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The Ron Verb Show - 3pm Hour Tuesday - 07/14/26 · Ron Verb

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  Speaker 1: WKBN. First, because he's a great architect. Let me just
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  Speaker 1: say that. I get you to plead guilty to being
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  Speaker 1: a great architect, number one, right?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Guilty as charged, right? If you go into Poland and
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  Speaker 1: look at that spectacular Walgreens, as I said to you,
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  Speaker 1: it's like no other Walgreens I've ever seen anywhere else
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  Speaker 1: when you go into Poland. And I said, boy, that's
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  Speaker 1: really unique. And who designed that?
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  Speaker 2: Someone I know. They called from all over Portland, Oregon, everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to know how we got Walgreens to do
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  Speaker 2: this because they never have done that in the entire
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  Speaker 2: country but for little old Poland.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and you took care of that, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it is really spectacular when you look at that. And
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  Speaker 1: then if you look at the Poland library, if you
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  Speaker 1: look at it, it is absolutely spectacular. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely spectacular. And guess who designed that? It's the
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  Speaker 1: one and only Bob Mastriana. who's sitting right in that
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  Speaker 1: chair right over there, the architect that has done so
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  Speaker 1: many great things in our community. Now, I want you
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  Speaker 1: guys to pay attention to this because there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: here to talk about. I'm going to ask you in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of the program, then I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: back and get some of the history of it. What
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  Speaker 1: is the problem with the Poland Library right now? The
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  Speaker 1: library group says, what, it's sinking? What's the issue?
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you can tell me the problem because there
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  Speaker 2: is none, and that's what's so absurd. They're making a
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  Speaker 2: mountain out of a mobile hill. The library is built
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  Speaker 2: on bedrock. You couldn't have a better foundation than that.
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  Speaker 2: We had John Cernick of the No. 1 Soils Engineer.
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  Speaker 2: He was the dean of the School of Engineering in
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  Speaker 2: Youngstown State. He wrote seven books on design of foundations
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  Speaker 2: and that. He was the overseer of the foundation for
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  Speaker 2: the Poland Library, and there was absolutely no problem. And
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  Speaker 2: so for 20-some years, there was no problems. And all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, this new director gets in, And all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's problems there. But before she came,
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  Speaker 2: what they had done is they didn't listen to me.
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  Speaker 2: I heard through the grapevine that because of the flooding
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  Speaker 2: in Boardman Township, we had a little bit of water
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  Speaker 2: in the library. It flooded down Yellow Creek. And Yellow Creek,
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  Speaker 2: where it meets the library, chokes. The creek gets very
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  Speaker 2: narrow and chokes. It's a 90-degree turn, and then it
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  Speaker 2: goes down to the rest of the creek. And what
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  Speaker 2: happened is they... they thought they would be able to
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  Speaker 2: control that by building this concrete wall. And they built
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  Speaker 2: it on top of bedrock, but evidently they didn't design
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  Speaker 2: it with enough weep holes and drainage behind it. And
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  Speaker 2: so what happened is, all these years there was no
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  Speaker 2: problems after we had left the job, and then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden they discovered there's some raising of the floor.
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  Speaker 2: What happened is that the, and I checked with the
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  Speaker 2: geotechnical engineers and that, what happened is they sealed the
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  Speaker 2: wall to the bedrock, where it would naturally migrate the
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  Speaker 2: water underneath the building into the creek, because that's the
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  Speaker 2: natural water course. And so what they did is they
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  Speaker 2: sealed it, and so the water started backing up. And
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  Speaker 2: it backed, and it's only 10 feet off the corner
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  Speaker 2: of that building. And so what happened is the water
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  Speaker 2: backed up, and it caused such hydrostatic pressure working its
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  Speaker 2: way back under the building that it had no way
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  Speaker 2: to relief itself, and it ended up raising the floor
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  Speaker 2: in the back corner of the friend's house.
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  Speaker 3: Uh..
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  Speaker 2: Work area and mechanical out completely out of the public
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  Speaker 2: so domain and things like this and it raised it
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  Speaker 2: an inch to they're saying three inches but the but
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  Speaker 2: i've seen is only an inch and a half or
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  Speaker 2: less and so uh... they made such a big deal
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  Speaker 2: about that but that was why they had to uh..
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  Speaker 3: Uh..
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  Speaker 2: Think about all the structural issues with the building the
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  Speaker 2: other thing that they have been negligent on is the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they've never maintain the building so for twenty
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  Speaker 2: it's twenty six years old now and it's never been painted.
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  Speaker 2: It's never had any repair work done on it. It's
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  Speaker 2: never had any love and care that any normal person
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  Speaker 2: would do for their own home or for themselves.
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  Speaker 1: If you didn't do that to your home, look how
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  Speaker 1: it would deteriorate.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, or even ourselves. How would we deteriorate?
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  Speaker 1: Take a look at me.
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  Speaker 2: So they never maintained the building, and that was a
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  Speaker 2: disgrace with the investment.
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  Speaker 4: 26 years?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Never painted it, never maintained it.
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  Speaker 2: No, they power washed a little bit by the back entranceway.
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  Speaker 2: They power washed that because I was criticizing them. The globes,
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  Speaker 2: if you can believe this, those beautiful Nantucket globes that
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  Speaker 2: I used because I wanted to replicate the ship's lantern
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  Speaker 2: with the water there in Yellow Creek, they were so
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  Speaker 2: black you couldn't even see the bulbs and you could
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  Speaker 2: never even tell if they were on. The clock tower,
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  Speaker 2: the clock in the clock tower, which is the same
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  Speaker 2: clock we have in Peterson Park right in front of it,
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  Speaker 2: for two years it wouldn't work. She wouldn't spend the
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  Speaker 2: money to have a verdant clock company come and fix it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just been a comedy of errors, and
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  Speaker 2: they've done nothing to protect it and enhance it. And
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  Speaker 2: she's not the only administrator. Other ones before her have
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  Speaker 2: the same thing. It seems like they don't have enough
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  Speaker 2: intelligence to develop a system a maintenance program so that
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  Speaker 2: they would know what they're putting in. So when they
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  Speaker 2: talk about the monies that this is costing per year
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  Speaker 2: to maintain it, it's all a rouge. And they only
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  Speaker 2: talked about 24 and 25. It's because those are the
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  Speaker 2: worst years. But all the other years we've been asking
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  Speaker 2: for two years now, we want to see the records
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  Speaker 2: of all the maintenance for the library. And they refuse
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  Speaker 2: to turn them over because we know they spent nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And it's really sad because when they go to the
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  Speaker 2: county commissioners to ask to be put on a levy,
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  Speaker 2: the number one thing that's on that request is for maintenance.
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  Speaker 2: And so they're telling the public who are voting for
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  Speaker 2: it because of the levy that this is going to
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  Speaker 2: help maintain the library systems, not just Poland, but all
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  Speaker 2: of them. They don't... practice what they peach and they
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  Speaker 2: don't end up doing the maintenance that they're required to do.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Bob. Are you saying
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  Speaker 1: that if they wouldn't have built that wall, the concrete wall,
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  Speaker 1: because of Yellow Creek making that thing, if they would
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  Speaker 1: have never built that wall, the back of the library
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have raised?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So that was the mistake?
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  Speaker 2: And the library did it. It wasn't the architects. We
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  Speaker 2: were long gone from the building. But when I heard
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  Speaker 2: about it..
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  Speaker 1: Do they think maybe they should ask you? Well..
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think. They didn't ask me about that
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  Speaker 2: refresh where they ruined the interiors and all the gorgeous furniture.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, so what I did is I tried to stop
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  Speaker 2: them from doing it, but they had already spent the
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  Speaker 2: money for the engineering.
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  Speaker 1: To put this wall in.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and so they wouldn't listen. But I, on my own,
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  Speaker 2: called the Army Corps of Engineers to find out what
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  Speaker 2: else we could do without doing the wall. And they
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  Speaker 2: said we could widen out the creek there if we
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  Speaker 2: worked on the banks and not in the water. And
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  Speaker 2: then what... That would have allowed us, and then all
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  Speaker 2: we needed to do was to work with the neighbor
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  Speaker 2: next door who had a very low side yard that
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  Speaker 2: actually is at the water level, and he can't mow it.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't do anything with it. It just sits idle.
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  Speaker 2: So he would have probably, I heard now, he would have,
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  Speaker 2: if he had been asked, he would have donated to
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  Speaker 2: the town and the library. What would have been the
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  Speaker 2: result is we would have had a beautiful pond there,
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  Speaker 2: a nice, gorgeous pond off the adult reading area, And
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  Speaker 2: it could have been frozen if we ever have freezing
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  Speaker 2: again for a while.
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  Speaker 1: And we wouldn't have the water issues at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: So these water issues could have totally been avoided if
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  Speaker 1: somebody would have said, let's go ask the architect before
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  Speaker 1: we build this wall.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Or what are our options?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: All of this water stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Because there was never a problem. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But they created a problem by doing it.
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  Speaker 2: They did it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Just like they created a problem with the whole building
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  Speaker 2: because they never maintained it. Everything that's a problem, and
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  Speaker 2: this is why they're trying to disguise all of their
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  Speaker 2: incompetence in what they've done by blaming it on someone
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  Speaker 2: else and we're the natural one. So that thing about
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  Speaker 2: design deficiencies and construction deficiencies is totally a flagrant lie.
