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Drummer from HummusVacuum answers, “Do Transformers Have Sex?” · Rock For Initiative

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  Hey everybody, welcome. It is Phil from Rock 4
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  Initiative podcast today. I'm really excited to have
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  Christian from Hummus Vacuum on the podcast.
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  Also the Tory drummer for Justice Sales.
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  Like half the time we talk about Hell Divers 2, we get deep into
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  Spider Man and Transformers. Christian has a little show and
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  tell with some of the action figures that they've got lying
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  around. Check out Hummus Vacuum.
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  They are on tour this week, 911 in Omaha, 913 in Minneapolis.
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  I'm 14 in Milwaukee and 9:15 in Indianapolis.
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  And then they go out on tour again in November with thoughts
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  on bowling. Finally making it out to the
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  East Coast, including Charlotte, which I am not excited to drive
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  to but excited to go to. Check out their album.
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  It was released in May. It's called Art of Fake Laugh.
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  Amazing. I love hummus vacuum.
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  Christian's an amazing drummer. The album itself, Art of the
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  Fake Laughs. I would say if if not my album
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  of the year, I would say it's definitely like top three for
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  me. So make sure you check that out.
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  podcast. Make sure you check out Hummus
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  Vacuum if you are in Omaha, Minneapolis, Minneapolis.
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  What the? If you're in Omaha, Minneapolis,
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  Milwaukee or Indianapolis, make sure you go see Hummus Vacuum on
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  tour with homestyle dinner rolls this week.
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  And yeah, enjoy the interview. All right, I am here with
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  Christian of hummus vacuum and also sometimes of adjust the
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  sales on occasion. How are you doing?
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  Good. How about you?
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  I am doing great. I'm a little, you know, I'm, I'm
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  pretty sure I'd say this every time.
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  I'm always tired because I'm always just coming off of
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  working at my job that pays me money so that I can do my job
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  that I have a lot of fun in. Oh yeah, you are Well.
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  I'm super excited to talk to you.
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  Let's dive straight in to Hell Divers.
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  So I've played a little bit. I played a little bit of Hell
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  Divers too, when it first came out, when it was like the
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  phenomenon that everybody wanted to play.
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  Tell me how you got into Hell, Divers.
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  So I when the game came out, I like watched all the tik toks,
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  like all the cliffs that were trending and it was it was like
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  all over my feed and then I just didn't buy it for some reason
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  for like a few months after that.
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  But my younger brother and some of his friends were playing it
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  and he urged me to buy it and I just like it.
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  Just like like just pulled me in like immediately.
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  Like so then I felt like I was like, oh, I'm so late because it
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  was a PlayStation exclusive for a while too.
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  So I could have been like, like right on the jump.
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  But like as soon as I like I played my first couple of games
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  that it's just so like dynamic and immersive.
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  Just there's not really another shooter or even another game
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  that I feel like is like that is like hell divers.
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  Yeah, what? What do you feel like sets it
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  apart? I feel like 1 the community so
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  the game it is like a live service game but how what the
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  players do influences like the story of the game.
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  So like technically everything you do in a match is like Canon
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  to the universe of hell divers into the game and every time you
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  die, that is like an individual hell diver.
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  So an individual soldier. And I think both with like the
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  diversity of the enemy, both the the three different enemy groups
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  and then the different enemy types and and things like that
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  in between each one. Would you end up with I feel
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  like like over 50 different single enemies in the game.
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  It just I like I've, I looked at my PlayStation the other day and
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  I'm, I'm creeping on 600 hours in this game and I'm just, I
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  can't imagine being bored yet. It's just every planet is
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  different. All the locales are different.
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  There's a million different combinations of like gear and
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  weapons and stratagems that you could bring.
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  And it's just, it's fun. The community really
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  participates in the role play too on like a really high level,
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  like you, you kind of, it's not just like hall of duty where
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  you're getting on after work. It is a bit that I call myself
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  like a hell diver. Like, you know, like like like
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  it's, it's like, it's part of the role play And it is really
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  fun too. Like, like, you know, you have
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  like a dramatic last stand against like a giant group of
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  enemies that you know you're going to die and you're like for
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  democracy. And it's like, it's like, it's,
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  it's, it's just really fun. Like like the participating in
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  the community, like everyone I've met to this game is really
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  nice. Like you, whether it's like
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  randoms who happen to have microphones or people online who
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  play the game and everyone's just really like, like I'll
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  like, I'll tell you one thing. One of my first games when I was
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  playing by myself, I joined a group of randoms and after a
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  particularly difficult fight against a group of enemies, a
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  player from the group that I had joined literally pulled me to
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  the side behind cover, called a resupply stratagem.
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  And there's emos in the game and there's a hug Emo.
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  So he called the resupply and gave me a hug.
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  Like, it's going to be OK. Like, it's, it's just, I don't
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  know, it's really fun. Like, it's, it's just it's like
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  you do feel like you're participating, Like, like, like
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  you're part of it. You know what I mean?
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  Yeah. Which I think is really cool.
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  That's what keeps me like pulled in.
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  Like even though you're playing against the computer and
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  against, you're not playing against other people.
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  Like the team play is really important too.
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  Like it's just, it's, it's different.
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  I don't know, like just everything new that they add I'm
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  I just look forward to it. So what are the three factions
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  you're fighting against? I know one.
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  I know one is robots of some sort.
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  So also to start with. So Hell, Divers 2 is the second
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  great galactic war like in the Canon of the game.
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  And so this to start with what you brought up the the bots are
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  we call the automatons, and they are a creation of the cyborgs,
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  which were an enemy class from the first game and then
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  eventually got brought into this game when we a few months ago.
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  And I I say we because it feels like, and I'm not even doing
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  that to be funny. And it really is like it.
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  It's like a wee thing, but. You're doing your part.
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  This is so the salute. That's, that's the, the salute.
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  I did it. I, I did the solidarity fest for
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  a second. But like the bots, we invaded
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  the home planet of the cyborgs in February, which was like a
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  two week long campaign. I think I played for like 2
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  hours every night but so the bots are honestly probably the
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  most difficult enemy class just cause each kill is like a lot
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  harder to get. Like if you get 200 if you kill
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  200 bots in a match it feels like 400 because they are both
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  shooting. If they see you, they are
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  shooting at you all the time, like and on the higher level
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  difficulties because it's ranked one through 10 in terms of match
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  difficulty. If they see you, they're calling
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  reinforcements immediately before you could even like kill
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  them to prevent that. But so the bots are really cool.
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  There's a lot of it feels a lot more like war there because both
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  they're shooting at you, they're you're blowing up and getting
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  rag dolled all the time. The maps are a lot darker and
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  honestly it is a lot more focused.
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  Like I can play some of the other enemy classes more like on
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  autopilot. But if you play autopilot on
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  bots, it's like they will, they are very difficult.
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  Like the cyborgs will run you down, kick you down and then
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  shoot you once a day. It's like knocked you down like
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  it's it is really like it is difficult like and then after
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  the bots, you have the bugs, which is called the terminates,
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  which are like the first enemy class.
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  That's what you train on in the like in the tutorial.
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  And that's what most people that's kind of like the the most
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  common. Most people only really know
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  about the bugs. Like especially before I would I
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  played the game. That was all I kind of really
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  knew about was fighting bugs and bugs is really fun.
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  It's more like it's just giant swarms of alien bugs that are
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  the size. It's like they're the size of
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  like rhinos and like giant. They're terrible.
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  It is scary. Like we, we joke all the time
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  like some of my friends who play like if we actually had to do it
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  like and it's like you know you're going to die.
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  The average life expectancy of a hell diver is 2 minutes like in
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  the lore. Like once you are, once you drop
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  onto the battlefield, you have two minutes before you probably
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  get killed and being torn apart by a, a giant alien bug the size
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  of like a lion, but it's like a giant praying mantis.
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  Like it's, it's, it's scary. Like I was playing recently, it
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  was a jungle planet so like very thick trees, very dark, very
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  difficult movement and I was alone.
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  I was separated from the rest of my team.
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  I was playing with randoms and you just hear they make noises
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  like the bugs, like animals. And there's one that's called a
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  stalker. That is my low key, my least
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  favorite enemy in the game. They have the ability to
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  disappear. They will track you for hundreds
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  of meters and then they will blind side you and they are very
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  difficult to kill. But I was walking alone, just me
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  and my mini gun in the forest feeling like Predator like the
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  movie like literally like and I just hear just clicking.
