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Tony Jones on the Utah Jazz getting the 2nd pick in the NBA Draft, Peterson or Dybantsa (?), NBA Playoffs + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: Tony Jones, welcome back to the show. How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I thought you forgot about me?
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  Speaker 3: How could I ever forget about you?
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  Speaker 4: Easy? Not called me for six months?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, Tony, it was was I the one
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  Speaker 2: who abandoned all of my friends in the market.
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  Speaker 3: Was it me who left?
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  Speaker 4: That's crazy? You know what now now I feel a
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  Speaker 4: little survivor's remorse.
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  Speaker 3: No, man, we're all happy for you doing your thing.
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  Speaker 4: But I actually asked him. I actually ran into somebody
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  Speaker 4: that you may know from your UFC days. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if you remember Dave.
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  Speaker 3: Shaler, Yes, of course. Yeah, he's with the seventy six
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  Speaker 3: ers now right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like there, he's like their head. He's basically
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  Speaker 4: like one step down from the from ownership, Like he
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  Speaker 4: has all of the communications. He's resident and communications. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, I basically went the entire year without knowing
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  Speaker 4: that Dave had was was a UFC guy, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: and and and when I realized it, I said, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, my friend out in Salt Lake, you know,
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  Speaker 4: did UFC and he's in radio, Shaun O'Connell, Shawn O'Connell,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, he remembered you like it was yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: you know, started talking about how nice a guy you
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  Speaker 4: were and this and that, and you know, your football
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  Speaker 4: background and everything. And I was like, wow, like the
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  Speaker 4: world is just way too small.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave was like even when he was with the UFC,
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  Speaker 2: he like he was way I'm a I was an
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  Speaker 2: entry level fighter in the UFC, right, and he was
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  Speaker 2: like he had an important gig in the company. But
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  Speaker 2: he was one of those guys who'd never treated anyone
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  Speaker 2: like he was too big. He had real conversations with you,
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  Speaker 2: He learned things about your life. I could not be
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  Speaker 2: more impressed with how he was with guys, even on
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  Speaker 2: the on the totem poles, so to speak. And it
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  Speaker 2: made perfect sense that he got you know, for him,
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  Speaker 2: that was his dream job. I remember when he made
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  Speaker 2: the announcement that he was going back home and he
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  Speaker 2: was doing the uh the seventy six ers thing, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that that makes perfect sense. Good
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  Speaker 2: stuff happens to good people sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, he's really good people. And you know, I
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  Speaker 4: really really enjoyed work, like I really enjoyed working with him.
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  Speaker 4: It's only been one year, but I mean we've we've
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  Speaker 4: made a really good connection, and you know, we worked
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  Speaker 4: together on some important stories. And you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: and I'm I'm blessed to have him in my professional
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  Speaker 4: life for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, next time you see him, tell him I said hello,
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  Speaker 2: because I have only fond memories of interacting with him
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  Speaker 2: during my time with the with the UFC, which didn't
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  Speaker 2: last as long as you know his diad. Anyway, the
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  Speaker 2: big news, and you know what I'm going to ask about.
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  Speaker 2: The big news is that last on Mother's Day, last Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: the NBA Draft lottery yields a number two pick for
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  Speaker 2: the University of Utah. And when I had you on
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  Speaker 2: seventeen hundred months ago, we were talking about how deep
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  Speaker 2: this class was, how guys like aj Debonsa could be
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  Speaker 2: franchise changers. I don't know how much we talked about
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  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson back then, because it was before the season,
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  Speaker 2: Cam Booser, et cetera, et cetera. And now you're in
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  Speaker 2: a position to draft one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Probably going to be Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get to who the specifics of who
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  Speaker 2: it is, how fortuitous is it that the Jazz happened
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  Speaker 2: to be at the top of this particular draft.
