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The Santa Clause - Part 2 with Grace Thomas · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. What you're about
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Speaker 1: to hear is part two of our very long two
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Speaker 1: part episode about the Santa Claus that we recorded live
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Speaker 1: in Denver. If you haven't listened to part one yet,
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Speaker 1: we strongly suggest you go back and listen to that first.
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Speaker 1: And before we get into part two of the episode,
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Speaker 1: we just wanted to remind everyone about some upcoming live
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Speaker 1: shows that we have. January two, we will be in
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Speaker 1: San Francisco at SF Sketch Fest at the Gateway Theater
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Speaker 1: and we're covering the Social Network. On January, we will
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Speaker 1: be in New York for the Brooklyn Podcast Festival at
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Speaker 1: the Bellhouse and we will be covering Black Swan. And finally,
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Speaker 1: on January we will be in Philadelphia at Good Good
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Speaker 1: Comedy Theater and we'll be covering The Sixth Sense. As always,
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Speaker 1: more details and ticket links to our live shows are
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Speaker 1: on our website becktel cast dot com and click on
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Speaker 1: the live tab and enjoy part two of the Santa
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Speaker 1: Claus on the bell Cast. The questions asked if movies
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Speaker 1: have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
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Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy, zef
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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the bec Del cast. You know,
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Speaker 1: there's so much to unpack with this movie. Where do
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Speaker 1: we begin. It's a feminist tax that much we know. Well, okay,
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Speaker 1: it's on every list and yes, um, I just didn't
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Speaker 1: want to mention there is a Denver connection because at
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Speaker 1: one point Scott Kelvin is talking to Bernard the Elephant.
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Speaker 1: He's like, can we take a direct flight back to
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Speaker 1: reality or do we have to change planes in Denver?
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Speaker 1: And then we're like, wow, that's why we did this here.
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Speaker 1: Why are you all clapping for the worst part of Denver?
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Speaker 1: The airport is the worst thing the city has to offer.
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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the airport here. I think about it
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Speaker 1: at least once a week. I'm dead serious. I love
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Speaker 1: I love the story about how the scary horse statue
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Speaker 1: killed the artist. I like everything. If if on your
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Speaker 1: way out, if you have some very specific Denver airport
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Speaker 1: anecdotal scary Illuminati ship I want to know. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I'm consumed by it. I all laugh and clap now,
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Speaker 1: but that airport is going to kill us all one
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Speaker 1: and it won't be very cool and creepy and weird.
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Speaker 1: And quirky that I passed the gargoyles yesterday, grace past
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Speaker 1: the luggage gargoyles. I just I would let someone kill
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Speaker 1: me there. Well, the first things I the first thing
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about is the first thing we
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Speaker 1: see in the movie is Tim Ellen. He's receiving an
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Speaker 1: award for his do it All for you Ali, which
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Speaker 1: what is what is that? Let's not even think about
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Speaker 1: it for a second. But he had I forgot that
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Speaker 1: he had a business partner. He has a business partner.
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Speaker 1: One of the few people of color in the entire movie.
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Speaker 1: She is a woman who starts to accept like she's like,
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Speaker 1: thank you, and then he pushes her out of the way.
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Speaker 1: He grabs the microphone out of her hand, interrupts her,
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Speaker 1: and starts being like, let's fucking party, Like that's what
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Speaker 1: he that's what he does. I can't really defend Scott there, right.
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Speaker 1: I would say that it's possible it was it was
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Speaker 1: a stage direction, mishap. Okay, No, that's that's not what happened.
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Speaker 1: He should have let her finish her sentence and given
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Speaker 1: her thanks, and then he could have leaned in with
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Speaker 1: his stupid comments. But yes, I also wasn't lost on us,
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Speaker 1: Sure wasn't. And then shortly after that he's driving home.
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Speaker 1: He's on the phone with Laura, I think, and he's
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Speaker 1: lying to her because he's like, oh man, there's so
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Speaker 1: much traffic. I'm going to be so too lit at
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Speaker 1: the do It All for You Doll Christmas party. Gross,
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Speaker 1: there's like that Well, I was gonna say, there's like
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Speaker 1: that weird comment that like alludes to like one of
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Speaker 1: his co workers is having sex with a secretary your wife,
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Speaker 1: and it's the coworker that stressed the Santa Claus as well. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: which is significant. I'm sure it's for it's it's really significant.
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Speaker 1: But we're gonna go into that on the Patreon version. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you can't get it for free, and we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: checking subscriptions before we get into that. But he's lying
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Speaker 1: to Laura and then he pretends to like keep this
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Speaker 1: illusion alive of there being so much traffic. He pretends
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Speaker 1: to scream at a woman driver who I guess like
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Speaker 1: flipped him off in his imagination, and then he's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: same to you, and that's not very lady like. It's like, well, okay, Scott,
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Speaker 1: women aren't allowed to flip people off, What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: I think the point here is that he is a
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Speaker 1: raging misogynist, thank younist, not a raging alcoholic. Just better.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. My dad was both, so I'm far
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Speaker 1: more disturbed by the other than him, like yelling at
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Speaker 1: a person who does not exist. I'm more disturbed by
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Speaker 1: the fact that he flirts with a child. We've got
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Speaker 1: bigger fish. I'm just getting warmed up. We've got bigger
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Speaker 1: fish to frout. Yeah, yeah, I think that. I mean again,
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Speaker 1: we we sort of touched on this already, but the
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Speaker 1: divorce narrative I think is kind of interesting. And then
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Speaker 1: we meet Laura. We never find out anything about her.