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  It sounds like a rattlesnake like and it's like you hear it
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  coming from behind you. And I turned around and he was
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  right on me. Like he literally like knocked
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  me over. The ragdoll physics in the game
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  are really intense that you can get thrown 1020 feet by an
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  explosion or there's an enemy that's called a charger that is
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  basically a rhinoceros beetle the size of an elephant and they
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  charge you, you, they literally go oh then they will run, run
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  from like 100 meters away and just smoke you, like fully knock
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  you to the ground, like crush you against the wall.
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  The bugs are really fun. A lot of times they really just
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  overwhelm you with numbers or one of the more like nasty
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  specific enemy types will will manage to get you.
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  And then third, of course, I I keep going on longer, longer
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  tangents, but the the third is the illuminant, which is just
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  one of the most diverse of the three enemy factions.
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  The they're a race of aliens that originally were not of
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  warfaring species. They were originally peaceful,
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  but the government of Super Earth, you know, similarly to,
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  you know, many governments and countries that have existed in
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  our time, Super Earth discovered that they have technology and
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  resources that both they wanted to take and also scared them.
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  So they claimed that they had weapons of mass destruction and
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  where where does this provide us of?
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  And it like declared war on the illuminant.
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  And but they are a race of aliens that also have the
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  ability to turn regular humans into basically like zombies.
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  And so you're fighting both big aliens, but also hordes of like
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  zombies at the same time. So it forces you to really be
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  like, if, if 10 enemies are chasing me, which one's going to
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  kill me in the next 30 seconds, which one's going to eventually
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  kill me in the next two minutes, and which one's going to call
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  more that are going to actually kill me like.
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  You have to prioritize which one you want to take down.
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  All the while actually, and the game is not just killing too
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  it's it's like you have to execute mission objectives,
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  collect samples, reinforce teammates.
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  Some of my favorite missions are where you have to facilitate the
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  evacuation of civilians from like an area.
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  So that's and like the computer civilians that like you have to
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  save a certain amount of them. So you basically have to hold an
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  area for a certain amount of time and they'll the like the
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  voice lines, they'll really say like, thank you, hell diver as
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  you're like like dying to. And you know, it's funny because
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  in the game they're probably all like rich people too, that we're
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  like dying to save and we're fight, fighting and dying to
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  save. Like they're not just regular
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  civilians either, like Jeff Bezos and shit like that.
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  Like. Are you are hell divers clones?
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  Is that a part of the story or is it?
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  Just kind of like, OK, the hell part of the war machine in the
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  military of the of super. So the Super earth armed forces,
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  the hell divers are like the highest, like the special
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  forces, basically like the the most elite.
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  There are like regular sea soldiers in the game.
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  They just recently added that will like come and reinforce you
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  and assist you and stuff like that.
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  But you're basically like the elite, like the the Navy seals
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  of the of the Super earth armed forces, like you are the the
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  upper, the most elite soldiers. But you just said this, you're
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  frozen. You're frozen in cryosleep in
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  your hell pod. And each player has a super
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  destroyer, which also sends down like your support weapons, your
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  stratagems, your and all that stuff.
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  So each player has their own super destroyer and then each
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  hell diver, every time you die, a new one is sat down.
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  So a new person is basically awoken from cryosleep.
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  So you're trained as a hell diver, put in uniform, and then
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  they put you to sleep and you wake up on the battlefield.
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  And then like there are times where I wake up, there's like an
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  enemy that is already coming that I don't see, and then you
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  die immediately. And like that was my whole life.
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  Like that was my life right there.
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  But there's other times where you survived.
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  The whole mission is 1 hell diver.
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  Like there's a joke that they don't have, they don't have like
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  Ava or health insurance for health divers because you don't
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  live long enough to why would you need it?
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  Like, yeah, literally. Like it's a really fun game.
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  Like it's just, it's just so different every time.
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  Like it's, it's very, it's just the immersion and the the
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  community and it's just, it's very different.
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  I was kind of late into shooters and like having my own console
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  as a kid. So I wasn't like a Hulk, Call of
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  Duty all night, like type of of gamer.
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  So I feel like with shooters and stuff like that, it does take
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  something different to like kind of pull me in and stuff like
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  that. And I was immediately just like
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  hooked, like just from the get go.
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  Like I've been trying to play this for almost a year now.
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  Like I think I downloaded it about a year ago.
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  Like I enjoyed it. 600 hours in a year is pretty impressive.
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  God, I'm a loser dad, guys. I have a job too, OK?
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  When I'm not on tour, I have a job.
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  You're not a job. You're on tour with two
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  different bands for long periods of time.
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  That's it's impressive and you're and you're putting out
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  drum content all the time. I.
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  Work like 4 double s every week when I'm off tour and I have
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  three days off. So that's what it helps cram
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  some of the drum stuff in that if I try to stay busy, you know,
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  the voice is like, you know what I'm saying?
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  Like you got to stay busy man. Like it's cool, like if I have
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  too much downtime, I don't need to doom scroll all day.
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  Like, you know, I already probably do too much of that.
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  Like when I'm gone on the road, though, I miss I missed like on
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  this last tour in July when I was gone for like a month.
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  I was I was missing hell divers mail.
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  Like I don't have like AI need to get like a steam deck or
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  something like that so I can play more on the road.
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  I saw we aren't we amphibians last weekend.
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  They were. That's so good.
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  And I knew from their their discord and also from talking to
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  Orpen from Harrison Gordon that Josh is a Final Fantasy player
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  and I had shared my Final Fantasy 14 days played with with
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  him, which is a lot. It's like 300 days over many
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  years. And the first thing he said to
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  me when I saw him in whatever city, Carrboro that that they
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  stopped in, he's just like, I miss Final Fantasy.
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  He's like, I miss it. That's like, it's one of the
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  hard things about Tor too. Like not not even just in the
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  like a funny context too. It's like especially like now
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  this last year, like going on longer tours for like where
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  you're gone for once you hit the three-week mark.
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  I started missing my room so bad just in this.
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  I love and everyone. It's weird dealing with this
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  too, whereas but it's like I love everyone I'm in a band with
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  and like that we get on tour with, but by week 3 it's like if
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  I don't have two hours alone, I'm going to kill one of you.
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  Like, you know what I'm saying? Like.
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  There's a lot of togetherness. So, and it's it's like why a lot
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  of people get like the steam Decks or Switch, you can have
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  just kind of like that, that feeling of like in the
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  everyone's in the green room on their phones, the whole like the
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  green rooms. And I know it's already been
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  debunked, but it's not, it's not a party back there.
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  It's a bunch of nerds. It's a bunch of sweaty dudes
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  pretending they're home and they're in their room by
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  themselves because they're tired.
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  They're like, like, I just got out of a car for six hours and
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  it's like. Shame hosted videos of of like
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  the hotel rooms you guys were staying in.
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  So funny. God.
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  And it's well, sometimes it's really fun too, like when
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  everyone has energy, like we still we still joke around and
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  shit, but there are there was nights, especially when I was
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  doing when I was playing with both the bands on the tour.
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  Uh huh. The, the video of me asleep with
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  my phone in my hand like this is real and was not staged.
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  Like I literally fell asleep like that.
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  Like there's some nights where we get in even if it's not super
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  late, like we roll in and it's just everybody's out straight to
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  bed, no talking. It's just like it's, it's hard.
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  It's it's like I work 11-10 hour days at my real job and that is
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  very hard. But like, there are days on tour
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  where like you have to remind yourself, like, this is what I,
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  I've chased my whole life doing and like, this is my favorite
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  thing in the world. But if you, like lie to yourself
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  and say that there's no parts of it that are bad or that you
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  dislike, that's why you build up that like the, the, you know,
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  you stuff it all down and then eventually you just sort of
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  like, I can't go on tour anymore.
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  But like, I do miss it. Like like that like just my
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  video games, all my my action figures as you can see behind me
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  and like my drum kit to like by the end of a tour just.
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  Like your bed, I'm sure. Like your personal space God.
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  It's like we get, you know, it's obviously it's also like the
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  most fun I've ever had in my life at the same time.
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  So I don't really sound like I'm play.
