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Best of the Bus: Charles Woodson On Legendary Career At Michigan + Winning Heisman Over Peyton Manning · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: Charles Woodson to the defensive goat. I mean, you are
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  Speaker 1: one of the best of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Bro.
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  Speaker 1: It is an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Man.
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  Speaker 3: You guys are shaping up to be best of all
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  Speaker 3: time too, Like what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Because we tried to get I remember I was I
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  Speaker 1: was either we were on Twitter going back and forth
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  Speaker 1: because she was a national one time. Yeah, I think,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get you, but everything was way too tight.
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  Speaker 3: But man, trying to make it happen. But yeah, the
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  Speaker 3: timing was off a little bit, but you know, we
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  Speaker 3: did it.
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  Speaker 4: Finally got it done.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 4: We obviously jumping to Michigan like for how many years?
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  Speaker 4: How we just been shitty and now finally we put
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  Speaker 4: it all together this year. Man, what did that mean
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  Speaker 4: to you as an alumni?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what what's crazy is that it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: that we were shitty. We just couldn't beat them, guys.
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  Speaker 3: We couldn't beat ohiose statement, Like that's really what it was.
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  Speaker 2: Like.
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  Speaker 3: We think about you know, Jim when he came in
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  Speaker 3: was winning nine ten games a year, but then we
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  Speaker 3: get to that last game and we could never get
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  Speaker 3: over that hump.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So when we think back to Michigan and we see
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  Speaker 3: that we had a shitty year, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: And so these last couple of years have just been like, dude,
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know how to explain it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's just it's it's not even that we won the game,
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  Speaker 3: it's how we won the game.
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  Speaker 1: And with all the all the storyline out the year too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just that game.
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  Speaker 1: It's the season right, Penn State, the har Ball getting
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  Speaker 1: spend before the Penn State game as their travel and
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  Speaker 1: he's getting told all while they're on the tarmac.
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  Speaker 2: Literally and I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was at that game because I was working with
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  Speaker 3: the big noon kickoff crew that weekend. And we get
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  Speaker 3: there and they're like, yeah, I don't know if Gym's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be able to coach today. We're like, what are
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  Speaker 3: you talking about? Like, yeah, you know, he was on
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  Speaker 3: the plane. He got the word that he might not
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  Speaker 3: be coaching, like on the plane, like literally on the
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  Speaker 3: plane to Happy Valleys. You're talking about you can't play,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he can't coach. So it's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: different storylines, you know, this particular season with him putting
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  Speaker 3: people in place Mike Hart was a coach, win game,
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  Speaker 3: head coach. This Shrone Moore, who's got the job now,
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  Speaker 3: he was a coach for like three or four games.
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  Speaker 3: And those guys, you know, just looking at looking at
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  Speaker 3: that situation in the face and just being like, it
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  Speaker 3: don't matter.
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  Speaker 4: It's such a it's such a massive like statement to
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  Speaker 4: the culture of Michigan because they had every excuse not
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  Speaker 4: to achieve the goal of winning a national championship, right
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  Speaker 4: And like you obviously you don't have to expand on
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  Speaker 4: this at all, but how pussy was it of the
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  Speaker 4: Big ten to dry to implement some sort of bullshit bandid, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna punish him Tony Patiti as they're flying to
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  Speaker 4: Penn State and doing all that. That's just just.
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  Speaker 1: Just bad ball.
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  Speaker 4: There's no due process there. And so but the thing
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  Speaker 4: I like about it personally is that if there were
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  Speaker 4: all these allegations and they never took hardball off the field,
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  Speaker 4: then it'd be like the true asterisk to a national championship.
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  Speaker 4: But because you put all the adversity on and off
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  Speaker 4: the field towards the Michigan players right now, it's like
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  Speaker 4: there's there's truly like it didn't matter with gotten their
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  Speaker 4: way that they were winning a national championship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it truly was a Michigan versus everybody. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the coin, the phrase that they coined, and also the
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  Speaker 3: other one was bet.
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  Speaker 2: You know they had that.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, I forget after which game it was, but it
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  Speaker 3: was just to say, all right, you guys are gonna
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  Speaker 3: put put all of this on our plate.
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  Speaker 2: Bet we'll handle it. And that's exactly what they did.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, being in Happy Valley and you know
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  Speaker 3: that being you know, our toughest game at to that
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  Speaker 3: point on the schedule, and then coming out in that
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  Speaker 3: second half and I think they threw the ball one
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  Speaker 3: time and then from there on it was like just
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  Speaker 3: old school Michigan football for all half, like just just
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  Speaker 3: take this, take this, take this.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it was. It was fun, man, the whole
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  Speaker 2: the whole ride this year.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I mean, you know, we were riding along with them, guys, man,
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  Speaker 3: just on Cloud nine every week. And then when they
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  Speaker 3: capped it off, I was able to go to the
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  Speaker 3: semi final. Pasadena didn't make it to the championship game.
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  Speaker 3: But watching that championship game and the way they performed
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  Speaker 3: the domination, you know, that that, you know what, we
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  Speaker 3: go back because you talked about the culture and that
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  Speaker 3: was important with this team because of all of the
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  Speaker 3: guys who said I'm coming back, I'm coming back because
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  Speaker 3: we got unfinished business, and then they actually did it
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  Speaker 3: like that was That's pretty special, man.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm happy for them.
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  Speaker 4: Guys.
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  Speaker 1: What's it like knowing that you guys brought that Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: Your guys university brought a national title in twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been since what like the nineteen forties since
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  Speaker 1: you guys last won a national.
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  Speaker 2: Title ninety seven. Man, Damn yeah, I know he did
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  Speaker 2: it on purpose. I know what he did. I know
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  Speaker 2: that was good. That good.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. Okay, I see, I see how it is,
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  Speaker 2: see how the show is gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor and I obviously we always go back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: Ye I mean, you guys have been whooping our ass
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  Speaker 1: for a while.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I had to get that in because it's always like
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  Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm put up against Taylor Dave Poortnoy,
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  Speaker 1: we go back and forth. If I try to throw Nebraska,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like all nineteen ninety seven. Personally, I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: as a player, you like being the coaches pole National
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  Speaker 1: Championship more than the AP national chair.
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  Speaker 3: Well man, you know when you guys got up there
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  Speaker 3: and start crying, you know, after the season about you know,
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  Speaker 3: our coaches leaving and man, we deserve it.
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  Speaker 2: Were like, what the hell is going on? Right? You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: So you guys begged your way into that.
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  Speaker 2: That was tough too, the coaches.
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  Speaker 4: I guess we'll just give it to him then, like really, come.
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  Speaker 1: On, I mean we you know, Nebraska beat And it's
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  Speaker 1: funny because Charles is like he's a he was a player,
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  Speaker 1: he was on the Michigan team. Like we're like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just sitting here, like, oh we Nebraska, Yeah you're eight
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  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, old hey. But Nebraska beat Peyton Manning led Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, they did.
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  Speaker 1: They did average over forty a game. Fish can average
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  Speaker 1: twenty something. However, they're defense.
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  Speaker 2: You guys.
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  Speaker 3: We were pretty mad about that too, because we go
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  Speaker 3: out to you know, washingt this thing. We're like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Tennessee, you know, give these boys a fight,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, because that's going to help
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  Speaker 3: our calls if they roll down there and struggle and
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  Speaker 3: Nebraska goes down there and slaps some boys.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, damn it, what's it like? Because you guys
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  Speaker 1: had you guys played more like top ten teams that
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, i'll say the Big ten, like back
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties, Like you guys had more of those
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  Speaker 1: teams in the top ten. But like, as a player,
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  Speaker 1: are you kind of hoping you get dealt like I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember how it worked with the bowl game selection
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  Speaker 1: back then, but are you hoping you get like the
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  Speaker 1: higher matchup or did you already kind of know you
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  Speaker 1: were going to play the PAC twelve champion?