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  Speaker 2: I was there every day, normally in architectism, but I
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  Speaker 2: was there every single day watching to make sure everything
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  Speaker 2: was done. And every load of gravel that was brought
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  Speaker 2: in was not active or anything. And we specified gravel
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  Speaker 2: because that's what John Cernico says you always do. You
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  Speaker 2: never use that slag because you don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: active or not. But the standard slag called when they
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  Speaker 2: heard they were being accused of this and they called
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  Speaker 2: and I talked to their head of the quality control
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  Speaker 2: and he said, Bob, there's no way we would ever,
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  Speaker 2: ever deliver an active group of slags. So what I
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  Speaker 2: think happened is that the What I think happened is
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  Speaker 2: the corner of this is where the library parking lot was.
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  Speaker 2: Because if you look at the picture I brought you,
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  Speaker 2: the library is way back. The original library that we
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  Speaker 2: tore down, it was way behind the historic building that
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  Speaker 2: was out front. And that was not part of the building,
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  Speaker 2: but that was part of the parking lot. And when
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  Speaker 2: we excavated, we took the building, we took all the
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  Speaker 2: excavation out to a certain level, but we only excavated
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  Speaker 2: it down to the bedrock for the footers and foundation
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  Speaker 2: but then in the area between inside the foundation slab
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  Speaker 2: we we just excavated what was necessary so that we
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  Speaker 2: could be at the lower level of the panoramic building
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  Speaker 2: and so that the first floor would all match okay
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  Speaker 2: so this evidently was some material left over from the
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  Speaker 2: previous library that was below our scope of work area
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  Speaker 2: and it was accidentally or just not consciously we didn't
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  Speaker 2: know it was even there and it was never a
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  Speaker 2: problem so it really didn't matter if they hadn't built
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  Speaker 2: that wall because it didn't for 20 some years.
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  Speaker 1: Right so are you paying attention to this folks I
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  Speaker 1: want everybody in Mahoning County to hear this Because as
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  Speaker 1: you're talking to me, I'm just getting more pissed. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to tell you right off the bat. No offense.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so listen to what he said. I can't
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  Speaker 1: get over this. There wasn't any maintenance done to this
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  Speaker 1: building for 26 years, did you tell me?
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  Speaker 2: Well, as of today, 26, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: 26 years. So can you imagine, folks, if over 26
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  Speaker 1: years you did zero maintenance on your house? You didn't
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  Speaker 1: do any maintenance on it. So they didn't do this.
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  Speaker 1: This frustrates me so much with anything doing with governments,
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  Speaker 1: the lack of maintenance. And then all of a sudden it's, well,
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  Speaker 1: we can't do anything with this facility. We got to
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  Speaker 1: tear it down and start new. So 26 years, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't do any maintenance on this building. For the longest
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  Speaker 1: period of time, you didn't have any water issues. The
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  Speaker 1: floor wasn't moving at all.
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  Speaker 2: None.
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  Speaker 1: And it's built on bedrock. I just want everybody to know.
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  Speaker 1: So then they put in this wall, which was a
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  Speaker 1: mistake to begin with, which ultimately put pressure underneath the building.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to use a technical term. Tell me if
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  Speaker 1: I'm right or not. Hydrostatic pressure?
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  Speaker 5: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Let me sit a little higher in my chair. So
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  Speaker 1: I put hydrostatic pressure of the water under the building,
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  Speaker 1: and that raised the floor.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And only the part that was closest to the
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  Speaker 2: creek raised. But you listen to them and the way
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  Speaker 2: they've talked about it, the whole building is settling, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a structural problem.
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  Speaker 1: So this building isn't sinking?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not sinking.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear that, folks? This building isn't sinking. And
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  Speaker 1: this is, would you say to a certain extent it's,
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  Speaker 1: I don't, is it a minor issue what they're fixing?
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I even.
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  Speaker 1: And fixable.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I even called on my own A1 concrete leveling
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  Speaker 2: because they were talking about how the slab had to
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  Speaker 2: be all torn out and everything else. And I just
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  Speaker 2: thought that was excessive and it really didn't need it,
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  Speaker 2: especially when it was so minor. And so I talked
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  Speaker 2: to them and they said all they do is a
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  Speaker 2: slurry mix of concrete.
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  Speaker 1: To raise it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they fill the voids that are there from the
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  Speaker 2: hydrostatic pressure. They fill it with this liquid-type concrete. They
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  Speaker 2: drill holes, little one-inch holes all over as many as needed,
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  Speaker 2: and they take care of it, and it's very inexpensive,
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  Speaker 2: and it's easy to fix.
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  Speaker 1: And that could solve the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Bobby. If we did
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  Speaker 1: that and took the wall down, problem solved?
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  Speaker 2: Well, or just try and develop weep holes and more
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  Speaker 2: drainage behind the wall, too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but there's a solution to this.
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  Speaker 2: There's always a solution.
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  Speaker 1: Other than let's abandon a building and let's build a
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  Speaker 1: new building.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but that was her... This is all... It's all
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  Speaker 2: contrived just to get her to do... I think she's
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  Speaker 2: mad at Poland and she despises us because we stood
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  Speaker 2: up to her when she tore out all the bricks
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  Speaker 2: in the back off the meeting room because she said
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  Speaker 2: they were settling and the bricks, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 2: she said, are not ADA compliant. Now, bricks have been...
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  Speaker 2: The bricks are ADA compliant as long as they're level
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  Speaker 2: and things like this. And so there's no problem with
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  Speaker 2: the bricks, but she used that as an excuse and
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  Speaker 2: tore out all the bricks in the back of the
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  Speaker 2: meeting room. And that was a gift from the Moransky
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  Speaker 2: family of $ 25, 000 for that brick terrace behind the meeting
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  Speaker 2: room and also for the brick terrace at the outdoor cafe.
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  Speaker 2: And she never got permits. She snuck this in. No
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  Speaker 2: one even knew about it because it was behind the building.
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  Speaker 2: And we were just livid.
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  Speaker 1: She tore it out?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, tore it out and poured this Pepto-Bismol colored concrete.
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  Speaker 2: And it was just, it's absurd. And no one caught it.
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  Speaker 2: And so it was done unbeknownst to us. She ended
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  Speaker 2: up coming back because we were just livid. This is
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  Speaker 2: where I think the The animosity in the relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I'm even trying to fathom how that changes the appearance
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  Speaker 1: of the building. Who wants to rip out? You know
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  Speaker 1: the beauty of a brick patio? I don't know. I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of a shade tree architect, so just bear with me.
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  Speaker 1: The beauty of that when you put that down? It's spectacular.
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  Speaker 1: How is it not ADA compliant? You can roll on
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  Speaker 1: it and everything.
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  Speaker 2: If you have a settlement problem, what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: You fix it. Put a little more fill under it. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And you can't do a thing with the concrete. And
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  Speaker 2: so she did that, but she didn't only do the
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  Speaker 2: back behind it. She did the entire back of the
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  Speaker 2: building with the concrete. And it just– It doesn't look hideous.
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  Speaker 2: It does. It ruins it. And her goal was to
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  Speaker 2: remove all the rest of the bricks. But now she's
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  Speaker 2: so gun-shy of the way– This is the reaction of
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  Speaker 2: the town to her. She ended up at Christmastime when
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  Speaker 2: she thought no one was looking. She had Kushner's Landscaping
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  Speaker 2: come there and level all the rest of the bricks.
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  Speaker 1: Problem solved.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, except for where she destroyed it. And the problem
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  Speaker 2: we have is that brick company, because of COVID, Old
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  Speaker 2: Virginia Brick Company, which is the brick we have everywhere
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  Speaker 2: in Poland. It's on the clock tower. I use it everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Stand by. Let me do this break. You are going
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  Speaker 1: to learn a lot, and I want you to stay tuned.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Mastriana is with us, and we'll come back with
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  Speaker 1: more after this. Stay tuned. Now, Ron Verb on NewsRadio
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  Speaker 1: 570 WKBN. Well, I got a good program for you today.
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  Speaker 1: Listen up if you live in Poland, and even if
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  Speaker 1: you don't, I want you to hear what we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking about here this afternoon. Welcome to Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: July 14th. It's hot, it's humid, it's 90 degrees, and
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  Speaker 1: we're glad you're with us here this afternoon. And it's
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  Speaker 1: my pleasure, incidentally, to introduce a guy that I know
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  Speaker 1: you're going to want to listen to. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know you want to listen to what this man has
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  Speaker 1: to say. First, because he's a great architect. Let me
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  Speaker 1: just say that. I get you to plead guilty to
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  Speaker 1: being a great architect, number one, right?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Guilty as charged, right? If you go into Poland and
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  Speaker 1: look at that spectacular Walgreens, as I said to you,
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  Speaker 1: it's like no other Walgreens I've ever seen anywhere else
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  Speaker 1: when you go into Poland. And I said... Boy, that's
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  Speaker 1: really unique. And who designed that?
