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Episode 27: The Men Showed Up — the Mascots Sure Didn’t · Spiders Sound Off

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Spider.
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Sound off. This is Tom.
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And this is Porter. We are back in Henrico Studios
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on a sad Sunday afternoon as we just came back from the Robin
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Center and watching the women's team take a beating from
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Fairfield. Yeah, it's first time we've ever
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done the pod on game day where we're we're doing it after a
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loss. Yeah, it's.
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A different. Feeling this is a different
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feeling 'cause we're fans at the end of the day, we love the
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program, we're trying to help the program, but we also are
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fans and so just like you guys, I, I definitely don't ever get
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on the message board after a loss.
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I let it go for 24 hours, but we're going to pod today and I
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think we're going to do our best to to, to not be down so.
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Hey, well, take a a good thing from it.
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I grew up in Connecticut, so go Fairfield.
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Yeah, Connecticut. No, no, I mean.
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All credit to Fairfield. I mean, they play.
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I like the town of Fairfield. I have friends who live there,
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so Fairfield. 'S a nice town.
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They played a heck of a game. They lost on Friday night to
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Howard and I and I was worried because after that loss, they
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actually had to get this win in order to keep their post season
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at large aspirations alive. And they're a very good team.
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And you know, a very good team comes in with a little extra
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motivation and A and a spring in their step.
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And you have to play your very best game to beat them.
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And I mean, we didn't play our best game today.
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Fairfield played a heck of a game.
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Unconscious. Unconscious from three-point
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land. Yeah, that's right.
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We couldn't. Coach tried a couple different
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defenses, none of them. I think we're as successful as
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he was hoping. He was a very happy guy in the
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sideline. We just really couldn't guard
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the three. Well, it wasn't it wasn't that
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all of their shots were like right in our face with a like
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they were doing things that we were just a step slow every now
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and then. And because they were getting
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open from three, I mean they hit some contested ones too, which
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is always a Backbreaker, but in the they were hitting a lot of
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open threes and we missed our equivalent that they made.
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In the post game presser, coach said, I think he said we were
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-30 from beyond the arc, meaning they have scored us by 30 points
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behind the three-point arc. We talked about a number of
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different things. My my question to him and to to
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Ali and Rachel, who also did a a post game presser was simply
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like how do you move quickly to get past a game like this so
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that you can get prepared. So we have a tough schedule
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coming up. We got Bethune coming up.
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We got the tournament in Henrico.
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We've got a week off. Yeah, we do have some time off,
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but like you got to, you got to put this game.
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That's good and bad, having the time off.
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It is it. Is not a game on Wednesday that
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they can recover and kind of really forget about this one.
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Yeah, you. Got to put the game behind you
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and you got to move forward. This was, you know, every now
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and again, it's these, these are college kids playing basketball.
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And, you know, you get a group of college kids that really are,
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you know, on top of, you know, the the mountain for a second
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coming in and playing their best game.
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And you know, this happens. It's not, it's not a fatal
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result by any means. It's, you know, tough loss for
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us, but we've had tough losses in the past and responded
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really, really well. Coach, to his credit, said
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there's a lot still to to look at and review and work on.
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He's like, we got to go back and look at the tape.
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We got to play better. We got to coach better.
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We got to figure some things out.
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So I'm not ready to put this one behind me yet.
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But he said, you know, I know what you're trying to say, which
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is like, we got to, we still got a lot of basketball ahead of us
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and we got to, we got to be ready for.
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It, well it reminds me too, when we talked to Ally, was it 2
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weeks ago, she mentioned how it was a game that they won, but
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mentioned how they're coming out slow and they've got to figure
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out how to come out stronger and not just cause they've been a
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great second-half team and not a not a great first half team and
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right. So you, you play a team that's
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super hot from three, you are slow coming out of the gate.
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That combination just had us behind by a lot early and we in
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in the second quarter was no better and the.
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Third quarter was a. Little better, but.
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Let me give you these, let me give you these 3 point lines.
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First quarter Fairfield 6 of 785 percent, 86%, sorry.