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  Speaker 4: I think, and I've said this before and I'll say
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  Speaker 4: that again. I probably it was probably going to be
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  Speaker 4: to the chagrin of the Jazz themselves, but I thought
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  Speaker 4: that if the Jazz got one of the big I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna say three but I really, but I really need
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  Speaker 4: either a j de Banca or Garon Peterson with the
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  Speaker 4: infrastructure that they have, you know, with marketing already in place,
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  Speaker 4: Daron Jackson Junior in place. Uh, they're gonna get Walker
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  Speaker 4: Kessler back with him back and in place with the
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  Speaker 4: death that they've developed in terms of Isaiah Callier uh
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  Speaker 4: in you know, Kyle Philipowski in place with you know,
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  Speaker 4: use of Nurkish back. You know, I think the Jazz
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  Speaker 4: want NRK back and with the with the development of
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  Speaker 4: Keyante George, I thought that if you added either a
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  Speaker 4: j Devanta or Darren Peterson to that mix, the Jazz
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  Speaker 4: have a chance to win a championship. And I I
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  Speaker 4: stand by that and I that you know, I you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that they're going to be a favorite
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  Speaker 4: or anything, but I think they're one feeling to the
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  Speaker 4: group that they're about to put together is winning it all.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, they're gonna have to do some smart
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  Speaker 4: things around the group. They're gonna have to still build
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  Speaker 4: around the group, uh and and do some you know,
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  Speaker 4: do some things to some kind of get themselves in
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  Speaker 4: a position to challenge out of San Antonio or Oklahoma City.
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  Speaker 4: But I think that this team has is going to
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  Speaker 4: have every chance to be a top four team in
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  Speaker 4: the Western Conference next year. And you know, and I
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  Speaker 4: think that it's jarring for people to hear. You know,
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  Speaker 4: somebody say say that about a team that's you know,
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  Speaker 4: struggled for so much. But in this CBA, in this
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  Speaker 4: NBA economy, in this NBA era, you don't have time
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  Speaker 4: to wait. There's no time to wait, like there's no time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, this group is not going to be together
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  Speaker 4: for five years. This group is probably going to have
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  Speaker 4: a three year run at most before finances. Finances mean
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  Speaker 4: a major change somewhere. And obviously as Bailey, I forgot
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  Speaker 4: to mention Ace Bailey, but you know this group is
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  Speaker 4: going to be together to the three years. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: the Jazz don't have time to wait. This roster is
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  Speaker 4: going to get really expensive, really fast, especially whenever they
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  Speaker 4: have to take Deante and but the fact that they're
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  Speaker 4: going to have so much versatility and talent and and
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  Speaker 4: and height and the ability to shoot the ball, and
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  Speaker 4: you're adding either a Da Davanza or or Garon Peterson
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  Speaker 4: to that group, to that infrastructure, this team is ready
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  Speaker 4: to go.
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  Speaker 2: Can I infer from that assertion, and I have heard
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  Speaker 2: you say that before, and I'm glad you reasserted it here.
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  Speaker 2: Can I infer from that that you expect whoever that
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  Speaker 2: is aj or Darren Peterson to then grow into being
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  Speaker 2: a true league superstar, like because you can't win an
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  Speaker 2: NBA championship anymore without one of them, right.