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  It is the most incredible, like especially since joining hummus
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  vacuum and adjust the sales like it is like really like just the
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  most incredible thing I've gotten to experience.
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  But there's also times where it's like you have a 5 hour
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  drive and you left 35 minutes after you should have and like
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  every like everyone has to pee. Like you got to stop multiple
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  times And so you're just like your eyes start switching.
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  It's just like like. I am curious and this is we're
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  like way off and we never talk music on this podcast.
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  No, I was. Going to say I'm talking
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  business. That's the sin on this podcast.
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  I I can't do that. No, it's, it's fun.
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  I like it. I am curious.
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  Like I I've never met Cappy but I can't imagine that.
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  Like I feel like Cappy and Shane are just polar opposites as
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  human beings and I don't know if that's true.
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  So there's like, so Shane's like.
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  It's funny because they're both around the same age.
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  Shane carries himself sometimes like more of like a grumpy old
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  man and Kathy's like no, they're both ball Busters though, so
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  there's the overlap of that. They're both just very funny
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  people. So like they both like when they
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  start just being fake me to each other and shit like it's real.
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  Like the the shared adjust, the sales hummus vacuum motel room
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  vibes were very fun. Like it was.
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  It's shame. I I call him dad as a joke.
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  Like he's like, like everyone is like Uncle Shane or whatever,
• 22:26
  like. Your your counterpart Seth also
• 22:30
  lives in North Carolina and is in Blink State.
• 22:32
  I love Seth. Love you Seth.
• 22:35
  I asked, I asked them the same question and they said the same
• 22:38
  thing about about Shane. Just they were like, yeah, just
• 22:44
  instantly after meeting them, I was like, OK, grandpa or
• 22:48
  whatever or something like that. It's so funny, like like he's
• 22:51
  not that old like like everyone treats on tour.
• 22:54
  We all treat him and he is like the AC usually like he's doing
• 22:57
  the headliner and like, you know, he is like my boss or
• 23:00
  whatever. Like, but it's like now it's
• 23:03
  like everyone treats him like an old band, but it's like he's not
• 23:05
  that old like, you know, like. He's so great.
• 23:08
  I, I have, I thought only had a few conversations with him, but
• 23:12
  I, I absolutely, I'm gonna get him on eventually to talk
• 23:16
  Destiny 2 or whatever. Nerdy.
• 23:18
  Thing he's into. Yeah.
• 23:20
  Yeah, it'll probably be a lot of that.
• 23:21
  He bought one of those phone holder controllers on tour
• 23:24
  literally just to play Destiny 2 mobile.
• 23:26
  He was like that and then he was in the venue was like Berkeley.
• 23:29
  I needed to drive and then he was just in the middle in the
• 23:32
  bed. See like playing the game for
• 23:33
  like hours, like we're all everyone's.
• 23:38
  It's fun on tour. Everyone's got their own like
• 23:40
  dirty shit that they're into. And I like will pull up Apple
• 23:45
  maps of the venue and then zoom in and out and see if there's
• 23:48
  any cool shit. And like, if there's a comic
• 23:51
  book store and walking distance or like a, a toy store or a card
• 23:55
  shop, I'm like, we're going, I'm like, like, like, but on the
• 24:01
  itinerary. And it's fun too, like seeing
• 24:03
  everybody else's like interests and like, you know, finding the
• 24:06
  little like, like small businesses and like card shops
• 24:10
  and nerd stores that you would never go to otherwise like.
• 24:13
  Right, I feel like I'm like great idea for a business open a
• 24:18
  card shop slash venue. Arcane Workshop.
• 24:24
  Yeah, yeah, that place. Is dope.
• 24:27
  So, so cool. All right, we're talking comics
• 24:30
  a little bit. I'm gonna use that as a Segway.
• 24:33
  I'm gonna use that as a Segway to get into Spider Man 'cause
• 24:35
  that was another topic that you that use.
• 24:42
  So it's like a it's such a huge topic.
• 24:45
  I have like a bunch of stuff. Oh, is that, is that Venom
• 24:48
  Spider Man? The Venom.
• 24:51
  Shaded. Yeah, the black suit, Venom
• 24:53
  suit, but it's a shell. Shaded like a comic and then we
• 24:58
  also have battle damage spider man.
• 25:03
  There's a couple that was literally I saw those two on my
• 25:05
  desk and I was like they're going to make a cameo.
• 25:07
  I I'm sure I spider. They've made like 100 something
• 25:11
  spider man action figures. So I'm sure that I have not that
• 25:14
  many, but I have a couple like you know, behind me and shit
• 25:17
  like that. So please continue.
• 25:19
  I'm sorry. What was your Spider Man entry
• 25:21
  point? Like a movie, cartoon, comic
• 25:24
  books. I, so I was born in 2001, so it
• 25:28
  was Toby, just like, it's like just those movies, the Tobey
• 25:33
  Magar movies. And of course Spider Man was
• 25:35
  very like prevalent. Obviously it's always been
• 25:38
  culturally relevant, but like when I was a kid or especially
• 25:41
  in the early 2000s, Spider Man was just everywhere.
• 25:45
  And I've always loved like comics and things like that.
• 25:48
  And I think it was definitely the Tobey movies.
• 25:50
  Once we had those on DVD and I I wore those DVDs to like atoms
• 25:56
  basically just like I'm I'm a spider man 3 defender.
• 26:00
  Everybody hates on that movie. It's really campy.
• 26:03
  If you don't get it like that's a you problem.
• 26:05
  I'm sorry. Like if you, if you hate on
• 26:08
  spider man 3 but you love amazing spider man 2, don't talk
• 26:11
  to me bro. Like, sorry, like.
• 26:15
  I mean, there is the emo connection right?
• 26:17
  Emo spider man. So many good salt.
• 26:19
  Yeah, yes, that both both emo Peter Parker and there is
• 26:25
  multiple like really good songs in the in the soundtracks for
• 26:30
  those movies. It's like Dashboard Confessional
• 26:33
  and the like. Chad Kroeger.
• 26:36
  I always forget how like formative those movies are for
• 26:40
  me. Like.
• 26:42
  That's my spider man such. Great, such great movies.
• 26:46
  I saw Prince Daddy a few months ago and they had Spider Man 2
• 26:51
  playing on it like a combo. TVVHS, right?
• 26:55
  Yeah, yeah. Did you see the did you see the
• 26:59
  most recent one? Did you see Brandon Spider man?
• 27:03
  I did, yeah. Did you see Brandon?
• 27:04
  I was really nervous because like, it's like, where do we go
• 27:06
  after No Way Home, Right? Like it's because that movie it
• 27:10
  was like both with like the the forgetting spell at the end and
• 27:13
  just like it's like you keep raising the stakes of like and
• 27:18
  like now it's the three spider man.
• 27:21
  And it's like where I really was like we got to get back to a
• 27:24
  good baseline and the whole movie, I'm not going to lie, I
• 27:28
  was choosing the whole movie. Like it just it really felt like
• 27:32
  like spider man. Like I really like the the first
• 27:35
  3 Tom Holland movies like as well.
• 27:37
  And I think that he's a really good spider man, but this is the
• 27:41
  first time out of those 3 movies where I would.
• 27:44
  I was like, that's the one thing about the Marvel movies is I
• 27:50
  hate when they're good. But I feel like it's like, yes,
• 27:52
  they change so many things that I have to be like, but but this,
• 27:56
  but that, but this, there was no like, but comments I had to make
• 27:59
  about that movie. Like it was just really the the
• 28:02
  heart of the character was there like the so many of like the the
• 28:09
  villains of that little montage and like just so much.
• 28:13
  It felt like a really lived in Spider Man 2 at the same time,
• 28:17
  which is ideally like what you want for like a spider man
• 28:20
  movie. Like that's why some of that
• 28:22
  times, like the second one is usually really good is because
• 28:24
  we get past the origin story and now it's like, right, you're in
• 28:28
  your stride, like. That is something I liked a lot
• 28:31
  about Tom Holland Spider Man is we didn't have to watch this the
• 28:35
  the origin story again and just dove right in.
• 28:38
  You never, you never have to see him get bit by a spider.
• 28:41
  And you, that's the whole like first 50 minutes of the movie
• 28:44
  and it's like, and then, then we put the suit on and it's like, I
• 28:49
  know it's for everybody else, but it's like I've read, watched
• 28:53
  and played video games of that intro just like basically my
• 28:58
  entire life as a conscious human being.
