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Ep. 488: My Wild Adventures Hunting Washington DC Whitetails with Taylor Chamberlain · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the
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  Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today in the show, we are exploring
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  Speaker 1: the highs, lows, and lessons learned from my first experience
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  Speaker 1: bow hunting white tails in the suburbs of Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 1: With the one and only Taylor Chamberlain. All Right, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by
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  Speaker 1: First Life, and today, as I just mentioned, we are
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  Speaker 1: going to dive into my hunt earlier this year in Washington,
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  Speaker 1: d C. Yep, that's right. I was out there hunting
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhoods the suburbs of our nation's capital, and
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  Speaker 1: I was out there with Taylor Chamberlain, who I will
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  Speaker 1: give you some more details on here shortly, but first
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  Speaker 1: let's recap what this hunt was all about. You likely
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  Speaker 1: maybe if you listen to some of our past episodes,
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  Speaker 1: you might understand what I've been up to this fall.
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  Speaker 1: But let me recap just in case you missed those. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm filming a new show for me either this year
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  Speaker 1: that is about white tail honey across the country and
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  Speaker 1: the different unique traditions and styles and cultures of pursuing
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  Speaker 1: these critters that we all love, but in wildly different
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  Speaker 1: places and in wildly different ways across the country. And
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  Speaker 1: the first of those was this d C hunt. Now
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  Speaker 1: I'm filming this year. The show is going to come
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  Speaker 1: out next year. Um, I'm four episodes in at this point,
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  Speaker 1: and now I want to kick off this recap series
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  Speaker 1: of podcasts where I'm gonna go through each one of
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  Speaker 1: those hunts with the special guests that I visited with,
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  Speaker 1: with some of my camera crew that was out there
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  Speaker 1: with me, and recap what I did, what we experience
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  Speaker 1: into these different places, what I learned along the way, um,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know how the hunts themselves went. And
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing about this year. This year has really
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  Speaker 1: been about learning. Uh. For a long time, I've been
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  Speaker 1: doing this podcast, and I've I've traveled a decent bit, right,
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  Speaker 1: but but most of my stuff is in the Midwest.
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  Speaker 1: Most of my stuff is you know, your standard tree,
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  Speaker 1: standard tree saddle hunting, you know, figuring out how deer
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  Speaker 1: relating to agricultural land, YadA, YadA, YadA. And that's great,
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  Speaker 1: that's fun. I love doing that. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of different other ways out
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  Speaker 1: there that people are hunting, and I know there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of you listening who come from different regions of
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  Speaker 1: the country, and you've probably been listening to these shows
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  Speaker 1: and thinking to yourself, Man, yeah, that's interesting, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not like what I do here at home, or it's
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  Speaker 1: not like the deer I hunt here, or it's not
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  Speaker 1: like this other place I go. And I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: try to put myself in a better position where I
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  Speaker 1: could understand where you're coming from, where I could understand
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  Speaker 1: and have some degree of context, some experience that would
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  Speaker 1: help me relate better to folks that are hunting in
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  Speaker 1: the cities, or help me relate better to people that
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  Speaker 1: hunt in the South, or help me understand what folks
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  Speaker 1: are up against hunting up in the Upper Northeast or
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  Speaker 1: these different parts of the country. So so that's why
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  Speaker 1: I did what I did this year. That's why I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to take on this new project. And the gist
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  Speaker 1: of each episode is this, I go to some different,
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  Speaker 1: unique region and I meet with an expert in hunting
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  Speaker 1: in that place and explore both the culture of this
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  Speaker 1: location and this unique way that this expert hunts. So
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  Speaker 1: in this first episode, this first story, I'm gonna tell
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  Speaker 1: you guys, it's all about hunting in the suburbs. It's
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  Speaker 1: all the hunting in cities. It's about bow hunting and
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  Speaker 1: tight quarters in neighborhoods, surrounded by people, and a guy
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  Speaker 1: who's really made a name for himself, and that is
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Chamberlain. Taylor lives outside of d C. He has
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  Speaker 1: star did a really popular YouTube series. He has you know,
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  Speaker 1: has got a podcast. He's got a social media handle
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  Speaker 1: where you can follow along and learn everything he's doing
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  Speaker 1: out there hunting deer almost every day of the year
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  Speaker 1: and getting it done in tough situations. So he was
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  Speaker 1: a guy who right away, when I decided that I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to learn how people hunt in these city environments,
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  Speaker 1: he was the guy knew I had to go talk to.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we did. In early October. I
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  Speaker 1: flew out there to Virginia, met up with Taylor and
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  Speaker 1: UH and had a heck of a hunt. So today
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  Speaker 1: that's the story I want to share with you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to to hopefully pass along some lessons learned here.
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  Speaker 1: There's some things I learned there's some strategy elements that
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get into. We're to discuss, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: to get permission on properties like this. We're gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: about how to actually find deer in these places, how
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  Speaker 1: to hunt deer without spooking him, some tips on shooting deer,
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  Speaker 1: recovering deer, a lot of different practical things like that,
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  Speaker 1: and then also discussed some of the maybe less expected
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  Speaker 1: um elements they go into this kind of hunt. So
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting. I'll tell you what. I have been on
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  Speaker 1: the road almost NonStop since October. Um. I haven't been
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  Speaker 1: home for more than about a week. Otherwise it's been go, go, go,
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  Speaker 1: gone for a week, home for a week, gone for
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  Speaker 1: a week, home for a week, gone for two weeks,
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  Speaker 1: home for a week. Uh. So I am absolutely tanked.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been so worn out and
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  Speaker 1: exhausted from a season of hunting. But I'm hoping that
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  Speaker 1: the end result, these stories, these experiences, this show that
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  Speaker 1: we're putting together. I hope that this end product is
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  Speaker 1: something that you guys are really gonna enjoy and they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be able to learn from. And uh, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be worth the long days and nights out there. So
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  Speaker 1: without further ado, let's get to it. I I've got
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Chamberlain here with me, and I also have Justin Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: who is one of my cameramen on this shoot. He's
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  Speaker 1: been on some of our past episodes too, so you'll
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  Speaker 1: probably recognize him. Hope you enjoy it. Here we go
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  Speaker 1: all right with me on the show today. I have
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  Speaker 1: my partners in crime from the recent adventure of sorts
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  Speaker 1: on my Washington, d C. Suburbs. So I'm here Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Chamberlain and Justin Michelle. Taylor, Justin, thanks for getting back
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  Speaker 1: on here with me, hey man, thanks for you know,
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  Speaker 1: we have two careful saying partners in crime when we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about urban hunting. It's a good point committed in
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  Speaker 1: the urban hunting this that we did, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: that that kind of I was gonna say, it's like
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  Speaker 1: a little too close, yeah man, but you're you're skipping
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  Speaker 1: right to the ending, Justin um Man. But but yes,
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  Speaker 1: that is a really good way to set this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing up, because this was a memorable hunt in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different ways, both from the hunting and some
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  Speaker 1: of the extracurricular activities that happened throughout uh and and
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  Speaker 1: a number of other things. So what I was hoping
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  Speaker 1: you guys could help me do here it is recap
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  Speaker 1: kind of the whole story of the week, what we did,
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  Speaker 1: what we learned. Taylor. I'm hoping we can kind of
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  Speaker 1: dive into some of the how to stuff that you
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  Speaker 1: were sharing with me that I found really helpful. Um
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  Speaker 1: justin I'm hoping you can kind of help fact check
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  Speaker 1: me and help me as we walk through the story
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  Speaker 1: of our kind of are are on our own hunts
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  Speaker 1: and kind of layout lay out the journey, lay out
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  Speaker 1: this crazy experience that was my first real suburban, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in a big city hunting experience. So that's that's the
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  Speaker 1: game plan. Are you guys down for that? Yeah? That
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  Speaker 1: sounds great man. And first off, thank you for coming
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  Speaker 1: to the bourbs and uh getting to experience it, because
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  Speaker 1: I really feel like you can speak to this. But
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  Speaker 1: you get an idea of what it's like. And even
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  Speaker 1: if you watch you know, some of my videos, some
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  Speaker 1: of the content that's out there, or you're even stuff
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  Speaker 1: where it's not revolving around me hunting, just urban hunting
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  Speaker 1: in general, you kind of get an idea about what
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  Speaker 1: it's like, but then to experience it is totally different.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that's a fair and accurate statement? Oh dude,
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  Speaker 1: it is so so true, so true, because what you
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  Speaker 1: see on the videos, what you see is nothing but
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  Speaker 1: well not entirely, but it's mostly just like the the
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  Speaker 1: simple fun part, the sitting in the tree, the watching
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  Speaker 1: the deer, the shooting deer. Um. What you don't see
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  Speaker 1: when you watch videos like yours or Seque or anyone
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  Speaker 1: else like that is all the work are on the edges,
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  Speaker 1: all the relationship building, all of the dealing with all
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  Speaker 1: the different weird logistical challenges, um, all the different pressures
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  Speaker 1: that the suburban environment puts on you. Um. The the
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  Speaker 1: feeling is just entirely different than you can pick up
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  Speaker 1: in a TV show, and entirely different than you know,
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  Speaker 1: I could even imagine going into it. Would you justin
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  Speaker 1: is that? Would you agree with that? Being another guy
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  Speaker 1: that was new to this, Yeah, absolutely, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm used to. You know, it's always a little
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  Speaker 1: bit nerve racking trying to gain permission places, and but
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  Speaker 1: you know, doing it and farmland where it kind of
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  Speaker 1: feels like home. Um, you know, it definitely gives you
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a different approach. But yeah, just rolling
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  Speaker 1: into the city and and uh, just realizing like this
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  Speaker 1: is where we're gonna hunt, it just felt like extremely wrong,
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  Speaker 1: definitely different. Um, So here here I'll set I'll set
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  Speaker 1: the stage for what our plan was going into the week.
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  Speaker 1: The idea was this, we were gonna show up me
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  Speaker 1: justin the other camera guy Chase, who couldn't be with
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  Speaker 1: us here tonight, and we were gonna arrive meet up
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  Speaker 1: with you Taylor in like the on in the National
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  Speaker 1: mall right, downtown Washington, d C. Spended on half a
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  Speaker 1: day or a day kind of just picking your brain
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  Speaker 1: about how you got into this kind of hunting and
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  Speaker 1: why you love suburban hunting, and you know, just just
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  Speaker 1: kind of a deep dive into the whole world and
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  Speaker 1: culture of this way of getting outside and doing stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And then from there we're going to spend I think
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  Speaker 1: it was a half day where plan was to actually
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  Speaker 1: go out and do a hunt with you. So I
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  Speaker 1: was going to tag along with you, follow along, see
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  Speaker 1: what you do, understand what your gears you use, how
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  Speaker 1: you handle you know, getting into a property. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go and chat with a landowner about this whole situation
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  Speaker 1: and what they thought about meeting with you and all that.
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  Speaker 1: And then after that whole kind of set up period
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  Speaker 1: where I was learning from you and chatting with the
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  Speaker 1: landowners and kind of getting my head wrapped around this
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  Speaker 1: whole idea, then I was going to have three days
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  Speaker 1: to go hunt on my own and try to figure
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing out. And oh, by the way, also
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  Speaker 1: try to get my own permission by knocking on doors too.
