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Episode 200: The Magic Milestone · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I cannot believe I'm saying this.
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Welcome to episode 200 of the Magic Guys.
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This is ridiculous!
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To my right, we have Nick K. Merry Christmas, people!
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Oh, yeah. Down below, we've got Doug Kahn. Happy holidays, kindred spirits.
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And ladies and gentlemen, let's go.
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200 episodes of The Magic Eyes. That's 1,400 in dog years, you know.
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Even better. And we do love our dog audience out there, you know.
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Caden, what is up? Thank you for joining us, my friend.
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Everyone is, you know, slowly jumping in this
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live stream today because we're a day early and that's
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because we all have different Christmas plans and you know
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we did actually talk about just leaving
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episode 200 for the new year so we could like plan for it and stuff but I'm
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like we can't end the year on 199 episodes you know we've got to we've got to
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end it with a bang so Nick thank you for dressing in your usual attire normally
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you De-Santi yourself for our podcast,
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but now you're back in your usual state. Yeah. How are you feeling?
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This will be its everyday wear. Can I be honest? I'm actually exhausted.
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I'm so happy that I've got a quiet week and just a couple more gigs before the
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end of the year. It's been an epic December, dude.
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Yeah, it, it, no doubt so many gigs and I'm seeing, I'm seeing all our fellow
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magicians in Australia, like finishing up their gigs and they're posting like
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how many they've done and like, Oh yeah, I've made it out. And you know, Oh, all done now.
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Some of these guys are actually doing a lot more gigs than, than I did in December. So I don't know.
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They all under, under, uh, sold you and they're getting all your work from last
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year. Like I had your Dorbito last year. I got 50 bucks cheaper.
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That's what it is. that is what it is thanks for
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saying that Doug no man I mean guys gotta work
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you know we gotta eat and thanks for all those gigs this year I appreciate
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it 100 maybe we should start the
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magic oh well we can't that would be a conflict of
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interest because Nick runs an agency but I was going to say the magic
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guys agency but that doesn't really it's going
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to be guys that sit at home you know watching podcasts all day
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it can be a it can be a partnership and
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yeah don't get me wrong and i've made friends through this podcast that
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i've given work to and so forth in fact you know we've had people like
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lj the amazing lj who's not
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only an amazing magician but also a wrestler and that was a fun episode reflecting
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on the past you know well i wouldn't say the 200 that i've been a part of but
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i mean there are so many awesome moments of the people we have met along this
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way and the friendships we have set up and then when you have these moments
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where you meet the people in person.
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It is just so great, you know, and that is the spirit of what this episode is
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about, kind of reflecting back on those 200 apps.
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How many have I been a part of, Josh? Like 50?
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Dude, that's a great question. All of, all of this year, right?
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All of 2025 at least. Yeah.
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So, you know, that's 50 at least. So it's, it's a lot, you know?
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Yeah. And you've, and you've just contributed so much and especially your history
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lessons and just your knowledge on, on performing in, you know,
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advanced techniques and, and clothing and just all those extra tips.
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All the tips about reducing body
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sweat and moisture pharmaceutical tips
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for you know bowel movements it's been such a great year
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if anything like i've just it's really been
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solidified to me how important
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nick tries to press onto everyone that you should smell
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good and be on time and be easy to work with
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and you know if you can do those three
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things you're already like halfway there right i'd like
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to think so man like it's pretty offensive being around anyone
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with bad breath or body odor or when you're a close-up magician who's
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clearly just punched a couple of cigarettes before coming in and saying
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hi everyone and you're like so yeah yeah so what i did because we've also had
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some amazing guests on this year and and every year but what i did was and this
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is in no particular order or who is better or whatnot i just i found six of the final words.
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Which is the minute of wisdom that they give to us at the very end of the episode.
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And I've just grabbed six of them that are all just a little bit different and loaded them up here.
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And we can just kind of reflect on, because normally when they give that final
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word, their podcast ends and we don't get to talk about it.
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But here, I thought we'd play it and then it actually gives us a chance to dissect
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kind of what they're saying.
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Some of them are quick and some are funny, but some really have some good substance
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to them. so I think maybe I'll kick off the first one this one is from David Regal,
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talking about how magic helps people get through their day. So let's hand it over to David Riegel.
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The final word is not to be too touchy-feely about it, is what we do helps people
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get through life a little bit.
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When people see magic and they're astonished, It's connecting them with a feeling
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they haven't had for a very long time.
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Even if it's a comedy effect, when you're an infant or a toddler, you just laugh.
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You laugh, and you're delighted, and you're amazed, and it's involuntary laughter.
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When I see the best magicians in the world, like Armando Lucero,
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I look over, and there's some captain of industry.
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Is he worth a billion dollars? Maybe. and he's rolling back and he's kind of
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kind of uh the floor's gone out from under him and i think this man has not
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felt this way in a very long time i think at the end of the day,
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that's what we do better than any fish so that's my my final word.
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Now strong words man and i i gotta say i agree with that a whole bunch and the
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earliest memory I had personally from like that learning that he just,
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he said in which it's a gift and that you make someone's day a little bit better.
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I, in my very early in my career, when I took my car in for a service and my
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mechanic was right next door to the office I used to work in.
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And there was a pack of playing cards everywhere, you know, like there was always
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one on the dashboard or in the side console or in the cup holder,
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like there was always something.
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And he asked like, what's the deal and i said like i you know it's a hobby and
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i started showing this guy some magic and he actually said to me because i was
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having the worst day after showing him something i was having the worst day
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man and now i just like can't stop smiling and that was the first time i went wow,
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okay there's something interesting here so i really empathize with what he kind
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of says has there been any scenarios in which you guys have had this sort of
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experience and went like you You know what, to his point, I totally agree.
