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A Moment of Serene-ity · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with IR Radio. Hi everyone, welcome to like the zillion
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  Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast this week, because after this one we
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  Speaker 1: have another one. So today, right now, today I'm with
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  Speaker 1: the beautiful Serene, and then in a couple hours I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna be with Clayton and Susie, So stay tuned for
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  Speaker 1: that episode. But hello, Serene, let's talk about this finale. Um,
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  Speaker 1: after watching the past two weeks, back, the two weeks
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  Speaker 1: that you weren't a part of in real life, what
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  Speaker 1: are your feelings about everything? Are you glad you were
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  Speaker 1: eliminated when you were That's the million dollar question, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of left before everything hit the fan, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was so sad and heartbroken at the time,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously time helped with that. But UM, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad I wasn't there. When did you feel recovered from
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  Speaker 1: the heartbreak? Um? You know, maybe like a month after
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  Speaker 1: I had left, Um, a month and a half. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I had a lot of time to reflect and think.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a teacher and so I didn't come back teaching
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  Speaker 1: until the next semester started, and so I had some
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  Speaker 1: time off. Okay, Well, during your hometown. Everyone fell in
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  Speaker 1: love with your brother. He's awesome. There was like chance
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  Speaker 1: that we should have him be the next Bachelor. How
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  Speaker 1: did he take that last week two weeks ago? Oh
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  Speaker 1: my goodness. He is like still so shocked with everything. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he is just excited to be here. He was last night.
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  Speaker 1: He was with me last night too, So it's a
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  Speaker 1: whole new world. I'm a little more used to it
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  Speaker 1: at this point than he is. But oh, it would
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  Speaker 1: be so fun. Okay, I'm gonna plant an idea that's
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  Speaker 1: probably already in the producer's heads, but I want to
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  Speaker 1: put it out there to the public. Why don't you
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  Speaker 1: bring him to Bachelor in Paradise with you? Like I
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  Speaker 1: brought my sister to Bachelor in Paradise. It's been done before.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Um, yeah, he's a good time. He's
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  Speaker 1: a good time. So we're doing this. He's my brother,
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  Speaker 1: and so I'm like, I don't know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, I'm trying to let
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  Speaker 1: him live in his moment and of his own experiences too,
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  Speaker 1: so you can have separate experiences in Paradise. Right, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want you to see me kiss anyone the
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  Speaker 1: palm tree, right exactly? Okay, Well, Um, overall, how would
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  Speaker 1: you say your your bachelor experience has been and and
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  Speaker 1: are you willing to do Paradise? Yeah? I actually had
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  Speaker 1: a really good experience. You know, aside from it being
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  Speaker 1: really hard leaving at the time and feeling like I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have what I needed in that in those moments leaving, um,
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  Speaker 1: it ended up being a really good experience. I learned
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  Speaker 1: so much about myself. You know, so many friends that
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  Speaker 1: you know, we've gone through this crazy experience together. No
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  Speaker 1: one else really understands like what we just went through,
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  Speaker 1: and so we're all really tighten it. Um. So it
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  Speaker 1: was a wonderful experience. Would do it again? Um, I
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  Speaker 1: honestly would love to go to Paradise. Um. I am
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  Speaker 1: still you know, single and still wanting to find my guy,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, there are some cuties out there, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm just hopeful and excited that I'll get to be there.
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  Speaker 1: You can't say there are some cuties without naming who
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  Speaker 1: you think is cute. Oh god, on see, I shot
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  Speaker 1: myself in this. Um. Yeah, I'm mean there are multiple.
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  Speaker 1: It's just hard though, because I'm so big on personality
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  Speaker 1: that I don't want to say anything and then be
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  Speaker 1: like glued to it because I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I can think someone's attractive and then meet them and
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  Speaker 1: then it's just like not the vibe, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? So big on personalities, So it's I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to say, but there there are
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  Speaker 1: a couple. Okay, well that's a great way of getting
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  Speaker 1: out of answering that question. I'll give you one more chance.
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  Speaker 1: Who do you think it's cute? Now? It's okay, I
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  Speaker 1: already put you on the spot. It's fine, it's fine,
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  Speaker 1: We'll we'll find out soon enough. I'm sure who you're into.
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  Speaker 1: Who you ask the producers that you want to be there,
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  Speaker 1: And there's a whole other season of guys that you'll
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  Speaker 1: get to choose from. When you see your friends Gabby
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  Speaker 1: and Rachel become bachelorette, and then you'll get their quote
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  Speaker 1: quote rejects. How okay, how do you feel about Gabby
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  Speaker 1: and Rachel both being Bachelorette? I need to give my
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  Speaker 1: little two cents on this. Ever since Caitlin and Um
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  Speaker 1: and britt we're you know, seven years ago both chosen
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, I thought this is how that season was
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  Speaker 1: going to go. When I initially heard two bachelorettes, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, they'll like date together. It will
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  Speaker 1: be like, oh, group date with Gabby, a group date
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  Speaker 1: with Rachel. That's very much the way that Joe Millionaire
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  Speaker 1: went this year. I wonder if they were inspired by that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I said that sounds a cool idea, and then
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  Speaker 1: they ended up having to choose, you know, between Caitlin
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  Speaker 1: and Britt and then that was like not so cool.