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  Speaker 3: There was a Pactorld Championship, so I think we were
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  Speaker 3: a year before the BCS SOT. If it was a
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  Speaker 3: year later, we would have had a chance to play.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been it would have been Nebraska.
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  Speaker 3: We'd have a chance to play in Nebraska, but were
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  Speaker 3: just one year too early.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, we went out and played the winner, the
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  Speaker 3: Pack twelve, and they played, you know, Nebraska.
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  Speaker 2: So that's just where that's.
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  Speaker 1: The way when.
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  Speaker 4: You're when you're doing all the big new stuff and
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  Speaker 4: it's your essentially your job, your obligation to be as
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  Speaker 4: unbiased as possible, But all this stuff is like going down.
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  Speaker 4: How do you catch yourself in Happy Valley thinking, all right,
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  Speaker 4: Hardball's not on there, but you're on the sideline. I
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  Speaker 4: think there's a clip of you and it might've been
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  Speaker 4: Desmond Howard as well, like getting hyped up, like are
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  Speaker 4: you like trying your best not to get excited?
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  Speaker 2: No, like our producers and you know everyone who brought
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  Speaker 2: me in.
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  Speaker 3: You know at Fox, they know that when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to Michigan, it is what it is like when I'm
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  Speaker 3: on the set, I'm rooting for Michigan. I'm on the
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  Speaker 3: sideline and room for Michigan. I'm going to be biased
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  Speaker 3: as bias can get. So there's no secret. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but when it comes when it comes down to like
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  Speaker 3: really talking about the game, like keys the game, how
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  Speaker 3: Michigan's Michigan, Michigan is going to win, on how State's
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  Speaker 3: gonna win, I'll give the real but as it you know,
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  Speaker 3: in terms of what my loyalties like, it ain't no
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  Speaker 3: secret you.
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  Speaker 1: Enjoy Cup in college more than the NFL because I
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  Speaker 1: know he was doing NFL before you signed on with
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  Speaker 1: with the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Is where it's at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Man college is too many damn teams in college.
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  Speaker 1: There as I feel like you, like I enjoy the
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  Speaker 1: school spirit of college because you just know you're pulling
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  Speaker 1: for your team no matter what versus the NFL. Like
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  Speaker 1: playing on a few different teams, it's like it's more
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  Speaker 1: of like a player driven Like I'm kind of rude
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  Speaker 1: for guys and players, And yeah, I like to see
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Titans, Washington do well. But like that
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  Speaker 1: the connection with your with your school spirit in college.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it ain't nothing like it. It's nothing like it.
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  Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I get asked that question like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know why you why do you feel
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  Speaker 3: the way you feel about Michigan?
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  Speaker 2: You know why you love them so much?
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  Speaker 3: And I answered this question not too long ago, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it's like for me, it was the first
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  Speaker 3: place I was trying to get to, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, being a being a high school athlete and
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're getting out of all of these letters
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  Speaker 3: and you know you're you're working towards, you know, trying
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  Speaker 3: to do something bigger than playing in high school, like.
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  Speaker 2: Michigan was like I'm trying to get there.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and it was a dream
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  Speaker 3: come true to you know, sign there and go to
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  Speaker 3: Michigan and so you know that that that love of
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know, trying to get to a destination
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  Speaker 3: and reaching it. You know, it was was a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: So you know that's why it runs deep. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: had a really good interview on the pivot and I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to recall.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell the story about there was a game
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  Speaker 1: where coach held you out and You're like, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to go in and say sorry, and then your
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  Speaker 1: mom's your mom say, hey, if you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: apologize yourself, do it for me. Can you retell that story? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 4: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It was just crazy because my you know, we had
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  Speaker 3: played uh, I think I forget the game we played
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  Speaker 3: before Ohio State. But anyway, I had my back locked
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  Speaker 3: up for whatever reason, and I talked to the trainer.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, man, my back is locked up. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know why I can. I can barely move. He's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I don't worry about it. You don't have to practice today,
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  Speaker 3: and so I was like, great, But when I walk
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  Speaker 3: out to practice, I don't have any Michigan issue stuff
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  Speaker 3: on I just got my school stuff on. The coach
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  Speaker 3: cars like what are you doing? I'm like what. He's like, what,
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  Speaker 3: where's where's your uniform? I'm like, ah, man, I talked
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  Speaker 3: to Smitty Smitty side and had to practice today. It
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  Speaker 3: was like, I don't get in there and put something
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  Speaker 3: on then, So I go in and put some other
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  Speaker 3: stuff on, but I keep my white shoes on that
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  Speaker 3: warder school.
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  Speaker 2: What do you got on your feet? I'm like, what, man,
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  Speaker 2: get in there?
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  Speaker 1: And when you went back in, like, are you feeling like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: coach is trying me a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah, a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But then this was ninety six, so a week before.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State gaming.
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  Speaker 3: So I came back out and then I'm on the
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  Speaker 3: sideline and talking with some of the fellas and coach
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  Speaker 3: he sings me, Hey, come here, go over there to
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  Speaker 3: the offense. Hey, you need to pay attention. I'm like, Coach,
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  Speaker 3: I'm paying attention, Like what's going on? Man, Well, if
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  Speaker 3: you're going to be on the sideline, you're not practicing,
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  Speaker 3: you need to pay attention. I'm like all right, So
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  Speaker 3: I walk on the sideline. Few periods go by, he
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  Speaker 3: cast me back over there.
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  Speaker 2: What's it get over here. I'm like, damn, what is
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  Speaker 2: going on today?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 2: Go over there.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, if you're not going to pay attention, you can
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  Speaker 3: just leave. And I was like, all right, I'm out.
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  Speaker 2: So I left.
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  Speaker 3: I went back to the I went back to the dorm,
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  Speaker 3: and a little time passed, day or two, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember the timeline of that. But I get
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  Speaker 3: called down by my position, coach Vans Bedford. He's like, hey, listen,
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  Speaker 3: coach wants to talk to you. When you go down there,
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  Speaker 3: just go ahead and apologize, and then he's gonna let
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  Speaker 3: you play this week. And I was like, Coach, now,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not apologizing. He's like, listen to me, just apologizing.
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  Speaker 2: So I go down there.
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  Speaker 3: Me and coach talked a little while and he's like, a,
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  Speaker 3: you know, do you think you justified yourself by walking
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  Speaker 3: out of practice. I was like, yeah, man, because I
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  Speaker 3: don't feel like you got to make an example out
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  Speaker 3: of me and this whole thing. He was like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: well you ain't playing this week. I was like all right.
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  Speaker 3: I got up and walked out, went down there to
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  Speaker 3: back to Coach Bedford's room, and he was like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: what do you say. I said, I'm not playing this week.
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  Speaker 3: He said, boy, I told you, don't go down there
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  Speaker 3: and say nothing, but just apologize. Hold on a minute.
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  Speaker 3: He gets on the phone. My mom answers MS Woodson.
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  Speaker 3: I told this boy, don't go down there and say nothing.
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  Speaker 3: He called my mom. Man and uh, Mama gets on
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  Speaker 3: the phone.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on. I'm like, I'm not playing this week.
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  Speaker 2: She was like why.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, man, you know, me and coach got
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  Speaker 3: into it and this or that, and coach wants me
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  Speaker 3: to apologize.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't apologize. She was like, okay, well we'll just
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  Speaker 2: do this.
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  Speaker 3: If you're not going to apologize for yourself, apologize for me.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, kidding, she broke me. So she
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  Speaker 2: broke it.
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  Speaker 3: So man, I had to be you talk about being
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  Speaker 3: to knee, I had to bend to knee man, moms
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  Speaker 3: mom's And so I went down there and I was like, coach, man,
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  Speaker 3: you know it's my bad man. You know, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I shouldn't have walked out a practice. And that's all
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  Speaker 3: he wanted. He was like, all right, playing this week, so.
