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How AI Cameras Are Secretly Tracking Your Every Move | Alessi Allaman · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: You think those flock cameras popping up everywhere are just
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  Speaker 1: trying to track stolen cars or bad deeds going on? Well,
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  Speaker 1: think again. These AI-powered surveillance networks are logging millions of
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  Speaker 1: everyday drivers with zero public oversight. And the real misuse
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  Speaker 1: is much worse than you think. Going to break it
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  Speaker 1: down right now with Alessi Alleman. He actually went to
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  Speaker 1: a city council meeting. He found out more about these
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  Speaker 1: flock cameras that you've got to see. Where did these
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  Speaker 1: things come from? These are not county-owned or taxpayer-bought cameras
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  Speaker 1: that they agreed to in some sort of a vote, right?
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  Speaker 1: This is some private company that owns these.
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  Speaker 2: It's a private company, but your city council actually did
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  Speaker 2: use taxpayer funds to get these. So this issue, so
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  Speaker 2: the Flock is one of a big umbrella of many
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  Speaker 2: other AI surveillance cameras. And they're being told they're ALPR,
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  Speaker 2: automatic license plate reading cameras. So that's how they've been sold.
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  Speaker 2: And the one that's gotten the most attention is Flock,
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  Speaker 2: And there's a site that's called deflock.com. I recommend you
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  Speaker 2: guys go check it out. And it tells you where
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  Speaker 2: all these cameras are located across the USA. And these
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  Speaker 2: are just from publicly reported because this company and the
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  Speaker 2: police departments aren't sharing because they said they don't want
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  Speaker 2: criminals to know where these cameras are. So there's around
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  Speaker 2: 200,000 right now. And that's an under report around the US.
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  Speaker 2: And this company started in 2017. And then, of course,
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  Speaker 2: there were some competitors. The other one is called Axon.
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  Speaker 2: And then another one is called Vigilant, which is funded
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  Speaker 2: by Motorola. And so these three companies are essentially Silicon
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  Speaker 2: Valley funded companies. Mark Andreessen, famous guy, billionaire, Silicon Valley
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  Speaker 2: technocratic elite. He's one of the investors, as well as
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  Speaker 2: Peter Thiel is another investor. So those are the people
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  Speaker 2: who've created this technology. And they didn't really get any
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  Speaker 2: attention until the last two, three years where they really exploded.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a map you can see from April 2024
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  Speaker 2: on X. It does a great image where you show
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  Speaker 2: just like a few hundred around the U.S. up to
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  Speaker 2: now where there's 200,000, and that's a low estimate.
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  Speaker 1: If you are working for Flock or the other companies
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  Speaker 1: that are doing this and you wanted to sell me
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  Speaker 1: on why this is important, what is the sales pitch?
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  Speaker 1: The cities, the municipalities, the townships, the counties, whatever, they're
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  Speaker 1: buying into this.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: What is the promise?
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  Speaker 2: Joe, they're going to tell you this. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: be like, hey, Joe, we're going to make your area safer.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to make sure there's mass surveillance because let's
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  Speaker 2: say if your child gets abducted, wouldn't you want to
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  Speaker 2: know where your child is? Let's say that if there
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  Speaker 2: was a crime that took place at this time, we
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  Speaker 2: have the license plate reading data from a year ago,
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  Speaker 2: and it says that it belongs to this person. And
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  Speaker 2: then on top of it, it says it's going to
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  Speaker 2: make the streets safer at schools. being able to monitor
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  Speaker 2: if there are intruders or there are people coming to
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  Speaker 2: the school to do bad things, they have that information.
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  Speaker 2: So that's how they're selling it. But you also have
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  Speaker 2: to keep in mind with this technology, this got started
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  Speaker 2: in 2017 when AI was really just at the very beginning,
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  Speaker 2: if anything. Now we have people like Sam Altman, we
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  Speaker 2: have people like Anthropic, where this AI technology is completely
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  Speaker 2: going like this and exploding in terms of capabilities where
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  Speaker 2: They've had Anthropic apparently accidentally break into some of its
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  Speaker 2: vaults and essentially they were doing a test run and
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  Speaker 2: then it was able to outdo the test and the
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  Speaker 2: people weren't aware of that. So that's where AI is now.
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  Speaker 2: So imagine they're applying that technology in the cameras. It's
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  Speaker 2: not just a simple camera taking a photo of your
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  Speaker 2: license plate or you. It's registering your face, your nose,
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  Speaker 2: maybe tattoos, maybe your necklace, and it's holding onto that data.