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  Speaker 1: So that was that was the plan for the week. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we showed up that first day. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: there's much worth touching on on that first day where
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  Speaker 1: we kind of toured downtown. It was fun to get
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  Speaker 1: to kind of see I hadn't been to Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 1: Since I was a little kids, so it's fun to
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  Speaker 1: see everything again. I think the most notable thing was
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  Speaker 1: that Taylor, you and me sat down on some benches
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  Speaker 1: to do an interview and all of a sudden, You're like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: what is that stench? And we looked down and like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: someone's been pissing all over these benches. That's what stands
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  Speaker 1: out to me about that day. Yes, that was fun.
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  Speaker 1: When we sat down, it was pretty obvious that we
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  Speaker 1: were sitting in a homeless person's restrooms. So that's never fun.
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  Speaker 1: In downtown. It's always kind of cool to to like
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  Speaker 1: see d C proper and and walk around and kind
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  Speaker 1: of realized like the history and the power that reside
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  Speaker 1: in d C. And we got to see a Netflix
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  Speaker 1: special being filmed too, But other than that, not much memorable. Now.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people that come in from out of
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  Speaker 1: down Uh, they see these surprised by the topography of
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  Speaker 1: northern Virginia d C, like the metropol are I was
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  Speaker 1: expected to see, like the rolling hills or was it?
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  Speaker 1: Did you do extract something different? No, I would agree
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  Speaker 1: with that. I was especially you know, we saw downtown
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  Speaker 1: and then we crossed the river into Virginia and started
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  Speaker 1: driving almost immediately into some very deery looking spots. Like
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  Speaker 1: right away, I was like, oh, now I can understand
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  Speaker 1: why deer would be here. And you're right. It was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of rolling hills, really kind of steep, thick ravines,
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  Speaker 1: lots of good cover um and and yeah, just a
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  Speaker 1: ton of nooks and crannies and crevices where you could
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  Speaker 1: see deer houlding up and living. Um. Would you agree
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  Speaker 1: with that, Justine, Yeah, for sure, it was. It was
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  Speaker 1: right away I could see there being deer. And what
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  Speaker 1: that first I guess is that afternoon, I think we
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  Speaker 1: went and we went and chatted with one of the
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  Speaker 1: homeowners that you hunt on her property. We kind of
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  Speaker 1: picked her brain about, you know, how dear have become
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  Speaker 1: a problem for her, why she was interested in having
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  Speaker 1: someone come hunt her land. Um, Taylor, is there anything
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  Speaker 1: on that front that maybe is worth kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: let me take a step back here. We kind of
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  Speaker 1: jumped right into the story, but one thing we didn't
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  Speaker 1: really cover was why this kind of hunting is is
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  Speaker 1: important or why is it worth considering? Um? And I'm curious,
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  Speaker 1: I think of this because when we went and chatted
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  Speaker 1: with this landowner, you know, she was sharing with us
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  Speaker 1: how she was experiencing this problem with there being too
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  Speaker 1: many deer in her area and why someone like you
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  Speaker 1: helping out was a service to her. So I'd be
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  Speaker 1: curious if Taylor, you could expand on you know, how
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  Speaker 1: hunting in urban areas like this can help solve other
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  Speaker 1: people's problems. But then also can you give us a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of your spiel on why you like doing
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  Speaker 1: this so much like why is this also a great
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  Speaker 1: thing or hunter? Yeah? Well so, um, you know the
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  Speaker 1: dear present difference different individuals based on you know, those
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  Speaker 1: individuals certain circumstances and and uh kind of outlook on everything.
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  Speaker 1: But generally speaking, our area has an insane overpopulation and
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  Speaker 1: white tailed deer and to the point where they're unable
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  Speaker 1: to quantify how bad the overpopulation is. So the average
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  Speaker 1: carrying capacity according to the state biologists, of how many
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  Speaker 1: gears should be in our area, because I mean we
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  Speaker 1: have relatively like mediocre hardwoods, right, there's really there's no
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  Speaker 1: agg there's no supporting brows other than just woody brows
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  Speaker 1: and um in landscaping, which we can touch on later.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean basically, the caring capacity in our area
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  Speaker 1: is ten twelve deer per square um, so many deer
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  Speaker 1: that when they do a study they can't count them.
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  Speaker 1: They're getta mixed up. It literally looks like you kick
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  Speaker 1: the ant hill and their best guests is that there
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  Speaker 1: are four and twenty four mile so you know you
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  Speaker 1: had met bowling hills and gets and that's exactly right
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  Speaker 1: there their pockets where there are just so many deer.
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  Speaker 1: It's insane and they are eating everything. They've decimated their
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  Speaker 1: brows to the point where if you get down and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys even noticed this or
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  Speaker 1: we kind of talked about it, but if you get
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  Speaker 1: down at like five ft six ft or four ft
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  Speaker 1: even and you look, you can see as far as
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  Speaker 1: the topography will let you. Because the deer of eating
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  Speaker 1: everything that they're able to get their mouths on, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's palatable or not. Um So they destroy landscaping. They
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  Speaker 1: cause a lot of issues with you know, people wanting
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  Speaker 1: to plant stuff. You really can't plant anything, uh, And
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  Speaker 1: they cause a huge danger two motorists and people on
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  Speaker 1: the on the roadways. So why is that great for
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  Speaker 1: bow hunters. Well, we've taken mediocre habitat and with urban sprawl,
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  Speaker 1: we've replaced it with lush, fertilized grass and landscaping and
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  Speaker 1: stuff the stars can eat on. And we've taken away
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing air quotes now, but a traditional hunting habitat,
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  Speaker 1: and we've replaced it with these subdivisions and homewers associations.
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  Speaker 1: And because of that, people are not comfortable hunting in
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  Speaker 1: those environments, and it really creates a lot of hunting
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  Speaker 1: opportunity and a very target rich environment. Hence the former
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  Speaker 1: in twenty plus deer for a square mile for people
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  Speaker 1: that want to climb a tree and shoot stuff with
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  Speaker 1: a bow and arrow. So, is there a lot of
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  Speaker 1: red tape a on it? Absolutely? Is there a lot
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  Speaker 1: of barriers to entry and you know laws that you
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  Speaker 1: need to read through and kind of navigate these land
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  Speaker 1: mines through. However, if you do it, you are rewarded
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  Speaker 1: with an endless dear season where you can hunt three
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  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five days a year and shoot as
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  Speaker 1: many antler lists dear as you want. And um, the
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  Speaker 1: absolute icing on the cake for me is like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a big guy, but even I can't eat all the
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  Speaker 1: deer that I shoot in the year. And so we're
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  Speaker 1: able as hunters to take these deer and feed the
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  Speaker 1: homeless with them and you know, just take them to
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  Speaker 1: a butcher, drop them off the butcher process of them.
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  Speaker 1: There's no fee to the hunter, and that food goes
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  Speaker 1: to food banks and people in needs. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: really fantastic use of overabundant resource to help people that
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  Speaker 1: need it. Yeah, it's it's like you said, it's a
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  Speaker 1: win win, it's a win for hunters, it's a wind
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  Speaker 1: for landowners, it's a wind for the habitat out there.
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  Speaker 1: It's a win for the dear population to become at
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  Speaker 1: least hopefully a little bit in more in balance. Um So,
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  Speaker 1: so let's rewind back to where I kind of was
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  Speaker 1: triggered this idea, which was going to this homeowner's place,
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  Speaker 1: and we visited with this gale, this this this woman
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  Speaker 1: and her husband, and kind of heard their story and
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  Speaker 1: this set up kind of paint a picture. Is just
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  Speaker 1: a really nice, really nice big home with a couple
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  Speaker 1: acre grassy yard, and these folks probably owned I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what is it, three acres, maybe Taylor something like that,
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  Speaker 1: with maybe two acres or acre and a half yard
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and then an acre and a half of woods kind
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: of edging around it, kind of dropping down a little
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: point um and they had I don't know, there were
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: some oak trees, there was some landscaping. While we were
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: up there talking to the owners, there were deer feeding
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: in the yard on I can't remember what they're feeding them,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: but they're feeding on something. Um that kind of place,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a big yard, a little bit of woods
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: butting up into a little bit larger section of kind
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of scattered timber and stuff. Is that kind of the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: average kind of place you hunt, Taylor, Or if not,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: can you kind of paint a picture for people of
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the types of places that you might hunt in a
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: suburban environment like this? Absolutely, so that that piece of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: property was uh and in the du shell exactly like
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: my typical standard property. So in northern Virginia, pretty much
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: every bit of developable land has been developed. There are
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: no pieces or I'm never gonna say never, but there
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: are very few, if any pieces of ground that are
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: subdividable to the point where you can build out houses
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: on them. Basically farms or properties that you would want
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to seek out and hunt the areas that are left
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: over our areas that are undevelopable. So the property that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: we were hunting had a point that dropped down into
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: some woods that that property owner doesn't own, but a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: lot of deer bed in there and come up into
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: their field. Well, there's a big creak in there, and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: that's why you can't build houses there. So that's a
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: very typical property that I hunt. Or maybe like a
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: creek bottom or a floodplaine that's between a bunch of houses.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And if you kind of look at an aerial map
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and look from like a fifteen thousand foot view, you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: can start to see these floodplains and see these these
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: undeveloped areas between all these houses. And and for a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: guy like me who's been doing this for a long time,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you can, to me, that looks like a road map, right,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: That's where I'm seeing deer movement, and those are the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: areas that I'm keying in on hunting a bunch. And
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: that's my kind of standard area. So a yard or
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: some some little trunk of timber that backs into a
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: cree bottom or you know, somewhat goes into places of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: where deer would bed or travel or feed. And at
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, like that's what deer are
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: doing their betting for security. They're traveling and they're eating, right,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and they're not going to be in places that they
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: can't do that uninterrupted or or somewhat um without the
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: ability to move somewhat freely. Yeah. So so let's stive
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: in that a little bit further, Taylor, Because that first
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: day we showed up at this person's house, we chatted
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: for a while, and then we came back the next
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: day to do this hunt. And as we were basically
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you were gonna hunt, I was going to fall behind
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you and climb up in a tree with you and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: just watch what you do and kind of pick your
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: brand and all those things. As we are going through
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: all that, you kind of ran through a couple key
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: concepts are like really really important things that are unique
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to hunting in suburban environments. Um, can you kind of
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: walk us through what you think those very most important
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: things are when it comes to hunting in an urban
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: environment like this? Like what stood out to me. I'm
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: just to put a couple of things in your radar.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe you've got some other things you want to mention,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: But you kept talking about the bubble. You were describing
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: something as the bubble and how important it was not
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: to go inside the bubble. So that would be something
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I'd love to hear you talk about a little bit more.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And then another thing that stuck with me was you
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: continued you constantly discussed and talked about how deer within
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: these areas kind of move like water flows through a stream.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And and that was helpful for me as I was
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: thinking about where should I set up in these kinds
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: of zones, or how should I think about how deer
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: will move between this yard and that yard and this
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: clearing in this thicket. Um, those are two things that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: stood out to me. Could you expand on those two?