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I remember like similar to this, but in just a different lane,
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I remember doing a show and thought nothing of it other than it went great.
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And afterwards, this girl came up to me.
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She's like 26 and she's like, and she helped out in the show and she came up
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to me and she's like, you don't know this, but like my number one stayed,
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my number one fear in life.
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Number one is getting on stage.
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And I've always wanted to try and conquer that. And you just helped me do that today.
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Like you made me feel so comfortable and like, I can't believe I've actually
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done it and been on a stage in front of a room full of people.
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And then she tagged me in a post on Instagram later that day because a friend
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took a photo of her on stage and stuff.
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And she wrote this whole thing about how she'd overcome this thing now for
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the year and that was a similar feeling i
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was like holy crap yeah people don't public
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speak like you know it's a
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very small handful of people that are comfortable doing that and and
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i just it didn't even occur to me that they might
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be coming on stage for the first time so that was pretty wow pretty mind-boggling
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to me that's yeah i i've
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heard from people online where it's actually been life-changing like
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some of the moments that they've absorbed
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through the things i've offered on just online magic videos
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be it like during covid i think a lot of people struggled or
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able to find some entertainment and smiles and you
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know i wouldn't even discount things we offer online i've
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heard from more than one person that like literally the
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magic has been life-saving you know
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be it you know some depressive order or something people are
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going through so echoing what david said yeah our
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our skill sets to make people forget their worries are maybe of a higher order
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than any other art form you know music certainly would count movies but magician
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when you give them a sense of wonder all the worry goes away and uh yeah we're very special artists.
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Yeah yeah that's too good all right
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i could talk about that all day but um alas we shall move on this one i can't
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remember what to expect from morton here but this is what morton said for his
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final word yeah he's one of my favorites all year what about more controversial
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guests all right here we go oh wait we need to just so people know one's coming.
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Be better be don't settle don't just
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do stuff but then again
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nobody cares and and you shouldn't listen to me
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i i have nothing this i i have no money
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i have no friends i i live alone and i'm
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in denmark it's not a very nice country okay i'm lying it's
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a very nice country but yeah just don't you
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listen don't listen to me but then maybe i think you should
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but but you shouldn't because is why would you
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but i think you should but but but again i am
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nobody who cares like two years ago i was nobody now i'm just nobody with a
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big fucking glass trophy from fism because i'm the fucking world best so please
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listen to everything i've said the better than you show them really because
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it's it's i'm i'm just a big dumb guy like i look at i'm i'm i'm nobody but,
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please listen but then again you shouldn't i'm sorry.
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You should though so basically what he's saying
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is be better and don't just settle for how
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how you are right now is what he's
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trying to say in that bit yeah what
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do you think what do you think nick yeah look i mean by all means be better
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in every way you can like you know just be be good at magic the you know be
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good at life magic will come from being good at life and being a good person
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that's one of my most favorite learnings of my life you know be good at life magic will come.
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I would encourage anyone who hasn't listened to that whole episode to go back
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and absorb some of the things he had to say in it.
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And then you get a little more context about, you know, what he means by be better, you know?
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Can I do one quick shout out as well to something that he's released recently? Yeah.
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Yeah. So this jumbo card trick, I actually bought this in Vegas,
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but the tutorial hadn't been released yet.
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So you were able to buy the product without a tutorial and they've only sort
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of just released a tutorial.
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Now this is a good bit of business there's a
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lot of comedy to be had it is the easiest most fun thing
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you can do i am going to play with the presentation
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of this quite a bit so it's morton jumbo card trick by morton christensen available
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through vanishing ink it is it's a cool bit of kit scope it out okay i remember
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him talking about this effect yeah is this a version of don allen's big deal
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is that trick mentioned at all in.
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So you can have your prediction in your pocket.
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And then you can have two packs. Left or right? Right. Keep or throw? Keep.
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Left or right? Right. Keep. Right. Keep.
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Left or right? Left. Keep. So we have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
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Just pick a number. three so this
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one here yeah to be clear the middle card
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yeah so just to be very clear so we
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made a prediction my big jumbo cuts
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are on microphones in the way i don't know if you can see that okay if i just
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yeah yeah a perfect match boy macho won't my worries are gone okay yeah it's
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it's Cool. And it was a little fun to be had there.
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That is a version of Don Allen's big deal. I surmise he had an interesting cleanup
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or introduction for this wonderful routine.
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There's a lot of ways you can present that as well. I'm sure, you know? Yeah.
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Yeah. I think any utilities that are limited by your own creativity,
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by all means, scope it out. So I wanted to give him a shout out because he's a wealth of knowledge.
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I've put on my to-do list during my little bit of downtime to go back and revisit
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some of his lectures and his masterclasses.
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And I also had the pleasure of hanging out with him quite a bit whilst I was
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in Vegas at magic live. And he's just 50 kinds of awesome.
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So if you are unfamiliar with him, go back and scope out that episode.
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Absorb all the genius that is Morton Christensen.
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He talks a lot about how when he buys an effect, he likes to actually deconstruct
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the gimmick, for example, and learn how it works.
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So he would know how to make more of them if one broke or to tweak it or enhance
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it or, you know, always try to make things a little bit better and push yourself.
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And it's very inspiring as well as him being super duper laid back about himself
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even though he won a FISM award.
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Pretty crazy stuff. All right, we can't go past Blake Voight.
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Blake Voight came on earlier.
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This was about eight months ago now, I think it was. And this is what Blake
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had to say for his final word.