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  Speaker 2: Someone I know. They called from all over Portland, Oregon, everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to know how we got Walgreens to do
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: this because they never have done that in the entire
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: country but for little old Poland.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Right. And you took care of that, right? I mean,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: it is really spectacular when you look at that. And
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: then if you look at the Poland Library, if you
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: look at it, it is absolutely spectacular. I mean, it
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: is absolutely spectacular. And guess who designed that? It's the
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: one and only Bob Mastriana, who's sitting right in that
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: chair right over there, the architect that has done so
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: many great things in our community. Now, I want you
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: guys to pay attention to this because there's a lot
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: here to talk about. I'm going to ask you in
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the program, then I'm going to go
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: back and get some of the history of it. What
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: is the problem with the Poland Library right now, with
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the library itself? group says, what, it's sinking? What's the issue?
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you can tell me the problem, because there
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: is none. And that's what's so absurd. They're making a
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: mountain out of a molehill. The library is built on bedrock.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: On bedrock. You couldn't have a better foundation than that.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: We had John Cernick, the number one soils engineer. He
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: was the dean of the School of Engineering in Youngstown State.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: He wrote seven books on on the design of foundations
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and that. He was the overseer of the foundation for
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: the Poland Library, and there was absolutely no problem. And
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: so for 20-some years, there was no problems, and all
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, this new director gets in, and all
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's problems there. But before she came,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: what they had done is they didn't listen to me.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I heard through the grapevine that because of the flooding
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: in Boardman Township, we had a little bit of water
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: in the library, it flooded, down Yellow Creek. And Yellow Creek,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: where it meets the library, chokes. The creek gets very
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: narrow and chokes. It's a 90-degree turn, and then it
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: goes down to the rest of the creek. And what
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: happened is they thought they would be able to control
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: that by building this concrete wall. And they built it
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: on top of bedrock, but evidently they didn't design it
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: with enough weep holes and drainage behind it. And so
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: what happened is All these years there was no problems
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: after we had left the job, and then all of
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: a sudden they discovered there's some raising of the floor. Well,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: what happened is that the– and I checked with the
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: geotechnical engineers and that. What happened is they sealed the
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: wall to the bedrock where it would naturally migrate the
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: water underneath the building into the creek because that's the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: natural water course. And so what they did is they
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: sealed it, and so the water started backing up. and
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: it's only 10 feet off the corner of that building.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: And so what happened is the water backed up, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: it caused such hydrostatic pressure working its way back under
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the building that it had no way to relief itself,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: and it ended up raising the floor in the back
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: corner of the Friends work area and mechanical, completely out
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: of the public's domain and things like this, and it
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: raised it an inch to, they're saying three inches, but
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: what I've seen is only an inch and a half
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: or less. And so they made such a big do
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: about that that that was why they had to think
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: about all the structural issues with the building. The other
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: thing that they have been negligent on is the fact
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: that they never maintain the building. So it's 26 years
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: old now, and it's never been painted. It's never had
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: any repair work done on it. It's never had any
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: love and care that any normal person would do for
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: their own home or for themselves.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: If you didn't do that to your home, look how
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: it would deteriorate.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: No.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, or even ourselves. How did we deter it?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Well, take a.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Look at me. So they never maintained the building, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: that was a disgrace with the investors.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: 26 years? Yes, yes. Never painted it, never maintained it?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: No, they power washed a little bit by the back entranceway.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: They power washed that because I was criticizing them. The globes,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: if you can believe this, those beautiful Nantucket globes, that
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I used because I wanted to replicate the ship's lantern
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: with the water there in Yellow Creek. They were so
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: black you couldn't even see the bulbs, and you could
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: never even tell if they were on. The clock tower,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the clock in the clock tower, which is the same
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: clock we have in Peterson Park right in front of it,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: for two years it wouldn't work. She wouldn't spend the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: money to have a verdant clock company come and fix it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just been the comedy of errors, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: they've done nothing to protect it and enhance it. She's
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: not the only administrator. Other ones before her have the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: same thing. It seems like they don't have enough intelligence
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to develop a maintenance program so that they would know
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: what they're putting in. So when they talk about the
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: monies that this is costing per year to maintain it,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: it's all a rouge. And they only talk about 24
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and 25. It's because those are the worst years, but
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: all the other years we've been asking for two years now,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: we want to see the records of all the maintenance
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: for the library, and they've refused to turn them over
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: because we know they spent nothing. And it's really sad
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: because when they go to the county commissioners to ask
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to be put on the levy, the number one thing
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: that's on that request is for maintenance. And so they're
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: telling the public who are voting for it because of
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the levy that this is going to help maintain the
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: library systems, not just Poland but all of them, they
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: don't approve. practice what they peach and they don't end
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: up doing the maintenance that they're required to do.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Bob. Are you saying
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that if they wouldn't have built that wall, the concrete wall,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: because of Yellow Creek making that thing, if they would
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: have never built that wall, the back of the library
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have raised?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: So that was the mistake?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: And the library did it. It wasn't the architects. We
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: were long gone from the building. But when I heard
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: about it..
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Do they think maybe they should ask you?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Well... Yeah, you would think. They didn't ask me about
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: that refresh where they ruined the interiors and all the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: gorgeous furniture.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to that.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so what I did is I tried to stop
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: them from doing it, but they had already spent the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: money for the engineering.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: To put this wall in.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, and so they wouldn't listen. But I, on my own,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: called the Army Corps of Engineers to find out what
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: else we could do without doing the wall. And they
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: said we could widen out the creek there if we
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: worked on the banks and not in the water. And
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: then what– That would have allowed us. And then all
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: we needed to do was to work with the neighbor
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: next door who had a very low side yard that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: actually is at the water level. And he can't mow it.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: He doesn't do anything with it. It just sits idle.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: So he would have probably, I heard now, if he
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: had been asked, he would have donated to the town
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and the library. And what would have been the result
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: is we would have had a beautiful pond there, a nice,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: gorgeous pond off the adult reading area. And it could
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: have been frozen if we ever have freezing again.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And we wouldn't have the water issues at all. No, no, no.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: So these water issues could have totally been avoided if
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: somebody would have said, let's go ask the architect before
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: we build this wall.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Or what are our options? Yes. All of this water stuff.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Because there was never a problem.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Right. But they created a problem by doing it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: They did it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Just like they created a problem with the whole building
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: because they never maintained it. Everything that's a problem, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: this is why they're trying to disguise all of their
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: incompetence in what they've done by blaming it on someone
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: else and we're the natural one. So that thing about
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: design deficiencies and construction deficiencies is totally a flagrant lie.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I was there every day, normally in architectism, but I
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: was there every single day watching to make sure everything
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: was done. And every load of gravel that was brought
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: in was not active or anything. And we specified gravel
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: because that's what John Cernico says you always do. You
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: never use that slag because you don't know if it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: active or not. But the standard slag called when they
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: heard they were being accused of this, and they called,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and I talked to their head of the quality control,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: and he said, Bob, there's no way we would ever,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: ever deliver an active group of slags. So what I
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: think happened is that the... What I think happened is
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the corner of this is where the library parking lot was.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Because if you look at the picture I brought you,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: the library is way back, the original library that we
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: tore down. It was way behind the historic building that
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: was out front. And that was not part of the building,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: but that was part of the parking lot. And when
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: we excavated, we took the building, we took all the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: excavation out to a certain level, but we only excavated
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: it down to the bedrock. for the footers and foundation,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: but then in the area between inside the foundation slab,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: we just excavated what was necessary so that we could
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: be at the lower level of the panoramic building and
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: so that the first floor would all match, okay? So
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: this evidently was some material left over from the previous
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: library that was below our scope of work area and
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: it was accidentally or just not consciously, we didn't know
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it was even there and it was never a problem.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: So it really didn't matter if they hadn't built that
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: wall because it didn't for 20 some years.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Right. So, so are you paying attention to this folks?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I want everybody in Mahoning County to hear this because
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: as you're talking to me, I'm just getting more pissed.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you right off the bat.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: No offense. I mean, so, so listen to what, listen
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to what he said. I can't get over this. Now
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: there wasn't any maintenance done to this building for 26 years.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Did you tell me?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Well, as of today, 26, yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: 26 years. So can you imagine, folks, if over 26
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: years you did zero maintenance on your house? You didn't
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: do any maintenance on it. So they didn't do– this
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: frustrates me so much with anything doing with governments, the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: lack of maintenance, and then all of a sudden it's, well,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: we can't do anything with this facility. We've got to
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: tear it down and start new. So 26 years they
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: didn't do any maintenance on this building. For the longest
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: period of time, you didn't have any water issues. The
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: floor wasn't moving at all.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: None.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And it's built on bedrock. I just want everybody to know.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: So then they put in this wall, which was a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: mistake to begin with, which ultimately put pressure underneath the building.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to use a technical term. Tell me if
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I'm right or not. Hydrostatic pressure?
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Well, let me sit a little higher in my chair.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So it put hydrostatic pressure of the water under the building,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and that raised the floor.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Right. And only the part that was closest to the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: creek raised. But you listen to them and the way
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: they've talked about it, the whole building is settling, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: there's a structural problem.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: So this building isn't sinking?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: No, it's not sinking.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Did you hear that, folks? This building isn't sinking. And
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: this is, would you say to a certain extent, it's,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I don't, is it a minor issue, what they're fixing?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: In fact, I even.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And fixable.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, I even called on my own A1 concrete leveling
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: because they were talking about how the slab had to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: be all torn out and everything else. And I just
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: thought that was excessive and it really didn't need it,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: especially when it was so minor. And so I talked
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to them and they said all they do is a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: slurry mix of concrete.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: To raise it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, they fill the voids that are there from the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: hydrostatic pressure. They fill it with this liquid-type concrete. They
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: drill holes, little one-inch holes all over as many as needed,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: and they take care of it, and it's very inexpensive,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: and it's easy to fix.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And that could solve the problem.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Bobby. If we did
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that and took the wall down, problem solved?