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: And then if you remember any of the other important
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: things that we walked through on that first kind of
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: trial run um kind of the main most important how
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: twos of hunting these places from your perspective, Yeah, for sure.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So the bubble is the most important aspect of successfully
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: hunting urban deer and really dear in general. I think
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you can apply what I refer to as the bubble
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: very effectively too. But I mean, basically, deer are very
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: very good at adapting uh to a new area and
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and kind of surviving, and they know exactly where the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: humans go and where they don't go. So using the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: same property that we're talking about, there's a grassy field,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: what we call it a field's receptic field. You know,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: it's probably eighty yards long, maybe a hundred yards long,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: by thirty five yards wide forty yards wide, drops down
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: into a creek bottom. Well, those deer know that those homeowners,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: they might come out there on the deck, they might
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: move around a little bit and you know, like what
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you were talking about before, when we stood on a deck,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: those deer were feeding right there. No problem. Now if
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: we have walked down off the deck and walked towards them,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: they would have run off because we would have entered
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: kind of their bubble. And the same thing is true
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: where those deer know that if you're up in the yard,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: you're fine. If you enter the woods, well that's rare,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Like not a lot of people are entering the woods here.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Now we've triggered their their predatory prey type response, and
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna get out of there. So it's
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: very important to figure out where those dear I think
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that bubble is, where the human interaction bubble is, and
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: try to get as close to the edge of it
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: without instruding too far into it to trigger that response,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: but still get yourself in a position where you're able
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to shoot a deer. And so that comes from doing
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: your scouting, doing your homework, figuring out how those deer
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: are moving. And that's where we were talking about kind
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of like these deer move like water, where you know
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: they're gonna move through an area that has the path
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: of least resistance. To them just like water does. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I think you and I were talking about how you're
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a big fisherman, and that really resonated with you because
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it's the same way that you look at gear moving
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: or excuse me, fish moving or feeding when they're kind
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of waiting behind a bullet or whatnot. Right and and um,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I I like to look at the property
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: from an aerial view and make a educated guess as
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to how I think deer going to move to these
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: connected areas, because the deer kind of like to run
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a circuit. The deer always getting bumped around there. You know.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: They might be because the landscapers are out there. Might
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: be because you know, the dogs off leash and running
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: after them, or something spooked them, whatever it is. They
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: seem to kind of always be moving through their home range.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And that home range is pretty large, um. And so
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: what they're doing is there if you look from above
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and you can see those connected chunks there, that's where
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: deer are going to flow, much like a water pipe
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: or a creek or however you want to, um think
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: about it yourself to to you know, make that analogy stick.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: But I like to think of it like water. And
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I try to find where that water is flowing and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and get to a spot where I can do my homework,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: get permission, and and then get in there um. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that's where doing your homework and trying to figure out
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: where that bubble is is the next best thing. I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of people try to dive in
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and find a spot that they think looks really deery,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: or a spot that you know traditionally is where you
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: were hunts, and that's where they go wrong because by
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the time you get to the tree that's quote unquote deary,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you've blown this deer out of it. There, Like those
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: deer sitting there, they're watching you. As soon as you
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: cross thee their bubble, they're gone. And I think a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: really good example of that was where we actually hunted
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that first night, right because we talked out our access
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: and how we walked in there. I knew where the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: deerer bedding, I knew what they could see and what
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: they couldn't see. And we picked a tree that was
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: right on the edge of the yard overlooking that point
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: where we thought those deer, we're we're going to come
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: up the point into the yark um. And that spot
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: probably didn't look good traditionally for you guys being normal hunters,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, I mean I'm not normally looking
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: for a tree inside a yard, that's for sure. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: would I would have wanted to go further down that
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: point probably. Um, But your point is, your point is
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a good one about understanding the bubble, and and that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: really ended up being pretty key the whole week when
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you would see what these deer learned to accept and
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: what they learned not to accept, and being right on
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that side, right there in the edge of the yard
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: allows you to you know, not go past and into
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: their danger zone. Um. So yeah, I mean it made
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: sense once you described it, and then we'll shoot. I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: mean we climbed up in that tree, and it kind
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: of worked in a lot of ways, kind of just
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: how you would expect it to, both the good and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the bad. I mean, I think that night you described
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it as kind of the perfect example of what an
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: urban hunt can be like, right, Yeah. I mean we
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: got we walked in to the sound of mowers and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: just ripping. I mean there were mowmowers everywhere and were
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of houses away, and I thought that was
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: because actually it was going to push the deer over
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: towards us, and then you know again the deer and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: nother bubble. They're very comfortable with people mowing grass and
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: blow and leaves. I really try to go in for
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: an afternoon hunt when I know the landscapers are there. Um.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: The deer really like to eat grass that have had
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: leaves on top of them that they are freshly blown off,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Like they will run in after landscapers leaves, uh, that
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: have just finished one leaves. So I try to keep
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: their schedules and know where they're gonna come by. And
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I try to donate a lot of deer to to
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: those different h employees of those places so that they'll
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: tell me when they're going to properties that they know
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I hunt. Try and create something sent up for them
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to let me know um when they're going, and kind
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of built some camaraderie and team teamwork there. But um,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: we walked into a lot of mowers blowing, which was
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: great cover. We climbed up. We we took a path
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that we've probably most people wouldn't take. We kind of
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: hung around the side of the property and kept some
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: bushes between us and where we expected the deer to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: be betting and uh, most people probably walk right down
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the middle of that yard. And then we climbed the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: tree right on the edge, and uh, you know, justin
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you guys got set up and we thought we were
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: in good shape. And then mowers got closer and closer,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and then we saw some guys cutting grass and property,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: riding their mower up and down, and then finally they stopped,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and almost as soon as they stopped, the geer started moving. Yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: it seemed like that was going to be the dinner bell.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: The mowers stopped. You spotted I think it was you
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: who spotted some deer down the bottom, and then they
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: started moving our way, and they were kind of heading
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: up this There was a couple of little ditches of
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: sorts or kind of draws that were on either side
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: of this yard. And you described how likely these deer
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: either come right up the point or move across the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: edge of one of these drainages across in front of us.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You and I were sitting in a tree together, and
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: they started going that way, and then well what happened there?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Did they was that when they were coming our way
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and then something spooked him and they ran off. Was
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that it was that that encounter they just spooked out
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of nowhere. They were, I mean pretty close to being
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: in green Light string Dunk territory. Um they were. They
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: just needed to come cross out from some bushes, um.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And I think Justine, you probably had the best view
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of them based on your angle and where they were working.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, they just turned inside out and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: they were behind the bushes, but they clearly did not
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: see us. Maybe the thermal started dropping. I mean that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: was pretty close to sunset, so it's possible. But they
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: got the heck out of dodge and and blew out
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: of there. And that's again a really good example of
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: how did your react with their bubble is breached? Right?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, those deer did not question it. They you know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of people assumed that because you're hunting in
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the suburbs, you can get away with a lot of
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: human scent. The deer used to smelling humans. But they're
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: smelling the humans and so when they smell them and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: then they get that visual identification, they're like, okay, I
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: smell Mr Johnson on his porch. That's fine. Well, if
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: they get a really strong sniff of human and they
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: had no idea where where that human is that's what
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: triggers them into a very you know, predatory prey type response,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and they'll they'll booker exactly like those deer did. Um
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and I thought we were done for. But then we
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: had a handful of deer come from where they really
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: should not have come from, which were between the two
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: houses where the motors had just been. So who knows
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: if if those are gotten kicked up or something from
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the from the neighbors. But they circled around and always
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: got shot off. But they were like thirty three thirty
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: four yards out, and uh, just we weren't going to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: send it at dusk at thirty four yards on a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: super alert does so sometimes the best shot that you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: can take in the suburbs is not taking the shot
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: because um, you know, and we talked about this some
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: hunting small properties. Marsian ship is is key. Yeah, I
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: mean that that was one of the most important things
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: that you impressed upon me, was just how you know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: there's there's no room for error when you're bow hunting
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: in the suburbs because any little mistake, anything that's not
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a perfect shot, can lead to a lot of challenges.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: You kind of ran me through some rules, some things
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: that you you know you do when it comes to
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: like choosing the kinds of shots you'll take in this environment.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: You even talked about some gear considerations. Can you walk
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: me through that stuff? What those how you think about
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: max range or the types of shots you take and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and all of that. How's that unique in this environment? Absolutely? So.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: The difference between a deer running forty yards and piling
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: up in a deer that's running a hundred and fifty
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: yards and piling up is night and day. That's the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: difference between a quick recovery back to your truck, awesome
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: morning or evening hunt and knocking on three, four or
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: five doors, you know, eventually finding your deer, getting yelled
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: at by all those homeowners, and then eventually losing permission
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: on the property that you hunted from. Um So, it's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: it's important that you're not just ten ringing deer. You're
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: hitting the twelve ring and you're putting them down absolutely
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: as fast as possible. I do not shoot deer unless
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: they are broad side or slightly quartered away, and I
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: do not shoot deer unless they are under twenty yards. Sometimes,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: if there's a deer that is super calm and the
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: conditions are perfect, and I'm reading your body language. I
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: might shoot one at like twenty two or twenty five
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: yards max. But I will never ever ever shoot a
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: gear and not use my top pen um, just because
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: there is a lot of stuff that can happen between
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a deer at eighteen yards and a dear at thirty
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: two yards. Can I make that shot? Absolutely? I'm a
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: boat nerd. I shoot at long distances all the time.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I have like an absolutely you know, insane tuning process, etcetera.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: But it's just imperative that the deer that you shoot,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: you hit right at the top of the heart. You
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: take out their lungs and they they were in fifteen
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: yards and pile up um. And for that, I'm shooting
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: insanely heavy arrow. Well, not insanely, I'm shoting a five
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five grain arrow, and I'm shooting a
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: very large cut on contact broadhead because what I'm trying
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: to do is blow through the absolute top of that heart.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: If I can take out some of that front landing gear,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I love to do that so they snowplow and sad
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: of running dead on their feet. Um. And it's just
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: very important to to get the deer down as fast
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: as possible. There even some properties of the hunt where
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I will put on a giant, expandable broadhead because I
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: know that I'm only gonna be taking a twelve yard
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: shot and I'm not gonna be hitting any bone, and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I need to put that giant coke can size hole
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: through the deer as opposed to a smaller fixed plate
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: type chopped. Yeah, and and that that whole line of Um,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: this whole lesson, I guess is is definitely one that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: stuck with me coming out of this hunt. Um, as
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I had some experiences along these lines that proved a
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: lot of what you discussed to be true. Um, But
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that night, I mean, you didn't take the shot in
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that dough. She was a little too far to arrange,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and that was that was it. There was a good
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: lesson for us to learn to see you pass up
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a shot there when she you know, it looked like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a great opportunity, but to your point, not a risk
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: worth taking. Um. Justin what did you think about that
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: first hunt, seeing Taylor set up, seeing Taylor's way of
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: going about things, Do anything stand out on that whole thing,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: either with what he did or how the whole they went, Well,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because, like you know, in our typical
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: hunting scenarios, there's like to you know, we go into
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: it knowing like we want to make an ethical shot,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: we want to like do our due diligence, um to
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: put this animal down quick. But there is a level
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of um angst that that I felt going into these
