:12
say
16:12
the
16:12
story
16:13
I'm
16:13
telling
16:13
myself
16:15
and,.
16:15
Like,
16:16
yeah,
16:17
like,
16:17
the
16:17
story
16:17
I'm
16:18
telling
16:18
myself.
16:18
Is
16:18
this
16:19
to
16:20
explain
16:20
where
16:20
you're
16:20
at?
16:21
Yeah.
16:22
So
16:22
then
16:22
it's
16:22
like,
16:23
less.
16:23
It's
16:23
less
16:23
of,
16:24
like,
16:24
a
16:26
spirally.
16:27
Like
16:27
you're
16:28
just
16:28
saying,
16:28
hey,
16:28
the
16:28
story
16:28
I'm
16:29
telling
16:29
myself.
16:29
And
16:29
it's
16:29
like.
16:29
But
16:30
I
16:30
don't
16:30
know
16:30
if
16:30
that's
16:30
true
16:30
or
16:31
Not.
16:31
And
16:31
then
16:31
they
16:31
can
16:31
be
16:31
like,
16:32
oh,
16:32
yeah,
16:32
that's
16:32
not
16:32
true.
16:33
As
16:33
opposed
16:34
to
16:34
like,
16:34
assuming
16:35
we
16:35
know
16:35
what
16:36
the
16:36
other
16:36
person's
16:36
thinking
16:37
or
16:37
what
16:37
they're
16:37
gonna
16:38
do
16:38
or,
16:39
you
16:39
know,
16:40
whatever
16:40
it
16:40
is.
16:42
And
16:42
that
16:42
might
16:42
be
16:42
a
16:43
good
16:43
way
16:43
too,
16:43
to
16:44
kind
16:44
of
16:45
allow
16:46
yourself
16:46
to
16:46
be
16:46
compassionate
16:47
with
16:47
the
16:48
other
16:48
person,
16:49
but
16:49
not
16:50
making
16:50
it
16:50
about,
16:50
you
16:51
know,
16:51
make
16:51
it
16:51
a
16:51
little
16:51
bit
16:51
about
16:52
you,
16:52
but
16:52
also
16:53
not
16:53
keep
16:54
it
16:54
there
16:54
very
16:55
long.
16:55
You
16:55
can't
16:55
just
16:55
like,
16:56
you
16:56
know,
16:56
take
16:56
out
16:57
your
16:57
whole,
16:57
you're
16:57
not
16:57
a
16:57
robot,
16:58
you're
16:58
gonna
16:58
have
16:58
no
16:59
anxieties.
17:02
And
17:02
like,
17:02
if
17:02
you
17:02
say
17:02
like,
17:03
that's.
17:03
I
17:03
mean,
17:03
we've
17:03
noticed,
17:04
like
17:04
with
17:04
he
17:04
and
17:04
I,
17:04
like,
17:04
if
17:05
we
17:05
say
17:05
like,
17:05
the
17:05
story
17:05
I'm
17:05
telling
17:06
myself,
17:06
it
17:06
actually
17:07
does
17:07
help
17:07
because
17:07
it's
17:08
like,
17:08
okay,
17:09
that's
17:09
the
17:09
story
17:09
you're
17:09
telling
17:09
yourself.
17:10
Okay,
17:10
let
17:10
me
17:10
tell
17:10
you
17:10
what
17:11
my
17:11
story
17:11
is.
17:11
Like,
17:12
let
17:12
me
17:12
tell
17:12
you
17:12
what
17:12
my
17:12
reality
17:13
is,
17:13
or,
17:13
you
17:14
know,
17:14
let
17:15
me
17:15
tell
17:15
you
17:15
what's
17:15
actually
17:15
happening
17:16
for
17:16
me,.
17:16
Because
17:17
it
17:17
throws
17:17
it
17:17
back
17:17
to
17:17
the
17:18
other
17:18
person
17:18
and
17:18
makes
17:18
it
17:18
about
17:19
them
17:19
again.
17:20
Yeah.
17:21
Yeah,
17:22
that's
17:22
interesting.
17:23
I
17:23
like
17:23
that
17:23
idea.
17:24
I
17:25
should,
17:25
I
17:25
should
17:26
try
17:26
to
17:26
try
17:26
that
17:27
with
17:27
Josh,
17:27
actually,
17:27
for
17:28
a
17:28
minute
17:28
and
17:28
see
17:28
how
17:29
that
17:29
goes.
17:30
Yeah,
17:30
like,
17:30
the
17:31
story
17:31
I'm
17:31
telling
17:31
myself
17:32
is,
17:33
you
17:33
know,
17:33
if
17:33
you
17:33
don't
17:34
do
17:34
this,
17:34
then
17:34
this
17:34
is
17:34
what's
17:35
going
17:35
to
17:35
happen,
17:35
you
17:36
know?
17:36
Yeah,
17:37
I
17:37
think
17:37
I
17:38
did
17:38
a
17:38
little
17:38
bit
17:38
of
17:38
that,
17:38
but
17:38
I
17:39
did
17:39
say
17:39
it
17:39
in
17:39
that
17:39
exact
17:40
way.
17:40
I
17:40
was
17:40
like,
17:40
I
17:40
just
17:41
need
17:41
you
17:41
to
17:41
know
17:41
I'm
17:41
hearing
17:42
all
17:42
this
17:42
stuff,
17:43
you
17:43
know,
17:43
at
17:44
our
17:44
university
17:45
and
17:46
things
17:46
have
17:46
changed
17:47
a
17:47
lot
17:47
to
17:48
the
17:48
point
17:48
that
17:48
even
17:49
people
17:49
who've
17:49
worked
17:49
there
17:49
for
17:50
25
17:50
years
17:50
don't
17:51
know
17:51
exactly
17:52
what
17:52
the
17:52
processes
17:53
are
17:54
right
17:54
now,
17:54
which
17:54
is
17:54
just
17:55
wild.
17:55
But
17:56
he's
17:57
going
17:57
to
17:58
that
17:58
university,
17:58
and
17:58
so
17:58
I'm
17:59
like,
17:59
so
17:59
what
17:59
my
17:59
understanding
18:00
is
18:00
is
18:00
this
18:01
and
18:01
this.
18:02
And
18:02
so
18:02
that's
18:03
why
18:03
I'm
18:03
concerned.
18:03
And
18:04
then
18:04
he
18:04
kind
18:04
of
18:05
like
18:05
took
18:05
it
18:05
down
18:05
a
18:05
notch
18:06
and
18:06
he's
18:06
like,
18:06
oh,
18:06
okay.
18:07
So
18:07
I.
18:08
Okay,
18:08
I
18:08
see
18:08
why
18:08
you're
18:09
having
18:09
a
18:09
little
18:10
freak
18:10
out
18:10
moment
18:10
or
18:11
whatever
18:11
it
18:11
is.
18:11
But
18:12
yeah,
18:13
yeah.
18:13
Anyway,
18:14
it
18:14
was
18:14
just
18:14
an
18:14
interesting
18:15
compassion
18:15
versus
18:16
empathy.
18:16
So
18:16
I'm
18:16
gonna
18:16
have
18:17
to
18:17
think
18:17
on
18:17
that
18:17
some
18:17
more.
18:17
But
18:17
I
18:18
just
18:18
thought
18:18
I'd
18:18
bring
18:18
it
18:18
up
18:18
and
18:19
see
18:20
how
18:20
you
18:20
would
18:21
take
18:21
it.
18:22
Yeah,
18:23
I
18:23
mean,
18:23
I
18:23
think
18:24
that
18:24
there's.
18:24
It's.
18:25
I
18:25
didn't
18:25
think
18:25
that
18:27
empathizing
18:29
was
18:29
a
18:30
bad
18:30
thing.
18:32
I
18:33
would
18:33
have
18:33
said,
18:33
like,
18:33
that's
18:34
our
18:34
whole
18:34
goal,
18:35
is
18:35
to
18:35
be
18:35
empathetic
18:36
to
18:36
other
18:36
people.
18:37
Yeah,
18:39
like,
18:39
it's,
18:40
it's
18:41
interesting
18:41
because
18:41
like
18:42
there
18:42
is,
18:42
there
18:42
is
18:43
empathy
18:43
needed.
18:45
You
18:45
have
18:45
to
18:46
be
18:46
able
18:46
to
18:46
have
18:47
some
18:47
sort
18:47
of
18:47
empathy
18:48
in
18:48
order
18:48
to
18:48
be
18:48
compassionate.
18:49
So
18:50
maybe
18:50
like
18:50
the,
18:51
maybe
18:51
the.
18:53
If
18:53
we're
18:53
gonna
18:53
parse
18:54
out
18:54
the
18:54
words
18:56
it
18:57
that
18:58
like
18:58
you're
18:59
in
18:59
an
18:59
empathetic
19:00
state
19:01
but
19:01
you're
19:01
not
19:02
like
19:02
in
19:03
empathizing
19:04
fully.
19:04
Like
19:04
what
19:04
is
19:05
actually
19:05
empathizing?
19:05
Let's
19:06
like.
