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BONUS: What Does Ryan Day Look For In A Quarterback? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: All right, we've got another bonus show for you. This
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  Speaker 1: one is going to be focused on the Ohio State offense,
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  Speaker 1: and the Buckeyes have been pretty good for the most
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  Speaker 1: part on offense. Definitely some things to question, some things
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  Speaker 1: to look at, lots of areas where they need to improve.
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  Speaker 1: One of the areas that has kind of come in
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of criticism so far this season is
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  Speaker 1: the running back room. It feels like you're sort of
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  Speaker 1: seeing them be patient and read blocks and But are
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  Speaker 1: they then exploding through the hole and picking up big
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  Speaker 1: plays at the second level like the coaching staff wants?
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  Speaker 2: I thought that the second part of your question was
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  Speaker 2: good going into this game. I don't think it was
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  Speaker 2: very good in this past game. And I think you
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  Speaker 2: want to be slow too and fast through. You want
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  Speaker 2: to be violent through the line of scrimmage. You have
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  Speaker 2: to feel the blocks in terms of what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to deliver the linebackers in some of the
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  Speaker 2: zone game. But when it comes to gap scheme, we're downhill.
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  Speaker 2: There's not much to read there. We are downhill when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to that, but also in the zone schemes,
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  Speaker 2: the vision and understanding where that's going to hit is
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  Speaker 2: something I think those guys are getting a better feel for,
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  Speaker 2: I do. But when it comes to the second level,
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  Speaker 2: I think that there's been signs in the first two
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  Speaker 2: games that it was very good, not in this past
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  Speaker 2: game when you watch the film. So that's a challenge
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  Speaker 2: to them. Yeah, but we've got to get better in
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  Speaker 2: those areas. I thought we had some really good big
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  Speaker 2: holes in the game, and those should have been explosive plays,
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  Speaker 2: and they weren't. But those guys know that. They're challenged.
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  Speaker 2: They own it. And so we got to have a
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  Speaker 2: good week of practice and we got to make sure
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  Speaker 2: we're practicing some of those situations. Not that we haven't
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  Speaker 2: done it. It was a huge emphasis in the offseason.
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  Speaker 2: So it needs to show up here against Illinois.
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  Speaker 1: The Buckeyes were pretty dominant on offense for the most
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  Speaker 1: part against Kent State, but they were just one for
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  Speaker 1: eight on third down. Now, there are lots of reasons
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  Speaker 1: for that. And the backups were in for a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of those and, you know, different situations in the game.
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  Speaker 1: But that's something that has come up already this season.
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  Speaker 1: They have not always been able to be as good
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  Speaker 1: on third downs as they wanted to in situations that
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  Speaker 1: were more important than Kent State. So what did they
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  Speaker 1: learn going back to watch the film on those third
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  Speaker 1: down plays?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You got the third downs where you're third and long,
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  Speaker 2: different than third medium, different than short yardage. And we
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  Speaker 2: all know that when we get our short yardage situations,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the goal is to be over 80% there.
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  Speaker 2: We want to be at 90%, not the case right now. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was a breakdown on both of the
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  Speaker 2: ones you're talking about, the fourth down against Texas and
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  Speaker 2: then this one most recently. Yeah, I mean, those are
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  Speaker 2: the big ones there. And I think in those situations,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we didn't do a great job handling the
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  Speaker 2: C & D gap. So, you know, we got to
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  Speaker 2: do a better job of that and then make sure
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  Speaker 2: we're putting those guys in the right situation with the
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  Speaker 2: right angles. And execute that better. But like I said before,
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  Speaker 2: making sure we're looking at other ways to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And that's it. So, you know, it's obviously all attention
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  Speaker 2: goes to that to make sure that we're converting. Because
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  Speaker 2: when we find ourselves in a short yardage situation, we
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  Speaker 2: have to convert. I mean, that's where games are won
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  Speaker 2: and lost. And if we're going to reach our goals
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  Speaker 2: this year and play well in the conference, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to get that done.
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  Speaker 1: The quarterback position is always a very hot topic. And
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  Speaker 1: when Ryan Day is evaluating quarterbacks, he obviously was a
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  Speaker 1: college quarterback himself. He was a quarterback coach in the
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  Speaker 1: NFL and at college, at the college level. When they're
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  Speaker 1: evaluating quarterbacks, what are they valuing? Are they evaluating efficiency?
