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GUILT TRIP x MALEVOLENCE: From Underground to Global. BOTH Vocalists Tell All. · The Downbeat

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  What's up guys? My guests on the podcast this
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  week are Jay Valentine and Alex Taylor of Malevolent and Guilt
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  Trip. A little bit different this
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  week. Both bands were on tour, both
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  bands were in town. I wanted both bands.
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  We didn't have enough time to do 2 separate episodes, so we just
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  smashed them together. It's quite topical that we did
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  them both together because Guilt Trip are sort of Malev's younger
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  brothers, both hailing from the same area in the UK.
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  Both sort of. Come up at the same time with
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  Malevolence a little bit ahead. There's a little sibling rivalry
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  brotherhood thing going on and it actually turned out really
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  good. Might do it some more.
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  Check it out. It's Jay Valentine and Alex
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  Taylor of Guilt Trip and Malevolent on the Downbeat
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  podcast. UK in the House.
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  But but but but but we're back I.
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  Fucking love it. I'm an AUK guest in Forever
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  because You. Moved to America, mate.
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  That will do it, to be honest with you, that will do it.
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  How's America? What's going on?
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  It's. Great.
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  I love it. Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's a lot better than last time we were here.
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  What? Was the last time.
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  Counterparts. Oh, that sucked.
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  Why? Great lads to always like
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  counterparts pain The truth. Had a great time with those
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  guys, but we, it just didn't work for us and it was like why
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  not? I don't really know.
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  Like 3 weeks of just shows that nobody gave a fuck.
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  And you know, we, I think it all gave us a bit of PTSD from it to
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  be honest. So like we were all a bit
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  anxious about coming back because we just had a rough time
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  there. All that stuff as well with like
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  Wilkie losing his passport in Canada.
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  Oh my God, I forgot about that. Charlie got influenza and it was
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  a winter tour so it was freezing cold combined with like 3 weeks
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  of the most humbling shows we've ever done.
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  It just compounded into being this like, oh fuck, this total
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  sucks. So coming back, we were like,
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  yo, it's a little bit. I wasn't, I wasn't that excited
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  for it. But touch wood, it's been
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  fucking sick so far. Well, how?
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  How far in are you? Halfway yesterday.
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  Yeah, halfway is. This your first US.
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  Tour no Second we did Cougar Khan last year in September,
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  which was like, I mean you can't really get better Kanye FIFA
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  first America for the fucking. Marshes, right?
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  You can bring the UK. I'm so glad it's doing well,
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  yeah. Who else is on the bill?
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  U2. Chamber.
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  Chamber, Yeah. And then we've had like.
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  Fucking Bill. Yeah, we've had like locals as
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  well. So last night we were in
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  Louisville and we had year of the knife sell Intruder.
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  They were playing in Louisville as well, and that someone had
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  the idea of yo, let's just combine the shows and.
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  We've done that. Yeah, yeah, remember that?
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  The old the Bristol. Fucking hell, that was a lineup.
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  I can't even remember what it was.
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  Stray, not loose malevolence. Devil West.
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  Prada Loathe. Loathe.
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  That'd be like A334000 cap show at least.
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  Who? Who was on your tour?
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  It was not loose, Oz renounced. Yeah, renounced played.
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  That was like, yeah, you couldn't do that show.
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  That would be an arena one off show.
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  Yeah, it probably wouldn't sell out, but still pretty good.
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  Large Academy. Still a very fucking large
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  Academy. So we're in America.
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  This is a this is a first for the downbeat where I've got one
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  person from one band and another person from another band.
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  So I don't really know what I'm going to do.
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  Well, I do. I've planned it, so hopefully
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  it's good. Let me know if you think it was
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  shit because there was a miscommunication.
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  I said I wanted one from 1:00 in the morning.
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  No, I said. I wanted one band in the morning
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  and 1:00 in the afternoon. We could have, really could have
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  done that, man. That's really pissed me off.
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  This is why we don't go to the press agents you have.
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  I have to though. Not with my love, you don't.
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  I get I forget about that though, because sometimes even
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  when I'm mates with a band they're like, yeah, hit up
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  Casey. Can you imagine?
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  Can you, Can you imagine me ever say, yo, you've got, you've got
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  a hit on my press agent? Has changed.
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  It might be a different vibe, might be a different vibe.
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  You've got a drummer on this tour.
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  It's not even on my questions. There's different What's going
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  on there? Yeah, Charlie couldn't make it
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  on this run, so we have Davi of Devil Driver filling in.
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  He stepped up and he's been absolutely killing it.
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  You got a full stack everyone here.
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  Yeah, yeah. To be honest mate, we've not
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  really played many shows without the full stack to be fair.
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  I don't know if you know this, why did I get asked to fill in
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  for you for AUS tour? It was because we didn't know if
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  Tom was going to get in or not, but you made it it's.
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  Been a naughty boy. Yeah, but it was like when he
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  was a kid, he got caught with this flip when he was like 17 or
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  something. Somewhat ridiculous because it's
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  so like. Benjamin.
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  Yeah, in there, the Senate. Like uptight about it, aren't
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  they? So we didn't know if you'd get
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  in or not. Have you done Canada yet?
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  Yeah, we've done Canada. We've done Canada.
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  Nothing happened at the border. No fine, but we got like good
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  relationship with Canada. Aren't we UK?
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  Yeah, but they're they can like pull up when you were a kid,
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  like they whatever is the Canadian border, like their
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  system goes all the way back. Yeah, but he's been to, he came
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  to Canada. We went in 2022 and we'd just
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  been there the other day. So he he was fine, no problems,
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  full stack. Not full stack.
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  Almost full stack. Still fun though.
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  Yeah, it's been great. Was he in Great American the
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  Ghost for a bit? I can't remember.
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  I think he was I. Think he did play for him?
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  Yeah, I think he doesn't. He just brings this energy,
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  which is like he's just happy to be he's not not grumbled once.
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  Are you grumpy, Grumpy band? You know we are.
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  Yeah, a little. Bit when did you admit your
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  grump? Are you a grumpy?
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  Yeah, definitely agree. The bees guys are the fucking
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  worst. Make you lucky you get a smile
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  out of us on a full tour. You're fucking.
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  Smile in your. Ass.
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  I mean, I'm a smiley guy I think, but but the rest of the
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  van man. Really, who's the worst?
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  Jack. Definitely Jack.
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  I've never seen him smile. I've known him for 2620.
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  Seven you know what I've spoke to him.
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  That's smile so does check out. Yeah, I don't think he likes
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  anyone, you guys. Bicker, I mean Malev bicker, but
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  you guys fucking bicker between themselves.
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  You went, they went out for tea the other night and all I
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  because Josh was with you and all I heard when Josh got back
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  to the wagon was fucking hell. Them guys just hate each other.
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  They've been bitching about a fucking microphone for two hours
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  over burgers. I'm sick of hearing it.
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  There's a lot to unpack here. I want to know what the
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  microphone issue was but then also just just hearing someone
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  called dinner tea oh fucking straight in my.
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  Heart, we're so back. We're so back.
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  I just, I don't get that because in my head I was like a couple.
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  They went for a cup of tea. No, wait, that's where I'm from.
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  No, no. What was the microphone?
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  I don't know. They've been they've been
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  moaning about the mic sounding weird for a few a few days, but
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  I don't have a clue. My mic.
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  Yeah, I've been saying that. I've been saying like, I don't
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  know what's going on, like I don't know anything about tech
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  or anything like that. But yeah, Jack was moaning about
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  it. And then when we were trying new
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  mics, he's like, oh, I don't want to get involved, but he
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  brought it up. So we made him listen and we
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  changed the mic like 3 * 2 of them broke.
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  And then we got, we settled on like this little tiny thing.
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  It sounds all right. I mean, I don't, I don't know
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  the difference. I don't give a shit, man.
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  I'm just up there having a good time.
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  About techs, tech side? Absolutely not.
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  Con is the guy, yeah, he's the tech guy, and I tried to listen
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  to him when he explains to me about Quad Cortexes and plugins.
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  You're all DSP. You're all DSP, you've.
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  Already watched an ad there. They're already on the fucking
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  payroll brother. Could have got twice the money
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  if I've done 2 separate episodes but here we are.
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  He tries to say, he tries to explain it to me and it just
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  goes over my head. I, I try and listen, but it
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  wasn't, it's not not, it's not in my remit.
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  I turn up a shout. Do you OK this question goes to
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  both of you though, but it's off the back of what you just said.
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  Do you just get handed a song and go put some vocals on that
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  when you were when the demo process?
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  Happens. No, I'm I like to be involved
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  from the the get go. So when Josh is like putting
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  together his riff ideas, I'll be thinking like what can we do?
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  Or like, where can this riff go next?
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  I like, I like to because I don't, I don't play any.
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  You look like a Rick Rubin. Yeah, I could.
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  Just how does it make me feel? Yeah, 100% and I like I I don't
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  play any instruments but I can write mosh parts in my head and
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  I do and in the shower. How does it come out of head to
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  a guitarist? What do you do just?
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  Be in the shower and I'm all of a sudden it's like and.
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  Then what? Voice note.
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  Voice note Yeah, yeah. Or I'll just like, just remember
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  it and lock it in. And I'm like, Josh, next time
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  I'm at the studio, remind me. I'm going to tell you this riff
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  that I've wrote in my head and then like one one of the the
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  breakdown from unbroken glass that den in in in it, Yeah, den
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  in it that I was just. Is that a shower breakdown?
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  That is a shower breakdown. Fuck yeah.
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  Shower breakdown. What about you?
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  I'm the same man. Like I don't have a musical bone
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  in my body, so it's kind of hard for me to you know what when
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  when we first started the band, I I didn't have a clue mate.
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  I didn't even know how to come in on the one or anything.
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  I was just, I don't even know. But over the years I got better
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  at it. But I've, I've come up with like
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  a few bits. I like to be involved as well.
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  Like we we just all write together nowadays.
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  In the same room. Yeah, we we got a little spot at
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  home. So we just get together and
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  like, just write it all. On the instruments like there,
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  yeah. We got like the the on the
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  computer. Yeah, it's too loud otherwise.
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  I won't turn up if it was like that.
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  But yeah, we just, we just sort of write it all together and
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  everyone chips in probably like as much as each other.
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  But I've come up with like a couple of riffs.
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  Same process. Yeah, exactly the same.
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  Yeah, yeah, I think one of our good recent ones was me as well.
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  So I'll tell you what, Yeah, off the the trap burn the riffs that
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  the main riffs like me on in it. Yeah, I came up with that with
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  with Tom, but I definitely did most of the heavy lifting for it
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  and he just put it in into the computer because he's a genius
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  like that. Wait.
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  Tom put it into the computer. Yeah, Tom complete.
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  Tom's like a sort of demo guy, like you just tell him what to
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  do. He plugs, plugs it in and just
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  plays. He can play guitar and and.
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  I never knew. That dude on the drum kit on the
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  drums as well, he just plays the beat on the keyboard like.
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  He's so old school was shit like that.
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  He's goated man. You.
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  He's a fucking amazing drummer. But are you guys still not on a
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  click live? No, we don't use that you you
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  do. Yeah, I didn't know you didn't
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  use a click. That's.
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  Mine no I have no idea. We like slowing certain parts
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  down and like speeding bits up. So it, you know, we like, I
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  can't believe, I think it depends on the crowd.
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  You know, if we were having like a sick show, we'd play a
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  breakdown a little bit slower or whatever and get a better
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  reaction. Mate and everyone's cool with
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  it. Everyone's sound, everyone's on
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  the same page, like it just works out.
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  I think we played so much together.
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  We just got like good chemistry like that.
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  There's. Not many bands doing it.
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  I mean, I I need a click. I want a click.
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  But that sounds freeing, yeah. Yeah, it's great.
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  There's there's, there's one song in our set which we don't
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  have click for and that's only because it's self supremacy
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  where we ask for the circle pit and sometimes I'm stood there
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  for like a minute waiting for them to open it up like.
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  I know exactly the part in your. Yeah, so.
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  Sometimes it's awkward. Yeah, yeah.
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  And I'll stand there talking shit for a minute and just
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  waiting for them to do the circle pit.
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  But then we tried, you know, like having it on 2 separate
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  tracks. So you press play for the
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  second-half of the song and it just felt weird, man.
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  So like we were just like, right, every other song is on
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  click bar that one. Yeah.
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  And it's like, it works. I don't think we could ever put
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  a Click to that song. Yeah, with Stray, we, we never
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  used to have a click. And then we played Hellfest
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  Mainstage and I must have shit in bed or something because
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  afterwards I was like, that was sick.
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  And everyone was like, we finished like 5 minutes early.
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  I was like, that's crazy weird. And then I went, I went and did
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  press and there's some French guy was like Max's name was not
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  some French guy was like, I noticed you played every song
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  very fast today. It did not sound.
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  The accent. The accent is fantastic.
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  Because it's burned into my fucking brain.
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  It's like, it was, it just cut me.
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  And I was like, oh really? It was like, yes, very fast.
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  And he was kind of like. We had the same problem though
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  for a while like years ago, like Tom would just play at insane
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  speed and I'll say it'll be over in like 8 minutes.
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  But over the years, we just, I guess we just got accustomed to
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  like doing it doing. It Charlie used to play really
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  fast back in like the early my life days and I'd I'd, I'd
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  begged them, begged them to slow down because I just couldn't do
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  vocals that fast. But that's when we were playing,
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  like we had mellow death kind of vibe before.
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  We'd like, you know, when we first started putting music out,
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  when I joined Malev. Wait, there was mellow death
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  before? Yeah, like early Malev stuff is,
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  there's not much hardcore influence in it at all really.
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  It's very, it's very metal. Very an EP out or something with
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  that. No, but I'll send you the tracks
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  later. Please, I'd like to hear it.
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  It's on, it's on. It's on YouTube somewhere.
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  Deep dive if you there's a song called Echoes, which was written
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  before I was in the band and was funny.
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  We were talking about it on the drive in.
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  There's a photo somewhere of before I was even in the band
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  and Con was the lead singer Con singing and I'm in the crowd
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  like piling on to sing along crazy and yeah, but but that
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  whole era of my lab was very different to how what we sound
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  like now. I'm glad because of it's not my
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  bag. I like me.
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  I like breakdowns. I love breakdowns and I love
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  mellow death, so I feel like where you've settled on is
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  pretty fucking good for me. But I would like to hear it.
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  You guys been going for a fucking minute?
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  17 years since I joined. I was in BWP playing shows with
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  you and that is like a lot a lifetime ago.
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  What year was that? I know we talked about it last
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  time I was 20. 13, I think last 13 years, and then you guys were
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  fair play for not giving up. Yeah.
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  Honestly though, because most people do you.
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  Do you think you're out of dip? I've, I think we, I mean, we've
• 15:28
  had like it's peaks and trust with everything.
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  I feel like since COVID we've been, we've definitely, we grew
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  a lot over the pandemic and the lockdown and then it's kind of
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  been generic generally on the up since then.
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  Obviously, yeah, peaks and troughs and everything.
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  But I feel like we're in a very good position now and I don't
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  ever feel like we've, we ever hit a dip on it.
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  And I've like had a like a low point.
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  We were just like, we've, we've done some terrible tours and but
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  that's all part of it, right? And like so.
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  There was a massive gap in between full lengths for you
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  common board it was, but there was a huge gap and.
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  He was like 4 years or something.
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  Didn't he pay then a full length?
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  Feel like that might be the move for any band that's like they
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  want to keep the trajectory going, Slam a couple of EPS in
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  there in between records. I'd I'd do EPS all day long to
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  be honest. Another fucking EP.
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  Two track 2-3 tracks. I just don't like, what I don't
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  like is now you can't really do an EP because people want
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  singles and then like press agents and stuff.
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  They get mad. I fucking hate press.