19:06
I
19:06
know,
19:06
I
19:07
feel
19:07
like
19:07
I
19:07
need
19:07
to
19:07
look
19:07
it
19:07
up
19:08
too.
19:09
Empathy
19:11
definition,
19:13
the
19:13
ability
19:13
to
19:14
understand
19:14
and
19:14
share
19:15
and
19:15
share
19:16
the
19:16
feelings,
19:17
thoughts
19:17
and
19:17
experience
19:17
another
19:18
person.
19:18
It's
19:19
the
19:19
sharing,
19:19
sharing.
19:20
Putting
19:20
yourself
19:21
in
19:21
someone
19:21
else's
19:22
shoes.
19:23
Yeah.
19:23
So
19:23
like
19:23
it
19:24
allows
19:24
you
19:24
to
19:25
view
19:25
the
19:25
world
19:25
through
19:25
someone
19:26
else's
19:26
eyes
19:26
while
19:26
maintaining
19:27
an
19:27
emotional
19:28
connection.
19:30
So
19:30
like,
19:31
I
19:31
mean,
19:31
I
19:31
think
19:31
this
19:31
is
19:32
like
19:32
why.
19:32
It's
19:32
just,
19:32
it's
19:33
just
19:33
so.
19:33
It's
19:34
like,
19:34
it's
19:34
like
19:34
splitting
19:35
hairs,
19:35
you
19:36
know?
19:37
But
19:37
what's
19:37
compassion
19:38
though?
19:41
Let's
19:41
see,
19:41
what's
19:42
compassion,
19:44
please?
19:45
Compassion
19:46
definition.
19:47
Okay.
19:48
The
19:48
emotional
19:49
response
19:49
of
19:49
recognizing
19:50
another
19:51
suffering
19:51
or
19:51
distress
19:51
and
19:52
feeling
19:52
a
19:52
deep
19:53
desire
19:53
to
19:53
alleviate
19:54
it.
19:54
I
19:54
think
19:54
she
19:55
got
19:55
him
19:55
switched
19:55
around.
19:56
You
19:56
think
19:57
so?
19:57
I
19:58
think
19:58
she.
19:58
Yeah,
19:58
because
19:59
like
19:59
I
19:59
feel
19:59
like
19:59
empathy
20:00
is
20:00
like
20:00
the
20:00
thing
20:00
that
20:01
you
20:01
want
20:01
and
20:01
then
20:01
compassion
20:02
is
20:02
like.
20:04
And
20:04
feeling
20:04
a
20:04
deep
20:05
desire
20:05
to
20:06
alleviate
20:07
goes
20:07
beyond.
20:08
That's
20:08
the
20:08
problem.
20:08
Emotionally
20:09
motivating
20:10
part.
20:11
An
20:11
active
20:12
warmed
20:12
heart.
20:13
A
20:13
warmed
20:14
hearted
20:14
and
20:15
supportive
20:15
effort
20:16
to
20:16
help.
20:16
Yeah,
20:16
yeah.
20:18
Connect.
20:19
So
20:19
like
20:19
the
20:19
key
20:19
characteristics
20:20
of
20:20
compassion
20:21
is
20:21
like
20:21
recognition,
20:22
connection,
20:22
which
20:23
is,
20:23
and
20:23
they
20:23
put
20:24
it
20:24
in
20:24
quotes,
20:25
suffering
20:25
with
20:25
another
20:26
person.
20:27
I
20:27
maybe
20:28
just
20:28
got
20:28
it
20:28
backwards.
20:29
Okay.
20:29
Because
20:29
I
20:29
was
20:29
like,
20:29
I
20:29
always
20:30
heard
20:30
like
20:30
empathy
20:31
is
20:31
like
20:31
the
20:31
most
20:32
important.
20:32
Okay.
20:33
I
20:33
should
20:33
have
20:33
looked
20:33
it
20:33
up
20:33
before
20:33
we
20:34
talked,
20:34
but
20:35
anyway
20:35
it's
20:35
fine.
20:36
But
20:36
the
20:36
concept
20:36
of
20:37
like
20:37
differentiating
20:38
that
20:38
though
20:39
to
20:39
be
20:39
empathetic
20:40
but
20:40
not
20:40
to
20:40
have
20:41
like
20:41
this
20:41
compassion,
20:42
I
20:42
guess
20:42
is
20:42
how
20:43
I
20:43
should
20:43
say
20:43
it
20:43
now.
20:45
That
20:45
is
20:47
excessive.
20:48
Right?
20:48
It's
20:49
like
20:49
the
20:49
excessive
20:50
compassion
20:50
for
20:51
me
20:51
is
20:51
the
20:51
part
20:52
where
20:52
I'm
20:52
like,
20:53
oh
20:53
my
20:53
gosh,
20:54
you
20:54
know,
20:54
I
20:54
can't
20:56
keep
20:56
doing
20:57
that.
20:57
Right.
20:58
It's.
20:58
It's
20:59
because
20:59
then
20:59
I'm
21:00
not
21:00
okay
21:01
if.
21:01
If
21:01
that
21:02
is
21:02
the
21:02
an.
21:02
You
21:03
know,
21:03
it
21:03
usually
21:03
leads
21:04
to
21:04
me
21:04
being
21:05
overwhelmed
21:06
or
21:07
you
21:07
know.
21:08
Yeah,
21:08
because
21:08
you're
21:08
trying
21:08
to
21:08
figure
21:09
out
21:09
how
21:09
to.
21:09
Your.
21:10
You're
21:10
trying
21:10
to
21:10
figure
21:11
out
21:11
how
21:11
you're
21:11
going
21:11
to
21:11
do
21:11
it.
21:11
Like
21:12
how
21:12
you're
21:12
going
21:12
to
21:12
fix
21:12
it
21:13
if
21:14
like
21:14
you're
21:14
being
21:14
compassionate.
21:15
Yeah.
21:15
You're
21:15
like
21:15
trying
21:16
to.
21:16
You're
21:16
like,
21:16
oh
21:16
my
21:17
gosh,
21:17
like,
21:17
this
21:17
is
21:17
terrible.
21:18
I
21:18
want
21:18
to
21:18
be
21:18
compassionate
21:19
to
21:19
you.
21:19
And
21:19
like
21:19
in
21:20
order
21:20
for
21:20
me
21:20
to
21:20
be
21:20
compassionate,
21:21
I
21:21
have
21:21
to
21:21
fix
21:21
it
21:22
and
21:22
I
21:22
Don't
21:22
know
21:22
how
21:22
to
21:22
fix
21:22
it.
21:23
This
21:23
is.
21:24
Whereas,
21:24
like,
21:24
if
21:24
it's
21:24
empathetic,
21:25
it's
21:25
like,
21:25
man,
21:25
yeah.
21:26
That
21:26
I'm
21:26
empathizing.
21:27
This.
21:27
This
21:27
does
21:27
really
21:28
suck.
21:29
Yes.
21:30
Versus
21:31
sympathy,
21:32
which
21:32
is
21:32
like.
21:32
Which
21:33
is
21:33
like
21:33
pity,
21:33
you
21:34
know,
21:34
it's
21:34
like,
21:34
I
21:34
sympathize.
21:36
I
21:36
don't
21:36
like.
21:37
I
21:37
don't
21:37
like
21:37
sympathy
21:38
from
21:38
people
21:39
personally.
21:39
I
21:40
enjoy
21:40
getting
21:40
it.
21:41
And
21:42
I
21:42
don't
21:42
like
21:42
it
21:42
either
21:42
because
21:42
I
21:43
feel
21:43
like
21:43
it's
21:43
judgmental
21:44
a
21:44
little
21:44
bit.
21:45
Yeah.
21:45
It's
21:45
got
21:45
a
21:45
little
21:45
bit
21:46
judgment
21:46
to
21:46
it.
21:46
Yeah.
21:47
Sometimes
21:48
I.
21:49
I
21:49
don't
21:49
know.
21:49
It's
21:50
reminding
21:50
me.
21:50
Okay,
21:50
so
21:50
this
21:50
whole
21:51
thing
21:51
was
21:51
completely
21:52
backwards.
21:52
And
21:52
that's
21:52
why
21:52
I
21:52
was
21:53
struggling
21:53
with
21:53
it,
21:53
I
21:53
think,
21:54
because
21:54
I'm
21:54
like.
21:54
But
21:55
this
21:55
is
21:55
what.
21:56
Oh,
21:57
I
21:57
know
21:57
what
21:57
I
21:57
mean.
21:58
Honestly.
21:58
Yeah,
21:59
I'm
21:59
gonna
21:59
have
21:59
to
21:59
go
21:59
talk
21:59
to
22:00
her
22:00
and
22:00
be
22:00
like,
22:00
I
22:00
think
22:00
you
22:00
got
22:00
your
22:01
words
22:01
confused.
22:03
I
22:03
do
22:04
not
22:04
think
22:04
that
22:04
you
22:04
think.
22:05
You
22:05
keep
22:05
using
22:05
that
22:06
word.