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  Speaker 2: And the police say, hey, all that data is just
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  Speaker 2: with us in our department and we're holding onto it.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, we've had people out there expose them saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: Flock has been able to take this data. They've used
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  Speaker 2: this data. They've been able to tap into these cameras
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  Speaker 2: that they've sold to the police department. So who has
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  Speaker 2: access to our data? Are they selling it against us?
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  Speaker 2: And on top of it, where's the oversight? Where are
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  Speaker 2: the internal safeguards? Who's making sure they're not using it
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  Speaker 2: to maybe stalk, which if you look at any news
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  Speaker 2: report right now, just look up Flock misuse. Hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: reports from different counties of officers either stalking or misusing
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  Speaker 2: the cameras. There's a guy here in Jacksonville, Florida. The
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  Speaker 2: cops pulled up on him when he was working on
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  Speaker 2: the job and they pulled guns, guns on him. And
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  Speaker 2: they said, hey, this is a stolen vehicle. And the guy, Robert, cooperated. Luckily,
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  Speaker 2: the tensions went down and he was able to explain
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  Speaker 2: being like, I don't know why you guys are arresting me.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, hey, sorry. these flock cameras accidentally identified
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  Speaker 2: your vehicle as stolen. Now, thank God he's alive, but
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  Speaker 2: you know how that could have ended.
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  Speaker 1: No, absolutely. If he makes a quick move, he might
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  Speaker 1: be dead. So let me do more of a deep
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  Speaker 1: dive into the whole AI component. And I'm saying Alleman.
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  Speaker 1: Is it Alleman or Alleman? Alleman. I should remember that.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that I was saying it right. I just
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  Speaker 1: want to make sure. It's Alessi Alleman. Go and follow
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  Speaker 1: him now on YouTube, just his first and last name
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  Speaker 1: over on YouTube. I want to deep dive into it
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  Speaker 1: because you made a delineation between just a regular camera
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  Speaker 1: that's taken license plates down, and then a camera that's
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  Speaker 1: attached to AI that does everything well beyond that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that people would have agreed to anything more
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  Speaker 1: than maybe a camera. Like I'm against red light cameras
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  Speaker 1: because there's a company in Phoenix that makes money if
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  Speaker 1: I run the red light. So it's like somebody profits
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  Speaker 1: if I do something wrong. And I don't like that
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  Speaker 1: mass surveillance anyway. Then the argument is, well, you're in public,
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  Speaker 1: no real expectation of privacy. But if you add the
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  Speaker 1: AI component, Now you're finding out who I am, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, whether I've got a nose ring on, what
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  Speaker 1: my tattoos are, where I was born, when I was born,
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  Speaker 1: what my mother's name is, what my social security number is,
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  Speaker 1: just by taking a picture of my license plate. And
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  Speaker 1: I've got a massive problem with that. How did they
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  Speaker 1: get away with attaching AI to something that should have
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  Speaker 1: been just a simple camera that might read a license plate?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. And I couldn't tell you
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  Speaker 2: exactly how they got away with it. But all I
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  Speaker 2: know is that these companies were able to keep developing
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  Speaker 2: the AI component. And like you see in China, which
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  Speaker 2: is the example I always point out, they have a
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  Speaker 2: social credit score. They have it. So let's say you
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  Speaker 2: accidentally jaywalk or you spit gum automatically find automatically put
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  Speaker 2: that on the record. And that record is used for everything.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't mean to fear monger, but this is
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  Speaker 2: literally the slippery slope to getting to a surveillance state.
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  Speaker 2: of China. That's what it is. And this AI technology
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  Speaker 2: that China has is very comparable. And the way they're
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  Speaker 2: selling a lot of this stuff is in terms of
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  Speaker 2: public safety. And I always reference the Ben Franklin quote,
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  Speaker 2: which he warned us, 1776, we fought a war over
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  Speaker 2: this saying that, hey, if you're willing to give up
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of privacy and a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: freedom for temporary security, then you don't deserve either. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly right. And that's what I was thinking of, and
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't think of it. What's interesting is, again, I've
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  Speaker 1: seen these videos online. You might say, well, that's a one-off.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't really happen that often. Do you know the
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  Speaker 1: story I'm talking about out of Colorado, I believe? There
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  Speaker 1: was a woman who happened to be blonde, who happened
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  Speaker 1: to drive through her own neighborhood many times during the week.
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  Speaker 1: A police officer showed up like a sergeant or a detective.
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  Speaker 1: And he, like, told her to her face, you're lying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to show you the proof. You're a liar.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to work with me. You're lying, lying, lying.