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Speaker 1: Let's not we let's find out about Judge Reinholdt like
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Speaker 1: we we find out a lot about Neil. We find
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Speaker 1: out what degrees he has, we find out what his
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Speaker 1: area of specialty like we we never find out if
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Speaker 1: Laura has a job that we don't know. We don't
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Speaker 1: all we know she wanted a board game when she
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Speaker 1: was little, and the board game is also like very
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Speaker 1: like coded feminine. So we learned way more about Neil
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Speaker 1: than we learn about Laura, which I think is kind
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Speaker 1: of like, I mean, you could easily just write out
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Speaker 1: Neil and have Laura driving that side of this story,
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Speaker 1: but they just don't do that because even like later
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Speaker 1: in the story, where Neil is the one who's the
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Speaker 1: driving force between like we have to take this to
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Speaker 1: a custody level, he thinks he's Santa and Laura is
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Speaker 1: more like, I don't know, and I feel like it's
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Speaker 1: like almost she gets the illusion of agency in that
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Speaker 1: scene where she's with Neil and she's like, I'm not sure,
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Speaker 1: like what's so wrong with believing in Santa Claus And
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Speaker 1: so she's kind of like reticent and pulling back. But
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that she feels that way narratively because
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Speaker 1: they're already at the courthouse and he loses custody two
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Speaker 1: seconds later. So it's like almost giving her the like, oh,
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Speaker 1: maybe she'll get to do something, and then she doesn't, right,
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Speaker 1: And that's all we know about her. That's all we know,
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Speaker 1: and that's the podcast. And with the cops too, it's
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Speaker 1: like when Charlie calls her from the North Bowl, it's
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Speaker 1: like keep him on the line, like she would not
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Speaker 1: do that. You know, she's not allowed to watch cop movies, right,
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Speaker 1: it's like and then I mean you touched on this, Jamie,
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Speaker 1: but like Scott Calvin is allowed to be a single man,
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Speaker 1: but like they had to have her be like remarried
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Speaker 1: or like partnered off of someone else, because god forbid
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Speaker 1: we see an unmarried woman on screen if we if
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Speaker 1: she if she was unmarried, we might need to learn
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Speaker 1: what her job was. What hate that? Yeah, No, so
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Speaker 1: I mean she's just like extremely I mean these are
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Speaker 1: from the creators of Lola Bunny, so I guess, like
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Speaker 1: you know, they're they're not space jam Mola Bunny's first appearance,
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Speaker 1: I believe, so yeah, yeah, the more you know, But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean she's she's like it sucks because I don't
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Speaker 1: think she's like a bad character. I think that there
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Speaker 1: are a lot of tropes that are avoided with her
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Speaker 1: that you see a lot, especially if it's like a
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Speaker 1: divorced woman. You see people often go for like the
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Speaker 1: shrill tropes or the like he's so fun and she
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Speaker 1: couldn't handle it, like or she's like using all of
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Speaker 1: his money, like you know, like she got like a
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Speaker 1: huge settlement or whatever. Yeah, like just kind of the
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Speaker 1: basic stuff that you see a lot and the good thing.
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Speaker 1: It sucks because it's like nothing is really written in
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Speaker 1: place of those tropes. Um, but like it is clear
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Speaker 1: that Scott and Laura and Neil all very much care
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Speaker 1: about Charlie's well being and that is like they're driving,
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Speaker 1: like she doesn't want to be talking to Scott, but
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Speaker 1: she will for short bursts because she has to. And
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Speaker 1: like I don't know that that I thought was like
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Speaker 1: pretty well done. Yeah, I mean, and there there is
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Speaker 1: just like we were talking about the Christmas Industrial Complex
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Speaker 1: on the way over here, and it is like a
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Speaker 1: more so than any other. I mean, there's the most
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Speaker 1: characters associated I mean, I think, at least in American
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Speaker 1: culture with the Christmas holiday, and they're all I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm grinched out tonight. Right. We've got the Grinch, We've
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Speaker 1: got Santa, We've got Jack Frost, We've got who else?
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Speaker 1: Do we got frostst Snowman, Scrooge, Rudolph, Rudolph Bastard right there?
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Speaker 1: We got snow Miser and heat Miser right there. They
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Speaker 1: they have the best songs and also the only gay
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Speaker 1: characters in all Christmas. At least, at least we get
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Speaker 1: queer representation. The Snow and Heat miser. I do love
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Speaker 1: snow and heat miser I feel like they're underrated. But
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Speaker 1: there it's it's such a like it's such a male
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Speaker 1: Jesus right, oh my three wives. Man forgot the other
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Speaker 1: people who were there at Jesus Jimmy j C. Just
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Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ makes you wow. What if whoever kills
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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ has to become most judious Christ this summer.
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Speaker 1: Judas is in for a route away anyway, So it
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Speaker 1: is it's a very like male dominated holiday idealized. But
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Speaker 1: and the movie is too. It's like the most famous
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Speaker 1: Christmas movies, like this is one of them. Home Alone
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Speaker 1: is one of them. A Christmas Story is one of them.
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Speaker 1: Three very similar kids, like basically the same area, in
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Speaker 1: the same background. Like it's it's all like little white
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Speaker 1: boys that you're supposed to like from fairly upscale families
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Speaker 1: that you're supposed to be plugging yourself into for like
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Speaker 1: most movies in general, but it is particularly bad for
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Speaker 1: like this genre of movie I will defend. There is
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Speaker 1: a deleted scene from the Santa Claus where they do
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Speaker 1: reveal or as job. She's an anthropology professor. Really, it's
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Speaker 1: it's in the month where Charlie has been kid napped.
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Speaker 1: She cancels, she cancels UM student hours. What I only
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Speaker 1: went to. She cancels office affice for a day. And
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Speaker 1: the scene is just ten minutes of her crying at
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Speaker 1: her office. I can't I was in the middle. I
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Speaker 1: was like, she's issues. I found out a fund My
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Speaker 1: favorite fact I found out about this film. Sorry, UM
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with women. Here is what it is.
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Speaker 1: Towards the beginning of the film, a brief exchange between
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Speaker 1: Scott and Laura takes place in which, and this is
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Speaker 1: from the original cut in ninety four you can't find
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Speaker 1: it now, uh, A brief exchange takes place between Scott
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Speaker 1: and Laura in which Laura hands Scott a piece of
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Speaker 1: paper with Neil's mother's phone number on it. Scott then
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Speaker 1: says one eight hundred spank me, I know that number.
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Speaker 1: In the United States, the exchange was removed from all
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Speaker 1: home media releases of the film, starting with the DVD release,
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Speaker 1: after an incident in which a child from steal Acomb,
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Speaker 1: Washington called the number, which turned out to be an
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Speaker 1: actual working sex line number, and racked up a four
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Speaker 1: hundred dollar bill. Now that you say that I remember
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Speaker 1: heard that. I remember that from like when I like,
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Speaker 1: I must have seen it before they cut it out,
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Speaker 1: but oh my god, it's yeah. I guess if you
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Speaker 1: saw it before, it would still be in there. And
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Speaker 1: then one kid in Washington ruined it for all of us.
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Speaker 1: So anyways, that's the only fact about this I was
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Speaker 1: gonna say that that. Um, I think, like you said, Jamie,
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Speaker 1: like this movie subverts some of those like trophy stereotype
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Speaker 1: things we see in a lot of like children and
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Speaker 1: family movies in that like a lot of mom characters
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Speaker 1: would be poised as like a very shrewd but she
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Speaker 1: and Scott are generally making an effort. They're making an effort,
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Speaker 1: and she seems to be like level headed and just
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Speaker 1: like a reasonable person, and we don't know anything about
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Speaker 1: her other than that. But it also Charlie really likes
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Speaker 1: and respects her, to which I feel like is especially
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Speaker 1: coming off of like a home alone episode were of
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Speaker 1: a colleague games like my mom is dat like he's
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Speaker 1: so he's a very furious, little tiny person, um, but
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Speaker 1: Charlie is like he loves his mom. He also loves
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Speaker 1: Neil um and they don't like demonize the stepparent coming
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Speaker 1: in and he Charlie knows all this, all these this
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Speaker 1: like psychologists lingo. I bet if you try to dose
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Speaker 1: your well beatrin, he'd be like, oh, yeah, I can
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Speaker 1: do that, right, he's eight years old. But like I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, the way the parenting was treated, I thought, yeah, nice,
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Speaker 1: it was, Yeah, it was fine. It was I would say,
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Speaker 1: almost unrealistic. Yeah, do parents really care them? Maybe that
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Speaker 1: respectful to each other after such a rift is form?
