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Dag Nasty · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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  It's Deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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  band. That's right.
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  We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press play
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  and listen. And today, I mean, we're doing
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  all the hard work of, of gathering together 10.
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  And when I say hard work, I mean, we're making the cuts,
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  we're making the decisions, we're making the playlist for
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  you. But I'm going to be honest, 2
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  hours and 9 minutes isn't exactly hard work.
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  We'll get into that more here in a second because we have values
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  here. Heyo, today we are talking about
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  Dagnasty. And this is one of the first
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  times, Chris, you're, you're sitting the table here.
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  I, I don't recall, I assume this was probably an episode where it
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  was just you, me and John AT and afterwards you said, hey,
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  Dagnasty's a band. I'd like to do so.
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  Talk to me about Dagnasty and why are we here talking about
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  them today. Oh, I remember exactly what it
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  was. My band Sketchy had just opened
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  for them in Philadelphia at Theater for Living Arts, and I
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  had the most embarrassing moment of my life eating a musician.
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  I I have never in my life been starstruck.
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  My father is a Teamster, he drives actors, and I've been
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  around celebrities my whole life.
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  It's not been weird. I've been lucky enough to get on
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  really cool tours, meet really cool people, work in the
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  industry. And I walked into the green
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  room, saw Brian Baker, and I did the full on Grandpa Simpson
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  going into the fucking brothel, putting his hat on the thing,
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  picking it back up and turning around and leaving.
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  My guitar player, Guillelmo followed me outside, turned me
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  around, brought me back inside, forced me to talk to Brian.
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  He was the sweetest man I've ever met in my entire life.
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  I said congratulations on being a member of my favorite band.
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  Yes, Lifetime's my favorite band, but Babb Religion is also
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  my favorite band. It's very complicated and it was
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  amazing and it was one of the best shows I ever played.
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  The they gave us a bunch of free merch and the Dagnasty hoodie
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  from their current incarnation, I think from like 2015 on has
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  been the official gig outfit of Sketchy for the last five years.
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  Yeah. And it's just, it's just like,
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  you know, it's the my favorite musician on the project that he
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  had full creative control over. And it's it's a cornerstone of
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  the genre. You know what?
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  I. Mean yeah.
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  So again, I I assume this happened on some episode with
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  you, John, where Chris puts this out and he said, yeah, I'll do
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  that. So talk to me about Dagnasty.
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  Oh, yeah. I mean, of course, you know, we,
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  we did, you know, lifetime and I think at the end of lifetime we
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  talked about like, oh, you know, here's the lifetimes the the
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  blueprint for like, you know, saves the day and all those, you
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  know, melodic hardcore bands leading up until like Turnstile
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  that we talked about, like all these bands that you know, we've
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  done on done on the show. Got a new record?
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  Coming and we were like, Oh, well, Diagnasti is where it
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  really starts. And you know, they you got you
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  really got to talk about, you know, minor threats.
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  Brian Baker was was in minor threat.
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  Minor threat breaks up because half the band wants to go in a
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  more commercial direction. Half the band wants to stay, you
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  know, hardcore Brian Baker was in the commercial side of that.
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  And so he starts Diagnasti and like 85 you think of like, you
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  know, what's going on in DC, like Revolution, Summer, Rights
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  of Spring, Embrace. But like Diagnasti wasn't really
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  a part of that. They were the first hardcore
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  band to really be like, oh, we want to, we want to be
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  successful. Like we want to turn this into
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  like a career. Like we want to be, we want to
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  be famous. And it turned out really
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  interesting because you know, there's still a hardcore band
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  and like, it didn't really work. Like they didn't become the next
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  U2 or whatever, you know, they wanted to be so, but like they
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  they influenced all those bands. Like I was going to ask you,
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  Justin, like can you see the thread?
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  Because like that's what we're kind of been leaning towards,
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  like going from turnstile, you know, back to lifetime and all
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  the bands in between. And like, do you see like the
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  the evolution of this thing, like became a lot of cardcore
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  that like got turned into all this, these different things?
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  Like that's my question to you is can you trace that evolution?
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  Because that's what's, you know, really interesting about going
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  back and doing these bands with you, a person who's like who's
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  never heard them before. I'm guessing to see like, oh,
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  like this gives us this gives us context for, for everything else
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  and all these other bands. Oh, for sure.
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  Like I, I love how sometimes it's not always apples to apples
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  and like it's not always apparent that this is a feeder
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  band that, and I don't think that's the real term, but it's
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  the term I'm using. I, I loved how I wouldn't have
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  guessed that other than production wise, I didn't have
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  like a time frame on it. Like I clearly forgot when we
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  had this conversation about when we're doing this band.
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  So like I didn't realize that that's what we were doing here.
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  And so like, I went to go look at the dates of the records
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  before we hit record today, and I was like, oh, and the stuff
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  started kind of clicking. So like all these things you're
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  bringing up, I'm like, oh, yeah, OK, yeah, yeah, of course.
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  Clearly that makes sense. And to you, you might think
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  like, oh, you know, 19851986, you know, lifetime doesn't start
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  tool. They don't brought their first
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  record till at 89 or 90. And I think, oh, that's like a
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  really long time. But this is pre Internet.
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  You had to rely on like your older brother and you had to
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  rely on like tapes because you couldn't find these records
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  everywhere. So like, it would take a few
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  years for this stuff to like get down to the next generation who
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  would hear it and then go, oh, like, I want to do that and then
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  throw something else into it and throw a new wrinkle in.
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  And then you had, you know, a few years later and then a few
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  years later and back then it took these things took time.
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  Yeah. So I mean, we, we got an
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  interesting nugget here, David, right before we went on to kind
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  of tag in to all this, we were casually talking about top ten
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  artists and we'll probably revisit this on after the fact.
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  So patreon.com/oh, hi Justin, if you like, but you casually go,
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  oh, by the way, Dagnasty is a top 10 for me.
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  So talk about it. Here you are.
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  Yeah, maybe a top five. I I don't know.
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  They hover. It's it's I mean, it is if it's
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  not a top five, it it's number six, you know, right.
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  They just like Chris was saying Brian Baker, one of my favorite
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  guitar players of all time. If there is a Mount Rushmore of
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  it doesn't have a bunch of shithead presidents on it, but
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  badass guitar players, then he could easily be on there for me.
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  So yeah, he he's great. Everything he does is great.
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  You know, we can slide by the, the junkyard stuff if you're not
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  a hair metal guy like, like I am, and that's OK.
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  But. But as far as Diagnasti goes,
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  yeah, they were a band I discovered.
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  And as soon as I did, all I could think was, wait, this is
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  the little guy with glasses from Minor Threat, That's all.
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  Like, like it's his brainchild, you know, like I think there's
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  an interview somewhere where he said he pretty much wanted to
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  make his own version of what he thought the Descendants were
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  pretty much. And, you know, you hear it and
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  but the Descendants are their own weird band and he is his own
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  masterful melodic hardcore guitar God self.
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  So, you know, it isn't exactly a Descendants knock off or
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  anything. Yeah, so I, I, I've got a lot to
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  say about about this band. And I guess one thing we can
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  preface with is that one of their they don't have a ton of
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  releases and one of their you know, what are they where they
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  have 5 albums or so. One of them isn't streaming on
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  Spotify. So that wouldn't the old day.
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  Well, we're going to get. There.
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  Yeah, yeah, before. We got into it if we could.
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  Yeah, I get we won't be doing that one and and that's fine or
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  whatever. John has some other stuff to say
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  about it too. Yeah.
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  That's what I wanted to do. Again, Yeah, we have.
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  We have we. Have.
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  Contention there, but it's not a complete loggerhead point, I
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  don't think. I don't think it's a masterpiece
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  or anything, but I think that he thinks a lot less of it than I
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  do. So anyway, yeah, Diagnasty.
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  Incredible band, Changed my mind on hardcore when I wasn't really
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  into it, changed my life as a guitar player.
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  And yeah. We've talked a lot over the
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  course of the show, like about, you know, especially this this
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  panel specifically, like kind of some some bands that kind of fed
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  into bands that I ended up, you know, really liking in, in later
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  in my life. And I love that kind of
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  discovery to this show. Kind of to John's point before,
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  like I, I think I'd heard Dagnasti's name kind of in
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  passing Jesus Cat kind of in passing Travis Barker, I think
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  has a tattoo of can I say. And so I, I assume at some point
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  he probably talked about them on like a, a blink dock or
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  something that I would have watched.
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  So like the name kind of. Just is his is his bio not his
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  like autobiography? Isn't it also named?