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  Speaker 1: But ever since I had you know, not just me,
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  Speaker 1: but like that idea was planted that two girls could
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  Speaker 1: date the group at the same time. I thought they
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  Speaker 1: should do that. So I'm really excited, and I think
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  Speaker 1: like Rachel and Gabby are both very likable. I think
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  Speaker 1: we would be sad for the other one if they
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  Speaker 1: didn't get the opportunity. So back to my question for you,
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  Speaker 1: how do you feel about your I'm assuming two friends
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  Speaker 1: becoming the bachelorette together. I love them both so much,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think that there was a better scenario.
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  Speaker 1: Like at all, um, I hadn't thought about the chance
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  Speaker 1: of their being two of them, just because we had
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  Speaker 1: to last the last two seasons, so I wasn't really sure,
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  Speaker 1: like what that minute here about it, But I'm so
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  Speaker 1: happy for both of them. They so deserve it. They
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  Speaker 1: are both like the kindest, most funny women. They're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be entertaining to watch. And you know, I'm here for
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  Speaker 1: the love stories to like it's living in the house
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  Speaker 1: with him. I fell in love with them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So I think it will be so easy for the
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  Speaker 1: audience to do the same, for thirty men to do
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  Speaker 1: the same. They're both incredible. It is going to be
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  Speaker 1: so interesting to watch. I wonder how it's going to work.
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  Speaker 1: I did not watch Joe Millionaire, but I've heard about it.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I've seen the tweets of people being
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  Speaker 1: like that would be interesting, um, and now it's happening.
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  Speaker 1: So do they have similar taste in men? Do we
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  Speaker 1: know their type outside of Clayton? I, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think that they're so different in every way. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: really are both obviously dated Clayton and so, and you
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  Speaker 1: know they had they were both really invested in their
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  Speaker 1: relationships with him, and so I think there might be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of crossing over. But they have the
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  Speaker 1: same type. I can already foresee. It's ord they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: both like one guy. He's gonna well, they're like gonna
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  Speaker 1: be really invested in one guy. And I'm sure like
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  Speaker 1: they'll each have like a couple, you know, individually, but
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  Speaker 1: then there's gonna be this one guy who both of
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  Speaker 1: them want to take the top three, and then he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna say I love them both. Yeah, but like that's
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  Speaker 1: so it's crazy to think though, like are they going
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  Speaker 1: to have to pick like for hometowns, like or the
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  Speaker 1: guys going to have to pick who they go with?
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  Speaker 1: Or can they go with both or like I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: they're going to kind of make it up as they go.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever is the most dramatic scenario. They'll probably go. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh my goodness, wild to think about. Craziness. All right, seriously,
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  Speaker 1: so many It's gonna keep each week interesting and I
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  Speaker 1: love that. We definitely need something fresh. I'm excited. I
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  Speaker 1: think they're going to get a boost in viewers because
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  Speaker 1: of it. Let's take a quick break and we will
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  Speaker 1: go through this finale straight through. All right. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with Clayton Um talking to Susie. Basically she comes to
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  Speaker 1: his room or I guess Jesse comes to Susie's room
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  Speaker 1: and is like, so, Clayton really wants to be with you, basically,
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  Speaker 1: and then she knocks on the door. She says hello
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  Speaker 1: quickly to his parents, pulls him aside, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: he's basically like, I'm going I just want to be
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  Speaker 1: with you. I love you the most again, right, you
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  Speaker 1: know I still love you the most. And then she's
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  Speaker 1: he basically says in that moment, I'm going to dump
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  Speaker 1: the other girls because like I want to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: Even if it turns out that you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be with me, I'm gonna let you go and linger
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  Speaker 1: this over and um yeah, but my decisions made like
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  Speaker 1: it's you or nothing. So then he goes and he
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  Speaker 1: breaks up with the other girls together. What are your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on this? Why does he do everything together? Why
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  Speaker 1: are all these big moments together. I have to say,
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  Speaker 1: like Caitlin Bristow and I were talking a little bit yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: it just seems like, you know, the poor guy was
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  Speaker 1: very had no backbone with like production suggestions. I honestly like,
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  Speaker 1: I have no clue because I never would have done that.