22:06
I
22:06
do
22:06
not
22:06
think
22:06
it
22:06
means
22:06
what
22:07
you
22:07
think
22:07
it
22:07
means.
22:07
It
22:07
means
22:07
what
22:07
you
22:08
think
22:08
it
22:08
means.
22:08
Michelle.
22:09
I
22:09
was
22:09
just.
22:09
I
22:10
was
22:10
just
22:10
listening
22:11
to
22:11
this,
22:11
like,
22:12
this
22:12
deep
22:12
dive
22:13
this
22:13
woman
22:13
has
22:14
about
22:14
Britney
22:15
Spears
22:16
and
22:17
how
22:18
the
22:18
media
22:19
has,
22:19
like,
22:20
conditioned
22:20
us
22:21
to,
22:23
like,
22:23
feel
22:24
sympathy
22:24
for
22:24
her
22:25
and
22:25
like.
22:25
And
22:25
feel
22:26
like,
22:26
want
22:26
compassion
22:27
in
22:27
order
22:27
to,
22:28
like,
22:28
keep
22:28
her
22:28
locked
22:29
up.
22:30
And
22:30
she
22:31
goes
22:31
through
22:31
this
22:31
whole
22:32
deep
22:32
dive
22:32
of,
22:32
like,
22:33
how
22:34
Britney
22:35
Spears,
22:35
in
22:35
the
22:35
very
22:35
beginning
22:36
of
22:36
her
22:36
career
22:37
or
22:37
like,
22:37
you
22:37
know,
22:37
she's
22:37
like.
22:38
She
22:38
went.
22:38
Before
22:38
the
22:39
conservatorship
22:40
happened,
22:40
she
22:42
transferred
22:42
all
22:42
of
22:43
her
22:43
assets
22:44
to
22:44
a
22:44
trust
22:46
away
22:46
from
22:46
all
22:46
the
22:47
financial
22:47
people
22:47
because
22:47
she
22:47
knew
22:48
that
22:48
there
22:48
was
22:48
people
22:48
who
22:48
were
22:49
mucking
22:49
with
22:49
her
22:49
business
22:50
at
22:51
her
22:51
fairs.
22:51
And
22:52
so
22:52
then.
22:52
And
22:53
she
22:53
starts,
22:53
like,
22:53
wanting
22:54
to
22:54
get
22:54
a
22:54
new
22:54
management
22:54
team
22:55
and
22:55
all
22:55
this
22:55
stuff.
22:56
And
22:56
so
22:56
the
22:57
old
22:57
management
22:57
team
22:58
and
22:58
her
22:58
family,
22:59
who
22:59
are
22:59
all
22:59
part
23:00
of
23:00
that
23:00
team,
23:01
start
23:01
putting
23:01
these,
23:02
like,
23:02
anonymous
23:03
sources
23:03
saying
23:04
in
23:04
the
23:05
press.
23:05
Like,
23:05
anonymous
23:06
sources
23:06
say,
23:06
like,
23:07
they're
23:07
worried
23:07
about
23:07
Britney.
23:08
They're,
23:08
you
23:08
know,
23:09
they're.
23:09
They're
23:09
scared
23:09
for
23:10
her.
23:10
Like,
23:10
all
23:10
these,
23:10
like,
23:11
there's
23:11
concern.
23:13
And
23:13
so
23:13
it
23:13
conditioned
23:14
us
23:14
to
23:15
feel
23:15
sympathetic
23:16
and,
23:16
you
23:16
know,
23:16
and
23:17
compassionate
23:17
for
23:18
her.
23:19
And
23:19
then
23:20
when.
23:20
When,
23:21
you
23:21
know,
23:21
when
23:22
she
23:22
was
23:22
pushed
23:22
to
23:22
the
23:22
breaking
23:23
point,
23:23
it's
23:23
like,
23:24
ah.
23:24
And
23:24
now
23:24
we
23:24
need
23:25
to
23:25
do
23:25
something
23:25
about
23:26
it.
23:27
And
23:27
because
23:28
it's
23:28
interesting
23:28
that
23:28
there's,
23:29
like,
23:29
she
23:29
brings
23:29
this
23:29
up
23:29
because,
23:30
like,
23:30
there's.
23:30
There's
23:30
actually
23:30
a
23:31
new
23:31
narrative
23:31
of
23:31
her
23:31
again,
23:32
like,
23:32
having
23:32
a
23:33
DUI
23:33
recently.
23:33
And
23:34
actually
23:34
she
23:34
wasn't.
23:35
There
23:35
was
23:35
no.
23:36
Like,
23:36
she
23:36
was.
23:36
She
23:37
was
23:37
arrested
23:38
under
23:38
the
23:39
suspect
23:40
suspicion
23:40
of
23:40
being
23:41
of.
23:41
Of
23:41
being
23:42
drunk.
23:43
And
23:43
she
23:44
wasn't
23:44
drunk,
23:44
but.
23:45
But
23:45
yet
23:45
all
23:45
of
23:46
the
23:46
media
23:46
coverage
23:47
was
23:47
that
23:47
she
23:48
got
23:48
arrested
23:48
for
23:48
a
23:48
dui.
23:50
And
23:51
she's
23:51
like.
23:51
And
23:51
so
23:52
it's
23:52
like.
23:52
It's
23:52
like
23:52
this
23:52
whole
23:52
cycle
23:53
again,
23:53
like,
23:53
of
23:53
her
23:54
trying,
23:54
like.
23:54
And
23:54
how
23:54
many
23:54
people
23:55
have
23:55
had
23:55
DUIs
23:56
or
23:56
how
23:56
many
23:56
people
23:56
have
23:56
been,
23:57
like,
23:57
suggestive
23:57
in
23:57
how
23:58
they,
23:58
you
23:58
know,
23:59
they
23:59
dance
23:59
or
24:00
whatever.
24:00
And,
24:00
like,
24:00
no
24:00
one's
24:01
ever
24:01
been
24:01
like,
24:01
hey,
24:01
let's
24:02
put
24:02
them
24:02
under
24:02
conservatorship.
24:03
But
24:03
this,
24:03
like,
24:03
specific
24:04
family
24:04
is,
24:04
like,
24:05
trying
24:05
to
24:05
keep.
24:05
It's
24:06
just
24:06
fascinating.
24:06
I'm
24:07
sorry.
24:07
I
24:07
don't
24:07
know
24:07
why.
24:08
I
24:08
don't
24:08
really.
24:08
I
24:09
don't
24:09
really
24:09
get
24:09
it.
24:10
Okay.
24:10
So,
24:10
like,
24:10
I.
24:11
I
24:11
don't
24:12
know
24:12
much
24:12
about
24:12
her,
24:12
obviously.
24:13
I'm
24:13
not
24:13
a
24:14
big,
24:16
like,
24:16
pop
24:16
culture
24:17
person,
24:17
but
24:18
I.
24:18
I
24:18
mean,
24:18
I
24:18
know
24:19
enough.
24:19
Like,
24:19
I
24:19
know
24:19
I've.
24:20
I
24:20
know
24:20
who
24:20
she
24:20
is.
24:21
And
24:21
it's.
24:21
She's
24:21
like
24:21
the
24:22
singer
24:22
that.
24:23
That,
24:24
like,
24:24
shaved
24:24
her
24:24
head
24:25
or
24:25
something,
24:25
right?
24:26
Yeah,
24:26
at
24:26
one
24:26
point.
24:27
Okay.
24:27
Yeah.
24:28
I've
24:28
never.
24:29
I've
24:30
always
24:30
just
24:30
felt
24:30
like
24:31
she
24:31
had
24:33
a
24:33
spectacularly
24:35
difficult
24:36
life.
24:36
Right.
24:37
Like,
24:37
in
24:38
many
24:38
ways.
24:38
And.
24:39
And
24:39
I
24:39
would
24:39
imagine
24:40
just
24:40
like,
24:40
you
24:41
know,
24:41
Judy
24:41
Garland
24:42
and
24:42
all
24:42
these
24:42
young
24:42
stars,
24:43
they
24:43
put
24:44
them
24:44
on
24:44
uppers
24:44
and
24:45
downers
24:45
and
24:45
all
24:45
these
24:46
things
24:46
to
24:46
keep
24:46
them
24:47
going
24:48
because
24:48
their
24:48
schedules
24:49
are
24:49
insane.
24:49
Right.
24:51
And
24:51
that's
24:52
just
24:52
a
24:52
guess,
24:52
Right.
24:53
I'm
24:53
guessing
24:53
she
24:53
was,
24:53
like,
24:54
early
24:54
doped
24:55
to
24:55
do
24:55
things,
24:56
not
24:56
even
24:56
understanding
24:57
that
24:57
that's
24:57
what
24:57
that
24:57
was.
24:58
She
24:58
didn't
24:58
have
24:59
a
24:59
fully
24:59
fronted.
25:00
You
25:00
know,
25:00
like,
25:01
their
25:02
frontal
25:02
cortex
25:02
is
25:03
not
25:03
fully
25:03
formed
25:03
till
25:04
25.
25:04
She
25:04
didn't
25:04
even
25:05
have.