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  Can I say? Probably if it is, I haven't
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  seen it. Yeah.
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  So, you know, so like this is the one of those bands again,
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  kind of to John's point earlier, like this is something that's
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  kind of been right there all along for me.
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  I just never, I never made it there on my own.
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  So here we are. We've we've made reference here
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  a bunch, Chris, like about that. Like we specifically picked this
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  band for this week because we needed something we could do in
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  in less than a week. So 2 hours and 9 minutes.
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  It's not a lot of tracks, but was this, was this an easy one
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  to put together? No, I, I remember I said to you
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  guys last last week, right? We were doing Screeching Weasel
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  and I was like, I could be ready in 24 hours.
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  Yeah. It turns out I cannot be ready
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  in 24 hours. Also like it.
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  It became more difficult because it's the old adage of like,
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  there's the classic record and there's other songs.
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  But I think what I learned doing this is that I had more trouble
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  differentiating between what I wanted to take from other
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  releases than I did. Not just doing can I say, and I
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  don't know if everybody else had the same experience as me, but
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  like, I, I, I because of the fact that they have different
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  vocalists and I know we've left field day out.
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  It's like Peter didn't really get his due here.
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  I mean, wig outs, not a bad record.
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  I do think it's really, I, I, I think it's a lot weaker than
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  other people think it is. And we're gonna talk a little
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  bit about Field Day, I think, right?
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  That does. That's the plan.
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  Yeah, it's gotta be a. Test yeah, alright, cool.
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  I I, I, I think like, I think like that dude is such a
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  footnote in this monolith that it's so bizarre and I'd like I'm
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  glad we're gonna talk about it because of that, but I, I had a
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  lot of trouble with it. I I'll be honest and I, I think
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  my list is like good. And I think I think we're gonna
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  have a high number of, of things the same and we'll get to that
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  when we get to it. But it wasn't an easy one this
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  time. I'll be I'll be honest, I had a
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  lot of trouble breaking things down.
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  In fact, like I got back from the gig I was at today and I had
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  to sit down for an hour and re listen to songs and like I, my
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  girlfriend Rachel was next to me and I was like talking out loud
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  and like punishing her like I, I had trouble.
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  But but but I got there. I got there and I and I'm very
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  pleased with my choices, but this was this was the hardest
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  one for me so far. Interesting, now did you make
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  her listen to Field Day? No, it's not streaming.
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  We're not. We're not using field day.
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  It's not on the list. I I know, but it's on it's on
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  YouTube. You I was going to say that
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  that's that's punishment. I don't know that.
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  Like I don't know that I would recommend.
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  All right, so. I didn't have time for that, you
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  know. So before we, before we, so
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  before we we get to your actual list, then let's let's let's do
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  field day right now. So.
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  Yeah, let's go. Because we're there.
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  So John, like it brought up, got brought up a couple times by
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  David, you know, You know, I couldn't tell if this was
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  sarcasm based on John's reaction, but John, John's last
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  last go was hard pass. So is is is it field days just
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  that bad or does it just not belong?
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  It's it's not great. So Dagnasty like is is like, so
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  how do I put this delicately? So if they're like a victim of
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  the time that they existed, right?
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  So 1985 hardcore, you know, punk is over, right?
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  Things are changing. 1986 may be the worst year for underground
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  music since 1977. Like, not a lot of great stuff.
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  Let's go mad 85 80 yeah, baseball notwithstanding, but 85
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  you have some you still have some good stuff going on 87 you
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  get like, you know, Operation Ivy starts the the old Gilman
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  street starts things starts by 88 you have like, you know, Bad
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  Religion puts out stuffer no effects has ribbed, I think was
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  88. So things are starting to
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  change, like the second wave of punk is starting to like come
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  back up. But in 1986, like the spectre of
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  the 80s is like encompassing everything, right?
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  And that Dagnasty got sucked up into that right?
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  Like we got a Dinko's like there's some very 80s sounding
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  stuff on there. Happened to the Descendants too,
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  right? Like those those last two
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  descendants records are filled with that stuff too.
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  And when you get to Field Day, like they were a different band.
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  I don't think you had any of the original members besides Brian
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  Baker. And it's just like there's I
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  think there's a track. I mean, I listened to it maybe
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  25 years ago when I was like getting into it.
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  And like, I had not listened to it again until a few days ago
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  when we were talking about let me let me go put this on and
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  like see if, if I'm if I remembering things wrong.
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  Like it's, it's just not great. Like there's, I think there's
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  synthesizers. There's like a song where they
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  make fun of one of those songs in the first record, like, oh,
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  we were so dumb into hardcore. Like it's they re.
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  Recorded, they re recorded one of the songs, right And and
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  yeah. It's not better.
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  And like I was, I was at the whole study played here a few
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  months ago and you know, they did a like AQ and a sound check
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  thing that you could go see and you know Henry Owens, I don't
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  know if you guys know Henry Owens.
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  He did the chocolate Zine. He's from Atlanta and he was
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  hosting this Q&A and he was talking about, oh, you know, I I
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  bet you know, talking about one of the guys, the whole steady
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  has he bet them to get a tattoo or something.
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  And the tattoo is like the minor threat sheep, but it has the
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  whole steady and it says like the guy he, you know, paid them
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  to get tattoo and he made a joke like, oh, you know, it's, it's
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  bad, but it's not it's not third diagnosity record bad.
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  So like it's, it's become like it's, it's a known thing that
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  this is like a shitty record and there's a reason it's not on
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  Spotify, because I don't think the band wants it on Spotify.
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  Like they they know that like the reception would not be
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  great. And yeah, I, I do not recommend
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  listening to it. It's, it's, it's the, it's the
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  worst of like that punk band tries to mature and in in the
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  late 80s like it's, it's not great.
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  I, I, I, I will not be listening to it any further.
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  So. I the line has been drawn in the
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  sand. If it had been on this list, I
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  would have zero Acer. Good day.
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  Sir. Hey, tell them like it is.
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  So I think I think I'm in the majority.
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  I mean, you are. I'm not a minority of.
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  One pantheon A in. In the pantheon of Brian Baker
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  records that are remembered as being shitty, I do want to say
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  that The Grey Race is a good fucking album and I I have very
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  good The Grey. Race is light years better than
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  field day or. Anything junkyard kid.
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  But it's remembered. It's remembered the same way you
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  know it's. Remembered.
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  No. Yes it is.
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  Yes, it fucking. Is no, no, no, no, no, no, it's
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  not. It's not no substance, but it's
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  like it's remembered like it's like no substances.
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  You the only comparison is into the unknown if you want to talk
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  about Bad Religion. Well, no, no, no, no, I'm
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  talking just Brian Baker records, but like like like
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  those substance is AI think he's on that right, Isn't that
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  afterwards? Yeah, he's he yeah, he that's a
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  terrible record. I mean that's a that like it's
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  bad idea after bad idea after bad idea, right, but like the
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  grey race is good and I also think field days got stuffed and
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  like the the the only you said like it's not any of the
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  original members. Tedly Peter was on wig out right
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  the singer. But he's not.
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  He's not an original member. No, God, no.
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  God, no, no. But I'm saying like, he's not.
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  He's still a guy from Dagnasty, right?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the. 3rd singer.
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  I, I did it, which is hilarious, which we'll have to get into
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  that the, that, that Dave is not even the original singer.
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  There's stuff on it and everything you said is right.
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  I can't add to the conversation here.
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  I, I, I'll say that like it's got a cool art and it's got a
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  different vibe and it's still got ideas.
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  That's what I'll say. So, David, did you want?
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  Well, yeah, I was. Confused.
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  You know, Brian Baker, I listened to some I can't
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  remember what podcast it was when they interviewed him.
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  It might have been turned out a punk or one of these where he
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  got a pretty long diatribe about steel a day and he said they
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  were assigned to a like one of these subsidiaries of of a
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  major. Giant records for that one.
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  And so they had like this, you know, very minimal major label
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  ish budget, you know, and he was like, you know, for the first
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  time in my life, I was in my like early 20s, I started
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  smoking pot and he's like, and I thought, and that's what he
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  said. He was like I, I, I.
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  Moved to. A he's like, I moved to a like
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  somewhere near the beach and he's like, so I was just going
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  to the beach every day stoned out of my mind.
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  I'm a fucking rock star. I'm on.
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  He's like, in my mind, I'm on a major label and he's like, we
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  just got a new drummer and we didn't have any songs.