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Here is the final word or words. I would say bad ideas. Don't be afraid of them.
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Embrace them. Whatever version of them you call, whether it be silly ideas or
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bad ones, I think some of the best ones I've ever seen happen that aren't mine
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or mine all started off as a bad idea.
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So stick with the bad ideas, keep creating, and thank you for having me on this
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podcast. This was super fun.
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The best smile in magic. Speaking of bad ideas, I thought it might be fun to
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float a Christmas ornament today.
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Oh great ideas i spent about
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three hours here experimenting with regular invisible
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thread vector thread fishing line i
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had wax i got other rising gimmicks and at the end of the day i all i got's
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a big big blooper reel this was a pretty good method here though this thing
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i got a lot going on with this contraption here i dude i thought that was like some sort of star wars,
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like X-Wing fly.
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I was going to, you know, if things had gone better, I might have had time to
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edit together like a blooper reel, but I don't know if you can see the picture.
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I've got my tripod with an inflatable magic wand taped to it hanging over the
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top of our Christmas tree where I've fed down a variety of.
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Different kinds of thread. I ended up taping a straw to the top of our tree
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topper to run the line through this.
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Maybe you can see that in this picture a little bit.
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Yeah, that's all of it turned out to be crap. It's all bad ideas.
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And quite frankly, Blake Voight's suggestions is trash.
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Bad ideas are not always good. No, I mean, it's nice to have permission to do bad ideas, though.
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The permission to fail. i really feel that
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it's allowed me to excel quite a bit
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after that yeah josh you
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know it was it was good for the first like 15
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minutes i what i originally thought was i
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do steve pearson's floating cigarette hookup and
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i have this running over the head right and so
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then this floats up and it lands on the tree but then
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it looked exactly what it looks like something's dangling
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off my face so i was like filmed it
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shot it all right and then i'm like that's no good let's go back
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to the drawing board about time you get four four deep
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into that you know redoing the ideas and taping
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your inflatable wand sorry did
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you end up with an ending like
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that you like did you end up filming an end version yes
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by the time i'd switched to the fishing line
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with the straw running through the hat i finally nailed a
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great float it floated up and then clear as
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a bell on the video you can see the flip fishing line
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no hiding it i don't have the skills to erase it
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so to make a long story short no at this
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point best i can hope for is a blooper reel which you
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might see tomorrow well you know all ideas
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start somewhere right so the
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end goal is you wanted to show what the ornament.
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Floating up and landing on the tree how a magician you
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know decorates the tree and what i wanted
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to do is just blow the ball out of my hand and
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it floats up and you know if
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you want to give me a minute i'll go grab the computer you can see the footage
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that i have of doing it you know maybe we'll save it for the the discord yeah
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let's do that uh that's interesting i mean look Like we could spend this whole
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day sessioning on ideas and stuff for that,
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but maybe we'll keep going. Well, yeah.
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Well, I was going to say, hey, man, one more thing that I was trying to create.
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So I had an effect that I was trying to create, but I couldn't quite get the economy.
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Well, I wouldn't say the economy and movement, but like for me to attach gaffes
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and so forth with this particular effect that I wanted to do, if we can double my.
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Do it, Josh. Yeah. You got it?
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Yeah. So I wanted to play with this idea, which I will share with you guys.
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So the intention of this friends, if we can go full screen on myself,
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Josh, is I wanted to gift you guys back something for all the support you've
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given us over the past 200 episodes.
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I mean, even just down here, Caden, fun fact.
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The Blake episode was the very first episode that Kate watched.
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And then now he's hooked. So that's how you get them.
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So that's really, really cool. And I wanted to play with this idea where you
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have a stocking filler, maybe a Christmas type thing.
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In this case, we have my bag, innocuous bag, if you will.
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And the idea with this is that you focus on a stocking filler.
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So with a wave of the hand, you can produce and place in candy canes,
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putting them in, you know, and make it look really magical.
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And then you do a whole bunch, which you can then produce all of the candies
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and then give them out. That's so.
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Yeah. And it was because of Blake Voight's notion of saying,
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like, hey, give it a crack and be able to fail.
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And all I did was revisit a couple of ideas from Tarbell, apply it to a Christmas idea.
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And that I realized is like, man, if you're doing a Christmas show for kids
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in any capacity, that is going to be a full routine. you can have a lot of fun with.
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And I just now came up with an idea that would work a lot better using this effect.
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So I will post on our Discord how that effect is done as a gift to all you guys
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who have been listening.
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So do scope out the links for the Discord, which Josh will put in there later.
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As a little thank you from me on behalf of all the Magic guys who have been
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a part of this, thank you to our listeners. Thank you a bunch. Cool. Yeah.
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That was a great effect the the only one i was thinking of doing today and i've
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not thought about whether i should do this on the stream or not was i actually
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did this yesterday so i standing there at my our rapping station rapping presence and wait wait wait wait,
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while people were rapping were you beatboxing,
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That is funny, but no. I mean, yes, I probably was, but that's not,
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I guess, part of the story.
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My partner runs a business and she has to package her orders.
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So she has like a table set out for that.
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And I was like, I will use that station for wrapping the presents that I have for people.
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But I sat, I really hope I don't flash this straight away.
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I sat this on the table, but face so that it was facing this way to her.
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So everything looked normal, but every time she'd. What this is,
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listeners, is a empty cup, empty glass, if you will.
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And then every time she would walk away, I would shake it and change it into candy.
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And this is a funny moment to show on video, but basically I would set it up
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that Sandy didn't know that I was sitting there just chowing down on Skittles.
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Because every time she would come in, I would just vanish the Skittles and it
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would look like an empty glass.
