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DOUBLE- WIFE- KILLER-COP DREW PETERSON’S BEST BUDDY: I’M CERTAIN THIS GUY KILLED HIS WIFE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, two time wife killer former
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  Speaker 1: police officer Drew Peterson's best friend rats him out quote,
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  Speaker 1: I'm certain this guy killed his wife. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Not one, but two women dead at
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  Speaker 1: the hands of Drew Peterson. One an earlier wife, Kathleen Savio,
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  Speaker 1: found brutally beaten dead. Her cause of death originally was
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  Speaker 1: drowning in a stone, dry bathtub covered in contusions. Then
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  Speaker 1: fourth wife, Stacy Peterson mysteriously goes missing. Recently unearthed statements
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  Speaker 1: by friend Richard Memmes put the nail in the coffin
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  Speaker 1: for Drew Peterson quote, I know this guy murdered his wife.
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  Speaker 1: Well there you go with friends like this, who needs enemies?
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  Speaker 1: Seemingly Drew Peterson had lots of friends within the police department.
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  Speaker 1: After one wife is found beaten dead in a dry
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  Speaker 1: bathtub and the cod is drowning, Really that she slipped
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  Speaker 1: and hit her head up? Oh okay? And then Stacy
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  Speaker 1: Peterson goes missing. What do we know about the case
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  Speaker 1: of Drew Peterson? A police officer that married and divorced
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  Speaker 1: three times. His fourth wife now missing seemingly leaving behind
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  Speaker 1: her home and her children without a trace. That's odd,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it? Still no resolution in the missing person report
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  Speaker 1: of Stacy Peterson with me right now, Drew Peterson's defense
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  Speaker 1: lawyer Joel Brosky, Cold Case Research Institute director Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: New York psychologist doctor Chloe Carmichael, and WSB reporter Robin Wallinsky.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just kick it off with Drew Peterson in his
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  Speaker 1: own words. Now, Stacy Peterson goes missing. According to those
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  Speaker 1: close to her, she desperately wanted a divorce and at
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  Speaker 1: the time she knew his third wife, Kathleen Savio, wasn't
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  Speaker 1: murdered by Drew Peterson. Nobody else knew that. Listen to
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  Speaker 1: what Drew Peterson tells doctor Phil.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there have been many allegations that have been made
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  Speaker 2: against Drew regarding Stacy, and allegation, accusation and whatever you
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  Speaker 2: want to call it. Now, we don't know if Stacy
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  Speaker 2: made these claims, but I have a graphic here with
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  Speaker 2: some of them. First, Stacy's family says, Stacey told Drew
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  Speaker 2: she wanted a divorce shortly before she disappeared. Is that true?
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  Speaker 3: No, she told me she wanted a divorce. And I
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  Speaker 3: hate saying this, but the reality of it. She told
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  Speaker 3: me she wanted to divorce once a month.
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  Speaker 2: So you're saying it varied with her minstral cycle.
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  Speaker 4: Very much so.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to be disrespectful and vying saying
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  Speaker 3: that that was a reality.
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  Speaker 2: There is an allegation or an accusation that Stacy told
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  Speaker 2: a neighbor if anything happened to her it was not
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  Speaker 2: an accident, that Drew had killed her. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: that she actually said that to a neighbor.
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  Speaker 3: I really have to question the credibility of the neighbor
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  Speaker 3: because Stacey and I still, even with her difficulties, we
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  Speaker 3: still had a very romantic relationship. We still were together
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  Speaker 3: a lot, We still spend time condoning that type of
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  Speaker 3: things Drew.
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  Speaker 2: If you had a romantic relationship, if you were still
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  Speaker 2: intimate and affectionate and together with one one another, how
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  Speaker 2: could she disappear and you not dismantle the world looking
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  Speaker 2: for her.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I think
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  Speaker 3: I've done all that I can do and all I
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  Speaker 3: have the resources available to do.
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  Speaker 2: But that defies common sense. I mean, if you were
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  Speaker 2: in love with this woman. Were you in love with
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  Speaker 2: her when she disappeared?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, very much.
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  Speaker 2: So are you in love with her today?
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  Speaker 3: I try to be, but it's I'm having I have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of anger issues about it now that she
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  Speaker 3: took off.