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Second quarter 7 of 11, which is 63% for the quarter.
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Third quarter five of seven, that's 71%.
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So through 3/4, they are 18 out of 25 from 3 point land.
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That's hard to beat on any given night, right?
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And so they just were super hot and they just, they crushed the
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shots. And, you know, I mean, we, we
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weren't playing our best game. We were a step slow early.
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And by the time we could hit the ship, it was the margin had
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grown to be, you know, a margin that was going to be hard to
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overcome. Yeah, and credit to their coach
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too. I, I remember the beginning of
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the 4th, like the game is pretty much over when we got to the
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4th, but maybe there's a miracle come back and we're out guarding
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their threes. And I think 2 plays in a row
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they had like a cut inside for a layup.
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And so, you know, they were able to, you know, change it just a
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little bit to catch us off guard.
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And like any hopes of a comeback was gone because I think they
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scored the first five points of the fourth quarter and you're
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like, OK, well, there's not going to be a a miracle comeback
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now. Right.
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Yeah. I mean it was they're very well
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coached. We talked about that when we did
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our scout. They're they've been a very
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successful program. They were they had slipped back
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to, I think 48 in the net based on the loss to Howard.
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But you know, you got a top 50 team coming to the Robin Center.
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You got to play your very best game to win that game.
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And we just didn't have our best game.
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There's no excuses. The coach wasn't given any
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excuses. He wasn't, you know, taking it
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like harder than than you would expect.
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You just basically said, we got we got work to do.
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We got to get ready for the go forward plan, which is to to get
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ready for the next game and, you know, figure out what we could
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do better. But like, yeah, he was he made,
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he gave it. He gave me a good sense of
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confidence that we were we're going to write the ship.
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OK, well let's kind of try to forget that ourselves and give a
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little have a little excitement for the rest of the.
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Time can I tell you one little funny quip I give coach.
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So I I got the chance after the presser to pull them aside and
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just say, hey, you know, one idea for getting past this
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quickly might be just to say, you know, we're going to we're
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going to burn the Grays, which is the uniforms that the coaches
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were wearing. They were brought the Gray
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sweats out today. I love the Grays.
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I got to be honest with you. I love the red sweats, the white
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sweats and the Blues, but I didn't I didn't love the colour
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and I said it before the game. I'm like, I can't say I love
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that colour on us, but I don't know if they will or not, But I
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mean, hopefully, you know, whatever color we choose for the
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next game, we come out and give them our best shot. 01 other
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note too. I mean, I and this is kind of
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like where the where I think one of the reasons Tom and I love
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doing this podcast is because we have such a special ladies team
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and they're so good. We want to see them do as well
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as possible at the end of that game in the stands.
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I'm walking out after the press conference.
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So now we're 30 minutes past the end of the game and there's
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Maggie Dugan talking to little kids in the in the stands as an
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ambassador of the game, helping to build the game for the next
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generation. And it just reminds me of like,
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why I'm so invested in this lady's team.
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I mean, they, they work hard on the court.
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They also work harder off the court to build their brand.
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And they're just good people. So they'll get it fixed.
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We get what the best major coaching staff in America.
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We'll, we'll, we'll write this ship.
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It's just a bad loss just because it was painful.
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But you know, this is a good team that we played and they
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they got her number today. In the round, yeah, there's a
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lot of season to go. Reminds me, I mean, a totally
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different game. Obviously we lost in the last
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second shot last year, but we had that loss to Georgetown.
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They weren't a strong rated team and and we came back from that
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and had a great season and a. Large historical season.
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We very still much, very much still in in in in the hunting,
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in the hunt for an at large bid on the ladies side.
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I think, you know, we got to we got to play better than we
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played tonight, no question. But I'm not, I'm not reading too
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much into it that it's, you know, it's, it's not fatalistic
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or anything. OK, let's let's jump to the
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men's game 'cause they had a, a, a nice win, a tough, tough,
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maybe tighter than expected, but a, a good win on Saturday.
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Porter, give you credit, when we last did our pod and we were
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talking about some of these tribute bands that we're
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playing, he said, hey, maybe we'll have a wonderwalls and
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walls really came out and he had a great game.