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  He's. Like so every he's like, that's
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  why the album is this like mishmash of, you know, Hard
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  Rock, punk rock. There's some like Smith's
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  sounding shit on there. Joel jingly jangly stuff and a
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  bunch of like weird snippets of things is 'cause he was like, we
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  didn't really have any songs. So it was just me coming up with
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  whatever. And I think that just like Chris
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  was saying, there are some things on there.
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  They're pretty cool, but it it it wouldn't be speaking out of
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  turn to say it's a bad album. That's like the general
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  consensus. I surely won't won't be fighting
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  the good fight saying it's a good album, But I think there's
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  there are some cool songs on there.
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  But you know, anyway, that's about as far as as good as it
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  will get there. There's some pretty cool songs
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  on there and they are good, but the album as a whole, weird
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  album. I I passed up a vinyl copy about
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  20 years ago for 8 bucks and now they go for like 150 so you
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  know. Yeah, I'll.
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  I'll kill myself later over it because it's it's the only album
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  of theirs I don't own, but Oh well, life goes on.
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  There you have it. Like it's it's been meted out.
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  We've we've discussed why it's not here.
• 22:17
  And it sounds like All in all, maybe a couple of those songs
• 22:21
  may have entered the discussion, but they probably didn't have
• 22:24
  much chance. So John, with the songs that we
• 22:28
  did have, talk to me about putting your 20 together for
• 22:31
  this one. Yeah, I mean it.
• 22:36
  I had a little bit of, you know, back and forth.
• 22:39
  I mean it again, I probably had, you know, 10 that I that I
• 22:46
  really had to have like that were locks some of my favorite
• 22:50
  songs in the in the genre. But it was a matter of going
• 22:54
  through, you know, 4 on the floor and minority of 1 to pull
• 22:58
  out what I thought was, you know, the best from those, but
• 23:01
  not not difficult. We do you know, this is a super
• 23:03
  quick turn around. So we, yeah, you had to make
• 23:05
  some, had to make some quick decisions.
• 23:08
  Yeah, you know, we didn't. Usually there's, you know, a
• 23:12
  week or two in between where we, we have a little bit of
• 23:15
  discussion about, you know, how, how it's going.
• 23:18
  This time, not so much David. So I, I have no idea.
• 23:21
  I think you had you turned yours around real quick, I think a day
• 23:25
  or two. Oh yeah, well, sort of in the
• 23:31
  mindset of a of the other guys, you know, what do I do?
• 23:36
  Do I just pick everything off? Can I say you know, no, my
• 23:42
  favorite album of theirs and you know, we we we can't mix up
• 23:48
  favorite with with best. But my favorite album of theirs
• 23:51
  is wig out. But I mean, it would be stupid
• 23:55
  to not. Take.
• 23:57
  Yeah. That's that's, that's spicy.
• 24:00
  I'm burning, babe. Well, I mean dude.
• 24:03
  But it would be ridiculous to ignore the fact that can I say
• 24:08
  is I mean, it's the one right? I'm I'm not a fool, but but wig
• 24:16
  out has has some great stuff too.
• 24:20
  So those two, you know, probably were were the easy immediate
• 24:24
  picks. And then I was I was familiar
• 24:27
  with four on the floor and minority at 1:00.
• 24:29
  So it wasn't hard to to revisit and figure out what, you know,
• 24:35
  was was worth ranking from those.
• 24:39
  But it was fun going back to four on the floor for some of
• 24:44
  the deep cuts that I that I hadn't quite I hadn't quite
• 24:49
  listened to and you know, the better part of 1520 years.
• 24:53
  So some of those are a little little fun.
• 24:57
  So you know, we'll get into those roughly as we as we get
• 25:02
  into them, I guess. So similarly, I came away going,
• 25:10
  can I say is like the one. If there's one, then I'm going
• 25:13
  to, I'm going to send somebody to.
• 25:16
  I think I are you. Going to get the chest tattoo.
• 25:18
  That's what we want to know. Yeah, I will not be getting a
• 25:21
  chest tattoo, no. No get get a stomach.
• 25:25
  Cowards. Yeah dude, just don't be a
• 25:29
  coward. Like just do something for once.
• 25:31
  It'll be knife time if anything. Yeah, Knife time, yeah.
• 25:37
  So. That's for the real ones.
• 25:39
  Yes, you know, I in I always do this like I, I try to listen to
• 25:47
  as much of the playlist before we record as possible.
• 25:49
  And with this one, I really did get almost halfway through and
• 25:53
  like, I'm looking at my list and I feel like in hindsight, I feel
• 25:56
  like I've disrespected for on the floor a little bit here
• 26:00
  because when I was listening to it, like I was like, oh man, I
• 26:02
  really like this. This is on my oh, no, uh oh.
• 26:08
  And you know, you have 10 minutes to try to make a
• 26:11
  decision. Then it's like trying to weed
• 26:13
  out, well, what do I take off? And I just, I just didn't want
• 26:16
  to do that, you know, like I, I, it, it's such a, it was such a
• 26:22
  breeze to listen to. Like it's, it's super easy to
• 26:25
  listen to. It felt like there's, there's
• 26:29
  points where you can kind of, you know, throw, you know, just
• 26:34
  throw a dime and you're going to hit a good, a good song.
• 26:37
  So it's whatever, you know, I, I, I just went, I tried to make
• 26:44
  it as easy as possible for myself, knowing that we, we
• 26:46
  were, we had said after we last recorded that, Hey, Sunday,
• 26:50
  we're doing it. So I was like, all right, well,
• 26:52
  I don't want to take too much through from the first pass.
• 26:56
  And then like, I went to tell you guys how many I had left and
• 26:58
  I was like, oh, wait, I, I already did the cuts.
• 27:00
  So I, I, like I said, I think I had 24.
• 27:05
  I I it's as easy as this show can be, you know, like it it
• 27:12
  didn't feel difficult and it's because I didn't overthink it.
• 27:15
  And I think ultimately I'm, I'm thinking harder now then, you
• 27:22
  know, then I did when I was making my cuts.
• 27:24
  So this seems this seems like it has all the makings of something
• 27:30
  that we could either kill or completely like Miss Chris.
• 27:34
  What do you think for the final saying?
• 27:35
  How many do you think we get through?
• 27:37
  Dude, this one is so hard and, and I I think it's hilarious to
• 27:40
  hear you guys say you enjoyed exactly what I hated picking the
• 27:43
  20 songs. And also like, I'm so stoked to
• 27:48
  hear you guys say about four on the floor because it, it is
• 27:51
  actually like a killer record and I never noticed.
• 27:54
  So like my bad to the universe on that.
• 27:58
  I, I, I think, I think I'm gonna go with a tidy 7 above above
• 28:04
  average and I feel confident. I like that math has been been
• 28:12
  your approach lately, John. Is, is math gonna get us
• 28:15
  through? Is is is, is he right?
• 28:19
  I was actually thinking 7 was gonna be my pick.
• 28:21
  So yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stay right
• 28:25
  there. I'm gonna say 6.
• 28:26
  OK. All right, take the under there.
• 28:29
  Everybody's going. Hi David, I this is your chance
• 28:32
  to like kind of snipe a low one just in case or or swing for the
• 28:37
  fences. Yes, a tough call.
• 28:43
  I, I don't want to go low because I think we're going to
• 28:46
  all be drawing from the same well, more or less.
• 28:53
  Only they'd put field day in there, and then maybe we'd.
• 28:57
  Just kidding. Jeez, I'm going to go 5.
• 29:05
  I think 7 might be the number, but I'm going to go 5 just to
• 29:09
  keep it. Keep it somewhere fun all.
• 29:12
  Right, so now the question becomes 5.
• 29:16
  Seems like, you know, Chris used the tidy, the word tidy.
• 29:21
  I I like that to describe 5 actually, because it it, it
• 29:24
  feels like it feels like there's five home runs and then like to
• 29:30
  get the seven would be like 2 that don't didn't feel like they
• 29:34
  would be home runs like unlikely heroes, like the somebody from
• 29:40
  the nine spot hitting a Homer to continue with our baseball.
• 29:45
  Just go right back to the well I.
• 29:48
  Love it. I think I'm going to have to go.
• 29:52
  8 feels too high. I mean it feels possible but it
• 29:55
  feels too high. 14 seems too low but I think I'd rather go low
• 30:00
  here than high so I'm going to go 4I I I don't want to win
• 30:05
  anyway. I don't know why I'm sweating
• 30:07
  it. So go ahead, John.
• 30:12
  Reprimand him. Yes.
• 30:14
  I know he did. He knows he knows what I think.