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  Agents piece of crap man. You don't like an?
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  EBay dog shit bro why just shit. You want a full like meaty
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  record to put on what? What number record is this?
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  This is the. Armor of Angels.
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  Yeah, that's right. Number 34, number three.
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  Yeah, come back. Come back in 2 records.
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  Time you'll be. Like I don't know man, I have a
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  blast. I hate doing EPS man.
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  Why? They're just boring dude, like
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  they're over in 7 minutes. Like, what's a pint?
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  Yeah, but a sick banger. She's not in her head.
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  Not a keen, not a fan. I actually do fuck with EPS I
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  feel like. I mean I fuck with if it's good
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  but like. EPS are a good way to get a
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  little bit of like change in vibes because it's just a little
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  EP, you know what I'm saying? You don't have to like, dedicate
• 17:23
  all of your intention into a whole album when you can just
• 17:27
  have little flavours of different things.
• 17:28
  I think like when you're in early, like in your early stages
• 17:31
  of a band, EPS are good, but once you've got one LPI think
• 17:35
  you just got to keep keep doing LP's man.
• 17:37
  I strongly disagree. I mean.
• 17:39
  That's I think that might just be like old guy laziness.
• 17:42
  How old are you? I'm 31.
• 17:44
  Fuck, you look like a little baby.
• 17:46
  I know. I thought you were like 25.
• 17:48
  No 31. How old was the rest of the
• 17:49
  band? Jacks, 31, Sums 32, Lilies 24
• 17:53
  and Tom's 202827. Fuck, I thought you were so you
• 17:57
  fucking. Handsome little baby.
• 17:59
  Thank you. You can't say handsome baby
• 18:02
  these days. I haven't looked at my fucking
• 18:04
  questions once yet. That's a good sign, though.
• 18:07
  Oh. Here we go now.
• 18:07
  It's a great time. We didn't know how this was
• 18:09
  going to go. We're going to find out now.
• 18:12
  Oh, you're both from the north? Yeah, the north of the UK.
• 18:16
  What was the local scene like and how did you get to know each
• 18:20
  other? It's been up and down I think
• 18:21
  since I got involved in it. When I first got involved, I'll
• 18:25
  go into shows where like 6 people be there and stuff.
• 18:28
  And then just gradually, as the years went on after COVID as
• 18:31
  well, like shows just started going like really big, a lot
• 18:35
  bigger, like bands that easily fill up 200 cart.
• 18:38
  Whereas before it was like, you know, 50 people's in with 50
• 18:41
  people. So it's definitely changed since
• 18:43
  like I first got involved I feel like.
• 18:47
  I went like when I first started going to shows in Sheffield that
• 18:49
  used to be absolutely sick. You'd have, like, a sick tour
• 18:52
  coming through every weekend at the Corporation, whether it be
• 18:56
  like, Never say Die tour with like, part way headlining Hell
• 18:59
  on Earth Tour. You know, there was all these
• 19:01
  like, huge tours, which nowadays Sheffield doesn't even get a
• 19:06
  look. Yeah.
• 19:06
  Why is that like Corp used to have all the all the shows?
• 19:10
  Just because it's it's we're, we suffer from being in the
• 19:14
  triangle of Manchester, Leeds, Nottingham, and there's just not
• 19:20
  that many people that are into the heavy music as the in
• 19:22
  Sheffield as they used to be. I think times are starting to
• 19:26
  change now where it's like there's a bit more of a hardcore
• 19:28
  scene. There's a lot more DIY venues
• 19:30
  popping up. There's a like a Google busy
• 19:32
  buddies who are promoting like local hardcore shows.
• 19:34
  There seems to be like a real movement again, which is
• 19:36
  exciting. But for a long time there was
• 19:38
  like it just died to death. And I used to book shows at
• 19:41
  corporation. I used to work there and it was
• 19:44
  just fucking hard work trying to convince agents to send their
• 19:48
  tours to Sheffield where they know they could either send it
• 19:50
  to Leeds or Manchester and get double the figures, double the
• 19:53
  money and it'd be a better show. And you had, you can't argue
• 19:57
  with that. So.
• 19:58
  I feel like there's like the UK, people don't know how good
• 20:02
  they've got it, whereas like people will complain that I
• 20:07
  imagine they do. I haven't seen it but like I
• 20:09
  imagine people will complain a show isn't coming to Sheffield
• 20:12
  because it's going to fucking Manchester.
• 20:14
  How long is that drive? It's not far, no.
• 20:16
  It's not far. What is it?
• 20:17
  What is? It an hour.
• 20:19
  An hour on a good day. And then people are like, wow,
• 20:20
  why is it not coming to Sheffield?
• 20:23
  It's one hour away. Yeah.
• 20:25
  Fucking nip down the road. But I get it, you want a big
• 20:28
  band in your city for more of like, because they're coming to
• 20:32
  our city. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:34
  Guys, if you're watching this episode and you're thinking, I
• 20:36
  really want to go see the band Malevolence, guess what?
• 20:38
  You can watch the band Malevolence, plus three other
• 20:42
  bands, plus four bare knuckle boxing fights in the world's
• 20:47
  first boxing music collab. Blood for blood, blood for blood
• 20:51
  is. Taking place at Daytona Beach on
• 20:53
  May the 6th. Not only can you see
• 20:55
  malevolence, you can see crowbar, you can see Black Label
• 20:58
  Society, and you can see Slaughter to Prevail.
• 21:01
  Oh Craig, I don't want to watch Slaughter to Prevail.
• 21:02
  I don't like them. But why don't you watch the
• 21:05
  singer of Slaughter to Prevail? Get his face.
• 21:08
  Pounded in by the American cowboy.
• 21:10
  Oh, Craig, I don't like American Cowboys.
• 21:12
  Well why don't you watch an American cowboy get his face
• 21:16
  launched in by the Russian grizzly.
• 21:18
  There's something for everyone. If you want a fight, you got 4
• 21:21
  fights. Brutal.
• 21:22
  Bostwick represent in the UK, he'll be there.
• 21:26
  Met that guy recently. He's an absolute psycho.
• 21:29
  I would enjoy watching him I guess.
• 21:31
  Beat someone to a pulp. Let's be honest.
• 21:33
  There's riffs and there's fighting.
• 21:35
  You're either in or you're not. Get your tickets at
• 21:37
  blood4blood.com. I'll see you there.
• 21:41
  It puts it into perspective when you come over here stateside and
• 21:45
  there's people coming to these shows that that we've been on
• 21:48
  together and I'd like, yo, I drove 7 hours from Arkansas to
• 21:52
  be here and I'm like, you know, I know people who get pissed off
• 21:55
  about a 30 minute train to Leeds.
• 21:58
  Why are you doing? And I love you people, don't get
• 22:00
  me wrong, it's going to sound like I don't love you people,
• 22:02
  but like, why aren't you doing Cardiff?
• 22:06
  How far is Bristol? I'm sorry, I I I tell you what,
• 22:10
  though, if I had it my way, I would do it the other way round.
• 22:13
  So you've got some werewolf representation, but it's always
• 22:15
  Bristol. Yeah, Like they just got bigger
• 22:17
  venues. Cardiff's good though.
• 22:18
  We played a few times in Cardiff and it's been good.
• 22:20
  We played with you in that. The Globe was it.
• 22:22
  Yeah, Cardiff's good. I mean, I was like, I was born
• 22:25
  in Cardiff. So it's like, where are you?
• 22:27
  If we are you're. Welsh.
• 22:28
  I'm Welsh brother. Fuck.
• 22:29
  Yeah, but you've got Welsh parents.
• 22:31
  My dad's side, yeah. Is he got a proper thick Welsh
• 22:34
  accent? That I had seen the content in
• 22:36
  about 15 years. I'm running fucking theme on
• 22:39
  this podcast. No one knows they're bad.
• 22:41
  Daddy issues? No, not.
• 22:42
  So can. You do a Welsh accent.
• 22:45
  Yeah, Madison, this is a Welsh accent.
• 22:47
  Do you? Want me to drop into a better
• 22:48
  accent Is there? I'm not being funny.
• 22:51
  But at the end of the day, we went on the Downbeat podcast and
• 22:54
  it's it is what it is. That's fucking good.
• 22:58
  Brutality will prevail. That's what I I lived it.
• 23:02
  I lived with those people for a while.
• 23:04
  How did you guys meet each other bands?
• 23:07
  I don't remember this. I mean I know we've played so
• 23:10
  many like shitty shows might be down shows back in the day but I
• 23:13
  don't remember when we first met do.
• 23:14
  You. I remember the first time we
• 23:16
  met. Charlie drove us on our first
• 23:18
  European Tour. Did he?
• 23:19
  Yeah. But we we obviously knew my life
• 23:21
  before that. But that was the first time we
• 23:23
  met anyone in the band. And then shortly after that, he
• 23:26
  asked us to play like a reign of suffering five year anniversary.
• 23:30
  Nice. I think we BWP played Reign of
• 23:34
  Suffering release show. When was that?
• 23:38
  When was Reign of Suffering 2020 Thirteen.
• 23:41
  Yeah, I think that might have been one of the last BWP shows
• 23:43
  was and I think that was a call and I think you put it on.
• 23:48
  I don't know this for a fact. I'm just right.
• 23:50
  Yeah, maybe. I think we did a, we did a
• 23:53
  couple of cooperation with like like sick line UPS.
• 23:57
  TRC played one of them I think. Or the UK hardcore scene back in
• 24:01
  the day, was it? Was so lit TRC are back as well
• 24:05
  do you know? No.
• 24:07
  Yeah, they're back. They're back.
• 24:08
  I saw special movies back. I was talking to someone the
• 24:11
  other day. People forget, like I can't
• 24:15
  remember who it was. Someone was like, oh, remember
• 24:18
  when you were in Dead Swans? Remember that Bridge Nine man?
• 24:20
  And I was like, fuck me, I forgot about that.
• 24:23
  The seventh cross. You ever hear that, man?
• 24:24
  Yeah, I was in that for a bit as well.
• 24:26
  Yeah, Yeah. I got sick that.
• 24:28
  Was in that for two years. They were sick.
• 24:30
  They were very underrated. But I remember going to, I
• 24:33
  remember going to 7th Cross Show before I even know who they
• 24:36
  were. They were playing like a local
• 24:38
  venue in Sheffield and it was terrifying because there was big
• 24:41
  dudes kicking the shit out. Yeah, I was like, this is sick.
• 24:43
  This is like before I even really knew what hardcore was.
• 24:46
  I wonder if it was me playing the drums.
• 24:48
  I think it's about two years. Do you know who else was in
• 24:50
  Seven Cross J that now plays guitar for Bring Me a Horizon?
• 24:54
  Really. Yeah. 7 Cross was like a little
• 24:57
  fucking little super. Group.
• 24:59
  No way. Yeah, that's mad.
• 25:01
  I didn't know that. That was like the original
• 25:05
  moshing to the piano intro. And because it had all the like,
• 25:09
  fucking atmospheric demons March.
• 25:10
  Demons March. March.
• 25:12
  That was so hard. But yeah, I forget that as well.
• 25:15
  Yeah, I've had errors to my life.
• 25:17
  Or just fucking just move on. Just get bored.
• 25:21
  Just get bored. So a lot of these are going to
• 25:22
  be like getting you 2 to speak to each other because I don't
• 25:26
  know what I'm doing with this episode.
• 25:28
  I think it might be fun. Yeah, Yeah.
• 25:30
  OK so far. If you had to describe guilt
• 25:33
  trip in one word, what is it? B.Tech malevolence.
• 25:38
  Come on, like. Can you explain B.Tech
• 25:42
  malevolence to the US audience? Yes, so you have the 18, which
• 25:46
  is malevolence and then you have the the backup dancers.
• 25:48
  Now that's harsh. There's the we have this like
• 25:53
  hilarious ongoing feud online where I think some people
• 25:58
  genuinely think that we we just don't get along, but we just
• 26:02
  we've known each other that long that it's like we just take the
• 26:05
  piss out of each other and people like love it on the
• 26:08
  Internet. So to describe guilt trip sound,
• 26:11
  I guess it's really like, I definitely think there's like an
• 26:14
  element of like malevolence influence in there.
• 26:18
  And I mean that in like a good way.
• 26:20
  Maybe. Therapy.
• 26:23
  No, because I mean like there's not many bands in the North who
• 26:26
  sound like malevolent. There's not many bands in the
• 26:28
  North that sound like guilt Trip.
• 26:29
  So I think it's the natural thing to be like, Oh well, they
• 26:32
  draw influence from each other. And I feel like you definitely
• 26:35
  do because riff heavy metal core in in the North is just not that
• 26:40
  Hopkin at the minute. But then I think what you guys
• 26:44
  do is very unique in the sense that you have your own stage
• 26:49
  presence, you have your own style of delivery.
• 26:51
  And I feel like no one else can take that from you because it's
• 26:54
  me and it's straight, it's nice. It's a steed that no one else
• 26:59
  really has. And you're you're if you if
• 27:02
  you're listening to a guilt trick record, you know, it's a
• 27:04
  guilt trick record straight away.
• 27:06
  Whereas opposed to like any medical ban, it could be anyone.
• 27:10
  So yeah, it's, I think, I think what you guys do is sick and
• 27:14
  you've been doing it for nearly as long as we have as well.
• 27:17
  And it's been cool to see. Not quite that long I was going.
• 27:20
  To say not that long. Well, is it 2015 you start?
• 27:23
  Yeah, 2015, 2020, 16, our first release.
• 27:26
  Yeah. So like, well, I said 6-7 years
• 27:28
  like this, you know, like we've kind of come up together and
• 27:32
  especially seeing your growth in the last couple of years has
• 27:35
  been sick to watch because you know, he's been friends for a
• 27:38
  long time. Like Jack has worked in the
• 27:41
  Malevolence warehouse for us for for years.
• 27:43
  I don't know if he still does. Now I think Wilkie sacked.
• 27:47
  Him. Did he get sacked?
• 27:48
  I think not, not sacked, but like he's just touring too much
• 27:52
  to really, yeah, that's sacked, you know, do the job.
• 27:54
  So yeah, I guess he, I guess he got sacked.
• 27:55
  Wilkie was his boss. Yeah, it's got to be so fucking
• 27:59
  funny. Can you imagine?
• 28:01
  I'd love to see, like, in my head, it's just like the office.
• 28:04
  But Wilkie. Yeah, All right.
• 28:06
  You didn't give me one word though, but you gave me a lovely
• 28:08
  answer. Sorry, I didn't realise there
• 28:10
  there was one word. Well, I I thought we just
• 28:11
  thought it was going to be like a quick fire thing, but you gave
• 28:13
  me a delicious answer, so it doesn't matter.
• 28:15
  All right, one word to. I don't know if I can live up
• 28:18
  live up to that I. Know right, he's fucked you a.
• 28:21
  Little bit. One word to describe malevolent.
• 28:23
  I don't know if I can think of one word, but I think like one
• 28:26
  good album, maybe No. Have a great rain of suffering,
• 28:31
  Definitely that. Means he's telling the truth.
• 28:34
  That means he doesn't give a. Fun about that album was like my
• 28:36
  life. Well, it made you all barriers.
• 28:38
  It did. Honestly, it did.
• 28:40
  I have to give credit for that. I think like the album was way
• 28:43
  ahead of its time. I loved it.
• 28:44
  I couldn't believe it. I still can't.
• 28:46
  I listened to it to this day and I'm like, there's no way them
• 28:49
  what wrote this? I just not having it.
• 28:51
  What, because your mates now you're like.
• 28:52
  No, just more like it's a lot different now.
• 28:55
  What? What they're doing?
• 28:56
  Do you think you make the music you wish they'd carry on making?
• 29:01
  No, no, I think I think that was super like real metal.
• 29:05
  Like it you could hear the hardcore influence, but it was
• 29:09
  definitely more metal leaning than we are.