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Best game of the. Year yeah, I mean he played
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really, really well. I mean his rebounding efficiency
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has been off the chart. He's I think he's like I, I
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looked it up this morning, he is top, I want to say 40 in both
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defensive and and offensive rebounding efficiency in the
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country. So he's playing a really, really
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good he's he's just, he's just cleaning up the boards really
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well. So I give Mike credit for that.
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His offensive game showed up at the get 16 points in that game.
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Really, really solid effort all around from the from everybody
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in the paint. We dominated that game in the
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paint. Yeah, it's interesting.
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Another game we out rebounded the opponent.
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That's becoming a consistent thing with this team, which is
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not what we're used to right now.
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Again, we're not in A10 play yet, so we'll see how that
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changed so. So to so to clarify that wall
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stat for a second, walls was 44th in the nation and offensive
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rebound percentage according to Ken Palm and 30th in the nation
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defensive rebounding percentage. That's just really solid work on
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the boards for him. So credit to him for that, he's
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doing a great job. And No 3 point attempts.
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So let's it's yeah, that was all inside from walls.
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So 16 points, No 3 pointers, no 75 foot shots either.
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I guess he he's not planning to bring that out every game, but a
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great game from walls. Daughtry had a great game too.
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So inside was really a big part of.
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Yeah, I think, I think we scored 50 points in the paint, yeah, in
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that game. But Daughtry, his plus minus for
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the game was plus 21. So talk about being effective
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when you're on the court. Plus 21.
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I got a chance to do that post game presser as well with Coach
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Mooney. And first thing I said to him
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was Coach I, I actually really love your jacket.
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I love that red jacket with that kind of blue shirt.
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Nice look. He's definitely going the
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Versace route. And also he's winning.
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So you give him credit, right? He's dressing, dressing for
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success and he's winning, which, you know, what do you want to
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say? Like the guy is the guy's got it
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figured out right now. So I actually asked him a
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question like how encouraged are you that you won this game in a
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different way? We didn't shoot the three well
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at all in that game, and our free throws in the first half
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were atrocious. But we went out and we beat them
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and we beat them because we dominated them in the paint.
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So now we've seen us win because we can shoot the three ball.
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We've seen us. We, you know, we're good from
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the foul line. We've been really good all year
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from the foul line. But both of those things were
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missing in action and we still win the game, which is just
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really encouraging for me. Yeah, hats off to Ruma Glue, who
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played a really good first half. I mean, he was, he had really
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good energy on the floor, defensive energy specifically.
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I thought his first half was really.
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Good. He's always good in rebounding.
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It's like when when he first came in before we, you know, saw
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him at all. There is the hey, he's going to
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be this massive 3 point threat and that hasn't turned out to be
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true, But he's he's he's our best rebounder when it comes to,
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you know, be in that power forward who you can count on
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getting 7-8 rebounds a game. He's been great.
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Mooney brought up a good point too in the post game.
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He said, you know, rumor glues because he's bigger, he can
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rebound well, but he also is faster than a lot of our big.
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So he can cover that mid range guy who has the cutting move to
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the basket. So he gives you 2 dimensions on
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defense, which is a which is a nice thing.
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So rumor glue, we'll give you, we'll give you credit.
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That was a great game you played.
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Talk about Aiden Argebride for a second.
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Yeah, I finally got a chance to ask my question.
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He was the guy who did the post game press.
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Yeah, you say you you always are giving him credit for how easily
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he seems to get fouled. I just like the kid has an an
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uncanny ability to draw fouls. And I he had 13 attempts from
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the foul line. In the game, it's, it's two
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things. One, he's so fast.
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He's just so fast with the ball. So you, you know, you to stay
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with him, you have to really, you know, try all the tricks
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because he's just that fast. But you know, if you make
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contact, he's got great body animation is what I'll say where
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it like he lets the ref know that the contact occurred.
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And I don't know where he got that skill from.
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He's he said in the post game that something he was just born
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with, but he's he was born. He's born with the the ability
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to let people know when contact has.