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  Speaker 1: Are they evaluating playmaking? What else are they looking at
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  Speaker 1: when they're trying to decide who they want to be
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  Speaker 1: their quarterback?
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  Speaker 2: I think anytime you're looking at quarterbacks, you, you first
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  Speaker 2: off want to look at competitiveness. And so when you
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  Speaker 2: think about the different quarterbacks, I guess we've had here,
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  Speaker 2: they've all come in different shapes and sizes. Um, You
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  Speaker 2: look at the guys who make it in the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: same thing. You look at Mahomes, you look at Allen,
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  Speaker 2: you look at some of the different guys, they all
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  Speaker 2: have different ways to do it. Tom Brady couldn't move,
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  Speaker 2: and like you say, maybe wasn't a quote-unquote playmaker, but
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  Speaker 2: made a lot of throws and was a really good quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Then you look at someone like Lamar Jackson, maybe you
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  Speaker 2: would say he makes plays, but that's his style of play.
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  Speaker 2: To me, the number one thing is the competitiveness and
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  Speaker 2: understanding that at the end of the day, you have
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  Speaker 2: to move your team down the field, score touchdowns and
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  Speaker 2: win games. That's what it comes down to. So there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot that comes with that, as you know. And
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  Speaker 2: the accuracy of being able to throw the football is
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  Speaker 2: just a part of it. So much of it is
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  Speaker 2: just leading men. And there's a lot that comes with that,
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  Speaker 2: like you said. So whether you can do that with
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  Speaker 2: your feet or with your arm, it kind of depends
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  Speaker 2: on your skill set. That being said, you know, all
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  Speaker 2: of our quarterbacks have the ability to make plays with
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  Speaker 2: their feet. And so when things break down, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's extending or scrambling, that's an opportunity to continue
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  Speaker 2: to get first downs and that's it. So I guess
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  Speaker 2: that's really what it comes down to in terms of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, making plays. If you're making throws, you're making plays.
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  Speaker 2: If you're making plays with your feet, you're making plays
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  Speaker 2: with your feet. So, you know, all things that we
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  Speaker 2: talk about in evaluating quarterbacks and not just evaluating quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 2: but what we coach here at Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: The Bison package is something we have seen from Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State over the years from the offensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: This year, it's Jake Cook, who is that sixth offensive lineman,
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  Speaker 1: putting on a tight end jersey and giving them a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of beef along that line. So when they
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  Speaker 1: decided to put Jake Cook in that Bison package, is
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  Speaker 1: that about how good Jake Cook has been and the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they need to get him on the field?
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  Speaker 1: Or is that maybe more about what other people aren't
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  Speaker 1: doing that made them decide to put him on the field?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought there was some good things that he did,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not to get too technical about how that
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  Speaker 2: all played out, but they need to work together better
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  Speaker 2: in that situation. But that's why we try to get
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  Speaker 2: into those situations to work through the game rep of
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  Speaker 2: it and figure out where we're at. But I think
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  Speaker 2: it's something that, you know, we're not going to major in,
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  Speaker 2: but I do think that there was enough on film
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  Speaker 2: to lead us to believe that we should continue to
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  Speaker 2: build on it and be an option for us personnel-wise.
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  Speaker 1: Mentioned the running backs earlier and some of the issues
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  Speaker 1: they've had in that position group. And generally, it just
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  Speaker 1: feels like there's sort of a lack of explosiveness in
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  Speaker 1: the run game. What is it that is holding the
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  Speaker 1: offense back from being able to do that?
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  Speaker 2: It kind of depends on the play. I remember a
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  Speaker 2: couple in particular where there's times where, hey man, you
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  Speaker 2: just want to lower your shoulder and try to run
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  Speaker 2: a dude over and set the tone. That's okay too.
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  Speaker 2: And there's times where you want to break off the
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  Speaker 2: weak shoulder and throw a stiff arm and make a
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  Speaker 2: guy miss. That's okay too. But To me, neither of
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  Speaker 2: those things were happening. That's just the facts. We all
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  Speaker 2: got to own it. It starts with me, then it
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  Speaker 2: goes to Coach Smith, then Coach Laughlin, and then to
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  Speaker 2: the running backs. We need some dudes who are running
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  Speaker 2: angry this week.