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: situations like that first night hunt. I mean, you you
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: have to break these properties down at such a micro
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: level that it's I mean it is like next level really,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: because you know, if I go hunt a fifty acre
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: piece and I have some timber, and I know they're
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: going to uh food egg field over here, a food platter, whatever,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: there's always like some padding, you know. And when we
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: went in that first night, you know, it was great
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: because we we had the blessing of these people to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: be able to hunt there and hearing their story and knowing,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: like one, like, these are real people's like daily lives
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that are being like you know, pretty pretty heavily interrupted
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: um by the deer, which I don't experience that in
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: my day to day. So like it's a huge problem.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: So you're you're really doing a good thing for these people,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: and so going into their yard and knowing like okay,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: well this like they have our back here. Um. And
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: but then when you get back there, it's like while
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I ought to be easy, you know, like we're standing
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: there talking these deer at like twenty or thirty yards
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like feeding there looking at us like at home, no way,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and um, but you have like a three
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: anchor piece that is like mostly mode lawn in a house.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: But there's such a micro level that this whole process
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: has to be out because like Taylor said, like you
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you have to get in and you have to do
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: that right. And even like the way we were set
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: up that night, Um, you know, I think we had
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: three different trees, guys in three different trees, and like
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: those deer, uh they did exactly what you thought they
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: would do and using that to rain. But man, like
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: like you said that there was like zero tolerance for
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary, which which was pretty surprising
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to me. I'm thinking, like, you know, these people, Ali,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: there's guys mowing all around us. But and that somehow
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: seemed really normal to these deer. But they come up
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and like I really think what happened was at that
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: time and night that we did have some thermal shift
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: and it started to pull into that bottom and there
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: there was deer coming from like two different directions, and
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: there was one dough that just was like suit like
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: she just was on edge and she ended up like
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: alerting everything. But man, it's just like looking at that,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I mean that little chunk was like not not you
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: know what a quarter of an acre and that was
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: like the spot you know. So it's cool to see
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: like how fine tuned you have to be with your
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: wind in a yard that's like you know, like just
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: everything is so condensed. But um, it's cool because it
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: kind of takes it to another level because you don't
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: have the wiggle room. Like one, you got to be
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: on your game with your set and understanding your your
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: winning your thermals. But you also like have to you know,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: like Taylor said, you can't be taken like thirty five
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: forty yard pokes idea like that, Um that are coming
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: in just like expecting something to be like wrong. You know, yeah,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I think that. I think what you said, the fact
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that there's there's there's no padding, like there's no wiggle room.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: That that is I think the overarching theme of everything,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: like there's no room for error, whether it be with
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: how far you push in, whether that be with how
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: long shots you take, whether that be with how you
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: manage relationships. It seems like that, you know, it's just
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the little things really matter in this kind of hunting environment,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: which which brings us, I think kind of nicely to
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: what we had to do the next day, which was
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: this whole relationship side of things in a to a degree. Uh,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Now that I got to hunt with you, Taylor, once,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: it was now up to me to try to go
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and do it on my own and get my own permission,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to see if I could get my own permission at least. Um,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you had some spots that I could hunt, but I
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to try to get my own spots to to
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: kind of have the whole experience. Um. So that morning
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: we went over to your house and kind of walk
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: through your best ideas, like your best practices for knocking
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: on doors, for finding spots, um, kind of the Tailor
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Chamberlain approach to getting hunting permission. So I ran through
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: that whole deal with you, and then I took off
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: on my own. You want to give us cliff notes
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: on some of your hot tips for getting permission in
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: these kinds of places before I discuss how my attempts
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: actually went. Yeah, so, um, in in our area in
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: northern Virginia, people tend to be very abrasive. You know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: it's the city man, like, you're not you you don't
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: have this communal neighborhood where you're like really good buddies
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: with your neighbors. Most people don't want you at their drawer.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: They don't know why you're there. And so to build
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: rapport instantly, I mean it's really no different than any
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: other type of sales. You're just selling yourself instead of
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: selling a product. Um, And so you know, if you
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: can try to build instant rapport, just try to communicate clearly,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and the biggest key is to just not be intimidated.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Like if you're confident in yourself and what you're saying,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: people will believe in you and they'll understand and and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I try to not have emotional conversations with
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: people about the gear because emotions you can't control on somebody. Um.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: You know, we all feel differently about lots of different things,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and the three of us are very like minded people
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: on this call, But I'm sure that there are things
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that we could talk about that all three of us
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: are very passionately, you know, opposed to how we feel
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: about things. But you can't argue with facts, and so
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I try to very softly and not ambrasively state my
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: facts interlineated with the service that I'm providing and explain
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: why it's important, and um, you know, I do that
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: kind of socratically by asking a lot of questions and
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: just try to build report. And then also it's all
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: relationship building. And I think you guys got to see
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: some of the relationships that I've built with these homeowners
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and the report that I have with them, and you know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: by doing that, you're able to then build kind of
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a referral based network and have the clients that you
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: have reach out on behalf of you to their friends.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: And that's where getting permission like this really snowballs, because
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: even if you do knock on a thousand doors, you
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: get to communicate clearly with those people, hunt them appropriately,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: provide a quality service for them, and and I guarantee
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you one thousand percent guarantee you at some point very
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: soon that homeowner will ask you what can I do
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: to thank you? And you say, hey, just tell all
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: your friends that you know what I'm doing and give
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: them my number. To this day, I get more phone
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: calls in a week of properties than I can hunt.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: And there are people asking me to come over and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: hunt their properties because somebody that I hunted on their
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: property of told them about me. And much like anything
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: else in life, you know, a referral from somebody that
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: is a trust and source carries an unquantifiable weight with it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: You know, if if you guys were somewhere and I said, oh, hey,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you gotta go try this, you know Irish restaurant, You're
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: gonna go there probably without even thinking about it, right,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: You're just gonna be like, oh, te are some of
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: those place is awesome? Like I'm gonna go there, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: it's it's no different than anything else. Doctors and service providers,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and you know I'm a service provider. I just I'm
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: more of an exterminator than a than an attorney or
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a doctor. But yeah, you know, service is being provided.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: That's that's needed. So builder poor and and speak confidently
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and and not facts. And there's some data that supports
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: your case. Because you can't argue with data, you can't
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: argue with math. You can argue with feelings and you
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: will lose that argument ten times out of time. Yeah, yeah,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a good way to kind of sum
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it all up, Taylor, and I tried to take the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: approach that I've used knocking on doors in more rural
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: areas and and kind of combine that with some of
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the stuff you said. And a couple of things that
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: stuck with me were the fact that you kept telling
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: me to make sure you answer their questions before they
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: have them, and do it quickly, like, don't give them
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to object before you're able to lay out
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: the base sick important things, you know, the basic important
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: things being why you're there, how you're gonna do this safely,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and what problem you're solving. I think of those are
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the main things I was trying to get across, UM,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and I really tried to try to distill it down
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: into a tight, short, quick and succinct kind of introduction
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and explanation. Um. Sometimes when I'm knocking on doors in
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the middle of the country, you know, I think people
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: out there prefer a little bit more winding approach. A
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: lot of these people are like inviting you into their
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: homes and asking you to have a bite to eat,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: and they just want to talk to someone. I didn't
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, people like do you see the lad
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: bad banking man? We wanted to what do you Why
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: are you here? I mean a lot of people will
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: answer to say what do you want? Yeah, I'm like, hey,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I'm Taylor, break down the street. I'm not selling anything.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I you know, I'm here to solve a problem for
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you for free. You're welcome, and because it's going away,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: just trying to create some sort of incentive there to
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: get their attention before they just think that you're some
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: salesman or you're trying to get in their pocket. You know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: when you're making somebody's doorbell, they are very defensive. You know,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: why are you here? What do you want? You're trying
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: to get my money, You're trying to ask me for something.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: You're interrupting me at some point of my day. You
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: know that they're they're they're very much on their heels.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: And so I try to do a lot of things
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and you hit the nail on the head. I try
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to answer their questions before they asked them, and and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: that makes something very confident. When you do that, you know,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: like it's really no different than any other sales type tactic.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: You're just selling yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh so basically
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: at after you kind of ram me through all that stuff,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: we went through and looked on Onyx and just pinned
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different houses that you thought had good
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: potential or were in areas where you've seen deer in
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the past, and just some spots worth checking out. Um.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: And then I hit the row and uh, it was
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, like a CI A covert mission
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: or something. I had Justin and Chase in the vent
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: or in the STV and we're driving like secret Service
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: black um Forward Expeditions or something, and uh Jason Justin
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: had the cameras, and then I was in the front
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: seat driving around and I don't know how many pins
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I had, but I ended up gosh, do you remember
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the number justin. I think it was something like twelve
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: or thirteen houses that okay, Yeah, so I ended up
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: going up to and asking for permission at thirteen places. Um.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, the first thing that really stood
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: out to me about these places in these neighborhoods that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I was in was that not only are they kind
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of in the city and you know, wham bam, thank
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: you man type people, but like they were all almost
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: all like mega mansions, like I've never been I don't
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: think I've been in a place like neighborhoods where there's
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: in such a concentration of of wealth and big, huge
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: homes like just everywhere, Like every little road you turned down,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: it's like mega mansion, mega mansion, mega mansion. You go
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: down another way, here's a whole another slew of these places.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: You go down another road, there's I mean, there's just everywhere.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: And some of these places are just like way back,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: like you drive down some like quarter mile or half
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: mile drive and gates here and gates there, and security
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: cameras everywhere, and then you come into this called the
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: sack that's a private calder sack with fountains in the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: middle and like a private basketball court or basketball court.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I've never felt so uncomfortable in my life, Taylor.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I think as when I was pulling up to some
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: of these people's houses and just thinking like, Okay, at
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: any point, like an armed guard is gonna apprehend me,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: or someone's gonna be really upset that I'm back here.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, was it very it's very typic and that's
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: where a lot of people, I think Paul short is.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, it's a
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: numbers game, right, and I can network and use my
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: spiel and use the you know, the knowledge that I've
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: built over the last twelve plus. Ye're doing this but
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: for fourteen years now, jeez um, But there's just no
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: substitute for you know, trying to stay calm, and you
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: get those butterflies walking up to the door because I
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: still get them, and you gotta ask, and you gotta
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: knock on the door. And the thing that I always
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: tell myself when I'm at the driveway and I'm like
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: trying to talk myself out of that kind of that
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: that like devil on your shoulder and the angel on
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: the other shoulder kind of thing, is I just tell myself, Hey,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: the answers already know, so you might as well ask
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and verify, right, because unless you ask, the answer will
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: always be no. So effort, maybe you get it. Yes,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: let's go come on. And and that's what I told
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: myself thousands of times a year to motivate me and
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: go walk down and bring the gate doorbell and um
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: and try to get permission. And you know, you just
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: have to be comfortable being told a lot of things
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: of of no, and all kinds of things about yourself
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: that aren't true or maybe they are, but you're gonna
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: hear a lot of stuff, and you just have to
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: keep reminding yourself like, hey man, the answer is gonna
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: be no unless you ask. So let's let's go verify it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: And and like keep on keeping on. And you know
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the other thing to really consider, and I think we