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  Speaker 1: And the allegation was she went and stole somebody's package
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  Speaker 1: off their front porch. It turns out it was a
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  Speaker 1: very different blonde woman in the same area of Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that they tracked this woman, knew how many
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  Speaker 1: times she passed through that area, knew how many times
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  Speaker 1: that she was on that street, and then made the
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  Speaker 1: assumption because maybe the AI in Flock or maybe this
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  Speaker 1: detective himself said, looks like the same person. Must be her.
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  Speaker 1: We've got her car. She's definitely guilty. That will apologize,
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  Speaker 1: you know, over and over again. But that doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: They scared the hell out of her like she was
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  Speaker 1: going to be arrested. They're setting up court dates. They're
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  Speaker 1: charging her with crimes. And, Alessa, you know, and I
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  Speaker 1: want you to expand if you don't mind for my audience,
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  Speaker 1: she had nothing to do with any of it. And
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  Speaker 1: that's not okay. A free, liberated American woman in Colorado
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  Speaker 1: should not have to prove herself innocent when there should
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  Speaker 1: be a presumption of innocence.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. Yeah, it was a crazy case. They came
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  Speaker 2: up to her and essentially said, we know you were there.
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  Speaker 2: We saw you admit to it. And she kept saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: can I see this information? Can I show you? We
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  Speaker 2: have cameras in our car. We have cameras in our house.
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  Speaker 2: I can show you where it was. And they were like, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I want to really frame this discussion where
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  Speaker 2: the biggest proponents of this are going to be your
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  Speaker 2: local police, your county sheriffs and the police officers. And
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  Speaker 2: I understand from their perspective that They think this is
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  Speaker 2: a net gain because it's making their job easier. And
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  Speaker 2: I've had these discussions with family, friends who are officers.
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  Speaker 2: So they're the biggest defenders of it. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to put them in the light like what happened
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  Speaker 2: with the BLM because I understand where that goes. But
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  Speaker 2: the conversation you should be having with them is like,
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  Speaker 2: I understand that. I understand. But also. They're taking data
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  Speaker 2: because they said crime is dropping. Flock is like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's because of us. No, it's been dropping. It's been
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  Speaker 2: dropping before Flock was there. So you guys are capable
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  Speaker 2: of detective work. You guys have done a lot of
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  Speaker 2: great things. And I understand the case of child abductions,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to look at it not from a
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  Speaker 2: short-term gain, but from a long-term, is this a net win?
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't seem like it to me.
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  Speaker 1: He's a great storyteller. His YouTube is Alessi Alleman. That
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  Speaker 1: is the whole YouTube name, right? Just your first and
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  Speaker 1: last name together?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Go and follow him at Alessi Alleman, A-L-L-A-M-A-N. Um, what
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  Speaker 1: if I go to the gun shop and decide I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to go buy a gun? Flock camera gets me
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  Speaker 1: driving through that city, gets me stopping at the parking
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  Speaker 1: lot at the gun shop. I walk into the gun shop,
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  Speaker 1: I buy a gun. The government's not supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: able to track, you know, have a, a federal registry
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  Speaker 1: about who's got guns and who doesn't because the second
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  Speaker 1: amendment says I can have it if I'm somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: not a felon or whatever. Um, They can track it
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  Speaker 1: that way too, can't they? They say, well, I know
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  Speaker 1: this guy went and bought a gun and then somebody
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  Speaker 1: got shot two blocks away. Why don't we pull him over,
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  Speaker 1: stop his day, take his gun from him, maybe put
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  Speaker 1: him in handcuffs and detain him for a while. That's
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  Speaker 1: really what we're leading to, right? They could do what
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  Speaker 1: I just said, couldn't they?
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  Speaker 2: Well, guess what? They already have. Here in Marion County, Florida.
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  Speaker 2: guess what? Some people were driving to the local public
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  Speaker 2: gun range and they noticed there was a flock camera
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  Speaker 2: on the way in and a flock camera on the
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  Speaker 2: way out. And they were asking themselves, why are there
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  Speaker 2: cameras over here? Don't we have the Second Amendment right?
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  Speaker 2: This is a public area. We're allowed to do this.
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  Speaker 2: Why are we now monitoring our activities? And also, why
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  Speaker 2: are there cameras over here? this second amendment, right? Which
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  Speaker 2: we have every right to take advantage of. Like that's
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  Speaker 2: what it was in the constitution. So it's already happened.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not just exclusive here to Marion County. This
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  Speaker 2: has happened all over the U S there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of these gun ranges. And also strangely enough, some
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  Speaker 2: of these cameras are aimed at parks where they're not
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  Speaker 2: even aimed at streets. So I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: What is that? How you're reading license plates there. That's
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  Speaker 1: not a license plates reading that that's somebody tracking you
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  Speaker 2: And then they just found one the other day aimed
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  Speaker 2: at a pool, a community pool. And this is the
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  Speaker 2: best example of this was there's this guy, Ben Jordan,
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  Speaker 2: who really was blowing the whistle on this three months ago.