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  Speaker 2: You should you should have You should have saw how
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  Speaker 2: slow I walked down.
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  Speaker 4: I bet I brought up you brought up Schmidty, who
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  Speaker 4: is Michigan Like, yeah, the head trainer for the longest time.
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  Speaker 4: He's the guy that like, you get an X ray,
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  Speaker 4: what the X ray say?
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  Speaker 1: X rays?
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  Speaker 4: Don't talk? Friend, keep walking?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, smart, smart smitty.
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  Speaker 4: And then Big John Big Do you have any Big
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  Speaker 4: John stories because I'll preface one real quick. So obviously
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  Speaker 4: I was in the dark ages of Michigan with rich
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  Speaker 4: Rodriguez and Bratty. No disrespect to them, it was just
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  Speaker 4: that time that the alumb would come by and hey,
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  Speaker 4: y'all suck, and.
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  Speaker 1: That's just what it is. Tough always having the guys
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties, like we had that too, where guys
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  Speaker 1: you guys aren't well, we had when we.
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  Speaker 4: Were at the Hot State game this year, some guys
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  Speaker 4: came up and we were talking, Hey, what years were
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  Speaker 4: you there again? I was like, oh, nine to thirteen.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, oh, yeah, that's that's a tough time. But
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  Speaker 4: when rich Rodriguez, I'll bring that when Richard Heez first
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  Speaker 4: got the job, there's a story that Big John would
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  Speaker 4: go and at like five in the morning and get
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  Speaker 4: on the elliptical in the weight room, but naked, nothing
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: and he was like a sloppy body cat. Yeah, he
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: was just naked on the elliptical, sweat and dripping everywhere,
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: all over the place. And he was just and like
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: the most fun way of crude, like over the top,
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: like kind of just a horny old guy. But he
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: was like.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: That being said, Yeah, I don't, I don't, Yeah, I don't.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: I don't have the stories, like some of my teammates
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: have more in depth stories of Johnny, but Johnny was big.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: John was kind of like, uh.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: Like family guy, you know what I'm saying, Like just
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: inappropriately funny guy.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: He always got one for.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: Everybody watching, the most innocent fun way the soil Johnny.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: What he did, he said, what he did? You know? So, yeah,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: he was he was. He was that guy man, but
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: he he was a great guy.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was a lot, a lot of stories,
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: A lot of stories, big guys, A lot of stories.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: I can't I can't tell you.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what what is it like? I know you've probably
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: been asking so much, but what was it like winning
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: the Heisman over Peyton Manning? I mean, and two it's
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: like it's Peyton Manning. You know, quarterbacks who it was
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: also Ryan Lee, Randy Moss, but the quarterback Peyton Manning's
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: got the complexion for the protection and you end up
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: winning the Heisman like being a two way player. What
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: was that like when you won that?
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: What's crazy is that we got three three first ballot
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Hall of famers on there, Me, Peyton and Randy and
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: then at the time, you know, yeah, you got Ryan
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Leaf there, who everybody thought, Man, he's gonna be the guy.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with him and Peyton coming out, a lot of
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: people had Ryan Leaf ahead of him. But the thing
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: about it is that, you know, I thought throughout the season,
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: I thought I'll played myself into a position where people
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: recognize who I was as a player, and I thought
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: I was the best player. But I didn't think I
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: was going to win the Heisman. Like there was no way,
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: you know, I was going to win the Heisman overpaid. Man,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: It just wasn't It wasn't going to happen. You know,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: the whole season coming in, I think he had came
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: back for his senior year a year, so you know,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: that was that was really all of the talk. You know,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: to finish business, you hate man, he came back for
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: you know, his senior year, Like, wow, what he's doing
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: for the university. He is coming back for his guys,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: and he's coming back to win the Heisman Trophy. Like
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: that was a foregone conclusion. And so you know, season
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: carried on. And what was great is watching the thirty
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: for thirty that they just had came out and because
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff you don't you don't remember, but
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: they had that that little ranking each week of who
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: was ahead, Like you had Peyton and then it was
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: ship there was a running back I saw maybe it
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: was Tavan Banks or something, the Tavan and then like
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: I was down here at the bottom, and then I
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: might move up, and then Peyton may move down, and
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: then this guy may move up. So it was really
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: interesting how it kind of played out throughout the year.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: And then when Michigan State happened and the one hand
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: catch happened, then I kind of stayed steady in a
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: certain place, and then Penn State happened. Playing both ways
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: called a called a touchdown. Past that game, I'm playing
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: against Juror Vicious, and I remember they asked me before
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: that game, you know, did I think before or after
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: did I think I was the best player in the country.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I'm the best player of the country,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: but still not thinking they're gonna you know, I'm not winning.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Put you over.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Yah, not gonna happen.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: There's such a such a like a focused position driving numbers, like.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: It's a numbers game.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: It's a numbers game, you know, and so and then
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: how state happens and then here comes you know, the ceremony,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: and it's like I'm there in New York to have
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: a good time hanging out with Randy, hanging out with
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: all the guys and just this is this is a
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: cool experience. And then you know Rudy, Rudy risk I
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: believe it was opens an envelope and it's like from Michigan.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Oh man, it was like my whole body just went limp.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: And if you watch it, you see Randy on the side,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: he's like get up.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So he nudged me. I'm like, damn, I just would.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: What was the highest you got on the list, like
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: throughout the year to where maybe you had an inkling
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like maybe there's a dot.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I think I think I got up.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I think I got up to one, I believe, And
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: but it kind of it just rotated, so it's one
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: and two, maybe three, then two than one. So it
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: was it was kind of cool, you know, to to
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: see some of the footage because, like I said, a
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: lot of that stuff, man, it's a long time ago
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: for me, but a lot of stuff you don't. You
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: don't remember interviews that you did, you know, certain things
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: other people said.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, man, it was cool to relive that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: People don't talk about this. But like, you win the heisman,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: obviously it's such a surreal moment. Your blood's pumping, Like,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: how stressful, nervous for your giving the speech, accepting.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Your I didn't have Yeah, I didn't have nothing. I
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: had nothing. Yeah, I had nothing.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Thank you family. Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Probably without the footage, you probably doesn't even remember, like.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I remember, you know, getting up and of course,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: you know, thanking my.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Mom and then and then I know I probably did
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I made some reference to somebody else who I thought
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: should have won it but didn't win it, and then
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: finally they got it right or something something crazy like that.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: But I didn't.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I didn't have a speech because I was like, like
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I said, I'm here to just enjoy this moment and.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Write nothing down.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It is kind of it's.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Kind of a bad look. Not a bad look, but
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: when they pull out.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I don't like to do that.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Just as a general rule, I don't like to read
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: from anything. If I if I'm talking, I just like
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: to talk. But yeah, I went there, man, just.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Nothing, ma'am you When you think about like the colleg
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: football landscaping now on all the nil stuff, how would
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: you had to be going crazy, you'd have put you
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: would have been. I mean, you've been a seven figure cat.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I got, I got, I got one year left.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: You trying to get out. I got one year the bench,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: but I make seven figures plays.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: How many players you think you give to a college
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: game in college right right now? If you play.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: College, I'll run that ship right now.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: So you don't think you'd be blowing a hand me
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: out there?
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Hey listen, told you got a little as that beer.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: A little bit, A little bit. I believe I.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Still run around a little bit. I still get after it. Yeah,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I give I give, I give him some work out
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: there straight up.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: In college's playing corner.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I could play anything anything.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: He'd be like uh, Travis Hunter, I'd be like him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he truly plays both the ways.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I think that is like one hundred and thirty plus
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: plays again, like crazy, I tell people like I, I
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: like dibbled and dabbled on offense. I didn't play a
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: whole lot offense. It just seems like he plays of defense.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Like literally, that's crazy.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: When you don't come off the field, right, Yeah, that's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: where do you think he's better suited on offense or defense?