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Well, or just try and develop weep holes and more
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: drainage behind the.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Wall, too. Okay, but there's a solution to this. Other
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: than let's abandon a building and let's build a new building.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Right, but that was her... This is all... It's all
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: contrived just to get her to do... I think she's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: mad at Poland and she despises us because we stood
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: up to her when she tore out all the bricks
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: in the back off the meeting room because she said
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: they were settling and the bricks, believe it or not,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: she said, are not ADA compliant. Now, bricks have been
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: The bricks are ADA compliant as long as they're level
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: and things like this. And so there's no problem with
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the bricks, but she used that as an excuse and
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: tore at all the bricks in the back of the
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: meeting room. And that was a gift from the Moransky
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: family of $ 25, 000 for that brick terrace behind the meeting
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: room and also for the brick terrace at the outdoor cafe.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: And her goal, and she never got permits. She snuck
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: this in. No one even knew about it because it
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: was behind the building. And we were just livid.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: She tore it out?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, tore it out and poured this Pepto-Bismol colored concrete.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: And it was just, it's absurd. And no one caught it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And so it was done unbeknownst to us. She ended
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: up coming back because we were just livid. This is
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: where I think the The animosity in the relationship.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I'm even trying to fathom how that changes the appearance
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: of the building. Who wants to rip out? You know
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the beauty of a brick patio? I don't know. I'm
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: kind of a shade tree architect, so just bear with me.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: The beauty of that, when you put that down, it's spectacular.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: How is it not ADA compliant? You can roll on
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: it and everything. Absolutely.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: If you have a settlement problem, what do you do?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: You fix it. Put a little more fill under it. Yes.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, and you can't do a thing with the concrete.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And so she did that, but she didn't only do
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the back behind it. She did the entire back of
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the building with the concrete. And it just– That looked hideous.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: It does. It ruins it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And her goal was to remove all the rest of
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the bricks. But now she's so gun-shy of the way this–
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the reaction of the town to her. She ended up
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: at Christmastime when she thought no one was looking. She
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: had Kushner's Landscaping come there and level all the rest
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: of the bricks.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Problem solved.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, except for where she destroyed it. And the problem
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: we have is that brick company, because of COVID, Old
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Virginia Brick Company, which is the brick we have everywhere
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: in Poland. It's on the clock tower. I use it everywhere.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Stand by. Let me do this break. You are going
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to learn a lot, and I want you to stay tuned.
• 31:03
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  Speaker 1: you to pay attention as we go along here today
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: because you will learn a lot that you don't know
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: that isn't getting covered. Sitting over there is Bob Mastriana.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: He is an architect. He is the guy that designed
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the Poland Library. Anything that's beautiful in our community, you designed.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just going to tell it the way
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: it is. You are really spectacular at what you do.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I care.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you really got to, you are really
• 32:45
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• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you to listen, and I review things as we go along.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: But this idea to rip out these, I want to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: go back to these bricks that were expensive to buy,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: put in. She ripped it out, put in concrete. And
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: so didn't we. Yeah, pink concrete or whatever it is.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And the rest of the bricks, there was such an
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: outcry that she left them, and they simply leveled them.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: It's an easy thing to do to make sure that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: they're level if you get any settling.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: That's the end of the bricks versus concrete. Concrete you
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: can't fix. You have to replace.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And the only part of the library, nothing is– the
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: library isn't settling, as they like you to think, sinking,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: as I've heard. You only got one section.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It's got, because of hydrostatic pressure, is lifted because of
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: a wall they put in incorrectly to divert Yellow Creek.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And this is an easy problem to fix, totally.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: The other thing is the bricks.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Just bear with me for one minute. So when you
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: approach this with the director of the library and with
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the board, now you've talked to me for 26 minutes
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and I fully understand everything that you've said. You can
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: explain things as an architect so I can understand them.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: So it's a simple decision. Well, let's change a wall
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and let's fix this. Problem solved. Right, right. Why isn't
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that happening?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Because she doesn't want it to. So we convinced her
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: that she dare not touch one more brick in that place.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And they also had, she went to the design review board.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And she tried to convince them that what she was
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: doing was acceptable. And it is, and it's clearly spelled
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: out in the zoning code. You have to match the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: existing materials that are there. But she tried to convince
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: them that she could stain it, keep restaining it to
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the color that would be acceptable to the town. But
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: she had to keep waiting for the weather to get
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: conducive to that. And so they had a big meeting,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and the architectural review board turned down her proposal five zip. Okay,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and so she was left.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Well, you know how bad that would look. You're telling
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: me I'll stain this concrete so it looks like the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: brick over there.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which you can't do.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: So what she did is then, so then what they
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: did is they did a curve, a ruse, where they
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: tried to get the direction of the town away from
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: the bricks, and then they said they can't deal with
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: any of those other issues of the library because of
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the structural conditions they just discovered. And so the big
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: meeting that was supposed to be to resolve the brick
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: issue was tabled until, because they didn't know what was
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: going to happen to the library because of all these
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: structural problems that they said existed, which was a lie.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: So what structural issues are they claiming exist?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: The same ones. The heaving, the active slag, and things
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: In that one little section? Yes. But the rest of
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the library is fine?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, except for the areas that they didn't maintain. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: now that's the trellis, the pergolas. They're just letting everything deteriorate,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and they'll never spend the money to replace all those timbers.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: They don't get them covered up. And I've told them
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: for years to put a flashing on them and things.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: But if they had— Zero maintenance for 26 years.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: So all of this has been created by the library
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: director and the board. I've gone through three or four directions.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Are there any architects on the board? No. Okay, I
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: just want to talk about this board. We don't have
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: any architects on the board. Do we have anybody that
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: understands building on the board? So we have people making
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: decisions on the library board. We have a director of
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: this library who's from Arizona originally, not from our area,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: making big money when she comes here. She comes here
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: for this big money, who's going to dictate to the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: citizens of Poland that That we have to– got to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: change this instead of fix it. Fixing it is just
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: too damn costly, and it's just better to go build
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a new one. Right.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And the increase that they've been paying them for all
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: of their additional administrative people they have, 17 people now.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: That they've added?
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, that they've added. And eight of them are CFOs.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: She gave them all titles so that she was insulated
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and not– can't be blamed on anything. So she has
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: now heads of construction, heads of publicity, anything you could
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: think of, she has them. And then she has assistants
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: under them.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: So she has hired a bunch of other people and
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: paid them good? Yes. Stand by. Let me do a break.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: We're just getting started here. I might need to, I'm
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: already fuming, I just want you to know. Back with
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Bob Mastriana in a minute. All right, I want all
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: of you to pay attention as we go along here today.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Because you will learn a lot that you don't know
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that isn't getting covered. Sitting over there, Bob Mastriana, he
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: is an architect. He is the guy that designed the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Poland Library. Anything that's beautiful in our community, you designed.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just going to tell it the way
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it is. You are really spectacular at what you do.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I care.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, you really got to you are really terrific
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: at what you do. So I want I want all
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: of you to listen. I review things as we go along.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: But this idea to rip out these I want to
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: go back to these bricks that were expensive to buy,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: put in. She ripped it out, put in concrete and
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and pink concrete or whatever it is. And the rest
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: of the bricks, there was such an outcry that she
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: left them and they simply leveled them. It's an easy
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: thing to do. Right. To make sure that they're level
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: if you get any settling.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: That's bricks versus concrete.
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: Concrete.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Concrete you can't fix. You have to replace.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: And the only part of the library, nothing is... The
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: library isn't settling, as they like you to think. Sinking,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: as I've heard. You only got one section. It's got...
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Because of hydrostatic pressure is lifted because of a wall
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: they put in incorrectly to divert Yellow Creek.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: And this is an easy problem to fix.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: The other thing is the bricks..
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Just bear with me for one minute. So when you
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: approach this with... with the director of the library and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: with the board. Now you've talked to me for 26
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: minutes and I fully understand everything that you've said. You
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: can explain things as an architect so I can understand them.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: So it's a simple decision. Well, let's change a wall
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and let's fix this. Problem solved. Right, right. Why isn't
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that happening?
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Because she doesn't want it to. So we convinced her
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: that she dare not touch one more brick in that place.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: And they also had, she went to the design review
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: board And she tried to convince them that what she
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: was doing was acceptable. And it is, and it's clearly
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: spelled out in the zoning code. You have to match
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: the existing materials that are there. But she tried to
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: convince them that she could stain it, keep restaining it
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: to the color that would be acceptable to the town.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: But she had to keep waiting for the weather to
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: get conducive to that. And so they had a big meeting,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and the architectural review board turned down her proposal five zip. Well,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: How bad that would look. You're telling me I'll stain
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: this concrete so it looks like the brick over there.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which you can't do.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: So then what they did is they did a curve,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: a ruse, where they tried to get the direction of
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the town away from the bricks, and then they said
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: they can't deal with any of those other issues of
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: the library because of the structural conditions they just discovered.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And so the big meeting that was supposed to be
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to resolve the brick issue was tabled until– because they
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: didn't know what was going to happen to the library
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: because of all these structural problems that they said existed,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: which was a lie.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: So what structural issues are they claiming exist?