25:05
Like,
25:05
most
25:06
child
25:06
stars
25:07
don't
25:07
have
25:07
that
25:07
ability
25:08
to
25:08
have
25:08
that
25:09
time
25:09
to
25:09
think
25:10
about
25:10
things.
25:11
But
25:11
I
25:11
didn't
25:11
ever
25:12
feel
25:13
like.
25:15
I
25:15
don't
25:15
know,
25:15
that
25:16
she
25:16
was.
25:17
I
25:17
always
25:17
thought
25:17
she
25:17
was
25:18
strong.
25:19
Yeah.
25:19
Right.
25:19
Like,
25:20
she
25:20
is
25:20
an
25:20
incredibly
25:21
strong
25:22
person.
25:22
So
25:22
I
25:22
just
25:23
would
25:23
think
25:23
that
25:23
there's
25:24
this,
25:24
like,
25:24
ton
25:24
of
25:24
bricks
25:25
coming
25:25
down
25:25
on
25:25
her.
25:26
And
25:26
she's
25:27
not
25:27
very
25:27
well
25:27
educated,
25:28
it
25:28
would
25:28
seem
25:28
to
25:28
me.
25:29
So
25:29
she
25:29
wouldn't
25:29
necessarily
25:30
have,
25:31
you
25:31
know,
25:31
like,
25:31
what's
25:32
her
25:32
reading
25:32
level?
25:33
You
25:33
know
25:33
what
25:33
I
25:33
mean?
25:33
When
25:34
I.
25:34
Or
25:34
whatever.
25:35
Like,
25:35
I
25:35
just
25:35
would
25:35
think,
25:35
like,
25:36
she's.
25:36
And
25:36
that's
25:36
not
25:36
to
25:37
be,
25:37
like,
25:37
rude
25:37
like
25:37
you.
25:38
You
25:38
can't
25:38
be
25:38
smart
25:38
without
25:39
being
25:39
educated.
25:39
But,
25:39
like,
25:40
I
25:40
feel
25:40
like
25:40
she
25:40
specifically
25:41
wasn't
25:43
somebody
25:43
who.
25:44
When
25:44
she
25:45
spoke
25:45
anyway,
25:45
she.
25:46
You
25:46
know,
25:46
maybe
25:46
it's
25:46
an
25:47
act.
25:47
Right?
25:47
I
25:48
don't
25:48
know.
25:48
But,
25:48
like,
25:48
she
25:48
didn't
25:49
seem
25:49
like
25:49
she
25:49
had
25:50
been
25:50
given
25:50
many
25:51
opportunities
25:51
to
25:52
study
25:52
or
25:52
learn
25:52
about
25:53
the
25:53
world
25:53
other
25:53
than
25:54
her
25:54
very
25:55
specific
25:55
world.
25:57
And
25:57
so.
25:58
But
25:58
I
25:58
Don't.
25:58
I
25:58
don't
25:59
feel
25:59
anything
25:59
for
26:00
her
26:00
specifically.
26:01
So,
26:01
like,
26:01
what
26:02
is
26:02
it
26:02
that
26:02
they
26:02
were
26:03
trying
26:03
to
26:03
make
26:03
us
26:03
feel
26:03
about
26:04
her?
26:04
You
26:04
said?
26:04
And
26:04
I
26:05
don't
26:05
get
26:05
the
26:05
connection
26:05
yet.
26:06
Like,
26:06
I
26:06
don't
26:06
see
26:07
what
26:07
you,
26:07
what
26:07
you
26:08
find
26:08
fascinating
26:08
yet.
26:09
Oh,
26:09
well.
26:11
So
26:12
first
26:12
of
26:12
all,
26:12
I
26:12
wasn't
26:12
like,
26:13
a
26:13
massive
26:13
Britney
26:14
Spears
26:14
fan.
26:14
I
26:14
wasn't
26:15
like,
26:15
in
26:15
the
26:15
free
26:15
Britney
26:16
movement
26:16
and
26:16
all
26:16
that.
26:16
But,
26:17
like,
26:17
I,
26:17
I'm
26:17
just
26:17
curious
26:18
about
26:18
it
26:18
all.
26:19
It's
26:20
Britney
26:20
because
26:21
she's
26:21
a
26:21
high.
26:21
She
26:21
was,
26:22
she
26:22
was
26:22
playing.
26:23
Placed
26:23
in
26:23
a
26:23
conservatorship
26:24
at
26:24
like
26:24
22
26:25
or
26:25
20,
26:25
somewhere
26:26
in
26:26
her
26:26
early
26:26
20s
26:27
after
26:27
having
26:28
just
26:28
had
26:28
two
26:29
children.
26:29
So
26:29
she
26:29
might
26:30
be
26:30
postpartum,
26:31
going
26:31
through
26:31
a
26:31
messy
26:32
divorce
26:33
in
26:33
her
26:33
early
26:34
20s.
26:34
Right.
26:35
And
26:35
so,
26:35
like,
26:35
the
26:36
narrative
26:36
was
26:36
that
26:37
like,
26:37
oh,
26:37
poor
26:37
Britney,
26:38
she's,
26:39
you
26:39
know,
26:39
a
26:39
hot
26:40
raving
26:40
mess.
26:41
We
26:41
need
26:42
to
26:42
help
26:42
her.
26:43
And
26:43
so
26:44
her
26:44
conservatorship
26:45
was
26:46
her
26:46
father.
26:47
Who
26:47
was,
26:47
Was
26:47
helping
26:48
her,
26:48
quote,
26:48
unquote.
26:49
Helping
26:49
her.
26:50
Yeah,
26:50
was
26:50
being.
26:51
And
26:51
so,
26:51
like,
26:52
the,
26:52
the.
26:52
The
26:52
goal
26:53
was,
26:53
like,
26:53
for
26:53
the
26:53
media
26:53
to,
26:54
like,
26:54
was
26:54
sort
26:54
of
26:55
complicit
26:55
in
26:55
all
26:56
of
26:56
this,
26:56
because
26:56
the
26:56
media,
26:57
the
26:57
thesis
26:58
was
26:58
that
26:58
the
26:58
media
26:59
was
26:59
the
26:59
one
26:59
who
27:00
was
27:00
creating
27:01
this,
27:01
like,
27:01
cycle
27:02
of,
27:02
of
27:03
like,
27:03
compassion
27:04
seeking.
27:04
Like,
27:04
hey,
27:05
we
27:05
were
27:05
worried
27:05
about
27:06
Britney.
27:06
We
27:06
need
27:06
to
27:07
fix
27:07
Britney.
27:07
Because,
27:08
like,
27:08
it
27:08
was
27:08
actually
27:08
her
27:09
family
27:10
and
27:10
the
27:10
conservatorship,
27:11
like,
27:11
the
27:11
people
27:11
who
27:12
are
27:12
doing
27:12
all
27:12
that,
27:13
they
27:14
were,
27:14
they
27:14
were
27:14
slowly
27:15
building
27:15
a
27:16
case
27:17
for
27:17
the
27:17
public
27:17
so
27:17
the
27:18
public
27:18
wouldn't
27:18
ask
27:19
questions.
27:20
The
27:21
public
27:21
wouldn't,
27:21
like,
27:22
fix
27:22
anything.
27:23
So
27:23
the
27:23
whole
27:23
idea
27:23
is
27:24
like,
27:24
they
27:24
were
27:24
building
27:25
this
27:25
case
27:26
in,
27:26
in
27:26
the,
27:27
in
27:27
the
27:27
media
27:28
about,
27:28
like,
27:28
oh,
27:29
poor
27:29
Britney.
27:29
It's
27:30
so
27:30
sad.
27:30
Oh
27:31
my
27:31
gosh,
27:31
we
27:31
need,
27:32
you
27:32
know,
27:32
she
27:32
needs
27:32
help.
27:33
Like,
27:33
when
27:33
she
27:33
gonna
27:33
get
27:34
help?
27:34
Like,
27:34
oh
27:34
my
27:34
gosh,
27:35
will
27:35
she
27:35
ever.
27:35
And
27:36
then,
27:36
and
27:36
then
27:37
as
27:37
like,
27:37
you're
27:37
doing
27:37
this,
27:38
like,
27:38
and
27:38
all
27:38
these
27:38
little
27:39
insiders,
27:39
you
27:40
know,
27:40
these
27:40
anonymous
27:40
tips,
27:41
who
27:41
are
27:42
not
27:42
saying
27:42
who
27:42
they
27:42
are,
27:43
but
27:43
someone
27:43
close
27:43
to
27:44
the,
27:44
to
27:44
the,
27:44
to
27:44
the.
27:45
To
27:45
Britney
27:45
and
27:45
not
27:45
Brittany
27:46
herself,
27:47
but
27:47
someone
27:47
close
27:47
to
27:48
her
27:48
saying,
27:48
you
27:48
know,
27:48
we're
27:49
worried
27:49
about
27:49
her
27:49
and,
27:50
oh,
27:50
she,
27:50
like,
27:51
seems
27:51
like
27:51
she
27:51
could
27:51
break
27:51
at
27:52
any
27:52
time.