• 29:10
  I think we're primarily like a hardcore band.
• 29:14
  I don't know if people would agree with me, but I.
• 29:16
  Feel like you guys just get called metal.
• 29:17
  I think we get we get a lot of metal core.
• 29:20
  But yeah, I think like obviously they're a big inspiration for us
• 29:24
  to be fair, and it's it's cool being mates with them after, you
• 29:27
  know, looking up to him for years before and we won't have
• 29:30
  had guilt trick without rain or suffering.
• 29:32
  So yeah, but one of our like modern day heroes, I would say,
• 29:36
  and it's sick to like talk with them and.
• 29:38
  You guys are so nice. Anyway, no episode, because that
• 29:41
  was fucking lovely. You should see the comments
• 29:44
  between our band pages, though, because we'd be each other down.
• 29:47
  Yeah, we'd beef each other publicly.
• 29:49
  Like what? I mean there was the video of
• 29:51
  you basically saying what you just said at some festival and
• 29:56
  in the run up to promote this tour I may have made a few
• 29:59
  alterations to the video. Yeah, like super high pitched
• 30:02
  voice and. Without there'd be no guilt trip
• 30:05
  without malevolence. Well, you've got that up and put
• 30:08
  on in there. Yeah, that's kind of funny.
• 30:11
  And nice, yeah, that you you posted something on your
• 30:14
  Instagram the other day put pro in your new single and it just
• 30:16
  so happened to be when you were on stage sound checking.
• 30:19
  So I'm there on the my left page.
• 30:20
  Like never mind fucking posting on Instagram.
• 30:23
  Get your fucking shit off stage so we can sound check.
• 30:25
  Oh, I fucking see, this is what I'm I do miss.
• 30:28
  Everyone always says like what do you miss from the UK and it's
• 30:31
  just the fucking banter. Yeah, because they don't get it
• 30:34
  over here. They don't understand sarcasm,
• 30:36
  not as American knows what sarcasm is.
• 30:43
  Sorry. And she's like kind of becoming
• 30:46
  a little bit British from it. But like general day-to-day, you
• 30:50
  cannot have like just a random bit of banter with a, with like
• 30:53
  someone you're buying coffee or whatever.
• 30:56
  You try and say something and they go where?
• 31:00
  And then you have to explain it was a joke, and then you have to
• 31:02
  explain what the joke was and they go, that's funny.
• 31:05
  I pulled the fucking blinder the other day in a hotel and it was
• 31:08
  just me in an elevator and this weight maid got in the hotel and
• 31:14
  hotel lift and she kept, she kept pressing the wrong buttons
• 31:18
  and I was on the way down. I was just like, it's fine,
• 31:20
  don't worry about it. These lifts, they're, they're a
• 31:22
  bit up and down. Nothing.
• 31:25
  Nothing and I thought that was a fucking scorcher that 1 and in
• 31:29
  the UK that I'd have people in belly stitches but nothing over
• 31:33
  here. I once once shared a elevator
• 31:38
  with Jack Black. Oh, wow.
• 31:40
  He was so very angry. It was actually I was.
• 31:44
  It was somewhere in West Hollywood.
• 31:48
  I played the Whiskey Go Go with vision of disorder.
• 31:52
  I got back to the hotel. I don't know why, why they put
• 31:56
  me in such a nice hotel, but Jack Black comes into the lift
• 32:01
  and he's fucking raging like I've never seen like Bowser, but
• 32:06
  real like fully raging and he's just like like steep, like a
• 32:11
  character like one of his, like his fucking shallow how when
• 32:13
  he's in a bad mood or whatever. He was like fully raging and I,
• 32:18
  I was looking at him. Every bone in my body wanted to
• 32:21
  say not very funny in real life. And I couldn't fucking do it
• 32:25
  because he was raging so much. I'll never know why he was so
• 32:27
  pissed off. I should have done it.
• 32:29
  You. Should have, yeah.
• 32:30
  It's a once in a lifetime opportunity that should.
• 32:32
  Have fucking done it. How's life?
• 32:33
  How you finding life over here? I want to hear.
• 32:36
  What's it like not touring? Yeah, I was.
• 32:39
  What's going on? Thanks guys, not many pick the
• 32:42
  only other person to ask how I'm doing, Mark Morton from Lamb of
• 32:45
  God. My guy, what a fucking legend.
• 32:47
  By the way, I listened to that episode Mark shout out you.
• 32:50
  He's a fucking legend. Lamb of God, I have so much
• 32:53
  respect for those guys because they took us under their wing on
• 32:56
  the last U.S. tour that we did with them.
• 32:58
  And you know we were. When you get a band who it's the
• 33:01
  cliche, you're saying if you meet your idols, then you meet
• 33:03
  him and they're actually sound. He met his idol, yeah.
• 33:06
  Yeah, I don't know about the sound part, but.
• 33:08
  Yeah, don't begging, no, but shout out to Lamb of God because
• 33:12
  I got they were they were very kind to us.
• 33:15
  They were down to hang out and sorry interrupted your point
• 33:18
  but. No, I didn't have a point.
• 33:20
  You asked me how I was doing. Yeah.
• 33:21
  Yeah. And I interrupted you.
• 33:22
  It's fine. What was the Lamb of God tour?
• 33:25
  Oz Mastodon, Lama God and Kerry King.
• 33:31
  Was that reason? 2024 and the 2024 and that was
• 33:34
  that was brutal playing to arenas half an hour after doors
• 33:39
  and not that many people were there.
• 33:41
  So like the shows were terrible. You know the whole experience
• 33:43
  was amazing. Obviously touring with Lama God,
• 33:46
  favorite band of all time, Mastodon great band as well, but
• 33:50
  it was just savage. And and one thing we learnt from
• 33:53
  doing that tour is we kind of skipped a few steps over here in
• 33:57
  America. Whereas on this tour is Ozco
• 34:02
  headlining is our show. And I feel like we we kind of
• 34:07
  built up a bit of a reputation in the US as being like a band
• 34:10
  that kind of skips the queue a little bit and has jumped onto
• 34:13
  the management tours and if you want to call them that.
• 34:16
  And we haven't done the groundwork.
• 34:18
  So This is why it's a conscious effort now to kind of take a bit
• 34:21
  of a step back and try and stand on our own 2 feet a little bit
• 34:25
  instead of just relying on getting on other people's tours.
• 34:29
  Because eventually, you know, like I was saying, 17 years deep
• 34:33
  and we've never done AUS headline tour.
• 34:34
  So it was about time that we just took the plunge.
• 34:37
  And it's this this tour has been the first Test of that really.
• 34:42
  And it's been way better than I thought.
• 34:44
  What's the caps? How many people?
• 34:46
  Like 2 fifties been the smallest I think, and then six hundreds
• 34:50
  the biggest, yeah. So every night's been fun,
• 34:53
  though pretty packed every night to be honest.
• 34:54
  It's been sick and it I've come. I was with the Not Loose guys
• 34:57
  last night and I was talking to Isaac about it and he made the
• 35:00
  point, which I think is very valid, of saying use this as the
• 35:05
  time, use this as the opportunity to play the shows
• 35:09
  that you don't get to play in the UK and the Europe No barrier
• 35:13
  Internet sweat boxes. I was like, yeah, do you know
• 35:16
  what? That's an absolute amazing way
• 35:18
  of looking at it. And we just got to put in the
• 35:20
  groundwork and, and, and kind of take a step back and it's been
• 35:24
  paying off. You know, like the shows have
• 35:25
  been sick, averaging like 3-3 hundred people a night.
• 35:28
  And you know, it's not the biggest tall, but it's fun.
• 35:32
  It's it's a lot of. Everyone's going crazy as well.
• 35:34
  Like, yeah, the, the Canada shows were really sick.
• 35:37
  Yeah, Canada was insane. Like real mushes there and stuff
• 35:40
  like it. It's been sick so far.
• 35:42
  It's been, it's been way better than I thought it was going to
• 35:44
  be. I like one of the things that I
• 35:47
  missed the most in Stray or just one of the things that made me
• 35:51
  realize like fuck, I'm probably, I'm really going to miss this.
• 35:54
  Shame it couldn't be done this way around.
• 35:56
  When we did the last festival run last summer, we did like
• 36:01
  obviously you know, you play fucking grass pop and you play
• 36:04
  Hellfest or any of those things, but in the middle you have to
• 36:07
  play some small places that are within your radius.
• 36:11
  Claws. People that don't know when you
• 36:13
  play a big festival there is a claws that you can't play cities
• 36:18
  X amount of miles outside of the festival.
• 36:21
  So travelling between festivals in the summer you have to hit
• 36:24
  like some of the smallest, weirdest little cities.
• 36:27
  Sort of like touring America. Luxembourg.
• 36:29
  But yeah, like that. But like we played a couple of
• 36:32
  shows that were like 100 cap sold out best fucking shows on
• 36:35
  the tour. Like the next day we played
• 36:36
  mainstage grass pop to fucking 40,000 people.
• 36:40
  But the night before 100 cap with fucking everyone going
• 36:43
  mental. I was like.
• 36:44
  They're the best shows. I would still be in this band if
• 36:48
  the pay was reversed. Like if you got paid shit loads
• 36:52
  to play the fucking no one or like just 100 kids and then you
• 36:56
  got it was cheaper but you got paid.
• 36:58
  Like I'd pay to pay in front of 40,000 people and I should be
• 37:02
  paying you but like small shows. No barrier.
• 37:06
  Yeah, so temp to fucking Isaac's point, you should really should
• 37:10
  like just take advantage of like this is fun.
• 37:13
  Might not be able to do it again.
• 37:14
  If this goes well, I won't be able to do this again.
• 37:16
  Yeah, yeah. And you know, like there's worse
• 37:20
  problems to have then. I mean, even in Louvre last
• 37:22
  night, I think we had 184 people and the venue was massive.
• 37:28
  The vibe was a bit weird because obviously there's fucking all
• 37:31
  this space and like one row of people at the front, but I
• 37:35
  guarantee every single one of them person or every single one
• 37:38
  of them people had a great time. And that's all that matters.
• 37:41
  That's all that matters. I mean, you know, it's, it's
• 37:42
  been a while since we played a show like that and it keeps you
• 37:45
  grounded and keeps showing your toes and like, you can't just be
• 37:49
  a Rockstar everywhere. Is there less pressure when
• 37:53
  there's less people? I find it more daunting.
• 37:56
  It's more scary. I get, I get, I don't really get
• 37:58
  nervous if we play like a packed show.
• 38:01
  But it's when you play till high 10 people, I'm like shit in my
• 38:04
  pants. Really.
• 38:06
  I guess there's more and more eyes that you can physically
• 38:09
  lock eyes with. It's not like a sea.
• 38:11
  Of eyes. I don't know what it is.
• 38:12
  It's weird, man. It's, I think it's like, I don't
• 38:15
  know, it feels like I'm a little bit embarrassed to something
• 38:17
  like, you know, like the they're going to watch him be like he
• 38:22
  can't pull the crowd because he's idiot.
• 38:25
  The best bit of advice anyone ever gave me.
• 38:27
  Like I feel like it was fucking maybe 20 years ago, if you were
• 38:31
  ever playing like a under whelming amount of people
• 38:35
  playing to an underwhelming amount of people is like those
• 38:38
  people are the people who fucking care the most.
• 38:42
  They came, even though it was like, you know, there's not that
• 38:45
  many people that those people came.
• 38:47
  And the minute I started thinking about that, I was like,
• 38:50
  still gave it 100 and. We've played loads of shows to
• 38:53
  like no one. We played to one guy and his dog
• 38:56
  on a tour in 2018 with Judiciary because the promoter.
• 38:59
  We had two shows in the Czech Republic and he got the dates
• 39:02
  back to front. One guy and a dog.
• 39:04
  Yeah, one guy and his dog. Was it a big dog, at least?
• 39:06
  No, it was like, I don't even remember what kind of dog it
• 39:08
  was, but he added it and he was on a lead and he was just going
• 39:11
  crazy. He was so drunk and he was like,
• 39:14
  you know, he didn't know any of the.
• 39:15
  Moshing with his dog. He was trying to mosh, yeah, but
• 39:17
  he was like 50 odd like, But we had to play dude, and he was the
• 39:21
  only one in the room I played. To two people sat down on those
• 39:29
  really high bar stools but at the front of the stage in I'm
• 39:34
  going to butcher it gang gang Zhao China.
• 39:37
  Oh, yeah, we just played there. Did you like last month?
• 39:39
  Was it good? It was sick.
• 39:40
  It was the best show on the tour.
• 39:42
  Yeah, it. Was fucking amazing.
• 39:43
  I played two. Yeah.
• 39:45
  Chinese businessman. Oh bro, just sat.
• 39:48
  There, Maybe the scene over there has just grown since then
• 39:50
  because it was like the best show on that tour, easily.
• 39:53
  It was insane. Yeah.
• 39:54
  It was like 1000 cap venue. We didn't feel it, but.
• 39:57
  How many people? 33 something 400 But it looked,
• 40:01
  it looked they shot the balcony for us, which was generous of
• 40:04
  them. So it looked full on the floor
• 40:06
  and there was no barrier. So that we, we've got a video on
• 40:09
  Tom's Instagram of like there's like 30 kids on the stage to
• 40:13
  step in. And it was.
• 40:14
  Crazy dude. It was it was amazing.
• 40:16
  But we've played a lot of shows to two people.
• 40:18
  I think I went too early this I'm talking this is 2011 maybe.
• 40:22
  So I think the scene was. A long time.
• 40:24
  Two business guys, 2 businessmen on the fucking thing they
• 40:27
  obviously told two other businessmen and IT.
• 40:30
  Grew from there. That's where it starts.
• 40:32
  You started that scene bro. You're welcome.
• 40:34
  I wonder where they are now. Did you do Shanghai and Beijing?
• 40:38
  No, we didn't. We just did the one showing.
• 40:40
  Because Shanghai and Beijing were like fucking crazy.
• 40:44
  So if that's what's going on there.
• 40:46
  I think maybe that's why it was so good, because we only had The
• 40:49
  One Show there, so people from them cities maybe made the
• 40:51
  journey. Where else did you do on the
• 40:53
  Asian Tour? We played Vietnam, which was
• 40:56
  amazing. Fuck yeah.
• 40:57
  We played good food, Taiwan, which was sick.
• 40:59
  Every show was great. Singapore.
• 41:01
  Damn, you did some fucking out there one.
• 41:04
  Yeah, we did. It was a lot of fun mate.
• 41:05
  It was a great time and and we loved trying the different
• 41:08
  cuisine and stuff. We've never been to China.
• 41:10
  I'd love to go. Yeah, I really would.
• 41:11
  We've only ever done one Asia tour back in 2018, I want to
• 41:17
  say, and we did Singapore, Thailand.
• 41:20
  We did Thailand too. What'd you do in Thailand, boys?
• 41:23
  Bangkok. Not a lot because it was a
• 41:26
  party. We we, we went to.
• 41:28
  I remember we went to like a bar on the river.
• 41:30
  The tour was one of them where we were flying every single day
• 41:33
  and we were so jet lagged. We did South Korea jealous.
• 41:37
  We did an island in the Philippines called me.
• 41:41
  Went swimming with whale sharks. Hate crocodile.
• 41:44
  Oh. I remember this era because
• 41:47
  fucking Wilkie was posting about it like like an influencer.
• 41:50
  Oh yeah, I mean. You, you mean to tell me Wilkie
• 41:54
  wasn't out on a little fucking snake around Bangkok?
• 41:57
  No, no, Oh shit, everyone that I don't want 11.
• 42:01
  Funny story we do have from that though is when we went to South
• 42:05
  Korea. I can't remember where we'd
• 42:08
  flown in from, but the flight, everybody was under the
• 42:12
  impression the flight was around 7 or 8 hours.