• 30:16
  I don't have to know the deal. This guy, this guy hates
• 30:20
  winning. It's it's ridiculous.
• 30:21
  You. Know the good news is I don't
• 30:23
  think I've won that often this year like there was.
• 30:27
  Like, is that the good news? Yes, I I don't like that
• 30:31
  pressure. Yeah, the good news is I come
• 30:33
  from a long line of losers, and the entire line is me.
• 30:36
  I. Stand by now he's now.
• 30:39
  He's self sabotaging on purpose. Yes, yes, we're going to take a
• 30:44
  quick pause and when we come back on the other side, we're
• 30:46
  going to play the game. And with that, the name of the
• 30:55
  game is Deprogram. The four of us have come through
• 30:57
  the Dagnasty everything except for Field Day of course,
• 31:01
  discography, and plucked out 20 songs that are now going to mash
• 31:03
  together in an attempt to create a top ten circuit for you in
• 31:06
  case you have never given Dagnasty the time of day.
• 31:11
  And I only got 1 answer when I asked.
• 31:15
  And so like it's from the record we've all talked about a lot.
• 31:20
  So I feel like I'm going to go there 1st and just kind of see
• 31:23
  if it landed with everybody else from can I say?
• 31:26
  Can I say? Oh yeah.
• 31:30
  Yeah, dude, of course. Yes.
• 31:33
  All right, yeah, like I said, is the only answer I got.
• 31:36
  So had to be on something, right?
• 31:40
  Had to be had to be pretty close at least.
• 31:44
  That was that was the only answer you got.
• 31:45
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, no Was.
• 31:48
  It from Travis Barker it. Was not it was not from Travis
• 31:53
  Barker. I should ask him though.
• 31:55
  What are your favorites? Let's see if I can get him on
• 31:57
  for the after the fact. I mean, it's the perfect, I mean
• 32:00
  core song, right? Like it does everything that a
• 32:04
  hardcore song supposed to do, right?
• 32:06
  Yeah, less than two minutes. Boom.
• 32:09
  Like come in, punch you in the face for two minutes and get
• 32:12
  out. I pitched guitar, not squeals,
• 32:17
  but you know what I mean. Dude, they, they, they set the
• 32:23
  bar. Yeah, man.
• 32:25
  All right, one down, Chris, where you want to?
• 32:30
  Go I mean, we could do another one that should have been on
• 32:33
  that list. So I mean like let's there's
• 32:35
  there's two songs that I'm shocked didn't come before.
• 32:37
  Can I say I'll I'll start with circles.
• 32:40
  Yeah, I got it. Oh yeah.
• 32:43
  Yes, hey there, we. Go like perhaps perhaps the best
• 32:47
  riff ever. That intro riff.
• 32:49
  I mean Jesus. Amazing.
• 32:52
  I. I my my band noise mountain we
• 32:57
  played with Field Day. Hey there there, which is which
• 33:02
  is is It was supposed to be Dagnasty wig out era doing, you
• 33:11
  know, all those those songs. But Brian Baker got back in the
• 33:15
  Bad Religion album tour cycle and he gave them their full
• 33:20
  blessing and was like, this is totally legit.
• 33:23
  And they were like, OK, we're going to go by field day because
• 33:26
  that would be totally weird and, you know, separate ourselves
• 33:31
  from just being Dagnasty. And they were fucking awesome.
• 33:38
  And I was talking to to Pete Gortner before the show and I
• 33:46
  was like, dude, there is a this Dagnasty bootleg from Trenton,
• 33:51
  NJ City Gardens and you, you and Doug Carey and the bass player
• 33:56
  hit this harmony in circles. And it's not on the recording
• 34:01
  because they didn't play on. They didn't.
• 34:05
  They didn't. Excuse me, brain is but they
• 34:11
  didn't play on that. But he was like, dude, I know
• 34:15
  the harmony. Do you want to practice this
• 34:18
  right now? Wow.
• 34:19
  He was like, do you want, he was like, we, we don't do it, but do
• 34:22
  you want to practice it with me? And I was like, yeah, I'll go
• 34:25
  low if you go high. And he goes, all right.
• 34:27
  And we just sat there and we were like, I can't, you know, I
• 34:32
  can't watch and not be her or whatever it was.
• 34:36
  And and he goes, perfect, I'm coming for you when we sing that
• 34:40
  song and you better fucking be there.
• 34:42
  We're harmonizing. Oh.
• 34:44
  That's sick. Man, and he did, dude.
• 34:46
  And I'm sure I was like. Whatever.
• 34:50
  You know, but but he fucking, he knew the nerdy, stupid bootleg
• 34:56
  fucking thing that I like punished him with and totally,
• 35:01
  you know, humored me and totally came at me at the show and we
• 35:07
  did it. So it was one of those like one
• 35:09
  of those moments where, you know, don't meet your heroes.
• 35:12
  Well, this time you do. And it like works out perfectly.
• 35:15
  Anyway, long story, but that was the song.
• 35:17
  That perfect fucking story, you know, So I, I just would like to
• 35:21
  add high risk, high reward. They say that in wrestling.
• 35:25
  Yeah. There you go.
• 35:28
  Shooting Star Press. Yes.
• 35:31
  All right, John, where do you want to go?
• 35:34
  All right, well, obviously I've still got a lot from can I say,
• 35:39
  but I'm going to switch it up. I'm going to go to my favorite
• 35:41
  song off of We Got a Dinkos. How about safe?
• 35:46
  Hell yes. Yes, Sir.
• 35:48
  Oh, OK, I'll. Be out man, this might be a 10.
• 35:53
  I'm the odd man out there. I don't have it.
• 35:54
  No real reason. But safe is great.
• 35:57
  Yeah. We'll take the three.
• 35:59
  Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, sorry fellas.
• 36:02
  That's, that's a, that's a really cool song.
• 36:03
  And it's, it's like, it's definitely like, if you ever
• 36:06
  wanted to listen to a hardcore band that wasn't obsessed with
• 36:09
  being tough guys, you know, like, right.
• 36:14
  I I feel like I've let you all down.
• 36:15
  All right. That's OK.
• 36:17
  David, where do you want to? Go.
• 36:20
  I think we'll stick with something off the wig out just
• 36:24
  because I love it so much. What about the Godfather?
• 36:28
  Yes, Sir. Yeah, man.
• 36:31
  Yes. Hey.
• 36:33
  Hell yeah. Boom, boom.
• 36:35
  I did not when I first heard I had like, you know, just an
• 36:40
  assortment of dagnasty burned on ACD from Limewire.
• 36:44
  That was like my my introduction.
• 36:47
  And so I didn't know what was what.
• 36:50
  And when I heard The Godfather on that assortment of songs, I
• 36:54
  was like, this isn't the same band.
• 36:56
  I must have downloaded something else, you know, And because it's
• 37:01
  so melodic. That's, that's interesting,
• 37:04
  yeah. Yeah.
• 37:06
  Was it? Was it because you weren't used
• 37:08
  to hearing Pete's voice or. Well, yeah.
• 37:11
  And just, I mean, you know, I, I was used to the, the more
• 37:16
  blistering, can I say stuff which isn't like that far off
• 37:20
  from it, But it's just there's something a little more, you
• 37:25
  know, I, I don't know what it is, but that that song's real
• 37:29
  riffy in, in its own kind of kind of way, those little minor
• 37:33
  7 noodle leaf things that he's doing.
• 37:37
  Yeah, and it's, I guess it's like more like more rock drums.
• 37:41
  Yeah. Like, it's not, you know, it's
• 37:43
  not like the driving drum beat you're used to again.
• 37:48
  All right, so we're back around to me.
• 37:50
  Let's keep, let's keep exploring other records for now.
• 37:56
  Let's move on over to four on the floor.
• 38:01
  How about still waiting? Yeah, Hell yeah.
• 38:08
  Yeah. Wow.
• 38:12
  Oh yeah, wow. Yeah, this is going to be a
• 38:14
  quick one, boys. Should have picked 12.
• 38:19
  I know, right? Yeah.
• 38:23
  Have you guys ever gotten more than 10 all?
• 38:25
  Four we have. Now here's what I'll say.
• 38:29
  I mean, none of us, you know, picked 10 or over 10 so that it
• 38:33
  won't come into play here. But in that case, if one of us
• 38:37
  were to win it, then we would. The person who wins gets to pick
• 38:42
  which song gets cut to to bring us down to.
• 38:45
  So, OK, well, it's happened before.
• 38:49
  There we go though, just like that, still waiting.
• 38:52
  Let me put the numbers there and we will keep it moving, Chris.