• 29:00
  And it's like, I know, I know how he becomes spider man,
• 29:05
  right? And it's important like, but
• 29:08
  it's like. Even if you have at this.
• 29:10
  Point with the Internet, it's like everybody knows about Uncle
• 29:13
  Ben and and the spider. It's like it's so culturally
• 29:17
  relevant that it's like, yeah, we don't need to see it
• 29:19
  everybody. I don't think there's.
• 29:20
  Anyone in America at least that doesn't know Spider Man's origin
• 29:25
  story? I'd be shocked.
• 29:27
  In fact, I would probably call someone out for being a a liar.
• 29:31
  Literally it's like. You know that like you know
• 29:33
  that. Come on.
• 29:34
  Come on now. I love the new movie I I felt
• 29:37
  like they did so much in the time that they had.
• 29:43
  And they did it so. Well, and I thought that that
• 29:45
  was also very impressive. Like I was, I was really
• 29:48
  concerned. Yeah.
• 29:50
  But it they they did it really well.
• 29:53
  The like cameo appearances were all like, I think really well
• 29:58
  done and really well placed. I freaking love the Punisher.
• 30:03
  Oh, yeah, of course. They're like Newark accents,
• 30:07
  coming out every time they would, like, bicker with each
• 30:09
  other. Yeah.
• 30:09
  So good. Like it made me laugh so hard.
• 30:12
  Like I saw that and I saw. That right after seeing the the
• 30:17
  Odyssey like the week before. Oh nice.
• 30:21
  And and. They also have like a lot of
• 30:24
  scenes together in the Odyssey and it was just funny to see
• 30:27
  them like together again, but in like more like a buddy cop kind
• 30:31
  of, yeah, silly. It was good and like both comedy
• 30:36
  wise and also like narratively in the movie.
• 30:38
  I feel like, and this is obviously I feel like this is a
• 30:41
  very surface level glean from the movie, but like they even
• 30:44
  say it. Peter feels like he's like he's
• 30:47
  like I'm the loner. I'm, I'm, I'm in my apartment.
• 30:50
  I don't need anybody. Like, I'm Spider Man.
• 30:52
  And he literally is like, you know, I'm living like you.
• 30:54
  And Frank is like, you don't want this.
• 30:57
  Like, you don't want to live that lonely, that sad, depressed
• 31:00
  life that Frank lives. Like it's, it's a punishment.
• 31:04
  It's a curse. You know, it's a sentence like
• 31:07
  he says in the movie, Like, yeah.
• 31:09
  He does it to himself because. Of where he's.
• 31:13
  Been and who he is and spoilers. I mean, we've been spoiling the
• 31:17
  movie The whole time. The scene where Jean Grey is
• 31:21
  possessing MJ on the rooftop and he's hugging her and she goes
• 31:26
  like hug her, feel her and like they reveal that she was
• 31:30
  possessing her. Because the whole time I'm like,
• 31:32
  this is too easy. I'm like, they're giving us.
• 31:34
  And I because of course I'm like, we all secretly like, like
• 31:37
  a little bit want them everybody to remember.
• 31:39
  And then they're all friends again and nobody's sad anymore.
• 31:42
  But I literally, I was sitting next to one of my brothers, my
• 31:45
  youngest brother who's like 11. We're sitting next to each other
• 31:48
  in the theater and it that reveal happens.
• 31:51
  And I literally went Oh my God, like out loud in the theater
• 31:55
  because it was just like, Oh my God, Like it was like
• 32:00
  heartbreaking. It's like, here's this.
• 32:02
  Thing that literally everybody in the theater wants like
• 32:05
  everybody wants to stand up and. They just pull the rug.
• 32:09
  And heartbreak. And I.
• 32:15
  Feel like that whole thing was really well done too with her
• 32:17
  finding the letter and like, you know, he did self fulfill the
• 32:21
  prophecy of of never talking to her because he if he had like in
• 32:26
  the scenes in the coffee shop from no way home, if he had
• 32:28
  actually talked to her, he probably could have rekindled
• 32:32
  that. But she's had the last four
• 32:34
  years of her life to throw into a different person.
• 32:36
  And it's like, yes, the kind of baseline friendship chemistry of
• 32:40
  everybody is there. But Peter, it is kind of The
• 32:43
  thing is like he did that to himself in a lot of ways.
• 32:46
  Like he, he, he was too scared to like to actually talk to her
• 32:51
  and that, you know, you did let her live her own life.
• 32:53
  And in some ways too, he like feels like he was sparing her
• 32:57
  and, and all that. But again, it's like it's so
• 33:00
  difficult too, because it's like if, if, if you put me in that
• 33:02
  situation, I don't know what I would do.
• 33:04
  I don't know if I would talk to her or I don't know if I would
• 33:06
  leave her alone because then it's like you feel like you
• 33:09
  should, like you don't want to bring her into your shed.
• 33:11
  Like, you know, you're spot, like you know, that's the I
• 33:20
  think they do a really. Good job of like I think Tom
• 33:23
  Holland, Spider Man, I think I mean all all three of the
• 33:27
  iterations of Spider Man that have occurred in my life that
• 33:31
  have been live action Spider Man have done a really good job of
• 33:34
  balancing like fun and action adventure and also like
• 33:39
  emotional beats really, really well.
• 33:45
  How do you feel about Andrew Garfield?
• 33:47
  He's the one we haven't talked about yet.
• 33:48
  Now I like Andrew. And I know I ragged on on
• 33:51
  Amazing spider man 2 two. That movie is just very like
• 33:56
  disjointed, but I really like Andrew.
• 33:58
  I really enjoyed amazing spider man 1.
• 34:01
  I feel like that's a really good movie.
• 34:03
  I think he I think Andrew Garfield should have played
• 34:08
  college age Peter Parker. That's my hot date is because he
• 34:11
  looks and personality was way too like secretly nonchalant
• 34:17
  cool for that age of Peter and but I do feel like like he could
• 34:22
  have been a really good like older Peter and that's why
• 34:27
  everybody wants to see like a more developed like Andrew
• 34:30
  spider man. But I really like that movie.
• 34:32
  Like again, it's like, how do you follow up Toby?
• 34:35
  And at the time I remember when it came out, I was a kid too at
• 34:38
  that point, so I liked it, but everyone's like, Oh, it's so
• 34:41
  different. But I really liked Electro too.
• 34:44
  So when the trailers for I think Spider Man 2 came out, I was
• 34:47
  like, Oh my God. And like, there's good parts of
• 34:50
  that movie, but it's just like. Felt like the ugly.
• 34:54
  Ass like green golf. I don't even remember that
• 34:57
  actor's name like but he's good. He's just.
• 35:02
  He's not Toby. For me, you know, nobody could
• 35:05
  be Toby. Like one of my buddies really
• 35:10
  likes Andrew and he's definitely if he's if that like thing about
• 35:17
  I mean just Spider Man 2, like if you if you don't like that or
• 35:20
  if you like that but you don't like Spider Man 3, if that gets
• 35:22
  in one of the clips, he's going to be like, bro, what are you
• 35:25
  talking about? Like it's definitely.
• 35:27
  It's getting in the clip. It's shout out I love.
• 35:30
  I love Andrew but you got to have more than one good movie
• 35:33
  bro. Like like he only got 1 good
• 35:35
  movie Loki like he did have a good.
• 35:37
  Movie. It just happened to be Tom
• 35:39
  Holland's third movie. Like this, Yeah.
• 35:43
  Literally. Literally actually though, like,
• 35:46
  no, you're so right, though. You're so right.
• 35:50
  He just, it was timing. I think he was fucked by the
• 35:53
  timing of the Sony Marvel deals and bringing that back together.
• 35:58
  And they were like, you know, we got to just pick a new Spider
• 36:01
  Man. And like, I think he could have
• 36:05
  been a good MCU Spider Man if the timing had been right.
• 36:07
  Like I think it just Andrew Garfield's a really good actor.
• 36:11
  Yeah. Just nerd vibe timing.
• 36:15
  Yeah. Circumstance like he had to be
• 36:17
  the second spider man, so he was kind of shot in the foot by
• 36:20
  that. I think just luck of the draw.