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Occurred. I'm picturing him being like a
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baby in his crib and like a ref in a in a corner blowing the
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whistle being like foul foul. Mom is rocking the crib and he's
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like he's over exaggerating the movement.
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I like it. I like it.
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I don't know what he's doing, but it is it's it's impressive.
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And and like the thing about Argebrite, keep in mind he's got
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33 good point guards or guys who can play the one ahead of him on
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the roster. He's forced his way into
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meaningful minutes and meaningful contributions by how
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good he is. So I mean, he's just a special
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player. And I mean, if you know, if
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Argebrite builds his career at Richmond over the next four
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years, he'll go down in in in Richmond history.
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I can almost guarantee you that. OK.
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Can we talk about something bad that happened Saturday?
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Sure. OK.
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I'm going to bring back a segment from, I don't know, a
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month ago. What's wrong with you people?
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What's wrong with you people? Turn it brown upside down.
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Don't be a moron. What's wrong with you people?
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What's wrong? With you people at half time
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there was an the advertised mascot game.
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Now I know we've joked about the A10 having their teams have
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like, you know, the first team and second team have six
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players. Well, this was a a game, a full
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court game that was 3 on 2 of mascots.
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OK, so one, I mean, I'm sure that wasn't the plan.
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So when it was, you know, or you know, at some point you create
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your promotions. We had the mascot game before,
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which I've typically enjoyed because you you get to see like
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the giant pizza slice throw a pass off the head of, you know,
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Webster. Well anyway, so three on two
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mascot game. So first of all, like at some
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point you got to improvise and maybe it should have been 5
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mascots on like 5 students like this.
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There was a way to like come up with something better or three
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or make it a three-point contest or do something when you only
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have 5 Second. What's wrong with all the other
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mascots in this town that didn't participate?
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And don't tell me there was like the Christmas parade or some
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other excuse like there was. It was long since over before
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the game. There was no Nutsy, there was no
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kickeroo, and kickeroo is usually with like the MVP of
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this game really, because he's like basically he doesn't have
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like the giant head where the eyes are like 3 feet below it.
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Like there's usually like a pizza slice.
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There was no pizza slice. I think that's like the Papa
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John's mascot. Like where I mean, I, I have a
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friend from high school was a mascot at their college.
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So I know there's like an athletic part to being a mascot
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and really being good at it when you're at the stadium.
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But all we needed was 5 people, man.
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All we needed was 5 people, Any five people in costumes like you
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could, you could get any sort of mascot technically.
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You need sex to be 3 on three so.
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Well, I'm saying just, yeah, that's right.
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So I'm sorry like that, that no one goes to the good thing is no
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one goes to the men's or women's expecting like, you know, an NBA
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halftime show. Every now and then we get really
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lucky. We saw the girl flipping balls
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on her head a few years ago from a tricycle, which was like, you
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know, she's after coming to Richmond.
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She she became like a a superstar in that sort of world.
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The ball flipping in the ball flipping Tricycle round.
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Well, she was on the Americas Got Talent at some point, I
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think. But anyway, like what's wrong
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with you people? We we do not need three on two
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mascot games at halftime. Two ideas for you #1 next year
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we got, I mean, D Hall came to the game with me.
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So because you you were missing an action with the band practice
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but but D Hall could be the spider sound off mascot.
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We just have to find a good costume for him.
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Yeah, if we we'd love ideas of what the spider sound off mascot
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should look like. Let me tell you something.
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Folks, we can design one. D Hall is money from three.
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That's all I'll say. He will hit the three ball so.
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There you go. Well, anyway, so great result on
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Saturday as long as you didn't watch halftime.
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Yeah, I mean, look, we beat him by 9:00, but they got a player,
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a key player back that they had been missing who had a had a big
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game against us. So they're I think 2:15 when I
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last checked in Ken Palm, they will move up with that player
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back. They're a better team than 215
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in the country. I saw a good ODU team play that
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game. We always get it seems like
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these in state rivals best effort, but that was a good ODU
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team. We moved up to 85 in the net.