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: The same one, the heaving, the active slag and things
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: In that one little section? Yes. But the rest of
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the library is fine?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, except for the areas that they didn't maintain. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: now that's the trellis, the pergolas. They're just letting everything deteriorate,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and they'll never spend the money to replace all those timbers.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: They don't get them covered up. And I've told them
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: for years to put a flashing on them and things.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: But if they had– Zero maintenance for 26 years.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: So all of this has been created by the library
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: director and the board. I've gone through three or four directors.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Are there any architects on the board? No. Okay, I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: just want to talk about this board. We don't have
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: any architects on the board. Do we have anybody that
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: understands building on the board? So we have people making
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: decisions on the library board. We have a director of
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: this library who's from Arizona originally, not from our area,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: making big money when she comes here. She comes here
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: for this big money, who's going to dictate to the
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: citizens of Poland that that we have to– got to
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: change this instead of fix it. Fixing it is just
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: too damn costly, and it's just better to go build
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: a new one. Right.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: And the increase that they've been paying them for all
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: of their additional administrative people they have, 17 people now.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: That they've added?
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, that they've added. And eight of them are CFOs.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: She gave them all titles so that she was insulated
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and not– Can't be blamed on anything. So she has
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: now heads of construction, heads of publicity. Anything you could
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: think of, she has them. And then she has assistants
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: under them.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: So she has hired a bunch of other people and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: paid them good?
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Stand by. Let me do a break. We're just getting
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: started here. I might need to– I'm already fuming. I
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: just want you to know. Back with Bob Mastriana in
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a minute. Let's start here. So good morning and welcome.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: We are now underway.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: We're following the events of the day. What we're just
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: now hearing about.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: This is new information.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Throughout the day.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Good day. This is where it stands now.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Pick up the conversation. We'll talk about what's happening. Anytime.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: The deal we reached with Iran. The devil's in the details.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Bringing the price of gasoline down. Maintain the Fed funds rate.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Tying Pfizer to the Save Act. NATO has been a
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: paper tiger for the very latest. We'll see how that
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: all plays out. News Radio 570 WKBN.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Bond is being denied for a man charged in connection
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: with the shooting deaths of three people in Cincinnati's Millvale neighborhood.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: The victims were fatally shot at a Millvale Court birthday
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: party on June 20th. 62-year-old James Lewis has been indicted
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: on multiple counts of murder. Charges are being filed against
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: a driver who crashed into a new Cleveland business early Sunday.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: ReadyLine Auto Detailing on Bel Air Road opened in January
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: of this year. Earlier this week, police say an intoxicated
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: driver crashed through their reception area. The driver faces charges,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: including OVI. Bond is set at $ 3 million for a
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: man charged in the July 7th stabbing of a woman
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: in Canton. Julius Edwards is charged with attempted murder in
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: the attack on his girlfriend at a home on 15th
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Street Southwest. He then led law enforcement in a car
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: chase through Summit County. I'm Andy Betts.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: On News Radio 570 WKBN. I cannot believe what I
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: am hearing here this afternoon, folks. I mean, you know,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: what Bob Mastriana is saying, this man is an architect.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you come from a family
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: of them. The 4M Architects is you guys' company, right? Right.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, so 4M is you. So these are all architects.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: So you know what you're talking about. You're sitting here saying,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Think of what he's saying, folks. Now, first of all,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: this is what really grates me. And I say this
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: on the air all the time, and I will say
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: it again. This is your property tax dollars that they're
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: taking from me. And I've said it before, and I'll
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: say it to you eyeball to eyeball. The library has
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: more money than they know what to do with. They
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: have more money than they know what to do with.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: And quite frankly, their biggest problem is the same as WRTA.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: How do we spend this money every year? So she,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: as a director, which is compensated well, has hired 17
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: people to be around her as assistants or whatever this is.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: So she's hired 17 people at big salaries and benefit packages. Mm-hmm.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Around her. So she's growing the top end of our
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: library system.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: That's correct.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: They have right now, their salaries and benefits used to
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: be $ 9.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Million in 21.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Now it's over $ 15 million. $ 9 million in 21.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: $ 15 million.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Five years later, it's how much? $ 15 million in salaries
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and benefits. And so it used to be 50 percent
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of their income was salaries and that. Now it's 75
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: percent of their income.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: And it's just– 75 percent of their income is salaries
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: and benefits. Yes.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: They're not even going to be able to continue paying
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: for libraries and things like this. So anyway, it's a
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: real problem.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Because they're hiring too many people.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: But this is a matter to– and this was– In
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the mic. It doesn't even include– the present year 26,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: but as of 25, they have collected from we taxpayers
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: between the state library funding program, which they get $ 5 million,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, $ 10 million a year from that, and
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: then they get $ 10 million a year from our local citizens' taxes.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: And so they get in five years, that five-year levy
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: that they say is only 2.4 mils, provides them $ 100
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: million every five years. They get 50 from us and
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: 50 from the state. So $ 100 million every five years.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: And they have right now in their kitty just under
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: $ 50 million sitting there in liquid funds.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Just so I can– I want everybody to listen to
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: understand what he's– they have $ 50 million in basically a
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: savings account. Of my tax dollars, because when you're talking
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: a state, that's my tax dollars. When you're talking a
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: local property, that's my tax dollars. They have $ 50 million
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: in a savings account drawing interest that they're not using.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: That's my money. So when I talk about they're taxing
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: more money than they need, that's a shining example of it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: So what's the answer of how to spend money? We
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: just hire a bunch more people and we'll start spending
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: more on salary and benefits. Right, right. As opposed to
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: putting this into maybe doing some maintenance?
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but remember, for all that money we pay them,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: we get free library services.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Isn't that what you always got? We don't even own
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the buildings.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: We just get free library services.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: That's what you would always get. I know. It's absurd.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: This is just amazing to me, what you're listening to.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: The building that you designed, folks, if you haven't seen
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the Poland Library, it is spectacular. It is absolutely breathtaking.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: There isn't another one in Mahoning County like this one. Agreed? Agreed, yes.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: It was better before she refreshed it, okay, with all
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the traditional.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Explain that. Explain what she did to it when she
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: refreshed it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: When I saw in the news release that they were
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: refreshing the library, I immediately called and asked to see her.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: And whoever was in charge of the project and that.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: And who's making the decisions to refresh? Are they architects?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: A guy like you that designed the building?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, the library specialists who know everything about it. The
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: problem is she hired these architects who were contemporary. And
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: she hired them.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: They're out of.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Cleveland, and they know nothing about or care about traditional design.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: And so everything they did to the library destroyed the
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: historic integrity of the building, from the furniture, from the windows.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: The wingback chairs, she got rid of these gorgeous wingback chairs.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Are you familiar with history in the wingback?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: They were because of the drafts in the houses. They
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: were so great that they had the wings on the
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: sides of the chairs so that they could sit back
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: in them and be protected from the winds of them.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: And she got rid of them, and she said they
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: needed reupholstered. I said they didn't need reupholstered. They were leather, okay,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: and they– And they last forever. Plus, they said, well,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: it was a problem.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: They age and they become more beautiful as time goes on.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: And then also, so then she said, since I didn't
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: buy that, she said, well, it was for safety and
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: security because when they sit back in the chair, they
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: couldn't see their eyes and they didn't know what they
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: were planning on doing. So do you believe that? Who
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: could even come up with these lamps?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: This is ridiculous.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: And so she got rid of those. She got rid
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: of the Chippendale sofa. She got rid of. She was
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: the library director before her, got rid of the handmade
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Windsor chairs. We had 300 of these Windsor chairs that
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: were worth $ 100, 000 and got rid of them. We don't
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: know where anything is. We heard through the rumor that
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: some of the furniture someone saw down at the Goodwill store,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and she would notify people. This is just a rumor,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: so I don't know if it's true.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: That it would be there. It would be a crime
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: if that was the case. I mean, that's just wrong.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Someone saw one of the library chairs in another person's
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: living room, and that's what then she found out where
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: she got it from. And so we went down to
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Goodwill Store ourselves to see if we could find any more,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and there weren't any. But somehow these have disappeared, and
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of those were memorials that people donated, just
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: like the bus. My brother and I, In honor of
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: our parents, we donated $ 12, 000 to pay for all those busts.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: So each of the big adult reading areas, we had
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: a hall of presidents, a hall of authors, and a
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: hall of mythological figures. So we had over 30-some busts
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: placed all around the building.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: That your family donated the cost of?
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, our family donated. They were on the beam going
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: around it. Well, I asked them, what are they doing
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: with them? We can't leave them up there because they
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: collected too much dust.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: You know, they actually make rags and stuff. You can
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: actually clean that. Did you know that? Bob, I'm not
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: an architect, but you can dust them.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I know, but they're the color of dust. They were white.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Who's going to know this? That's right.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: So she had a plan, or their architects did. All
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: of this, they aren't intelligent enough to come up with
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: these ideas, and it was all instituted by those Cleveland
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: out-of-town contemporary architects. And unfortunately, they're the same ones she
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: used to design the new main library downtown, that they
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: spent $ 27 million to serve only 9% of the population.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Can you believe that?