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  Speaker 4: Right? And I agree, you can't win without a one
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  Speaker 4: A guy. And I think that you know, those are
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  Speaker 4: those are those are two one A guys. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we'll see what happens with Cameron Boozer. I happen to
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  Speaker 4: think that he's not going to be a one A guy,
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  Speaker 4: but I think that Ada Demands Darren Peterson are are
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  Speaker 4: both one A guys. So, you know, and the thing
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  Speaker 4: that further enhances their value to the Jazz is that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the Jazz are about to start three seven
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  Speaker 4: footers in their front court. They need a guy who
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  Speaker 4: can be a primary ball handler, and you know that's
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  Speaker 4: going to be Keynte George obviously, and you know, obviously
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  Speaker 4: Isaiah Calier coming off the bench, but it's also going
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  Speaker 4: to be either the Banter or Peterson, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: those guys are going to it probably mutes their utahs
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  Speaker 4: stealing a little bit in the first year because they're
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  Speaker 4: you know, those guys are going to be learning for
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  Speaker 4: by year two and year three. Uh. If those guys
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  Speaker 4: are as good as I think they have a chance
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  Speaker 4: to be, you know, they they're you know, look at
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  Speaker 4: you know, Dylan Harper, what Dylan Harper is doing as
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  Speaker 4: a as a primary ball handler in San Antonio, he's
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  Speaker 4: in his first year. Looking what Stefan Castle is doing
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  Speaker 4: in San Antonio, He's in his second year. So this
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  Speaker 4: is this is not far fetched that these guys become
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  Speaker 4: you know, primary playoff level ball handlers in year one
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  Speaker 4: or year two. And I happened to think the world
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  Speaker 4: of both of their talent talent level, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: and I think when you add you know, that kind
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  Speaker 4: of dynamic talent to what the Jazz already have, I
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  Speaker 4: think they're gonna shoot shoot at the top of the
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  Speaker 4: Western Conference rather quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Jones is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
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  Speaker 2: talk at all Things NBA Basketball upcoming Draft.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: When you hear about the concerns with Darren Peterson, the
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  Speaker 2: first thing people mention is, you know, the cramping the
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  Speaker 2: health issues. But what about his game deserves the most criticism?
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  Speaker 2: Is it the lack of assists?
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  Speaker 4: Is it? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Is it something related to that health where he maybe
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  Speaker 2: you know, didn't push hard enough to get through some
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff, which of course is more perception than reality,
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  Speaker 2: because who knows.
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  Speaker 3: But what about his game deserves the most criticism?
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  Speaker 4: You know, that's a really good question. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'll do think that I do think that he probably
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  Speaker 4: could have been better at the playmaking thing this year.
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  Speaker 4: That being said, I still think that he's a really
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  Speaker 4: good passor. And I mean I didn't think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of you know, the roster Kansas had around him. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, some of the the the passes you know
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  Speaker 4: that went to you know, brick layers in Kansas are
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  Speaker 4: going to be going to Lowry Marketing in Jaron Jackson
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  Speaker 4: Junior and Keyante George and those are going to be assists.
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  Speaker 4: You know. I don't have any concern with the cramping stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I happen to think that, you know, and I could
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  Speaker 4: be wrong with this, but I happen to think that
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  Speaker 4: Darren Peterson just didn't want to be in college last
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  Speaker 4: year and that he thought him of himself as a
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  Speaker 4: pro and you know, basically he was biding his time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't look at him as a durability
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  Speaker 4: issue heading into the NBA, and so you know he
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  Speaker 4: has a durability issue in the NBA. You know, so
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  Speaker 4: I you know, other than that, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he's he's an apex shooter, he's an apex ball handler.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I thought that his his athleticism was clearly
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  Speaker 4: limited last year in Kansas. If you watch his high
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  Speaker 4: school take, it's clearly more explosive off the dribble than
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  Speaker 4: he was at Kansas. You know, he's twenty or however
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  Speaker 4: he is. You know, that's not going to be gone forever.
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  Speaker 4: He'll get that back. And you know I thought that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when I watched him play, I thought that
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  Speaker 4: he was the best American guard propect that I've seen
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  Speaker 4: since Hyrie Irving. So you know, you do with that
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  Speaker 4: as you wish, But you know, I just don't have
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  Speaker 4: that many concerns over you know, what his game is
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  Speaker 4: and in terms of you know, what he's going to
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  Speaker 4: be able to do once to get into NBA's savings.
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  Speaker 2: How should my minds I be looking at the process
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  Speaker 2: of choosing who to draft at number two, and I
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  Speaker 2: guess even by extension, I don't think the Jazz are
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  Speaker 2: going to try to package things and move up. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they're going to want to pay that cost.
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  Speaker 2: But that decision will be I'm sure at least bandied about.