• 39:00
  Well, you guys did a bunch of non, can I say 1?
• 39:02
  So I'm just going to go right back to the goddamn well.
• 39:05
  I won't. I won't go with the windmill
• 39:07
  slam. I'll leave it for someone else.
• 39:09
  Let's do thin line. Yeah, Hell yeah.
• 39:15
  No. OK, yes, all right.
• 39:20
  Had a chance. 333 I had a feeling that was going to be my
• 39:29
  my place is missing the the ones that feel like they they're
• 39:35
  supposed to be there. Where are we at 4 though?
• 39:40
  We're already at 4:00 with with two threes.
• 39:42
  So like I feel like we're we're doing a OK though.
• 39:47
  So I don't mind being wrong on a couple here, John.
• 39:54
  All right, let's see if we can keep it going.
• 39:57
  How about justification? Yes, Sir.
• 40:00
  Oh yeah. Hey.
• 40:02
  Yep, all right. 234 and just like that up to 5.
• 40:09
  There's a local band here, an awesome thrash hardcore band.
• 40:12
  Quadliaccia used to cover that one.
• 40:16
  Oh, no way they did. Yeah, yeah, it's on that
• 40:19
  discography CD. Justification Boom, boom, boom.
• 40:27
  See, I feel like there's going to be enough from can I say that
• 40:33
  we're going to, we're going to have like twos that feel like
• 40:38
  they should have been there, but so far so good.
• 40:41
  Oh yeah, absolutely. All right, David.
• 40:50
  Well, let's see this. This might be a see how this
• 40:53
  goes because it is streaming all ages show.
• 40:59
  I got it. Absolutely.
• 41:05
  No. Yeah, I knew you.
• 41:08
  I knew you wouldn't. That's a good song, man.
• 41:11
  It's a good song. I liked it, yeah.
• 41:14
  I mean obviously I I it made my list.
• 41:16
  I had to give a, a shout out to field Day, but I, I, you know,
• 41:23
  we, we won't have to keep waxing on it or anything.
• 41:26
  But that is a from that album, not it's not the same version
• 41:31
  that's on the Discord box set that we're picking from, but.
• 41:35
  It was on the Yeah, it was on a 7 inch in between.
• 41:38
  Yeah, well. It was like it was on the CD.
• 41:40
  The CD had it like if you had the the original release of it,
• 41:44
  like the vinyl release doesn't have it.
• 41:45
  Yeah. It doesn't.
• 41:46
  Oh, OK. It's it's, yeah, but it's on the
• 41:48
  CD, So if you had the CD, it was on there.
• 41:50
  It it's it's a good fucking song.
• 41:52
  There's good songs on there. I mean, Ambulance song is a good
• 41:54
  song too. And so is Field Day itself.
• 41:56
  Like there's stuff, there's stuff and I would have put some
• 41:58
  of them on here, so. There you go.
• 42:01
  We'll take that three though. Three's a good showing for for
• 42:06
  it. Well, let's I'll I'll keep
• 42:10
  playing off of different records here.
• 42:12
  Let's try out one from minority of one.
• 42:15
  How about throwing darts? No.
• 42:20
  Don't have it? No.
• 42:22
  No. In the bin, he gets too
• 42:26
  confident all right. It was close.
• 42:30
  It was 22 or 23, yeah. All right, Chris.
• 42:35
  Yeah, I, I don't know that record that well.
• 42:36
  So I've only, I've only got like what really stood out to me.
• 42:39
  I, I have I, I do have two songs from it.
• 42:41
  I'll do a non can I say song that I think will be a good one.
• 42:46
  Let's do Million Days off 4 on the floor.
• 42:49
  Oh yeah. I love hearing the hell yeah
• 42:54
  because that's one of the ones I was listening to that I was
• 42:56
  like, oh fuck, where do I make? I wish I, I, I'm wishing now in
• 43:04
  hindsight I would have dropped throwing darts for it.
• 43:07
  But what? What can you do?
• 43:10
  It's another three. I got it.
• 43:12
  All right, now that one. Yes, what you can do is lie bro.
• 43:15
  You just lie. I.
• 43:16
  Could I? Could.
• 43:17
  The integrity of the list must be preserved.
• 43:19
  He's right there. I understand, I understand, I
• 43:21
  understand. It must be preserved.
• 43:23
  I I try to never lie. It's for the culture.
• 43:25
  But I will say like 1000% that was the song I was listening to
• 43:29
  when I messaged you guys like 30 minutes before you went on.
• 43:32
  I was listening to that song and I looked at my list.
• 43:34
  I was like, I don't have this. What the fuck?
• 43:37
  And that's why I specifically said I I feel like I
• 43:39
  disrespected 4 on the floor that song specifically so.
• 43:43
  OK, there you go. Just so you know, like I have no
• 43:46
  problem if we don't get to 10 putting my weight behind million
• 43:50
  days if, if, if it's needed so. Hell yeah.
• 43:54
  All right, John. OK, let's throw.
• 44:02
  Throw a dart, as it were. And let's go to Minority of One.
• 44:06
  Let's go with ghosts. User.
• 44:08
  Oh yes. I got that too.
• 44:11
  Nice. That's a good fucking song.
• 44:15
  It is. These boys are really good at
• 44:18
  track ones. Yeah, that's a good point
• 44:22
  actually. It's because like each one is is
• 44:27
  hey man, this is a different record.
• 44:29
  Like it it sounds this is what's going going on going forward.
• 44:33
  So Ghosts brings us up. To and that that song is that
• 44:40
  song is the real the real lineage towards spans like
• 44:45
  lifetime and you know, like like it, it has that same like get up
• 44:48
  off your feet and jump vibe to it, you know.
• 44:52
  Yeah, I think ultimately that's, I mean, obviously aside from it
• 44:57
  just being a good song, I think ultimately that's what drew me
• 44:59
  to it is it felt like, it felt like the lineage in song.
• 45:04
  So I was like, oh wait. This.
• 45:05
  Contemporary. Yeah, I can.
• 45:06
  Hear you know, I can hear what's around this so.
• 45:11
  They got the, you know, they got the, can I say line up back for
• 45:13
  that one. Oh, that's interesting too.
• 45:16
  OK, that makes sense. Just like that, though it should
• 45:20
  be noted. David, you and I are out.
• 45:22
  We lost. We're sitting at John 6 right
• 45:25
  now with so much gameplay left, so let's see.
• 45:31
  Ghost was John, so it's your turn, David.
• 45:35
  All right, well, let's just go ahead and kick it through the
• 45:39
  field goal here. How about values here right?
• 45:44
  Yeah, let's go. Right.
• 45:47
  I mean, come on, we all have that right.
• 45:52
  Yes. There we go.
• 45:55
  There we tried to add a little suspense, but he knew it was
• 45:57
  coming. I mean, that's we, we can, we,
• 46:03
  we'll, we'll get into it when we, when we get down to the, the
• 46:05
  top 10. But I mean, that's a flagship.
• 46:09
  Song AFIAFI famously covered that one.
• 46:12
  That's right, you know. You know what, we will talk
• 46:15
  about it, but I will take another song over it.
• 46:19
  OK. Yeah, I mean I, I mean it's
• 46:22
  circles. I would take circles over in
• 46:24
  every way. They are neck and neck for sure.
• 46:28
  Yeah, I understand. You know, I always like to
• 46:31
  point, point out the and it's kind of surprising, I guess that
• 46:35
  I didn't start there. But when you do the thing right
• 46:40
  off the bat and I know what's up, that's what values here was
• 46:43
  like, I was like, OK, I already I know what to expect.
• 46:46
  I know what what's going on going forward and it completely
• 46:49
  delivered on that. And because of that, we are
• 46:52
  sitting at Chris's seven with still a good handful of songs
• 46:57
  out there. So now the question becomes, do
• 47:02
  I just keep playing outside the lines?
• 47:05
  I feel like I I keep playing out.
• 47:07
  I'm looking at this other song that I'm I'm feeling really bad
• 47:10
  about keeping. I'm wishing I would have dropped
• 47:12
  now in hindsight, but Oh well. How would I look at this?
• 47:21
  I'll look at another 4 on the floor song.
• 47:22
  How about that? How about going down?
• 47:27
  No. Oof, the silence is.
• 47:31
  Definite. That is a good song.
• 47:32
  That is a good song, but I also don't have it.
• 47:34
  That's a good song all. Right into the bin it goes,
• 47:40
  Chris. I I'll go to.
• 47:47
  Can I say something that I think might not be universal?