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I guess we were 77. We'll move back a little bit
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with the ODU one, but we're still 85 of the net, which is
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kind of where you want to be right now. 8 and one, the crowd
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itself. Let's talk about the crowd in
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general. It was a good crowd for 12:30 on
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Saturday. I think 4600 was announced.
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Attendance. A lot of people in the stands
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supporting the Spiders, so that was good.
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Or they were there for the mascot.
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Or they were there for the mascot game, right?
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What what was missing in action was the student section, and
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this has been a recurring thing. We have a student count for you.
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I know it's exam week. It's a 12:30 Saturday game.
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I don't think people are doing 1230 exams on Saturday.
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You need a break, you know, come out and support your team.
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There were 40-5 people in the student section this week, 23 of
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which were the women's field hockey team, which were being
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honored at the 8 minute mark in the first half for their
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successful season. So after they got their award,
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they left. So we were down to 22 students
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for the rest of the game. Credit those 22 who showed up.
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We love the fact that you're there supporting the team.
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We want students to feel as passionate about the team as we
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do. There's a different energy when
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the students are in the building.
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We need you there. So if you guys, if we have any
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student listeners, you know, you know, try to try to bring your
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friends out to the game, Let's start to build the ecosystem
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around both of these teams. Honestly, the men's and the
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women's, they're both special teams.
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They deserve our support. I know I need to stop bringing
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this up, but I can almost guarantee five of those 22
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students would have raised their hand to put on a costume to play
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at halftime. I think you're right.
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I actually think that you're right.
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We could have even gotten the four students in in one mascot.
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Or five mascots versus like 5 Santa Clauses.
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That would have been great, actually.
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Santa Claus was at the latest game today.
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Stone candy to the kids, that was.
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Great. Not just candy, there was like
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souvenir and stuff. That was a yeah.
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So again, we students, if you get a chance, come out and
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support these teams. They deserve it.
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Can I give you one thing that I've been thinking about too,
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about Coach Mooney for a SEC? Sure.
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So Coach Mooney has been a Richmond coach for 21 years, I
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think. This is his 21st season, yeah.
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He's 22 seasons total coaching one at Air Force, the rest here.
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I went back and I looked at his his Ken Palm coaching page and
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for 21 years in a row he has been and he de emphasizes this.
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So there's a reason for it. Probably one of the bottom
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quartile offensive rebounding teams in the nation by design
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because he, you know, the team would, you know, if they missed
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a shot would retreat on defense to set up there's their
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specialized, you know, kind of zone defense or switching
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defense. So it's an intentional thing
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that he de emphasized last year. We know we had the bad season,
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right this year. He's got a different team.
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He's completely changed his coaching style after 21 years to
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to go after something different, which I think is a really
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impressive thing we need to talk about because we're now in the
19:11
top half in the nation and offensive rebounding.
19:14
We go for those boards. We have a lot of size, a lot of
19:17
physicality inside and it's making a difference.
19:20
It really is. It's harder to prepare for
19:21
Richmond because Coach Mooney has shifted and changed with the
19:25
talent that he has. So I give him credit for this.
19:28
You told me he said something in, I think it was the press
19:30
conference on Saturday, the post game conference where was
19:33
talking about Daughtry and he was saying how both Daughtry is
19:37
still learning to fit into the Richmond system and, and the
19:40
system or coach is learning how to fit in Daughtry.
19:44
So it was the admission that like they're still figuring out
19:47
because he's, he's such an impactful player in like the
19:50
17/18/19 minutes he's playing. And you could tell the, the and
19:54
that's great to hear. Like they're still working on
19:56
it. Like his, you know, you're 8:00
19:57
and 1:00, but you know, in a sense, like there's a lot more
20:01
we can get from our inside game as our offense continues to
20:04
evolve with these new players. Yeah, that came from a couple a
20:07
couple of games back. But you're right, that's exactly
20:10
what he said. And so it's like, you know,
20:11
we're trying to figure out how to harness his skill and his
20:13
special superpower, but at the same time, we're trying to help
20:17
to get him to play within the system the way that it will
20:19
maximize the system, which is why I feel like this team still
20:23
has another step to take. I mean, the men's team, I think
20:25
is is really encouraging in terms of what it's doing.