27:53
Then
27:54
when
27:54
she
27:54
finally
27:55
does
27:55
snap,
27:57
you
27:57
know,
27:57
rightfully
27:58
so,
27:58
with
27:59
everything
27:59
she
27:59
had
27:59
going
28:00
on.
28:00
Sure.
28:01
Then
28:01
it's
28:01
like,
28:02
hey,
28:02
we
28:02
need
28:02
to
28:02
come
28:03
in
28:03
and,
28:03
and
28:03
save
28:04
her
28:04
now.
28:04
It's
28:04
time
28:05
to
28:05
save
28:05
her
28:06
now.
28:06
We're
28:06
going
28:06
to,
28:06
like,
28:06
actually
28:07
fix
28:07
her
28:07
as
28:07
opposed
28:08
to
28:08
empathizing.
28:08
Right.
28:09
If
28:09
we
28:09
had
28:09
to
28:09
empathy
28:10
for
28:10
her,
28:11
we
28:11
would
28:11
say,
28:11
oh,
28:12
she
28:13
is
28:13
22
28:14
and
28:14
had
28:14
two
28:14
children
28:15
and
28:16
you
28:16
Know,
28:16
is
28:16
struggling
28:17
for
28:17
custody
28:17
and
28:18
like,
28:18
all
28:18
of
28:18
these
28:18
different
28:19
things.
28:19
And
28:19
then
28:19
she's
28:20
also
28:20
being
28:20
hounded,
28:21
you
28:21
know,
28:21
by
28:21
hundreds
28:22
of
28:22
paparazzi,
28:23
which
28:23
no
28:24
one
28:24
had
28:24
been.
28:24
That.
28:24
Had
28:25
been
28:25
that
28:25
before
28:26
her,
28:27
where
28:27
it
28:27
was
28:27
to
28:27
that
28:28
level
28:28
and
28:28
that
28:29
extreme.
28:29
They've
28:29
done.
28:29
They've
28:30
done
28:30
research
28:30
to
28:30
show
28:30
that,
28:30
like
28:31
Princess
28:31
Diana.
28:32
Right.
28:32
Yeah.
28:33
Like
28:33
that
28:33
kind
28:33
of
28:34
level
28:34
in
28:35
a
28:35
cage.
28:35
Yeah.
28:35
Who
28:35
are
28:36
just
28:36
like
28:36
in
28:36
a
28:36
spotlight
28:37
all
28:37
the
28:37
time,
28:37
being,
28:38
being
28:38
watched.
28:39
It
28:39
actually
28:39
messes
28:40
with
28:40
your
28:40
psychology.
28:41
So
28:42
instead
28:42
of
28:42
us
28:42
having
28:43
empathy
28:43
for
28:43
her,
28:44
we
28:44
all,
28:44
like,
28:44
thought
28:45
I'd
28:45
say
28:45
we
28:45
as
28:46
like
28:46
a
28:46
general.
28:46
But,
28:46
like,
28:47
you
28:47
know,
28:47
that.
28:48
That
28:48
instead
28:48
of
28:48
there
28:48
was
28:48
empathy,
28:49
there
28:49
was
28:49
like
28:49
this
28:50
compassion.
28:50
Because
28:51
that's
28:51
how
28:51
they
28:51
built
28:51
it.
28:52
They
28:52
built
28:52
the
28:52
sympathy
28:52
and
28:53
then
28:53
built
28:53
up
28:53
the
28:53
sympathy
28:54
and
28:54
then
28:54
that
28:54
hopefully
28:55
that
28:55
you
28:55
would
28:55
have
28:55
compassion
28:56
for
28:56
her,
28:56
which
28:57
I
28:57
just
28:57
found
28:57
fascinating.
28:58
And
28:59
somebody
28:59
needed
28:59
to
28:59
do
29:00
something.
29:00
And
29:00
so
29:01
if
29:01
it's
29:01
a
29:01
conservatorship,
29:02
then
29:02
that's
29:02
good.
29:03
Yeah,
29:03
I
29:03
see.
29:04
And
29:04
the
29:04
conservatorship,
29:04
Michelle
29:05
just
29:05
is
29:05
still
29:05
random,
29:06
but,
29:06
like,
29:07
they
29:07
got.
29:07
They
29:07
got
29:08
the
29:08
conservatorship
29:09
because
29:09
they
29:09
said
29:10
that
29:10
she
29:10
had
29:11
early
29:11
dementia.
29:13
Wow.
29:13
That
29:14
she
29:14
was
29:14
26
29:15
years
29:15
old
29:16
or
29:16
20,
29:16
whatever.
29:17
And
29:17
they
29:17
were
29:17
having.
29:17
And
29:17
she
29:17
had
29:18
early
29:18
dementia
29:19
and
29:19
that,
29:20
you
29:20
know,
29:21
we'll.
29:21
We'll
29:21
get
29:21
you
29:21
all.
29:22
We
29:22
have
29:22
a
29:23
doctor
29:23
who
29:23
says
29:23
yes
29:24
and
29:24
agrees
29:24
to
29:24
this.
29:25
We'll
29:25
get
29:25
you
29:25
all
29:25
that
29:25
information.
29:26
We
29:27
just
29:27
need
29:27
to
29:27
get
29:27
her
29:27
into
29:28
a
29:28
conservatorship
29:29
now
29:30
so
29:30
we
29:30
can
29:30
get
29:30
control
29:31
and
29:31
make
29:31
sure
29:31
she
29:31
takes
29:32
care
29:32
of
29:32
herself.
29:32
We'll
29:33
get
29:33
to
29:33
that.
29:33
That
29:33
data
29:34
later.
29:34
And
29:34
then
29:35
no
29:35
one
29:35
ever
29:35
followed
29:35
up
29:35
on
29:36
it.
29:36
That's
29:36
ever
29:37
evil.
29:37
And
29:38
so
29:38
she
29:38
was,
29:38
like,
29:38
in
29:39
this
29:39
thing
29:39
for
29:39
over
29:39
a
29:40
decade.
29:42
Just
29:42
like,
29:42
had.
29:42
It's
29:43
like
29:43
someone
29:43
can
29:43
literally
29:44
just
29:44
like,
29:44
take
29:44
your
29:45
stuff
29:45
like
29:45
that.
29:45
It's
29:45
like,
29:46
it's
29:46
wild
29:47
when
29:47
money
29:47
is
29:48
involved.
29:48
I
29:48
don't
29:48
know.
29:48
It
29:48
was
29:49
just
29:49
fascinating.
29:49
It
29:50
is
29:50
interesting.
29:50
And
29:50
then
29:51
now
29:51
she's
29:51
like,
29:52
got
29:52
problems,
29:52
quote,
29:53
unquote,
29:53
again.
29:53
Again.
29:54
It's
29:55
like,
29:55
shouldn't
29:55
she
29:56
really
29:56
be
29:56
back
29:56
in
29:57
this
29:57
thing?
29:58
Yeah.
29:58
Is
29:58
that
29:58
the
29:59
idea?
29:59
That's
29:59
the
29:59
idea.
30:00
Is
30:00
that,
30:00
like,
30:00
now?
30:00
Yeah.
30:01
The
30:01
same.
30:01
The
30:01
same
30:02
mechanism
30:02
that
30:02
was
30:02
trying
30:02
to
30:02
keep
30:02
her
30:03
down
30:03
before.
30:03
It's
30:03
like,
30:03
it's
30:04
the
30:04
exact
30:04
same
30:04
playbook
30:05
is
30:05
starting
30:05
again.
30:05
It's
30:06
like,
30:06
oh,
30:06
we're,
30:06
you
30:06
know,
30:06
sources
30:07
close
30:07
to
30:07
Britney
30:08
are
30:08
saying
30:08
we're
30:08
worried
30:08
about
30:09
her,
30:09
but
30:09
yet
30:10
the
30:10
media
30:10
is
30:10
not
30:10
actually
30:11
picking
30:11
up
30:11
on
30:11
they,
30:12
like
30:12
the
30:12
sensationalized
30:13
part.
30:13
Right.
30:13
They're
30:13
like,
30:14
oh,
30:14
she's.
30:16
She's
30:17
got
30:17
a
30:17
dui.
30:18
Well,
30:18
she
30:18
actually
30:19
wasn't
30:19
drunk
30:20
under,
30:20
like,
30:21
the
30:21
legal
30:21
limit
30:21
at
30:21
all.
30:22
Like,
30:22
she,
30:22
you
30:23
know,
30:23
and
30:23
then
30:24
she
30:24
had
30:24
to,
30:24
like,
30:24
check
30:25
herself
30:25
into
30:25
rehab
30:26
just
30:27
to
30:27
show
30:27
that
30:27
she
30:28
was
30:28
playing
30:28
ball.
30:28
And
30:28
I'm
30:28
like,
30:29
my
30:29
God,
30:29
this
30:30
poor
30:30
lady.
30:31
This,
30:31
like.
30:31
And
30:31
so,
30:32
like,
30:32
me,
30:32
it's
30:32
like,
30:32
I'm
30:33
empathizing
30:33
for
30:34
her
30:34
now.