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Real life practical applications for magic.
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I feel like parents with young children are going to need this to be like,
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you know, when grownups try to have a snack, but they can't because the moment
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they hear the rap and the kids are like, you know, like a Doberman. Holy crap. Absolutely.
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Or you could like change it from, no, yeah, liquid to get too messy.
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But yeah, change it to being empty.
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Yeah, have you ever seen the one where there's a lady, she's kind of holding
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an ice cream sandwich, but it's hidden behind a piece of lettuce to the kids.
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Look, she's just eating lettuce.
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Yeah, I'm with you. Ah, that's funny. That's funny. All right,
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this is probably one of the...
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Greatest pieces of advice for when someone says they want to become a full-time
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magician, which we have many listeners in that same state.
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This was from Sean Farquhar when he came on the podcast.
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This is not the final word, but this is just the snippet that was really insightful.
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And so, Sean Farquhar, ladies and gentlemen.
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I tell everybody to say, all my students, I have this acronym that I use.
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I say, yeah, The secret of success is talent, but it's not what you think it is.
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It's break it down. It's tenacity. You have to be tenacious.
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You have to never want to give up.
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You have to really believe that what you're going to do is what you're going
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to do. And then regardless of what other people say, keep doing it.
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And then A, which is authenticity. You have to be authentic.
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You just can't go out there and pretend to be somebody else.
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There's only one of you. Be you and you'll be great. L, likability.
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If you're a jerk, then nobody's going to like you. My dad said,
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if you got them laughing and on your side, you can screw up and they'll still
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love you and they'll still follow you. So likability.
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Then it's E, that's entertaining. You have to be entertaining and ethical.
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Ethical and entertaining. If all you do is you fool people, nobody wants to
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be fooled. I can fool you by saying, look, there's somebody behind you and you
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might look. That's not entertaining.
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N, natural. Be natural in the way you perform.
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Everybody says, if you really want a fooled person, look at how you naturally
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do it and then find a way to make that the way that you cheat.
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That way you have that naturalness. Very important.
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And then T, did I mention tenacity? Oh, yeah, I did. Yeah. Tenacity.
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So man there's a lot of point there like i mean tenacity we
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can all agree on that it barely even requires just you know
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discussion but the authenticity is what i find really interesting and i
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think that comes down to people's like intent if
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they are really just genuinely happy to do
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magic with the intent of making people happy i feel like that's the
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guys who do really well whereas the ones who kind of will
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do things for their ego to be like i'm all this
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and blah blah blah and they'll do a gig because i've done
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gigs with one particular magician around
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town i don't cross paths with two all too often maybe two or
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three times a year or at least their name comes up and they
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go he's great but man he's got an ego like it's
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just like sickening and
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it's interesting because i want to kind of throw this out
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there to you guys that's off the back of this because i've been pondering
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this for a while where i meet people who haven't been
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in the game for very long or have done magic for a long time
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but don't perform all too often and they say things like oh
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i want to be this type of magician i want
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to be the kind of debonair type guy i want to be this and i
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want to be that and it's like bro that ain't you at all like at all and it's
25:28
i find it fascinating because a part of me tries to figure out like should you
25:32
be genuine and authentic to who you really are but if you're a piece of crap
25:36
you know what i mean like like you know like then
25:40
be the fake person because i because the the biggest thing that makes me clash in my head.
25:46
Is when you look at somebody like lucy darling who is an amazing character like phenomenal.
25:53
And i've seen before many a times here in melbourne so i i i kind of i kind
26:00
of get stuck with the thought process and i'd like to chat about it if we if
26:02
we have a moment yeah it's an interesting i mean the i think the difference
26:07
is that when lucy darling is on stage.
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She's not confused about that being her actual self.
26:16
She's very aware that that is a character that's only on that stage,
26:21
you know, and then she comes out of it and she's back to normal.
26:24
Whereas the people you're describing probably want people to think like that's
26:30
who they really are all the time.
26:32
And that's what's going to trip them up is because people will catch them out not being like that.
26:37
Does that make you, does that like make things feel?
26:41
Feel a bit more sense right yeah like i've i as much as i love nick k as a character,
26:49
but there's a border and boundary boundary around him
26:52
like not with his creativity but to where he lives and i don't make i don't
26:58
make my life problems nick k's problems if that makes sense you know nick k
27:01
just goes out there does a job and gives but i don't trouble him with like when
27:05
is the bills going to get paid how are we going to cover our mortgages you know it's like no i,
27:11
Nick K is this character that goes out there and has the best time but he's at work,
27:17
as far as I'm concerned as far as the divide comes
27:20
from but I love that guy because he goes out there and then he funds my lifestyle
27:25
in which I'm able to then take care of my parents and my sisters and everything
27:29
else and the dogs you know gotta take care of the dogs and the animals you know
27:34
so it's yeah it's an interesting thing but.
27:39
I guess that level of authenticity is that like the character is a divide.
27:44
And it's just interesting when that character is like leaps and bounds apart
27:49
from the actual person do you know what i mean like it's very difficult like,
27:55
When you sit with Lucy Darling and you can talk martinis, you can talk about
27:59
martinis and beautiful things and the finer things in life because she by nature
28:03
is a very classy person in a sense, right?
28:06
But then when you want to sit with somebody who's like, I want to be debonair
28:10
and so forth, it's like, well, have you ever read a book?
28:13
No. What do you know about art? Nothing.
28:17
Do you read poetry? No. Have you read any book on stoicism?
28:21
No. It's like, well, how do you profess to be something that you have no knowledge of?
28:27
So I guess the answer is you've got to build a character, right?