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  Speaker 1: And I know it's easy to say that having not
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  Speaker 1: been in his shoes. But I just I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: the scenario of breaking up with people in a group
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  Speaker 1: like that. Um I mean I even thought like telling
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  Speaker 1: you know them you love them in a group together,
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  Speaker 1: even though he had said it like separately, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have done that either, because in turn you end up
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  Speaker 1: having to have two separate conversations. Anyway, Um, I was
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  Speaker 1: so like that was what I was in the most
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  Speaker 1: shocked by. I mean, I think pretty much every I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was the moment that was the most jaw dropping.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, I saw him wanting to be
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  Speaker 1: with Susie and like, you know, like trying to pursue
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  Speaker 1: that all the way. But I didn't foresee this group
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  Speaker 1: break up. I think, you know, and I think no
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  Speaker 1: matter what it was going to be, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: already turned into a mess. It was going to be heartbreaking,
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  Speaker 1: um for whoever. And that was going to be hard
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  Speaker 1: decision and uncomfortable decision for him. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: like I get it, like follow your heart, like if
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  Speaker 1: you feel sick, like you can't choose the other two,
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  Speaker 1: Like I get it, But the breaking up with them
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  Speaker 1: at the same time thing was what I was the
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  Speaker 1: most jarred by. Um I it was really hard to watch.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's like, Okay, you're leaving with someone to
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  Speaker 1: go check on them, and then leaving someone there. I
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  Speaker 1: just thought that there should have been like two separate conversations.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's for me to say like what I
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  Speaker 1: would have done, but like, I'm not the Bachelor, but
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  Speaker 1: like that I didn't agree with that, and that was
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  Speaker 1: it was really hard to watch. Yeah, we've seen similar
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  Speaker 1: situations where the Bachelor, the lead would ever go and
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  Speaker 1: breaks up with multiple people at this point in the
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  Speaker 1: cool competition process process, and it's always them like knocking
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  Speaker 1: on separate doors. So very very bizarre. And it's and
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  Speaker 1: when people I'm assuming when people say, like the way
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  Speaker 1: that he treated like there's lots of comments online being
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  Speaker 1: like I can't believe the way that he treated Gabby
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  Speaker 1: in Rachel. What's your take on that? Because my take
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  Speaker 1: is the fact that he's doing this in a group
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  Speaker 1: setting and like not treating them like with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of empathy I think. But like, I think people need
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  Speaker 1: to realize this is something that Caitlin and I were
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  Speaker 1: talking about yesterday. This is still the process, This is
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  Speaker 1: still the Bachelor process, we still eliminate people down to
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  Speaker 1: the person that we want to be with. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that like somewhere along the way in the past
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks that was muddled and maybe in again,
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  Speaker 1: like guys, I keep referencing the Caitlin conversation, but we
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  Speaker 1: didn't really break this down. I think that possibly that's
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  Speaker 1: because we're rooting for these girls harder than we're rooting
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  Speaker 1: for Clayton. And that's probably because we didn't really know Clayton,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, we didn't get attached to him on
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  Speaker 1: a previous season. So here we are knowing the girls
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  Speaker 1: just as much as him, And I think that people
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  Speaker 1: are kind of forgetting that this is the bachelor process,
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  Speaker 1: like he has to dump people in order to be
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  Speaker 1: with the person who wants to be with. Yeah, I know,
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  Speaker 1: so true. There is something I've been thinking about also though,
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  Speaker 1: like as far as like you know, empathy and like
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  Speaker 1: thinking things through. He didn't go to hometowns, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: go to fantasy suites. Yeah, that's that's the thing. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know how that feels, how it feels, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he had an idea of like how invested
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  Speaker 1: they both were, like you could see it in his
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  Speaker 1: face when he talked to them, But um, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I think it was just you know, it's his
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  Speaker 1: first time doing this and so he wasn't really you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think at the time he thought he was doing
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  Speaker 1: the best thing. Um. I really have to wonder with him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, deciding to go in there in a group,
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  Speaker 1: like did we all know that he was just going
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  Speaker 1: to go break up with them together or did anybody
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  Speaker 1: say maybe we should have separate conversations or was he like, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is how I want to do it. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I want to rub the band right off.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want you this twice, like he had to
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  Speaker 1: have two separate conversations anyways, So, um, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's so tough and it's I that was like the
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  Speaker 1: hardest part for me to watch, especially like them both
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  Speaker 1: being my friends and like, you know, convincing Gabby to
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  Speaker 1: stay like she wanted to leave, And like my issue
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  Speaker 1: is that too, that there's the issue is like just
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  Speaker 1: begging for her to stay, saying that like staying is
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  Speaker 1: a testament to the relationship. That's like a whole different
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  Speaker 1: thing though, because then you get to like the elimination
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  Speaker 1: of it all, Like that is part of the process.