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  Speaker 2: They'll at least have a conversation about it. How should
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  Speaker 2: I be picturing those decisions happening? Because you've got the
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  Speaker 2: ages that are the basketball experts that have been tasked
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  Speaker 2: with running this organization and making the moves necessary to
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  Speaker 2: put this team into a title picture. Eventually, you've got
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Smith, who's got a personal relationship with one of
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  Speaker 2: the top prospects in this draft, who I think had
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  Speaker 2: at least a pie in the sky vision of like
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  Speaker 2: getting this kid for being the number one high school
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  Speaker 2: player in the country to the number one college player
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  Speaker 2: in the country to the number one NBA rookie at
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  Speaker 2: my franchise. Is he gonna walk into the room and say, guys,
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  Speaker 2: it's Aja or Bus, come on do this one for me?
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  Speaker 2: Or are the Angels gonna say, nope, you hired us
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  Speaker 2: to do it our way, get out of the room.
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  Speaker 2: How should Jazz fans be picturing the way that those
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  Speaker 2: conversations and the power balance is going to factor into
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  Speaker 2: the draft.
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  Speaker 4: This is the most fun question you've ever asked me,
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  Speaker 4: because all right, so this is what's actually happening. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they're doing interviews, They're probably gonna have both of those
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  Speaker 4: guys in for workouts. They're going through they're going over
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  Speaker 4: you know, hours and hours to take. You know, they're discussing.
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  Speaker 4: I do believe that Cameron Boozer will be in that
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  Speaker 4: discussion as well. I do believe that Kaylor Wilson will
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  Speaker 4: be in that discussion because I have Taylor Wilson on
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  Speaker 4: the same level as Cameron Boozer. But here's what should
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  Speaker 4: be happening. What should be happening is, you know, those
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  Speaker 4: guys are watching Netflix. They're lighting cigars, Austin names, Danny Ames,
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  Speaker 4: Ryan Smith, Will Hardy, and Justin's Annik. You know, they're
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  Speaker 4: having a slice of pizza, they're having some wings, and
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  Speaker 4: they're sitting back and they're saying, Wow, we get to left.
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  Speaker 4: The Washington Wizards just pick whoever they want to pick,
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  Speaker 4: and we're just gonna take whoever's left. Because that's what
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  Speaker 4: that's what they that's what it is probably gonna ultimately happen. Right,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the Wizards are gonna select between A J.
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  Speaker 4: De Bansa and Darren Peterson, and the Jazz are gonna
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  Speaker 4: take whoever's left out of that because you can't lose
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  Speaker 4: for either one of those guys. You're even getting a
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  Speaker 4: guy who, like I said, is probably the best American
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  Speaker 4: guard prospect that I've seen, Kyrie Irving, or you're getting
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  Speaker 4: Tracy McGrady, which is who I think A J Devaanpa is.
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  Speaker 4: And if you get aj Debanta, he probably instantly, instantly
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  Speaker 4: becomes the third most popular basketball player to ever play
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  Speaker 4: to ever play for the Utah Jazz, behind Malone and Stockton. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: You know when you factor in the fact that you know,
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  Speaker 4: he did his last year of high school and in
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  Speaker 4: Utah he did the year b YU and Utah embrace
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  Speaker 4: the BYU culture, embrace the BYU infrastructure, and now goes
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  Speaker 4: to the Jazz, and I think that he's gonna have
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  Speaker 4: every chance to become an NBA superstar. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's it's it's truly a no lose situation for the
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  Speaker 4: for the Jazz. And I will say this, Uh, I
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  Speaker 4: will say this, I think that Darren Peterson and Ada
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  Speaker 4: de Bamfa are the same level of player. Like, they
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  Speaker 4: do different things, they go about their business differently, but
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  Speaker 4: they're both all NBA level talent, and you know, and
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  Speaker 4: you're not. You're just not differential. There's no different in
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  Speaker 4: the level of talent between one or the other.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Jones for another minute or two here on the
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show. All right, we'll just get to watch
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  Speaker 2: the soap opera as it plays out, very much looking
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  Speaker 2: forward to it, however, way, whichever way it goes, this
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  Speaker 2: current NBA playoff has been fascinating. Oklahoma City looks like
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  Speaker 2: they're the team to beat again. I don't know where
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  Speaker 2: Russ versus Rest becomes a factor with a couple of sweeps.