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  Speaker 1: Talked about how much people love talking about the quarterback position. Well,
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  Speaker 1: how about the QB2 position? Has Luke Fahey officially locked
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  Speaker 1: down that backup quarterback spot?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, every day you walk in this building, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to prove yourself and to earn trust.
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  Speaker 2: Luke has done that. And, you know, he's been the
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  Speaker 2: first one in the game the last couple games. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if he continues to do what he's doing,
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  Speaker 2: I would continue to see it going that way. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Tavian is working hard. And so, you know, he's right
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  Speaker 2: there too. But, you know, it's important that every rep
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  Speaker 2: these guys take, they take advantage of it. And even
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  Speaker 2: though they're not, um, you know, at times throughout the season,
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  Speaker 2: got to feel like maybe, you know, I'm, I'm right there.
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  Speaker 2: You're one snap away from playing in these games. You're
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  Speaker 2: one snap away from, uh, making a major impact on
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  Speaker 2: the season. So the preparation, um, is, is very, very
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  Speaker 2: important and how they practice is going to be important.
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  Speaker 2: Their mindset's going to be important. What you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to ever do is, is put yourself, well, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to get in the game. And then before you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're in the game and you're not prepared. So, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's, that's what practice is all about. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: And that's why it was good to get them in
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  Speaker 2: the game, too. You know, we flush out a few mistakes. Hopefully,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we can learn from those so they don't
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  Speaker 2: repeat when we need them in games going forward.
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  Speaker 1: There was sort of a question during fall camp about
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  Speaker 1: which offensive line group was going to be the one,
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  Speaker 1: which combination was was going to be the one that
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  Speaker 1: ended up starting. And we obviously know who started the season,
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  Speaker 1: but then Philip Daniels got hurt and there was sort
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  Speaker 1: of a shuffling of the offensive line already. So you
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  Speaker 1: got the two offensive line combinations on the right side.
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  Speaker 1: One has Austin Searveld at right guard and Philip Daniels
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  Speaker 1: at right tackle. One has Gabe Van Sickle at right
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  Speaker 1: guard and Austin Searveld at right tackle. How big of
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  Speaker 1: a gap is there between those two different offensive line
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  Speaker 1: combinations right now?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty close. Um, I thought they worked well together. Um,
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  Speaker 2: not better, you know, or, you know, Phil was worse.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that I could put, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: two of them together and say it was that much
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  Speaker 2: better at this point. I think we need to play
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  Speaker 2: more football to figure that out. So we'll see how
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  Speaker 2: the week goes and continue to evaluate it. The good
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  Speaker 2: news is, you know, we do have some different options,
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  Speaker 2: but we got to figure out what's the best.
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  Speaker 1: This next question was about that fourth down play where
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  Speaker 1: Julian Sane took a sack. Now, Brandon Ennis said, you
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  Speaker 1: watch on the, on the all 22, Brandon is wide
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  Speaker 1: open in the end zone. And as it turns out,
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  Speaker 1: Julian saying, told him right after the play. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: should have thrown that ball to you in the end zone.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously that was not what happened. He took a sack.
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  Speaker 1: So what were Ryan day's views on what happened there?
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  Speaker 1: Why that happened?
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  Speaker 2: I think that play in particular, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: speak for Julian, but I think he would tell you that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he didn't progress through that, that play very well.
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  Speaker 2: And he wishes he had that back. You know, I,
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know if it's an issue about
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  Speaker 2: over the field. I think it's something where you have
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  Speaker 2: to trust your feet. And when there's a progression that
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  Speaker 2: tie in with your feet, I think in that situation,
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  Speaker 2: he got himself jammed up with his feet and didn't
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  Speaker 2: progress through it. And then I think, you know, quite honestly,
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  Speaker 2: there was an opportunity to maybe squirt through the line
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  Speaker 2: and look to extend or scramble that opportunity. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he immediately said it. He knew it. He owned it.
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  Speaker 2: So an opportunity to grow from.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that was a conversation after the
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  Speaker 1: Texas game was that Ryan Day wanted to see better
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  Speaker 1: chemistry between Julian Zayn And the receiver is not named
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith on this year's Ohio State team. So did
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  Speaker 1: he see that against Kent State?
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  Speaker 2: Hard to tell. Hard to tell. I mean, you saw
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  Speaker 2: what you saw, but I think we need to see
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  Speaker 2: it here in conference play. But I mean, the ball
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  Speaker 2: was coming out at times. We were throwing and catching okay,
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  Speaker 2: but we need to see it here against some conference opponents.