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  Speaker 2: And he went to his Georgia City Council and he said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I was able to hack into the cameras and get
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  Speaker 2: access to them. I just was able to do it
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  Speaker 2: on my own. So just understand other people can do this.
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  Speaker 2: And on top of it, he was able to find
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  Speaker 2: that the cameras were at a synagogue, I think, or
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  Speaker 2: a temple. It was a Jewish community center. And the
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  Speaker 2: flock team had gotten access to the cameras. One of
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  Speaker 2: the cameras were pointed, guess where? At the child care
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  Speaker 2: area where all the children were. And he said they
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  Speaker 2: reported this to Flock and Flock was like, oh, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: this was just a demo. We did an internal investigation
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  Speaker 2: and they've been handled. Like, really? Come on. You think
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to buy that? So stuff like that is
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  Speaker 2: OK for cars. But why are they aimed at parks?
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  Speaker 2: Why are they at gun ranges? Why are they aimed
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  Speaker 2: here at a child care center? This doesn't feel like
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  Speaker 2: security at all to me. This feels a lot more invasive,
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  Speaker 2: like our privacy is being infringed on.
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  Speaker 1: Like you, I'm a guy who backs the blue. I
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  Speaker 1: believe in law enforcement. I've got family members that are
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement. So do you. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to say cops are bad, but not
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  Speaker 1: everybody's good. There's always going to be a small percentage
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  Speaker 1: in any, in any profession where they're not really good people.
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  Speaker 1: Is it true that police officers, or at least one,
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  Speaker 1: maybe there's more than that, have been stalking women with
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  Speaker 1: the flock cameras?
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  Speaker 2: It's, It's more than one, unfortunately. It's so many, almost
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  Speaker 2: in every county.
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  Speaker 1: That is sick.
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  Speaker 2: It's sick. And that was one of the things for
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  Speaker 2: my city council that I went to, which I did
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  Speaker 2: a video and I guess it went locally viral. I've
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  Speaker 2: had some news reporters come ask me about it. And
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  Speaker 2: I got to speak to the local city of Ocala
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  Speaker 2: police department sheriff off the record. And I won't share
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  Speaker 2: most of those details, but I'll share just a few
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  Speaker 2: in that. I showed him this concern and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: where is the oversight? Where are the internal safeguards to
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  Speaker 2: make sure this doesn't happen in our own city, in
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  Speaker 2: our own county? And he said, well, I'm the head man,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm going to make sure that it doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: And I've had to already tell some of the guys,
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  Speaker 2: the detectives, we're not using it for this case. We're
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  Speaker 2: not using it for that. And I just looked at
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  Speaker 2: him and I was like, hey, I understand that you
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  Speaker 2: seem like a great guy. And I really appreciate you're
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  Speaker 2: our city chief here. But that's a bit concerning when
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  Speaker 2: you're the only line of gatekeeping to make sure this
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  Speaker 2: doesn't go wrong. Because what if you're not there? What
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  Speaker 2: if you're on vacation? God forbid something happens to you
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  Speaker 2: and die tomorrow. Who's going to have access to this? Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a scary, like you said earlier, slippery slope,
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  Speaker 1: big time. I want to break down some things that
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  Speaker 1: are legal that still bother me, like police officers running
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  Speaker 1: around all day reading my license plate. They can. I'm
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  Speaker 1: in public. I'm on the road. I accept that there
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  Speaker 1: are rules. I get it. It's a privilege. It's not
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  Speaker 1: a right to drive on a road paid for by
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  Speaker 1: the taxpayers. But at least there's somebody there. At least
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  Speaker 1: there's somebody that I can now challenge. The whole argument
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: about red light cameras was a simple one. Like I said,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: there's some company in Arizona somewhere collecting money if I
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: should run the red light, so therefore they profit if
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I run the red light. They want me to do that.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: But also, I don't, as an American citizen, have the
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: right to confront my accuser. It's a machine. It's a thing.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: When a cop does it, I can now bring that
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: police officer to the courthouse, and I can challenge that,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: defend myself, and try to show how the person did
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: something right or wrong. With the camera, you can't. That's
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: why it's a civil penalty if you get a red
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: light camera. It's not a criminal penalty because there's no
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: real person there. Does that apply to this too? If
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: the flock camera gets my license plate or tells my wife,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: we saw you steal a package. When she didn't steal
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: a package, she just happened to drive through that neighborhood
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: a lot. Can I sit down with the CEO of
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: flock and say, how dare you? Is there some way
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: for me to challenge what it is that they're saying?