28:31
I don't know why magicians sometimes lean towards the suave debonair.
28:35
You know, they think they're supposed to be sexy and mysterious.
28:38
And that's going to work for maybe 1%, and I'd say less than that of the populace.
28:44
And probably your average human doesn't want to see their magician really be
28:49
that way. because, you know, it's like the egotistical thing.
28:53
And I was like, who's that guy with his raised eyebrow, you know, or his fancy hair.
28:58
You know, I think people like a bit of humility. And like you'd say,
29:02
like Lucy, a character that they can relate to, maybe as opposed to some elitist
29:08
Mysterium that, you know.
29:11
I know a magician like that comes on the TV. My wife makes me turn the channel,
29:16
you know. But Matt King comes on and she scoots up to the front, you know, to watch.
29:22
Yeah. Well, and I think what that really also has to come down to is Sean Farquhar's
29:27
next one after Authenticity, which is likability.
29:32
So you can be a cocky character, but they have to be likable.
29:37
Yeah. Like it has to be likable. Otherwise, you're not going to get away.
29:42
Like no one's going to be forgiving if you stuff up. They're going to be waiting for you to mess up.
29:47
And, you know, they're not going to want to see you again if you're not likable.
29:51
So, but on the flip side, there is also something to be said about that cocky
29:57
character that is disliked in the way that people have online content these days.
30:04
And a lot of the characters that are mean or not mean, mean,
30:08
but like a little bit mean or a little bit edgy, there is a place for that as well.
30:13
You know like the Nelk boys for example became so
30:17
so world famous by doing pranks on people that were not nice pranks but like
30:22
they had their own following of other people who are also you know little weirdo
30:28
nerd guys that were like oh yeah they're doing the thing so there's but the
30:33
thing is they're being authentic to how they are naturally so so,
30:37
They're just being themselves, which is to be cocky and annoy people.
30:40
But what I'm saying is there is an audience for that, but as long as you're being authentic.
30:46
But then, yeah, in magic, though, you do have to be likable if you're going to have a career in it.
30:52
Well, you know, Caden kind of leads into that topic as well.
30:56
But Caden just made a comment saying that I personally feel when I perform my
30:59
character, so to speak, is really just my normal personality turned up to a 9 or a 10.
31:04
And that I kind of agree with. You know what I mean? And I feel like it's an
31:07
alter ego. It's a higher version of yourself.
31:11
And that's a nice place to be, man, because I definitely couldn't be the turned
31:18
up to 11 spinal tap version of Nick K all the time and still have friends and
31:24
family that want to be around me.
31:26
Because that's extra, man. That's a lot of energy.
31:29
Well, one, to put out there and project to the planet, number one.
31:33
And number two, for people to receive nonstop, like you need peaks and valleys,
31:37
you need highs and lows, you know, you need like the roller coaster doesn't go up, up, up, up, up.
31:41
And then, you know, and never drop like it needs to be drops and then party over.
31:47
100%. Unless you have met Jason Maher in person, then you will realize there
31:53
is someone who is that character 24-7.
31:57
That guy is a larger version of himself, but he always is that.
32:02
And but he's kind of like the anomaly but we've been in shopping centers we've
32:08
been in shopping centers and he is just like as if he's recording a video while
32:12
he's like talking to the guy we're walking past for no reason you know in the aisle to get to the.
32:19
Red bulls and he's like hey mate how you going dropped a
32:22
shoelace and like i'm like who are you talking to
32:25
did he ask for a like and a share as well out
32:28
there i think so i think
32:31
yeah i well it works but you
32:37
know but he has his own burnouts where you know
32:40
like right now he's not making content but you know that's just that's
32:44
his roller coaster and but he but he
32:46
is authentic to himself by just being crazy echoing
32:50
dude yeah all right next
32:53
up ben sideman this is a i
32:56
think a short and sweet one but uh i thoroughly enjoyed
32:59
his episode how many good guests this year i don't know anything i don't know
33:07
what i'm talking about i don't know that i'm very good at almost anything you
33:12
should not take any of this as advice and by any of this i mean any the other things I've said.
33:18
Everything I've learned, I've learned from trying things and failing and asking
33:24
other people questions and just trying to get better.
33:26
So don't look at me as any sort of authority figure. I don't recommend that.
33:31
I just try to get a little bit better every day when it comes to magic and life and you should too.
33:40
Beautiful. For those who haven't watched this episode or haven't watched it in a little while.
33:47
Essentially what he summarizes in that is that his skill set,
33:52
his main skill is that he's never happy with his work.
33:57
So that skill of never being happy with his work is what makes him obsess and
34:01
try and tweak a little bit of something every day to...
34:05
Every show whether it's just changing the color
34:08
of a prop maybe where it sits on stage maybe
34:11
one line maybe the music just he's
34:14
always tweaking something every single time and forever
34:18
never being satisfied which goes
34:21
to show you know the success he's had and the
34:24
latest uh he's just done another expose online
34:27
and he's just going up and
34:30
up crazy crazy stuff yeah i
34:33
think what i also like what i took away from that is
34:36
that a lot of people like will read things or listen
34:39
to things or you know watch a lecture of
34:42
sorts whatever else but i think that they take some
34:45
people's words as gospel and it's like that
34:48
is the only way that is the word of god and we have to
34:51
do it this way or forever and it's like well you don't
34:54
man because and i've said this many a times where
34:57
like the books of wonder are the most wonderful thing and to
35:00
my wonder says in his books everybody wants to see magic they just
35:03
don't know it yet whereas my mentality is if they
35:05
don't want to see magic screw them go somewhere else.