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: talked about this, but don't ever rule out the property.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Don't ever go like, oh, that property is so big
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: and perfect. I bet you know. They always get asked
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: because I find it's kind of like the really hot
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: girls at the bar that everybody's so intimidated by them,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: they're not talking right. And and so of course that
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: was a long time ago for me because I sit,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: but um, when there's a property that looks really, really
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: really good, go try because again, like the answers, no
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: until you ask. And some of my best best properties,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I mean humongous properties are ones that I thought, there's
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: no way this is gonna work, kind of scoffing at myself,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: and next you know, I'm like, holy smokes. I can't
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: believe I just ended up or you know whatever it
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: is right and in places is crong with deer, and
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and then I have to figure out which one of
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: my buddies I can bring in to help manage the place. Right. So, um,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: just never ever ever assume anything and go have a
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: conversation with people. And I try to give them my
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: phone number and just say, hey, if anything changes, give
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: me a call, right, because sometimes they'll call you back
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and they'll say, hey, you know, I talked to my wife,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: or I thought about it and or I started noticing
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: there are a ton of deer in my yard and
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: please come shoot them all. So you just never know
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: until you tried. I was with I was with you, Mark,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: because nothing says don't talk to me, leave me alone,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: like a like ten thousand dollar gate and cameras hanging
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: off of trees. Uh. The anxiety that you felt, I
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: think I told you was like it was just like
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: oozing out of that car, like everything every door, every
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: door you went to guys like, oh my gosh, I
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: want to throw up. Mark. You're on top of it,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: because once you got permission, you then have to be like, oh,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: by the way, these are my buddies with these really
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: nice cameras and they need to come with me. Also,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: we need you to sign this whole other piece of
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: paper now, right, So that's like a mother layer. Um.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: That was tough, and we tried to kind of talk
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: about some different angles of of how to appreict that
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: as well in a productive way. But at the end
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: of the day, like, people are different and and they
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: have different reasons for want of us shop here, and
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: you can never really assume either why they want you there.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: You know, Um, I would be willing to to bet
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: that every property owner that I had permission on, either
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: they or one person removed from them that they know,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: has either had limes disease or hit a deer with
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: their car. And and those are a lot of the
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: reasons that they're like and again we're back to how
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: to get permission. That's factual. It's like, yeah, Susie had
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: limes disease, or yes, like Becky hit a deer with
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: her car and totaled it, or Jim did you know whatever,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Like those are factual things they happen, and those are
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: things that point to overpopulation and and what we're trying
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: to take care of yea. Um, so so I tried
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: it and knocked on like you said justin doors. Um
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: you said that the anxiety was palpable. Justin Um what
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: did you think about? I mean, you watched me do
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: what I did? What did you think about? How went?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: What do you think about my spiel? Uh? What stood
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: about that whole experience? Well, that was the closest I've
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: ever been to be in the Secret Service because I
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: had an I had a camera on you, but I
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: also had an earbud and and could hear every one
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: of your conversations and uh, you know, like when you
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: got back in the car, I was like, dude, like
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you're doing this, but if anybody
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: could do this, like you're the guy because um, you
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: know again you're immediately caught off guard because you're like
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: entering people's sanctuaries, you know, and then once you get
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: up there, they are like, wait, how did you get
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: in here? Kind of and but you know, like as
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: soon as you would start, uh, it was it was
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: just like great because you and I'm sure Taylor is
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: the same way, Like he he has like worked up
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: a speech that like he said the facts and and
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: you going into that, um you just like you you
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: knew what the you know, the issues that they're having.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: These homeowners are knowing the same thing. Um. And when
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: you when they rejected you or they said no or uh,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: like you were always like dead on with your your responses.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I was, like, I said, you
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: were the guy to do that. I would have probably
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: quit after the first note and just like found in
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: McDonald's UM. But like, yeah, it was you know, it
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't It was encouraging because you know, in in this
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: outdoor world, we hear you know, you there's a lot
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: of people that have voices in that that can speak
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: into this industry or to our lifestyles that have no
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: idea what what it's like. And I think we were
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: at the some of those doors and it was great
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: to hear like the openness that people you know, they
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: would tell you know, but then you would have a
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: chance to then, um, explain what you were doing or
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: why you were doing it, and then hearing their rebuttals
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: and uh, their opinions and whatnot. Like I really think
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: that even though we got like a lot of nose um,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: we also were able to kind of uh, you know,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: maybe plant some seeds of like okay, like you know,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: all these hunters are not the same, you know, And
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: here is another way we could think about, like possibly
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: attacking a situation where you know, my kid could get
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: lines disease in the yard like that. The first lady
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: said that she didn't want to have her grandkids over
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: because she doesn't want them to have like have to
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: play in a yard where there's ticks everywhere. Um. And
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: so even though we heard some nose like those might
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: be yeses for Taylor, you know and the future, because
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: of the conversations that you had again, I felt like
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: it was super informative, um, because there was a lot
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: of the information you're given out was like stuff that
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: these people probably had never heard. So I thought it
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: went really well despite all the knows that we got
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: really bring up a good point there justin and that
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: you know everybody well, again, I don't want to generalize
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: to say everyone. The majority of people that I talked
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: to have never ever met a hunch or before. And
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: so there are a lot of a lot of properties
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: that I had permission on that started with a no.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: And and I always will ask like, well, why you know,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: do you mind if I ask why the answers know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: because I mean, now we're going down in flames, right,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Like the answer is no, so we might as well
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: put me downloading and uh but I mean and and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: then when they say well, because it's barbaric or something,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and you can say, well, you know, actually it's not,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: you can have a counterpoint to it. That's that's factual.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: And you know, what you'll find out is that a
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: lot of people have really no concept what hunting is about.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: And they understand, you know, right now. And it's very
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: common to be you know, cognizant of what you're eating too.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe want to eat on the organic stuff or grass
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: bed or you know, non non hormonal stuff, and you're
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: going like, well, hey, I'm sorting organic protein my family, right,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: And and so what's different than me going to Whole
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Fuits and paying forty bucks a pound for bison or
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: me helping you remove these gear from your property and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: feeding my family with them. Um, it's hard to our
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: do that, right. And and I've had many, many many
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: homeowners tell me, you know, once you get to know me,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: they'll say, you know, you're not what I expected. And
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I want to asking them, like, what do you mean
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: by that, I know their answer. They expect elm or fun, right.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: They expect somebody that is, um, you know, the stereotypical
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: hunter and not somebody that they'd want to hang out
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: with and have a beer with and have a conversation with.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: And UM, you know, we're fortunate that we're getting to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: kind of change people's perception of of hunters. And you
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head that we're not all
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the same, Like, you know, we can be educated, it's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: still hunt we can you know, we can do this
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: ethically and responsibly and um, in an appropriate manner. That's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: beneficial for everybody. And it's really kind of cool to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: watch people who have had never been experienced to hunting
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: figure that out. Yeah. I felt the same way. And
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I felt like even even with all those nose, I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: felt that at least all of an opportunity to be
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: a positive light, to be to be like, uh, one
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: representative of the hunting community that they get to have
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: some kind of engagement with and if that can be
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: positive or surprisingly better than they expected or intriguing, you know,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I did something good there. So so yeah, I mean
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: there was there was a couple of people who were
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: you know that talked to who were you know who
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: described bad experiences they've had with past hunters. Uh. There
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: were a couple of people who were just like hesitant
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: about the whole thing in general. There was one person
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: that I went and talked to where the husband answered
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: the door, and he was very dismissive of it, like
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: he was. He was probably the most um agitated that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: I was there and like, what do you mean? What
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: what were you doing here? There's no problem? Why, there's no,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: there's not too many deer. Just he was like angry
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I was there. Um. But then his wife came up
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: behind him, and she, uh, she was very different. She
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: was really curious about it. She kept asking questions and
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: he was trying to push her off, not physically, but
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: I mean he was trying to be He was like, no, no, no,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: this is fine. He's like, no, well, let's just just Kevin,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: get out of here. Stop asking these questions. And she said, well,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious, why why do you do this?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: How do you do this? Or you do use a bow?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Or this is legal? How do you guys? How do
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you guys manage these situations? And eventually he stormed out
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: of there, but every once in a while he like
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: yelled from the kitchen to like just close the door,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: just let's get back to what we're doing. He was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: very irritated. And she stood there and asked me questions
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: for I don't know, minutes, fifteen minutes something like that. UM.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: And we ended up having I think a really productive conversation,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: and I think she left it, you know, having learned
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: some stuff. And she was like thanking me. She said, oh,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: this is really interesting, this is great to kind of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: learn about this. UM. And then there was a handful
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: of people who were just kind of like they didn't care.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: They're kind of like, you know, I'm fine, I'm fine
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: with hunters, but I just don't want someone here to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: just be a bother. I don't want to worry about
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: people around here. I've got a guy already, the hunts here. UM.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: There was a handful of types of things. It was
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: a handful of people that just weren't home. UM. And
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: there was you know, a handful of just said no
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: and that was it. UM. There was one guy who
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: was on a phone call. And this is kind of
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: like a longer story that I'll try to make short.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: But the night before or two nights before, we had
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: done like a drive around scouting as you guys are called,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: and we had spotted one house with like five bucks,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: like four or five six bucks feeding in the front yard,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: including one like really nice one. And so I had
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: come back to knock on that door and that guy
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: answered the door but was on the phone and he
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: kind of like waved me off. It's like come back later.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: So I was excited to hopefully get permission there, um.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: But ultimately I did get one yes. Um. There was
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: a couple who were kind of leaving their home to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: go for a walk, and I walked up their driveway
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: as they were walking down and chatted with them, and
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: they were they were the perfect the perfect culprits and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: that they were like, yeah, shoot them all, we've got
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: too many there, a nuisance, their trouble. Do whatever you
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: need to do. Um, And they were fine with us
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: filming and fine with us doing the whole deal. So
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: so I got the yes one out of one out
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: of thirteen. Um. But I'll tell you by the time
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: like we got that part done, I mean I was
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: just like shot. I was emotionally exhausted. It just like
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: there's like an emotional debt that you accrue every time
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: you go through like the hype up, the walk to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the door or the knock on the door, the talking,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the the yes or the know or whatever, like every
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: time you do that, regardless of how it goes. It
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: was just like each one was a little bit more exhaustion,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit more so after thirteen of them. I mean,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: you you tell me if this is true or not
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: justin but by the time we stopped for I guess
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: it was like a late lunch we stopped for. I mean,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: I was just like a zombie. I could hardly even
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: like talk to anyone. Would you say, that's true? Absolutely,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: because I felt the same way, like I think, being
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: like hearing and and just like the flow, you know,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: the up and down of all those conversations. It was
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I didn't really want to talk to anyone.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I knew you didn't really want to talk to anyone
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: for a while. Well, yeah, when we got that, when
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: we got that, yes, it was like okay, like this
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: is what Taylor has been talking about, Like you know,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: there's here's people that that recognize the problem, and uh yeah,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: it really felt like a home run even it wiped
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: out all the notes, you know. Yeah, now one other
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: thing to point out back to that house with the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: bucks on it, and we'll kind of speed through this
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: because it didn't end up working out. But Taylor, you
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: had like a friend of a friend who knew those people,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: and through a phone call we were able to get
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: a hold of them and they said that they would
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: be okay with us us hunting there. But I had