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Man, I think receiver. I think he's a nasty receiver.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I mean he's a good corner'll get me wrong, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I see it's his his offensive skills. Man, I think
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: it's offensive skills dominate over his defensive skills.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: What's interesting too, is like your story back when you
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: were you know, with your mom and coach and like
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: not playing like situations like that. I feel like these days,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like you could just if you're upset, you could.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Just bounce et quick yea yeah, and not have any
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: any repercussions. Like it used to be where if you
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: went to another D one school you had to sit
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: out a whole year. And so now it's like what coach, Oh,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I don't worry, but I won't be here tomorrow. You
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: can just leave.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Do you think if.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: You when you were a freshman ad mission that, like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: was there any time of time if there was an
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: opportunity to go on the transferport that you might mind.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Well, at that time we talked about with Coach car
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: So when I went back to my dorm room, it
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: was funny because we had a couple of guys who
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: visited the University of Miami.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Were you in West Quad?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I was in I was in West Squad.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And and so after practice, a couple of guys,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: my boys, Man, what happened?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I was like, Man, I don't know, man, coach tripping. Man,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I said, Man, I'm out of here. Man.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: It was like what I said, Man, fuck this, Man,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going to Miami. Man, I'm transferred out here. I
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: don't want to be here. Man, were going too, we Man,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: let's do it serious. So we had like a little
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: mutiny going on for like twenty four hours. Yeah, a
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: little bit like Man, I'm leaving. But uh, but I
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: think that's probably how it happens, you know, with a
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: lot of guys. You know, you have an altercation with
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: a coach and you go back to the room and
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: there's nobody to talk. You down from that ledge and
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: you're like, shum out, I don't I don't got to
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: deal with this. And nowadays it's easier than ever to
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: say I don't want to deal with it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: It makes it so much more difficult to keep accountability
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: in a locker room that's so important in football together.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: And that's what that's what hard, what what Michigan did
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: with and and the reason why I feel like they
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: want and we're so dominant is because they really had
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: grown men out there.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: We got a bunch of you know, junior seniors guys
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: who came back. And so if you look at what
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: you know, how a state is doing right now, they're
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: they're trying to you know, buy all these players, trying
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: to get all this this this quick fix. It's hard
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: to it's hard to build it that way, you know
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. If you if you're trying to do
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: that every year, like you got to have you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: kind of a nucleus of guys that are coming back
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: and you can build a program with. So it's gonna
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: get harder and harder, and you know for coaches to
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: kind of maintain that because there used to.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Be truly like a loyalty to school.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Now it's just a loyalty to you and what you
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: can get, you know, trying to get the.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Most out of it for yourself. So so it's gonna
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: be hard for coaches.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: That's an interesting thing, is like having loyalty to yourself
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: and your school even when you play. When we play
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: like that was still there, like you still wanted to
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: benefit yourself playing well and the team doing well is
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: you know at the same time. But now it's like
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: it's wild west. And with Ohio State the way they're
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: setting up this year, they're spending so much money in
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: an IL and bringing these guys in there. If they
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: don't essentially if they don't win the national championship, it's
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: it's right.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's that's the That's definitely the type of
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: pressure that you put on yourself. If you say, all right,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I got the best guy out from here, the best
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: guy from here, best guy from here, and then you
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: get them all together and it doesn't work. It's like,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: you know, people start looking at you real crazy, yeah,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: and you like, go ahead.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna know if you got more in college,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I was going to start to dabble in the NFL world, but.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: A couple more things on college just this year. Sean
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: More obviously, like I'm a massive Sean More fan. I
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: think he deserved that job. They made the right Yeah
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: he is. He's the dude for for the university should
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: he lost a lot of players, like eighteen dudes gonna
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: get drafted, and then coaching staff and lost the DC
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: lost the string coach, which I think is like the
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: most devastating loss. Like herb with the opportunity to go
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: there and meet and talk at him, he was.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Kind of going starting the conditioning, Oh man, it's my guy. Man.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, evaluates hips, knees, everything in the grading scale they
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: put everybody on. Like you walk away from that being like, damn,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I wish he was. Yeah, I was playing because it
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: was like a guy like this is a dude you
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: have for all of college and then in the off
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: season you're backing in arbor.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: What.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I took my son up to a little two day
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: camp they had up there, and he just had a
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: you know, certain easy way that that he does pull ups.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Ship. I went back home and I was doing him
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: that way. You know what I'm saying, that's the kind
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of guy he was. Man.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, what's like like like most reasonable expectation for
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: the University of Michigan in twenty twenty four season.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be tough. You know, looking at
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: the schedule I was looking at the other day. We
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: got Texas coming in the second game.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Schedule to the USC right l A State, Ohio State,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Oregon tail.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and and you know, you just look at the Texas.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: They have their guy, their quarterbacks coming back, you know
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: what I mean. So they have you know, what we
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: have is a lot of guys leaving. Our quarterback leaves.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: You got a Texas team that just was in the
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: playoffs as well, they're still building building on that and
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: still have a lot of things in place. And then
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: they got their quarterback coming back. So I think it'll
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: it'll be it'll be tough sledding for him, just because
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: he's really rebuilding it. Like you said, there's nothing I
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: don't think anything hurts some more than losing staff, losing
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: guys that were in there in place, you know, losing
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: uh being strength and conditioning coach, You lose your defensive.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Coordinator, you know, he's gone. Uh. A few other guys
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: have have left as well.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I think Jim's uh is it jim Son that's on
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the on the staff that he just left.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know you would assume taking a couple offensive guys.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot of guys left, man, So I
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: don't know it'd be it'll be interesting, but it's gonna
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: be a it's gonna be a tough slip to slip.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: The uh and Arbor best place to go eat college kid.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I got the place in my head right now, but
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I don't want to start.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, n I l.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no no. We're talking those little chips,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: like those little coupons.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: That I like to well for me, for me, it
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: was cottage in cottage and did hit Yeah cottage.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think we.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: It's a little pizza spot. Did you guys get the
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: little pieces of paper the chips?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Fifteen bucks on ours?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: See ours? Was you got like two medium pizzas and
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: like a soda or something like that. You go smack
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: one of those things, barbarcue. It was nice. We are
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: this podcast is mister spots.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Mister spots. Yeah, like mister Spots. But me, but me,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I was I was. It was pizza for me, man. Yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: and cottage In they had they had the they had
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: the best pizza. And I always felt like cottage In
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: was out of all the places that we could get. So,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: you know, he had mister spots, you had Cottage In,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: and we only had like four different places you can
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: go from. Like that one to me was like the most,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Like I felt like I was really doing something if
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: I went into college Cottagein and.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Got something, you know what I'm saying. The restaurant. Yeah, yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, you.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Know, I felt like I was doing something, you know
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: what I mean? So Cottage In was that deal.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Last last college go to the NFL Top five players
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: University of Michigan history, but not like obviously, like the
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: argument here would be Tom Brady. Would Tom Brady be
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: a top five Michigan football player?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Not a Michigan right right, right right?
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: But you have one, so you don't have to do
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: it yourself.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Got to put myself in there? Yeah, well we could.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I put myself in. Can I put myself in an
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: offense and defense and I can be.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Like that? Oh man, that's that's pretty tough. I'm gonna say. Uh.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Desmond i'd have to go Anthony Carter. Mmmm, that's tough.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Let's get my man hutch in there, Steve Hutchison.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, that sneaky with one maybe Jake Long.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I got two receivers in right now, because
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I've already smoked with that mold and I got to
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Oh so that would be two offensive tackles, no.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Choice in the guard.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: But also Blake Horn.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Got some recent guys in there, Let's put Blake in there.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Let's put Blake in there for what he did, uh
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: these last couple of seasons. And he's rocking the deuce
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: out there too. Let's do that. So that's that's fine, right,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: that's fine, Okay, tough question.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: It was helped me out. Was Blake's stats overall better
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: than heart?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, I just remember that.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Touchdown wise for sure, I think because he got a
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: bunch of touchdowns.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: By any Michigan players.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Like I think he blew it up. I don't think
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: he blew it out. I think he be about one
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: or two.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but did.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: It with only like three years starting as opposed to
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: that Anthony Thomas, Yeah, he was at like fifty five
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: four year starter and he got like fifty seven.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Six Mike did.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: It was real?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: What the what the core?