30:34
I'm
30:34
like,
30:34
I
30:34
want
30:34
to
30:35
empathize
30:35
for
30:35
her.
30:35
Like,
30:36
that
30:36
would
30:36
just
30:36
suck.
30:36
Yeah.
30:37
And
30:37
I'm
30:38
like,
30:38
I
30:38
have
30:38
no
30:38
need
30:38
to
30:39
fix
30:39
her.
30:39
Like,
30:39
she
30:39
just
30:40
go
30:40
do
30:40
her
30:40
own
30:40
thing.
30:41
Girl,
30:41
you
30:41
do
30:41
you
30:42
do
30:42
you.
30:44
Wow.
30:44
It's
30:45
just.
30:45
Yeah,
30:45
that's
30:46
what
30:46
it
30:46
made
30:46
me
30:46
think
30:46
about.
30:47
That's
30:48
a
30:48
really
30:48
good
30:49
example,
30:49
though,
30:49
of,
30:50
like,
30:50
the
30:50
compassion
30:51
versus
30:51
empathy
30:52
that
30:52
we
30:52
were
30:52
talking
30:52
about.
30:53
Megan,
30:53
you
30:54
brought
30:54
it
30:54
all
30:54
together.
30:54
You
30:55
brought
30:55
it
30:55
home
30:55
with
30:55
the
30:55
Britney
30:56
Spears.
30:57
Yes.
30:59
I
30:59
knew
30:59
it
30:59
made
31:00
sense.
31:01
One
31:01
of
31:01
her
31:02
songs,
31:02
like,
31:02
with
31:03
the
31:03
tagline
31:03
work,
31:04
like,
31:05
hit
31:05
me
31:06
baby
31:06
one
31:06
more
31:06
time.
31:06
Oh,
31:07
oh,
31:08
sure.
31:08
I'm
31:09
stronger,
31:10
stronger
31:12
yesterday.
31:13
Okay,
31:13
stop.
31:13
Because
31:14
I
31:14
think
31:14
you
31:14
get
31:14
charged.
31:15
Yeah.
31:20
Not
31:20
when
31:21
you
31:21
sing
31:21
it
31:21
badly.
31:22
Not
31:22
when
31:22
you
31:22
sing
31:22
it
31:22
badly.
31:23
Michelle.
31:23
If
31:23
it's
31:23
off
31:23
key,
31:24
it
31:24
doesn't
31:24
count.
31:26
It's
31:26
stronger
31:27
than
31:28
yesterday
31:28
day.
31:32
Okay,
31:32
seriously,
31:32
though,
31:33
stop.
31:35
You're
31:35
gonna
31:35
have
31:35
to
31:35
bleep
31:36
it
31:36
all
31:36
out.
31:39
I've
31:39
been
31:39
reading
31:39
on
31:40
law.
31:41
I
31:41
know
31:41
things
31:42
now.
31:42
Cute.
31:43
She's.
31:44
She's
31:44
figured
31:45
it
31:45
out,
31:45
people.
31:48
Well,
31:48
thank
31:48
you
31:48
for
31:49
helping
31:49
me
31:49
figure
31:50
out
31:50
the
31:50
difference
31:51
between
31:51
compassion
31:52
and
31:53
empathy.
31:54
And
31:54
I
31:54
think
31:54
I've
31:54
got
31:54
a.
31:55
I
31:55
think
31:55
I
31:55
want
31:56
to
31:56
continue
31:56
being
31:56
empathetic
31:57
then
31:57
and.
31:59
But
31:59
it
31:59
sounds
31:59
weird
32:00
to
32:00
say
32:00
I
32:00
want
32:00
to
32:00
be
32:00
less
32:01
compassionate.
32:02
But
32:02
it
32:03
may
32:03
be
32:03
true.
32:04
I
32:04
think
32:04
it's
32:05
true,
32:05
though.
32:05
It's
32:05
like,
32:06
you
32:06
can
32:06
still
32:07
have
32:07
compassion
32:08
for
32:08
somebody,
32:10
but
32:10
you
32:10
don't
32:11
have
32:11
to
32:11
be
32:11
compassionate.
32:12
Like,
32:12
the
32:12
state,
32:13
you
32:13
can
32:13
have
32:13
this.
32:13
You
32:14
can
32:14
feel
32:14
the
32:15
desire.
32:16
Like,
32:16
I
32:16
feel
32:17
like
32:17
sometimes,
32:17
like,
32:17
I
32:18
want
32:18
to
32:18
desire
32:18
to
32:18
help,
32:19
but,
32:19
like,
32:20
I
32:20
don't
32:20
put
32:20
myself
32:20
in
32:20
that
32:21
state.
32:21
State
32:22
of,
32:24
you
32:24
know,
32:24
of
32:24
like,
32:25
it's
32:25
like
32:26
I
32:26
feel
32:26
that
32:26
urge.
32:27
Like,
32:27
my
32:27
initial
32:27
urge
32:28
is
32:28
like
32:28
I'm
32:28
empathizing
32:28
something,
32:29
and
32:29
I'm
32:29
like,
32:29
oh,
32:29
I.
32:29
Want
32:29
to
32:30
fix
32:30
it.
32:30
The
32:30
urge
32:31
isn't
32:31
wrong.
32:31
It's
32:32
just
32:32
the
32:32
action
32:32
of,
32:33
like,
32:33
what
32:33
is
32:33
it?
32:34
And
32:34
also
32:34
then
32:36
what
32:36
does
32:36
it
32:37
do
32:37
to
32:37
you?
32:38
Right.
32:38
Like,
32:39
if
32:39
it's
32:39
okay
32:39
and
32:40
you
32:40
can
32:40
help
32:40
them,
32:41
that's
32:42
fine.
32:42
Right.
32:42
But
32:43
this
32:43
idea
32:43
of,
32:43
like,
32:44
maybe
32:45
that's
32:45
not
32:45
a
32:45
good.
32:46
Or.
32:47
And.
32:47
Or
32:47
necessary.
32:48
Yeah.
32:49
Or
32:50
maybe
32:50
it's
32:50
like
32:50
in
32:50
smaller
32:51
bits,
32:51
like,
32:52
small
32:52
bits
32:52
of
32:52
compassion
32:53
as
32:53
opposed
32:53
to,
32:54
like,
32:54
you're
32:55
going
32:55
to
32:55
have
32:55
that
32:56
state
32:56
for,
32:56
like,
32:56
you
32:57
know,
32:57
months
32:58
straight
32:58
or
32:58
something.
32:59
Yeah.
32:59
Like
33:00
it
33:00
shouldn't
33:00
be.
33:02
Like,
33:02
you
33:02
shouldn't
33:03
be
33:03
using
33:03
compassion
33:03
for
33:04
others
33:04
if
33:04
it's
33:05
in
33:05
the
33:05
face
33:06
of
33:06
the
33:06
compassion
33:06
for
33:07
yourself.
33:08
Mm.
33:09
And
33:09
it's
33:10
like.
33:10
And
33:10
also,
33:10
like,
33:11
if
33:11
it's
33:11
not
33:12
been
33:12
asked
33:12
for.
33:13
Right.
33:13
Because
33:14
that's
33:14
unsolicited.
33:15
It's
33:15
unsolicited.
33:16
Compassion
33:17
isn't
33:17
necessarily
33:18
always
33:19
a
33:19
positive
33:19
either.
33:20
Well,
33:20
and,
33:20
like,
33:20
how
33:21
many.
33:21
How
33:21
many
33:22
men
33:23
try
33:23
to,
33:23
like,
33:23
mansplain
33:24
their
33:24
way
33:24
and,
33:25
like,
33:25
rescue
33:26
me?
33:26
And
33:26
I'm
33:26
like,
33:27
I
33:27
don't
33:27
need
33:27
your
33:28
rescuing.
33:28
Or,
33:29
like,
33:29
how
33:29
many
33:29
white
33:30
saviors
33:30
are
33:30
there
33:30
out
33:31
there?
33:31
Like,
33:31
you
33:31
know,
33:31
just
33:32
people
33:32
who
33:32
think
33:32
that
33:32
they
33:32
need
33:32
to
33:33
fix
33:33
something.
33:33
It's
33:33
like,
33:34
no
33:34
one
33:34
asked
33:34
you
33:34
for
33:34
your
33:35
help.
33:37
Yeah,
33:38
no,
33:38
totally.
33:39
Totally.
33:40
But
33:40
then
33:40
it
33:40
also,
33:40
like,
33:40
frees
33:41
you
33:41
up,
33:41
though.
33:41
Like,
33:41
that's
33:42
what
33:42
I've
33:42
kind
33:42
of
33:42
learned
33:43
over
33:43
times.
33:43
Like,
33:43
it's.
33:43
It
33:43
frees
33:44
me
33:44
up
33:45
for
33:46
helping
33:47
people
33:47
when
33:47
they
33:47
really
33:47
do
33:48
need
33:48
it
33:48
because,.