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: And if not, I think that violates your civil liberties.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: And I, I can't confidently say there is a way,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: to be honest. I think a lot of these misuse cases,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: people have approached them and they've done internal investigations. And
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know what these departments have done. But yeah,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: and that's the thing that's concerning is that that data,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: let's say you did run that red light. Guess what?
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: They have that red light you ran five years ago, Joe.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: They're holding on to that. They have that information from
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: maybe six years ago where you accidentally jaywalked or something
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Guess what?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: They can use all that information to build a case
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: in the future, which to me blows my mind. Because
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: why is that data that's from the past now being
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: allowed to use? That seems like a warrantless access to
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: our information. It totally feels like an infringement on the
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Fourth Amendment, personally speaking.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: And you can't opt out of it. When I go
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: to the airport, they try to take a picture of
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: you now. You have every right to say, I opt
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: out of that picture. And their answer is, well, we
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: only keep it for seven seconds. I said, I don't
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: believe you.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Now that you have it, you're probably going to keep it.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: And like you said, five or 10 years from now,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: you might say, well, a guy who looks an awful
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: lot like that guy who flew on a plane 10
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: years ago, looks like he robbed the bank. Let's go
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: pick him up. I'm not okay with that, but I
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: do have the right to say I opt out of that.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I don't see the privilege of flying any different than
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the privilege of driving. Why do I have to automatically
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: allow them to take my picture of my license plate?
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Or like he said, maybe the picture of my new
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: haircut or the earring I have on or whatever. Why
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: can't I opt out of that? Is there an ongoing
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: discussion about the people being able to say, I don't
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: want the flock camera to surveil me? How do I
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: avoid that? I don't even know where they are, first
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: of all, but how do I avoid that? Can I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: opt out?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: So this is, I think, the good news that everyone
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: should be aware of for this, is that with the
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: city council, you are capable. I know a lot of
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: the times people feel like they don't have any power,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: that their Congress leaders, their senators out in D.C. are
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: making the decisions. They're not going to give them the
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: time of day. This is from a city and county acceptance.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: They're the ones that allowed it. That's why I went
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to the city council to set an example, being like, look,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I've never been to a city council in my life.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I avoid it like the plague. But guess what? They're
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: the ones that okayed the yearly contract. They're the ones
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: that are giving money to these ALPR cameras. So guess what?
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: As a constituent, I went over there to tell them
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not okay with this. I think this is dangerous.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's going the wrong way. And I think
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: if more people went to their city councils, and a
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: lot of people are, I'm telling you not just to freaking...
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: you know, just toot the horn here and preach to
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the choir, but you are capable. Your voice to these
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: city councils, you can just rip into them. You could
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: tell them being like, I don't want this. And you
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: have that voice. We live in a democracy. You have
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that capability. So I encourage people, if you find this alarming,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: don't just think someone else is going to do something
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: about it. Because guess what? I was the first person
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: in my entire city of Ocala to actually go to
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: that city council to talk about it. And if I
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: had the mindset that someone else was going to do it,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Guess what? I don't think we'd be having this discussion.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Was the city council receptive to you? Did they seem
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: knowledgeable about how far reaching these cameras are and how
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: did they receive you?
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: They received me in terms of a three-hour city council,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: me speaking at the two-hour and 15-minute mark. They didn't
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: seem like they wanted to be there any longer than
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: they already were. And this is just me, again, speculating
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: on it. But I had people reach out to me
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: afterwards who saw my video that did a couple hundred
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: thousand views. And there's been a little bit of a
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: coalition that's kind of started where they know the mayor
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: of our town. They know these city council people. Even better,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: they know the county council people. And that They're saying, hey,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: let's go bring this to them. Let's get these people
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: in arms together and actually build this team to say
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: how dangerous this is and educate them. Because I'm not
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: trying to think sinister that they're just doing it because
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: they want surveillance. I think a lot of it is
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: they work in hand with the police and the police,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: people working at Flock are a lot of ex-police. and ex-sheriffs.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: And they think this technology is going to make their