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  Speaker 4: Like she did.
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  Speaker 2: She also said that, and I believe it's the same neighbor.
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  Speaker 2: You probably know better than I that you always called
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  Speaker 2: and checked on Stacy, that you were very attentive and
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  Speaker 2: in fact it got to the point of being controlling,
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  Speaker 2: but that you were always calling to check up on her.
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  Speaker 3: We were always calling each other. Yeah, so I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it was one way thing and I was trying.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't trying to controlling when you have a romantic relationship
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  Speaker 3: with someboda calling them all the time.
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  Speaker 2: So it's also been alleged that Stacy told her sister
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  Speaker 2: that she feared for her life. Do you believe she
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  Speaker 2: said that to her sister? Again, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: And if she was trying to set me up for
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  Speaker 3: some sort of divorce or anything, they might have been
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  Speaker 3: a way to do it.
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  Speaker 2: In that you did have a pattern of calling each
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  Speaker 2: other all the time. Why did you not call her
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  Speaker 2: the day she disappeared?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't, but she there was. She wanted her space.
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  Speaker 3: She wanted her space, so that day I gave.
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  Speaker 4: Her her space.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I said, day one, Kathleen
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  Speaker 1: Savio was murdered, but no law enforcement in that area
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  Speaker 1: insisted she drowned in a stone dry bathtub covered with contusions. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: she must have been a gymnast, naughty, come and eat
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  Speaker 1: you to get those kind of bruises all over her
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  Speaker 1: body from a quote fall in the shower. Everybody turned
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  Speaker 1: the other way until Stacy Peterson went missing. Now we
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  Speaker 1: learn Drew Peterson's best buddy quote, I'm certain this guy
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  Speaker 1: killed his wife, Okay, but nobody paid attention, no one,
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  Speaker 1: And to this day, Stacy Peterson's body has not been found.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about the case? Listen to what
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  Speaker 1: Drew Peterson tells doctor Phil.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever get physical with her? Did you ever
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  Speaker 2: attack her? Did you ever have a physical fight.
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  Speaker 3: There was a physical confrontation where I cornered her in
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  Speaker 3: the kitchen one time and she hit me in the
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  Speaker 3: head with a frozen steak. But I've been a retaliate
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  Speaker 3: or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Because her stepsister says that you threw Stacy down the stairs,
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  Speaker 2: knocked her into the TV and threw her across the room.
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  Speaker 2: That never happened. This never happened, Never happened. Why are
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  Speaker 2: these people saying these things?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Unless they're trying to add some sort of fuel to
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  Speaker 5: the fire. You know what your step brother has said,
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  Speaker 5: right that He says that he helped you move a
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  Speaker 5: blue barrel that was warm to the touch. He told
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  Speaker 5: friends that he thought after the fact that he actually
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  Speaker 5: helped you move her body.
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  Speaker 3: That didn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: Was there a blue barrel? No, did he come over
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  Speaker 2: and help you do anything? Move anything, do anything?
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  Speaker 4: Never day.
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  Speaker 3: I was with him the day before and I was
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  Speaker 3: attempting to get him a job at a grocery store.
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  Speaker 3: He had just lost his job, and he was so
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  Speaker 3: intoxicated or high end something that I had to cancel
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  Speaker 3: the interview and we couldn't file through with it.
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  Speaker 2: So he's not a reliable guy. I would say, No, Well,
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  Speaker 2: the phone records show that you were near the Chicago
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  Speaker 2: Sanitary and Ship Channel the day she went missing. Were
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  Speaker 2: you there?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I was driving through that area.
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  Speaker 2: What were you doing there?
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  Speaker 3: I was looking for in a couple of spots. I
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  Speaker 3: thought that she might be and I was looking for
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  Speaker 3: my car.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that she was driving.
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  Speaker 1: You just heard Drew Peterson talking to doctor Phil our friend.
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  Speaker 1: Regarding a lot of points that are not lost on prosecutors.
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  Speaker 1: My first point would be Cheryl McCollum, director of the
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  Speaker 1: Cole Case Research Institute. Every time I would try somebody
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  Speaker 1: for murder, for anything, for that matter, the defense attorneys
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  Speaker 1: would say, she's just mean because she's on a period.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it doesn't matter what you're doing,
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  Speaker 1: it's because you're on your period. But that's always what
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  Speaker 1: men claim.