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Speaker 1: Let's going going? My childhood would say otherwise the optimism.
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Speaker 1: Another woman in the movie, there's two women who work
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Speaker 1: at Charlie's school. One is his teacher. She doesn't know
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Speaker 1: the word stepfather because it is like Charlie, bring up
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Speaker 1: your your your neil, you're all right? What is wrong
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Speaker 1: with you? You know? Um? And then his principle, who
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Speaker 1: do we get a name for the principle? I don't get.
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Speaker 1: She's one of the only speaking role right well her,
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Speaker 1: and then um, Scott's business partner at the beginning he
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Speaker 1: pushes out of the way. Um, so you know not
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Speaker 1: both of those characters get my thirty seconds of screen
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Speaker 1: time at most. Yeah, yeah, there. And then there's a
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Speaker 1: Judy the Elf Judy with the kid that Tim Allen
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Speaker 1: hits on. Yes, not only does he hit on her,
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Speaker 1: but she's like, I'm dating some yeah, I'm in, which
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Speaker 1: again just suggests a horrible reality. And also the North Pole,
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Speaker 1: at least when Scott Calvin arrives in the first one,
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Speaker 1: is a pretty gender normative space where Judy is really
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Speaker 1: only doing domestic duties. She's like working as Santa's assistant.
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Speaker 1: She's bringing him cookie, she's making sure he's comfortable in
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Speaker 1: the best pajama exactly. And then we see the entire
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Speaker 1: Elf military is all male. You know, Bernard's the CEO,
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Speaker 1: and and you know, so there's there's there's work to
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Speaker 1: be done at the North Pole. I'll say it, say
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Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah. One thing that I didn't hate about
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Speaker 1: this movie that says everything because it rules it's not
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Speaker 1: very good. Um oh, I'm sorry. She actively untrue. He
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Speaker 1: Santa falls off a lad Yeah, and my dad saw
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Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, brilliant cinemas. There's a British alf oh yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Why was it was a choice or was he really British?
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Speaker 1: I was on the fence. I mean yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: this is a very American normative. Most of the people
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Speaker 1: in the North Pole are Americans, don't doesn't track but anyway, Um,
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Speaker 1: one of the things that I don't hate about the
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Speaker 1: movie is that they at least acknowledge that not everyone
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Speaker 1: celebrates Christmas because in that line, that line of questioning,
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Speaker 1: when Neil is like, well how could he be Santa?
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Speaker 1: When this, this and this, and Charlie is like, well,
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Speaker 1: not everyone celebrates Christmas. Not everyone has a fireplace, ak
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Speaker 1: not everyone's rich because fireplace equals rich. And that's the
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Speaker 1: end of my statement. I like Charlie that I think
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Speaker 1: like Charlie is a cool because I feel like sometimes
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Speaker 1: in in in movies, people will like undershoot or overshoot,
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Speaker 1: like how a child character is written. Like it's so
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Speaker 1: annoying to me when a kid is written as like
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Speaker 1: too smart or precocious, where it's like five hundred days
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Speaker 1: of summer and there's like a little girl folding around
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Speaker 1: like Jesse in Court and love it. You don't understand
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Speaker 1: emotional labor. I'm like, shuck, like I'm exhausted by that.
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Speaker 1: But it's like Charlie. Charlie is like a smart kid,
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Speaker 1: but not so smart that you're like, this is unrealistic.
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Speaker 1: He's just an emotionally intelligent step son of a therapist.
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Speaker 1: He's just and I love that for he's an empathetic kid.
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Speaker 1: I have. I have a little context corner, please, yes, okay?
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Speaker 1: So I went online, I logged in, okay, and I
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Speaker 1: was curious because you know, Christmas Is has so many
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Speaker 1: looming male figures over it. As wondering what the history
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Speaker 1: of women as Santa was. And there was a great
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Speaker 1: article that came out in Mail magazine last year that
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Speaker 1: breaks that down very concisely. And I want to tell
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Speaker 1: you my favorite over the past a hundred fifty years,
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Speaker 1: the various attempts of women to get involved in Santa
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Speaker 1: and the various ways in which they have been shut
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Speaker 1: down and sometimes arrested. What So, in eighteen forty nine,
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Speaker 1: we have the first recorded moment of women as Santa,
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Speaker 1: or a woman is a part of Santa lore. Mrs
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Speaker 1: Claus is first introduced as a concept in eighteen forty nine,
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Speaker 1: right ninety seven quote. It's not quite female Santa just yet,
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Speaker 1: but we see our first inklings when Charles W. Howard
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Speaker 1: found the Charles W. Howards Santa Claus School in New
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Speaker 1: York aka Santa University, to train up and coming Santa's.
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Speaker 1: And he lets two women trained to be Santa's only
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Speaker 1: if all the other Santas are killed at Santa University.
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Speaker 1: What's that man's name again? Charles W. Howard That he's
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Speaker 1: a hero there feminist icon and no, but he is
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Speaker 1: actually not, because I say they're The women who are
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Speaker 1: trained to Santa's are trained to quote great little girls
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Speaker 1: learn what they want in their Christmas stockings, teach them
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Speaker 1: how to play with dollies, dollhouses, dishes and clothes. So
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Speaker 1: not so good things get interesting. The first female Santa.
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Speaker 1: It's World War two. World War two creates a Santa
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Speaker 1: vacuum by shipping. Wait right, it's so there's a Santa
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Speaker 1: vacuum because all able bodied men are fighting in the war.
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Speaker 1: There's no one. There's not someone around to be Santa. Wait,
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Speaker 1: women step in. There needs to be like a league
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Speaker 1: of their own, but for Santa. And well, let's make
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Speaker 1: Santa University first. First things, very Donald famous for crying,
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Speaker 1: but it's okay. So women step in to do you know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of jobs, A lot of women enter the workforce,
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Speaker 1: and Santa is no exception. A Chicago department store throws
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Speaker 1: a woman a bone. Quote. The manpower shortage has even
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Speaker 1: hit old st Nick unquote. The Smithsonian reported at the
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Speaker 1: time this Lady Santa Claus has turned up dressed like Mr.
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Speaker 1: Claus except for the whiskers, at a Chicago department store,
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Speaker 1: and youngster seemed just as happy telling her which gifts
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Speaker 1: they're hoping for. That same year, a new Jersey Woolworth
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Speaker 1: hires a female Santa because they are quote unable to
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Speaker 1: find a man suitable for the job unquote. The mother
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Speaker 1: of eight, Anna Michaelson wears the biopic will where a skirt,
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Speaker 1: well where a skirt and set of trousers, but all
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Speaker 1: the other stuff will be the same as the traditional
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Speaker 1: Chris Kringle. This fuel's outrage, but people eventually accept it.