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: $ 27 million to fix that.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: To serve 9% of the population. And you know what's
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: happening now?
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: What?
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Well, part of the problem..
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Close the mic for me, please.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Part of the problem with the libraries and the National
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Library Association is they're all woke. And what they want
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: is they want to provide housing for the homeless and
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: things and opportunities, and that's why the library has expanded
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: their services from just books to things that shouldn't be there,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: like a culinary center to teach them. And what happens
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: is the people that sign up for the culinary center
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: when they have classes, they do it for the groceries
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: that they get. So they get bags of groceries. And
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: so we heard that– From the rescue mission, when it
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: closes at 8 in the morning, and this is all,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I haven't been there at 8, but I was told
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: when the rescue mission closes, then they go to the
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: nearest library. And this was told from a person who
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: was in administration in the library, a friend of both
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: of us.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so she told us what they do is they
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: go to the nearest library that offers food and things,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: and that's where they hang out for the day. So
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: all these special study rooms that our library doesn't have,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that the library association is trying to promote, these private
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: study rooms, are taken over by the homeless. And this
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: is nationwide. I have articles from Florida, from all over.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: They go in and camp out because they're kicked out
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: of the rescue missions until they can come back.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: In the private study rooms?
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: And so what they were designed for, the public and things,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: has all gone to the homeless. And the smell in
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: those rooms is so profound, no one can use them
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: but them. And so they bring their belongings, they camp
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: out there, and I'm not And they've been doing this.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I saw them at the downtown library when we were there,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: camped out, but not with– taking over the rooms so
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: that no one else could use them. And so this
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: is what the library association is promoting, homelessness and things,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: and they're trying to say they're helping the people. But
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: they're way beyond.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: And what did she spend downtown?
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: $ 27 million. And actually it was supposed to be $ 26 million,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: but even a good old director had $ 1. 5 million over it.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: orders on it, because it ended up at $ 27 million.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you, what do you think of the work?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: What do you think of the design?
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's the worst library. When we went down there
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: for the big town meeting, there was 200 of us there,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: and it was all set up. They had already decided
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: to vote against it. But when we went down there,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: and these are supposed to be the number one, or
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: one of the best library architects in the state, it
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: was an abortion. I had never seen... more poorly designed
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: library in my life. The acoustics were horrible. You couldn't
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: even hear what was going on. The echo, everything was
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: hard surfaces. They had built-in steps that were wide enough
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: to sit on, so all the people were just congregating
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: in the entrance hallway. And the architecture is a disgrace,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: what they did. They had an Andrew Carnegie Library, one
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: of the first in the country here in Youngstown, and
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: all spearheaded by Reuben McMillan. That's how the name came from.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: So an Andrew Carnegie is a classic historic library, and
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: they're sought after by all the historic towns to restore
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: and things like this. What do they do? They build
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: this contemporary flat-roof sloped wood-sided look-alike pavilion next to this
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: historic building, It desecrates the entire Wick Avenue. It doesn't
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: blend in with the gorgeous Gothic church next to it.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: And everything, it's just, I as an architect, I just
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: would never do anything like that. An architect should relate
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: to the community, not to try and do an edifice
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: for himself.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: So it looks hideous.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, and it's hideous. And I was so surprised because
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: these were supposed to be such renowned architects. And they
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: were the ones then that ended up.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're renowned contemporary architects.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but not even that good.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Right. But I mean– but you don't want contemporary architects
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: on what you're doing.
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: No.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: No, you don't. So anyway, so– So they took.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: The history of that building and hurt it. They didn't
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: enhance it.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: In my opinion. Now, she tried to justify it and
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: say how– and this is what was so strange because
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: everything she was complaining about Poland and its historical context,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: she was using to justify the design and what they
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: had done to enhance the downtown library area. And she
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: was also talking about the gold doors and how the
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: motto of them– I wish I had my paper. I
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: could read you the motto.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to– pull that mic closer. I need
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: to be closer there.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: The motto that is above the doors, she said it
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: has to do with how responsive the library is to
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: the community and things like this, which is a total
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: fabrication of not. But it's also– they also have– I
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: don't know if they're gold leaf, but they look like
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: a gold leaf set of doors. And the architect didn't even–
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: design anything to use those for the entrance. So they
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: spend all this money restoring those doors and they have
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: no access to anything. They're just a symbol of the
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: original Carnegie building out front. And that's just, you know,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: a good architect would never design something false like that
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: and spend that kind of money and not have it function.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Do you think that this... I'm sitting listening to you,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: and if I go back to Poland Library, it's a
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: crime to me what they did downtown, just based on
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. They didn't enhance it. But when I
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: go back to Poland Building, this is fixable, yet they've
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: already voted. You have people on a board that have
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: no background in building or in architecture or any of
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: this stuff making a decision, and a woman running a
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: library that I don't know if she understands Poland or
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: the history of Poland because she's not from here. They
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: hired her from Arizona. And she comes here and decides
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: we're going to take this beautiful building. We're going to
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: make these changes of the furniture, the statues, all the
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: history that you put in there that enhance that building.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And when it happened, that pissed everyone off in your community,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: the Poland community.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: And what is it, just the arrogance? We don't care?
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: We don't care what the taxpayer have to say, what
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the customers of the library system have to say?
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: And 300 of us citizens donated over a million dollars
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: to make that library special for Poland, and it's all
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: been ignored and thrown away.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Which takes the cake, so... Whether it's Maransky with the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: bricks or your family with the bust, they're gone. And
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: you guys donate significant money for those to be there forever.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: 300 families and foundations and businesses donated to make that
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: library special. The Alexa family was the biggest supporter. They
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: donated $ 100, 000 so we could have the dome on the library.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: And the reason they did that is I was helping
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: him design his wife's monument at the Poland Cemetery. And
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: she had recently died and he wanted to do it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: I have something nice. So he respected my design ability.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: So I met him out there and we talked about it.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: And so I sketched something for him there and talked
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: about the shape of it and everything else. And I said,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: you know, if you really wanted to honor her, you
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: might be interested in the cupola of the poem library
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: because it's a centerpiece of the library and it would
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: be a fitting memorial to anyone. And he said, well,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: how much is it? And I said, it's $ 100, 000. And
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: without blinking an eye, he said, I'll take it. And
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: I found out later because she had such bad arthritis,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: she couldn't travel, and she lived her life through books.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: And that was the connection.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: What you designed in Poland gets attention through architectural everywhere, right?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, even Harvard used it as an example for
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: young architects for the library course on how to design
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: libraries for the community. And I went and did that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: all on my own. just to learn as much as
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I could because I wanted to make sure our library
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: was at the foremost of the technology and the designs.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, you made something spectacular in Mahoning County. I mean,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I sit here looking at you and I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: think you're a hell of a guy. I mean, you got,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there are architects and there are architects.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: You follow what I'm saying?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, not all architects are created alike.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: No, it's my life.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: And it's your community.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's my community. And what I try and do
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: is I try and glorify God in everything I do.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: And it shows because when that library was finished and designed,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: and by the way, the governor came up personally because
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: he heard about it in Columbus. He came up personally
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: for the grand opening. And we had 800 people there
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: inside the library just accolading it. And you should, I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: brought for you the story from the, from the Vindicator,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: because they're completely changed now because of her influence in that.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: But the story that the Vindicator wrote, an editorial on
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: the opening of the library, and this is just amazing
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: because you never get that kind of positive.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: There's still an effort to try to stop this decision, though, right? Oh, yes.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: There's hundreds of people that are saying, we're not going
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: to take this.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Right, from the state legislature all the way down to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: the local legislature. Political people, everyone.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: And the local community. Stand by. All right. Bob Mastriana
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: is here. Architect, Ron Verb, News Radio 570 WKBN from
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Mahoney.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Your one stop for advertising.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I cannot believe what I am hearing here this afternoon, folks.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, what Bob Mastriana is saying, this
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: man is an architect. As a matter of fact, you
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: come from a family of them. The 4M Architects is
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: your class. You guys' company, right? I mean, so 4M
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: is you. So these are all architects. So you know
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about. You're sitting here saying, think of
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: what he's saying, folks. Now, first of all, this is
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: what really grates me. And I say this on the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: air all the time, and I will say it again.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: This is your property tax dollars that they're taking from me.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: And I've said it before, and I say it to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: you eyeball to eyeball. The library has more money than
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: they know what to do with. They have more money
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: than they know what to do with, and quite frankly,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: their biggest problem is the same as WRTA. How do
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: we spend this money every year? So she, as a director,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: which is compensated well, has hired 17 people to be
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: around her as assistants or whatever this is. So she's
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: hired 17 people at big salaries and benefit packages. Around her.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: So she's growing the top end of our library system.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: That's correct.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: They have right now, their salaries and benefits used to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: be $ 9 million in 21. Now it's over $ 15 million.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: $ 9 million in 21. $ 15 million. Five years later, it's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: how much? $ 15 million in salaries and benefits. And so
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: it used to be 50% of their income was salaries
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: and that. Now it's 75% of their income.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: And it's just– 75% of their income is salaries and benefits. Yes.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: They're not even going to be able to continue paying
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: for libraries and things like this. So anyway, it's a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: real problem.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Because they're hiring too many people.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: But this is a matter to– and this was– It
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't even include the present year 26, but as of 25,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: they have collected from we taxpayers between the state library
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: funding program, which they get $ 5 million, or I'm sorry,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: $ 10 million a year from that, and then they get
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: $ 10 million a year from our local citizens' taxes. And
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: so they get in five years, that five-year levy that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: they say is only 2.4 mils provides them $ 100 million