20:29
And I mean, given the preseason prognosticators who said we were
20:33
the 11th best team in the Atlantic 10, given the lack of
20:37
any sort of love of from any of the statistical services, you
20:42
know, you just see what's happening over there and they're
20:43
doing a great thing. And it's like, you know, number
20:46
one in the nation in bench, bench, bench minutes played.
20:49
I mean, coach said early on, I'm going to play a lot of guys and
20:52
play them a lot. And he's held true to that now
20:54
through nine games. And so, like, I mean, it's very
20:58
difficult to scout for Richmond, but you know, two games ago,
21:02
David Thomas and Will Johnson and Arguerbrecht go off.
21:04
This last game, Jayden Daltrey, Mike Walls and Arguerbrecht go
21:07
off. I mean, we are very difficult to
21:10
prepare for because you don't know who's going to be ready to
21:12
go at any given point in time. OK.
21:14
Well, I thought I'd bring in a new segment and maybe we'll do
21:19
this once and I'm going to put Porter on the spot here.
21:20
Can I give you? Before you do that.
21:22
What? You're always like stopping me?
21:23
I know. But transition?
21:24
I don't want to transition yet because I got some advanced
21:26
stats I want to go through. Well then, why?
21:28
Are you not talking? I'm sorry, I'm trying to talk.
21:31
I'm, I'm still, I'm still ruffled from my feathers are
21:34
ruffled after the loss to Fairfield.
21:36
OK, what's this advanced stat you want to give us?
21:38
Is it about height? Again, so you know, we're we're
21:40
going to, we're not going to do the the advanced stats on
21:43
height. We're going to go to Evan Mayer
21:45
for a second. Who is that?
21:47
Evan Mayer is one of the one of the statistical people who
21:51
really track college basketball and they're he's pretty well
21:53
known. It's it's they do it.
21:55
He does a lot of really cool work and I wanted to share with
21:58
you a couple things. Number 1, he does a top lineup
22:01
in terms of efficiency and I think some of the names on this
22:04
lineup might surprise you and he does a 2A3A4 and A5 man lineup
22:08
for the men's team. And then you know, I'll give you
22:10
the plus minus. Who do you, I know you're
22:12
looking at my screen right now, but the top three plus minus
22:16
players on the Spiders this year, meaning plus minus for you
22:18
guys who don't know is score differential when a guy's in the
22:22
game. So if you come in at 00 and you
22:24
leave the game and it's 10, nothing, your plus 10.
22:26
So that's how plus minus work. So who are our top three plus
22:29
minus guys on the season? It is Roma Glue, Beagle and
22:37
Argebrite. It is Jaden Daughtry.
22:40
He's plus 100 on the season. That's insane by the way,
22:43
because he hasn't played that many minutes plus 100.
22:46
Harger Bright's number two, you got that 1 + 99 and David Thomas
22:50
is #3 at plus 78. So that's the season long plus
22:53
minus leaders. Our our best two man combination
22:57
lineup so far this year has been this is again using offensive
23:01
and defensive efficiency according to Evan Maya.
23:04
So efficiency feeds the net. These are our top line UPS.
23:08
Two men has been Beagle and Daughtry.
23:10
When they're together, that's been the top.
23:12
Two men. So this is like when they're on
23:13
the. When they're on the court
23:14
together. Got it.
23:16
The top three man lineup Arga bright Beagle Daughtry top four
23:20
man line about lineup Arga bright Beagle, Ruma glue and
23:23
Thomas interesting and the top five man lineup Arga bright
23:28
Beagle, Daughtry, Ruma glue and Thomas So interesting just
23:32
numbers and and advanced stats from Evan Maya on, you know,
23:35
efficiency plus minus by the way, I'll I'll.
23:39
That is five players off the bench.
23:45
Yeah, you're right, You're right.
23:46
And that's, I mean, we've seen the bench out scoring our
23:48
starters and and that doesn't it's a little bit the starting
23:51
lineup doesn't mean that much. I hadn't thought about.