33:49
Like,
33:49
I'm
33:49
not
33:50
depressed.
33:50
And
33:50
that
33:50
was
33:50
her.
33:51
My
33:51
therapist
33:52
point.
33:52
Even
33:52
though
33:52
I
33:52
think
33:53
maybe
33:53
I
33:53
got
33:53
the
33:53
words.
33:54
Let's
33:54
be
33:54
honest,
33:54
I'm
33:54
dyslexic,
33:55
so
33:55
it's
33:55
probably
33:56
me
33:56
that
33:56
got
33:56
the
33:56
words
33:56
backwards.
33:57
But,
33:58
you
33:58
know,
33:59
the
33:59
idea
33:59
that
34:00
you're
34:00
sitting
34:01
back
34:01
and
34:01
you're,
34:02
like,
34:02
feeling
34:02
all
34:03
the
34:03
things
34:03
that
34:04
are
34:04
going
34:04
on
34:04
for
34:04
somebody
34:05
else,
34:05
but
34:05
you're
34:05
not
34:05
acting
34:06
until
34:07
the
34:07
action
34:08
is
34:08
either
34:08
requested
34:10
and.
34:10
Or
34:10
that
34:11
it
34:11
is
34:11
something
34:12
you
34:12
can
34:12
actually
34:12
control
34:13
and
34:13
do.
34:14
Right.
34:14
Because
34:14
you
34:15
could
34:15
sit
34:15
there
34:15
and
34:15
tread
34:16
water
34:17
forever
34:18
and
34:18
just
34:19
wear
34:19
yourself
34:19
out,
34:20
but,
34:20
you
34:20
know,
34:21
there's
34:21
no,
34:21
like,
34:22
what
34:22
good
34:22
is
34:22
that
34:22
doing
34:22
anybody?
34:23
Yeah.
34:24
Yeah.
34:25
Especially
34:25
yourself.
34:26
Yeah.
34:26
Not.
34:26
Not
34:27
helping
34:27
the
34:27
other
34:27
person
34:27
that
34:27
you're
34:28
trying
34:28
to
34:28
be,
34:29
you
34:30
know,
34:30
compassionate,
34:31
therefore.
34:34
Absolutely.
34:34
All
34:35
right,
34:35
well,
34:35
we
34:35
are.
34:35
We
34:36
are
34:36
gonna
34:36
continue
34:37
to
34:37
empathize
34:38
with
34:38
Britney
34:38
Spears
34:40
empathy,
34:40
people.
34:40
Don't
34:41
try
34:41
to
34:41
fix
34:41
her.
34:42
Don't
34:42
try
34:42
to
34:43
fix
34:43
her.
34:43
Just
34:43
empathize.
34:44
She's
34:45
had
34:45
a
34:45
lot
34:45
of
34:45
sh.
34:45
T.
34:45
Going
34:46
on.
34:47
Right.
34:47
Haven't
34:48
we
34:48
all?
34:48
Let
34:48
her.
34:48
Let
34:48
her
34:49
be
34:49
here
34:49
in
34:49
a
34:49
moment.
34:50
It's
34:50
fine.
34:51
And
34:51
also,
34:52
like,
34:52
maybe
34:53
she's
34:53
allowed
34:53
to
34:53
grow
34:53
beyond
34:54
where
34:54
she
34:54
is
34:55
or
34:55
was.
34:56
Right.
34:56
We
34:56
don't
34:57
have
34:57
to,
34:57
like,
34:57
keep
34:57
people.
34:58
I
34:58
feel
34:58
that
34:58
way
34:58
a
34:58
lot
34:59
for
34:59
myself
34:59
as
34:59
I
35:00
go
35:00
through
35:00
my
35:00
therapy.
35:01
It's.
35:01
I
35:01
can.
35:02
I'm
35:02
constantly
35:03
saying,
35:04
like,
35:04
I
35:04
have
35:04
to
35:04
surround
35:05
myself
35:05
with
35:05
people
35:05
who
35:05
are
35:06
ready
35:06
to
35:06
let
35:06
me
35:06
grow
35:07
and
35:08
change
35:08
and
35:08
evolve.
35:09
Because,
35:10
you
35:10
know,
35:10
when
35:10
you
35:10
work
35:11
on
35:11
yourself
35:12
or
35:12
you
35:12
try
35:12
to
35:13
get
35:13
yourself
35:14
together,
35:15
that
35:16
means
35:16
sometimes,
35:17
necessarily,
35:17
that
35:18
your
35:18
behaviors
35:19
or
35:19
the
35:19
way
35:19
you're
35:19
acting
35:20
is
35:20
going
35:20
to
35:20
shift.
35:21
And
35:21
if
35:21
people
35:22
won't
35:22
let
35:22
you,
35:23
that's
35:23
Hard.
35:24
Right.
35:24
And
35:24
I
35:24
think
35:24
that's
35:25
true
35:25
of
35:25
public
35:25
figures.
35:26
Like,
35:26
we
35:26
don't
35:26
want
35:27
them.
35:27
We.
35:28
You
35:28
know,
35:28
people
35:28
don't,
35:28
like,
35:29
change
35:29
always.
35:30
Or
35:30
if
35:31
it's
35:31
a
35:31
positive
35:32
change,
35:32
if
35:33
they
35:33
do
35:33
change
35:33
and
35:33
they
35:34
see
35:34
that,
35:34
like,
35:34
the
35:34
person's
35:35
going
35:35
back,
35:36
you
35:36
know,
35:36
to
35:36
the
35:36
way
35:36
they
35:36
were,
35:38
that
35:38
doesn't
35:38
mean
35:38
that
35:39
they
35:39
still
35:39
need
35:39
help.
35:40
And
35:41
it
35:41
also
35:41
doesn't
35:41
mean
35:41
they're
35:41
gonna
35:42
stay
35:42
there.
35:42
Like,
35:42
it
35:43
could
35:43
have
35:43
just
35:43
been
35:43
a
35:43
bad
35:44
couple
35:44
of
35:44
weeks,
35:44
right?
35:45
I
35:45
mean,
35:46
like,
35:47
a
35:47
couple
35:47
of
35:47
weeks.
35:47
Yeah.
35:48
This
35:48
woman
35:48
was
35:48
talking
35:48
about
35:49
how,
35:49
like,
35:49
people
35:49
are
35:49
really
35:50
worried
35:50
about
35:50
the
35:51
fact
35:51
that,
35:51
like,
35:51
Britney
35:51
Spears
35:52
was
35:52
like,
35:52
she
35:52
does
35:53
things
35:53
like
35:53
dancing,
35:53
right?
35:54
Like,
35:54
she
35:54
was
35:54
doing
35:54
some,
35:55
like,
35:55
I
35:55
think
35:55
Instagram
35:56
posts,
35:56
and
35:57
she
35:57
was
35:57
dancing
35:57
with
35:58
knives.
35:58
And
35:59
first
35:59
of
35:59
all,
35:59
they
35:59
were
35:59
like,
36:00
prop
36:00
knives,
36:01
but
36:01
she
36:01
was
36:02
dancing
36:02
with
36:02
these
36:02
knives,
36:02
and
36:03
people
36:03
are
36:03
like,
36:03
oh,
36:03
my
36:03
God,
36:04
it's
36:04
so
36:05
terrible.
36:05
Or
36:05
she's
36:05
dancing
36:06
like,
36:06
you
36:06
know,
36:06
in.
36:06
In
36:07
whatever
36:07
outfit.
36:07
And
36:07
like,
36:08
oh,
36:08
my
36:08
God.
36:08
So
36:08
suggested,
36:09
like,
36:09
hoochie
36:09
mama.
36:10
And
36:10
you're
36:10
like,
36:10
first
36:10
of
36:10
all,
36:10
she
36:10
said
36:11
her
36:11
40s
36:11
and
36:11
she
36:11
looks
36:12
amazing,
36:12
first
36:13
off.
36:13
But
36:13
secondly,
36:14
the
36:14
woman
36:14
was
36:15
like,
36:15
how
36:15
many?
36:16
Isn't
36:16
that
36:16
her
36:17
gig?
36:17
Is
36:17
that
36:18
her
36:18
vague
36:18
is
36:19
like,
36:19
doesn't.
36:19
She
36:20
dances
36:20
provocatively
36:21
on
36:21
stage?
36:22
Like,
36:22
that's
36:22
her
36:22
whole
36:22
thing.
36:23
Like,
36:23
she's
36:23
doing
36:23
routines
36:24
that
36:24
she
36:24
learned
36:25
on
36:25
stage,
36:25
but.
36:26
But
36:26
also,
36:26
like,
36:26
there's
36:27
an
36:27
entire
36:27
app
36:28
called
36:28
TikTok
36:29
where
36:30
everybody,
36:30
like,
36:31
started
36:31
and
36:31
got
36:32
their
36:32
rise
36:32
to
36:32
fame
36:33
by
36:33
dancing
36:33
and
36:34
doing
36:34
weird
36:34
dances
36:35
and,
36:35
like,
36:35
some
36:35
of
36:35
them
36:35
doing
36:36
suggestive
36:36
dances.