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: All?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, even even though you have the
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: all the yards and stuff, it's still about impact too. Yeah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Like his impact on the team is one of those
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: things that you know, it might not be top five
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: and Russian or whatever, but his impact on coming back,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And then his impact just
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: just his presence on the field.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Man, So like my man, Yeah, yeah, I.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Don't even I mean, you had such an incredible NFL
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: career as well, it's kind of like hard to focus
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: on something or start somewhere, but I am curious, Like
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you're one of the greatest Raiders of all time, and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: then you had that stint in Green Bay where you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: played a lot of good ball, and then you come
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: back to Oakland like when you were in a hit
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: free agency, like you were somebody who were friend you
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: were franchise tagged, right yep, So like was there when
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: you left Oakland the first time? Was there like bitterness
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: with the organization when going to Green Bay, like because
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you obviously came back around to Oakland, but being such
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: a great player for them, when they kind of like
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: let you go elsewhere. Was there like any resentment? Was
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: there any bitterness of the business per se?
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of because I never thought that I would
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: leave Oakland, And the bitterness was more so with you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: like the GM at the time, so not necessarily just Raiders.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: It was just the GM, you know, And I think
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: at that time, you know, you know, they you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: told my agents or something something that there was you know,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: no value to bringing me back to the Raiders, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: that was coming from from that side, and so it
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: was like, you know what I'm saying, what are you
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: talking about? So, yeah, it was it was a little
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: bit bitterness in that regard. But I was also like
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I said, I didn't think I would leave there. But
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: then it was I've got franchise tagged, so I was free,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: so I could go anywhere. So I thought that, you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I was going to have my my picket or litter
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: you know, anywhere I wanted to go, you know, I
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: was going to be able to go. And it, man,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: it was it was dry as this a heara out there,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Yeah, it was.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It was kind of crazy.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: And so you know, I went in thinking one thing,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and then my experience wasn't all that great, you know.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: And so through the process, green Bay began to call
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: my agents and and you know, wanted to bring me in,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and you know, I was reluctant. I was like, nah,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not going to Green Bay. So there
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: was no really no really no reason for me to
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: visit there and so called again. And when everything was
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: really like quiet from from everyone else, you know, I
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: had my agent reaching out to other people and nobody
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: was biting. So I was like, all right, well, let
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: me go to Green Bay because we got to at
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: least try to draw some interest from I'll go there.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe somebody else will be like, all right, well some
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: other people are checking form.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Man. It was it was crazy, yo. But if green
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Bay didn't want me, I don't.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I really don't know where where I would have played
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and six.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: It really, yeah, really.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Why do you think it was so dry? Like the
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: free agency market?
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: There were you know, just there was a lot of
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of things out there. One I had I
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: did come off an injury. I broke my leg in
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: two thousand and five, so I missed the final ten
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: games of the season and then people talked about my
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: attitude and talked about you know, just a lot of
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: different different things and so, and I think some of
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: that came from the raider side as well, just you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: putting some stuff.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Out there conversation, you know, right right, right right.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Because because Mike McCarthy asked when I first met with Mike,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: because it was his first I think it was his
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: first year, was my first year, he asked me about
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: it in our meeting. He was like, oh, what is
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: this about you, you know, being a bad bad team guy,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: bad locker room guy. And I was like, what, Like, man,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: you can't talk to any players I played with that's
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: say I'm a I'm a bad locker room guy. So
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know where that's coming from. So there was
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: some things being you know put out there. Uh that
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: muddy the water and so yeah, it was just it
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: was a it was a little tough, tough period man
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: to kind of go through as a.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Guy who I had done everything, you know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I'm like, damn, that's how they that's
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: how they really feel.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you did you have any more moments that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you felt like they were defining you by that you
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: might have had lower moments while being on the Raiders
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that allowed them to say, what's this about you being
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a bad team guy?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean I had some asshole in me.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I ain't gonna say that.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but but in terms of you know, player and
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, guys in the locker room.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Nah, it wouldn't have it wouldn't have been from that.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I had my I have my
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: my issues with coaches at times. You know, I like
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: to hang out, do my thing, you know what I'm saying,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: outside of playing football. So you know, maybe that could
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: have had something to do with it. Who knows, But
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: in terms of being able to play the game, and
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Just overall, you know, good dude, a good dude, you
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Can you speak to like your development in the the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: film room because obviously, like you're a guy, you were,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you were an All American coming out, Heisman Trophy winner,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: top five pick, like you have all the accolades, right,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh, he's the most He's just so talented.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: He's super talented. But I'm also fortunate enough to play
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: with Will Blackman for a couple of years. And when
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Will and I we'd have our sushi knights and stuff,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: but he would talk about you as somebody who's always
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: like a last in the building, and he would learn
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of his study habits from you. You feel
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: like you had those throughout your entire career. You developed
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: him as you got older, because he always said the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: best things about you. I feel like something like that,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: like being a student of the game, kind of gets
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: slept on when you're somebody who has all the accolades.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: In the world.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it compounds over time because you do
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: start out, you know, like myself, I was a great athlete,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: so a lot of stuff's going to come easy, you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: so you don't necessarily have to spend as much time
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: looking at certain things.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: But the one thing that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I've always had as a player was I've had great
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: play recall, you know what I mean. So when you're
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: out there on the field and you see certain things,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: you start to pick up on tendencies like I always
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: had that without necessarily having to look at film. And
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: so then you know, as your career goes on, you
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: take different different methods from different coaches like Vance Befford,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Like I remember, you know, just going back to a
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: certain play. We played Northwestern my junior year and it
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: was a third and long situation and me and him
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: had went over what they liked to do in that
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: situation and they ran out and I picked that out off.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: So different things you pick up from different coaches. Chuck
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Burgano was another guy who worked on me on third
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: down as well, you know, being around him, I learned
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: a lot on third down tendencies, you know that being
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: money down and so over time then you start developing
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: your own style of how you like to see things.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: And so for me, like I said, I always had,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: you know, good play. Recall what I would start to
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: do in my studies. I would start to watch the
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: game from the opposing team's one yard line all the
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: way to the one yard line, but then the same personnel.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: So I wanted to see from the one to the one,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: same person I want to see it in all parts
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: of the field because you'll run certain things from first
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: to five, first to ten, ten to twenty twenty to
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: forty forty to twenty twenty two. You know what I'm saying,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And a lot of it mirrors what you do from
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: here to here, you know what I mean. So, like
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: you take a wheel for example. You know, I would
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: have my film broken up certain ways, and then I
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: would tell those guys, this is how I like to
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: look at the film. And so we would, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: when we'd have our times together in our film room,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: we would look at the film and then we start
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: going over these things. When and when I would see
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: something that would kind of they may get to it
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: a different way, but it's the same thing. Would I
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: would go back to it, all right, Now watch this.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Watch how this team lines up on this plane runs it.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Now watch them motion to it and run it. But
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: it's the same thing, you know. So I was always
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: taught it's not how you line up, it's how you
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: wind up. So those are the things that I was
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: able to, you know, pass along to those guys. And
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: for me, it's just over time, it was I got
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: gradually even better at it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: You know, you found like another way to prepare them
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, added to your game and that that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: fires me up as a defensive guy. That's that's that's
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: football porn right there.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: It seems like you had a good way of simplifying
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: things exactly, emotions and stuff like that. This is the
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: same thing just a little extra dressing on it, like
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: to go back to like the you know, tough locker
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: room guy, or these being put into a box of
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: a category of your character. For Charles Woodson, how when
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: you're hearing these things from different coaches from different gms,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: like how did you? Was that like motivation for you?