• 47:51
  I'll go, I've heard. Oh yeah.
• 47:56
  Oh hell yeah. I do not have that one.
• 48:00
  Oh, I got it. Yeah, absolutely.
• 48:02
  Yeah, that the rift at like a minute in like down, down, down,
• 48:06
  down, down. Like I, it makes me want to
• 48:08
  break things. I just want to destroy
• 48:10
  everything around. Me, it shares, it shares a lyric
• 48:14
  with the Godfather and I don't know how or why that was
• 48:19
  decided, but it has the the same.
• 48:24
  It's hard to give, it's hard to get part.
• 48:27
  I want to be sure we're we're not talking about the version on
• 48:30
  field day. No, that's the only redid.
• 48:34
  That is the only redid. Oh my God.
• 48:37
  Is it I've heard where they? It's like a 12 second test take
• 48:42
  or. Something, Yeah.
• 48:42
  Well, it's, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a blip, right?
• 48:44
  Yeah. Well, don't they also do?
• 48:47
  What's the other Dagnasty song on?
• 48:51
  Can I say where? It's like, I saw you the other
• 48:53
  day and you passed by me and you didn't even say a word.
• 48:56
  And then they like parody that too.
• 48:57
  And it's like, all right, guys, don't make fun of yourselves
• 49:01
  here. Right.
• 49:04
  All right, John. All right, let's go to the most
• 49:12
  recent Dagnasty, where they got the original singer Sean Brown.
• 49:17
  Shout out to Swizz, who's an amazing band.
• 49:20
  How about Cold Heart? Oh.
• 49:23
  Man, no, I gave that a good. Put that I have it too, yeah.
• 49:28
  I don't have it. I that's a great 7 inch though.
• 49:31
  It I was, yeah, you know, I was very, I mean, I wasn't like
• 49:37
  skeptical or anything. It's Dagnasty.
• 49:38
  I was just like, OK, well, let's see what what's gonna happen.
• 49:42
  Every time they come out with something, it's kind of a new
• 49:45
  adventure, you know, But I was very thrilled.
• 49:49
  I mean it it, it gave me everything that I wanted.
• 49:52
  But I do not. I've never heard it, but I was
• 49:54
  impressed. Yeah, I really.
• 49:55
  Did exactly the same for me. It like it made 20 easy for me.
• 49:59
  I was like you know what this is like this feels like worth
• 50:01
  talking about. That's really why I put it, you
• 50:02
  know. I would have if I have to put a
• 50:06
  number to it, I'm guessing it was like 24.
• 50:09
  I think it it was one of those ones on my first pass.
• 50:12
  I really like that. So, David?
• 50:18
  Let's see, I don't think I've done anything off of four on the
• 50:21
  floor. How about SFS?
• 50:26
  Yep, I got it. I do not.
• 50:31
  No. Now we're getting into the two
• 50:35
  territory. Oh yeah, that one's Brian Baker
• 50:40
  and and his Minor Threat bandmate Lyle Pressler.
• 50:45
  They played on this Meet Man album called The War of the
• 50:47
  Super Bikes. And if you if you've heard it or
• 50:52
  if you haven't heard it, rather, it's not far off from like this
• 50:59
  style of song. A lot of the album, except for
• 51:01
  it's got, you know, Tesco V singing.
• 51:04
  So it's, you know, a lot more gnarly, but it's total Brian
• 51:10
  Baker, mid to late 80s guitar God punk rock.
• 51:17
  It's got the rosage, the harmonies, like chorus, like,
• 51:21
  like kind of remind me like more of like big boys songs, you
• 51:23
  know? Yeah, Yeah.
• 51:25
  And like the the palm muting is like, just like blistering fast.
• 51:29
  It's just a fun song. Yeah, he's so good.
• 51:32
  He's so good, yes. God controversial statement.
• 51:35
  Yeah, yeah. Hot tank Brian Baker.
• 51:38
  Amazing. Very.
• 51:39
  Good. All right, let me try out a wig
• 51:45
  out song. I don't think I've done one of
• 51:46
  those yet. How about trying?
• 51:50
  Yep, I got it. Super, got it.
• 51:54
  We're back. Oh, and we we skate past the the
• 52:01
  seven, so nobody wins but. You know what we're doing
• 52:06
  praises, right rules here because like, I got a shot then.
• 52:09
  Nope, Nope. I mean, if, if we get no more
• 52:13
  than we, we talk our way to the to the last two.
• 52:16
  Yeah, we're getting into 10 here.
• 52:17
  I I guarantee it. Oh yeah, I think we're, I think
• 52:19
  we're going above 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all.
• 52:23
  Right, boom, trying is in. Let me 1234, let me mark that
• 52:30
  and then we will get to. Chris is that, is that like the
• 52:34
  the the most harmonics we've had so far is there?
• 52:36
  So that's really nice. Boom, boom, boom.
• 52:40
  All right, Chris. I mean, I you guys keep not
• 52:45
  doing, can I say songs like I'm like the uncool guy that like,
• 52:48
  oh, should we go back? I'll do like the Super self
• 52:53
  title. I'm gonna go with Dag.
• 52:54
  Nasty off, wig out. That was one of my other 2024
• 53:00
  first pass that didn't make it. Yeah, I don't have it.
• 53:03
  I got it. OK.
• 53:06
  Take the 2. That's all right.
• 53:09
  Boom and boom. Got a couple in play here for to
• 53:13
  fill out our list. John.
• 53:19
  All right. I'll go back to, can I say, how
• 53:21
  about under your influence? Yep.
• 53:26
  Yep. Oh no, we'll take that three
• 53:30
  though. You guys are practically done I
• 53:32
  think. I got 3 left.
• 53:35
  Yeah, I've got a few left. Yeah, I've got a lot left
• 53:38
  because I've been the one. Still got 5.
• 53:42
  All right, So we'll do a couple more rounds then.
• 53:45
  Andre, your influence was John and David.
• 53:51
  Let's see, I'm gonna go with something off minority of one,
• 54:00
  which will be minority of 1. No.
• 54:08
  I got it. I do too.
• 54:11
  Oh, all right, boom, boom. Little just ass kicker guitar
• 54:17
  solo in. That one you know.
• 54:21
  Of course, I mean, whenever he does a solo, it's fucking
• 54:24
  awesome. My my old roommate.
• 54:29
  So I got that album when it came out and I don't know why,
• 54:34
  because I didn't know anything about Dagnasty.
• 54:36
  And that was what led me to backtrack and get the other
• 54:41
  stuff. But my roommate at the time who
• 54:46
  was, was also, you know, into punk rock.
• 54:48
  He was like, man, these guys are totally ripping off Pennywise.
• 54:54
  No, and and I, I knew enough to know that they were an old, an
• 54:58
  old school band, but I didn't know like, you know, I, this is
• 55:02
  like still the Wild West of, of the Internet as far as
• 55:05
  information was concerned. So it was like, oh, OK, it's the
• 55:10
  guy from minor threat with the glasses who is in Bad Religion.
• 55:15
  Like, you know, like that's like he's in Bad Religion now.
• 55:19
  Did you play on generator? You know, like the pieces
• 55:22
  weren't weren't put together yet, you know.
• 55:24
  And anyway, these guys totally ripped off Pennywise.
• 55:28
  Like no no, these guys fucking influenced Penny Wise to become
• 55:32
  a band. If you haven't penny wise, penny
• 55:35
  wise those in their entire career.
• 55:37
  Yeah. Yeah, they'll say it too you.
• 55:39
  Know, I don't know about that band, like like any dude in that
• 55:42
  band would like literally spit out their drink if they heard
• 55:44
  somebody say. Yeah, but like it's that those
• 55:48
  early epitaph bands, like they were all influenced by by
• 55:53
  Dagnasty. Like even you know, Dave
• 55:56
  Smalley, you know, with from after he left Dagnasty when he
• 56:01
  joined all and then after he left all joined started to spend
• 56:06
  down by Law, which was an early epithet ban and put out some
• 56:10
  pretty good records in the mid 90s.
• 56:12
  But like to me, minority of one like that sounds like down by
• 56:15
  law to me, because that's the classic Dave Smalley vocals that
• 56:19
  like you hear on like punk rock Academy fight song and all
• 56:22
  scratched up like and I love those records.
• 56:24
  So yeah, it was, it was an easy life for me.
• 56:27
  He was in full form with that, I think already on a four on the
• 56:30
  floor. You know, it was like he kind of
• 56:33
  found his his mid range that he could do without just belting it
• 56:38
  out all the time, you know, and Oh yeah.