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: job easier. So when they hear their police department telling them, like,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: we want these cameras, I think a lot of them
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: are just in line thinking, like, oh, this is great, whatever. Right.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: When someone like myself or you, Joe, or anyone out
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: there goes to their city council, I think you educate
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: them and show them the stories that have happened, the misuses,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the abuse, and you tell them about what Ben Franklin said,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I think to them it starts to click a little bit.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Well, Alessi, you and I know each other. I had
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you on the show before. We collabed on a video before,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: but this is the reason I have you back. I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: saw that video, and I'm so glad that it got
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: some traction. My fear was that the technological pinheads that
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: control everything would say, Let's not put this out there.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: He's making us look bad. But I'm glad that it
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: did get the kind of traction that it did. Is
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: there a move to tell city councils, all right, you
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: want to have these flock cameras. You can keep my
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: data for a day. You can keep my license plate
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: for a week. You can't keep it forever. I mean,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. And I also want to
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: ask you, who exactly has access to the license plate
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: reader results? Who has access to where I'm going? I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: don't trust that a private company doesn't have these sort of,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: open doors for other people to get in. As a
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, I know because you've said it in
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: this interview earlier that other people were hacking it, but
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: it sounds like you don't even have to hack it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think they were very protected, these flock camera results.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So a couple of things there. Number one, is there
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: a push to make it a limited time they can
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: keep your data? And secondarily, who's seeing my data?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Two great questions. The answer to that first question is,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows. It's from city to city. It really depends
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: on the police department. When I spoke to that Ocala chief,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: he told me they had, I think, a limit of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: 60 days or something, and that the argument of extending
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that was, what if someone went kidnapping two years ago?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't we want to have that data? So you have
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to be careful how these people are dressing up this surveillance. Again,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: it's for the security. So I think it's city by
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: city and county by county. It really depends. And then
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the question, what was your second question again, remind me?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: The second question is, how do we know who sees
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: our data? Because again, you said hacking earlier in the conversation,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: but I think that I've seen a story in the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: past week or two that it's very, very easy just
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to go and see what flock is gathering. Is that true?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's very true. People have been able to find
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: open forums where they have access to the data. They've
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: been able to find the license plate. They've been able
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: to see if how they've used it. They can get
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: access to the cameras. And again, the CEO of Flock,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Garrett Langley, he is told, and he might've recanted the statement,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: but it's important to state the people that put the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: deflock site showing all the cameras, he called those people terrorists.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: He said they were terrorists that were capable of doing damage.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And so he might've recanted that statement now. I don't know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: because obviously he's gained a lot of flack, no pun intended.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: But It's one of those things where They have access
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: to the data. It's a two way street. The police
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: department has access. They have access to it. And maybe
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: in the contract it says they don't. But guess what?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: People have been able to break into that information and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: see that, look, you guys are actually collecting this data.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: So now are you selling this data? What are you
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: using this data for? I know there's a lot of
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: money in data and I have a hard time believing
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: they're just like, we're not going to use any of it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: We're just going to leave it there because, you know,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: we just want to make sure for security reasons we
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: have backup. I doubt that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Our police agencies, it's Alessi Alleman, A-L-E-S-S-I-A-L-L-A-M-A-N over on YouTube.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Go follow him. Great storyteller. He's got a great page
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: that's growing leaps and bounds every day. Is there a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: push for the police to stop relying on me so
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: much since the Colorado case, since the police stalking cases,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: since flock cameras are facing pools and parks? I would
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: hope that police would now realize and take a step
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: back and go, okay, we think we have the right
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: person who might have done this thing. Let me go
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: in with a softer hand because, again, I think we've
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: all seen that video now. If you're interested in the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: flock cameras, go look up the Colorado case where he
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: shows up, and he is so sure that she's a criminal. And, like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: her husband's going, dude, what are you talking about? And
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: thank God they had dash cams. because the dash cams
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: proved where she was and where she didn't go. But
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: all of that said, are they now realizing that it's
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: not impenetrable, that this technology is still new and it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: could be misused?