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Like I'll prove you wrong and this is why? Or
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: how do you handle those types of things when someone
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: might be putting you in a corner and saying you're
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: like this, when you truly don't feel you're like that.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Actually I was kind of I was hurt, man, you
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Yeah, that kind of hurt, you
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: know because I never, throughout my whole life, had never
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: been in a position where.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: People doubted me.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, that never, And so that
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: was that was a period where it was like there
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: was there was some doubt cast over me as a as
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: a as a football player.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Now you may not like me.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: As a person or whatever that is, but like on
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the football field, like to have somebody say, man, he
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: can't do that anymore. He's always heard he's injury prone,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: he's that, and that's like damn, like that that kind
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: of that kind of broke me down a little bit.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: And so when I when I first got to Green Bay,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: you know, there was just a period in there where
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I was like, damn, I don't I don't even want
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: to play football anymore, you know what I'm saying. So
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: at Green Bay, Yeah, when I when I first got
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: there and I first signed, you know, I called a
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: few people who are close to me and I was like, yeah,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I think I'm I think I'm gonna hang it up.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: And and it was my uh my agent at the time,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Kevin Posting. He uh he said, hey, man, he said,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: you signed the contract, right. I was like, yeah, I
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: signed the contract. He was like, well, that's like giving
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: your word. And I was like yeah. He was like,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: you at least at least need to play one at
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: least play one year. You know what I'm saying, Because
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: you've signed the contract, you gave me your word at
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: least need to play one year.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: And so I was like, yeah, you know what, that
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: makes sense. That makes sense.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: So, you know, I got through that little period and
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: then you know, things just kind of just started to
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: take off and slow down in Green Bay where I
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, I'm back.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You guys had a good team too. It looked fun,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: like everybody talked about your schematics defensively.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Why am I forget his name?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Coordinator?
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Well, that was later you're talking about Dom Capers. Okay,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: that was later on when I first got there was
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: another guy. But we but in terms of having fun,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: we had we had a great group, especially secondary wise,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Al Harris, Nick Collins, Tremion Williams had just come in
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: some young some other young guys are tarry big beats,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: so like our secondary, you know, then young will comes in.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: We had just some young, good guys on that secondary
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: man and uh, it was great because you know when
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: you talk about I had some young guys that kind
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: of looked up to me, and so you know, kind
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: of watching what I did, and you talk about the
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: film study and all of those sorts of things. So
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: then it really became fun because because then it was
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: almost like a responsibility. How am I going to get
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: to help these guys, you know, get to the next level.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: And it was really about going out there and showing
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: them for the most part.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: But then just those little things.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Like you know, finding your own way to watch the
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: film that makes it easier for you, right, and then
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: you grow from there?
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: When did you find that transition of like when you
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: first set in the league and you get in a
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: locker with a bunch of NFL players, you're like, oh shit,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: that's the so and so. Oh that's this guy. And
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: then eventually it flips where people are and they're a
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: fan of you now yea, yeah, yeah, now you're Yeah,
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: you're young. You're the dude that people are like, yo,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: let me watch film with you? And like where where
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: do you think that switch turned for you in your
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: NFL career? Was like, Okay, I'm now the guy that's
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: supposed to be leading, not following, if following for lack
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: of a better work, because youre always gonna do you
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: when you're young, it's just like you're looking up to
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: these guys. Now guys you're looking up to you.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: It was it probably started around six years in because
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: that's when. Because so when I first came in, like
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Tim Brown, Tim Brown's in the locker room, you know
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Yeah, Napoleon Kaufman who watched in college
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: and then he was with the Raiders.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Who else do we have?
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Dude? I just saw him too. Uh, I think of
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: it a minute, but in a minute, but.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Russell Maryland, uh, Pat Swilling, it was it was crazy,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, because because when you're when
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: you're young, you don't you don't think you'll catch those
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: guys because it seems like it seems like as far away.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: And then Jerry Rice came in, like, holy sh these
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: dudes are in the same locker room, you know. And
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: so then around six years in then those guys are gone.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Tim's gone, uh, Jerry's uh, He's gone. Now, so now
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: those those older guys are kind of peeling off, and
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: so now you're starting to be one of the older guys.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: And so then it kind of becomes oh, man, you know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I used to watch you. Then as you get older,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: you get the green Bay. Oh man, yea, I used
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: to watch you. And then all of a sudden, your
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: grandpa he's like, damn.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Rookie comes in there, like ya, I used to watch
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: you in high school. Yeah, yeah, high school really have
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: been for a while.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Who are some of the best leaders you've been around?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And maybe they weren't the biggest names either, but who
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: are some of the best leaders that you've been around.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Like Tim Brown was a great leader. I thought that.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite guys who was who was with
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: the Raiders when I first got there was Eric Turner,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: you know who who passed away maybe like my maybe
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: like second second or third year and NFL Eric Allen,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: you know, tremendous guys like I feel like when I came.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: In, we had we had like real real veterans of
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the game. You know what I'm saying.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: You know guys who you know had been through a
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: lot and just you know, they they respected the game,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Yeah, I have respect for
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: the people who came before them, Like I played with
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: those kind of guys man, And so I would say,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: those are the guys who you know come off at
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: the top off the top of my mind.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: When I first got in, you had you had two boys, right,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I got too boys? Yeah?
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Two boys? How has it been with them starting to
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: play sports? And you kind of like, hey, the expectation
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: is not to win a Heisman and the Defensive Player
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: of the year, first round pick, Like how do you
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: temper those expectations when your kids are looking up to
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: you as a father? I want to be like you
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: and succeed you. Essentially.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because I have the conversation with him,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: and it's funny because there's two different responses. So, you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I can tell my my oldest you know, hey man,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: you know, look, you got all the talent in the world.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: You know, you'll be compared. We got the same name,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: you know, but you can't worry about that. You know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: you just got to go do your thing. Whatever's gonna
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: happen is gonna happen. It's like, okay, yeah, that appreciate it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I tell my youngest son, hey man, you know, you
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: don't gotta you don't got to be this or that
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: that I'm gonna be.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: In the Hall of Fame with you. So I'm like, cool,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. You gotta speak at first,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: So are you like, hey, you guys have to go
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: to Michigan.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Uh kind of unofficially Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if if they're highly recruited.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Man, well, I you know I do. I do tell
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: those guys.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Man, listen, I want you to be able to make
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: your own decision wherever you you know, when it comes
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: to that point. But there's just one place you can't go,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: you know, what I'm saying, come on.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Can't go hypothetic. Cool for whatever reason, your kids are
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: playing they're playing ball. They're getting offers, but they're like
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: small D one offers. You're getting some Max, you're getting
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: some some app state type of ones. But there was
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: one big team that comes in and happens.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: To be But here's my question, though, why would you
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: ask that question?
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ohio States are taking a shot.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, full right.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we're talking about a in I ling ground.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: But hey, in I l full right, nobody else is calling.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Might have to think about it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: That would be so tough.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Walk in the stadium is so tough for.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Him wearing red.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna watch from the blimp.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to watch from home.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: That's funny. Ask a good question. That'd be hard. Were
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: you in Green Bay with Favan Rogers?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I first got there. FARV was there?