• 56:40
  His his vocals in all are incredible.
• 56:42
  Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah.
• 56:45
  I, I, I, I listened to the all episode that you guys did.
• 56:50
  So you guys gave him his, his, his, his flowers.
• 56:53
  Yeah. If you had to go back and like
• 56:56
  think like all those bands, right?
• 56:57
  Like the East Coast, Oh, I'm sorry, the the West Coast
• 57:00
  hardcore sound, right? A lot of hardcore sound and you
• 57:02
  thought about like all the bands they were most influenced by,
• 57:05
  like adolescence is obviously number one, right, Even though
• 57:07
  they were from the West number one bandit.
• 57:10
  Like you have to give flowers to to diagnosity for every single
• 57:17
  band there. Like like minor threat being the
• 57:21
  the Godfather, right? And then adolescence, minor
• 57:25
  threat, adolescence diagnosity, minor threat descendants.
• 57:28
  Like what else could be the bigger things, right?
• 57:31
  Bad Religion maybe might also. Well, they, they, they, they,
• 57:37
  they credit the adolescence with everything they were, right.
• 57:39
  So it's like I'm trying to think of like, what was like the
• 57:41
  blood, You know what I mean? Oh, OK, you're, you're you're
• 57:44
  pushing before. Right, 'cause like they increase
• 57:47
  the best at it. Yeah, that that religion was the
• 57:50
  best at it, right. And I, I will never get that way
• 57:52
  'cause they are, like I said, like I consider them to be a
• 57:55
  band I would call my favorite band.
• 57:56
  But like, they're, they didn't come up with the blueprint like
• 57:59
  the bands I'm talking about did, right?
• 58:01
  Like, like the adolescence added in, added in the harmonies and
• 58:06
  the melodies and the Descendants added the pop element and Minor
• 58:12
  Threat added the, like the attitude and like the political
• 58:16
  discourse and like the songwriting, right.
• 58:19
  And then Dagnasty was like the the commercial side.
• 58:23
  Yeah, that's just how I see it, you know.
• 58:26
  Yeah, Dagnasty is like the band before the band.
• 58:30
  Like if they'd come out, if they'd started in like 1991,
• 58:34
  they would have been huge. Yeah.
• 58:37
  They were just, they were ahead of their time.
• 58:39
  Yeah, All right. I'm thinking we got two more
• 58:46
  full rounds before the dump out. I think.
• 58:50
  So like the question becomes, well, I mean how about I try one
• 58:55
  of my, can I say tracks that are left?
• 58:58
  Feels like I can find one of you on one of these.
• 59:01
  How about 1:00 to 2:00? Oh yeah.
• 59:06
  Yep, got it. Yes.
• 59:09
  One of the great bake outs that's got the the the false
• 59:14
  stop. Boom, boom, boom.
• 59:18
  And just like that, boys, do we have one more in US?
• 59:23
  I only have one song left. Uh oh.
• 59:27
  That's a lot of pressure. All right, Chris, let's find
• 59:32
  out. Well, all I have left is what
• 59:34
  now? Yes, Sir.
• 59:38
  I don't have it. No.
• 59:40
  Oh. All right, so there's no more,
• 59:45
  no more unanimy on the table. So no matter what we're, we're
• 59:48
  we're talking to get to number what number 10 is.
• 59:53
  But we can make it harder, John. We can.
• 59:56
  We can get a couple more threes in here.
• 59:59
  Yeah, how about simple minds? Yes, Sir.
• 1:00:07
  Last minute cut. Oh.
• 1:00:10
  Great song. Yeah, I mean.
• 1:00:12
  We're playing with house money now.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  All right, David. How about exercise?
• 1:00:23
  You know what, that's another one that I was listening to
• 1:00:26
  right before we went on. And, you know, I, I thought
• 1:00:29
  about do I look for a place to put this?
• 1:00:32
  And I just, I didn't want to, I didn't want to do the work after
• 1:00:35
  I'd already done the work. I gave it a hard second look,
• 1:00:39
  but it didn't make it. All right, I'm thinking rather
• 1:00:46
  than roll through another round since Chris is out, I'm just
• 1:00:49
  going to dump out here, even though I've I, these are mostly
• 1:00:54
  going to be ones at this point, I think never go back.
• 1:01:00
  What can I say? Yes.
• 1:01:03
  No. I'll take a 2.
• 1:01:05
  But it's great. Yeah, I'll take a two and a dump
• 1:01:07
  out. I'll come back to that one.
• 1:01:13
  Lie down and die. Never go back.
• 1:01:17
  No, I do not have Lie down and die.
• 1:01:20
  No. Oh, in the bin, average man off.
• 1:01:27
  No, OK, no off. Cold heart wanting nothing.
• 1:01:38
  No. No.
• 1:01:40
  And then last but not least. Didn't have room for both of
• 1:01:42
  them. Yeah, that's that's why I took
• 1:01:44
  wanting nothing is because I didn't have room for both of
• 1:01:47
  them. And then last but maybe least
• 1:01:51
  crucial 3. Great song, I did not put it on
• 1:01:57
  the list. No, it didn't have.
• 1:02:00
  All right, so into the bin it goes.
• 1:02:03
  You can make it harder with a couple more twos here, John.
• 1:02:08
  Oh, I've only got 1 left. It's white flag there.
• 1:02:10
  You go. No.
• 1:02:13
  And if that's not David's, no, All right.
• 1:02:16
  And then just for fun, David, what do you got left?
• 1:02:19
  I've got fall trying and bottle this, which was one of the
• 1:02:28
  minority of 1 deep cuts that I we.
• 1:02:30
  Said trying. It's on there.
• 1:02:32
  Oh, is it? Oh, I'm sorry, that's a four.
• 1:02:36
  Sorry, I didn't cross it off my I think we all had that.
• 1:02:40
  Yeah, sorry. I've got fall and bottle this
• 1:02:43
  and that's it. All right, so 9 it is which you
• 1:02:49
  know my heart toll nine that we could.
• 1:02:52
  Have I don't think I've ever got a show more than five.
• 1:02:54
  I honestly don't. I mean, what I yeah, I guess
• 1:02:58
  not. I you know, we've all kind of
• 1:03:01
  been all over the place in in these episodes.
• 1:03:04
  So here's the nine and then we can start talking about these
• 1:03:08
  threes and and you know what's what's really.
• 1:03:11
  So I actually don't know who wins now.
• 1:03:14
  Nobody. Nobody wins.
• 1:03:15
  We just discuss which song is number 10, you know so.
• 1:03:19
  Oh boy. We all win because we get to
• 1:03:22
  talk about Dagnasty. That's right.
• 1:03:24
  Yeah, it's fair. The nine that are in can I say
• 1:03:27
  circles The Godfather still waiting Justification ghosts
• 1:03:30
  values here trying 1:00 to 2:00 is good.
• 1:03:36
  So I mean inclination here is to take one of the threes, right?
• 1:03:40
  Like so here. What do we got safe thin line
• 1:03:43
  all ages show million days. I've heard under your influence
• 1:03:47
  minority of one. I mean, I'll toss this over to
• 1:03:52
  you, Chris, but my inclination is to put my weight behind a
• 1:03:55
  million days because like I felt.
• 1:03:59
  I was gonna I was I I had that written down like windmill slam
• 1:04:03
  all the way I and then again, like, I don't know, I I I love
• 1:04:05
  that you said it was late cut for you and like that it kind of
• 1:04:07
  stats you just before this right?
• 1:04:09
  That's what you said, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Yeah, like I it, it, it's, it's so good and it, and it's like,
• 1:04:16
  again, a band that you don't think about the leader catalog.
• 1:04:18
  I think it's a real stand out. I I genuinely think that it's so
• 1:04:22
  good that it'd be a shame to not have it on there.
• 1:04:26
  So yeah, David's, David's with it.
• 1:04:28
  I mean, I know, I know you're not one for brevity when it
• 1:04:32
  comes to this. You like to bring lots of songs
• 1:04:34
  into into the conversation, John, but I mean, everybody's
• 1:04:38
  going to bat for a million days. Is there something else that we
• 1:04:41
  should be looking at? Yeah, see, I was going to, I was
• 1:04:44
  going to fight for safe. I think that is a is a that's a
• 1:04:49
  big song. I think it would fit really well
• 1:04:51
  with this 10. I agree that that's also a great
• 1:04:56
  choice. And like I said earlier, like I
• 1:04:57
  love that it's not a tough guy song.
• 1:04:58
  It like kind of shows a different side.