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: to go back and talk to the guy. And so
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I went back and I knocked on the door again
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and he never answered, and then I waited outside and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: then went back again and they never answered. And now
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: it's like three thirty or four or something. I don't
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: it's pretty late, and we're down to just not a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: whole lot of time left before trying to hunt that night,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: and we were trying to get in a hunt UM,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: And so I ended up just bailing on that spot
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: and deciding to go and hunt a spot that you
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: had gotten permission on UM previously. That would be a
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: good one for us to get into quick since we didn't.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: We had to still this paperwork taken care of on
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: the place that I got permission on UM. So so
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: that was how we're gonna try to end up the
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: night was just to go to this new spot I've
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: never been to before. You drove us down there and
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: just kind of said like, hey, here's the access point, um,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: go for it, here's your property lines, um. And this
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: spot was was actually a little more normal feeling than
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of the other places that we saw. A
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: lot of the places that knocked on the doors, um
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: doors of um. This was kind of a I don't know,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: how would you describe this tail like a like a
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: just a big brushy bottom dur rainage kind of area
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: where there was houses up high and then this is
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: like a low area where just nobody was gonna build,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: right yeah. Yeah, So once that ran you see the gauntlet,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I actually could take you to some properties that are
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: really hunted. And yeah, it's a it's a big kind
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: of floodplain with a lot of houses up on the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: high ground and then that land in the middle there
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: that you were hunting on is just undevelopable. But it's
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: like super brushy, a lot of like thickets and poison
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: ivy and sumac I think justin call hell, so some
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: not always at bottom. I'm sorry to give me more
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: of a head cup. But to be I did not
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: know where you were going, so we wanted it to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: be not like a guiding hunt, more like a you know,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Mark figures out where to go. And so I just said, hey,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: park here and and go in. And I should have
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: warned you about the uh, the CIA operative that lives
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: next store, that is figuring out texting people randomly, but um, yeah,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I mean it's just a big brushing floodplaint. And that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: spot is fantastic because if you think about how the
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: water flows, again our analogy about where to find deer, like,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: they're all getting pushed into that area from everywhere around there, right,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: And if you even looked at that spot and zoom
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: back out, you'd see that it's a giant crossroad of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: a crossing. I mean, that's one of the better hubs
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: in the area that I hunt. And they are just
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: tons and tons of deer in there, including a couple
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: of pretty good bucks. And I think you saw one
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: that night, didn't you. Yeah? I did, and and so
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: you know, we we we parked and going in there.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I remember keeping in mind the two main points that
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: you had been preaching to me over and over again,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: which was one was thinking about all the water is
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: going to flow, you know, the metaphorical water. And then
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: number two, but most importantly was the bubble. So I
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I was looking at this stuff on the map, and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this thick, brushy bottom and right in
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: front of me, and I'm thinking, Okay, I could get
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: right into the middle of this, I could be thinking
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: about what my winds doing and and pushed to the
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: opposite side. But I thought, man, I don't want to
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: breach the bubble. I don't. I don't know where the
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: bubble is because I've never been here before. But I,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: you know, figured I need to be a little bit
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: more conservative than not. So I tried to find as
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: decent of the place as I get to without diving
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: deep into this place, because they could be better than
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: anywhere anywhere in there. And I remember thinking, like the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: main things that I thought I could work off of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: where that there was these there was this ridge that
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: ran on the neighbor's property, and two points that dropped
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: down off of that, And I've envisioned that, Okay, hypothetically,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: I bet you there could be oaks up on those ridges,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: and there could be acorns up there. So I thought
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: all right, they're very well could be deer either bedded
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: up on those points and then our dry popping down
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: into the bottom to get to the opposite side. Maybe
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: this food over there, so this might be a place
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: that they're dropping down to, or it could be the
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: opposite maybe dear coming for the other way, and they
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: might be going up those ridges to feed. So I thought, okay,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: if I can be tight to that, I might peple
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: intercept that movement. Secondly, there's a creek, and I remember
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: thinking to myself, all right, let's see if I could
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: find a creek crossing, and if I could be hunting
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: where there's a creek crossing and those points and what
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: looks like the edges with really good thick betty betting
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff, that might be three different potential you know, movement,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: lines of movement that I could take advantage of. Those
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: are the things that I was trying to key in
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: on with with just a very ah bird's eye view
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: of what I was dealing with. Having looked at the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: map and walked in like seventy yards or something, we
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: didn't go very far in, but I found those threes,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: three things lining up, and I thought, okay, I think
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: this is worth, you know, trying, so you know, we
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: got set up. Justin was in one tree and me
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: and Chase weren't another. And sure enough, like an hour
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: before dark or something like that. Um, Justin was actually
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: the first one to see him because of your angle.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: He was. There was this really nice buck coming down
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: that creek and he got to the creek crossing. He
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: came all the way to the creek crossing, but was
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: on the other side of it, so he was on
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: the one side. He was at forty yards and if
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: he crossed the creek where the crossing was towards me,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: he would have been to thirty. And I'm like, man,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: this is gonna work out so perfect. I can't believe
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: we nailed it, Like this is great. He's gonna come
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: into thirty and and I was gonna take a thirty
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: yard shot in in this scenario. Um. And then he
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: just never crossed totally fine, And there is enough buff
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: there that yeah. Yea never never presented itself though, because
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: instead of crossing, he instead turned up that point and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: worked up the point, probably up to oaks or something
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: up in there, and we never saw him again. I
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: tried some grunting, and he looked but wasn't half that,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: but he was. He was a nice, you know, mature buck.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I mean I was stoked. Yeah, I mean, I couldn't
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: ask for anything better than that. But what I was
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: surprised by really I got some yeah, some cameras out there,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: and he was walking around today. So I'm like, when
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: I get back to that's awesome. Man, he's asking for it. Um,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: that was an encouraging first time. I was like, man,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: I mean I saw a shooter buck first night. This
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: is great. And so we went back intore that next morning. Uh,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't end up seeing anything. I don't think right
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: justin I don't think we saw any deer that is
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: right anything. So it should we point out that I forgot.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: We need to explain a little bit about what you
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: alluded to Taylor, which was the neighbor. So we that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: that that night. I just described when we hiked in
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: and we're setting up our trees, you putting up our
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: sticks and saddles and stuff. As I was getting up
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: in the tree, I could see our vehicle parked off
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: the side of the road and a truck pulled up
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: behind it and then drove away. And then came back
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: later and parked there for a while, and I'm thinking, oh, man,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: someone's messing with their stuff or someone's freaking out there
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: and to call the cops or call their neighbors or
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: who knows what. And I don't know, half hour later,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: something like uh, justin it was you right? You got
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: a text message? Yeah? I did? And and what the
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: text message just said? Like, hey, what are you doing here?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Your trucks on my neighbor's property or something. Yeah, He's
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: like are you huh are you hunting? Right? Like I
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what it said, but it was like, okay,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: big brother definitely knows. Yeah, it was freaking or something,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: and the neighbors does not like it. We were very
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: perplexed by how this person had gotten Justice's phone number. UM,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: and we're thinking, like, man, is this guy like in
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the c I A and he pinged our cell phones
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: or something, and like being being in this area, your
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: mind jumps to all sorts of crazy conclusions when you're
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: around um and here are some of the stories you
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: told this Taylor about the crazy things that going out there.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, man, we've got like I don't know, Um,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what I thought, but it
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: ended up being that there was a luggage tag that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: could be seen through a window, and that's how my family.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: I was assuming my family was being swept away in
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: a white fan uh at the very moment that I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: was getting that text. But it turned out that I
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: just happened to have a luggage tag pressed against the
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: window that had my phone number on it. So that
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: was quite the relief, a much more simple explanation. It
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: was weird because I said that you guys sent me
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: a screenshot of the text, and I looked up the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: number on my phone and I realized it was a neighbor.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: I quickly sent a text and said, hey, you know
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: my buddies are down there hunting um. When I said hey, like,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: how did you get his number? He said? His response
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: was like dot dot dot passed life. And I was like, yeah, okay,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fraud there. But then we found out
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: that there was a luggage tag, and I'm like, oh, dude,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: come on, don't make yourself seem cool like like or
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe he didn't look at the luggage tag. Maybe
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: he really did do some sneaky hivert stuff, you know,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we'll never know. He's probably listening
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: to this phone call right now. Maybe just laughing, he
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: could be. Oh Man. Definitely kept us on the toes
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: that day. But but yeah, next day didn't see anything.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: So mid day decided, Okay, we had a paperwork done
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: at the spot I've gotten permission on, so we're gonna
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: head there. Um, I'll kind of fast forward significantly now
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: because we don't have a whole lot of time left. Um,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: But we went to that place. Um, had like just
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: the same kind of deal. There was like landscapers everywhere,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: and there was neighbors pulling in and out, and this
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: proper is very narrow like it was right along two roads.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: It was just a long, skinny piece the head road
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: frontage on half of it. And um, it just wasn't
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: a lot to work with. So do you have a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: on the backside. Yeah, the neighbors had deer fencing, so
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: like like kind of nylon netting, like kind of plastic
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: netting that was maybe like six seven ft high or
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: something to try to keep deer from going in and
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: feeding in their yard. Um. Interestingly, that first night, the
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: only deer we saw were in their yard inside the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: deer fence that's there. That's how that works. But um,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was cool to go and hunt the
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: place that. You know, I had actually knocked on the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: doors and got permission on myself, and I just didn't
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: see the activity. I thought we're gonna see. Um it
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: was it was across the road from some really good
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: looking stuff. So I thought for sure there was gonna
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: be deer piling off of the neighboring property, crossing the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: road and feeding on all the acorns that were in
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: the stuff that we could hunt. But it didn't happen
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: that night. That was basically what I was doing, was
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: was hunting, um basically thinking about the whole flow of
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: movement situation. What we had there was that there was
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: as long, skinny property as I described, and there was
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: a bunch of oak trees in it, and so there
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: was tons of acorns. And then the neighbor as we
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: just mentioned, had this deer fencing. So the whole length
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: of the property had deer fencing along the edge, and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: any deer that wanted to get from the good thick
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: cover across the road to other good thick cover on
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: the other side of that person that other neighbors home
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: had to go around the outside of that deer fencing
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: in between that deer fencing and a cul de sac. Um.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Never thought i'd say those words, but um, I found.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I found this funnel. But I thought would be a
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: funnel between the end of this yard with a deer
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: fencing and the calder sack where there's a little gap
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: crossing a driveway and then leads into another draw with
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: a bunch of good cover. So we set up on
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: that side of the property to catch any movement funnel
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: that direction, while also hopefully taking advantage of deer feeding
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: on those acorns. Didn't happen the first night, went back
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: into that next morning. I saw a bunch of does
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: coming like they were going to do that, but I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: think our winds swirled and blew out that group. I
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: don't know, there was like fifteen deer or something in
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: that group does. Yeah, a bunch of deer coming through there. Um,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: but they buggered And then we had a six point buck,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: had a year and a half old buck come across,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: carossed out of the cover across the road, came into
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: our spot and did exactly what I was hoping. The
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: deer would do. And he came walking right to the
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: base of my tree, and I was thinking in the moment,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: like first I was like, alright, I'm gonna shoot him
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: because I thought maybe he was like a two year
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: old six or eight or something. So I drew back.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: And then as soon as he got close and I
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: had my bow, and I think I'm trying to remember
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: what the order here was. I think that as I
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: was drawing back, I was thinking, I had like, oh, man,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: he's a year and a half old. I can't shoot
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: this buck. But I got to full draw and he's
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: right there like five yards, and I had like a
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: back and forth like should I take this deer? Should