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  Speaker 1: Like when I got broken up with my whole thing
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  Speaker 1: was I'm not mad you're breaking up with me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: mad that like I feel like you're not really giving
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  Speaker 1: me answers. That's where I remember you saying that, and
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  Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, I think for them it
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  Speaker 1: was probably similar a lot more painful because you know
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  Speaker 1: they did have that intimate time and like hours on
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  Speaker 1: end together with like no interruption. But like it's just
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  Speaker 1: it's so tough to think about, like not like being
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  Speaker 1: addressed in a group so often. It kind of like
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  Speaker 1: do not feel like an individual? Yeah, well I'm thinking yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just like Gabby says, you know, you took two
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  Speaker 1: days away from me that I could have been with
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  Speaker 1: my friends and family. And I totally see that side
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  Speaker 1: where it's like you dragged me on for another two
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  Speaker 1: days after begging me to stay. That's so messed up.
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  Speaker 1: But ag'in to play Devil's Out Avoca. It's kind of
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  Speaker 1: the process. It's like you need the yeah, you need
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  Speaker 1: like the amount of days that you need to make
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  Speaker 1: the decision. I still love Gab. I love the way
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  Speaker 1: that Gabby handled herself in that moment. She just was
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  Speaker 1: like no, Bis, she was like, no, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: really want to hear it from you. You're like, you're
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  Speaker 1: I'm over I'm really over this. I think they handled
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  Speaker 1: this brig up exactly how we imagined, which was basically
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  Speaker 1: how they didn't last. The previous night's episode, Rachel extremely emotional,
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  Speaker 1: just like would do anything to stay with him, and
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  Speaker 1: then Gabby just being like nah, goodbye. She just I
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  Speaker 1: feel like she really knew her worth. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I knew Rachel was going to be a little harder
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  Speaker 1: to watch just because I know Rachel. Um. I knew
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  Speaker 1: Gabby would probably have a different ever reaction. Um, I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to think. I'm like, how would I react
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  Speaker 1: in this situation? And I feel like I would have
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  Speaker 1: been a little more like Gabby. So that's awesome. Caitlin
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  Speaker 1: and I were saying, we wish we could be Gabby,
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  Speaker 1: but we know we'd be Rachel. I know I would
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  Speaker 1: be Rachel, justly Rachel. Behind the scenes. I like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you saw my face when I left,
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  Speaker 1: I was stone cold, and then I got I cried
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  Speaker 1: as soon as I walked into the hose. Well good
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  Speaker 1: through you. I love that you're able to keep the
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  Speaker 1: poise and then break down. That is an admirable quality
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  Speaker 1: I wish I had. Oh no, I wasn't trying, Like
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  Speaker 1: I was just shocked, so like I didn't hit you.
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  Speaker 1: Then I was extended a little like Piste at the
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  Speaker 1: same time. Um yeah, it was. It was. I knew
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  Speaker 1: Rachel was going to be really hard to watch, Like
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  Speaker 1: I had tears in my eyes. I'm like trying to
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  Speaker 1: like suck them back into my eyeballs, like watching last night.
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  Speaker 1: Um yeah, but I I mean I know, ultimately, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it comes down to the decision. It comes down to
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  Speaker 1: the process, and like if Susie was still there, and
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  Speaker 1: Susie ended up meeting the family even briefly, and that's
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  Speaker 1: what he decided he wanted. I don't think either of
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  Speaker 1: them had an issue with that being his choice. It
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  Speaker 1: was just like the way that he got to that
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  Speaker 1: choice and the way he navigated the decisions, like prior
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  Speaker 1: to that, what was what like that was what was
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  Speaker 1: so hurtful? I think, um, because like no one wants
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  Speaker 1: to be chosen just because someone else isn't there, and
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  Speaker 1: they both made that, you know, and I think just
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  Speaker 1: like the process that, like the actual process that was chosen,
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  Speaker 1: like the path that was chosen to get there, is
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  Speaker 1: what was so tough to watch and just so hard
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  Speaker 1: for both of them, you know, a little synopsis of
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  Speaker 1: Gabby and Clayton on stage together with Jesse Um. Gabby
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  Speaker 1: tells Clayton that watching it back makes her feel super misled.