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: every five years. They get 50 from us and 50
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: from the state. So $ 100 million every five years. And
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: they have right now in their kitty just under $ 50
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: million sitting there in liquid funds.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Just so I can– I want everybody to listen to
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: understand what he's– they have $ 50 million in basically a
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: savings account. Of my tax dollars. Because when you're talking
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: a state, that's my tax dollars. When you're talking a
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: local property, that's my tax dollars. They have $ 50 million
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: in a savings account drawing interest that they're not using.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: That's my money. So when I talk about they're taxing
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: more money than they need, that's a shining example of it.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: So what's the answer of how to spend money? We
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: just hire a bunch more people and we'll start spending
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: more on salary and benefits.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: As opposed to putting this in... Maybe doing some maintenance?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but remember, for all that money we pay them,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: we get free library services.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Isn't that what you always got? We don't even own
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the buildings.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: We just get free library services.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: That's what you would always get, you know, right? It's absurd.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: This is just amazing to me, what you're listening to.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: The building that you designed, folks, if you haven't seen
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the Poland Library, it is spectacular. It is absolutely breathtaking.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: There isn't another one in Mahoning County like this one. Agreed? Agreed, yes.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: It was better before she refreshed it, okay, with all
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: the traditional.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Explain that. Explain what she did to it when she
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: refreshed it.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: When I saw in the news release that they were
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: refreshing the library, I immediately called and asked to see her.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: And whoever was in charge of the project and that.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: And who's making the decisions to refresh? Are they architects?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: A guy like you that designed the building?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, they're library specialists who know everything about it. The
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: problem is she hired these architects who are contemporary. And
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: she hired them. They're out of Cleveland. And they know
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: nothing about or care about traditional design. And so everything
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: they did to the library destroyed the historic integrity of
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: the building. From the furniture, from the windows. The wingback chairs,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: she got rid of these gorgeous wingback chairs. Are you
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: familiar with history in the wingback?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: They were because of the drafts in the houses. They
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: were so great that they had these wings on the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: sides of the chairs so that they could sit back
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: in them and be protected from the winds of them.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: And she got rid of them, and she said they
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: needed reupholstered. I said they didn't need reupholstered. They were leather, okay,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: and they– And they last forever. Plus, they said, well,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: it was a problem.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: They age and they become more beautiful as time goes on.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: And then also, so then she said, since I didn't
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: buy that, she said, well, it was for safety and
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: security because when they sit back in the chair, they
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: couldn't see their eyes and they didn't know what they
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: were planning on doing. So do you believe that? Who
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: could even come up with these lamps?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: This is ridiculous.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: And so she got rid of those. She got rid
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: of the Chippendale sofa. She got rid of. She was
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: the library director before her, got rid of the handmade
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Windsor chairs. We had 300 of these Windsor chairs that
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: were worth $ 100, 000 and.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Got rid of them.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: We don't know where anything is. We heard through the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: rumor that some of the furniture someone saw down at
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: the Goodwill store, and she would notify people. This is
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: just a rumor, so I don't know if it's true.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: That it would be there. It would be a crime
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: if that was the case. I mean, that's just wrong.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Someone saw one of the library chairs in another person's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: living room. And she found out where she got it from.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: And so we went down to Goodwill Store ourselves to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: see if we could find any more, and there weren't any.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: But somehow these have disappeared. And a lot of those
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: were memorials that people donated, just like the bus. My
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: brother and I, in honor of our parents, we donated
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: $ 12, 000 to pay for all those buses. Each of the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: big adult reading areas, we had a hall of presidents,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: a hall of authors, and a hall of mythological figures.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: So we had over 30-some bus placed all around the building.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: That your family donated the cost of.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, our family donated. They were on the beam going
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: around it. Well, I asked them, what are they doing
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: with them? Well, we can't leave them up there because
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: they collected too much dust.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: You know, they actually make rags and stuff. You can actually—
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: clean that. Did you know that? I'm not an architect,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: but you can dust them.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: I know, but they're the color of dust. They were white.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Who's going to know this? That's right.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: So she had a plan, or their architects did. All
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: of this, they aren't intelligent enough to come up with
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: these ideas, and it was all instituted by those Cleveland
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: out-of-town contemporary architects. And unfortunately, they're the same ones she
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: used to design the new main library downtown, that they
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: spent $ 27 million to serve only 9% of the population.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Can you believe that?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: $ 27 million to fix that?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: $ 27 million to serve 9% of the population. And you
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: know what's happening now?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Well, part of the problem with the libraries and the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: National Library Association is they're all woke. And what they
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: want is they want to provide housing for the homeless
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: and things and opportunities. And that's why the library has
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: expanded their services from just books to things that shouldn't
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: be there, like a culinary center to teach them. And
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: what happens is the people that sign up for the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: culinary center when they have classes they do it for
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: the groceries that they get. So they get bags of groceries.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: And so we heard that from the rescue mission, when
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: it closes at 8 in the morning, and this is all,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: I haven't been there at 8, but I was told
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: when the rescue mission closes, then they go to the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: nearest library. And this was told from a person who
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: was in administration in the library, a friend of both
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: of us. Anyway, so she told us. What they do
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: is they go to the nearest library that offers food
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: and things, and that's where they hang out for the day.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: So all these special study rooms that our library doesn't have,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: that the library association is trying to promote, these private
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: study rooms, are taken over by the homeless. And this
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: is nationwide. I have articles from Florida, from all over.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: They go in and camp out because they're kicked out
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: of the rescue missions until they can come back.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: In the private study rooms.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Yes. And so what they were designed for, the public
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: and things, has all gone to the homeless. And the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: smell in those rooms is so profound, no one can
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: use them but them. And so they bring their belongings.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: They camp out there. And they've been doing this. And
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: I saw them at the downtown library when we were there,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: camped out, but not with taking over the rooms so
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: that no one else could use them. And so this
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: is what the library association is promoting, homelessness and things.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: And they're trying to say they're helping you know the
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: people but they're.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: There and what do you spend downtown twenty.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Seven million and actually it was it was supposed to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: be twenty six but even even uh... good old director
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: had a million and a half overage uh... change orders
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: on it because it ended up at twenty seven million.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Can i ask you what do you think of the
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: work what do you think of the design.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Worst level library but we went down there for the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: big town meeting there was two hundred of us there
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: and it was all set up uh... they had already
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: decided to uh... to vote against it but when we
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: went down there And these are supposed to be the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: number one or one of the best library architects in
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: the state. It was an abortion. I had never seen
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: a more poorly designed library in my life. The acoustics were,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: it was horrible. You couldn't even hear what was going on.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: The echo, everything was hard surfaces. They had built in
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: steps that were wide enough to sit on so all
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: the people were just congregating in the hallway of, entrance hallway.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: And the architecture is a disgrace, what they did. They
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: had an Andrew Carnegie Library, one of the first in
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: the country here in Youngstown, and all spearheaded by Reuben McMillan.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: That's how the name came from. And so an Andrew
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Carnegie is a classic historic library, and they're sought after
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: by all the historic towns to restore and things like this.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: But what do they do? They build this contemporary flat-roof sloped,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: wood-sided look-alike pavilion next to this historic building. It desecrates
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: the entire Wick Avenue. It doesn't blend in with the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: gorgeous Gothic church next to it. And everything, it's just,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I as an architect, I just would never do anything
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: like that. An architect should relate to the community, not
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: to try and do an edifice for himself.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: So it looks hideous.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, and it's hideous. And I was so surprised because
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: these were supposed to be such renowned architects and they
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: were the ones then that ended up.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: There were now contemporary architects.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah but not even that good but but.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I mean but you don't want contemporary architects on what
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: you're doing.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: No no you don't so so anyway so uh.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: So they took the history of that building and and
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: heard it they didn't enhance it.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: In my opinion now she tried to justify it and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: say how And this was what was so strange because
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: everything she was complaining about Poland and its historical context,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: she was using to justify the design and what they
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: had done to enhance the downtown library. And she was
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: also talking about the gold doors and how the motto
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: of them, I wish I had my paper, I could
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: read you the motto.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to pull that mic close. I need
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: to be closer there.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: The motto that is above the door, she said it
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: has to do with how responsive the library is to
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: the community and things like this, which is a, total
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: fabrication of not, but it's also, they also have, I
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: don't know if they're gold leaf, but they look like
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: a gold leaf set of doors. And the architect didn't
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: even design anything to use those for the entrance. So
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: they spent all this money restoring those doors and they
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: have no access to anything. They're just a symbol of
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: the original Carnegie building out front. And that's just, you know,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: a good architect would never have. something false like that
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: and spend that kind of money and not have it function.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Do you think that this, I'm sitting listening to you,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: and if I go back to the Poland Library, it's
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: a crime to me how that was, what they did
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: downtown just based on what you're saying. They didn't enhance it.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: But when I go back to Poland building, this is fixable,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: yet they've already voted. You have people on a board
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: that have no background in building or in architecture or
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: any of this stuff making a decision and a woman
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: running a library that I don't know if she understands
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Poland or the history of Poland because she's not from here.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: They hired her from Arizona. And she comes here and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: decides we're going to take this beautiful building, we're going
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: to make these changes of the furniture, the statues, all
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: the history that you put in there that enhance that building.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: And when it happened, that pissed everyone off in your community,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: the Poland community. And what is it? Just the arrogance?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: We don't care? We don't care what the taxpayer have
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: to say, what the customers of the library system have
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: to say?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: And 300 of us citizens donated over a million dollars.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: to make that library special for Poland. And it's all
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: been ignored and thrown away. And..