• 42:14
  Turned out to be two, but everybody was so jet lag, so
• 42:17
  exhausted, that everyone except me took a sleeping tablet for
• 42:21
  the plane. Obviously we went up, we're
• 42:23
  flying and then within like 45 minutes we're coming down and
• 42:27
  I'm having to wake up the rest of the band.
• 42:29
  And Charlie, it was so hot on this flight, he'd got down into
• 42:33
  his boxes. On the plane.
• 42:35
  Everybody was like unconscious, like dribbling.
• 42:38
  I'm like, yo, we're landing now. Everybody wake up.
• 42:41
  Boxes on the plane. I'm sorry.
• 42:42
  Yeah, some madness, but it was it was the flight was red hot.
• 42:48
  To be fair to him, even still kind of bookie, but yeah, we got
• 42:53
  there, we landed, we met the Rep and he took us back to wherever
• 42:56
  we were staying and the whole band was just like comatose and
• 43:00
  like couldn't even function. Con was like dribbling in the
• 43:03
  taxi on the way back to his gaffe.
• 43:04
  Were they drinking as well or just?
• 43:07
  Yeah, everybody, everybody was drinking I think around that
• 43:09
  time. Drinking and sleeping tablets,
• 43:11
  Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah.
• 43:12
  So you don't die, you get down to your boxes.
• 43:15
  And then but we've ended up playing this show in in South
• 43:18
  Korea and he was sick, but none of the lads remember it.
• 43:22
  But you didn't get to spend time in any of these places.
• 43:24
  That was the one thing that I didn't like.
• 43:26
  Yeah. Because when they book.
• 43:27
  It and you just gets every day after the show, but it's it's
• 43:31
  super like they're so accommodating the promoters and
• 43:33
  stuff. I feel like if they didn't have
• 43:35
  to do that, they definitely wouldn't like they won't let us
• 43:37
  pay for anything. They would.
• 43:39
  They were super nice for those, but it's just the fact that you
• 43:41
  don't really get to experience the cities I.
• 43:43
  Think I would. If I was doing it again, I would
• 43:45
  just do show day, day off in the next city.
• 43:50
  Like, I don't mind going straight to the fucking airport
• 43:52
  after the show and then go to the new city, wake up and then
• 43:56
  spend that evening there, Yeah. That's that's what we're
• 43:59
  planning for the next, the next run.
• 44:01
  When we go over there, we're gonna have like a solid block of
• 44:04
  time in between the shows to, you know, go out and enjoy it.
• 44:06
  And it's a fucking holiday. I think it's a place you need to
• 44:09
  have time to experience as well, like there's so much to see and
• 44:13
  do. And it's such a good
• 44:14
  opportunity. It's like the, I think that as a
• 44:16
  person, like as a musician, I think the first one of the first
• 44:20
  times I was like, oh, I've made it was first show in America.
• 44:25
  And then the other one was Japan.
• 44:27
  Like when you go to Japan and play a show, it's like fucking
• 44:30
  cool, even though there's 50 people there the first time.
• 44:34
  Yeah, yeah, someone else is willing to pay you to go to
• 44:36
  their country. That's when you do really feel
• 44:38
  like you are on the other side of the world because like when
• 44:42
  we went, nobody really spoke English.
• 44:45
  I, I found it quite overwhelming in Tokyo just because, you know,
• 44:51
  it's ignorance on my part, thinking I could go there and
• 44:54
  maybe like there'd be some signs for the, for the stupid little
• 44:58
  English, English guy who doesn't speak Japanese, but no.
• 45:01
  And I've and if anything, it was kind of sick going to somewhere
• 45:06
  like that and it'd just been such a cool culture.
• 45:09
  Show I love that. It's like being on an alien
• 45:11
  planet. Yeah, no English anywhere.
• 45:13
  Yeah, and it just felt like I'm in a giant playground,
• 45:17
  especially into inside in downtown Tokyo.
• 45:19
  It's. We didn't, we didn't get to do
• 45:21
  Japan, unfortunately. We we stopped in Bangkok.
• 45:24
  But yeah, I'd love to, I'd love to go to Japan.
• 45:25
  Some of the guys have been on that holiday, but I've never
• 45:28
  been. And the band's best place in the
• 45:29
  fucking world. Yeah, it looks amazing.
• 45:31
  Number one thing I miss about being in a band is playing
• 45:34
  Japan. Yeah.
• 45:35
  Anyway, how am I? Yeah, I'm good.
• 45:37
  Yeah. We went from.
• 45:40
  How are you doing? What was your question?
• 45:42
  How are you enjoying America? Yeah.
• 45:43
  What's going on? What's new?
• 45:44
  Like? Yeah.
• 45:45
  Love it, it's good. Last time I saw you were in
• 45:48
  Glasgow so. We were, yeah.
• 45:50
  It's a lot warmer here. How you finding the heat, the
• 45:53
  humidity? Fucking love it.
• 45:55
  I'm sweating my ass. I'm.
• 45:56
  Sorry, they don't, they don't put the AC on until it's like
• 46:00
  people will die if you don't put the AC on.
• 46:02
  So the last that be like fucking June the 1st, it will go on.
• 46:06
  Yeah, it's good. I miss UK banter.
• 46:09
  Yeah, miss UK some some snacks. What's your most missed snack?
• 46:16
  Like biscuits, just like a normal biscuit, like a fucking
• 46:20
  like boring, like a hobnob. You miss Hobnobs.
• 46:23
  Fuck yeah, Miss Hobbs. Biscuits are good though, I feel
• 46:25
  like you under under appreciate them until cream eggs you ain't
• 46:28
  got them anymore. I miss cream.
• 46:29
  It tis the season right now. Apparently they're here.
• 46:31
  We've had cream eggs here, we've had them here, we had them the
• 46:34
  other day in Nevada. Fuck, we had like a pack of like
• 46:36
  little ones. What snacks did I make you eat
• 46:38
  last summer in the UK? I'm trying to think what really
• 46:41
  means about mini Cheddar's. What were the alien dudes
• 46:45
  called? Oh space Raiders alien dudes
• 46:47
  love that. I miss like space.
• 46:49
  I miss like bullshit our bullshit snacks.
• 46:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chocolate Cadbury's.
• 46:53
  You know what? There's no, they don't have many
• 46:55
  good chocolate bars there, I've noticed every time.
• 46:57
  No, they can't. If it's like you've got
• 47:00
  Hershey's and. Oison.
• 47:03
  Yeah, what's to be fair? Pieces, pieces over here.
• 47:07
  Yeah, pretty. They're sick, but it's not.
• 47:09
  Imagine a Reese's Pieces, Reese's piece, a Reese's cup,
• 47:14
  but it's fucking Dairy Milk. Imagine that.
• 47:17
  Imagine, if you will, a Dairy Milk Reese's.
• 47:20
  It'd be fucking amazing. Yeah.
• 47:22
  Other than that, yeah, pretty good.
• 47:23
  Just moved out. Still in the process of moving
• 47:25
  house right now. Are you a Weedsman?
• 47:28
  No, honestly, I can't hack it. And there was a time where I I
• 47:34
  could and it was very good for me to mellow out.
• 47:38
  But nowadays, no, I just can't hack it.
• 47:42
  I had the point certified to me on the pain of truth,
• 47:44
  counterparts told last year. Because pain of truth, they're
• 47:47
  like a smoke. And they got on their bus and we
• 47:51
  were all piled on their bandwagon, just chilling one
• 47:53
  night after the show and Michael hands me a joint and I was like,
• 47:57
  yeah, fuck yeah. I mean, I saw I was smoking a
• 47:59
  little bit, had two drugs. Bad idea.
• 48:02
  I had to go and immediately left their bandwagon, went to our
• 48:05
  bandwagon, got in my bum, shot my curtain with a tub of ice
• 48:08
  cream and just put some like very happy YouTube video on for
• 48:11
  a little bit. Is that the last time you
• 48:12
  smoked? That was the last time I smoked.
• 48:14
  I had one of those as well. I was just like, this is not
• 48:16
  fun. No, what the fuck is this?
• 48:18
  Hello Anxiety. Are you straight edge?
• 48:20
  No, I don't. I don't.
• 48:21
  Smoke weed though. You're the only weeder in here,
• 48:24
  Madison. No one ever comes on and smokes
• 48:27
  that. I'm like you.
• 48:28
  Yeah, she will smoke. She will smoke anyone up, but
• 48:31
  they never do. I think Cody Ash was the only
• 48:33
  one that smoked it up. Jelly Rolls Drummer.
• 48:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's sick. I've only just discovered him on
• 48:39
  Instagram and I like great drummer.
• 48:41
  Yeah, I've, I've really enjoyed his videos giving it the whole
• 48:44
  the old Stone Cold Steve Austin with the beer cans.
• 48:46
  It's very American, very over the top.
• 48:48
  That's why everyone's like, are you going to join a country
• 48:50
  band? I'm like, I'm British, I'll do
• 48:53
  it, I'll do it. What kind of music would you
• 48:56
  want to play? And I asked this for a reason,
• 48:58
  OK? Because I may be on the lookout
• 49:00
  for a drummer. Yeah, you had to put a dig in.
• 49:04
  No, that wasn't even a dig. I can't realize that.
• 49:06
  Came across like a dig, but it wasn't.
• 49:08
  If I was doing it what? Just for fun.
• 49:10
  If you if you could just write something for fun with say some
• 49:15
  someone like me and maybe someone from say not loose.
• 49:18
  For example, this is another, this is an Isaac band, maybe
• 49:22
  because me and Isaac said we do a band a million times.
• 49:25
  Is it the My Sugar one? Because I'll do it.
• 49:26
  No, I'm not trying to write my sugar bro.
• 49:28
  What you trying to write in? I'm trying to write something
• 49:31
  fun and just hardcore and maybe a little bit ignorant but fun
• 49:35
  and fast. I mean, that's what I would like
• 49:37
  to do fun stuff like that. Like I would love to do
• 49:40
  something black metal. I'd love to do something
• 49:42
  hardcore. I'd love to do something death
• 49:44
  metal. But like, just little projects.
• 49:46
  Yeah. But like, I don't have it in me
• 49:48
  to be like, I'm starting a black metal band and then be like, I
• 49:52
  hope we tall with Behemoth. It's like, I'd love to do little
• 49:55
  fun projects. I'm definitely in, by the way.
• 49:57
  Yeah. But you heard it.
• 50:01
  We're supposed to be doing the sugar band now.
• 50:02
  You keep the same fucking band. Don't listen to him.
• 50:04
  How does it feel not touring? Oh, that's what you asked me.
• 50:08
  Yeah. Fucking sick, to be fair.
• 50:09
  Yeah. Like, I do definitely want to
• 50:14
  join another band. Yeah.
• 50:16
  But there's little things like I had to go somewhere last week.
• 50:20
  Oh my God, just I know, right? And I was like, I was packing
• 50:24
  shit up to go and I wasn't gone for like 3 days, but I was like
• 50:27
  packing a bag to go and I was like, this fucking sucks.
• 50:31
  Like having to remember all my shit.
• 50:33
  And I was like, God, I don't miss that part of it.
• 50:35
  Once you're on the tour. I used to hate the day before
• 50:39
  the tour and I used to hate the last day of tour and then I'd
• 50:42
  love the tour. But like, I hate the packing day
• 50:44
  and I hate the. Airports if you got to fly
• 50:47
  somewhere. Hate it over the night.
• 50:49
  I like it all but the airports are the worst.
• 50:51
  Airports when you're doing a long tour where sometimes, like
• 50:55
  sometimes it's warm and sometimes it's cold too, and you
• 50:58
  don't have enough space in your fucking suitcase for your
• 51:00
  jacket. That has been wear this jacket.
• 51:02
  This tour we started in Canada. It was like -7 and now I'm down
• 51:06
  here and I've got like, nothing. I only brought my puffer jacket
• 51:10
  so I'm wearing that in like Kentucky.
• 51:12
  That's what I mean. Where?
• 51:13
  And you're wearing it in the airport as well, sweating your
• 51:15
  fucking tits off. Yeah, so I do miss.
• 51:19
  I miss it. But like, I would even want to
• 51:23
  build some in from scratch that I would just do for fun, like a
• 51:28
  bat, a new band or whatever, be do something fucking weird with
• 51:31
  no aspirations of like, we're going to be the biggest band in
• 51:34
  the world because I'm fucking 39 so I'm not a fucking idiot or I
• 51:38
  would love to just jump ship into something massive.
• 51:42
  Yeah, wouldn't we all? But like, do you know what I
• 51:44
  mean? Like because I do miss just
• 51:47
  playing the drums in general, I miss touring.
• 51:51
  I miss making music probably the most, but I do miss touring.
• 51:55
  But I'm at a stage in my life where I can't go and make a band
• 52:00
  that does like 3 to 500 caps. No less than that. 200 caps
• 52:05
  because it would stop the podcast, it would stop
• 52:07
  everything else. So I'll do like, a payday gig,
• 52:10
  and I've been offered some, but like, still has to be at the
• 52:15
  limit of, like, how I want to be in this band.
• 52:18
  Yeah, because I could do a country gig, but I don't want to
• 52:22
  do the hanging out with country people that is required to get
• 52:25
  that gig. How dare I'm have to go down a
• 52:29
  Slim Jim Saloon, start rubbing elbows with people and be like
• 52:33
  I'm a drummer partner. I think there's something, I
• 52:37
  mean, I was listening to a podcast with Jelly Roll and he
• 52:41
  was talking about how he wrote his last album and because he's
• 52:44
  rowing in Nashville and how he described the whole writing
• 52:47
  process of getting 30 incredibly talented people in a room and
• 52:52
  you just jam that. That's country.
• 52:55
  That's not metal. No, but Can you imagine doing
• 52:58
  trans trying to translate that into the metal world?
• 53:00
  That could either be a fucking nightmare or absolutely fucking
• 53:03
  sick. Kind of do it though.
• 53:05
  All those metal core bands that are like not really like post
• 53:09
  metal or whatever you want to call it.
• 53:10
  Have a look on those credits. It's about 10 people, all from
• 53:14
  different fucking. They're already doing it.
• 53:15
  They're already fucking in there.
• 53:17
  So yeah, I'll do a payday. Anyone even got payday for me,
• 53:20
  we're just talking about you've been doing it 10 years, you've
• 53:22
  been doing it 17. Are you where you want to be?
• 53:25
  Like are you at the point you want to be or?
• 53:27
  You think you never do what you do, like as soon as you get to
• 53:30
  where you want it to be last year, you want to be somewhere
• 53:32
  else. Yeah, I'll be fucking dead if I
• 53:33
  was not to be satisfied. I'm just trying to be in like I
• 53:36
  think Wilkie said this last time he was on.
• 53:37
  I'm just trying to be in business class, at least to
• 53:40
  travel. Then you know I'm chilling.
• 53:43
  Once you've done it, it's very hard to come back from yeah,
• 53:46
  you've done it yet done a lie flat yet?
• 53:48
  No, no, it's like MDMA. Once you've done MDMA, you will
• 53:54
  never feel true happiness because you felt you felt 100.
• 53:59
  You felt chemical 100% happiness and the world goes slightly dull
• 54:03
  forever. I've heard.
• 54:06
  But like business classes, like once you've done that, once you
• 54:08
  pop that business class, Molly fucking the normal plane is.
• 54:13
  I can believe it. But it's too expensive, which
• 54:16
  I'll do it rarely when I have like the miles or whatever the
• 54:18
  move is at the end of the tour when you've got all that money
• 54:22
  and you feel like a fucking millionaire is you go up to the
• 54:25
  gate and you go, is there any seats left in business class?
• 54:28
  And if there's like 3, I'll go. Yeah, you can have it for like
• 54:30
  £700. That's pretty safe.