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I would like to think so. Personally, from the little
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: circle and bubble that I have of people that I
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: communicate with that are in law enforcement and here in
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: my own city of Ocala, it seems like they're digging
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: their heels in a little bit and that they're still
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: proclaiming that this is still capable of doing a lot
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: of good. And I've tried to express my argument and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: credit to the people that I've spoken to in law enforcement.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: They say, yeah, we're not sure what exactly is happening
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: to the data, how long it's storing, but this is
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: only for license plates and that's it. And it leads
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to that discussion where they can't confidently say it's going
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: to a surveillance state, but I propose it and they
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: kind of just turn a blind eye a little bit, unfortunately.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: But that's from my circle. I know there's some counties
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: though who have had sheriffs who have had the chiefs,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: who have said we're ending the contract. So that's just
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: from my small little bubble here.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the civil liberties aspect of it. I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: don't get along with the ACLU very much at all.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I think that it's a far left-wing organization that has
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: forgotten about many constitutional issues. But in this case, I
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: probably would agree with them. I would guess they think
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: this is a civil rights issue where the government is
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: without warrant, without probable cause, tracking us. Again, the argument,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: like I said earlier, is you're in public, you have
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: no right to privacy. That may be true if you're
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: standing on the corner and you're doing some some audit
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: like some of these guys do online. All right, if
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: you're on the sidewalk and I'm walking into Walmart, you
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: can take a video of me, whatever. But for a
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: government agency to have access to every single place I've
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: been since the time I woke up to the time
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I go to bed at night, that seems to me
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to be a broad overreach that we should be protected
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: from via the Fourth Amendment. What are you hearing when
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: it comes to civil liberties and whether the government has
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the right to track us like this?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: So I know it's right now in the Supreme Court case.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the details, but I think that's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: being spoken about and they're hashing through it. Right. In
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: terms of the civil liberties of this, it's really hard
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to say, you know, on a local case again. from
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: all accounts of this, I don't know how in a
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: court case, if someone like myself were to complain about it,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: how this doesn't look like an infringement on the fourth amendment. Now,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the argument against that, and I've heard some CIA spies
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: say this, and a lot of state department people say
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: this because they're big proponents of this. They say in
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: our constitution, it never says the right to privacy. And
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: if we're using, you know, word for word, what it says,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: they do kind of have an argument there because it
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't literally say the right to privacy. It says like
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the right to freedom. And so, you know, when it
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: becomes a thing where we're talking about words here, specific specifics,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it makes it difficult for me to kind of think like, well,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you're just saying that because you want your argument. Are you,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: do you really truly believe that? So it's really hard
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to say because they're just harping on like, well, it
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't actually say that. And I'm just like, come on,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: like in a Supreme court case, It's always, from the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: cases that I've seen, they always rule that privacy is
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: an inherent right.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Well, it is, and anybody arguing against that actually isn't
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: using their brain, I would argue. I'm going to actually
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: put the Fourth Amendment right up on the screen. It's
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: actually very simple. The Fourth Amendment says, very basically, you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: do have those rights, although it doesn't say privacy, but
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the right of the people to be secure in their persons,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that's me, anywhere I go, you can't surveil me, houses, papers,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: violated and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: to be searched and the persons or things to be seized. Now,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the whole word search is the right to privacy. You
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: don't get to search my home unless you've got a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: probable cause or a warrant or exiting circumstances like somebody
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: is being stabbed, you've got to run in and save them.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Other than that, the government doesn't have the right to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: surveil you and to seize your stuff, not even your
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: license without a reason that you pulled me over. So
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I think their argument is really bad. And it sounds
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: like you agree with what I just said. You're right.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: It doesn't say the word privacy, but it is all encompassing.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: If you said, hey, chat GPT, what does the Fourth
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Amendment mean? It would say, well, you have the right
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to have your privacy secured from any government overreach or intervention.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: So I think it's a really lame argument. The good
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: news is not far from where I sit in Bernie, Texas,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Kendall County, There's a case there where I guess somebody
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: who's a county executive or somebody who's in charge was like, yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: we love the flock cameras, but now we might be
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: changing his mind. What do you have on that?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: In Texas? I'm not familiar with that one.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Well, then maybe Sam gave me this. Let me give
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you the case and see if you are familiar with it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: It's right here in Texas. There's a petition around Bernie
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that recently approached 900 signatures. A Kendall County commissioner initially
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: supported the flock cameras, has now reversed his position over
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: privacy concerns, and Burnett County just removed fixed flock cameras.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: after repeated vandalism. And for me, this says that people
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: are starting to wake up. So it sort of goes
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: back to what we talked about earlier. It sounds like
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a good tool. Sounds like we're keeping people safe and secure.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: The kidnapped kid is going to be found quickly. The
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: person who was beaten up in the street, we can
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: find out who it was who did it. I get
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: all that. But now they're waking up to the fact
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that this is 24-7 surveillance. So are there more cases
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: that you've seen since you really got in front of this?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: where there are county commissioners, city council members, mayors, other
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: members of local government that are saying, maybe we didn't
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: think this through very well.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Well, what's great here in the state of Florida is
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: that we do have an election coming up, and it
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: has been a topic that a lot of people have
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: asked the current people that are running for office. You know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: you have a couple of governors, the city councils, everyone
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: right now, you know, they've got all their flags out
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: there saying, vote for me, vote for me on this.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: And some of these people from point blank are asked,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on plot cameras? What are your
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: thoughts on AI? And they've been put in the hot
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: seat because these people, most of them asking the question
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: aren't for this. And right now, the current, like I said,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the current county, the current city, They never had any
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: discussions about this other than what the police told them,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and they kind of agreed with it. I was the
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: first one in my city to bring up the issue.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: So there is a rising tide here, I'd like to say,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: that people are really getting frustrated about it. And if
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: they don't say deflock or get rid of them, I
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: think they're going to be elected out of office.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: What is that website again so people can go and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: see where these cameras are?