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: What was that drama? Like, you know, everybody got to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: see you know, far retires, he comes back. You know
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: they never you know, they wouldn't see eyed eye. There's
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: obviously been a lot of public conversation and and like
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: transparency or subjective opinion around it. Like what was it
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: like or like being kind of like in that drama
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: or around it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Well, I think for I think the guys on the
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: defensive side, we didn't really pay attention to it because
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: it's more, you know, he's in the you know, Bretton
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: and a Ride, They're in the meetings together all the time.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: They're always on the offensive side. So we really didn't
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: we really didn't get into that portion of it. The
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: most interaction, like for myself with a Ride is a
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Ride was on the practice squad, and so he would
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: always go against our defense. So that was really all
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I really paid attention to. Was that part of it. Now,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: I remember that, you know that Wash talks of you know,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Brett saying he doesn't really need to help, you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: the guy that they just drafted basically to replace him.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: But I never really laid eyes on like visible tension
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: between them because I wasn't paying attention to.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: It, you know what I mean.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it wasn't It wasn't anything that I really
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: could comment on because I was I wasn't in the
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: middle of I didn't care, to.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Be honest, that's fair.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to I'm trying to win the
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: super Bowl, and and usually it's a coach.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, we got a pretty good one over
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: here in twelve and you're just thinking like, yeah, he
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: does a good job practical, but we should be there
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: picking this ball off right now.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: And and we knew it, man, we knew it right away.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Like when when Brett was kind of enter out, you know,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: coming back or not coming back, and we would play
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: we would play, you know, against a Rod uh in
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: those practices, and it was like, oh, yeah, when when
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Brett Lee's we're gonna we're gonna be We're gonna be.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Spoiled quarterback Francis.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Rogers found found another one that looks.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, as you transitioned out of football, like how
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: difficult was it for you to like did you feel
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: completely fulfilled throughout your NFL career or was there a
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: point when you first left where you're like you're lacking
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: fulfillment the competitive nature that first ball, not playing ball,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Like how did you handle that?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: No? Uh, well, two great things.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: One, I won a super Bowl, So I think had
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: I retired and not won a super Bowl, then I
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: would always think about, man, what if what if you
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: would could have should?
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: Right? Now that hurts sitting on this side of the couch.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Yah changed championship. Yeah so now, yeah, So I got that.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: When I retired, you know, I didn't I really didn't
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: know what what I was gonna do after I retired.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: But what happened was, you know, you get these these
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: uh these articles that they they write up about current
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: players who are retiring who may be good on television.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: And so after I retired, I went right into television
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: right I started working for ESPN. So I really didn't
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: have time to really like be retired and be scared
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: about that whole transition because I really went right into something.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: So I would say I'm very fortunate that that happened
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: because I didn't have to sit around like looking back
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: at oh man, I don't have anything to do. You know,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: football is gone, you know, So I was I was
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: blessed to have that happen. And then third, I would say,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I played eighteen years, and so you know, you know
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Yeah, I played eighteen years, and so
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like the the thing for me that I
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: always think about is that I remember the morning when
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: I knew I was done playing, and it was against Detroit.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: We're in Detroit, and remember.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Looking out the window was snowing and Detroit in the dome,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: so it don't it don't matter. But I remember looking
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: out and saying, man, if they canceled the game to day,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I would be okay. And as soon as I said
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: that to myself, I was like, it's over.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: That morning that day, I mentally I retired. So I
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: always say that I actually had that was like the
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: tenth game of the season. I actually had six more
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: games where I was able to play after I retired,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: So I fulfilled myself as a player, and then I
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: got to come out of retirement and play again for
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: six more games. So, dude, I my journey has been.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't trade it. You know what I'm saying. I
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: wouldn't trade it.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: So, and when you were talking about, hey, I'm gonna rap,
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be done my career, what year was that?
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: Fifteen twenty fifteen, So that's I mean, imagine walk away
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: from the game when you were with the Packers.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm good. That would have been Yeah, eight years.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: I would have played eight years and I wouldn't be
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: on busting with the boys. Yeah, bro, yeah, hey, hey,
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: you guys will be you'd be like, remember that one
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: guy he went in the Heis Minute.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Remember what was his name?
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah yeah Bro.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: What got you transitioned into being an entrepreneur with the
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: wine and the whiskey?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I got into the wine early.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: When I was with the Raiders, our training camp was
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: in Naple Valley, and so you know, each year training camp,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I was out in about you know, great restaurants all
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: over the valley and everyone was drinking wine like all
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: the time, like morning, noon, and night, always drinking wine.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: So I just got really interested in it and created
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: my first label in two thousand and five, and then
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: around two thousand and seventeen eighteen, Intercept was born. So
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: that so first, so I was coming out of Naple
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Valley now it's in Passo Rubbles. And then, uh, I
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: kind of always wanted the spirit to be a part
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: of you know, just my experience, and so a few
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: years back I met my partner of mine now and
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: uh we started sourcing whiskey out of Kentucky and uh
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: that's where Woodson Whiskey was born. So, man, if I
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: don't go to if I don't go to the Raiders.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: I'm probably not into wine and probably not into whiskey.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: So it's one of those things where there was an opportunity.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know why I saw it, but I saw
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: it and then Bam, here we go.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: We'll meant to ask him.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, oh man, he can he We got you
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: got any cups?
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: We got something you got that you gotta have some.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: You gotta talk about your relationship with the with the
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Mark Davis.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great relationship with Mark. Man.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Are you Raiders over Michigan?
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm a Raider fan, man, I'm not Raiders over.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: I can't do Raiders over Michigan, right right, you know, I.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Mean you're like one of us. You're like, you're obviously
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: an ambassador, but yeah, you're always in You're always in
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: the mix.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: With the with the Silver, always in the mix man.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: And uh, you know, it's just all about you know,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: respect thing. You know, Mark respected the way that I
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: played the game. I think you appreciate it. You know
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: when I came back the second time around and you know,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: he had taken over and just you know, playing on
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: some teams that we didn't have a lot, but just
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: watching myself go out there every week, you know, sometimes
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: banged up fingers, messed up ribs and all that. He's like, man,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: you showed the guys what it was like, you know,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: to be a Raider. So yeah, that's awesome. Raiders do
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: a fantastic jime.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Mean, I only played a total of like maybe ten
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: twelve games for the break.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I do have a break. I got a break.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: But going off that, I feel like the Raiders do
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: such a fantastic job of like taking care.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Of bringing back to guys once the raider always a
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: rady Yeah you hear it. Yeah, you would have been
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: a great raider man.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there there is some, there are some,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: there's some.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Absolutely this is my commemorative battle. So this is only
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: uh this this is only sold in the BATA. This
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: one right here, only sold in the BATA. So this
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: is a two year straight whiskey coming straight out of uh,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: straight out of Kentucky.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Give it something, give it.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: As I pour the glass and I swrolled along, I can.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: I love the texture holding to the side of the
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: glass and slowly dripping back down. It's a really good whiskey.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: As you sip it, I like to put all around
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: the mouth. No, pause and take it. Because what I
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: do you like to do when I find the whiskey,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: which is different is seeing how much it's gonna.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Stings as it goes down. Yeah, yeah, pause.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: It's got a nice uh sweetness to it sure as
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: it goes down my throat. No, pause is not harsh.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: It's not something that I'm gonna go and take down
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: and be like, oh that's a little tough. Maybe should
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: put something in there to take away that bite sits
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: on the tummy just right.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, you kind.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Of feel like, oh, I have a warm and sensation
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: if it's a cool day outside, I put that in there.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: I know internally I'm getting the heat I need. Overall,
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: four point five.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Four point five five, I think I can hope. Would
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: you like me to go?
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: How did you feel about that?
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I'm close with what you're saying. I feel like I
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: taste and feel a lot of the things that you're
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: talking about. I think it's got a nice sweet heat
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: up front, like not too much of that peppery up front.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: You're kind of thinking to yourself like is it gonna
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: sting as it goes down your throat? It does nestle
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: down your throat, very smoothly, and now that I'm in
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: my third or fourth sip, it's got a nice warm,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: not like a harsh we're kind of messes up your
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: chance just sitting on your stomach.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: It's very comfortable on an empty stomach. I don't know
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: if you've yeah, yeah, I know what you're just saying.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And overall, I would give it a four point five.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to take that as a nine
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: out of ten.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: So our dumb shick is it's not about it's always
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: going to be four point five, because that thing's ever perfect.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: But it's the description in what you hear that you
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: can establish, is that four point five out of five?