• 54:32
  We, I've only ever done that once and I said I'll just chance
• 54:35
  to stay at the gate and I said have you got any upgrades
• 54:37
  available today? And they moved three of us up to
• 54:40
  premium economy. We've got a little bit of them
• 54:43
  wider. Seems pretty good.
• 54:45
  Yeah, I'd say that I got a foot rest, wider seat, metal knife
• 54:49
  and fork, you know. What would be the fucking best?
• 54:52
  Like a like a heritage new metal band?
• 54:56
  Oh yeah. Like give me a fucking Limp
• 54:58
  Bizkit or something. Yeah, imagine.
• 55:01
  Yeah. Be fucking incredible.
• 55:02
  So much fun. Speaking of new metal, how'd the
• 55:05
  fucking POD thing come about? I I wore APOD shirt for one of
• 55:09
  our shows. It was Yarrow on air in Europe.
• 55:12
  Not very familiar, but great. He is sick.
• 55:14
  We played it two years in a row, which was sick, but I had APOD
• 55:17
  shirt on and he commented on a video we put up.
• 55:19
  He was like Nasha. So we, we just deemed him and we
• 55:23
  were like, do you want to do something?
• 55:26
  And he were like, yeah, I'd love to.
• 55:28
  So we, we, it was the last track on our record that came
• 55:31
  together, but it was like we didn't know what to expect.
• 55:36
  So we just, you know, we wrote, we wrote like a chorus for it
• 55:39
  and sent it to him and he killed it.
• 55:41
  Who did sound sick. So I'm really excited for people
• 55:43
  to hear that. I've not even heard it.
• 55:45
  Oh mate, I'll, I'll, I'll show you.
• 55:47
  Bluetooth at me after. Yeah, I will do.
• 55:49
  But yeah. Bluetooth at me.
• 55:51
  I wonder if you ever get like here's a question for both of
• 55:54
  you. You ever get like like a mush
• 55:57
  call goes wrong because your accent?
• 55:59
  Oh, all the time. Mate.
• 56:02
  I trip over my own words. I do it all the time.
• 56:04
  You know what? Recently I've had a massive
• 56:06
  problem with voice breaks. Really.
• 56:08
  Yeah. Big, big time.
• 56:10
  So like every show on this tour, I've done it.
• 56:12
  And it'll be like, you know, I'm trying to give the artist mosh
• 56:16
  call of all time. Give me a mosh call.
• 56:17
  So the other day we were like, I can't remember what show it was.
• 56:21
  I think it was maybe Baltimore. I was like, make someone fucking
• 56:23
  bleed. But I said make someone fucking
• 56:26
  bleed. It just came out, but you went
• 56:28
  so bad. Someone fucking.
• 56:30
  Yeah, yeah, it was terrible. It was kind of sick sometimes.
• 56:33
  And then? I saw the video of it, it was
• 56:35
  fucking terrible. Major.
• 56:37
  It happens though. Like, are you stumble in your
• 56:40
  words? Yeah.
• 56:42
  I don't know why I do it. I do it.
• 56:44
  I mean I'm doing it on the podcast, but I just my brain
• 56:49
  goes faster than my mouth. Once you go to more school, you
• 56:52
  got any silly ones? Not really.
• 56:54
  I mean, Jack's been taking the piss out of me now.
• 56:57
  So he says make someone bleed every night on on stage.
• 57:00
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, That's funny. Which is pretty funny.
• 57:03
  Yeah, we can all just take the piss out of me.
• 57:04
  It's funny. Are you like, are you planning
• 57:07
  the Marshall? No, people like this.
• 57:09
  I don't know about that. Self deprecating.
• 57:11
  Oh, no, we, we you're gonna ask if we're planning mush calls?
• 57:14
  Yeah, We'll never. We'll really will.
• 57:17
  Wilkie is quite good for like dropping and like just as we're
• 57:20
  about to go on stage, he's like, yo Alex, we're in Montreal
• 57:23
  tonight. Mosh call for you.
• 57:25
  This is your new Montreality. And I'm like, OK.
• 57:29
  And then you said it. I say it, yeah.
• 57:36
  And then we used to do a thing as well for a little bit where
• 57:38
  I'll be like, give me any word, I'll drop it into the set.
• 57:42
  Oh, we used to do that in biotropy back in the day.
• 57:44
  Yeah, that was the weirdest 1. I don't want to say Charlie's
• 57:47
  giving me one that's like corporations or something like
• 57:50
  that. Oh, that's easy.
• 57:52
  You could be like fuck those big corporations, kill someone,
• 57:55
  whatever. No.
• 57:58
  So you you plan yours and you don't.
• 57:59
  No, I don't plan anything that I do.
• 58:01
  I just get up there. I don't even know, like, I'm
• 58:04
  going to come out in the zone. Yeah, but I feel like none of us
• 58:07
  do that. Jack usually, like, sees how far
• 58:10
  I can push the boundary on, like what names he can call people in
• 58:13
  the crowd. And then the worse it gets, like
• 58:15
  the, you know, the more he'll do it, like.
• 58:18
  But other than that, we don't. We don't really plan that kind
• 58:20
  of stuff. I just say say whatever I kind
• 58:23
  of want to and have a voice break and then piss taken out of
• 58:26
  me for. Call the call the city by the
• 58:28
  wrong city. Yeah, I called, I called
• 58:30
  Pittsburgh Philly the other night and I feel like I don't, I
• 58:34
  don't know if it's worse to like address it on.
• 58:37
  I addressed it. I was like, oops, sorry, but I
• 58:40
  feel like I should have just played it off.
• 58:42
  But like I said, Pittsburgh maybe 100 times and it was the
• 58:46
  last, the last breakdown. Yeah.
• 58:49
  I was like showing me Philly. Oops.
• 58:51
  Yeah, I feel like that one you could have got away with.
• 58:54
  It but I feel like that's got that's got to be bad.
• 58:56
  It's the same the same state, so you surely the same big rivalry
• 59:00
  there, but. You could have styled it off as.
• 59:03
  Didn't style it. I'm pretty.
• 59:04
  Sure, like old English a Philly as a girl.
• 59:07
  Yeah, I was thinking, is there anything right?
• 59:09
  Sure. It kind of sounds like Philly,
• 59:10
  but. And then you can imagine that
• 59:12
  you started off as that and then you get cancelled.
• 59:14
  Yeah, well, you know, I can't win, but yeah, that's, that's
• 59:17
  not. I've had a lot of embarrassing
• 59:19
  moments on this tour, to be honest.
• 59:20
  You see him in a good sport about them though.
• 59:22
  Yeah, fun it. Happens, don't it?
• 59:23
  You're getting up there in front of people, like stuff's about to
• 59:26
  go around at some point. I like that though.
• 59:28
  I like the humility. I'm just expressing myself, man.
• 59:31
  Yeah, you sometimes. Doing a bloody good job, isn't
• 59:33
  he? Doing well.
• 59:34
  He's doing, I feel like he's. Like your protege?
• 59:39
  Nah, I think he's he's bigger than that.
• 59:42
  It's just Co headliner Co headlines man shows each same
• 59:46
  manager. Yep, yeah.
• 59:49
  OK. That's interesting.
• 59:51
  Was there any talk of like, now we're headlining or no?
• 59:55
  Honestly, no, I didn't feel like we weren't bothered.
• 59:58
  We just wanted to do it with with these guys.
• 1:00:01
  So we didn't care if we did it or they did it, that that was
• 1:00:05
  our take on it. We just wanted to do it.
• 1:00:07
  Same. And like that was they they did
• 1:00:09
  the Kublai contour. When was that?
• 1:00:11
  Last year? Last September, and obviously
• 1:00:14
  they've just popped over here, so it just made sense.
• 1:00:18
  And if anything, since we've been on the tour, it's been the
• 1:00:21
  battle of who is mainly. Support Main supports the slot
• 1:00:24
  on this tour. Yeah, You know what?
• 1:00:26
  They keep putting the They keep putting whoever's headlining on
• 1:00:29
  it, like 11:00 PM on a weekday. What?
• 1:00:32
  Is this Italy? Like, no one wants to do that.
• 1:00:34
  So it's like, you know, even if you were, you know, like an
• 1:00:38
  established massive American band, people are still going to
• 1:00:40
  leave. No one wants to stay up that
• 1:00:42
  late finishing at midnight. The main The main supports on
• 1:00:46
  this tour as. As in, that's the one that you
• 1:00:47
  want. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:00:48
  We got it tonight and. Also, and you know, I'd like to
• 1:00:51
  be in bed early so I'm getting better.
• 1:00:53
  Love the transport. We're in a bandwagon.
• 1:00:55
  Which? Is in it.
• 1:00:56
  We've just got a van in the trailer.
• 1:00:57
  I mean a bandwagon on what, 300 cap venues?
• 1:01:02
  You, you losing money my friend. Yeah, good for you though.
• 1:01:05
  Comfortable. Do you know what van they
• 1:01:08
  honestly, we've I'm 17 years deep in this now and I have
• 1:01:13
  loads of respect for like you guys doing it, how you do.
• 1:01:16
  I'm roughing it because we've done it.
• 1:01:18
  But I'm just, I'm at an age now where I just at least want to be
• 1:01:23
  able to. Because when we were looking at
• 1:01:25
  it honestly, when we're before the tour, we were like, maybe we
• 1:01:28
  should just cost this up to do it in a van because yeah, we are
• 1:01:32
  losing money. And when it costed it up I was
• 1:01:34
  like, is this minor Saving with our sanity?
• 1:01:38
  We did that on the last tour about a bus, Same thing.
• 1:01:42
  Like I'd, I'd rather lose money. Yeah, I'd rather lose money.
• 1:01:47
  People don't know a bandwagon is between a van and a bus.
• 1:01:52
  It's like an RVI fucking love. Them.
• 1:01:54
  Yeah. It's this sick.
• 1:01:55
  They're sick. And the only downside is when
• 1:01:57
  they're moving, they're the most uncomfortable things to sleep in
• 1:02:00
  overnight because it's just, it's effectively a box truck
• 1:02:03
  that's been turned into a tour bus stained suspension.
• 1:02:06
  What's your bunk? A middle.
• 1:02:08
  I'm fucked up bro Why? What?
• 1:02:10
  What's your bunk recommendation Bottom?
• 1:02:13
  Nah, that's the impact zone. No.
• 1:02:15
  Your chest, Your chest in your spine is the is the the next
• 1:02:19
  rung of the suspension. You're closer to the centre of
• 1:02:22
  gravity. Yeah, so like the swervings not
• 1:02:25
  as bad on the bottom, Yeah, but the suspensions.
• 1:02:27
  The top is definitely the worst. Yeah, crew goes in the top.
• 1:02:30
  Or filling drummers. Poor fucking bastard.
• 1:02:33
  I'm sorry, Daria. Monster Artist.
• 1:02:35
  Monster Artist. Yeah, just just recently.
• 1:02:39
  These mother fuckers with the waters chairs.
• 1:02:41
  Some of us are committed to the fucking thing.
• 1:02:44
  We got to talk about your boss the the fucking buses that
• 1:02:47
  you've done with Monster. Yes, yes, the the bad boy whips.
• 1:02:51
  It's so I don't know how you guys get away with doing like
• 1:02:56
  essentially stuff that's just fucking cheesy and funny because
• 1:03:00
  it's just sick when you do it. You had a bus, a tour bus,
• 1:03:04
  massive logo and then pictures of all your faces like a fucking
• 1:03:09
  boy band. Yeah, it looked like an advert
• 1:03:11
  for Fast and Furious. Yeah, explosions and breaking.
• 1:03:15
  Glass and which should be lame, but it's the sickest thing I've
• 1:03:18
  ever seen. I think in.
• 1:03:18
  Life User, the only light band in the space that could pull it
• 1:03:21
  off. To be honest, I don't think it'd
• 1:03:23
  have the same effect. We like someone else.
• 1:03:25
  I I agree. Why do you why do you think that
• 1:03:28
  is? I think, I don't know, I guess
• 1:03:29
  just like we were saying this on the way down as well, like just
• 1:03:33
  very unique metal band don't. Take.
• 1:03:35
  Yourself serious, you know it's not I don't know, I think it's
• 1:03:38
  it's serious but like. You think of Fast and Furious I.
• 1:03:41
  Couldn't imagine fat. Yeah, I mean, I see that and I'm
• 1:03:43
  like, it's pretty sick to be, to be honest.
• 1:03:46
  But you know, I couldn't imagine 5 moshers on the side of a bus,
• 1:03:50
  but the you know, they don't look like 5 moshers.
• 1:03:52
  So I think it look, I think. It's great.
• 1:03:53
  I can't figure out if it's tongue in cheek or if you guys
• 1:03:56
  are like this is fucking I. Think it's sick?
• 1:03:59
  Honestly, bit of both. Yeah, and I think that's why it
• 1:04:01
  works. Do you know what started it all
• 1:04:03
  off is back to what we were saying earlier about the Never
• 1:04:06
  Say Die tours and the Hell on Earth tours that used to come
• 1:04:08
  through Sheffield and Lamb of God tours.
• 1:04:11
  And then we're going down to them venues in Sheffield and
• 1:04:14
  seeing the Lamb of God tour bus rap and thinking for me, these
• 1:04:18
  guys own their own tour bus that is sick.
• 1:04:21
  Little did I know, obviously. Monster rap.
• 1:04:23
  Yeah, yeah, still sick and and we would Wilkie came up with the
• 1:04:27
  idea one day and was just like, maybe we should rap the tour
• 1:04:30
  bus. And then we were with Scorp from
• 1:04:32
  Monster. Legends.
• 1:04:34
  Shout out Scorp. And he was just like yeah, let's
• 1:04:39
  do it. Let's let's just.
• 1:04:40
  And then I was and then me and Wilkie were spit.
• 1:04:42
  Well, like what could we put on this bus?
• 1:04:44
  Like obviously the logo. Yeah.
• 1:04:46
  And I was like, well, should we put our faces on it and like,
• 1:04:49
  it's fucking sick yeah, we could do that.
• 1:04:52
  Could we do that? We could do that.
• 1:04:53
  Let's do. That and it's so crazy that you
• 1:04:55
  could, you can do that and you're the only band in the
• 1:04:58
  world that could do that with the faces on the side and be
• 1:05:00
  like, that's fucking awesome. Yeah, I mean, it's a bit of fun
• 1:05:04
  and it it's especially funny when you're driving onto like
• 1:05:08
  the Kali to Dover Ferry and you you've got families just stood.
• 1:05:14
  Staring and then you get off the game.
• 1:05:16
  Massive head and I get off blurry.
• 1:05:19
  I just got out of bed in me boxer shorts and they're like,
• 1:05:24
  that's not the same guy. Oh, it is the same guy.
• 1:05:26
  The same. Guy, you get more autographs
• 1:05:28
  because of it. You get random people getting
• 1:05:31
  your autograph. No, just people taking photos
• 1:05:33
  like when you pull it up to like the M25 service station and this
• 1:05:38
  massive. Corby.
• 1:05:39
  Is it? Well, that's the good one.
• 1:05:42
  Fucking bangers, dropping, dropping some game.
• 1:05:44
  Yeah, one of the fucking Nandos in it.
• 1:05:46
  It's the best one. Yeah, that is a good.
• 1:05:48
  One that is. That is the shit.
• 1:05:49
  Is a good one. Sorry no no, it's just fucking
• 1:05:53
  hilarious seeing like 5 massive heads pull up to a service
• 1:05:58
  station, everyone just starts filming it expecting some some
• 1:06:02
  famous people to get off and just five moshers from Sheffield
• 1:06:05
  pile off. It's fucking cool how like
• 1:06:07
  Monster get involved with that shit.
• 1:06:10
  Yeah, they've been great with us, honestly.
• 1:06:12
  It's been good with us so far as well.
• 1:06:14
  We've only been there short time and they've.