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Speaker 1: But the Wichita Daily Times calls the ordeal women quote
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Speaker 1: invading another male. Bastian columnist Henry McLemore pends a national
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Speaker 1: op ed calling it a quote minor hall, Christine Kringle,
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Speaker 1: Sarah st Nicholas, Susie Santa Claus, holy smoke unquote. It's
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Speaker 1: he also should have said, Sandra Claus. But listen when
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Speaker 1: it comes to my opinion. Clause died on the beaches
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Speaker 1: of Normanchy. You're really just adding to Santa University lore,
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Speaker 1: because there is. Santa University was up in operational in
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Speaker 1: World War Two. If you want me to write enough,
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Speaker 1: I could use this. Ninety three British actress Daisy Bellmore
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Speaker 1: accepts the job of a female Santa in New York
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Speaker 1: for Sax's fifth Avenue. The beardless Bellmore is called Mrs Clause,
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Speaker 1: but is given her own throne and full Santa Wish
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Speaker 1: granting powers. That same year, Max Factor releases a photo
22:54
Speaker 1: of the ideal Santa Ladies included. Aside from portraying the
22:58
Speaker 1: female Santa with nail polish, women portraying St. Nick are
23:01
Speaker 1: instructed to masculinize the performance in every way, including puffing
23:05
Speaker 1: their cheeks with cotton, lowering their voices, and putting on
23:08
Speaker 1: a fake bulbous nose. Four women begin dressing as female
23:13
Speaker 1: This is I'm going to say every year up to
23:15
Speaker 1: the present. I'm kidding. Women begin dressing as female Santa's
23:20
Speaker 1: around the holidays for charity, and a sixty two year
23:23
Speaker 1: old Phoebec Brook wears the bio pig Is notably wears
23:28
Speaker 1: the beard as well. For half a century there's little
23:33
Speaker 1: kerfuffle over women and Santa clause. Then Donna Underwood of
23:38
Speaker 1: West Virginia is hired to portray Santa for a local mall.
23:41
Speaker 1: A mall manager complains, the mall fires her, She sues them,
23:46
Speaker 1: she loses. Marta Brown is given the part of a
23:52
Speaker 1: female Santa at a Louisville, Kentucky walmart, then loses it
23:56
Speaker 1: when a customer complains. She sues sixty thous and dollars
24:00
Speaker 1: for lost wages, and like Underwood, she loses again. This
24:06
Speaker 1: is the end women, isn't there? Oh? I guess I would?
24:11
Speaker 1: I guess I meant they lost in court the same thing. Uh.
24:15
Speaker 1: Last year, two women volunteered to play Santa in a
24:18
Speaker 1: Christmas parade in England and the town Protestant uh. And
24:25
Speaker 1: the outcome, as of the time of writing was undecided
24:28
Speaker 1: of whether they would be allowed to march. And then
24:31
Speaker 1: this year there's been a lot made of there's an
24:33
Speaker 1: Anna Kendrick vehicle coming out at Disney Plus where they're like,
24:36
Speaker 1: it's female Santa, don't be fooled by the big mouse.
24:40
Speaker 1: She plays Santa's daughter. The fucking patriarchy is upheld. Santa
24:46
Speaker 1: does she become Santa in the end. I don't know,
24:49
Speaker 1: it's not so all that to say. The fight continues.
24:55
Speaker 1: Uh Santa is a woman. Yeah, okay, that's that's that's
25:00
Speaker 1: what I had to say. Thank you, You're welcome. Let's
25:04
Speaker 1: see I wrote down feminist icon. Soy milk girl. Oh
25:10
Speaker 1: she was so sweets. That was her name. Judy is
25:14
Speaker 1: the Judy is the elf? Right, I forget she's I
25:18
Speaker 1: don't think she might not have been named. She has
25:20
Speaker 1: an arc, but she doesn't have a name right because
25:24
Speaker 1: Scott Calvin shows up the first day is like Santa
25:26
Speaker 1: Claus for idiots, and then he comes back and he's like,
25:29
Speaker 1: I've changed my views and I see your political point.
25:33
Speaker 1: The next year, Jamie, what episode wasn't recently that you
25:36
Speaker 1: were talking about how almost every story ever made is
25:40
Speaker 1: like a father son story. Oh, I really could be
25:45
Speaker 1: anything there. I think it was a Matreon episode. But yeah,
25:51
Speaker 1: there's just like so many stories that even when they
25:54
Speaker 1: like even sometimes we're a movie. I noticed it lately,
25:58
Speaker 1: and I don't think this is spoiling anything. But even
26:00
Speaker 1: when I saw a Parasite, which I loved that movie
26:02
Speaker 1: so much, but like, even when there are well written
26:05
Speaker 1: female characters in the movie. There's still just a core
26:08
Speaker 1: of like but it's really about a father and a
26:10
Speaker 1: son do each other right, and you're just like, come up,
26:14
Speaker 1: please please. Also, this is something we've talked about, probably
26:17
Speaker 1: more on the patroon ak Matreon, but because we've covered
26:21
Speaker 1: a lot of Grinch and Muppets, Christmas Carol on that.
26:27
Speaker 1: But yeah, um, so many Christmas stories end up being
26:31
Speaker 1: like male redemption stories. And this is also no exception
26:35
Speaker 1: where like he sharts starts out sharts, Oh my god,
26:40
Speaker 1: oh my god. That was another scene cut from the DVD.
26:47
Speaker 1: You do hear them fart when they starts to gain weight.
26:50
Speaker 1: But anyway, um, that's how it works actly. I came
26:55
Speaker 1: about every day I gained a pound, I shipped my pants. Okay, listeners, listeners, listeners,
27:11
Speaker 1: I'm I have I'm threaded forty pounds. I don't know.
27:15
Speaker 1: I'm saying that. I just don't want them to think
27:19
Speaker 1: I'm real skinny, making fun saying that fat people ship
27:25
Speaker 1: their pants. I'm not saying that. I'm saying I ship
27:29
Speaker 1: my pants. I really think our listeners are going to
27:42
Speaker 1: benefit from that clarity. So Scott Calvin starts out as
27:53
Speaker 1: a shitty dad. See where I accidentally almost said short, Yeah,
27:58
Speaker 1: so he's a shitty dad and the the whole his whole
28:01
Speaker 1: arc is like this redemptive, like, oh, I have to
28:04
Speaker 1: like embrace being Santa so that I can like have
28:08
Speaker 1: my son love me. And it's just I'm very, very
28:12
Speaker 1: tired of male redemption stories. Here we have this one. Well, yeah,
28:17
Speaker 1: I mean I think that there is something to say.
28:20
Speaker 1: I think that there's just like too many of them.