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I not take this deer? Like I haven't shot a
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: year and a half old buck in like fifteen years. Um,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: you know, just a personal goal thing. But I've been
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: trying to kill mature bucks and it's been a long
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: time since I was in a situation where I thought
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: about doing something different. But then I had like a
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I thought like, man, maybe I should take this deer.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Like we're trying to help control dear populations, we're trying
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: to show how to do this kind of thing, so
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I should shoot it. But then I was like, ah,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: but I don't really want to shoot this deer, and
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: and all this went through my mind in like five seconds,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: and and ultimately I just couldn't bring myself to do it.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Um So I let down and he just walked past
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: and went on and and Rent was I don't know,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: maybe I should have shot him. Um maybe not. I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: don't know. What I told myself. What I've told myself
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: many times in different scenarios but other way other times,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: is that if you ever are on the fence about
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: shooting a deer, it's like, if you don't want to
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: do it, regardless of what the reasons are, like, don't
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: do it. So for me, it's been either going to
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: do it or not at all. Um So I'm okay
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: with that. But absolutely, unless the deer makes you go
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna shoot him, if you have to talk
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: yourself into it or convince yourself you should not shoot
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: that deer. Yeah, it's kind of my rule of thumb,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: even though you are correct that you know we're doing
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: a management and and if you wanted to shoot it,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: there's no problem shooting a year and a half old
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: deer in the in the suburbs because that's one lest
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: year to breed um and potentially get hit by a car.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, if you're not
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: excited about it, then don't do it, because at the
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: end of the day, that's really what it's all about. Yeah,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: you know, is a tough one, but um, but I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: felt like, you know, after it happened, I felt I
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: felt fine with what I did. It was the right
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: call and we got The only thing was that we
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: got you know, after that hunt, we were basically out
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: of time. That was our last day. We had one
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: more hunt that evening, so we really only had two
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: and a half days to hunt. Um, now that I
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: think about this, because we had spent you know, so
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: much time on the front end, you know, kind of
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: getting the education with you and then going through and
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: getting permission and all that just took a lot of time.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: So UM ended up just having that last night hunt
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: and so I just said, okay, last chance, let's go
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: back to the very first place we went, which is
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: that property that we met the landowners on and they
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: had the doughs feeding in the yard and you were
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: hunting that first night with us and had the close
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: call and I thought, man, that sure seems like a
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: slam dunk. And I texted with you and talked with you,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: and you thought the same things with that. Okay, it's
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: our last chance. Try to shoot a doll. That's our
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: best chance. So snuck back in there and I decided
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: to hunt a slightly different spot. Not dramatically, I think
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I just shifted like forty yards over um, but shifted
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: down closer to the other edge of the yard where
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: we could shoot down to where those last doughs came
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: through that you couldn't get a shot at because they're
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: a little bit too far away. UM. So we got
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: set up chasing me. Were in one tree justin, wasn't another?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: And m how did everything go here? Justin? I think
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: the first year we saw were on the neighbors across
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: the ravine, up on the hilltop, feeding in the yard.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: And then those deer dropped down the valley and came
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: across and actually fed into the yard that we were hunting.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: But they crossed the yard, two of them. One of
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: them disappeared, but two of them crossed the yard and
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: went to the other neighbors and fed out of range.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: And they kind of continued at like I don't know,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: seventy eight yards ninety yards heading off the other direction.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: There was one mature dough and like a year ling
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: or something with her. And when she got out of
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: our yard into the other yard, like she was definitely
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: not going to come my way. UM, I started doing
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: like a faun and distress call, just you know, just
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: kind of using my mouth to make the sound that
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: I think that I've heard in the past that a
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: faun might make that. And um, sure enough, she turned
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: and stared and turned and stared, and then I don't
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: remember exactly how long it was, but she eventually turned
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: and started coming back our way. Um. And over the
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: course of I don't know how long this was, maybe
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: ten minutes, maybe longer than that, that whole encounter fifteen minutes,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: she she slowly worked her way back towards us. And
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: then when she started she got back into our yard
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: and then came out into the open was like crossing
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: the open yard to the other side towards me. That's
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: when I was like, okay, wow, this is this is
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: actually gonna happen. Um, what were you thinking of that moment?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Justin when she learned and started coming back, Well, I
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: was like, I couldn't believe that she was actually doing it.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: But I think she seemed like she was on edge
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit. And I remember her taking her time.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Uh she had that young woman behind her, and but
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: she you know, she didn't just like feed across he could.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: It was like she was looking for whatever was making
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: that that distress call. And um, so I think she
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: was on edge. But I'm like trying to calculate from
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: my tree, like was she you know, managed she like
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: in his shooting range, because you know, I know we
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: were trying to stay pretty close. And but then when
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: I saw you draw back, I was like, man, like,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: here we go, Like this is going to happen. And
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: she continued to work across and uh yeah, so I
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: was I couldn't believe it worked. That's what I kept thinking.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking the same thing. She came
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: across the yard, and what happened was that she it
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: looked like she was going to come right into twenty
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: yards and so I remember she was gonna go behind
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: one set of branches, and I thought to myself, all right,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: this is my chance to draw she as soon as
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: she goes behind these branches at this angle, if she
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: continues on, she'll step out right around twenty yards and
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: I'll have my shop. So as she's walking through the branches,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: I draw back. But instead of instead of stepping out
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: and continuing the way she originally was going to go,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: I thought in my mind, she stopped behind the branches,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: and it seemed like forever. I don't remember how long
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: it was, but I was at full draw a long time.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: And then she started moving again, but her angle was
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: angling off further away, and so she went behind a tree.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: I'm stuck a full draw. And the whole time, I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: don't know, I think you went back and looked. Wasn't
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: like a minute a half or two minutes or something
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: that I was a full draw. Um the whole time,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to draw down. I need to
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: draw down, like this is not I'm not like I'm
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: just barely holding on, you know, um. But I just couldn't.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: I just did not see a way I could get
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: drawn down without this dough booger and out of there,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: because she definitely was, you know, on edge. She knew
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: something was going on, and so I just kept at
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: full draw. I remember, I believe that, I remember, you know,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: I wasn't anchored anymore. I was just kind of like
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: holding the bow back and just trying to relax in
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: some kind of way, and just like, all right, just wait,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: just wait, just wait, like I don't like, there's no
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: shot right now. It's just a matter of hole in
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: the back. And then as soon as soon as she
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: starts moving again, you can get back, get anchored, and
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: you'll be good. And sure enough she did start to move.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: She moved behind this tree. I got back into shooting
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: position and anchored. And I had ranged earlier that day
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: this little opening on the other side of this tree,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: and so I knew that she was going to step
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: out somewhere between twenty and twenty five yards, and so
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: I thought, if she comes out in this opening, it's
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's probably a shot I can take. And sure
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: enough she stepped out there. I remember, we're thinking, all right,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: I bet she's like yards something like that, and and
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: I put it behind her shoulder and uh and let it.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Let it rip um. And for the sake of time,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: I'll describe this scenario quickly. The shot felt decent, other
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: than the fact that I just had been holding a long, long,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: long time, But I felt like I was in the
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: right spot, and I didn't feel like I flinched or
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: did anything crazy. Um. But when I saw her run off,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: she ran off like yards and then I saw her
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: disappear behind a big clump of trees down in the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: bottom of a ditch. And I never saw her come
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: on the other side. Somethinking, man, I bet she she
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: went down right there, like she's gotta be down right there.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: And we waited until dark. Went down there, looked at
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: the arrow, and the arrow didn't look as good as
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: it should have. Did not look like a double long.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of blood. There was a little
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: bit of like meaty stuff on it. Taylor, you swung by,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: stopped by, took a look at it, kind of walked
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: me through the different things you think about when recovering
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: a deer in this kind of scenario. Picture brand a
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: few things, and I think you felt the same way.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: The arrow didn't look great, Um, So we decided to
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: wait a couple of hours, right, I think we wait
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: a couple of hours, um, and then we're gonna take
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: up the trail. I gotta ask you, Taylor, you were
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: so kind as to drive over to check out the
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: arrow and chat with me with your wife in the
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: car on your way to date night, and uh didn't
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: seem like she was super thrilled that we were doing that.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Did how much trouble? How much trouble did you get
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: in for that delay? We had lots of expensive bottles
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: of wine at dinner, so it's all okay. Yeah, she
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: was fine after the first bottle, but the second bottles,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: of the third bottle, we're just more of an insurance policy,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: smart man. I was glad. I was glad that I
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: texted you and I did not have to come out
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: and help track, because I don't know how helpful I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: would have been after uh that much wine. But yeah,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: she was. She was less than less than pleased to
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: find out that we were actually not going to dinner.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: We were going to go over to a property real quick.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: And uh, look at look at what you know? That's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: what kind of having some buddies around for he's really
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: helpful in the burbs and have an extra set of eyes.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: It's really very invaluable. Yeah, well, I certainly appreciate it
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: was just great to be able to um go through
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Taylor Chamberlain's rules of of recovery in these settings,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: and you know the important things where don't draw attention
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: to yourself. Um, you know, hopefully this you know, hopefully
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: I did everything right in the front ends that we
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: don't have a long track job. But you know, don't
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: draw attention because in the middle of night, people seeing
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: lights and stuff. If you draw concern. Um, you know,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: if you do cover the deer, get it out of
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: there quickly. Don't leave gut piles and you know places
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: where they would be terribly um conspicuous. Uh YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: So we cover all that kind of stuff, and then
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: eventually I went back to track track that deer down
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: into that ditch up the other side and unfortunately to
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: a property line where we didn't have permission yet, and
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: it actually went it was going right to like the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: edge of two properties. So I was like at a
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: t junction with the property we had permission on, and
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: then there's two other properties and the blood trailer went
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: right to the corner of those two spots. So me
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: and uh my producer went to go knock on those
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: doors to get permission to go track. And this is
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: where the story gets particularly uh interesting, I guess, because
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: one door. One person answered the door and was like, oh, well, okay, sure,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: whatever you gotta do, no big deal. Um. Now I
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: gotta remember this is by this time, it's after dark.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: We're in the suburbs outside of Washington, d C. As
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: you described, Taylor, people that live out here don't want
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: to be bothered. They're not you know, they don't want
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: people around. Now it's dark and someone's at their door
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: with a flashlight. Um. So this guy handled it well,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: but the other person did not handle it well. The
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: other person, you know, got to the door and you
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: had their spotlight on me. Um. And I'm trying to
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: make myself as unthreatening as possible. Like my hands are visible, Um,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: I have a flashlight, but I'm not pointing at their eyes.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like pointing in my direction more so so they
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: can see me clearly. Um. And you know I stand
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: away from the door, so like I'm not right up
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: in their grill. Um yeah, because I know this could
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: be like an uncomfortable situation for a homeowner or so
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of anything I can do to
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: seem less threatening. But this person won't even open the door.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: He just presses his face against the glass. And he's like,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing? Why are
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: you here? Um? And I said, I'm so sorry. You know,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: here's the situation. And I explained that, you know, I
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: I'm hunting on your neighbors, I have permission to be
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: hunting there, got a shot of the deer, blah blah blah,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: just just kind of try to quickly explain what's going on.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Explained that I was hoping to get permission to to
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: continue tracking the deer and also just let you know,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: like why you're seeing lights back there, and immediately the guys,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: I'm calling the cops. I'm calling the cops. I'm like,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: you don't need to call the cops, sir. I've just
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: you know, this is what I just wanted to explain
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: what was going on, and if you don't want me
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: on your property, we we won't do that. I just