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  Speaker 1: She said she wasn't given all the information, especially when
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: she was deciding whether she wanted to leave or not.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: And she said, that's what hurts the most. She feels betrayed.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: And he said, there's nothing, um, I can do more
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: than apologize. And he says, watching it back, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: he wished he could have handled it differently and didn't
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: have any bad intentions. When she says that she wasn't
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: given all the information, is that the fact that what? What?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Is that? What? What didn't she say? I guess I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: guess that he loved that. He said, yeah, he forgot
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: to tell them. I love you both, but I love
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Susie the most. That's that's a big missing part. Yeah,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I think you know, even watching you know, the Fantasy
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: suitet dates. By the end of each of them I
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: was like, they each think they're the one, right, definitely
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: think they're the one, which is like, you know, I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: assume part of the normal experience. Yeah, if you've been,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: if you're hold I love you in the fantasy suite,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you're pretty sure that you're the one. Yeah. Yeah. So um,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know exactly what she meant
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: by that. I mean there was a lot of information
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: left out there was you know, I think he was
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: so focused on trying to keep them there that he
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: was just sharing, you know, like I don't want you
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: to leave, like I want to see this through with you.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: But then the other side of that was I guess
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: he wasn't being like fully transparent about like his other feelings,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: like yeah, I'm shattered Susie's gone, but like I still
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: want to explore this with you. But like in his
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: mind he was like, oh my goodness, this might be
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: like over for me. I guess, I guess. But maybe
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: am I like giving him too much credit and thinking that,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: like it maybe didn't dawn on him that he wanted
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to go after Susie until after the two met his family.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I think he did, but he was so mad when
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: she had that conversation with him at the end of
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: their date, like that kind of blinded his view of
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like what you really wanted, and he was like reacting,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I think to that and just trying to move on
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: from that. Like you see him shut the door and
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: he's like everything happens for a reason. Um, And so
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think maybe his mind changed or maybe he thought
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: differently in that moment, but it was just like a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: rush of emotions and like his true feelings of like okay,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: like I do love you the most, We're still there. Yeah,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: like he needed time to soften a little bit, right right, Yeah, okay.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So then one other last thing about Gabby and Clayton
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: up on stage together. Um, Clayton says, I want you
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to know that I did have love for all of you.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And then Gabby says, when you say love someone, you're
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you're assuming responsibility to love them and to care for them,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and you didn't do any of those things. What do
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you think about him actually truly being in love and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: using Like I I kind of I agree with her.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I was I was talking to yesterday. I really think
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that he was in lust with all of them and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: was just getting really confused because it didn't really seem
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: like love, especially when we see the behavior. I don't know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and it's like, I've never been in love with multiple
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: people at once. I've never thought I was in love
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: with multi multiple people at once. So it's hard to
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: imagine like where he's coming from with that. And like
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting too when Gabby, you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: said I do think I could fall in love with
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: more than one person. Yeah, She's like, I might just
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: like navigate it differently or something. I can't believe these
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: girls are totally going to be haunted by this. There's
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: gonna be multiple loves in this upcoming season. Yeah, um yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: But I think I think my issue was more of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I had love for both of you. It's like you're
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: still putting them in a group when you're having a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: singular conversation. And I was like, again, but I do
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: think he deeply cared for them. I mean, and I'm
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: saying that too because I left right before all of this,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: like I felt like he maybe could love me too,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and so I think it's just he had like a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: wild experience and like wasn't prepared for all of that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't, I can't, even like I think,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you know, falling in love and being in love are
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: different things. I get confused on you know, he said
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: he was in love or falling in love to who
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: or what? Like, I get confused about all of that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I think he said he loved them both and he
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: was falling in love with both of them, but so
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: many different ways of saying it. On The Bachelor, Yeah, yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I think you know, to be in love with someone
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like that, you would be a little more I don't know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: respect their boundaries at that time. You know, someone says
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I'm done, like there's still multiple people there and like
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you're fighting for all of them. Like I think that
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: there was love there, but like what that looks like
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: for him, Like I don't know. Rachel something about like
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: she didn't know what his definition of love was, Like
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I don't, I have no clue, Like I'm confused as
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the rest of us by all of this. Um, yeah,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: well you know the man, So that makes me feel
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: like I can listen to your opinion with like a
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: little bit more strength. Yeah, yeah, for sure, And I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: think I was. I was blindsided and confused when I
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: left too, So uh it's yeah, I don't know. Well,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: he's been getting so much criticism. UM, I got to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: know from you, somebody who actually knows him. Do you
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: do you watch these episodes and you're like, oh, I'm
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: so glad I dodged this bullet Or do you have
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: more empathy than you think the average viewer does. It's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a little bit of both, because I think I think
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: knowing him, I expected a little bit better navigation of
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: some of these situations. And you know, like being someone
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: who said like I was in love with him, like
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I felt like I knew him well enough to feel safe,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and I think kind of off. That's where Gabby was