28:22
Speaker 1: I think what to defend Scott Calvin Grace, red pilled
28:28
Speaker 1: me um, Scott calvid Uh. I do think that there
28:33
Speaker 1: is something to be said. As much as I will
28:35
Speaker 1: agree that there's a lot of male redemption stories out
28:38
Speaker 1: there and there's so many people that are underrepresented, I
28:42
Speaker 1: think that it's good to have male redemption stories in
28:44
Speaker 1: which the man has to demonstrate some sort of growth. Um.
28:49
Speaker 1: And that is a generally positive thing for you know,
28:52
Speaker 1: because like the way masculinity is portrayed and media is
28:55
Speaker 1: so skewed, and you get the idea that men can
28:58
Speaker 1: do nothing and still be granted a redemption arc for
29:01
Speaker 1: no reason. Because that happens in real life a lot.
29:04
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, at very least Scott Calvin demonstrates a
29:08
Speaker 1: change of mindset, a change of priorities, and appears to
29:13
Speaker 1: grow as a person, and that change sticks throughout. He
29:19
Speaker 1: remains Santa. In the beginning little portion he lets all
29:25
Speaker 1: these albums just beat him at football, and he's like,
29:27
Speaker 1: this is fun. You know I always would not have
29:29
Speaker 1: done that, wouldn't have done that. You know, he would
29:33
Speaker 1: have fired them. Yeah, and he saw hugs and kisses
29:36
Speaker 1: and he's like, I love cookies. It's you know, it's good,
29:40
Speaker 1: Like it's I like where Scott Calvin ends, we didn't
29:43
Speaker 1: need another male redemption story. But speaking of which, we
29:45
Speaker 1: are going to cover the Michael Keaton Jack Frost on
29:48
Speaker 1: the major on this year, which is the while this
29:52
Speaker 1: male redemption arc you'll ever encounter. I used to be
29:56
Speaker 1: so scared of that movie because Michael Keaton died is
30:00
Speaker 1: and then comes back to life as a snowman and
30:02
Speaker 1: then dies again. There you hate to see it alarming. Um,
30:10
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that's kind of all I had.
30:13
Speaker 1: We only had two hours worth of things to say
30:15
Speaker 1: about the Santagas. I'm just describing the plot. Um, No,
30:21
Speaker 1: we had. I honestly think we got one more discourse
30:25
Speaker 1: than I thought was possible. True, Yeah, No, that that's
30:30
Speaker 1: I think that that's all I had. Oh oh the
30:33
Speaker 1: joke that I thought was that I'd never noticed before.
30:36
Speaker 1: That really got me this time was um, when they're
30:40
Speaker 1: in the classroom and the parents are presenting and we
30:43
Speaker 1: cut into the middle of the scene where a fire.
30:47
Speaker 1: It's someone's parents who's a firefighter, and he's like, and
30:50
Speaker 1: that's why their degree burns are really bad. And the
30:53
Speaker 1: teacher says, thank you so much, We're really sorry about
30:57
Speaker 1: your firefighting partner. So we're led to believe that this
31:02
Speaker 1: traumatized man just told a group of about how his
31:08
Speaker 1: friend lit on fire. It's I think the most slept
31:12
Speaker 1: on joke of the Santa Claus. It's very funny and
31:15
Speaker 1: I'm shocked they didn't cut it. It's on par with
31:19
Speaker 1: one bank. That's all I have to say. Anything else, Grace,
31:26
Speaker 1: do you have any other I'm genuinely curious if you
31:33
Speaker 1: could pitch us what you would do for the Santa
31:36
Speaker 1: Claus for what would you do? Tim Allen is gay. Now, oh,
31:45
Speaker 1: he's not gonna like that, but but he's like, he's
31:52
Speaker 1: like by, he's like and he's by at the same time,
31:56
Speaker 1: and and you can do that through the magic of Christmas.
32:02
Speaker 1: So there's like Toy Santa, Toy Santa's gay and and
32:07
Speaker 1: Flesh Santa's by and there and they've worked, they've worked
32:15
Speaker 1: through their differences and it's like they're they're married, but
32:20
Speaker 1: Flesh Santa is still married to Mrs Claus the principle
32:27
Speaker 1: like it's kind it's kind of polly but it but
32:31
Speaker 1: it's illegal to be polyamorous in the North Pole. Well
32:36
Speaker 1: that's trouble. So they don't they can't be open about it.
32:41
Speaker 1: But but then Bernard finds out one day, and he
32:48
Speaker 1: finds out in a way where he like he would
32:50
Speaker 1: have kept it a secret. He would have kept it
32:52
Speaker 1: a secret. But but but he's caught in a lie
33:00
Speaker 1: from the Little Alves. I don't know what the lie is,
33:02
Speaker 1: but the lie, the lie forces him to reveal to
33:06
Speaker 1: the Alves and also Father Time, who's back but not
33:09
Speaker 1: played by Frank Lloyd r I p sadly impossible and
33:14
Speaker 1: and and then it turns out that there is a clause.
33:18
Speaker 1: That's the fourth clause, right, I mean, of course canically
33:22
Speaker 1: there has to be another clause, Yeah, and um, what
33:26
Speaker 1: is it? What is the class, Grace, and it's actually
33:30
Speaker 1: the what is the class? Don't funk this up, Grace,
33:40
Speaker 1: only get one. This is your eight miles. This is eight.
33:47
Speaker 1: This opportunity comes once in a lifetime. Are you quoting
33:52
Speaker 1: eminem It's it's it's it's called the Santa Claus four
34:07
Speaker 1: the Cummy Clause. You fucked it up, Grace, you sucked
34:17
Speaker 1: it up. Now you have to make that movie. I
34:22
Speaker 1: have a check for eleven million dollars. You have to
34:25
Speaker 1: go make the Cummy Clause. The film is about. The
34:30
Speaker 1: film is about Tim Allen and Toy Santa and Mrs
34:34
Speaker 1: Clause trying to prove that polyamory can work, and they don't.
34:47
Speaker 1: They don't at all, and so Toy Santa gets killed
34:54
Speaker 1: again and then they're coming back to it's kind of
34:59
Speaker 1: about how how we modify love society. Yeah, and how
35:07
Speaker 1: it's not just a toy, you know, metaphor you read
35:12
Speaker 1: it full circle? Yeah, yeah, I would see it. I
35:18
Speaker 1: would see it. And there's probably a joke in there
35:21
Speaker 1: that's like like Santa Claus being like, okay, I'm coming
35:24
Speaker 1: out of the closet is polyamorous. And then Bernard's like,
35:28
Speaker 1: must be a pretty big closet to have all your
35:31
Speaker 1: partners in there. Huh, And everyone goes very funny Bernard,
35:36
Speaker 1: and then he fringes me, is is it closet? Is
35:43
Speaker 1: a closet spelled like C L A U S C
35:50
Speaker 1: T C. You're way ahead of me because that was
35:58
Speaker 1: going to be one of the big reviewers. Oh, I'm
36:01
Speaker 1: a screenwriter. I have a master's degree. I see things coming.