• 36:25
  Definitely like the. Scene in Is it No.
• 36:29
  What is the third movie? No way home?
• 36:31
  Is that right? I I can never remember,
• 36:34
  especially with those 3. They all.
• 36:38
  Sound the same I'm I suck with names anyways, but in no way
• 36:42
  home when like the scene where they meet MJ, they meet him for
• 36:47
  the first time and he's like, come on I'm spider man I'm Peter
• 36:51
  Parker and then all the way to when he catches MJ, she's
• 36:56
  falling and is like in tears 'cause he's like redeemed
• 37:00
  himself finally for by for like his biggest failure like that.
• 37:06
  That character arc is is good. I'm not getting chills talking
• 37:10
  about it dude. I think I.
• 37:12
  Think I cried multiple times seeing that movie.
• 37:15
  I saw that like the the day it drops with my family and stuff
• 37:19
  and I argue with that scene. I was.
• 37:22
  Breathless. I literally was like.
• 37:25
  He's like reaching for it. And I was like, like doing the
• 37:28
  old lady thing, like like I can't watch.
• 37:34
  You could argue it's like. A lot of fanservice, but it's
• 37:37
  like the best kind of fanservice.
• 37:38
  It's like all these all these villains from past movies that I
• 37:43
  loved the spider man that I grew up with yes, all of it in one
• 37:48
  movie together. I just it's fun, like it felt
• 37:52
  like playing with my. Action figures The whole time
• 37:55
  I'm like, like. Like the whole time.
• 38:00
  Like. Just driving a random.
• 38:04
  Like there's so many on my desk right now.
• 38:07
  We got the Juggernaut. We got the Juggernaut.
• 38:11
  ULK Buster. Like I have a problem.
• 38:15
  It's like you. Are you a fan of the like Miles
• 38:22
  Morales movies? The Yes.
• 38:26
  I really enjoyed both of those. Like I mean they're so good.
• 38:30
  Like the animation is insane. I think it like what's crazy?
• 38:34
  We're going to. I don't even know when that
• 38:36
  third one's supposed to come out, but I mean supposed to come
• 38:38
  out next year. Maybe the second one was really.
• 38:41
  Ambitious and really good. I think like the the bigger
• 38:44
  ensemble cast was really cool and like the, the increase, like
• 38:49
  diversity of the animation styles was really interesting
• 38:52
  and, and, but also like there was just so many like moments
• 38:57
  from the first one. I I like I watched that movie so
• 39:00
  many times after it came out, Like it was just so good.
• 39:02
  Like, and it's the rewatchable too.
• 39:05
  Like, yes, there's so much. Heart in it.
• 39:08
  Like it's like there's very few, there's very few movies.
• 39:13
  That I will rewatch in my old age, but that's one that I've
• 39:16
  watched several times. It's come out both of them live.
• 39:20
  What's that? James Johnson.
• 39:23
  Oh yeah. Now he's, oh, the music's great,
• 39:26
  too. The whole the soundtrack for.
• 39:28
  That movie, I mean, like, it's Sunflower was like one of the
• 39:31
  biggest hits of that year. Like genuine, like not even,
• 39:34
  well, just outside of the movie. Yeah.
• 39:36
  So catchy. The voice acting is so good.
• 39:39
  Hailee Steinfeld's so good in that movie.
• 39:41
  Like the the the villain design is so interesting.
• 39:45
  Like have you watched have you watched spider man noir?
• 39:49
  The. No, not yet.
• 39:51
  I. Need to still I need to like
• 39:53
  it's on my list I started. Watching 1 episode and I kind of
• 39:56
  was like yeah and I but I need to go back to it.
• 39:59
  Except I've heard it's good. I get.
• 40:01
  So behind on like like I used to like have like I'm like, I used
• 40:05
  to have so much time to watch everything and now it's like I I
• 40:09
  eventually get to everything. But like, yeah, I got give me a
• 40:12
  minute. Like, yeah, I feel that.
• 40:15
  I especially since I started this podcast, number one, I'm
• 40:18
  doing interviews all the time, which is so cool and I love it.
• 40:23
  But also every time I interview someone, I walk away with like
• 40:27
  something new that I want to get into.
• 40:29
  So I have like this just a huge backlog at this point of stuff
• 40:33
  to to yeah, to start digging into.
• 40:37
  And you got to play hell divers. Too.
• 40:38
  So like right? I got to start hell diving now.
• 40:42
  I'll have to get your your PlayStation thing.
• 40:44
  I'll send. It to you?
• 40:45
  No. I'll send it to you.
• 40:47
  I I. I, I don't want to go too far
• 40:51
  back to hell divers because I want to make sure we have time
• 40:52
  for, for Transformers. But of course.
• 40:56
  I did. Like I started playing hell
• 40:58
  divers. I think my biggest thing with
• 41:00
  that with that game is I I came in late.
• 41:04
  I didn't have friends. To play with necessarily, and I
• 41:08
  didn't know what I was doing enough to play with a bunch of
• 41:11
  random people. It's hard.
• 41:14
  It is hard when you're really learning.
• 41:15
  I think that's what turns a lot of people off is like getting
• 41:19
  like the game trying to play with randoms if nobody's helping
• 41:22
  you. That's why when I, if I see
• 41:24
  lower level players or like people who have mics or this is
• 41:28
  my first game, like I try to help other like people who work
• 41:35
  because it's so overwhelming. There's so many things going on
• 41:38
  and you're like actually trying to complete the objective and
• 41:40
  then you just die again and again.
• 41:43
  It's kind of it's like disheartening, but definitely
• 41:46
  like shoot me your PlayStation and I will for sure.
• 41:50
  Even if like I know there's there's a couple of people in
• 41:53
  other bands like I that I like oh, playing hell divers too.
• 41:57
  Like like, you mean like it happens so many times.
• 42:00
  Like I'll hang out with another band on tour and we're like, Oh,
• 42:03
  you play that too. And it's like, let's play some
• 42:05
  games. Like I'm supposed to play out
• 42:06
  last trials with Viddy from Moose Creek Park.
• 42:08
  That hasn't happened yet. Sorry, Viddy, I love you.
• 42:10
  But like, it's just, you know, it's like I got a list, so I got
• 42:14
  you like. So Transformers.
• 42:19
  Rest in peace, we. Call it man more than meets the
• 42:22
  eye. That's that's heartbreaking.
• 42:25
  That's like, that's another like formative part of my childhood.
• 42:30
  Where's Optimist? You want to know something?
• 42:34
  Really. Funny, I almost messaged you
• 42:36
  when we were talking back and forth about coming on the show
• 42:39
  and I was going to be like, you should like bring your you
• 42:42
  should do some like show and tell with your like I just do
• 42:44
  some show and tell and you're. Just doing it anyways.
• 42:47
  Yeah, is. That most of my favorite stuff
• 42:50
  and I'll before we get off, I will show you what is probably
• 42:52
  my absolute favorite action figure.
• 42:55
  It's like a most of my stuff is in pretty easy reach, but this
• 42:57
  is my optimist. There was a newer one that's
• 43:00
  like $80.00 that came out like last year.
• 43:04
  The, I bought a lot of Transformers when I started
• 43:07
  getting back into collecting a few years ago.
• 43:09
  But since like, you know, every like tariffs on plastic and, and
• 43:13
  oil prices and things like that, there's so much plastic that
• 43:16
  goes into these that the price of Transformers has just gone up
• 43:20
  like damn near every month. So I'm maybe if I see one at
• 43:24
  Comic Con and like, you know, rest in peace, Peter Colin.
• 43:27
  I think I've heard that man's voice on like.
• 43:30
  Oh my God. Like.
• 43:32
  And it's not just Transformers too.
• 43:33
  Like, I mean, obviously he had a very storied voice acting
• 43:35
  career, but both with the the movies and like that came out
• 43:40
  when I was a kid and I had a DVD set of the first two seasons of
• 43:45
  the original cartoon. And I wore, we had ATV in my
• 43:49
  basement, like in the area of the basement that's not my room
• 43:53
  actually, which is funny. But we had ATV with no cable,
• 43:56
  but it just had a DVD player. So we I would just over and over
• 44:01
  again just watch the show like for hours at night.