• 1:06:16
  You got any fucking door bus plans?
• 1:06:17
  For us, no. Yeah, we, we, we, they actually
• 1:06:21
  kindly invited us down to the Tottenham stadium a couple of
• 1:06:25
  weeks ago, saw that we had a little day out, a courtesy of
• 1:06:27
  Monster, went and watched some terrible football.
• 1:06:32
  But you know, the whole experience was, was amazing If
• 1:06:35
  it made us feel very welcome. They've, they've, they've
• 1:06:37
  always, they've, they've had a lot of time for, for both of us
• 1:06:40
  and been very, very supportive. And it's very nice because it
• 1:06:44
  hasn't felt forced at all. It's been very genuine.
• 1:06:46
  So. Yeah, they're they're always
• 1:06:49
  like that light's too big and I'm not.
• 1:06:52
  I like my light and they're like, you could low key it a bit
• 1:06:54
  and I'm like, no, I like my light.
• 1:06:56
  I see they're going to downsize my life too, Too obvious.
• 1:06:59
  I fucking love. This shit, it looks great.
• 1:07:02
  Have you got like a plan? Because he's done the bus, he's
• 1:07:05
  done the bus. Yeah, we're doing.
• 1:07:07
  We're trying to do a bus tour at the end of the year, so let's
• 1:07:10
  see what we say. Yeah, we'll wrap it.
• 1:07:12
  We'll see if we can put our faces on it or if it just looks
• 1:07:15
  terrible. For us, I mean, you could do it.
• 1:07:17
  I. Think we maybe, maybe we could
• 1:07:19
  pull it off. Yeah, but The thing is this is
• 1:07:21
  like that bit we don't a bit in Inception.
• 1:07:25
  I mean, it's like I will break up my father's empire, and it's
• 1:07:27
  like, you don't want to be doing what he.
• 1:07:29
  Did No, we we want our own little take on it.
• 1:07:31
  You want to better it? Yeah, well, maybe not better it,
• 1:07:33
  but like, do something sick. So.
• 1:07:35
  But not not a better copying word for word.
• 1:07:37
  Better it if you give it a go. Yeah, I think maybe we'll give
• 1:07:41
  it a go. Yeah, man.
• 1:07:43
  OK, So what just happened is we had a little break and Alex said
• 1:07:49
  am I having a good time? Actually, I said are you having
• 1:07:51
  a good time? I said yes and then he said, am
• 1:07:53
  I am in a good time? I said a moment, a great time
• 1:07:55
  and you said. And I said, sometimes you're
• 1:07:57
  hard to read. And in what way?
• 1:07:59
  In the sense that sometimes I'll be telling a story and I'm like,
• 1:08:05
  is this interesting? Is this funny?
• 1:08:07
  And what by my facial expressions?
• 1:08:10
  I mean, I've, I think that about myself anyway, but yeah, yeah,
• 1:08:13
  sometimes you'd be hard to read. Do you know what I think it
• 1:08:15
  might be more. It's an element of that diva
• 1:08:18
  energy that we've discussed. In the past in my diva or your
• 1:08:21
  diva. Your diva.
• 1:08:22
  What about my fucking diva energy?
• 1:08:25
  What about it? What?
• 1:08:27
  What did we discuss before? I can't remember.
• 1:08:28
  Don't you remember, like the the whole thing was me calling you
• 1:08:31
  out for being a diva on the BWP tour.
• 1:08:34
  I can't remember it. My God, fucking say it again.
• 1:08:38
  What happened? There wasn't even that much of A
• 1:08:39
  point on the first time, but you took it very.
• 1:08:41
  I feel like you latched onto it and I meant no offence by it.
• 1:08:45
  I mean I am a diva. Yeah, but.
• 1:08:48
  I was too. I've checked out of that band.
• 1:08:50
  When I check out of the band, I need fucking everything on the
• 1:08:54
  platter. Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  And then I'll just quit. That's what that's what would
• 1:08:59
  you mean? I ain't got bad, Megan.
• 1:09:00
  I quit. I fucking quit.
• 1:09:01
  I think that's kind of where my lever is now, to be honest.
• 1:09:04
  I definitely feel like I've embodied some of that deeper
• 1:09:06
  energy. Energy.
• 1:09:07
  I'm just just being old. But also, do you know, I mean,
• 1:09:10
  I'm on the road for fucking. We're on the road for half of
• 1:09:13
  the year. Fuck me for one in a bed and a
• 1:09:15
  shower as a bare minimum. That Magan show was actually
• 1:09:18
  busting as well. That Magan showers are lit.
• 1:09:20
  Wait. We're still on this.
• 1:09:22
  What do you mean I'm hard to read that makes me feel bad?
• 1:09:24
  I think maybe the tonality of your voice as well makes it feel
• 1:09:27
  like being a bit sarcastic. That's not good.
• 1:09:31
  I think that's I. Don't think it's a bad thing,
• 1:09:33
  but. I mean, definitely it is a bad
• 1:09:35
  thing I. Think it's endearing?
• 1:09:36
  I've got nothing, thank you. This guy is fucking good.
• 1:09:40
  No, no that it's your. Well, like you were telling me a
• 1:09:42
  story in your head while you were telling me.
• 1:09:45
  It No, I think it's, I mean, I don't even know if this is worth
• 1:09:47
  going there, but it's when you lie down, look it down on the
• 1:09:49
  iPad. Am I?
• 1:09:50
  Oh my God, am I boring him? So this happens a lot, right?
• 1:09:53
  It's only because I've got all these questions like and I, I
• 1:09:57
  always, I write all the questions out and then what
• 1:09:59
  happens is as the conversation goes, we hit some of the points
• 1:10:04
  already and then I've got follow up questions for those.
• 1:10:07
  So I'm trying to sneak you forgetting the camera when this
• 1:10:09
  is on is on you at this point. So people aren't looking at me
• 1:10:13
  looking for my follow up to what you just said, which I'd
• 1:10:16
  actually planned to do in 25 minutes time.
• 1:10:19
  But I understand as a fucking imagine you're having a comment.
• 1:10:23
  It's like you're having a conversation with someone in the
• 1:10:25
  pub and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:26
  And they pull out their fucking phone.
• 1:10:27
  It's actually me trying to guide.
• 1:10:31
  So I apologise. No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:10:33
  This is I. Fuckers don't see it, they just
• 1:10:35
  say what an excellent hope. How's he just miss?
• 1:10:37
  How's he brought that let? Let me let me, let me pull back
• 1:10:40
  on this right. I feel like I love this podcast
• 1:10:43
  because of you hosting it and that one of the main reasons why
• 1:10:47
  I've, I've hit you up a few times about we need to do this
• 1:10:50
  again is because I love you as a host and I, I don't want you to
• 1:10:54
  feel like that was a dig at you by saying that.
• 1:10:56
  No, I don't. I tell him that all the time,
• 1:10:58
  actually. So you are, Don't worry, you
• 1:11:00
  think that all the time awake. Yes.
• 1:11:02
  Yes, Stoic. So don't worry, everyone says
• 1:11:05
  like don't worry, everyone says stoic is like a good thing.
• 1:11:08
  And I'm like, I fucking hate. I'm naturally stuck.
• 1:11:10
  I get it from my fucking dad and I People say stuff like that to
• 1:11:14
  me all the time. Like I thought you hated me.
• 1:11:16
  And I'm like, no, I fucking love you.
• 1:11:17
  And they're like, your face doesn't fucking show it.
• 1:11:20
  I can't. Beat it like no, no, no I
• 1:11:22
  haven't. Stoic allegation man, it's just
• 1:11:24
  do you arm and. Yeah, embrace it.
• 1:11:26
  I felt like that came across as me attacking you.
• 1:11:28
  No, it didn't at all. But I actually as like I did
• 1:11:31
  poison the whale last week and Madison wasn't here.
• 1:11:34
  So I kept looking at the cameras and at one point Jeff goes, am I
• 1:11:37
  boring you? And I was like, no, I've just
• 1:11:39
  got to check. The fucking cameras are still
• 1:11:41
  going, bro. I I would love it if we could
• 1:11:43
  just have a chat without me having to guide it.
• 1:11:46
  Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm doing it again.
• 1:11:48
  But. What you do, I admire it because
• 1:11:51
  I could never do it. I could never host a
• 1:11:53
  conversation like you are. And one of them easy.
• 1:11:56
  And it's not. It's not you.
• 1:11:58
  Have a chat, you break eye contact, the other person thinks
• 1:12:00
  you hate them. You have a little look do the
• 1:12:02
  next question. No, you carry you carry the
• 1:12:04
  interviews very well and that's one of the reasons why I enjoyed
• 1:12:08
  it the first time we're on. The lads have said the same.
• 1:12:11
  Credit where credit's due. There is not many people doing
• 1:12:14
  what you're doing in this space, so I put a lot of respect on
• 1:12:18
  your name because what you've built is fucking sick.
• 1:12:21
  Thanks mate. And that's I.
• 1:12:22
  Love doing it, that's why I'm not in a.
• 1:12:24
  Fucking I can't do it mate, I can't even hold a conversation
• 1:12:26
  with my mates. You can.
• 1:12:28
  You're holding up one right now. It's Tracy.
• 1:12:30
  It's the best fucking job in the world.
• 1:12:31
  Like I just get to talk to my mate.
• 1:12:33
  Like, it's the best when mates come in like this because it's
• 1:12:36
  like. And then at the end of March, I
• 1:12:38
  hope they like it. I had a lovely time.
• 1:12:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do have to remember people are
• 1:12:43
  they want a little fucking insight to music shit.
• 1:12:46
  Yeah, yeah. And I'm like that.
• 1:12:48
  I think if you come on something like this, you have to be happy
• 1:12:51
  to give that. The worst, and I mean this is
• 1:12:53
  good because it's fucking absolute banter and you're great
• 1:12:56
  guests, but like the worst is having someone who's got no
• 1:13:01
  banter and obviously you know me and you're if you're you know me
• 1:13:07
  and you're thinking I can't get read on him.
• 1:13:09
  Imagine what fucking stranger feels kind of awesome little.
• 1:13:14
  Superpower in it. Oh UK?
• 1:13:20
  No, that's America. What's that one I was about to
• 1:13:22
  do? Star spangled Spangled bang.
• 1:13:24
  God save. Oh, have you seen our tip list
• 1:13:28
  on the merch desk on this tour? Merch Report shared it.
• 1:13:31
  What is it? Pull it up.
• 1:13:32
  Because we we have a special tip list on the merch desk on this
• 1:13:35
  tour for anybody who is visiting the Malevolence merch table,
• 1:13:39
  seeing one of my good friends, you and Clark.
• 1:13:41
  Things I will say for tips. Bottle of water.
• 1:13:45
  Classic. Can you say it for me?
• 1:13:46
  Bottle of water. Bottle of water.
• 1:13:49
  Bottle of water. See, Americans give a shit for
• 1:13:53
  bottle. Bottle.
• 1:13:55
  Oh right, yours was the most bottle of all of us.
• 1:13:58
  But now I've said it, mine's pretty fucking bad.
• 1:14:00
  But they say bottle. Yeah, where's that?
• 1:14:02
  Where's the A and the R coming in?
• 1:14:04
  They got AD, they got 2. D's bottle a bottle of water.
• 1:14:09
  There's no you're not saying they're like, oh, you don't say
• 1:14:12
  the teas. I'm like, neither do you.
• 1:14:13
  You say a fucking D tea and crumpets.
• 1:14:17
  I do miss a crumpet. Crumpets a good.
• 1:14:19
  What she what she topping on a crumpet though?
• 1:14:22
  Are you a plain butter guy or do you mix it open?
• 1:14:24
  I do normally. I I actually went through a
• 1:14:27
  serious period of my life about being a real crumpet man.
• 1:14:30
  Like I would I would have crumpets.
• 1:14:32
  Pause. Pause on that.
• 1:14:35
  That actually sounds like a slur.
• 1:14:38
  He's a bit of a crumpet man. I'm.
• 1:14:40
  Checking for the offside like on that one.
• 1:14:42
  I would have two butter and two with jam.
• 1:14:46
  I'd eat 4 at a time and I'd have six eggs.
• 1:14:49
  What you having? Same.
• 1:14:50
  Same. Same.
• 1:14:51
  Yeah. You've got to have a savoury in
• 1:14:52
  a sweet. You like a crumpet?
• 1:14:53
  I love crumpets we're having on the crumpets.
• 1:14:56
  Just butter. Yeah, I've got, I've got to have
• 1:14:58
  one is. Like the crumpets, the exciting
• 1:15:00
  part for me, I don't, I don't feel like I need to, to top it
• 1:15:03
  up, I'm just happy to have the crumpet.
• 1:15:05
  That sounded really like a like philosophical.
• 1:15:09
  That's sounded great. You got to appreciate the
• 1:15:10
  crumpet before you appreciate the top, isn't it?
• 1:15:14
  Nice, nice, that's fucking good. You have had a crumpet.
• 1:15:18
  I don't think so. How do you explain a crumpet to
• 1:15:20
  American? I don't even know.
• 1:15:21
  They call pancakes flapjacks. It's like it's similar in in
• 1:15:25
  like it's it almost looks like a pancake.
• 1:15:29
  It's a slightly taller, but it's.
• 1:15:31
  Much denser. Denser and spongier, they're.
• 1:15:35
  Fucking busting. It's like biting into a kitchen.
• 1:15:39
  Like a sponge. Sponge.
• 1:15:40
  Yeah, kitchen sponge, but delicious.
• 1:15:43
  Well, you're, you're about to tell me we've got crumpets.
• 1:15:45
  They're called fucking glamados. The.
• 1:15:47
  Closest we closest we would have it to that from the photos at
• 1:15:51
  least, would be like an English muffin.
• 1:15:54
  No, that's completely different. That's got the same kind of
• 1:15:57
  porous breading kind of vibe, so.
• 1:15:59
  I think maybe you've got the incorrect English muffins here
• 1:16:03
  then, because they're not porous, they're basically just
• 1:16:05
  bread. Ours are porous.
• 1:16:07
  Really interesting. Maybe they're calling a crumpet
• 1:16:10
  and an English muffin? I call a crumpet A crumpet, You
• 1:16:12
  know what I mean? Another great quote.
• 1:16:15
  I like him. He calls it crumpet, A crumpet.
• 1:16:18
  Also UK slang for well, she's a bit she's a bit of a crumpet, a
• 1:16:23
  bit crumpet that usually if you would say, but I wouldn't say
• 1:16:27
  these things. Obviously posh bit of crumpet.
• 1:16:30
  You would say someone would say if they were sort of
• 1:16:35
  objectifying a rich woman. I wouldn't say it.
• 1:16:41
  Your majesty is on the tip list. Harry Potter, Harry Potter that
• 1:16:46
  happens in got the other one, that one Harry Potter.
• 1:16:51
  Does he just say Harry Potter? Harry Potter.
• 1:16:56
  Did you say it like that or is that how I just said it?
• 1:16:58
  That was a great agree. Harry, that was actually
• 1:17:02
  fucking. That was fucking.
• 1:17:04
  Banging. And then it's Tuesday in it.
• 1:17:07
  You know what? It's Tuesday, ain't it?
• 1:17:08
  Emma from Dying Wish makes me say it's Tuesday in it and then
• 1:17:12
  she says Tuesday in it to me constantly.
• 1:17:16
  Now. I'll give him that one.
• 1:17:17
  I'm not going to give him a bottle of water.
• 1:17:18
  That's nice. I'm not going to give him a
• 1:17:19
  bottle of water because they fuck it up by saying bottle.
• 1:17:23
  But Tuesday, that one's kind of rough for us.
• 1:17:27
  I. Don't think so.
• 1:17:29
  What's the way that you say it? I think Tuesday.