36:06
Speaker 1: Bernard takes out and magnifying class and there's a tiny
36:08
Speaker 1: tea next to the clause. He's like, this was the
36:11
Speaker 1: real clause. Wow, I love it. Hey, everyone, I think
36:22
Speaker 1: we have a few minutes for a few questions or
36:26
Speaker 1: comments from the audience. We'll get there. We'll do this
36:32
Speaker 1: for it's quite all right. So yeah, I'm gonna so
36:36
Speaker 1: that you can talk on the micael I'll come up here. Hello.
36:40
Speaker 1: This may be a very obvious question, but who would
36:43
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina play? I said, yes that well, listen, I mean, clearly,
36:50
Speaker 1: there's a lot of roles for him to play. Do
36:52
Speaker 1: I think he could pull off Charlie? Yes. Imagine if
36:57
Speaker 1: you will Billina fullyon forties when this movie comes out
37:02
Speaker 1: as Tim Allen's son, it would be incredible for my purposes.
37:07
Speaker 1: It's got to be Bernard right, because Alpha Molina in
37:12
Speaker 1: a problematic dreads Wig. It's like it's it's like that.
37:17
Speaker 1: I think it's a very obvious pick. I don't think
37:19
Speaker 1: he would be I don't think he has Scott Calvin energy.
37:22
Speaker 1: What a lot of people don't know is that Alpha
37:24
Speaker 1: Billina is the one who fell off the roof. That
37:27
Speaker 1: is just all canomically true. He volunteered his body. He
37:31
Speaker 1: just loves Christmas. If he wasn't a minor role, I
37:35
Speaker 1: think he could have made that judge role really pop.
37:39
Speaker 1: Is pretty forgettable. But I was there to get Molina
37:43
Speaker 1: in there all of draw, I think, and I think
37:51
Speaker 1: the Alphred Millina really would have sold the line where
37:53
Speaker 1: he's like, it really pains me to do this around
37:56
Speaker 1: the holidays, And I think we would have gotten the
37:59
Speaker 1: suggestion of a here, but not an actual tier. He's
38:01
Speaker 1: a pro. His eyes would have been closed to the
38:04
Speaker 1: judges eyes are open, and he would have been doing
38:07
Speaker 1: a flawless Midwestern accent. It really pains me. It's a
38:13
Speaker 1: weirdly tight shot. We're like, oh, are we supposed to
38:17
Speaker 1: be focused on it? And then it sort of just
38:20
Speaker 1: takes off and then we kind of just forget that
38:22
Speaker 1: the Santa Claus happened and we just follow him through
38:24
Speaker 1: his life. The answer is Charlie, thank you, what's your name?
38:29
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Okay, here it come. Can we
38:36
Speaker 1: dissect the fat shaming scene with the business scene? Did
38:39
Speaker 1: they fire him for being too fat? Great question, Yes,
38:43
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing that up. Yes, so there is. Yeah,
38:46
Speaker 1: during the Santa Transformation sequence, there is like a fair
38:51
Speaker 1: amount of fat shaming jokes made at Scott's expense. But yeah,
38:57
Speaker 1: that's scene in particular, like where there's a scene where
39:00
Speaker 1: he shows up work. I think we're supposed to believe
39:04
Speaker 1: that he's gained forty five pounds overnight in the course
39:07
Speaker 1: of a week, I think the course of a wig.
39:09
Speaker 1: And then he has a number of desserts um and
39:14
Speaker 1: maybe they fired him for being too fat, or maybe
39:17
Speaker 1: they fired him because he was only supposed to spend
39:19
Speaker 1: thirty bucks one he went out of his perm, which
39:26
Speaker 1: is an unforgivable ridiculous I don't know. I was like,
39:31
Speaker 1: I feel like they gave kind of like a half ask.
39:33
Speaker 1: They feel like they tried to give a better explanation
39:36
Speaker 1: but kind of didn't. Where his boss like follows him
39:38
Speaker 1: out after lunch. There was a fat jaming element to it.
39:42
Speaker 1: But then he was also like, Scott, you're acting very
39:44
Speaker 1: bizarre and you're acting out of character. Maybe you should
39:48
Speaker 1: talk to someone. He says, like, you should talk to someone. Also,
39:51
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wasn't sure what to make of
39:52
Speaker 1: it either. His boss is played by Frank Lloyd, who
39:55
Speaker 1: also plays Father Time. I think the only act who
39:57
Speaker 1: plays two different characters universe. Great, I'm just trotting out
40:06
Speaker 1: my little I'm just showing off doing laps around us trivial,
40:14
Speaker 1: but I mean there is a fair amount of fat
40:15
Speaker 1: shaming in the movie. And then Jim Allen's character doesn't
40:18
Speaker 1: before he becomes Santa, and he's like fat shaming the
40:21
Speaker 1: Santa who he killed, and then he starts to become Santa,
40:25
Speaker 1: and then people are fat shaming him. Yeah, it seems
40:28
Speaker 1: like he might have gotten fired for like having gained
40:32
Speaker 1: weight or at least put on leave. Right, They're just like, hey,
40:36
Speaker 1: take a Yeah, I wasn't sure what. I feel like
40:39
Speaker 1: that was like a plot necessity from the writers to
40:41
Speaker 1: be like, we got a freedom up to be a Santa.
40:43
Speaker 1: He can't he can't be having obligations. It's also in
40:48
Speaker 1: the when he goes to the doctor to figure out
40:50
Speaker 1: what's wrong. Doctors like, I don't know what to say.
40:53
Speaker 1: You're you're so fit, you know, you're like your body's
40:55
Speaker 1: in perfect shape. You're just fat, and that's presented. It's
40:58
Speaker 1: like a magical right, It's impossible usually, but this fat
41:04
Speaker 1: man can run. That's Christmas magic for it, right. Yeah,
41:12
Speaker 1: And that's like unfortunately, that's like one of the more
41:14
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the scene that a lot of
41:16
Speaker 1: people remember. Is like that, like the transformation scenes. They
41:20
Speaker 1: definitely like stuck out to me when I was a
41:21
Speaker 1: kid too, um, and they're the messaging folks. It's bad.
41:26
Speaker 1: It's bad for sure. Yeah. A couple of others, Hi,
41:30
Speaker 1: what's your name? Hey, alex Um. I was just wondering,
41:34
Speaker 1: like the elves seem really chill about a new Santa,
41:37
Speaker 1: So how often does Santa die in this universe? Because
41:42
Speaker 1: they're like a new guy, come on in, we love you.