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Which takes a cake. So whether it's Moranski with the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: bricks or your family with the bust, they're gone. And
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: you guys donate significant money for those to be there forever.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: 300 families and foundations and businesses donated to make that
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: library special. The Alexov family was the biggest supporter. They
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: donated $ 100, 000 to... so we could have the dome on
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: the library. And the reason they did that is I
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: was helping him design his wife's monument at the Poland Cemetery,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: and she had recently died, and he wanted to have
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: something nice, so he respected my design abilities. So I
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: met him out there, and we talked about it. So
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: I sketched something for him there and talked about the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: shape of it and everything else. And I said, you know,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: if you really wanted to honor her, You might be
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: interested in the cupola of the poem library because it's
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: a centerpiece of the library and it would be a
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: fitting memorial to anyone. And he said, well, how much
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: is it? And I said, it's $ 100, 000. And without blinking
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: an eye, he said, I'll take it. And I found
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: out later because she had such bad arthritis, she couldn't
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: travel and she lived her life through books. And that
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: was the connection.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: What you designed in Poland is... It gets attention through
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: architectural everywhere, right?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even Harvard used it as an example for young
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: architects for the library course on how to design libraries
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: for the community. And I went and did that all
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: on my own just to learn as much as I
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: could because I wanted to make sure our library was
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: at the foremost of the technology and the designs.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, you made something spectacular in Mahoning County. I mean,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I sit here looking at you, and I
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: think you're a hell of a guy. I mean, you got,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there are architects, and there are architects.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: You follow what I'm saying?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, not all architects are created alike.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: No, it's my life, okay?
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: And it's your community.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is my community. And what I try and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: do is I try and glorify God in everything I do.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: And it shows because when that library was finished and
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: designed and By the way, the governor came up personally
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: because he heard about it in Columbus. He came up
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: personally for the grand opening. We had 800 people there
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: inside the library just accolading it. I brought for you
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: the story from the Vindicator because they're completely changed now
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: because of her influence in that. But the story that
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: the Vindicator wrote, an editorial on the opening of the library,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: and this is just Amazing, because you never get that
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: kind of positive.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: There's still an effort to try to stop this decision, though, right?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: There's still hundreds of people that are saying, we're not
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: going to take this.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Right, from the state legislature all the way down to
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: the local political people, everyone.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: And the local community. Stand by. All right, Bob Mastriana
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: is here. Architect, Ron Verb, NewsRadio 570 WKBN from the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Kingdom of Mahoning. 570 WKBN. I will be taking some
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: calls coming up for Bob Mastriana. You know, you are
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: a great architect. I mean, just knowing some of the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: stuff that you've done. I mean, as I say, they're architects,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: but what you make is spectacular. When you look at this, right,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: that I have in front of me, the picture of
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: the Poland Library with the lights on, with the design
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: of it, it is truly a spectacular building. It's a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: spectacular building. And if they leave, what happens to this building?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: If they leave, actually..
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: We were talking about, and it's going to be controversial,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: but we were talking about merging the township and the
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: village together to have it as a government center and
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: then also have it as a community center, an event center,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: and consolidate everything. And that would be a fitting use
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: for the building. It needs to be what it was
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: originally designed for, though, an active part of the community.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: When this was first designed, every realtor who had a
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: call of someone moving into the area, that was the
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: first place they took them. And it sold every one
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: of them to move to the Mahoning Valley and Poland
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: in particular. And unfortunately, the way the interiors have been desecrated,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: it's lost that charm.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: By taking the furniture out and the bust out, what
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: else did they do?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: They took out all the paintings. They took out all
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: the Baldwin lamps. They took out everything that was traditional
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: in character and made it contemporary. I have pictures, but I.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Don't bring them. Boy, that doesn't jive with the building.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: I know, but she said it wouldn't matter because the
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: building on the outside looks the same.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: No, you're losing the effect of the building.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: People came there. They hung out there more than their
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: homes because it was so pleasant and warm and inviting.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: They would come there, and even we had chapters, a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: really good restaurant when we first opened, and they would
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: come there and have dinner there, and then they would
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: have children's playtime there in the children's room. that the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Deering family donated $ 45, 000 for. It was the center of Poland,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: and everyone loved to be there. We had weddings there.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Even without alcohol, everything happened. In fact, believe it or not,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: to this day, it's still featured. If you look up
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Poland on Pinterest or anything, it's the number one thing
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: that they feature Poland.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: You know, when we talk about things about our community,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: you always hear Mill Creek Park. You hear the Butler.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: You hear about the Poland Library. They're just crown jewels
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: of this community that you hear about all the time.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: The number one thing that was photographed, and they even
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: used it for billboards, was the Victorian gazebo I designed
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: for Mill Creek Park in the Fellows Riverside Gardens. That
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: was a symbol of Youngstown for all those years.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just beautiful stuff. Absolutely beautiful. Stand by. We'll take
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: some calls. Callers in line, stand by. Comments for Bob 330-729-9977.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: This is eye-opening to me. Absolutely eye-opening what's going on here.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: This is a travesty of what's going on in this
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: community as far as your tax dollars are concerned today.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: As far as this building is concerned, this whole thing
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: stinks to high heaven to me.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: 330-729-9977.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Call us on the line. Be patient. I thank you
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: for waiting all this time. I'll take your calls. Coming up,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: NewsRadio 570 WKVN. Ron Verb with Bob Mastriana, and we'll
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: be back. WKBN. I will be taking some calls coming
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: up for Bob Mastriana. You know, you are a great architect.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, just knowing some of the stuff that you've done.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, as I say, they're architects, but what you
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: make is spectacular. When you look at this, right, that
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: I have in front of me, the picture of the
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  Speaker 1: Poland Library with the lights on, with the design of it,
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  Speaker 1: it is truly a spectacular building. It's a spectacular building.
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  Speaker 1: And If they leave, what happens to this building?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, we were talking about, and it's going to be controversial,
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  Speaker 2: but we were talking about merging the township and the
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  Speaker 2: village together to have it as a government center and
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  Speaker 2: then also have it as a community center, an event center,
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  Speaker 2: and consolidate everything. And that would be a fitting use
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  Speaker 2: for the building. It needs to be what it was
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  Speaker 2: originally designed for, though, an active part of the community.
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  Speaker 2: When this was first designed, every realtor, who had a
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  Speaker 2: call of someone moving into the area. That was the
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  Speaker 2: first place they took them. And it sold every one
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  Speaker 2: of them to move to the Mahoning Valley, and Poland
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  Speaker 2: in particular. And unfortunately, the way the interiors have been desecrated,
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  Speaker 2: it's lost that charm.
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  Speaker 1: By taking the furniture out and the bust out, what
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  Speaker 1: else did they do?
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  Speaker 2: They took out all the paintings. They took out all
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  Speaker 2: the Baldwin lamps. They took out everything that was traditional
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  Speaker 2: in character and went... And made it contemporary. I have pictures,
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  Speaker 2: but I.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't bring them. Boy, that doesn't jive with the building.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but she said it wouldn't matter because the
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  Speaker 2: building on the outside looks the same.
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  Speaker 1: No, you're losing the effect of the building. Of course.
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  Speaker 2: People came there. They hung out there more than their
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  Speaker 2: homes because it was so pleasant and warm and inviting.
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  Speaker 2: They would come there, and even we had chapters, a
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  Speaker 2: really good restaurant when we first opened. And they would
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  Speaker 2: come there and have dinner there, and then they would
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  Speaker 2: have children's– playtime there in the children's room that the
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  Speaker 2: Deering family donated $ 45, 000 for. It was the center of Poland,
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  Speaker 2: and everyone loved to be there. We had weddings there.
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  Speaker 2: Even without alcohol, everything happened. In fact, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 2: to this day, it still features If you look up
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  Speaker 2: Poland on Pinterest or anything, it's the number one thing
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  Speaker 2: that they feature Poland.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when we talk about things about our community,
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  Speaker 1: you always hear Mill Creek Park. You hear the Butler.
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  Speaker 1: You hear about the Poland Library. They're just crown jewels
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  Speaker 1: of this community that you hear about all the time.
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  Speaker 2: The number one thing that was photographed, and they even
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  Speaker 2: used it for billboards, was the Victorian gazebo I designed
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  Speaker 2: for Mill Creek Park in the Fellows Riverside Gardens. That
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  Speaker 2: was a symbol of Youngstown for all those years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just beautiful stuff. Absolutely beautiful. Stand by. We'll take
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  Speaker 1: This is eye-opening to me. Absolutely eye-opening what's going on here.
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  Speaker 1: This is a travesty of what's going on in this
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  Speaker 1: community as far as your tax dollars are concerned, as
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  Speaker 1: far as this building is concerned. This whole thing stinks
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  Speaker 1: to high heaven to me.
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