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  Speaker 6: Why is that?
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  Speaker 7: Here's what's interesting to me, though, every time she's on
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  Speaker 7: her period, all she asked for is the divoord. She's
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  Speaker 7: not crying, she's not fighting with me. She just wants
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  Speaker 7: to get the hell away from you. So back to
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  Speaker 7: me would be a pattern that he would need to
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  Speaker 7: look at. That it's not because of her period us
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  Speaker 7: away from.
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  Speaker 1: You, you know. To Robin Wellinsky joining me WS the
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter Robin Wilensky that the claims that she wanted
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  Speaker 1: a divorce are overwhelming. But we also know that at
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  Speaker 1: the time she goes missing, she had been boxing up
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  Speaker 1: Drew Peterson's possessions to kick him out and stacking them
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  Speaker 1: up in the garage.
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  Speaker 6: Robin, Yeah, Nancy, she totally wanted out of this marriage.
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  Speaker 6: He's got a very very long history of four wives,
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  Speaker 6: all who had their period, all who really wanted away
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  Speaker 6: from him. His first wife, Carol was very six years
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  Speaker 6: she claimed he was a cheater. They got divorced. And
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  Speaker 6: there was Vicki, who said that he was abusing her
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  Speaker 6: and threatening her allegations, of course, and she told police,
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  Speaker 6: you know, after Stacy disappeared, that Peterson threatened to kill
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  Speaker 6: her and make it look like an accident. And oh,
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  Speaker 6: then there was Kathleen, who he was married to for
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  Speaker 6: eleven years, who mysteriously dies in a dry bathtub. I
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  Speaker 6: was there, by the way, the day they dug her
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  Speaker 6: up at the cemetery. And then of course there's Stacy,
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  Speaker 6: who was only nineteen and Drew was what forty nine,
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  Speaker 6: and she wanted far away from him, period or not.
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  Speaker 1: It broke my heart speaking to Vicki and her daughter
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  Speaker 1: learning about life with Drew Peterson. But that's a whole
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  Speaker 1: other can of worms. Doctor Chloe Carmichael, New York psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: joining me, founder of anxietytools dot Com. Doctor Chloe. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: it true statistically, when women that have been abused try
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  Speaker 1: to leave the relationship or get pregnant, that's the highest
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  Speaker 1: incidence of their murders.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, of course that's absolutely true, because what that
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  Speaker 8: does is it provokes anger on the part of the
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  Speaker 8: person that they're attempting to leave, which is why I
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  Speaker 8: actually think it's.
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  Speaker 9: Very interesting that this gentleman said that he was actually
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  Speaker 9: very angry with her.
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  Speaker 8: He said that he was angry because she.
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  Speaker 9: Left, which may have even been what she was planning
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  Speaker 9: to do. But of course we don't know that she left,
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  Speaker 9: and really neither does he, and so it's very unusual
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  Speaker 9: for someone whose spouse is missing to suddenly just say
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  Speaker 9: that they're angry with the person for leaving, because anger
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  Speaker 9: puts more distance between us, and when you genuinely missed
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  Speaker 9: your spouse and didn't want them gone, it's actually difficult
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  Speaker 9: to even connect with any feelings of anger, even if
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  Speaker 9: they're appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, Will Stacy Peterson's body be found?
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  Speaker 1: Law enforcement is convinced they know the area of water
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  Speaker 1: where she is, So what's the hold up? Can we
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  Speaker 1: get a resolution to this case? This in light of
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  Speaker 1: Drew Peterson's best buddy, stating quote, I'm certain this guy
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  Speaker 1: killed his wife. What do we know about Drew Peterson's
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  Speaker 1: wives and their deaths? With me right now? You know
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  Speaker 1: his name very well, renowned Chicago defense attorney Joel Brodsky.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just say this isn't our first time in the
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  Speaker 1: boxing ring. Joel Brosky defending Drew Peterson at trial his
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  Speaker 1: longtime defender, Joel Brodsky, what now, hold a minute. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen many a photo of Drew Peterson and for him
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  Speaker 1: to say the only physical incident they ever had was
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  Speaker 1: when she Stacey hit him in the head with a
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  Speaker 1: frozen steak?