41:46
Speaker 1: I don't know, I will. I also took note of
41:50
Speaker 1: how they were like, yeah, it's you. I feel like
41:53
Speaker 1: what I would like to imagine is it's like when
41:57
Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein's statue was pulled down and everyone was like, yes,
42:02
Speaker 1: I'm like they just finished a celebration because the last
42:05
Speaker 1: Santa was such dogship it was horrible, and that they
42:09
Speaker 1: were just they're very concerned about protecting his life. Yeah,
42:13
Speaker 1: like the whole there's a whole sequence at the end
42:15
Speaker 1: of the film where it's like, you have a fire
42:17
Speaker 1: retardant suit now, which we didn't give the last Yeah,
42:23
Speaker 1: it seems like it's like they do. It's not that
42:26
Speaker 1: they don't care about any Santa, they just did not
42:28
Speaker 1: like the previous. And I mean it seems like Santa
42:32
Speaker 1: can die easily. Is that suggestion? I mean, you fall
42:36
Speaker 1: off the roof of a two story house into like
42:39
Speaker 1: snow beneath you, you don't die, you might break. And
42:42
Speaker 1: they didn't die because he waved bye by, which is
42:46
Speaker 1: not what dying people are known for doing. Helps don't
42:50
Speaker 1: know the extent of Santa's power, That's what I think.
42:53
Speaker 1: I think it's like if you were friends with Jesus,
42:56
Speaker 1: you'd be like, he's cool. You can do some cool shit.
42:59
Speaker 1: But I don't know if the Son of God. I
43:03
Speaker 1: think they think he's a cool praise if, but they don't.
43:05
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't know exactly what he's capable of. Interesting. Yeah,
43:09
Speaker 1: I mean I think that maybe that it was just
43:11
Speaker 1: the indication of the end of a cruel regime in
43:14
Speaker 1: the beginning of something beautiful. These are really Bush era films. Yeah,
43:20
Speaker 1: they really are. Other other questions, we're time for a
43:26
Speaker 1: few more here. Since his beard can grow back, do
43:30
Speaker 1: you think if he got liepo he would just immediately
43:33
Speaker 1: get fat again? I feel like we're led to believe
43:37
Speaker 1: that that's the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a part.
43:43
Speaker 1: I don't mean to dismiss the validity of the question. No,
43:46
Speaker 1: I think I think you're the expert. It's like, well,
43:50
Speaker 1: I mean, in this world, you are the pre eminent scholar.
43:55
Speaker 1: I've only seen three films. I just love your use
43:59
Speaker 1: of the words. Certainly well. Other other questions, Yes, my
44:07
Speaker 1: name is Joe, And um, do you think that Peter
44:09
Speaker 1: Boyle was actually intended to do a spinoff movie where
44:11
Speaker 1: he kills Father Time and actually takes the role in
44:15
Speaker 1: the second film? Oh wow, that's really great. I hadn't
44:19
Speaker 1: even thought it would explain why he plays character. And
44:26
Speaker 1: I God, some galaxy brain ship. Is it a good?
44:30
Speaker 1: Is it fun to be Father Time? I would think
44:33
Speaker 1: not I feel like it's punishing just the Yeah, I
44:36
Speaker 1: feel like it's punishing. Maybe he's in I would say
44:43
Speaker 1: this kind of goes back to the Grimm's fairy tale
44:46
Speaker 1: nature of these movies. Like when you're a kid, you're like, oh,
44:48
Speaker 1: obviously anyone would want to be Santa. You idiots like obviously,
44:54
Speaker 1: And then you're an adult and you're like, well, maybe
44:56
Speaker 1: maybe he Maybe he enjoyed his life as a the
45:00
Speaker 1: toy company, you know, like there's not there's no karaoke
45:03
Speaker 1: bars in the North Pole, you know, there's good things
45:07
Speaker 1: about happy Like what I want to be Santa? I
45:11
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I would love the optics, but
45:15
Speaker 1: I couldn't handle the responsibility. And that's I'm just being
45:18
Speaker 1: honest with myself. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean if the
45:21
Speaker 1: job offer ever comes along, you know, we'll circle up
45:24
Speaker 1: and we'll really consider it. We'll really think of I mean,
45:26
Speaker 1: female representation of Santa has been lacking, as you've talked about.
45:30
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you could, you could lose responsibility for feminism. Yes, exactly, final,
45:37
Speaker 1: do it? We're talking for one more? One more? Yeah,
45:46
Speaker 1: someone who oh, okay, you have long SOMs bribing about
45:53
Speaker 1: their arms Okay, all right, you said something. So here
46:00
Speaker 1: in the context of a new feminist text, Christmas icon
46:03
Speaker 1: is Last Christmas a rom com, a scrooge tail or,
46:08
Speaker 1: a jukebox musical. Oh no, I haven't seen it yet.
46:11
Speaker 1: I got good news for you. The fourth film i've
46:16
Speaker 1: seen this Last Christmas I forgot. I saw very recently.
46:21
Speaker 1: It's not a jukebox musical. It isn't because they hardly
46:25
Speaker 1: sing any of the songs. They sing like I think
46:28
Speaker 1: three and that doesn't cut it for me. You know,
46:31
Speaker 1: Last Christmas is a George Michael discography based Christmas movie
46:37
Speaker 1: about who's seen it? Clap your hands. Oh my gosh,
46:42
Speaker 1: it's just it's just her, three people. It's so tough
46:50
Speaker 1: to define it. I think it's a rom com that misfires,
46:54
Speaker 1: and I think that it could have been so weirder
46:58
Speaker 1: than it actually turned out to be. And there's no
47:01
Speaker 1: there's not enough smooching, and that's critical. And also this
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Speaker 1: isn't a big spoiler. It ends in the spring. The
47:11
Speaker 1: last scene is Amelia Clark's character just sitting in a
47:15
Speaker 1: park in the spring, smiling. And that's not how I
47:18
Speaker 1: want my Christmas movies. They should all they should all
47:22
Speaker 1: end with Tim Allen taking off into the head, regardless
47:26
Speaker 1: of whether he was in it or not. A great
47:28
Speaker 1: ending if you just pick Pickture up. And I was like, hey, sorry, God,
47:32
Speaker 1: we can't really talk about this movie. You can't see that.
47:36
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, sorry, all that bad stuff happened
47:38
Speaker 1: to you and that you that you're a failing actress
47:41
Speaker 1: and everything. Um, but now you can be my wife.
47:48
Speaker 1: I'm excited to everyone's plan is to be Tim allen
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Speaker 1: Santa wife. Well, maybe those wives will talk to each other,
47:58
Speaker 1: which brings us to the actual tests. I mean, I mean,
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Speaker 1: does anyone conceivably No, not even close. I think the
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Speaker 1: only scene where women interact is the scene in Charlie's
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Speaker 1: school for the Principle and Laura are there, but we
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Speaker 1: don't know her name and they only talk about Charlie
48:19
Speaker 1: and Santa. Yes, so not even close. Nope, not even close. Well,
48:26
Speaker 1: it's a and yet it's a feminist text, you know,
48:30
Speaker 1: as we say, it's a flawed metric. It's not endorsing
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Speaker 1: that it's presenting. Alright, it's not the holiday nipple scale,
48:42
Speaker 1: the holiday nipples. It's red and green and it's five
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Speaker 1: nipples based on its representation of women. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: not high. It's like, I guess, like a half nipple,
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Speaker 1: because it doesn't the movie doesn't like outwardly hate women,
49:03
Speaker 1: but it also just doesn't really care about including them
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Speaker 1: or giving us any information about the women. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's just not what's still thinking about how Grace is
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Speaker 1: definitely gonna say five. I'm just like preparing myself for it. Um, well,
49:25
Speaker 1: hopefully this mind brings the average down. Yeah, like a
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Speaker 1: half nipple. It just sucks that there aren't any like
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Speaker 1: family Christmas Eve movie. Where are all the movies about
49:38
Speaker 1: non Christian holidays? Where's the Winter Solstice movies? What I'm saying,
49:43
Speaker 1: I guess there actually is one, but I've never seen it.