35:09
You know what i mean yeah so there's my
35:12
theory there's his theory and i think that it's important to be open and
35:15
listen to everything that's out there and formulate
35:18
your own opinions or don't even have an opinion you know
35:21
get your own theory out there you know doug that's
35:25
the real stuff you know find an original point of
35:27
view and then you know get so
35:30
good people want to copy you and then go tell them they shouldn't
35:33
listen to you it's interesting that it's some of our great guests
35:36
are saying the same things you know it's
35:39
like here's what i do here's what i do but don't listen
35:42
to me you know do you and do you as good as
35:45
you can do you and you can amp yourself up to that nine or ten and you'd be
35:49
rocking that stuff like ben sideman is yeah i remember talking to a magician
35:53
and he was saying something to the effect of like oh i've got the best way to
35:56
rove man i got this amazing opener it's phenomenal i'm like what do you do because
35:59
what I do is I go grab a drink and I just walk around the party and I wait for somebody to ask me,
36:04
Hey, what do you do? And then I show the magic.
36:07
And I thought to myself, if I hired you for an hour and you waited for people
36:12
to ask what you do, I would never hire you again.
36:16
Like, he's like, but because he read it in a book, which I'm not sure it was, it was a card guy.
36:22
I was one of two people, but I won't say who it was. Cause I don't want to sound
36:25
like a slander, but on a paid gig, I really don't agree with that.
36:29
And gut buster Mike, as he said, it says here, it's crazy to me when people
36:32
are definitive about theory, this is deal with absolutes.
36:40
Yes. Gut buster Mike. Do I have? Only six deal with absolutes. Yeah.
36:48
Right. Yeah. Wow. I don't know.
36:51
I kind of like the idea of just ponying up to the bar at my next gig and just hanging out. Yeah.
36:58
What do you what do i do oh 30 minutes
37:01
in yeah i wish someone would just ask me already yeah how many people did you
37:07
get to oh well only two people asked me what i do so what if people are literally
37:12
trying to avoid you all night because they're like i don't know that guy and
37:15
i'm not interested in you know what i mean like it's not a networking event.
37:19
Although it it is interesting i there's you know five or ten seconds before
37:26
i tell people that I'm a magician when I meet them.
37:30
So at events, I'll just very confidently go up and introduce myself,
37:34
like just say, Oh, Hey, how are you going? And they'll go and they'll just respond to it.
37:38
Like, Oh, Hey, I'm Mick. Yeah. What's your name? Oh, I'm Josh.
37:40
And then I'll get into the rest of whatever.
37:43
But it is interesting that people just naturally at events, just openly like
37:47
invite conversation and, and, you know, want to know who you are.
37:52
Like if I wasn't booked to perform somewhere
37:54
and i'm at an event i'm not just going up to people and
37:57
shaking hands and asking names but it's funny
38:00
to know that you could do that because i haven't
38:03
told them i'm the entertainer there yet when i'm doing that there's something
38:07
to be i would suggest that your body
38:10
energy you know that you're bringing to the table
38:13
is commanding some presence that's a
38:16
bit higher than a normal interaction might be
38:18
you know right right and they're yeah they
38:22
feel maybe like they're safe
38:25
because you're in control yeah i think confidence is paramount
38:28
right for most performing situations certainly if you're
38:31
going to interrupt someone in their social environment you're like
38:35
yeah doubly so if you're on the street you know if you're
38:37
doing street magic and you want to you know ingratiate an audience you
38:41
better be supremely confident about what you're doing they
38:44
will taste the blood and leave you bleeding if
38:47
not you know you know i've been really
38:50
impressed watching sam sam osborne's videos lately
38:53
of him on the streets and his ability
38:56
to command his audience is just so
38:59
refreshing to watch and his latest clip doug you know as a as a as a busking
39:07
master the the thing he's doing with the magic wand is that something that's
39:12
been around for a while or did he i guess in some in some aspect Jack.
39:20
Like pointing the wand at people and making a quip about them.
39:24
It wasn't, he says, stop.
39:25
And the lady, this is a, he goes, this is a magic wand. Look,
39:29
I can prove it. Point, you know, stop walking.
39:32
And he's like, see, I'm trying to think of an exact, you know,
39:38
reference, but not exactly the same.
39:40
So, you know, stuff like that is just so fun.
39:44
Like you command enough attention that like people will just do whatever it is.
39:49
You're there saying because you're in control of
39:52
the ship yep yeah yeah one
39:54
of the things that Scott Scott Link asked is does your attire set
39:58
you apart and I think that if I can speak
40:01
on that real quick is that I typically when I'm doing my residencies I
40:04
wear all black you know at most a white shirt but typically
40:07
I wear my black suits nowadays I've sort of shied away
40:09
from the colors entirely but I think that because I'm
40:12
six foot two and you know bald and
40:15
a beard and you know can look quite menacing in
40:18
a sense or like a security guard when i walk to a table there's this
40:21
moment of silence like crap are we in trouble when i come over and say hello
40:24
and then when i'm like no i'm the magician you know like not that i have to
40:28
correct it but when the messages are crossed like is now a good time for magic
40:30
or mind-dropping conversation like oh i thought we're in trouble this is great
40:34
yes we'd love to see some magic so i i half wonder if that's the customer experience
40:39
that they're getting from.
40:41
Big scary suit man versus josh nabita
40:44
kind of handsome smelling good colors man you
40:47
know what i mean like do you think that your attire has that i'm just
40:50
looking up this is what people see when they see this good looking dude rock
40:55
up in a suit at holy moly turning up to to say hi where is it oh this is the
41:01
best version i can find they're seeing the real life uh hitman show up and they're
41:06
like, oh crap, who is this guy?