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  Speaker 4: How she do that?
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  Speaker 1: Stand on a ladder he towers over her?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he would. That was his position was.
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  Speaker 10: He never was physical, cleve violent with any of his wives,
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  Speaker 10: and he would always his excuse always was that, well,
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  Speaker 10: if if I, as a police officer, committed domestic battery,
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  Speaker 10: I lose my job.
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  Speaker 4: So I would never do that.
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  Speaker 10: But you know, Drew was a you know, trained, trained,
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  Speaker 10: swat train army officer. You know, if he wanted to
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  Speaker 10: resort to violence, he could you do it in a
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  Speaker 10: way that wouldn't leave marks. He was an expert at that,
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  Speaker 10: you know, from the all the training in the department
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  Speaker 10: and the army that he had.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I've I know that there was with Kathy.
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  Speaker 4: I know that there was evidence of some physical altercations.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing you know, we are you.
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  Speaker 1: Sure know how to put perfume on the pig. What
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  Speaker 1: do you mean by physical altercations with Kathleen's sophomore there
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  Speaker 1: was later found dead, drowned dead in the dry bathtub.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean physical altercation? You mean he beat
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  Speaker 1: her up?
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  Speaker 10: No, they had a fight that was on Actually it
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  Speaker 10: was on videotape.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, Stacy actually taped it.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 10: You know, Cathy was very you know, very Island vivacious.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, she wouldn't back down from anything. So they
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  Speaker 10: they went at it, but Drew was obviously so much
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  Speaker 10: physically stronger. He pinned her to the ground and then
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  Speaker 10: the police came and charged them both with battery kind
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  Speaker 10: of cross charges. But you know there was no evidence
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  Speaker 10: of him ever by breaking bones or or causing bloody
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  Speaker 10: noses or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, well White, hold on, just Cheryl McCollum, have
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  Speaker 1: I lost my mind? I mean, Cheryl, you know that
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  Speaker 1: for nine years. I volunteered at the Battered Women's Center
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  Speaker 1: at night when I was prosecuting. Do you hear Joel
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  Speaker 1: Brodsky still defending Drew Peterson. Uh, he says, well, there
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  Speaker 1: was never a broken bone, but oh yeah, he pinned
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  Speaker 1: her to the ground. That was caught on video. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be a cold a in h eble al. My
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  Speaker 1: husband pins me to the ground and the police are
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  Speaker 1: not called. Okay, that ain't gonna happen, Cheryl. What happened?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I went down the rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 7: Here's the deal. The devil takes many forms, and the
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  Speaker 7: reality is a nineteen year old girl was married to
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  Speaker 7: a forty nine year old man. Yeah, and that was
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  Speaker 7: nothing about but control. And he abused his money with her,
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  Speaker 7: his emotions with her, his sex with her, his physical
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  Speaker 7: being with her. There's no doubt that every one of
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  Speaker 7: his four wives was abused in some way. Drew was
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  Speaker 7: not about to let anybody get his money. Well, they
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  Speaker 7: weren't no touch his retirement.
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  Speaker 1: Drook it okay, Jumpian.
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  Speaker 10: Joel Drew was very controlling, very control. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 10: no question he was very controlling of all his wife.
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  Speaker 10: They all said that he would monitor them electronically follow them.
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  Speaker 1: All right, you mean the GPS tracker I've got my
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  Speaker 1: husband is wrong? Just kidding, Okay, that's not true. Why
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  Speaker 1: did I say that, Joel Broski? But what is the
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  Speaker 1: defense for Drew Peterson? His wife Stacy just goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: And another thing that he said we just heard him
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  Speaker 1: tell doctor Phil was the brother in law was a drinker.
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  Speaker 1: He was this was that that didn't happen. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: help him get rid of Stacy's body in a blue cooler.
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  Speaker 1: But they were caught on video together. Yeah, that night
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  Speaker 1: driving through a Starbucks. So the night Stacy goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: So how can he say they weren't together. I've watched
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  Speaker 1: the video.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the video.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think that was before he gave that interview,
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  Speaker 10: before he charges had been brought, so.