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Is it that a twenty? So that's for the viewer
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: to decide.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, Like even a harsh of bad whiskey,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: it's still good at four point five. But you would
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: explain it in a way of like, and that's not
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: my favorite.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: I would say five are watering, not a lot of
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: tastes in that, but it's a good whiskey.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that. I like that.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Let's a good way to put that, though. I like
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: the whole I like the whole four out of five portion.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Of it.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: You don't know if it's four point five out of
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty to twenty, but it's four point five.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: But I love your description, and so I had to
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: come out here to get this matter of fact not
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: too long ago. And the first thing I thought was
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: there wasn't there's a sweetness in but I couldn't put
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: my finger on it, like like what I what?
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I what?
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: I what sweetness it was? So later on I'll drink
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: it again. Now I'll have something for you.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: Because it does. My first thought is caramel, Like there's
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: a caramel.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Well, you usually you get a little in your your bourbons,
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: you know, get a little bit of that caramel, a
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: little bit of that vanilla. But but there's there's there's
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: something else, and I just can't because.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: There's a sting. It'll sting your lips.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: And you never get to get the flavor.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: So I needed to have and I always want to
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: have something that, man, you can you can enjoy. Uh.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: You know a lot of people want uh. You know,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: barrel strength whiskey, you know, which is great. You got
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: to put your cube in it. That's cool, and we'll
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: do some things like that as well. But your your
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: every day whiskey. What I want you to enjoy on
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: game day, I want you to be able to enjoy it.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: I just you know, put the cube or I don't
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: need you to do all that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Do you like? Are you more of a fan of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: your whiskey or the one? No?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I mean that both my kids I know you love.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: But what wins more? What wins more?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: Right now? Who's your favorite child at this moment?
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: You're not.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: You're gonna say, I love them both the same, but
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: you're going to think of one name first. Yeah, I'll
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: tell you right.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I don't do that.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I don't do the I love I love both my
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: babies the same.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Boys more than others at certain times.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Well, what I would say, though, what I would say
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: with the with the whiskey, is that it's more interactive.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: That makes sense because there's a lot of things you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: can do with it, you know. So if I was
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: going to have a party or get together or something,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: and we wanted to make a bunch of different things
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: out of that whiskey, old man, we got, we got.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: We got a whole range of things that we can do.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: We can express on our teams. Manhattan's old fashioned paper
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: planes we can do all these different things. We could
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: make something with the wine as well.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: We do.
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  Speaker 3: We do a little it's called a one of the
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  Speaker 3: restaurants I go that have both of my products, it's
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  Speaker 3: called the Intercept Sour So it has their housemade sour mix,
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  Speaker 3: my red blend which is not there, and my whiskey,
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  Speaker 3: and they mixed it in this nice little.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what I'm saying, do you
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  Speaker 1: have a cigar?
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  Speaker 2: Notyt?
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I feel like you got the whiskey,
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  Speaker 1: like I feel like you got you got the nice
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  Speaker 1: the age beard. That's really well done. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: you're a cigar guy. Did you like that when the
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  Speaker 1: Raiders will pull that out after the victory?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Talk about talk about Ap getting the getting the head
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  Speaker 1: coaching job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Mark had to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Man had to do it.
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  Speaker 3: It was a ground swell of support for for Ap
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  Speaker 3: and just the way he came in Man and and
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  Speaker 3: the way that the team just really responded to him.
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  Speaker 2: I thought they had to do it. So I'm excited
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  Speaker 2: for him.
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  Speaker 3: And I was able to go and talk to him
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  Speaker 3: before they went and played Indianapolis, and I told the
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  Speaker 3: guys I said, hey, man, I can't wait until I
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  Speaker 3: get the chance to come in the locker room and
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  Speaker 3: hang out at Club Braider with you guys. And so
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  Speaker 3: last game of the season against Denver, I got a
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  Speaker 3: chance to get in the Club Braider. After the game,
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  Speaker 3: Max crowsby running around, Yeah, hands me the cigar.
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  Speaker 2: And that was a moment, man, that was a real moment.
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  Speaker 2: And so I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I think Ap is gonna, he's gonna, you know, do
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  Speaker 3: a great job. I think he's gonna, you know, hopefully.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's a great talent evaluator along with the
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  Speaker 3: new GM man and they get guys in here that
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  Speaker 3: love the game of football and who want to be Raiders,
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  Speaker 3: and so if he can accomplish that, yeah, we'll be right.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right.
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  Speaker 4: And we appreciate you coming on.
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  Speaker 2: This has been incredible. Man.
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  Speaker 4: There was one quick story I do want to tell.
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  Speaker 4: It was after my rookie year and I was in town.
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  Speaker 4: We were doing a charity event. I believe it was
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  Speaker 4: Yours and Hushingson's Sturity event, and I went to my
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  Speaker 4: old house because obviously a couple of guys were there
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  Speaker 4: that I used to live at. I was damn near
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  Speaker 4: blackout drunk, and I was on some extracurriculars as well.
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  Speaker 2: You come along way from that baby swimming pool, no question, A.
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  Speaker 4: Car, dude, A car pulls up and Charles Woodson walks.
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  Speaker 2: A little you know, the little pools that you fill
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  Speaker 2: up for like two year olds.
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  Speaker 4: Ye, this guy sitting in it, and we're you know,
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  Speaker 4: the you've seen the house I lived on. It was
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  Speaker 4: like right on that main street called State.
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  Speaker 3: Street, not far from not far from got.
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  Speaker 4: Drunk, now far from Templar. He pulls up because I'm
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  Speaker 4: supposed to be that charity event and I ended up
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  Speaker 4: going blackout. It was a terrible experience for everybody else
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  Speaker 4: but me. But he pulls up and all my boys
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  Speaker 4: are there, and you came up at me up. We
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  Speaker 4: talked for a second and I got back in that tub.
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  Speaker 4: After you left. I felt like the fucking man. I
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  Speaker 4: was like, you know, he just pulled up just to
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  Speaker 4: say what's up.
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  Speaker 3: And left, right right right, randomly riding down the street. Taylor,
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  Speaker 3: why in a baby swimming pool? It was, I gotta
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  Speaker 3: see what's going on over it was.
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  Speaker 4: That was an interesting time of my life. Will Will
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  Speaker 4: has heard some stories about me and Michigan and the couple.
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  Speaker 3: First different all of you offensive linemen. Man, you guys
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  Speaker 3: are crazy. Nuts, you guys are crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely calmed down quite a bit, thank god,
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  Speaker 4: because I would have right now, i'de.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I tell people before you in is
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  Speaker 3: you You. You're a different person now, you do things differently.
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  Speaker 3: And so we all came into the NFL, you played
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  Speaker 3: you know how many other years and you do a
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  Speaker 3: lot of dumb ship and so what I tell young
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  Speaker 3: guys is like, I hope you make it to the
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  Speaker 3: other side. You know what I'm saying, Because a lot
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: of people in those first couple of years they get
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: into some ship they never recover. But if you can
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  Speaker 3: play long enough, man, and kind of just keep yourself
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  Speaker 3: somewhat clean and and keep yourself fitting ready to play,
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  Speaker 3: and you can get to the other side. Man, it's
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  Speaker 3: so much, so much better, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: But you but you don't know unless you get over it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy you made it to the other side.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate that, man. Yeah, it's a it's a cool transition.
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  Speaker 4: It would be an incredible regret to not make that
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  Speaker 4: transition and then be sitting you know, out of the
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  Speaker 4: league and knowing like, man, what could I have actually
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  Speaker 4: done if I wouldn't have just got out of my
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  Speaker 4: own way, and so it was it's really cool, but
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  Speaker 4: that moment was awesome. Man, that was a very cool moment.
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