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  Speaker 1: Feels like a lot of the conversation about the running
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  Speaker 1: back room this season has been a little bit negative,
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  Speaker 1: but It's not all bad news there. Jacoby Jackson, he
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  Speaker 1: has been, I think, a bright spot. He's probably been
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  Speaker 1: better than people were expecting, and so is he now
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  Speaker 1: someone who is earning a bigger role?
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  Speaker 2: I think Jacoby ran hard. I think, you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to sit here and rank the backs
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that, but I do think there were
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  Speaker 2: some really good things Jacoby did in the game. I
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  Speaker 2: thought he ran downhill, and we all know what Bo
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  Speaker 2: and Isaiah both can do. So, we need to see
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  Speaker 2: those guys really run angry. That's the bottom line. I
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  Speaker 2: thought they were just okay in the game. I thought
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  Speaker 2: Jacoby ran harder. That's just the facts. Challenge is out
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  Speaker 2: to run really angry and really physical in this game,
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  Speaker 2: but all three of those guys can run. How they
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  Speaker 2: practice is going to determine how we play them. That's
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line.
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  Speaker 1: Julian saying against Kent State, he finished 18 for 22.
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  Speaker 1: That would be pretty good numbers for just about anyone
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  Speaker 1: against just about any competition, and yet The conversation around
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  Speaker 1: Julian Sane is, all right, what's wrong with Julian Sane? So,
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  Speaker 1: all right, what does Ryan Day think? How would Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Day assess his play coming out of that game?
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  Speaker 2: When you come out of games like that, you can
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  Speaker 2: see really nice throws and really good plays and just say, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's what he's supposed to do. And that is true.
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  Speaker 2: We have a high level of expectation for everybody, and
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  Speaker 2: that's just not the quarterback. But I think we all
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  Speaker 2: want a higher level of consistency. But I think, again,
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  Speaker 2: we need to get into these conference games and start
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  Speaker 2: to play. I know that there's plays in that game
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  Speaker 2: that were sort of just out of sync that definitely
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  Speaker 2: stick out. Now, that is going to happen in games,
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  Speaker 2: but we want to be perfect, and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: need to be in order to get to where we
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  Speaker 2: need to be. I think there's a lot that goes
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  Speaker 2: with it. I think that, overall, the protection has been
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  Speaker 2: solid but we've got to trust our feet. We've got
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  Speaker 2: to get the ball out on time, and we've got to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when it's time to make plays, we've got
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  Speaker 2: to make plays in terms of third down, red zone,
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  Speaker 2: because that's really, to me, where some of the biggest
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  Speaker 2: issues have shown up.
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State fans are not the only ones being a
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  Speaker 1: little bit critical of Julian Sayen. Sayen is probably pretty
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  Speaker 1: critical on himself. He's basically a perfectionist is how he's
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  Speaker 1: been described in the past, so what is his mindset
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  Speaker 1: right now?
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  Speaker 2: I think we all want perfection. Yeah, I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: all want to be 3-0 right now, so I don't
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  Speaker 2: think anybody's happy with it, you know, where we are
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  Speaker 2: right now. I wouldn't expect anybody to be. That's just
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  Speaker 2: everybody in the building. But, you know, I'm right there
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  Speaker 2: with them. And, you know, we got to get to
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  Speaker 2: work this week and we got to go beat Illinois.
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  Speaker 2: That's the focus. And, you know, just get back to work.
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  Speaker 2: Jump into your work. That's all I can tell you.
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  Speaker 2: We got to do that. And it starts with a
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday practice right here.
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  Speaker 1: Finally, Philip Daniels, right tackle. He is questionable for this
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  Speaker 1: weekend's game against Illinois. Now, I'm going to tell you
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  Speaker 1: that news was not out at the time this question
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  Speaker 1: was asked, but is this another opportunity for Gabe Van
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  Speaker 1: Sickle to show that he belongs?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought he did some good things on Saturday. Yeah, again,
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  Speaker 2: it's sometimes in games like that, it's a little difficult
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  Speaker 2: to tell. But, you know, he'll have an opportunity this weekend,
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  Speaker 2: most likely. And so, you know, this will be a
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  Speaker 2: great opportunity for him to grade out a champion against
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  Speaker 2: a conference opponent. All right.
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