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  Speaker 4: He had never seen the video at that point. He
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  Speaker 4: didn't know they had that of it.
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  Speaker 1: Joel, you know what you should consider professional dancing? Because
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  Speaker 1: you just danced around. I'm gonna call it dancing with
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  Speaker 1: the stars. You need to be there, buddy, Joel, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't ask you. Did the Starbucks video come to light
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  Speaker 1: after his statement to doctor Phil. If you're just saying, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he lied because he didn't know about the video. That's
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, he obviously lied because he didn't know he
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  Speaker 10: was he had been caught. You know, if you knew
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  Speaker 10: about the video, he would have altered the story in
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  Speaker 10: some way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure made up a different line. Julie, how do
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  Speaker 1: you stand yourself? Help me out.
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  Speaker 10: I'm trying not to use such direct language, but yeah,
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  Speaker 10: I'm sure he wouldn't have said that if you knew
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  Speaker 10: that there was evidence of the contrary. But you know,
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  Speaker 10: Drew was building, was, you know, making this trying to
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  Speaker 10: tell a consistent story about what happened to Stacy, to
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  Speaker 10: keep with that his position that she ran away.
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  Speaker 4: That was his story from day one, that she ran
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  Speaker 4: off with some other guys.
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  Speaker 1: That's true, Joe, He's never wavered in his story. Robin
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  Speaker 1: Willnski w SB. Let's start at the beginning. We know
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  Speaker 1: she married him when she's nineteen, he's forty something. What
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  Speaker 1: happened around the time of Stacy's disappearance as right now today,
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  Speaker 1: she has never been seen again. The theory of Drew
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  Speaker 1: Peterson and his lawyer with us right now, high profile
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  Speaker 1: lawyer out of Chicago, Joel Broski is that she took
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  Speaker 1: off to be with her boyfriend. So what happened? Tell
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  Speaker 1: me the advents around her disappearance, Roberts.
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  Speaker 6: She was very angry, she wanted out of the marriage.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, the one thing we have not mentioned
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  Speaker 6: so far Nancy, is the fact that that she was
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  Speaker 6: so Stacey was super petitue and she could have fit
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  Speaker 6: in that barrel very easily. And there were reports at
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  Speaker 6: the time when I was down in Bowling Brooks that
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  Speaker 6: he had access to a small plane, and there was
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  Speaker 6: one theory that the bowling Brook Police and detectives were
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  Speaker 6: working on at the time that he had flown the
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  Speaker 6: plane and that he could have dropped the barrel into
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  Speaker 6: a forest area. And there were many searches at the
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  Speaker 6: time looking for that barrel. It had never been found
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  Speaker 6: in the forest, never been found in any body of water.
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  Speaker 6: But she clearly, Nancy could have fit in that barrel.
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  Speaker 6: They had a very tumultuous relationship. She wanted out and
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  Speaker 6: the next thing you know, she disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: She disappeared and has never been seen again. FYI, right
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  Speaker 1: now we know that money has run dry and Stacy's
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: sister has actually launched an effort to raise money on
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: a GoFundMe site to continue the search for Stacy Peterson's body.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Her sister, also like me, believes that Stacy is dead.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Go to go fund me and look for help me
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: bring Stacy Peterson home. Help me bring Stacy Peterson home
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: at go fund me. Now what we do know now,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Joel Brosky, his defense lawyer, is not going to admit
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to this for Former Okay, is that his brother in law,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: apparent from one of his other marriages, showed up, was
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: called over to Peterson's home that night and helped him
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: carry a very heavy blue cooler out that was warm
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to the touch. And to this day that brother in law,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: who later tried to commit suicide, says he think thinks
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: he unwillingly helped dispose of Stacy's body. Her disappearance and
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: or death still unresolved. Will there ever be justice for
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Stacy Peterson? This as Former caught Drew Peterson, her then husband,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: best friend says, I'm certainly killed his wife. Okay, I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: am too. Let's find a body and prosecute him. Just
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: a thought, are you listening? Are you listening, District attorney?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Just a thought? How about getting some justice for Stacy
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Peterson and her children. Will there be justice for Stacy Peterson.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Gray's crime stories, signing
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,