• 44:03
  I would stay up to like 2:00 AM and watch like Transformers on
• 44:06
  DVD. And it's just like he was such a
• 44:09
  great voice actor and just so well liked by like his peers.
• 44:13
  And I, I never when I go to conventions and comic cons and
• 44:18
  like that I'm not usually like an autographs type of guy, but
• 44:21
  that's definitely one that I wish I definitely had.
• 44:24
  You know what I'm saying? Rest in peace.
• 44:27
  But yes, Transformers you are supposed to make the noises when
• 44:32
  you transform them if you're playing with them.
• 44:34
  If you're playing with a transformer and you transformer
• 44:37
  and you don't make the noises, you're you're bad person.
• 44:40
  You're Larping, Yeah, you're going to hell.
• 44:42
  You're. Going to hell.
• 44:46
  You already answered a lot of my.
• 44:47
  Questions with your back story there, what's?
• 44:51
  I know that there's a. Point for me, and it's probably
• 44:55
  it's, it's maybe like the third movie where I just couldn't do
• 44:58
  Transformer movies anymore. It just got too corny, Michael.
• 45:04
  It, it, it, it hits a certain point.
• 45:06
  Yeah. He.
• 45:07
  He. Kind of like.
• 45:08
  Ran out of ideas I don't I don't like think about Transformers
• 45:13
  four and five. They don't exist to me.
• 45:16
  I I tried to sit down and watch both of them a while ago, like
• 45:21
  for like a like a second time and it's just, it's just bad.
• 45:26
  The first two especially are like are good. 3 was good
• 45:31
  because that came out when I was like 12 too.
• 45:33
  So of course I like it. I would say if that's how you
• 45:38
  feel about it, I would You should watch Transformers 1, the
• 45:42
  animated movie. It came out a few years ago.
• 45:45
  I was really kind of not. I didn't go into it with good
• 45:49
  expectations both because one, every movie is 2D animated these
• 45:53
  days and I really I want studios to go back to making more or is
• 45:58
  it more 2D animated? Not a 3D animated movie.
• 46:01
  Sorry, I think I misspoke a second ago.
• 46:02
  Everything's 3D these days and everything's that fucking like
• 46:06
  modelled 3D animation. And it's like, yes, the it's
• 46:09
  like the technology for it is, is good.
• 46:12
  But I want like, I want to watch a 2D animated movie on the big
• 46:19
  screen, like a 2D superhero movie or something like that
• 46:22
  would be amazing. So I kind of was like, and it
• 46:24
  was like Chris Hemsworth was playing Optimus Prime in the
• 46:28
  movie. So I was like, I don't know how
• 46:29
  I feel about this, but I took my brother to see it.
• 46:32
  I'm the oldest of a bunch of siblings.
• 46:34
  So like I take like, you know, every time I go to a movie, I'm
• 46:37
  probably taking one of them to at this point.
• 46:39
  But like, I took just him because he I got him to trans
• 46:42
  into Transformers as well because he is like 11.
• 46:46
  And I was just so blown away. And it is like it's the origin
• 46:52
  story of Office Prime and Megatron.
• 46:55
  But there's so much heart in it too.
• 46:57
  And in the movie, there's so many little references and and
• 47:01
  things that I was catching where it's like for the like the
• 47:05
  Transformers nerds, like the dudes who wear khaki shorts and
• 47:08
  shit like that. Like I was like, oh, this is for
• 47:10
  me. Like the dudes that wear.
• 47:12
  Khaki shirts. No, I saw.
• 47:15
  There was this old man, like an older, like a like a 56 year old
• 47:20
  guy wearing a graphic tee and the same style of cargo shorts
• 47:25
  that I was wearing in the toy all at Walmart once.
• 47:27
  And he walked away and I was like, that is my future.
• 47:31
  I was like, Oh my, that's me. But I used to watch that.
• 47:36
  And if you're, if you like to read comics at all, the
• 47:39
  Transformers comics like the IDW and some of the more recent
• 47:44
  Energon universe comics are really good and very dark too.
• 47:49
  Like a lot more adult, a lot more like violent, a lot more
• 47:54
  like because Transformers like it is they are at war.
• 47:58
  Like, you know, they are like if your favorite Autobot shows up
• 48:02
  in the Transformers comic, there's a decent chance they're
• 48:04
  dying on the next page. Like like and it's like, do you
• 48:07
  like do you flip the page and you're like, oh, warpath, I
• 48:11
  haven't seen you in a while. And then you and he's getting
• 48:13
  blown to a million pieces on the next page.
• 48:16
  Like, but I like the Michael Bay stuff is good for its time.
• 48:22
  I definitely like fundamentally am not a fan of like a lot of
• 48:27
  the designs in those movies. I think they're supposed to look
• 48:31
  kind of big and clunky. They are cars and like it's just
• 48:37
  like there is just that too many little pieces.
• 48:41
  It's like I don't like that where they like start as a truck
• 48:45
  and then they they do this and then they and then they're just
• 48:48
  like a a robot. It's like I want to see it.
• 48:51
  I want to see it happen. You know what I'm saying?
• 48:52
  Like I want to see show me make the.
• 48:54
  Noises make the sounds and show me the transformations.
• 49:00
  I like Transformers I. Feel like it's kind of fallen
• 49:03
  out of the cultural zeitgeist too, like I had Transformers.
• 49:06
  Bed sheets, I'm pretty sure when I was a kid.
• 49:08
  There you go. I'm I'm almost.
• 49:11
  Positive. Now I got to go look.
• 49:14
  I watched the cartoon as a kid. I watched the 1st 2 movies.
• 49:17
  It's been many years. I tried to get my son to like,
• 49:20
  want to play with Transformers and he just wasn't super into it
• 49:23
  at the time. Maybe, maybe, maybe we need to
• 49:26
  make a comeback, revisit that later, revisit.
• 49:29
  That later like. So I have so this is my we just
• 49:35
  have a few minutes left. I think I don't want to run us
• 49:39
  over, but this is my my my game at at the end here, my my
• 49:45
  content farming game so to speak.
• 49:48
  So I'm in. I've got a list of bands here
• 49:50
  that have that are hummus vacuum adjacent and I'd like to know
• 49:56
  what your take on which transformer represents them the
• 50:01
  best. OK.
• 50:03
  So thoughts on bowling? Thoughts on bowling?
• 50:07
  I'm going to say Hot Rod, one of my personal favorites.
• 50:13
  They're like a younger but on the rise and up and coming band
• 50:18
  that I think could definitely like really hold like a really
• 50:22
  big and kind of like a a strong place in the scene, especially
• 50:26
  as they develop and and, you know, continue and stuff.
• 50:30
  Just like Hot Rod became Rod of his prime and he did not, he did
• 50:34
  not 'cause Optimus to die. I don't even want to get into
• 50:36
  that bro. I don't even want to get into
• 50:37
  that. Equipment.
• 50:41
  Equipment. Equipment.
• 50:46
  You know what? There's an.
• 50:47
  Autobot, his name is cup. He is like his characters.
• 50:52
  He's like an older grizzled Autobot veteran that he's been
• 50:56
  around forever and he's seen some shit and like equipment
• 50:59
  just hit their ten years as a band too, and I remember them
• 51:02
  being a band when I was in high school.
• 51:03
  So I think I'm going to give them that one Love equipment.
• 51:09
  Oh, halftime show and I feel like I'm going all like Autobot
• 51:15
  characters too, because I don't want to give anybody a bad vibe
• 51:18
  being a Decepticon character. But oh, halftime show they're
• 51:23
  and they're so and they're like so emailed, but they're like so
• 51:26
  different too. Let's see, I'm going to go
• 51:32
  Springer. He's a an Autobot as as you
• 51:36
  know, he could transform into three different vehicles, two
• 51:40
  different vehicles and the robot.
• 51:42
  So, you know, they're so multifaceted and they're sound
• 51:45
  at the same time that that's what I'm going to go with.
• 51:47
  That's what I'm locked in right now.
• 51:49
  OK, let's go. Adjust the sales.
• 51:53
  Adjust the. Sales Oh, you know, I'm going to
• 51:58
  say I'm going to give adjust the sales Optimus Prime because you
• 52:04
  know he's Shane. I could say you're the Optimus
• 52:06
  Prime of the scene because both very accessible, but I think
• 52:12
  that is something that is like a strength of the adjusted sales
• 52:14
  music is how accessible it is. I mean and true as just a
• 52:22
  musician too. There's nothing wrong with just
• 52:23
  a catchy song. You know Optimus Prime, he's the
• 52:27
  GOAT. He turns into a truck.