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: coming from with that comment, And I would have hoped
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that he would have never done something like that to me. Um.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And so I can see where the girls are coming from.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But also I have a lot of empathy for him,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: because you know, this is his first time doing this,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and like, he didn't make it to these parts of
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Michelle's season, and you know, I was thrown right into
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: it immediately, um, as soon as he got home. And
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: so I do have a lot of empathy for him. Umm.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: They're like so many different moving parts, multiple people. UM.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I know that he had strong feelings for a lot
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of people. And so it's just I think watching him
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: navigate it for the first time, like as someone that
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: knows him, and you know, I had gotten over it
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and gotten my closure, like you know before the show
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: started airing, So it was more of hoping that he
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: did it to the best of his ability, because like
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you know, you always care for someone and like you
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: know that the shoes that he's in, he's getting so
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: much criticism and like so much like unnecessary hate. So
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of both for me, Like
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I wasn't there. I do think everything happens
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: for a reason. Um, seeing like more now like I'm
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: for sure like oh, there's no way that was ever
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: like the person and for me, But at the time,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: like I do know him, I do like care for
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: his well being and his mental health, and like I do,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: like you know, I was it was hard sitting there
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: at the women until all and hearing some of the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: stuff that was being said too, And you know, it
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: sucks when some of it's true and like some of
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it's like warranted. It doesn't make it feel any better
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to like watch someone just be repeatedly like kind of
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: harped on for the same things, but like you know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: he is accepting of his um reactions and you know
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: how he's like navigated through all of this and he's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: like learning from it. And I think that's like you
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: can ask from him. Yes, all said and done. You
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: know that is totally true. And like he said last night,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: he was like, I have learned more in like the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: past five months than basically ever before. Five years is
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: five years in five months? Okay, thank you for the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: exact quote. Um, So I gotta know your take on
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the way that he spoke as Susie last week, because
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that's what I really can't get over when I see
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the two of them together Now, I'm like, how did
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: she get over that? If I can't get over that? Yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I mean it was hard like watching that, Like he said,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: he didn't know who he was looking at, and my mouth,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know where you are at because like I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: dated him too, like I was two, and I was
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: like who is that? Like I didn't know there, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: so that was like really scary, you know, knowing that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you can go through this process, I can get that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: far and like not see you know, there's a dark
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: start something that they might need to work on. Too,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: but um, yeah, no, that was tough. And Susie is
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: an absolute angel. She's so calm while spoken. She was
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: like my roommate the entire time. So proud of how
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: she handled herself through that. Um, I don't know how
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I would have been, but I think she was incredible
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and um really proud of her for that. But yeah, no,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that was insane to watch. Like, I was super uncomfortable
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: with it and super shocked. I had no idea that
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that was coming, you know. I was like, Okay, maybe
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: it's a disagreement, maybe it's a fight, but those words
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: were they were so hurtful. Um, it was. It was
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: really hard to watch for sure. All Right, well, I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you more about Susie and Clayton
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and their relationship. We got to take a quick break,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that right after this. If you
• 29:47
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• 29:49
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• 29:52
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• 29:56
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• 29:59
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• 30:01
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• 30:04
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• 30:14
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• 30:18
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• 30:23
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• 31:18
  Speaker 1: when did you find out that Clayton and Susie were
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: rekindling things? Because you say that you guys are roommates,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: so you must have a relationship outside of the Bachelor
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: bubble as well, Right, Um, I didn't never really ask
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: any questions because I didn't want it to know, um
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: with any of the top three. So I found out
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: like this week. Okay, I'm so confused. You guys, we
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: knew everything. We had this big Bachelor message and we
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: were just like blah blah blah blah blah, Like I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: knew the entire way that this is going to unfold
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the season when I was on the show, and now
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you tell me this. And then Jill because she's from
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Rhode Island and then we hang out. She's like best
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: friends of the Rachel and I asked her just a
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago. I was like, so like, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like what happens with Rachel? Right, And she's like, no,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I really don't, like what do you mean? Like why
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: are you guys asking these things? Like good for you?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: You're watching like fans, and I like that. Well, there was,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, honestly, there was so much love between
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: all of us that we were all I think everyone
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: was so respecting of everyone is respectful. It just really
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: feels respectful. Like the top four of us didn't even
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: get added to like the big group chat until like
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: way after everyone else because people were kind of like
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: scared of it. Are you okay? Like do you fuck? Like?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know? Um, yeah, And I think for me,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't know like if I asked someone like, am
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I asking someone to like spill the beans on their
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: heartbreak and maybe they're not ready to talk about it yet,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I've had no clue. Well, you guys were right. The
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: way that everything ended for these girls was scary. You know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: it's something that they wouldn't want to talk about with
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the group for a while. Glad I didn't cry because
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: all right, Well, then this week when you found out