36:36
Like,
36:37
think
36:37
about,
36:37
like,
36:37
Nicki
36:38
Minaj
36:38
and
36:39
Megan
36:39
Sally
36:39
and,
36:40
like,
36:40
I
36:40
mean,
36:40
the
36:40
whole
36:40
WAP
36:41
thing.
36:41
Like,
36:41
they've
36:42
done
36:42
far
36:42
worse
36:43
than
36:43
what
36:43
Britney
36:43
Spears
36:43
is
36:44
doing
36:44
in,
36:44
you
36:45
know,
36:45
but
36:45
no
36:45
one's
36:45
saying,
36:46
like,
36:46
hey,
36:46
maybe
36:47
we
36:47
should
36:47
put
36:47
them
36:47
in
36:47
a
36:47
conservatorship.
36:49
Like,
36:49
the
36:49
difference
36:50
is
36:50
that,
36:50
you
36:50
know,
36:51
her
36:52
family,
36:53
there's
36:53
a
36:53
whole
36:53
other
36:54
narrative
36:55
for
36:55
her.
36:55
Yeah,
36:56
yeah.
36:56
Like,
36:57
bad
36:57
actors
36:57
in
36:57
her
36:57
life,
36:57
which
36:58
is
36:58
like,
36:58
I
36:58
face
36:58
find
36:59
fascinating.
37:00
It's
37:00
fascinating,
37:01
but
37:01
also,
37:02
that
37:02
is
37:02
sad.
37:03
It's
37:03
like,
37:03
aren't
37:04
we
37:04
glad
37:04
that.
37:05
I
37:05
mean,
37:05
I'm
37:05
glad
37:05
I
37:06
didn't
37:06
let
37:06
you
37:06
let
37:06
Josh
37:07
be
37:07
a
37:07
little
37:07
pop
37:07
star,
37:08
you
37:08
know?
37:09
Yeah,
37:09
I
37:09
know.
37:09
I
37:09
wanted
37:10
to.
37:10
Right?
37:10
Oh,
37:11
my
37:11
God,
37:11
he's
37:11
so
37:11
cute.
37:12
Yeah,
37:12
but
37:13
can
37:13
you
37:13
imagine,
37:13
like,
37:13
you're
37:14
like.
37:14
But
37:15
yeah.
37:15
If
37:15
you're
37:15
little
37:15
like
37:16
that.
37:16
Yeah.
37:16
You
37:17
know,
37:17
and
37:17
then,
37:17
like,
37:18
you
37:18
know,
37:18
I
37:18
know
37:19
you
37:19
would
37:19
never
37:19
have
37:19
been
37:19
a
37:20
bad
37:20
actor
37:20
in
37:20
his
37:20
life,
37:21
but
37:21
you'd
37:22
have
37:22
to
37:22
be
37:22
there.
37:22
But
37:22
you'd
37:22
have
37:22
to
37:23
watch.
37:23
Yeah.
37:24
Because,
37:24
oh,
37:24
my
37:24
goodness,
37:25
people
37:25
would
37:25
take
37:25
advantage
37:26
and
37:27
well,
37:27
and
37:27
you
37:27
don't
37:28
know.
37:28
What
37:28
you're
37:28
going
37:28
to
37:28
change.
37:29
Like
37:29
you
37:29
don't
37:29
know
37:29
what
37:30
you
37:30
don't
37:30
know.
37:30
And
37:30
so
37:31
like
37:31
people
37:31
do
37:32
change.
37:32
You
37:33
know,
37:33
money
37:33
and
37:33
power
37:34
does
37:34
change
37:35
people.
37:36
And
37:36
I
37:36
would
37:36
hope
37:36
that
37:37
that
37:37
wouldn't
37:37
have
37:37
been
37:37
me.
37:37
But
37:38
like,
37:38
you
37:38
never
37:38
know.
37:38
I
37:39
could
37:39
have
37:39
been
37:39
like,
37:39
you
37:40
know,.
37:40
A
37:40
bloody
37:41
hungry
37:42
power
37:42
could
37:42
have
37:43
corrupted.
37:43
Absolutely
37:45
because
37:45
I
37:45
hadn't,
37:45
I
37:45
hadn't
37:46
had
37:46
my
37:46
PTSD
37:47
training
37:47
at
37:47
that
37:47
point
37:47
yet.
37:48
So.
37:49
Yeah,
37:50
you
37:50
just
37:51
never
37:51
know.
37:51
Like
37:51
I
37:51
could
37:52
have
37:52
allowed
37:52
him
37:52
to
37:52
get.
37:53
It
37:53
could
37:53
have
37:53
been
37:53
a
37:53
weird
37:54
like
37:54
Anteger,
37:55
like
37:55
momager
37:56
but
37:56
like
37:56
answer.
37:57
And
37:57
oh
37:57
my
37:58
gosh,
37:58
look
37:58
at.
37:59
That's
37:59
another
37:59
lady.
37:59
I'm
37:59
saved
38:00
to
38:00
Michelle,
38:01
Another
38:01
one
38:01
I'm
38:01
listening
38:01
to
38:02
is
38:02
this
38:02
woman
38:02
who
38:02
is
38:02
a
38:03
therapist
38:04
and
38:04
she
38:05
does
38:05
these
38:05
like
38:05
deep
38:06
dives
38:06
into
38:06
the
38:07
psychology,
38:07
like
38:07
the
38:08
dark
38:08
psychology
38:09
of
38:09
people.
38:10
And
38:10
like
38:10
she
38:10
did
38:10
a
38:11
whole
38:11
thing
38:11
on
38:11
the
38:11
Kardashians.
38:12
Oh
38:12
my
38:12
God,
38:13
it's
38:13
so
38:13
fascinating.
38:13
Michelle,
38:14
I
38:14
have
38:14
to
38:14
send
38:14
it
38:14
to
38:14
you.
38:15
It's
38:15
amazing.
38:16
And
38:16
she's
38:17
just
38:17
like,
38:17
I
38:17
mean
38:18
just,
38:18
it's
38:18
like
38:19
she
38:19
goes
38:19
through
38:19
the
38:19
whole
38:20
family.
38:21
Family
38:21
systems.
38:22
You
38:22
know,
38:22
like,
38:23
it's
38:23
like,
38:23
oh,
38:24
this
38:24
is
38:24
the
38:24
narcissist
38:25
and
38:25
here's
38:26
the
38:26
golden
38:26
child.
38:27
And
38:27
here's
38:27
the,
38:27
like,
38:28
I
38:28
mean
38:28
she
38:28
goes
38:28
through
38:28
all.
38:29
I
38:29
was
38:29
like,
38:29
it
38:29
all
38:30
makes
38:30
sense.
38:30
Okay,
38:31
you
38:31
guys,
38:31
next
38:32
time
38:32
on
38:33
like
38:34
we
38:34
should
38:34
name
38:35
this
38:35
something
38:36
I
38:36
know
38:37
like
38:37
mirror
38:38
or,
38:39
or
38:39
Mimi
38:40
Mimi.
38:41
The
38:42
Mimi
38:42
Mimi
38:43
memes.
38:48
Well,
38:48
I
38:48
was
38:48
thinking
38:49
M
38:49
I
38:50
and
38:50
M
38:50
E.
38:52
The
38:53
mimeos.
38:56
But
38:56
anyway,
38:57
next
38:57
time,
38:57
next
38:57
time
38:58
on
38:58
whatever
38:58
we're
38:58
gonna
38:58
call
38:59
this
38:59
little,
38:59
little
39:00
snippet,
39:01
we
39:01
will
39:01
be
39:01
talking
39:01
about
39:02
the
39:02
Kardashians,
39:02
apparently.
39:03
I'll
39:03
learn
39:03
all
39:03
about
39:03
it.
39:04
All
39:04
of
39:04
the
39:04
Kardashians.
39:05
It's
39:05
fascinating.
39:06
Yeah,
39:06
but,
39:07
but
39:07
today
39:07
was
39:07
a
39:07
little
39:07
bit,
39:08
a
39:08
little
39:08
Britney,
39:09
a
39:09
little
39:09
empathy,
39:10
a
39:10
little
39:10
compassion
39:11
discussion.
39:12
Right?
39:12
So
39:13
I
39:13
think
39:13
we've
39:13
decided
39:14
to
39:14
empathize
39:14
with
39:15
Britney.
39:16
Compassion
39:16
we
39:17
need
39:17
to
39:17
be
39:17
careful
39:17
with.
39:18
Right?
39:18
We
39:18
don't
39:19
need
39:19
to
39:19
be
39:19
compassionate
39:19
for
39:19
her.
39:20
She's,
39:20
she's
39:20
a
39:20
grown
39:21
ass
39:21
woman.
39:21
She
39:21
can
39:21
take
39:22
care
39:22
of
39:22
herself.
39:22
She
39:22
can
39:23
take
39:23
care
39:23
of
39:23
herself.
39:23
Good
39:24
job.
39:25
Love
39:25
you.
39:25
Love
39:25
you.
39:26
Bye.
39:27
Bye.