41:08
Agent 47. Is it the Agent 47 or Johnny Sins?
41:13
I could be, yeah, I'm an astronaut after this. Johnny Sins comes up a lot,
41:17
especially in my YouTube comments.
41:19
But, you know, I welcome all the banter.
41:22
Yeah, the attire certainly helps for sure. And, you know, and there is a subtle
41:27
difference too if you're in a suit as opposed to a waistcoat.
41:30
A waistcoat, there's a slight air of maybe your, the catering staff.
41:36
For a second and then as opposed to a jacket
41:39
maybe you're the manager of the place or something yeah yeah
41:42
yeah but for sure and you know
41:45
and then if you're wearing that sexy elf hat
41:48
that nick had on at the start you can just people just let you
41:51
do whatever you want yeah but you know i still think it
41:53
applies to the street right doug i mean the way you would dress on street would
41:56
be something almost nice enough to go to a party in and you
41:59
know what i mean like you're not really sort of dressing in thongs and
42:02
shorts and singlet it's interesting you know anything kind
42:05
of works out there but if i had to set a rule it
42:08
would be that you will be paid according to how
42:11
you look so like if you're going to walk the fringe and you know like go shirtless
42:16
or something you better be a riot an amazing performer and so on but for magic
42:21
i think it's nice to dress it up a little bit you know and then when people
42:24
go to tip me at the end they feel like a dollar is not enough you know this
42:28
guy's obviously used to making more than a dollar you know.
42:32
But I do enjoy going out and just wearing whatever I want sometimes.
42:35
If I'm feeling today's a t-shirt day or a vest day and, you know,
42:39
no fancy clothes, no dress shoes, tennis shoes, that works too.
42:42
And I think it is all, again, about being confident and owning your performing character.
42:48
It probably comes back a little bit to that authenticity thing.
42:53
Right. Like, what do you feel most comfortable in yourself?
42:56
Not everyone feels comfortable wearing a suit, even though to Nick and I,
43:00
it's like our Superman cape.
43:01
To other people it might be really feeling
43:04
out of place or strange i remember the first the first
43:07
high-end restaurant i got i i went out and
43:09
bought a tuxedo to perform in because i felt i needed it
43:12
to be better dressed than the clientele and
43:16
talk about just being in a penguin suit where
43:18
it really didn't fit me you know i walked around that thing for about six or
43:21
nine months before i figured out that this is not
43:24
happening you know and then yeah i got myself a
43:27
nice suit and toned it down a little bathroom you know
43:30
it's more me one thing i will say about like clothing
43:33
and so forth is that it doesn't matter what you have it's just more so
43:36
the condition you keep it in because i've seen a lot of folks who
43:40
you know due to their character they're like oh i have to have these colors
43:43
and so forth i have to have this type of thing and it's like it gets to a point
43:47
where a year of performing in that same set of pants that same set of whatever
43:52
else like it looks tired and so it's not always It doesn't have to be a $3,000 suit.
43:59
It can be a $70 jacket. It does not matter. As long as the condition looks good
44:04
and you look sharp, Rigi Dij.
44:07
Rigi Dij, baby. That's got to be.
44:11
That's not what I meant to press, but we'll roll with it. All right.
44:14
We've got one final, final word that I have accumulated today.
44:20
This one really hit hard. It's also the longest final word too.
44:24
And it was from Blaise Sarah when he came on.
44:27
He dropped some knowledge because he had only just won the North American Magic Championships.
44:33
And this is what he had to say about whether someone should consider...
44:39
Additions well thank you guys so much
44:42
for having me i think that one thing
44:44
that just really comes to mind when thinking of a final piece of
44:47
advice for for people coming off of the
44:50
back of this competition is like i was saying earlier
44:53
just how much better of a magician that i am
44:56
now than i was a year ago and how all of the stuff that i'm performing now and
45:01
that i finally am doing in my show at speakeasy every night and will be doing
45:06
in this upcoming residency of vintage green are all things that I just had as
45:11
ideas that I hoped one day I would be able to do.
45:13
They were pipe dream ideas that finally are now possible.
45:16
And it was because of setting that goal and trying to push myself.
45:18
So I would really encourage other people to go out there and compete.
45:21
I think North America is heavily underrepresented in the world magic,
45:27
especially competition scene.
45:28
And I think that magic competition is taken really seriously across Europe and across Asia.
45:32
And I think North America has really, really talented magicians that deserve
45:36
to be seen. And so I'd encourage you out there, even if you never saw yourself
45:41
as a competition performer, I'd encourage you to just try and discover your potential.
45:46
And I think that's what magic is about, is about us discovering our own potential
45:50
and discovering what we're capable of.
45:51
Create magic that makes you proud to perform it that when you perform it you remember yourself.
45:59
Sitting in your bedroom wondering if you
46:01
would ever be able to bring this in front of the stage you remember the first
46:05
time you thought of the idea and it put a smile on your face imagining what
46:09
kind of experience you'd be able to give an audience and when you finally can
46:13
take those ideas and bring them in front of an audience it's more worth it than
46:16
anything the amount of satisfaction the amount of pride you'll have in your performance,
46:20
and how present and engaged you'll be in your performance when you're doing
46:25
something that pushes yourself.
46:27
It's just unlike anything else. So I'd really, really just encourage people,
46:31
try and compete, try and come up with the best magic you can,
46:34
push yourself to try and discover what you're capable of.
46:37
You're going to find that you're so much better at sleight of hand and you're
46:40
capable of way more than you ever imagined if you do.
46:43
So I think just go for it and strive to be original and you guys can do it. I believe in you.