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: that they were together, what were your thoughts, especially since
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you found this out while you're watching this happen on TV,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Because if you're like the average fan, I think we're
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: all like, really, Susie, are you sure? Yeah? That's the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: thing is like I like knowing Susie and like being
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: so close with her, like I trust her judgment and
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: like her decision making, and like I know that she
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: will stand up for herself through and through. I know
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that the conversations that they will have had to have,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: you know, before all of this, you know, within the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: couple of months, had to have been you know, big
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: enough for them to be together right now. You know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: was able to state her piece and like calmly leave
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and then even after that, still having the feelings that
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: she had for him, even though they were a little
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: different than his. You know, I felt like her feelings
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: were maybe a little jaded at that point. You know.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Just that was like my interpretation of it is, it's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: like you don't want like this magical moment, like a
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: proposal starting of forever, to be meddled by like everything
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: that we just went through. And I think the way
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that she said that was, you know, she has such
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: a way with words, like she's so good at expressing herself,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and um, I think knowing her the conversations that they
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: will have had in private up to this point, I
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: think that you know, she's making an educated decision for herself. Um,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I haven't had a chance
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: to talk to her since then, and I can't wait
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: to coloring it, you know a little more of the details,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: since you know, we were so close in the house
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and everything. But um, you know, I think if after
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: all this, she's decided, you know, to reach out to him.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: They said that she reached out to him, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: she decided to reach out to him, and they had
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: those conversations. She did say it sounded like they had
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: been like working on building a new foundation, and I
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, girl, like snaps for you, like there,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: it sounds like they're thinking things through, um and they've
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: really had like the time to talk a lot of
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: this stuff out. I think we were all shocked by it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, like I think
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: they're both just doing like what they want to do,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like their heart desires, you know what. They came into
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: this for um and you know, they didn't leave like engaged,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and so I think it's good that they're like dating
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and like trying to navigate this as like a normal couple. Now. Yeah,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: my biggest question for them, and I'm interviewing them like
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: about an hour, is Susie, how did you get from
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: being at that altar and saying you're not my person.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I don't even love you enough to date you, or
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I don't even like basically like I don't even like
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you enough to date you. I know, I know we
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: skipped over that part a little bit happening last night
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that I just know to where you are now to
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: d ming him right, like I really want to know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like what happened in your head? And it wasn't just that,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just like you know, I discovered you're not
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: my person. It's also the whole conversation that they had
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: last week where it's like I won't be able to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: get over the hump of you saying like have you
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: sleeping with other people? And was saying I love you?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So it's like all these things, it's like, Susie, how
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: did you get over and just d m M yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I think you like the timing of I think the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: sleeping with other people and saying I love you too
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: multiple people. I think it was more timing thing of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: like don't want to get engaged to you. Two days
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: after that happened, like, well do you think that that
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: was really an engagement thing? Like he did pull out
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the ring, which was kind of he but he probably
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: shook the core I did. He pulled out that ring.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, God, I hope there's not a camera
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: on my face right now because I'm shocked. Um, the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: whole scene was awkward. Okay. When they were like going
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: to meet up to like have this final conversation, I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: thought it would be like on a bench in Iceland,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: you know, in like a cute cafe, and well, no,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: it was a full blown Bachelor finale rose ceremony. It
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: was stunning in there. She whore the big gown, he
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: had the ring in his pocket, Like, I just was
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: not expecting this, And I wonder if Susie was expecting that,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: because that would have thrown me off and made me
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: so much more nervous. I mean, she had to have
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: expected it. Did you see what she looked like? But
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: he looked like she was ready to get married right there,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like Donny, like she had to, like she had to know,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you're right. The dress, It's like, I don't know like that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I was literally thinking about that too, Like she got ready,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: like looks gorgeous, like dressed to the nines, Like what
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: was she thinking was going to happen? I can't wait
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to listen to what to y'all's conversation. Thank you for
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: adding that question now to my list. I didn't even
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: think like she had to put that gown on, so
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: she definitely expected to look like a final rose ceremony,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: which just adds the pressure to the conversation. It's like
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: at an altar, I'm going to tell this man no,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, there could have been a chance
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that she thought like, Okay, he's just gonna like offer
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: me the rose, like, but he had a ring in
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: his pocket, Like I had no clue. I think that
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: was really just to get the Neil Lane name in there. Yeah,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: shout out to Lane though we love him, he's so great. Yeah. Literally,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Jesse was like, clear is about to pull the biggest
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: hail Mary, And I was like boom ring, And I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's not what I thought was gonna happen.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: You know what question I've got to ask them, Um,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: why did she say on the live show I would
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: have to be the one proposing. I don't know. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: think she was. That's just six Susie. She's just like
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: it just sounds just like blurted something and it honestly,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: like the biggest personality biggest goofball wild person like, so