49:46
Speaker 1: Well that you're a part of the problem. The problem.
49:49
Speaker 1: It's like we're forgetting eight Crazy night Things, which what
49:53
Speaker 1: a nightmare of the movie. It is real problematic. I've
49:58
Speaker 1: never seen it. Upsetting, but okay, we should cover it
50:03
Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah, it's just like it's like, why
50:06
Speaker 1: don't little girls ever get to be the protagonists of
50:11
Speaker 1: these movies? Anyway? So half nipple and uh, I guess
50:15
Speaker 1: I'll give it to commit the Reindeer. I don't know
50:19
Speaker 1: how many nipples a reindeer has, but I'm gonna guess four,
50:25
Speaker 1: and then you'll leave it at that. Don't fact check me.
50:29
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a generous one and a half
50:34
Speaker 1: because I well, I agree that Laura is not a
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Speaker 1: character we would refer to as written she her character
50:46
Speaker 1: does avoid the fate of many characters in this genre
50:50
Speaker 1: in her position where she isn't made out to be
50:52
Speaker 1: a shrew, she isn't made out to be a bad person.
50:55
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's she's a good person. We understand
50:58
Speaker 1: where she's coming from, maybe more than in any other
51:00
Speaker 1: parent in the movie. I appreciate that. I also appreciate
51:04
Speaker 1: pro divorce. Most people should get divorced, like it's a
51:09
Speaker 1: smart move for most And you know, just like seeing
51:14
Speaker 1: seeing a functional I mean, like Gracie, you're saying, maybe
51:17
Speaker 1: a little unrealistic to be like and then the divorce happens,
51:19
Speaker 1: and then you got two giant houses in Chicago, baby.
51:22
Speaker 1: But but it was nice to see a divorce family
51:26
Speaker 1: um and have it be like normalized, right, And you know,
51:29
Speaker 1: Tim Allen shouldn't have flirted with the kid. We all agree,
51:34
Speaker 1: but on the grounds of I like Laura's character. I
51:38
Speaker 1: don't know what happens to her in the other two movies,
51:41
Speaker 1: but I appreciated her and I was in her corner
51:43
Speaker 1: for the whole movie. So I'll do one and a
51:46
Speaker 1: half nipples and they're going up Bernard, who way, can
51:52
Speaker 1: I give you an update? Female deer have four teeths
51:56
Speaker 1: So was I right? Thank you, very good, Grace. I'm
52:03
Speaker 1: not going to give it five nipples. I'm not, but
52:12
Speaker 1: I am going to give it two nipples. And the
52:15
Speaker 1: reason is simply, that's the amount of nipples. Scott Calvin
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Speaker 1: hats fevinist hero and I will play placing those nipples
52:26
Speaker 1: firmly on Scott Calvin's chests. You screw them in yourself,
52:33
Speaker 1: those fireproof nipples, and well that's that's the word on
52:41
Speaker 1: the Santa Cla. People have been begging, now they haven't.
52:46
Speaker 1: This is an episode literally no one asked for Grace
52:51
Speaker 1: asked for it. First time it's been requestioned. Well, Grace,
52:57
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for Grace. And Grace is a
53:06
Speaker 1: Denver based comedian, so go see her everywhere. She performs
53:10
Speaker 1: all the time. Can I plug my pig? Yes? Yes?
53:13
Speaker 1: Where can we find online? Um? What if I told
53:18
Speaker 1: you that that me, Grace Thomas, Denver base comedian, has
53:22
Speaker 1: a new show one If I told you it's a
53:25
Speaker 1: sci fi comedy show with almost no stand up and
53:28
Speaker 1: it's a hard sci fi show with a sex robot
53:32
Speaker 1: and a super galactic pop star which is me and
53:36
Speaker 1: um a bunch of other cool space stuff and the
53:38
Speaker 1: name of the show is Wet Galaxy, and which is
53:42
Speaker 1: the best name, and it's the first. One is going
53:46
Speaker 1: to be on Saturday, January eleven at nine pm at
53:51
Speaker 1: Nude City Relief Center, which is the d I Y Space.
53:54
Speaker 1: And you have to email me to get the address,
53:57
Speaker 1: but it is going to be very successful, so so
54:02
Speaker 1: I would get in on it. Now, where can people
54:07
Speaker 1: contact you an email you to find out the address?
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Speaker 1: So you can DM me on Twitter at Grace g
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Speaker 1: Thomas or you can send me an email to Grace
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Speaker 1: Gloria Thomas at gmail dot com. And my email is
54:19
Speaker 1: also on my Twitter account. And my Twitter account is
54:22
Speaker 1: not good, so that's I have bipolar distorder. So sometimes
54:29
Speaker 1: you're just going to get anger. But listen, they already
54:33
Speaker 1: follow me, so I'm not good. It's good. Yeah, come
54:37
Speaker 1: to w Alexi please January eleven. Is everyone going to
54:40
Speaker 1: be there, Please clap if you'll do that, she Jeff
54:44
Speaker 1: bushed herself. That's a promise. That's a promise. Like those
54:51
Speaker 1: two didn't clap, so they didn't make a promise. Everyone
54:54
Speaker 1: who made a promise, Grace Thomas class oh man, Well
55:04
Speaker 1: that's our show. Thank you for coming. All right, that
55:13
Speaker 1: concludes our two part episode on the Santa Clause. We
55:18
Speaker 1: have a lot of people we want to thank, starting
55:21
Speaker 1: with our guest Grace Thomas. Thank you again so much
55:25
Speaker 1: to her for being on the show. She was so so,
55:28
Speaker 1: so so funny. I've truly never laughed harder at a
55:31
Speaker 1: live show. So thanks again to Grace. Please follow her
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Speaker 1: on social media and check out her upcoming show in Denver. Also,
55:40
Speaker 1: thank you to Buntport Theater, Thanks to Sam for having
55:43
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55:47
Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone who came out, everyone who asked questions,
55:50
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55:54
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55:56
Speaker 1: a joy to do that, so thanks for coming out.
56:00
Speaker 1: Amie and I also did a couple of stand up
56:01
Speaker 1: shows when we were in Denver at bar Max, So
56:05
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56:07
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56:11
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56:31
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56:34
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56:37
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56:40
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56:46
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