• 52:29
  I wake up with adjust the. Sales in my head more often than
• 52:33
  I like to admit. All the time.
• 52:35
  It's catchy. It is.
• 52:36
  It's really catchy. It's Cinema Stare.
• 52:40
  Oh, cinema. Stare, cinema stare.
• 52:43
  Oh, that's hard. And I'm like, I don't want to
• 52:50
  give them. I think I'm going to say a
• 52:56
  little one because, you know, and this is not just because
• 53:01
  they are like a feminine presenting, you know, fronted
• 53:04
  band. Love you Quinn, but Aleta 1 is
• 53:08
  badass she's the like actual like second in command of the
• 53:12
  Autobots and often is really the one pulling a lot of the strings
• 53:17
  and doing a lot of the actual fighting like behind Optimus
• 53:20
  like you know and like really holding the shit together.
• 53:23
  So on this vacuum, on this vacuum I'm.
• 53:28
  Like what's the worst? Transformer.
• 53:30
  No, I'm kidding. I'm going to say on this vacuum
• 53:37
  is a Blur, who is not as popular in the movies, but was in
• 53:45
  Transformers Animated, which was a favorite cartoon of mine, a 2D
• 53:48
  animated cartoon from the 2000s. But he is like the fastest
• 53:52
  Transformer. And there are some parts where I
• 53:55
  see Cappy's hands on some of those licks and I'm like, what
• 53:58
  the fuck are you doing bro? Like like I I I texted him when
• 54:03
  learning some of the songs on the record before I came out
• 54:06
  after I heard the claws rigged anyway for the first time.
• 54:09
  I literally texted him and I said you are such a fucker, you
• 54:12
  know that like you like. It I think that's that's.
• 54:18
  That's my answer, yeah. The lyrics.
• 54:22
  The I mean I I I. Am a.
• 54:25
  Huge a huge hummus vacuum fan so I have to try.
• 54:29
  Not to rush the songs when we play because the parts are so
• 54:35
  fast, even for me too, where it's like if we play this any
• 54:39
  faster, we're not going to be able to play it like it's like,
• 54:41
  you know, like and it's fun. Like it's that's like hummus
• 54:44
  packing. It's the music is so like huge
• 54:47
  and catchy at the same time. But with those little Nuggets
• 54:51
  like so many times there's like the chorus is like a pretty
• 54:53
  straight ahead hot punk, power pop drum part, drum beat,
• 54:58
  whatever. But there's little bits where
• 55:00
  I'm like, what were you doing in there?
• 55:02
  Like Kathy, like, like you're it's it's just a little Nuggets
• 55:06
  that really like, I take it up a level for me.
• 55:08
  Like I really not, not even just like being a hummus vacuum.
• 55:12
  I really enjoy just the music and, and just everything like
• 55:15
  both bands. And I mean, you have to like,
• 55:18
  you know, you, you have to love what you do.
• 55:20
  But like I really I enjoy both bands even though I had.
• 55:26
  I had. Shane blocked on TikTok for like
• 55:28
  6 years on accident. But in my defence, when Mike
• 55:34
  Walton was trending on TikTok in 2020, I think I saw that like
• 55:39
  one of his videos like 10 times a day.
• 55:41
  And they got to a point where I was like, I can't take it
• 55:44
  anymore. And I blocked him.
• 55:47
  And then we were on the tour in January when Hummus Vacuum was
• 55:49
  playing with the Justice sales. And I had I went to tag adjusted
• 55:54
  sales in a humus vacuum drum video that I was posting like
• 55:57
  tagged Dear Cincinnati in them. And it was like, this account is
• 56:00
  blocked. And I was like, like, I was
• 56:03
  like, and then later at the tour, I was like, Shane, I have
• 56:06
  to tell you something. And he laughed.
• 56:08
  Like we laughed. We still laughed at it.
• 56:10
  He likes to tell people that to like not shame me, but it's like
• 56:13
  it makes it's like funny where I'll be like, no, like, you
• 56:16
  know, you were annoying like fairly.
• 56:18
  You have to be real. Like, you know, he's like, I
• 56:22
  have more songs to promote now, but I just had that one.
• 56:25
  I was good one, no? It's a great song.
• 56:29
  It's one, it's one of my favourites to play, like when
• 56:31
  when the kids start singing every night, like it's like the
• 56:34
  most simple song in the set. But I if when I can, I'll tape
• 56:38
  one of the earbuds out and just listen to them.
• 56:41
  Yeah, because that's the one everybody knows all the words
• 56:43
  to. Yeah, it's.
• 56:45
  Crazy to me how many, like young people show up to adjust the
• 56:51
  sale shows and know all the words to every song.
• 56:54
  Like kids that wouldn't otherwise come out to shows.
• 56:57
  Most of the time I think, yeah, that's it's.
• 56:59
  It's part of what's really cool too, is it's like.
• 57:02
  So many kids like I. Never went to shows like that
• 57:04
  when I was that age when I was and I like.
• 57:08
  I tell these kids I'm like, go. To more shows, like go to more
• 57:11
  shows, keep going to shows, but it's cool.
• 57:14
  Like seeing the music is really fun and it is like the more
• 57:18
  simple out of the two bands. But just every night, the
• 57:22
  reaction that the fans have is just really special to me, like
• 57:27
  adding to all of us, but and to Shane and to everybody.
• 57:29
  But it's, it is really cool to look up from the drum kit and
• 57:34
  it's a room full of like 150 teenagers and, and people and,
• 57:40
  and they're like crying and singing and holding their phones
• 57:43
  up from recording and like, you know, it's, it's a really cool
• 57:46
  and it, it is like, like. Reminds you like.
• 57:51
  What not like what you do this for?
• 57:52
  Like I don't do, I don't play music for like, like attention
• 57:57
  from from the fans. And she's like that.
• 57:59
  You know what I'm saying? Like for like, like the but it's
• 58:01
  like when you're on the stage, like I, I have, you know, been a
• 58:05
  musician my whole life pretty much.
• 58:09
  And when you play, when you grind the play shows to 20
• 58:13
  people for years where? Nobody knows the.
• 58:18
  Words, It is really incredible, even though I didn't write the
• 58:21
  songs obviously and and I am like a higher gun with Shane.
• 58:23
  It is really cool to just look up from above the drum kit and
• 58:27
  the symbols and there's a bunch of kids crying and singing.
• 58:30
  And I mean, it has brought me to like tears multiple times.
• 58:34
  Just like there's nothing like that in the world.
• 58:38
  Like there's there's truly nothing in the world like that.
• 58:42
  And it's like this is what I wake up every day doing like to
• 58:44
  do like and it's it's just very special, like all that.
• 58:51
  That's awesome, man, talking, talking about business.
• 58:53
  That's. OK.
• 58:54
  I think we're at the business portion of the show.
• 58:57
  Tell me about. It's about that time.
• 59:00
  Tell me about hummus vacuum. What do you guys have coming up
• 59:03
  so? 911 through 914, we are going on
• 59:09
  tour with Homestyle Dinner rolls, playing for Midwest
• 59:14
  dates. That's very, it's going to be
• 59:15
  very fun. I look forward to that.
• 59:18
  And then we have nothing in October.
• 59:23
  Working on new music, you know. Giving up?
• 59:28
  Kathy's going to. Kill me now because I'm giving
• 59:30
  it out, you know? I mean, we're always, you know,
• 59:32
  putting songs, you know, putting some stuff together.
• 59:34
  And then November going back out on tour with Thoughts on
• 59:38
  Bowling, their headliner, which is very exciting with Moose
• 59:42
  Creek Park, Awfully Computer as well.
• 59:48
  I, I look forward to that. With all the touring from this
• 59:52
  year, I will have spent a total of three months on the road with
• 59:56
  Berkeley. That's a long.
• 59:59
  Time like we did the spring. Tour with the.
• 1:00:02
  Justice Sales. And thoughts on Boiling?
• 1:00:04
  When I was playing drums for Shane on that tour.
• 1:00:06
  And then that was about 3 weeks. We just did the month together
• 1:00:11
  in July and then we have another month together and it's like,
• 1:00:15
  dude, I thought I've seen you more than my own family.