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  Speaker 2: But who's going to come out of the other Western
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  Speaker 2: Conference series that, of course, we have right here on
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  Speaker 2: ESPN ninety two FM.
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  Speaker 3: Spurs or Wolves.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Wolves are out of gas, so I
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  Speaker 4: think the Spurs are gonna win tonight. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: think the Wolves, you know, did well to get this
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  Speaker 4: series of six games probably could have ended in five,
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  Speaker 4: if you know. San Antonio makes a few plays down
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  Speaker 4: the stretch of of Game four, but I think San
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  Speaker 4: Antonio is gonna win to night, and I think they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna close this out and and you know, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: I think that it's gonna set up uh Spurs in
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  Speaker 4: Oklahoma City, and I think that's gonna be one of
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  Speaker 4: the best series that we've seen in a long long time.
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  Speaker 3: What about in the East? Can the fighting?
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  Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell's get to the Eastern Conference final?
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  Speaker 4: Don I love you? It's the next time, baby, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: let me stop.
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  Speaker 2: Don I love you, but I don't love you as
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  Speaker 2: much as I love the Knicks, is what he really meant.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's I think No, seriously, I would say objectively,
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  Speaker 4: I think this is this is the next year. This
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  Speaker 4: is the next year to get out of the East.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they've you know, I just actually wrote about
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  Speaker 4: this in a piece that's coming out in The Athletic.
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  Speaker 4: If Cleveland wins tonight, we did our you know, serious predictions.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the things that I said is that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there were a lot of there was a
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  Speaker 4: lot of questions about Mike Brown and Tom Thibodeaux and
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  Speaker 4: was this right move, especially when the Knicks were struggling
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  Speaker 4: in late December and early January. But as it turns out,
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  Speaker 4: this is what was happening. You know, Mike was experimenting
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  Speaker 4: with lineups, running, you know, experimenting with combinations. He was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, making his team less helio centric around Jalen Brunton.
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  Speaker 4: And now this team is fresh. Uh, they are a
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: lot more diverse offensively than they were in the playoffs
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: last year because it was like Brunton or bust. You know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: they you know, they've run through the Eastern Conference so far,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: the eight and two. You know, I expect if it's if,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I expect the Knicks to win that next series of
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: five or six games.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, Tony Jones did just use the word heliocentric in
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: a conversation.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: That's why you should be reading his writing.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Listen, man, you gotta put that English degree work. Bro.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: The the NFL schedule release video, how do you grade
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: out your commanders?
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Did they do all right?
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: We did all right? We got the Eagles in Week
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: one at Philadelphia. So guess what I'm going to be.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be at the link, buddy, I'm gonna be
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: at the link and listen. Eagles fan, you cannot fight
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: me because remember I'm your Sixers rider.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: So wait, Are you gonna be there in working capacity
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: or fan capacity?
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be there in fan capacity. But there's gonna
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: be a sign on my head that says I'm your
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Sixers writer. Don't harm me.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're you're gonna be.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be wearing a burgundy jersey. People are gonna
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: want to throw things at you. What does that sign say? Oh,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I don't want to cause head trauma for Tony Jones.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to read his writing.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Yes, he's a Sixers writers from the athletic Honey, don't
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: throw that bottle at him.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: You're a bold man. I don't like I have.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I've only been to one sporting event in Philadelphia, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I was there neutrally. It was just my my younger
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: brother likes to go to games at every NFL stadium,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So we did that one and no horse in the race, no,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: no dog in the fight.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: It was like I was wearing all black and you.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Could still feel the hostility from the Philadelphia fans because
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you weren't overtly rooting for their birds.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, it is absolutely crazy. So you know, it's it's
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: part of what makes Philadelphia such a great sports town.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: And you know, I saw out of post this this
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: year and you know, and it's it's it's something that
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: you know, I want to continue to experience.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Well, it's great catching up with you, my friend. Hopefully
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: life is good in addition to professional life being good,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll see you again soon.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you, my guy, thank you for having me.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Tony Jones of the Athletic He is the Philadelphia seventy
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: six ers insider, but he's also an NBA and sader
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: and beloved here in this market.