• 1:17:32
  No, but you didn't even say. I mean, I I definitely lessened
• 1:17:35
  on the on the chair. Yeah, you said, you said
• 1:17:38
  Tuesday, Tuesday. Say it.
• 1:17:41
  Tuesday, but that's that you had AT there.
• 1:17:43
  Definitely I could hear the T. No.
• 1:17:45
  All right, all right, American person.
• 1:17:49
  We come to you all. Right.
• 1:17:50
  How? How are you spelling Tuesday?
• 1:17:54
  Chapter. Say Tuesday.
• 1:17:56
  Tuesday. I see what you're saying you
• 1:17:59
  can't hear the T, but it definitely is still a sound in
• 1:18:03
  there. Tuesday maybe a TCH there, yes,
• 1:18:06
  so. Tuesday.
• 1:18:08
  Well, you then said with ACH, yeah, he.
• 1:18:12
  Had a good chapter there. The other one I'll give him is
• 1:18:15
  garage. I won't ever fucking say it.
• 1:18:19
  I'll say garage until the day I die, but they're kind of right.
• 1:18:23
  Garage, Garage, Mirage Garage talked about this fucker.
• 1:18:27
  Oh yeah, actually the garbage. Someone left the comment saying
• 1:18:29
  you don't say garbage. And I was like, OK, I'm fucking,
• 1:18:32
  I'm fucking wrong then. I'm having fun.
• 1:18:36
  I'm just checking the time. So somebody did actually come to
• 1:18:40
  the merch desk in Pittsburgh and when what?
• 1:18:43
  So you can you're going to sing the national anthem to you and
• 1:18:46
  and you and sang it word for word. 20 bucks just slammed it
• 1:18:51
  down and fucked up. I was like, that's, that's not
• 1:18:54
  beautiful. Kind of sick, yeah.
• 1:18:55
  Let's talk about America a bit. Actually, I've got some fucking
• 1:18:58
  little America questions. What's the biggest culture shock
• 1:19:01
  when you're in America? Guns, I feel like especially in
• 1:19:06
  some areas, last time we went and shotguns and Harvey pointed
• 1:19:11
  it, it was all because he didn't like it.
• 1:19:13
  So we were like, we could have all just died.
• 1:19:16
  What? What happened?
• 1:19:18
  Well, he, we, we went to this guy's like, he has like just a
• 1:19:22
  house and he just shoots mad guns.
• 1:19:24
  Oh. American person.
• 1:19:25
  Yeah, we do. We.
• 1:19:27
  Went to an American person's house and he had all this stuff
• 1:19:30
  like, you know, like 5050 Cal sniper rifles and stuff.
• 1:19:34
  Oh, but he let us shoot like a lot of his guns and we started
• 1:19:37
  on these like little pistols or whatever and we all had to go.
• 1:19:40
  And then our sound guy, I don't want to embarrass him or
• 1:19:42
  anything because he's, he's a great little guy, but great
• 1:19:46
  little guy. He took, he took, I mean, he's
• 1:19:48
  only, he's only young. He's like 21.
• 1:19:50
  Yeah. He's just for reference.
• 1:19:52
  Their sound guy is our sound guys little brother.
• 1:19:56
  Yeah. So we we.
• 1:19:57
  Fucking way. We have the James brothers out
• 1:20:00
  on the first tour together. Yes, and it's so funny that it's
• 1:20:04
  that way around as well. You've got the bigger brother
• 1:20:06
  and you've got the little brother that's always like a
• 1:20:08
  fucking cartoon. This is a fucking joke.
• 1:20:11
  Could it could easily be. But yeah, we were on this guy's
• 1:20:13
  like in his garden shooting these guns and he, he took a one
• 1:20:16
  shot and he just didn't like it, which was fair.
• 1:20:18
  I didn't, I didn't like it either.
• 1:20:19
  But he turned around like with the gun, like, you know, like, I
• 1:20:22
  don't want to do this. Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:24
  He actually pointed it straight at the guy's face, but he
• 1:20:27
  weren't looking looking. And then I, like, jump behind
• 1:20:30
  Jack. I was like, no way.
• 1:20:31
  I'm dying like this. There's like etiquette.
• 1:20:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I felt bad for him because like,
• 1:20:37
  as soon as I shot it, I was like, Oh my God, like, take this
• 1:20:41
  out of my arm. It's.
• 1:20:42
  Fucking easy. Scary dude, terrifying and but
• 1:20:45
  we got to shoot like some crazy stuff like.
• 1:20:48
  Are you, are you off it? Then you don't, I think.
• 1:20:52
  I don't know what it's like here to live here like, you know, and
• 1:20:54
  in the UK there's never been a point where I'm like, I need a
• 1:20:57
  gun. I think you know what I mean.
• 1:20:59
  Talked. About it on the podcast a bunch
• 1:21:01
  of times because obviously I'm in fucking America and people
• 1:21:04
  are either pro gun or against gun or whatever.
• 1:21:08
  I feel like the UK, we did it right there is dumb Blaine.
• 1:21:12
  And then they went right ban on handguns and that was it.
• 1:21:17
  It was early enough in fucking what, 93 or whatever it was and
• 1:21:21
  they're banned and guess what? No one fucking did it again.
• 1:21:24
  Yeah, so we had the right thing, but here it's like too far gone
• 1:21:27
  if they got rid of it now. It's catch 22, the one.
• 1:21:29
  It's too many people we've got. You can say, you know, like it's
• 1:21:33
  so easy to just kill someone we want, but then there's so many
• 1:21:37
  lunatics out there nowadays. You have one.
• 1:21:40
  You have one, you don't have one, and if that's the argument
• 1:21:42
  and if you don't, then you you end up getting shot.
• 1:21:45
  There's no, there's no fucking answer.
• 1:21:46
  How do you feel about guns? I mean, we've got a day off in
• 1:21:48
  New Orleans on Tuesday and I wasn't I found a place where you
• 1:21:54
  can ride on a fan boat and shoot guns.
• 1:21:57
  Oh, the. Myself.
• 1:21:59
  My dream. Yeah, it's my dream.
• 1:22:01
  Well, on on a fucking swamp or what?
• 1:22:03
  Yeah. And shoot guns off the boat.
• 1:22:06
  Apparently so sick. We're still on the culture
• 1:22:14
  shock. You've got a different culture
• 1:22:16
  shock. Or is it just also guns?
• 1:22:18
  Honestly, for me the biggest culture shock is the food.
• 1:22:20
  Good or bad? Bad.
• 1:22:22
  I just it's hard to find good quality food over here and I
• 1:22:26
  know that people are going to be on me for saying that because it
• 1:22:30
  I'm sure it's available somewhere, but it's fucking
• 1:22:34
  expensive to eat here. And on this tour where I've
• 1:22:38
  bought like a little hub, I'm cooking in the bar again every
• 1:22:41
  night. But even just going to Walmart
• 1:22:43
  and getting some mince and some rice and you know, just doing
• 1:22:45
  like a little bite beef bowl thing.
• 1:22:46
  It's fucking expensive, bro. And trying to find stuff where
• 1:22:52
  it's not full of sugar, it's not full of like just random crap.
• 1:22:55
  It's hard. Now that I agree with and now I
• 1:22:58
  fucking struggle with. And it's like the basic
• 1:23:02
  ingredients here, the levels of like Food Standards are so much
• 1:23:08
  lower than Europe. So like your basic shit here can
• 1:23:12
  be fucking up poisonous, like terrible shit.
• 1:23:15
  And then to get what would be considered like low grade in the
• 1:23:21
  UK, like mints or something for example, or like something like
• 1:23:25
  to get something that's grass fed here, you're paying out the
• 1:23:28
  fucking ass. Yeah, it says a lot where you
• 1:23:31
  buy a box of strawberries at the start of the tour, you put them
• 1:23:33
  in the bandwagon fridge. They're still going like at the.
• 1:23:36
  End. And at the end of the tour they
• 1:23:37
  are Ripper than ever. What?
• 1:23:39
  What the fuck is in that strawberry?
• 1:23:41
  And not only that, the strawberries the size of your
• 1:23:44
  fucking fist. Yeah, that's not natural.
• 1:23:47
  Bread. It lasts forever here.
• 1:23:49
  Yeah. It just doesn't go off.
• 1:23:51
  It's fucking crazy. Yeah, so that's the that's the
• 1:23:55
  thing I struggle with the most. Where?
• 1:23:56
  Where you eating fast food, boys?
• 1:23:58
  You're on the road, you're going canes.
• 1:24:00
  Canes is fucking bang so good. Certified.
• 1:24:02
  Caniac Oh yeah, canes so bad now.
• 1:24:05
  Canes is great. Chipotle.
• 1:24:07
  Chipotle is good. I've never had Chipotle until
• 1:24:09
  this tour. Chipotle is my go to 1 tour.
• 1:24:11
  Chipotle that's good. What's your order?
• 1:24:13
  The steak, brown rice, guac, sour cream.
• 1:24:18
  I don't, I don't. I don't keep it very healthy.
• 1:24:20
  I just have everything on. I write Is this a burrito or is
• 1:24:22
  it a bowl? A bowl every time a.
• 1:24:24
  Bowl. Yeah, little tortillas on the
• 1:24:26
  side. Or not.
• 1:24:27
  Not yet. That's the movie.
• 1:24:28
  I go for the the chips, chips and salsa.
• 1:24:30
  I'll get 3 little tortillas on the side and make my own little.
• 1:24:34
  Only Cup put me on to that to be fair.
• 1:24:36
  Feel like he got out from me a. Chipotle old head.
• 1:24:41
  What's yours? Probably the same.
• 1:24:43
  I've. Like I said, I've only been
• 1:24:44
  twice, my first two times ever, so obviously it's the bowl.
• 1:24:47
  But then I like the chickens good.
• 1:24:50
  I like the steaks good. I like to.
• 1:24:52
  Like all the sauces? And then go for the scoop and
• 1:24:57
  I'll say like can I get double chicken or double or like 1
• 1:25:02
  scoop chicken, 1 scoop beef? They scoop the first scoop and
• 1:25:06
  they put it down and then they go to scoop the second scoop and
• 1:25:11
  they go to port and you go, alright, she'll just have
• 1:25:12
  single. And then what happens is when
• 1:25:15
  they put that back, just spin a little bit more so you get like
• 1:25:19
  a .1 point 1.2 scoop. That got very intense.
• 1:25:22
  Yeah, for a cheeky little quarter scoop.
• 1:25:27
  I don't really do that. I saw a fucking tick tock on me.
• 1:25:29
  I always just get double. I get double or sometimes I'll
• 1:25:32
  ask for double. If they're a heavy-handed then I
• 1:25:34
  will ask for single. Yeah, hungry boys.
• 1:25:38
  Me too. It's late as well.
• 1:25:40
  Yeah. You want to do a quick fire
• 1:25:41
  thing? Yeah, Let's go, man.
• 1:25:42
  Who's the biggest liability on tour?
• 1:25:44
  Wilkie and I only say Wilkie because what?
• 1:25:48
  How many shows have we done so far?
• 1:25:50
  98 of the nine shows when we've turned up sound check his base
• 1:25:55
  doesn't work. Really.
• 1:25:57
  For one reason or. The fucking bassist thing and
• 1:25:59
  it's just Dragonet had that all the time.
• 1:26:01
  Love him to death pitch. It was.
• 1:26:02
  My base is making a crazy noise. Been making a noise for 10
• 1:26:05
  years. Brother I left to come to do
• 1:26:06
  this podcast and as I was leaving Wilkie base was going.
• 1:26:11
  I wonder what the fuck it is. Same country, team Quad.
• 1:26:14
  Cortex on this tour as well, he said.
• 1:26:16
  Yeah. So he's liability, Wilkie, is he
• 1:26:18
  the liability off the stage as well if you're around about town
• 1:26:22
  or whatever? No, he's pretty locked in.
• 1:26:25
  Like he, he's the guy that you go to if you want to know what
• 1:26:28
  we're doing in two days time, where the good food spots are,
• 1:26:32
  where the fucking best shops are, where the best running
• 1:26:35
  spots are. There's.
• 1:26:36
  A little bit of an influence. He's a bit and he loves to post
• 1:26:39
  a fucking night. Malaga, fucking whatever.
• 1:26:43
  What's a typical day off like on tour where you just told me
• 1:26:45
  about guns? Depends on the vibe, if we've
• 1:26:47
  got somewhere that we can like generally at the moment I'm
• 1:26:51
  feeling getting out of the city so like I'm trying to go to like
• 1:26:54
  a beach or just somewhere that's a little bit quieter that we can
• 1:26:57
  just chill and just vibe, no cough.
• 1:27:03
  Guy shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:05
  Like it's not nothing very exciting, honestly.
• 1:27:07
  Sometimes we'll do some crazy stuff.
• 1:27:09
  Like last time we were out here, we we rented a boat for the day
• 1:27:12
  in California. We went went wakeboarding.
• 1:27:13
  Yes, that's nice. Yeah.
• 1:27:15
  We try and do fun shit like that.
• 1:27:17
  In fact, that's the last time we we had some amazing days off.
• 1:27:19
  We were in the desert in Moab. We rented dune buggies and went
• 1:27:22
  into the fucking dunes. Yeah, so you, you come up in
• 1:27:25
  that conversation like, yeah, we don't really do anything on
• 1:27:27
  those. Yeah.
• 1:27:28
  Dune buggies, fucking boats. What about you?
• 1:27:31
  We're boring. It depends on the drive.
• 1:27:33
  If we got a big driver, we'll just box that off.
• 1:27:35
  But we we get some fast food, maybe IHOP start the day off
• 1:27:39
  right and then. I've heard Lily go.
• 1:27:42
  Would you want to go to IHOP in morning?
• 1:27:45
  She loves an IHOP. The French toast though.
• 1:27:47
  Dude, I've never I could eat that every day.
• 1:27:49
  I've always gone for pancakes there because that's.
• 1:27:52
  What's going wrong, mate? French toast.
• 1:27:54
  Good. But then we, we we love an
• 1:27:56
  outlet, you know, like. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, a pair
• 1:28:00
  of TNS. No, but are you out on TNS?
• 1:28:02
  Well, we're Adidas, aren't we? We got to go all in Adidas shit.
• 1:28:06
  Yeah, we got you got Adidas. Adidas, Adidas shoes.
• 1:28:09
  So we got to wrap the brand, we got to fly the flag.
• 1:28:12
  That's fucking sick. Where's your fucking shoe, bro?
• 1:28:17
  That's a shoe coming. That's a shoe coming.
• 1:28:21
  Who would survive the longest if this touring package broke down
• 1:28:27
  in a desert? I'm going to say my love.
• 1:28:30
  You reckon? No, you.
• 1:28:32
  You are. Come, come, man.
• 1:28:33
  Is that you're on. You got to have the tour bus,
• 1:28:35
  bro. Surviving in the van, mate.
• 1:28:38
  Yeah, but you broke down. Yeah, I don't know, but.
• 1:28:40
  We're in a bandwagon and you've got to remember we've got con
• 1:28:43
  who can fucking fit through anything.
• 1:28:45
  That's all we had, a bandwagon Con.
• 1:28:47
  Yeah, but that's out of the question.
• 1:28:48
  You can't fix it. Well, no, I didn't in my room.
• 1:28:50
  All right, well, they will survive because he kind of just
• 1:28:52
  fixed fixed a bandwagon. Yeah, he, he used what he used
• 1:28:57
  to do as a job. What does he still do?
• 1:28:58
  Is it like a I see trade? Builder mechanic fucking in
• 1:29:03
  there. Fine, what about a fight banned
• 1:29:06
  versus banned? Have you seen the size of alpha
• 1:29:08
  guilt treat man? Yeah, but.
• 1:29:13
  Couldn't it water if we fell out of a boat?
• 1:29:14
  It was like me, yeah. But yeah, but you could be
• 1:29:17
  sneaky fucking MMA. But I feel like Tom's.