23:53
That, but yeah, that's. Pretty impressive.
23:55
That's our five guys off the bench.
23:57
And Mooney made a comment at the end of the presser, he said.
23:59
Like we're we're trying to tell the guys that this this heavy
24:02
shift strategy works best the last five minutes of the game
24:06
when we have fresh legs and everybody else has been been
24:09
running hard. So that's an interesting thing.
24:11
Last note for you before you get into whatever your segment
24:14
you're about to launch on me, which I have no idea what you're
24:16
going to say next. So the Daughtry and Argebrite
24:20
plus 100 + 99 are also top ten in the A10 and plus minus.
24:24
So that's another little advanced step for you.
24:26
So kind of a fun fun with data there for you.
24:28
Yeah, I'm always curious with plus minus because I, I, you
24:32
know, if you're, I mean, we looked at the women's plus minus
24:34
obviously like we lost by a bunch today.
24:36
So guess what, all of our starters had really large minus
24:39
numbers next to them. Now that's gets offset obviously
24:42
with all their plus numbers from prior games.
24:44
But it is a when you've got players playing 20 minutes and
24:49
you're winning, are you more likely going to have kind of a
24:52
lot of pluses across the board and spread out versus when
24:56
you've got, you know, four guys that are playing 30?
24:59
I know it's the same amount of time in total for the team but
25:02
I'm just curious of like how does that when you've got
25:05
fresher legs does it give you? A little.
25:06
It's certainly situational. Like if you play a guy you know
25:10
who comes in at the end of the game when you're up 20 points
25:12
and you know, we expand the margin, he's going to have a
25:15
nice plus minus. But over time, if you take it in
25:18
the aggregate, it shows effectiveness over time.
25:20
So that's why I wanted to share you the on the season versus an
25:23
individual game. Yeah, Daughtry went plus 21 in
25:25
this last game, but he's plus 100 for the season, so the team
25:28
is winning when Daughtry is on the floor over and over again.
25:32
Yeah, The thing that's also interesting to remember is that
25:35
I was trying to think of like, what are some things we can talk
25:37
about? Oh, we're not even a third
25:38
through the season yet. Like I realize like it's not
25:41
like we still got a couple games to get to where where we could
25:44
say, hey, we're 1/3 through the season.
25:45
So it's still really early. I mean, we, we love how the
25:48
men's team is playing and in general we love how the women's
25:50
team is playing as well outside of this bad loss today.
25:53
But it's still super early. And we, I think we hope in
25:57
whatever 10 games from now, we're still of the same opinion
26:00
that both teams are playing great.
26:02
And we've got kind of big aspirations of whether it's at
26:06
large or, you know, you know, winning the tournament.
26:09
But there's so much time to go. It's it's, it's promising, but I
26:12
don't think either of us are, you know, betting all of our
26:15
savings on what either team is doing because it's just early.
26:19
It is early. I mean, both teams, again, seven
26:21
and three for the women, 8 and one for the men are playing
26:24
well. And that's that's really
26:26
encouraging as a Spider basketball fan, right?
26:28
That's why we need to support them.
26:29
That's why we need to come out. They're playing well.
26:31
OK, so this is my new segment. I'm putting Porter on the spot.
26:35
It's a I'm going to give you some a statement and you have to
26:38
say whether it's an overreaction or it's real with a little
26:42
commentary as to why. OK, OK.
26:45
The first one. And these are both men and are
26:47
we? Going to be able to edit this
26:48
out if I don't like it. Yeah, sure.
26:50
OK. The Belmont win prove the men
26:52
are a legitimate A10 title contender.
26:56
Overreaction or real? Oh, it's real.
26:59
I mean, it's real. I mean, you win a game on the
27:00
road against a really good team that tells you, you can do that.
27:03
So that tells us we, we could, we could win the A10, yes.
27:07
Great Maggie is on track to finish as the greatest women's
27:11
player in program history. Well, I've already said that, so
27:13
yeah, that's 100% real, OK. I'm starting with the easier
27:16
ones, Yeah. Alicia Newell will make the A10
27:18
All Defensive team this season. I still think yes, I mean, it
27:21
wasn't our best game today, start shutting down their best
27:24
player. But like I, I think, yeah,
27:26
she'll make the all defense team.