• 1:05:01
  It has that what the Descendants added to those bands I was
• 1:05:03
  talking about, they were the blueprint, right, You know?
• 1:05:06
  Yeah. Kind of a similar riff as A
• 1:05:09
  Million Days. And then, you know, if we're
• 1:05:12
  talking about Brian Baker's right hand man.
• 1:05:20
  We're always sorry about that. And that's a tough call.
• 1:05:26
  Both of those are personal favourites, so.
• 1:05:30
  I mean, here's the only thing I'll say about the only negative
• 1:05:37
  I have to say about safe versus million days is the fact that,
• 1:05:41
  like I said, when when million days came up in my pre show
• 1:05:45
  listen like I wanted to, I wanted to do the work to find a
• 1:05:50
  place for it because I felt like I messed up, whereas that didn't
• 1:05:54
  happen with safe. Now, again, I'm not saying it
• 1:05:56
  doesn't belong. What I'm saying is it, it didn't
• 1:05:59
  do that thing. So do we want to put any weight
• 1:06:02
  to that in this conversation? Or do you guys just want to talk
• 1:06:08
  it out and figure it? Because it sounds like those are
• 1:06:10
  the choices, save for a million days.
• 1:06:13
  They both use the same really kick ass braising in the guitar
• 1:06:19
  solo and it's just funny. I I don't think I've ever
• 1:06:24
  thought about the similarities between the two songs, but they
• 1:06:27
  are. They're almost kissing cousins.
• 1:06:30
  Stylistically, yeah. I just listen to it now and I
• 1:06:34
  can't believe anyone noticed that.
• 1:06:35
  That's wild. Yeah, the lead that he does.
• 1:06:37
  I, I'm really, I'm really split on this one, guys like this is
• 1:06:40
  this is I, this is tough. Yeah.
• 1:06:44
  All right. Well, and I think the only way
• 1:06:46
  to to cure this is a vote pick between safe million days.
• 1:06:53
  Gun to your head, Chris, one or the other.
• 1:06:58
  I I'm going to stay with what I said.
• 1:07:01
  I'm going to go for a million days.
• 1:07:02
  I don't feel great, but that's what I'm going.
• 1:07:04
  I think it's safe to say safe, John.
• 1:07:08
  Yep. That means it's all down to you,
• 1:07:11
  David. Safe or million days?
• 1:07:17
  Why do you ever do this kind of stuff?
• 1:07:18
  I'm going to go with safe, you know, Pam Anderson versus
• 1:07:21
  Carmen. Electra here.
• 1:07:24
  You know, yeah. You know, whoever wins we, we,
• 1:07:31
  we. All win they're.
• 1:07:32
  Both great. So safe.
• 1:07:34
  Safe is the choice. I don't think you know Million
• 1:07:36
  Days has anything to. To cry about like it fought a
• 1:07:40
  hard, hard fought battle in, you know, in a tightly contested
• 1:07:46
  because there was only room for one.
• 1:07:48
  Like if if we only get 8, it's possible they both get in.
• 1:07:52
  So all right, let's wind it down.
• 1:07:55
  We've got our 10 and let's crank it back up.
• 1:07:58
  So here's our ten, can I say circles the godfather still
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  waiting justification ghost values here trying one to two
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  and safe. Now, Chris, we've, we've gone
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  through all the conversations, you know, we've talked about,
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  you know, initially what was the one?
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  Now that you know, all the 10, is it still the same?
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  What do you think? What's the 1 coming out of this?
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  I mean, we had this conversation, right?
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  It's between values. Here in circles, OK, I mean and
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  I and I. You know what?
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  I've never gotten to be the Dick.
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  And I'm going to be the Dick, and I'm going to say Circles.
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  I know the argument. I get it.
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  Circles is a better song. I'm going with it.
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  And I think they both represent the band equally well.
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  All right. What do you think, John?
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  Is it 1? Of those two or is it something
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  else see like if you had showed me.
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  This 10 before we started, I would have said, Oh, it's can I
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  say like that's their that's their song.
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  But like I think circles is maybe low key their Best Song.
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  Like listen to that when that bridge comes in and like the the
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  guitar line is so good. And I think it's it's
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  underrated. So I think, yeah, I think I'm,
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  I'm, I'm, I'm on board with circles.
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  All right, David, what do you think?
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  Totally fine with it. All right, well.
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  You know, let's not belabor the point then.
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  Let's go with circles. Boom boom, boom Circles is our
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  number one. We put in some work today,
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  fellas, but we also did fine work today, fellas.
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  Let's get that going underneath us.
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  I'll rundown our list one last time and we'll get on out of
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  here. Circles is our number one.
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  Can I say the Godfather still waiting.
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  Justification, ghosts, values here, trying one to two and safe
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  rounds out our 10. And with that, let's let circles
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  get a moment in the sun. I wish the moment in the sun
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  could be a little bit longer. Because I feel like I feel like
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  people listening to the pod would enjoy that, but Spotify
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  doesn't and they try to kick me off of their platform when I do
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  that. So sorry folks, but now you have
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  a list that you can listen to. I mean, let that riff guide you.
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  Let that riff guide you to the sun.
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  That's all I have to. Say yes.
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  So we've done all the work for you, man, like we've.
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  Made a a list of 10 songs for you to go listen to in case
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  you've never listened to Dagnasty again.
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  We did all the heavy lifting. As you can tell, it's a very
• 1:10:40
  agreeable band. We came out with 9.
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  And you know, I wouldn't say it got heated that like the only
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  little bit of heat was discussing #10 and this was just
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  a super easy breezy band to listen to.
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  And if you got two hours, I recommend just do taking the
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  whole thing. It's it's, it's great except
• 1:11:02
  field day. Except for field day.
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  Of which of course. If you're on Spotify, you can't
• 1:11:07
  do anyway. So if you're interested in the
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  full list, I can find it for you and you can listen to everything
• 1:11:12
  but field day. But we've done it.
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  We we did all the work. Boom, boom, boom.
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  You can now comment on our list. Hey, man, I think you guys
• 1:11:23
  missed this song. I don't know, man, we did 9.
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  I don't I don't think we missed anything, but you know, I would
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  have done this song or this is my favorite Dagnasty song.
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  Or maybe, maybe you want to say Manfield Day is my favorite.
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  Yeah, I I can't say one way or the other.
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  I can't say 1. Go ahead and say it.
• 1:11:43
  Go ahead and say it, babe. I'm.
• 1:11:45
  I can't say one way or the other because I've never listened to.
• 1:11:48
  It but if that's you, you can do that here on Spotify, but if
• 1:11:53
  you're going to do that, please leave us five stars.
• 1:11:54
  It helps us get seen in the algorithm Same thing goes for
• 1:11:57
  Apple podcasts. Five stars leave a review super
• 1:12:01
  helpful would appreciate that sharing of course is caring, but
• 1:12:06
  maybe you got a dollar a month. patreon.com/show Hi Justin
• 1:12:10
  really is helpful if if you got a buck a month you can help out.
• 1:12:15
  You know, you get deprogrammed before the rest world to get the
• 1:12:18
  conversation we're about to have after the fact, which I think we
• 1:12:21
  might actually get into top 10 bands because we discussed that
• 1:12:25
  a little bit. And I've got a hot movie take
• 1:12:27
  that the boys are probably not going to give a shit about, but
• 1:12:30
  we'll find out. You have a fucking wrestling
• 1:12:34
  thing I got to talk about to you, but it's not going to bore
• 1:12:35
  anybody. Trusts.
• 1:12:36
  Me, it's going to be OK. I have a really weird experience
• 1:12:38
  today at a comic book convention Yes, the planning planning for
• 1:12:41
  us to talk about on after the fact and.
• 1:12:43
  You can only hear that by going to patreon.com/show.
• 1:12:45
  Hi, Justin. It also gets you a special role
• 1:12:49
  in our Discord server, the Legion Stupid Discord.
• 1:12:51
  So all that is super helpful by doing that for Patreon.
• 1:12:54
  And plus it just is, it makes me feel good, man.
• 1:12:57
  Like it makes me feel like the work we're putting in here at
• 1:13:00
  Deprogrammed is worth something. Maybe you want to join the
• 1:13:04
  discord server but not do all the other stuff.
• 1:13:06
  That's fine. The Legion of stupid Discord.
• 1:13:08
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• 1:13:10
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• 1:13:19
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• 1:13:23
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• 1:13:26
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• 1:13:28
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• 1:13:30
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• 1:13:33
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• 1:13:35
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• 1:13:38
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• 1:13:40
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• 1:13:43
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• 1:13:51
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