• 1:29:19
  I feel like Tom's secretly hard. No, really.
• 1:29:23
  Tom's a softy man. Tom's a big softy.
• 1:29:25
  Tom looks like he might be the sort of.
• 1:29:27
  Person, you know what? He's at a super agile, sick
• 1:29:30
  Mosher. But I think he's a big softy
• 1:29:32
  Jack's. Jack's pretty tough.
• 1:29:34
  I've seen Jack have a few scraps.
• 1:29:35
  Me and Jack have had a few together.
• 1:29:39
  Sam, Sam's like Sam, just he's just a good vibe all the time.
• 1:29:45
  I've never seen him angry and Lily out.
• 1:29:47
  I mean, she, you know, she gets pissed off a lot, but I don't
• 1:29:51
  really see her as much of A fighter.
• 1:29:53
  So you think they'd win? I think they'd win because like.
• 1:29:56
  But who's going to actually fight if the fight comes down to
• 1:29:59
  it and it had to happen? I reckon you might win on
• 1:30:02
  grounds of them or being quite nice and then being like, oh, I
• 1:30:05
  can't be all right. Yeah, yeah, you can make you
• 1:30:09
  think you could kick their asses.
• 1:30:11
  I think if you took $1000, they did outnumber us anyway.
• 1:30:14
  But I mean, I don't know. I don't know. 1000% yes.
• 1:30:18
  Sorry for that. I don't know if I could beat up
• 1:30:20
  anyone in my left. SO, you know, I'm, I'm just
• 1:30:23
  getting squashed straight away. Jack.
• 1:30:26
  I mean, Jack has a fighting chance.
• 1:30:28
  Joe, you could take John. Yeah, probably.
• 1:30:30
  And Wilkie. But on on my good day, you know,
• 1:30:33
  I've had I hop in the morning. I'll take them both.
• 1:30:36
  Yeah. I've got one for you.
• 1:30:38
  Who do you reckon is the better collective moshers?
• 1:30:42
  I think who has the best? You know what I think?
• 1:30:45
  I think guilt treat me because I think Sam, Sam's low key sick.
• 1:30:48
  Mosha, Tom's like insane. He's that he's been kicking the
• 1:30:53
  lights out of the ceiling at the show are.
• 1:30:55
  You still moshing at shows? No, exactly.
• 1:30:58
  That's what I was going to say. They're still moshing.
• 1:30:59
  I'm, yeah, I'm retired, but I mean, I'm still throwing about
• 1:31:02
  myself. About I was moshing for you last
• 1:31:03
  night, 31, yeah. OK.
• 1:31:06
  So you order better small shows because I.
• 1:31:09
  Think I'm pretty? I'm I'm alright.
• 1:31:10
  Tom's amazing, Sam's pretty good.
• 1:31:12
  Collectively, there's more style in Guilt Trips mosh than
• 1:31:16
  Malevolence mosh. I reckon Me, Charlie and Wilkie
• 1:31:19
  are flying the flag for my life in terms of dancing.
• 1:31:21
  But off the stage and you're not doing it.
• 1:31:24
  Are they doing it off the stage? You've already done your
• 1:31:26
  bandwagon. Straight to the bandwagon for a
• 1:31:29
  glass of champagne while they're moshing.
• 1:31:32
  Yeah, I'd I'd come out on most retirement for the right band.
• 1:31:35
  Who would it be? Hey be hate breed doing some
• 1:31:39
  some 20 year anniversary tours. They've been doing so.
• 1:31:43
  Which they have been doing, yeah, so.
• 1:31:45
  You're going to have to fuck and if anyone sees this motherfucker
• 1:31:48
  at a Hatebreed anniversary show. I'm taking your head off.
• 1:31:53
  And you just still mosh to this day.
• 1:31:54
  Yeah, almost for anyone. I mean, we were in Singapore
• 1:31:57
  moshing for the opening band just because that's the I'll
• 1:32:00
  just, I'll just like fuck this. That's.
• 1:32:03
  So. Fucking you hit someone.
• 1:32:04
  So yeah, we we still mosh quite a lot.
• 1:32:06
  We we kind of have this real world, like early on in the
• 1:32:08
  tour, like you don't want to, you don't want to injure
• 1:32:11
  yourself and like chalk the tore up.
• 1:32:13
  But as you know, if you're playing with a sick band, like
• 1:32:15
  I've been dying to Monster Chamber, but I just know I'm
• 1:32:18
  going to, I'm going to get hurt because, you know, I'm only
• 1:32:20
  small, but you can. Throw them around.
• 1:32:23
  I want I do want to give it a go, but I'm saving it for later
• 1:32:26
  in the tour just in case. I mean, that's fucking cool.
• 1:32:28
  Last gig I ever moshed there. I've got the poster right here
• 1:32:33
  because I was going to give it to them and I'm like, I've
• 1:32:35
  already got this. Oh yeah.
• 1:32:39
  Oh, he's in the well. What year is it?
• 1:32:41
  I believe it was 2005. I think Newport T JS got my nose
• 1:32:45
  broken. She'd been in much retirement
• 1:32:47
  for 21 years. It's never been the same again.
• 1:32:50
  I literally got my nose fucking broken.
• 1:32:52
  I've never fixed. It is that the reason you start
• 1:32:54
  mushing? Yeah, I was like, that was
• 1:32:56
  fucking horrible. I'm not doing that ever again.
• 1:32:59
  I don't think. I fucking haven't done it in 21
• 1:33:01
  years. I can't remember how to do it.
• 1:33:03
  I sometimes I'll do. I would do a two step because
• 1:33:07
  only because my style of two step annoys the fuck out of Tom
• 1:33:11
  Williams so much that. Sometimes I would I.
• 1:33:15
  Would drop a 2 step for someone that's supporting us.
• 1:33:19
  We are sometimes are quite often with mosh when other bands were
• 1:33:24
  sound checking. Yeah, because I don't feel very
• 1:33:26
  confident in my mosh, but if a band is sound checking on, you
• 1:33:29
  know when that awkward bit you walk across, when you walk
• 1:33:32
  across the fucking room while I'll just mosh.
• 1:33:35
  Yeah, because I'm like how can I make is that awkward?
• 1:33:38
  I'll mosh yeah, mostly a 2 step and mostly to piss Tom off
• 1:33:42
  because I do like a little face as well.
• 1:33:45
  That's fair enough. I'll tell you 1 gig I would mosh
• 1:33:47
  at which has just been announced today.
• 1:33:50
  Bring me their eyes and pray for plagues that beat down at the
• 1:33:54
  end. The play Play for plagues.
• 1:33:56
  I'll kill someone bro. And on a no barricade show.
• 1:33:59
  I heard it the other day. Yeah, the remix, it's completely
• 1:34:03
  remixed. I don't know if it's common
• 1:34:05
  knowledge it's. It's it's out.
• 1:34:08
  It's on Instagram. Well, a part of it is.
• 1:34:10
  It's Buster from fucking. Throne.
• 1:34:15
  Yeah, Throne. He mixed it.
• 1:34:18
  Wow. Fucking sounds amazing.
• 1:34:19
  Sounds incredible. Yeah, that I would come out much
• 1:34:22
  retirement for that. Well, you're going to have to,
• 1:34:24
  all right. You've got to trade one member
• 1:34:27
  of each band with each other. Who you picking?
• 1:34:29
  It's a straight I'm taking con bro.
• 1:34:32
  What for? For the Bible?
• 1:34:34
  The pipes. Just because he knows
• 1:34:36
  everything. I mean, we don't have many
• 1:34:38
  technical issues, to be fair, but I feel like it'd just be
• 1:34:41
  good to have there. Obviously he does the singing
• 1:34:44
  and he plays, he shreds. He's he's vital.
• 1:34:47
  So I'd take con. You'll take con who you taking
• 1:34:52
  him so you can stay at home. Yeah.
• 1:34:55
  That's it, that's it, done it all.
• 1:34:57
  What's next? We're home for like 3 days then
• 1:35:01
  we fly to Jakarta for Hamasonic. Never done it.
• 1:35:06
  I've been to Jakarta many times but never done Hamasonic first
• 1:35:09
  time. You've just doing that one show.
• 1:35:11
  Just flying out there. Then we fly to Florida for the
• 1:35:14
  Blood for Blood event. Oh fuck yeah, I forgot about
• 1:35:17
  that. And then we fly, we come home,
• 1:35:21
  got Slam Dunk headlining in one of the stages that slam dunk,
• 1:35:24
  love slam dunk. And then we've got like the
• 1:35:26
  busiest festival season summer that we've ever had.
• 1:35:30
  We're out for like 6 weeks on a bus in Europe.
• 1:35:33
  Sunshine. Bus Bus on the festival tour The
• 1:35:36
  real but a real life A. Real bus.
• 1:35:38
  Wrapped. You getting wrapped.
• 1:35:39
  Nah, we're going to have a bit of time off.
• 1:35:41
  We can't. You can't.
• 1:35:42
  You can't do it. Too much headliner?
• 1:35:44
  I've never done a full festival run on a real life bus.
• 1:35:48
  I've done it on like the ones that they convert into a bus.
• 1:35:52
  But like that's like that is probably other than Japan.
• 1:35:56
  Number one thing. I mean, I guess number two thing
• 1:35:59
  I miss about being in a band is the summer festival tour.
• 1:36:02
  Yeah, as long as you're on a bus, because this drives are
• 1:36:04
  fucking crazy. I'm really excited for it.
• 1:36:06
  The first time we'll be doing it, we'll be taking like a
• 1:36:08
  proper production and then we're doing a lot of sideshows in
• 1:36:10
  between the first pyro as well. No, no, I am.
• 1:36:13
  Production. Is it I?
• 1:36:15
  Just don't give a. What's your production?
• 1:36:16
  What you got? You don't want to.
• 1:36:18
  Give it away. It's still being decided,
• 1:36:20
  honestly. Inflatable something.
• 1:36:22
  There was talk about this morning, yeah.
• 1:36:24
  I like someone was telling me the other day that inflatables
• 1:36:26
  are out now and I'm like no, they're.
• 1:36:27
  Still so they'll never go out bro.
• 1:36:29
  Believe from within. I've just got there some big
• 1:36:30
  spiky thing apparently Wilkie was telling me about this
• 1:36:32
  morning. It's meant to be amazing.
• 1:36:34
  The big spiky thing was haggis. Big spiky haggis.
• 1:36:38
  I there's there's been a back and forth debate about whether
• 1:36:43
  you can let me know in the comments right?
• 1:36:44
  Do you want to see a malevolent show with fire?
• 1:36:47
  Would it do anything for you or have you are you of the opinion
• 1:36:51
  that? I should have more money in my
• 1:36:53
  pocket. I should have more money to feel
• 1:36:56
  feed my new upcoming unborn child.
• 1:36:59
  Found out I'm going. To be.
• 1:37:02
  A. Dad, Dad.
• 1:37:04
  Band. Congratulations.
• 1:37:05
  Thank you very much. I don't know when this is going
• 1:37:07
  out, but. Three weeks.
• 1:37:09
  Three weeks, that's fine. It'll be it'll be public
• 1:37:12
  knowledge by them the. Paparazzi will know by then.
• 1:37:15
  So you seem like a band of fire would be cool.
• 1:37:18
  I just cool with everybody. I disagree.
• 1:37:21
  I just think fire. Why?
• 1:37:23
  Why does it? Why do you have to get to a
• 1:37:24
  certain level, then all of a sudden you've got to have fire
• 1:37:27
  on the stage? It's very expensive, I know and
• 1:37:30
  I can tell. But it looks sick as.
• 1:37:31
  Folks do sometimes you just got to do it.
• 1:37:33
  Does it though? Yeah, it does it right.
• 1:37:36
  Nodding, nodding, nodding. It does if you fucking bring me
• 1:37:39
  the and you've got flames firing from every direction, but if
• 1:37:43
  you've got 4 jets at the front going.
• 1:37:46
  Yeah, I want, I do actually want people in the comments because
• 1:37:49
  I. Let me know.
• 1:37:50
  I think it's really cool, especially when you save it for
• 1:37:52
  the biggest song, biggest breakdown and it just goes.
• 1:37:54
  I know what you're saying though, like if it's not all the
• 1:37:56
  way like huge, don't bother. Yeah I would only be buzzing to
• 1:38:01
  use pyro if it looks like a fucking bombs gone off.
• 1:38:05
  Until then, do you want to see him 11 on a show with Pyro or
• 1:38:09
  would you rather us feed the kids?
• 1:38:12
  Feed the kids. Feed the kid.
• 1:38:14
  Feed our kids what? Do you got coming up we.
• 1:38:16
  Got slam dunk as well. Same stage.
• 1:38:18
  Yeah, we're on the same stage. We.
• 1:38:20
  Separate. You.
• 1:38:21
  No, no, no. We can't joint at the hip.
• 1:38:23
  It's pretty. Good, though must be.
• 1:38:25
  Yeah, it's fucking out of Foster.
• 1:38:26
  Yeah, he's having a great. Slam those two together.
• 1:38:30
  And then our album's out like a week after that and then we go,
• 1:38:33
  we come back here for some festivals and we're doing some
• 1:38:36
  like offshores in between with Dying Wish.
• 1:38:39
  And then we're trying to arrange our headliner at the end of the
• 1:38:43
  year in UK and Europe in like October, November.
• 1:38:46
  Fuck yeah, where are you playing with Dying Wish?
• 1:38:49
  I don't know. The routing's not like confirmed
• 1:38:50
  yet, but we're playing incarceration and we're playing.
• 1:38:53
  We'll be there. We will be there.
• 1:38:55
  Yeah, and we're playing. We're playing Warped Tour as
• 1:38:58
  well. I care.
• 1:38:59
  Yeah. And and then a couple more and
• 1:39:01
  then we're going to do some shows in between with them.
• 1:39:02
  Sick. Well, I'll see you at
• 1:39:04
  incarceration. Yeah, they'll probably have been
• 1:39:06
  served in incarceration and by this point, given that you're.
• 1:39:10
  I've heard it's. I've heard it's a lot of fun.
• 1:39:11
  I've never been. I've not even.
• 1:39:13
  I'm really looking forward to. She's an Ohio native.
• 1:39:16
  That was like the big one that everyone went to because I was
• 1:39:19
  so close to where I'm from. So I.
• 1:39:21
  Haven't gone to. Go.
• 1:39:22
  So I'm really excited. Yeah, I'm looking forward to
• 1:39:24
  that. I'm looking forward to a Warped
• 1:39:25
  Tour as well. Like, you know, it's one of them
• 1:39:28
  that you see on on the TV growing up, All right?
• 1:39:33
  I'm not looking for, I don't know.
• 1:39:34
  I've never done it. I was just fucking.
• 1:39:36
  That's what I read on the fucking Internet.
• 1:39:38
  But you can't believe everything you read on the Internet mate.
• 1:39:41
  We can't. I know.
• 1:39:43
  We can't get booked for any of these American festivals.
• 1:39:45
  Why not not even Wimmer? Now we've took you out on this
• 1:39:48
  one, you might get, you might get a chance.
• 1:39:51
  Have a lovely show, thanks for coming on.
• 1:39:53
  Thank you for having us brother, it's always a pleasure.
• 1:39:55
  Yeah, it was great. We'll do it again.
• 1:39:56
  I mean, we'll have to do it separately at some.
• 1:39:58
  Point. Yeah, that would also be fun.
• 1:39:59
  Let me know if you thought this was shit because I couldn't
• 1:40:02
  really go in depth with either person, but I had fun.
• 1:40:06
  I thought it was great. I had a great time.
• 1:40:07
  That's all that fucking matters, Madison.
• 1:40:09
  You have a good time. Great time.
• 1:40:10
  Everyone had a. Good time, happy.
• 1:40:12
  Peace. Thank you.