27:27
OK, that's a little tougher. So the women lost today at home.
27:29
First home loss since Texas about a year ago.
27:33
The women won't lose another home game this season.
27:36
Overreaction or real? It's an overreaction.
27:40
We're going to. We've got some good teams.
27:42
Rhode Island's really good. I don't know if we play my home
27:44
or not this year. George Mason, St.
27:46
Joe's, Davidson's really good. So there's four good teams in
27:50
the A10 that could come in and beat us.
27:51
So I would say overreaction. OK, both teams, men and women,
27:55
will finish with net rankings inside the top 60.
27:59
Overreaction or real? Oh wow, that's a tough one.
28:05
I assume it's tough on one side. Yeah, I.
28:07
Think the I think the women will be there.
28:09
Tougher on one. Side, I think the men, I mean,
28:11
it's so hard to be in the top 60.
28:14
I mean, I only only have two A10 teams there right now.
28:16
I'm going to say, you know what, I'm going to support our men's
28:19
team because they're playing so well.
28:20
I'm going to say that's real. OK, nice.
28:22
OK, this is getting a little personal.
28:24
You ready here? We go.
28:25
Porter only calls Belmont a quad one win because he likes saying
28:29
the word quad overreaction. I don't.
28:34
Even know what that means, but I'm going to say that's
28:36
overreaction. OK, two more spider sound off is
28:40
now getting scouted by opposing teams because the Intel is too
28:43
good. That's real, that's real.
28:45
That's true. We'll check our Connecticut
28:46
listens. Actually coming into this week.
28:48
That's true. But I guarantee you that's real.
28:50
OK. And last one, Tom and Porter are
28:53
now officially a top 50 mid Major basketball podcasts.
28:56
Overreaction or real? I think that's real actually.
28:59
Top 50 Mid major. I don't know how we would ever
29:01
rank. That are there even 50 mid major
29:03
podcasts? I mean, we know there's like 7
29:05
in the eight 10s. There probably are.
29:06
It's. Probably about 50 and.
29:07
We're probably in the top 50 then, right?
29:09
That's real, 100%. That's right.
29:12
So question is, are we top ten? That's the better.
29:14
Question. Yeah, we need to have our own
29:15
like net rankings for obscure podcast like ourselves.
29:20
Well, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, it's, it's,
29:25
it's, it's fun because we, we actually had a a fan come up and
29:28
thank us for doing it today during the women's game, which I
29:31
it was just, you know, look, at the end of the day, we're doing
29:33
this. We're not making money,
29:34
Obviously, we're just trying to help the programs.
29:36
We're also trying to stay as real as possible.
29:38
So you guys want to listen. So we're, we're fans, we're
29:41
going to, we're going to say when we, when we don't agree
29:44
with the coaching decision, we'll say it right.
29:46
We're, we're going to try to be as real and fun tick as
29:48
possible. But at the same time, we do at
29:49
the end of the day, have the best interest of the programs in
29:51
mind because we want to see him win.
29:53
Yeah, so both teams kind of have a a a week off till their next
29:57
game. We'll be back at you soon with
29:59
some amazing content. We're not sure exactly what it
30:02
is yet, but we've got we're working on some some good
30:05
content for a midweek episode. Obviously we've got the games to
30:09
talk about this weekend or you know, coming up, but also
30:14
hopefully some interesting other topics we can get into.
30:17
See you at our crack research team comes up.
30:19
With we'll come up with some more good stuff for you guys to
30:21
keep you, keep you interested in Richmond basketball, talking it
30:24
all the time. Again, tough, tough result today
30:27
for the ladies. Great result for the men.
30:29
This weekend. We got to both teams have a week
30:31
off till next weekend before they play again.
30:33
So we'll come back at you with some good stuff, hopefully.
30:37
Yeah. And then, so until next time,
30:38
this is Tom. And this is Porter.
30:40
And this is spider sounding. Off see you.