• 1:00:18
  Like I've seen it like too much he, I love Berkeley though.
• 1:00:21
  He's like my little brother at this point.
• 1:00:23
  Like he is so talented and like, I'm like, he's like, I, I was
• 1:00:30
  not going on tour at 20 years old.
• 1:00:33
  Like I, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:34
  Like I, I really look forward to that tour.
• 1:00:37
  The thoughts on blowing fans are, are really fun and really
• 1:00:40
  cool. Similar to the justice sales
• 1:00:42
  fans. There's kind of a Venn diagram
• 1:00:44
  of both, like where you can tell, like you probably listen
• 1:00:47
  to both, but I, I really just going on tour playing like we're
• 1:00:53
  playing Canada one of the dates. That's going to be really fun.
• 1:00:56
  It'll be my first time playing out of the country.
• 1:00:59
  Cool. Like I just like I the hangs are
• 1:01:02
  going to be really good. Those shows are going to be
• 1:01:05
  really fun. I love Mitchell the singer
• 1:01:07
  thoughts on bowling and I have not met Gary, their drummer yet,
• 1:01:12
  but he seems very cool as well. Obviously very they're all very
• 1:01:16
  talented, but it's just it's going to be good vibes like and
• 1:01:20
  it's like, I also like Moose Creek Park's going to be on that
• 1:01:22
  run. I've spent a bunch of time with
• 1:01:24
  Vinny and and everybody this year that they're a great group
• 1:01:28
  of guys. Yo Vinny, some video.
• 1:01:30
  Game time. I do, I do.
• 1:01:32
  I haven't. Seen we're going to be on tour
• 1:01:33
  for like a month so it's like we're not going to be doing it
• 1:01:35
  then. But I it's cool it you like,
• 1:01:39
  it's fun on tour. It's like these people like you
• 1:01:43
  get so close with and then thankfully due to like the
• 1:01:45
  Internet and to phones, like, you know, you're able to stay in
• 1:01:48
  contact, but at the same time, it's like at the end of the last
• 1:01:52
  tour. It's like, yes, we're all stuck.
• 1:01:56
  With each other and it's like everybody's ready to go home,
• 1:01:59
  but it's like it's it's own thing.
• 1:02:02
  Like you're in your own little world.
• 1:02:04
  Like it feels like you're kind of cut off from everything else
• 1:02:07
  and like it's going to be really fun.
• 1:02:11
  It's going to be really good. I think those shows are going to
• 1:02:14
  be really fun. I'm interested to see a lot of
• 1:02:16
  those places. Our first time being there for
• 1:02:19
  Hummus Vacuum as well too. So I think that I'm hoping that
• 1:02:22
  that is going to be really fun. Lots of new fans with the new
• 1:02:27
  record and stuff like that. It's.
• 1:02:31
  Going to be good I. Have to drive the van on this
• 1:02:33
  tour, but you know, it's cool like.
• 1:02:38
  I think, I think we're. Done for the year after that.
• 1:02:40
  I think that's just the last big hurrah this year.
• 1:02:43
  I mean, I think I will have spent almost like three to four
• 1:02:48
  months total playing shows are on the road this year, which I'm
• 1:02:51
  very blessed and grateful to be doing.
• 1:02:53
  Like he deserve a month off. At the end, why not?
• 1:02:56
  I will say I've. Had about a month off and it's
• 1:02:58
  been very nice. Like I from about April to the
• 1:03:03
  end of July, I played forty shows in about four months,
• 1:03:08
  which it didn't. I didn't realize how much it was
• 1:03:12
  until like we got to the end of that tour and I was like, why do
• 1:03:16
  I feel like I'm going to die if I don't like if I don't get in
• 1:03:18
  my bed soon? You were doing double.
• 1:03:20
  Duty for a lot of those shows, for the first half, for the.
• 1:03:23
  First half of that tour, yeah, that was, that was both really
• 1:03:27
  awesome and also very intense. Like it was hot.
• 1:03:31
  A lot of the IT was very hot. And a lot of those shows were
• 1:03:34
  like a bunch of shows bunched together.
• 1:03:37
  So it was definitely by like, you know, 5 or 6 in a row.
• 1:03:40
  Like my wrists are very tired and I'm like very ready to to
• 1:03:45
  have a break. But it was really cool.
• 1:03:48
  Everyone's like, dude, you're playing drums in both bands.
• 1:03:51
  And I'm like, like, yes, I did this to myself.
• 1:03:54
  Like, yes, I know what I'm doing.
• 1:03:58
  It was fun. Like getting to pretend to be
• 1:03:59
  two different drummers every night.
• 1:04:01
  Yeah. Very different drum parts I
• 1:04:04
  would imagine, right? I try to like it's.
• 1:04:07
  Both it like with both it is me up there and I really have been
• 1:04:11
  trying to lean into like my stylistic influences and stuff
• 1:04:13
  like that. But I was trying to every night
• 1:04:18
  approaching it like 2 very different that's I felt like
• 1:04:22
  every night in the 15 minute changeover because obviously
• 1:04:26
  nothing had to move for me. I would stand outside or in the
• 1:04:30
  green room with like a towel and like a bottle of water looking
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  like Rocky, like like like looking like a boxer, like
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  ringside. And I'm like, I'm like hitting
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  my vape and like drinking water and I'm like breathing heavy and
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  shit like that, like just getting ready to hell dive.
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  Right back in go. Yeah, literally just to.
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  Reinforce right back in. I trained for this.
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  I, I, I fought for this. Like I like, you know what?
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  As soon as we hang out, I'm literally probably going to turn
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  the PlayStation on and get on. As soon as we get up, get off.
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  Because I already practiced and did all my adult stuff I had to
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  do today. You know what I'm saying?
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  Like all the real world. You've earned it.
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  Super bands, you did all the good stuff.
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  I plugged the band. Does need you?
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  I practiced for. Tor I plugged the band, you
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  know, I'm ready. I did laundry.
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  I'm ready to go like I'm, you know, thank you for having me on
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  like thank you for coming. It's fun, very fun to indulge my
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  like 3 of my, my interests and my, these things that I'm
• 1:05:35
  passionate about. Before we go, I would like you
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  to beat my son. This is OK.
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  So this is the this is my favorite action figure.
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  This is the Marvel Legends X-Men 97 Sentinel.
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  It is. It's huge.
• 1:05:52
  I thought it was just close to the camera, but it's it's that's
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  large. It is. 2 feet tall for
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  reference, this spider man is a six inch scale figure.
• 1:06:02
  So this is a 6 inch tall action figure.
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  This is how tall they look next to each other.
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  So the scaling is really like like it's really cool.
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  And this is my son. You know, he doesn't really have
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  a name. He is the Sentinel.
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  Sure, I love him. I would die for him.
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  Do you take him on tour with you?
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  I do not. Part of I well, I will say on
• 1:06:25
  the spring tour, our van got broken into and my backpack and
• 1:06:29
  my and my C pad machine got stolen and everyone's like
• 1:06:32
  when's bro going to stop talking about it?
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  But dude, that. Sucks and it happens so
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  frequently to touring bands luckily like.
• 1:06:42
  Obviously the van was OK and like overall and like none of my
• 1:06:46
  gear was taken, which financially like that would be
• 1:06:49
  like the most devastating. But yeah, my favorite Spider Man
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  action figure was in that bag because I brought it with me on
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  the tour and it's from like a 2 pack from 2022 that's like hard
• 1:06:59
  to find. So I kind of had just like divin
• 1:07:02
  up on getting that back. So listen.
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  Up. I don't bring some.
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  Yeah. Listen up, you.
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  Sons of bitches, we're coming for you, Spider Man, I'm coming.
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  Home. Daddy's going to get you.
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  Do you think and I I? Said this like, you know, they
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  took my CPAP and they probably just threw it away because like,
• 1:07:21
  what are you, you're not going to, what do you do with the
• 1:07:22
  CPAP? Yeah.
• 1:07:23
  It's like, do you think my CPAP? Do you think he's cold in
• 1:07:26
  whatever dumpster or landfill he ended up in?
• 1:07:28
  Like do you think he's sad he misses me?
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  I I had that CPAP since I was in high school.
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  I had homeward bounding. Right now.