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Deflock.com. I think so.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: If you just look up deflock, it'll show up. It's
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: like a bird logo and you'll just see it. You
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: can look up your own address. Just put it in
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and you'll see all the cameras in your neighborhood. And
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I looked up mine and that's where I was like,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: why is there one at a park? Because it shows
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: you where they're aiming. And then they're saying there's now
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: a microphone feature because they want to see if there's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: been an attack. Or if someone's been taken, they can
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: pick up on the audio. That's what they're saying. So
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: now they're capturing our audio the way we speak. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: what are they going to use with that data? I
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: don't know, but that doesn't seem like something I want
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: people to be capturing unless I allow it like we
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: do here.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: No, absolutely right. It's, again, Alessi Alleman. Go and follow
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: him everywhere, Alleman. Over on YouTube, just his first and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: last name, great follow. Let me finish with this. You
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: mentioned the Flock CEO a little while ago. What's his
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: name again?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Garrett Langley.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I think I've seen this guy. He's got a beard, right?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: No, he looks like he's 18, but he's probably in
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: his 20s.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll have to look it up again. I'm pretty
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: sure that I either heard a sound bite or I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: saw a video bite where somebody was saying, this isn't
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: okay what happened in Colorado. This isn't okay with police
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: surveilling women. This isn't okay with fill in the blank
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and everybody has access. And his answer was so surly.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And earlier you mentioned that maybe he's changing his tune
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But he was so surly, he said,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: why is it our problem if they're misusing the tool?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: It's just a tool. That's not on us. It's on
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the people using it. Well, maybe if you put better
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: safeguards on the tool, they couldn't abuse it like this.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: What are you hearing from him now that there's more
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: conversation about this and more people are going to city
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: councils like you did or to county commissions like others
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: are doing? What is he saying? What is the company
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: saying in reaction?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Joe, today he just officially said they are now trying
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to make sure that we are going to flag officers
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: that are misusing the cameras. That is a statement literally
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: made today. So he's realizing there is a whole group
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: of people in the United States and numbers very pissed
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: off and angry about this. And so now he's trying
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: to backtrack some of the statements he made, like the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: whole terrorist statement of people who are showing the deflock.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: He's like, I didn't really mean it like that. So
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: he's completely taking it back. However, I'd like to point
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: out Tommy G, an investigative YouTuber, and Tyler Oliveira did
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: videos on the Flock cameras. And they decided, why don't
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: we put cameras on the Flock employees, you know, for
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: their own security? So they went to the Flock headquarters
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and the Flock headquarters in Atlanta. Guess what? Because it
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: was already well-to-known, they had relocated to another place that
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: was not publicly disclosed. So it looks like they like
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: their privacy. And they went to the employees and filmed
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: them and said, hey, we're just here to protect you.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: We're just here to protect you. Don't worry. Don't worry
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: about anything. We're here to protect you. And then they're
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: doing all these videos. And then all of a sudden,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the people are like, we don't like this. We don't
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable. And it's like, wow, funny. When the shoe's
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: on the other foot, hey?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I think that's awesome. We're only doing it for your safety.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: They always say that for your safety and mine, we're
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: just going to surveil you all day. But they don't
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: want to be surveilled. So obviously, they know that there's
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: a problem with it. I like that they're going to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: add some safeguards. But I would be much happier if,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: like in L.A. County, I believe they're taking the flock
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: cameras down or they're ending the contract. There's no reason
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: to have a private company offer 24-7 surveillance. It sounds
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: like a minority report. It sounds like exactly what you said.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: If they've got my voice and my face and they
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: don't have my permission, why can't they make a video
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of me doing something I didn't do? So, I mean,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: that's where we get into a really sketchy area as
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: good as AI is going. Let me give you the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: last word on this. What should people watching and listening
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: do if they have concerns about flux? Should they go
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: to the city council like you did?
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I'd say email your mayor, email your city council, and
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: also attend it and take the time to give your
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: three minutes that you're given and let them know how
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: concerned you feel. I really want to echo. You can
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: be in Bozeman, Montana, to New York City, to LA.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter your politics in this one. This is bipartisan.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I think most Americans can agree They don't want people
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to infringe on their privacy. So I encourage you, go
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: to those city councils, speak to your mayor, speak to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the city council, and let them hear it because guess what?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: When you come in numbers, it is effective.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Great advice. It's Alessi Alleman, A-L-L-A-M-A-N. Go follow him on YouTube.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: He's a great follow, great storyteller, great investigative guy who's
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: out there finding out stuff about FLOG. That really did
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: bring this to the fore. And Alessi, I appreciate your
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: time as always. Thank you.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: All right, brother. We're back after this. Stay right here.