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, respect your wishes and explain the situation.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: He just kept saying, I'm calling the cops. I don't care.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: I'm calling the cops. You can't come on my property.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: You can't come to property. I'm like, okay, hey, alright,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna come on your property. No
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: need to call the cops. Um, you we'll we'll get
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: out of your hair. So we leave and go back
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: to the property we're hunting, go back to the truck,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: kind of unload any last year. And we said, okay,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: well let's go track to the property that we do
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: have permission on, and sure enough, that ended up being
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: where the doe went. So we followed the blood that property,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: and unfortunately the blood trail at this point had really diminished.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: It had been decent and it had never been a ton,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: but we were able to follow it across where we
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: did a permission onto the new property, and then we
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: got to drop here, a little drop there, nothing. We're
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: doing circles. We're doing circles. We're doing circles. Um. And
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: at this point, based on the arrow and just the drop, drop, drop,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: it was like, okay, this this deer either we're gonna
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: find it dead right away or this is like a
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: flesh wound based on the meat on the air and everything.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: But I'm still, you know, having hope. And then all
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, I see these lights pull up, cars
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: pulling up, lights pulling up on the neighbors, and I
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: just knew right away I'm like, they called the cops,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: and sure enough, here come, here come big flashlights coming
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: our way, and a couple of cops came over, and uh,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to know what the heck was
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: going on. So um, my producer was there with us.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: This is our our, our our buddy Andreas was out
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: there with us too, and he's like, let me, let
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: me take care of us. And he's got like of
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: our paperwork. He has our our filming permits and our
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: permission slips and all the stuff that shows that we're
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: doing what we're doing legally and everything. So he went
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: over there and the cops talk to him and had
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: us explain what we were doing and what was going on,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: and explaining what we told the neighbors and why we
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: stopped at their house and so on and so forth.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: And it was like a very stressful situation in the moment,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: and we're all like trying to you know, keep our
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: hands up and like not up. But I mean, like
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: I just remember thinking about it. Don't do anything weird,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: don't you know, Just let's just stand still. Let's just
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: do nothing threatening. Let's not give anyone an excuse to
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: get over excited, because We're in the middle of the night.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: There's flashlights pointing all over the place, and there's cops,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: and everyone's stressed out, and I'm upset, and we're not
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: finding the deer. And eventually they let us go and
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: continue our stuff. But to make a long story short,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: we were not able to continue tracking that deer much further.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: We found one little other drop of blood after that,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: and it was it was dried up, and seemed at
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: that point that that this was like a brisket shot,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: a super low shot. If I were to guess what
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: I think happened is that I must have dropped my
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: my arm, my bow arm, so on that shot. I
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: was at full drop for so long that when I released,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: I must have came down a little bit low, you know,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: just that arm being tired, and I probably just hit
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: super low, you know, on the belly or a little
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: forward and low, something like that. And that deer gonna flesh,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: wound bled some, but dried up, and UH, and she
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: carried on her way and we dealt with the cops.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find the deer, went back to the car,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: was super depressed and bummed out about it, and UH
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: and had to end end our trip on that low note,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: which is a bummer after you know, a lot of
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: fun and excitement. It was a bummer way to end it,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: but I guess it was a a really full circle
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: look at what suburban and urban hunting can be. Like.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: We had we saw a big buck, We had a
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: shot at a young buck. We had a bunch of
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: cool encounters with doe as we saw lots of deer
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: in yards. We saw a big buck in a yard.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: We talked to landowners who liked us, we talked to
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: landowners who hated us. We got permission in some places,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: we got a lot of nose from others, and we
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: end up getting the cops called. I mean, it was
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: it was everything you could ever dream of right here.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: We get it all. You got the full, the full
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: gauntlet thrown at you. It's amazing how unnerving having the
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: cops called on you can be when you know that
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: you're doing everything one by the book. But still, I
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: mean I probably have the cops called on me probably
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: fifty times, you know times, um yeah, because I don't
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: feel so bad, yeah, but but it's never once have
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: I been doing anything illegal or wrong? Right I'm like,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: you know, when the cops come, and it's kind of
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: unnerving because a lot of the times with offs have
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: never dealt with a hunter before either, and they're like,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: you know, winds deer season like now like obviously like
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, people answer that differently, you know, I mean,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: they just don't, uh, they don't deal with it a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: lot either, and so it's kind of like an unknown
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: for them, which makes it a little hairy. And I
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's very unsettling to have to deal with
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: the police and um. But you know, like unfortunately you're
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: hunting a quarter acre or half acre or three acre
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: a lot whatever. Um. Still, even on that three acre
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: a lot, there's only like a very small buffer on
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: the fringe, that is where where the bubble overlaps with
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: where you can actually hunt them. And like the deer
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: end up off property a lot even if you take
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: a perfect shot. And unfortunately sometimes you have to knock
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: on doors and get permission and deal with piste off
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: people and police and weird recoveries and you know, it's
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: just it's the nature of urban hunting. But at the
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, would you say the
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: juice is worth a squeeze? Like was it was it
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: that interesting of a hunt? Or would you prefer rural,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: standard market hunting spots. So I will be as I'll
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: be honest with the Taylor. I I one see the appeal,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: and I had fun, and I'm really glad I did it,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: and I learned a ton and it was really cool.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: But I will also say that I did find certain
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: elements of it stressful and um like, like like many
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: of them, like many of them, And so I think
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: I prefer the Mark Kenyan way, is what I'll say.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: I prefer my rural countries loots where there's less stress.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: But I definitely see why this is so much fun
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: for you and why it's a really cool thing that
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: people can get out and do, especially if you live
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: somewhere like this and it's not easy to get out
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: in the country. Um, I mean it's it's sure a
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: heck of a lot better than sit on the couch. Um.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: And anyone who does this like you do and does
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: it consistently and gets it done and has figured out
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: how to navigate the red tape, I mean that is
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: no easy task. So so kudos to anyone who's doing it.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: And and I want to second or I want to
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: kind of qualify that what by when I say it's
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: no easy task, Like yet, it's not easy, but it's
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: definitely possible. Like I mean I was able to pull
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: it off in a couple of days, Like I was
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: able to get permission, I was able to find places
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: to shoot deer. I had opportunities of deer. So it's
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: it's also something to be said that, like this thing
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: is out there for you, it's accessible, it's available. If
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: you've not been able to get out and hunt as
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: much as you want because you have to drive a
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: long ways, consider this because this kind of thing is
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: available in a lot of cities and a lot of
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: suburbs and a lot of neighborhoods, and it can be
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: a really cool thing. So so I saw the good
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: and the bad, that the fun and the stressful and
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: um and I think that you know, expecting a little
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: both is probably a good thing to having. Mind. Yeah,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: I would think that if anybody lived in a rural
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: area and they chose to drive into a suburban area
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: to hunt, there's something wrong with that, right because in
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: this stress and just bs that you have to deal with.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: But if you live in a metropolitan area, you should
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: not be driving. I mean, you can drive, I remember,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: the heck you want to hunt, but there are ample
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: hunting opportunities hidden right under your nose that you probably
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: are overlooking. And so if you're a guy who really
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: wants to get out more, I mean, that's how I
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: ended up hunting in the suburbs. I you know, my
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: family lives in northern Virginia. UM, I came back there
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: after college. I was really bummed out because I was
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: not able to hunt. And then I slowly kind of
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: realized that this hunting gold mine that I was sitting
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: on top of in terms of quantity and the length
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: of the season, Like, yes, it is very stressful. There's
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that is tough to deal with,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: you know. Right now is we're recording this, I'm in Ohio,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: and I'm like really, really really enjoying being able to
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: drive out to a farm and go out to a
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: property and just hunt wherever I want. Um. But you know,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: that's amazing, And I would take that ten days out
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: of ten if I could. But you know, if you
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: want to go hunt before work and then drive into
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: the office like I do all the time, like that,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: that's where urban hunting comes in, so there are these
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: amazing opportunities in front of you, and and all it
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: takes is a little bit of hard work to kind
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: of get up to the top of the hill there,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: and then it's pretty soon sailing from there. Yeah, I
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: was gonna say, like it, you know, there, it does
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, there's part of it that does
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: feel like we've kind of showed a bit of a
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: negative light on it. But I think to like some
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: of the stress that we um we're having was coming
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: you know, We're we're diving into a community, right, we're
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: coming out of like where what we're used to here,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: and just like going into d C and trying to
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: knock on doors and were immediately caught off guard by
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: just like gates and cameras and this and that. But like, yeah,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: like you're saying, uh, if if that's your community, then
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: you know it's definitely right there for you, and it
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: probably you probably won't have this the amount of stress
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: that we did because the shock value isn't there for
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: you like it was for us. So I mean, I
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to discourage anyone from trying this either. Definitely,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: definitely it was a hell of an experience. I'm really
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  Speaker 1: glad I did it, and I do still have like
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  Speaker 1: a craw in my I don't know what to saying is,
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  Speaker 1: but I've got something that makes me want to go
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  Speaker 1: back at some point and get the job done. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not writing off the possibility of me showing
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  Speaker 1: up at your door again, Taylor and saying, damn it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it here. The door is always well.
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  Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough, man, Um, you were the
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  Speaker 1: consummate host. It was. You were a great teacher. It
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  Speaker 1: was so much fun to get to spend some time
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  Speaker 1: with you and learn your ways of doing this stuff
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  Speaker 1: out there and getting to explore your neck of the woods.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, just just thank you again, just over and over,
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  Speaker 1: and thank you justin for for dealing with me and
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  Speaker 1: dragging along behind me everything and doing all these crazy
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  Speaker 1: things we do. It was. It was a lot of fun, guys,
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  Speaker 1: my pleasure. Guys. That's sure, well, Taylor, real quick, before
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  Speaker 1: we go, where can Pete will learn more about this
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  Speaker 1: kind of hunting. You've got a lot of different stuff
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  Speaker 1: you're putting out their classes, YouTube videos. Where would you
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  Speaker 1: point people towards if they want to learn more? From
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  Speaker 1: you about how to do this whole urban hunting thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: check out. So I'm on Instagram as Urban Bowman. Feel
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  Speaker 1: free to check me out. UM. I have a podcast
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  Speaker 1: and YouTube series on hunt Urban and our podcast called
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  Speaker 1: Hanging Hunt. And I actually partnered up with the sek
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  Speaker 1: one guys, who are the only other guys I know
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  Speaker 1: that have been doing this as long as I have. UM,
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  Speaker 1: and we went through and created what we call our Masterclass,
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  Speaker 1: which is a uh tip to tail full on how
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  Speaker 1: to do everything urban hunting from our literal word to
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  Speaker 1: word pitch everything online so you can google that and
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  Speaker 1: check so on kline and get down the rabbit hole
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  Speaker 1: of all things urban. I love it, all right, gents,
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  Speaker 1: Well thanks again, and uh let's wrap this up all right,
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  Speaker 1: and that's a wrap. Thank you for tuning in. Let
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  Speaker 1: me leave you with a couple of plugs number one.
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  Speaker 1: If you're looking for any gift ideas, If you're looking
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  Speaker 1: for anything for your friends or family here with Christmas
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  Speaker 1: coming up, head on over to the Meat Eater store.
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  Speaker 1: We've got all sorts of gear that we're selling now merchandise,
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  Speaker 1: some of our favorite partner gear, like we now have
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: our tethered Phantom saddle that I love. We can sell
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  Speaker 1: that now on the Mediator site. We've got the Timber
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  Speaker 1: Ninja climbing sticks that I swear by. Those are available now,
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  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other stuff. Why are didn't T Shirts?
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  Speaker 1: Check it out, good gift ideas out there. Also the
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  Speaker 1: show that we're filming that we did film earlier this
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  Speaker 1: year and that we are releasing this year, So this
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: is different than the DC hunt I just described, But
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: one week in November is the show that I was
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  Speaker 1: co hosting that you can watch this year on the
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  Speaker 1: Mediator YouTube channel. Check that out for the story of
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  Speaker 1: my iole hunt, as well as what Spencer new Heart,
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and Clay Newcome were at up to across
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  Speaker 1: the country, So check it out. Best to suck out
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  Speaker 1: there in the woods if you were still hunting, and
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  Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to h