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I think she's like, oh, this is madman, Like I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: might be the one to propose, Like I don't know, Okay, alright,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that's cute. I feel I felt like that maybe didn't
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: carry as much weight as some people were thinking before.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think. Okay, okay, so it won't be seeing
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Susie be like being a modern woman, and we might
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: former Miss Virginia proposes to Clayton Eckert. All right, so
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: let's just talk briefly about something that I that we
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: kind of skipped over, and that was Rachel and Clayton's
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: sit down on the stage. My biggest takeaway from that
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: moment is just like how she's just like you never
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: loved us, Like, you know, I just don't believe I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: don't believe you. That was the big line. I don't
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: believe you. And then we see her dad sitting there
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: like you know, Tony soprano. He I mean, come on, dude,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: He's like, there's no way that he's not forcing himself
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to have that much of a straight face. I think
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: it's natural, you really, It's like, oh, I don't think
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: she's worried about the cameras looking at him or or America.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: But it's such a straight face. It almost looks like acting.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: He's like the security guard in the front row of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: a concert contest. Yeah, so funny. Anything. Do you do
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you feel like that stood out to you other than
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: that moment or she said like you never loved us? Yeah,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I think, Um, I think I'm really proud of Rachel
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: for like standing up for herself. And that was something
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I kind of saw coming because you know, with one person,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: they were a little more angry up front, and then
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: they had you know, Gabby had a conversation with him
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and has had a lot more time to like think about,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: you know, what she wanted to say and stuff like that,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: because she said so much of it in the moment um.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And then with Rachel, like I've definitely been Rachel in
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: a situation before where you're so emotional at first and
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: then you're like angry later you actually like, you know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: your your vision is like foggy, you know, with all
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: of this emotion, and then like like what was that?
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I think you try to put yourself
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in those shoes, and I think that's what Rachel did.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: She loved him so much that she couldn't imagine doing
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the things that he did. And so to her, the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: answer is, you weren't in love with us, um, But
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I think like love looks different to everyone. And that's
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: also something she said, is she's like, I don't even
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: know what like your definition of love is after this, Yeah,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and he continues to stand by, you know, the stand
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: by the fact that he he did love them. He
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: says that she was the first person he said I
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: love you too in six years And she says, was
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: it to sleep with me? With me open element? Odd? Yeah, yeah,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: it does not expect that one from her. But I
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: think he was just living in the moment and he
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: wasn't thinking like, he wasn't thinking things through. I think
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: he just he took experience all of this very literally
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and experience stall of it. Yeah. Yeah, could you imagine
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: being her dad and there's just like all this sex talk. No, no,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I was like across from him and like pet him.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: He was like looking at the floor a lot of
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the time, like he didn't like you can tell him
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: he didn't want to watch some of it. Every time
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: his baby girl was on the screen though, every time
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: she was on the screen, his eyes were so well.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I think we all hope to see more of him
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and Gabby's grandfather as part of the season. We don't
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: want to just see them at hometowns. We want to
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: see them throughout. It's Tony and Grandpa totally. Is his
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: name really Tony? I think so. I think it is, Yeah,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Tony Tony. Yes, that's awesome, Serene. Before I let you go,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: let's talk about Jesse Palmer coming back as host for
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the next season. How did you like him as host
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and how was he in her life? Jesse is so kind,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: he's so incredible, like so comforting. I remember being sent
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: home and he did that thing, he put his hands
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: together and he's like, Serene, it's time to see. There
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: could not have been a more comforting person to say
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: those words. I just remember kind of thinking like can
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I hug you? He is so sweet, But there's something
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: so you're right comforting about him, Like I can't put
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: it up. He's just really easy to talk to you.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: He's really comfortable to be around. Yeah. No, he's incredible.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: He's so nice and he's definitely um very hands on,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: like he actually talked to us. He wasn't just like
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a host I mean I don't know like how the
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: other hosts were, but like, uh, he wasn't just a
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: host that showed up when it was time to show up.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Like I would see him around the hotel and he'd
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, he's done, what's up? Like, but you've
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: been up to Like he's just a very nice guy
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: like through um, so love that for him. I think
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: he'll do great. I also think, you know, with what
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Rachel and Gabby went through, like he was there for that,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: you know, so they're comfortable with him and that is
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: every Yes, yes, that's a good, good point. Alright, Sriene,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: you have been a fantastic guest, a fantastic Bachelor contestant,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and we really hope to see you getting with one
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: of those cuties in Paradise. Clayton is rooting for you
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: to do you do here last week that he said
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you're like the one person that he just is really
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: looking forward to finding love in Paradise, you know, if
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you so choose to, that's so nice. And you know
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: he knows some of them, so I'm like, do you
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: know something I don't like? Spill the beans, Clayton, okid,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure, you'll get word from Susie soon enough.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thanks so much for being here. By.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, this is how we have to sign off.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Ben would be so disappointed if I decided to just
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: say bye, okay, this is how we do it. I've
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: been Ashley, oh and I've been set yeay, awesome. We're
• 46:16
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• 46:18
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• 46:22
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