46:49
So thank you again for having me on. I appreciate this.
46:54
Blaze, Sarah, what a beast. discover your potential by pushing yourself.
47:01
You're so much better at sleight of hand than you think you are. So good.
47:07
Well, time to work on my quadruple lifts.
47:11
Do you know what Blaze does? The things this guy does, he practices what he preaches.
47:17
When he explained what he does, I'm like in disbelief. I'm like, this is not a thing.
47:23
And then I tried to push it being like, had you considered being so,
47:28
you know, and he talked about this on the podcast.
47:30
So this is not the methods. This is just, he basically talks about how he can
47:34
take a shuffled deck from anyone and within one or two spreads through the deck,
47:41
it's now a new deck order.
47:43
And that's amongst the many miracles he'll do with a deck of cards.
47:47
And then I just jokingly said, well, have you ever considered being able to
47:52
put it into a memorized order? And he's like, yeah, here's the spreadsheet for how I do that.
47:58
I'm like, whoa, what the, hang on.
48:02
What the actual are you talking about that you can do that? And that's insane.
48:08
That's what happens when you push yourself.
48:11
Yeah. I'm so bad at magic when I watch him.
48:16
Well, that's the thing, right? Like it is about sort of pushing those boundaries and so forth.
48:21
For me, the first person that comes to mind, right, when you think about like
48:27
how good they are at magic and how much they show it, Dave Williamson, right?
48:32
When you look at his performances that have gone on television and so
48:35
forth he does a top change a mercury
48:38
card fold maybe you know and a cover maybe a double lift like
48:42
the stuff he actually performs that's super entertaining is
48:46
is like the tip of the iceberg compared to the plethora of knowledge that he
48:52
has underneath the water and the amount of slides he knows and the ability to
48:56
to do what he does like it's it's really interesting how you have all this knowledge
49:02
but you don't do that and you know in one of his interviews he said that.
49:06
It's some advice from his father where he goes only give
49:09
him 40 like only give him 40 of what you
49:12
can do and and he does like he only
49:14
does like 40 of the amazing slides that
49:17
he kind of knows and that's that's interesting
49:21
man and and i'll be honest like i practice so
49:24
many things like arming and like crazy sleight of
49:27
hand bits but do i do it in my normal performance working material no you know
49:34
yeah it happened to me where i was doing a sandwich effect where like a thought
49:39
of card joker's go in the deck find the card and it occurred to me that i had loaded the wrong card.
49:46
But i remember learning a site where you can change a sandwich card as you flip it over,
49:52
the sand switch and i never performed
49:55
that like in real life only ever for fun at home
49:58
anyway executed this move and
50:01
the audience the the spectators watching freaked
50:05
out just the same as they would if i had gotten it
50:08
right and not had to do that fixer but i'm not doing
50:11
that move every time but god it was fun to know
50:14
that i could do that to fix the situation was pretty awesome and the other thing
50:18
i find really funny too is how many times have you heard or seen comments where
50:24
David Williamson or Darren Brown or David Blaine will do an effect and then people are like,
50:31
well, I can do a double lift. Where's my TV show?
50:34
As if like the thing they're just doing there on the surface level is the reason
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why they're who they are or where they're at. It's so funny.
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Ha ha ha. Yeah, I think it's funny. Anyway. No, that's great.
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Actually, it's just why you said that. I just came up with a method for this
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sandwich effect that you were just talking about.
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I'm like, I wonder if you're doing what I just thought of when you mentioned.
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That's what happens when I was like, I don't know the sandwich. I need the sandwich.
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Right, right. We're going to have to talk about. I can perform it. It's very simple.
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I'm not simple. It's really not simple, but I'll, I mean, I'll do the move for us.
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So. Okay. Yeah. So can you, can you talk it through the listeners as well? So as to what's going on?
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Yeah. Yeah. So I was doing an effect where, how do I normally do?
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So, so what normally what happens is I take out the deck of cards.
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I take out the jokers and I'm like, let's do a warmup.
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You hold onto these and can you, and then can you name a card? Okay.
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Again, for the listeners, you hold onto these two red cards,
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which is going to be the sandwich cards.
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Great. Oh, yes, that's right. So hang on, I'll switch it out for the jokers.
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Okay. So I'm holding two jokers in my hand. i would
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give these two jokers face up to a spectator and
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normally what would happen is i would get them to
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name a playing card like that's in
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the deck once they've named that card while they're
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holding the jokers i would spread out the deck and i
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would have them place the two jokers in
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the deck wherever they wanted they're just kind of plonking the
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two jokers face up together as a pair in
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the deck somewhere and normally what would happen is i would show them it very
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fairly i'm like okay that's about a third of the way down look my fingers are
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just going to square up the deck and i put the whole deck in their hand which
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is just a face down deck with two jokers wherever they placed it and then yeah
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and they're face up jokers are face up for reference.
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100 that's the most important thing to know is the jokers are face up everyone yeah.
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Then, sorry, anyway, anyway, the effect is it's an imagination effect where
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now the audience is holding these, this deck of cards and they imagine that
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their site, that their named card is going to be found by the jokers.
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They're going to sandwich it between them and then go back to where they started.
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And then when they spread out the deck, they see that the two jokers now do
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have a card in between them.
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And at this point, normally they would take that card out and it would be their
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thought of card. Okay. That's normally what happens.
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But what happens on this particular occasion, I had to fix it by doing a fun
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switch was I realized that the deck showed, basically I could see the bottom
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card and I knew, oh, holy crap,
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I've not put the right card in between the jokers.
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So let's say the card they were meant to have was the four of diamonds.
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Okay. And I know that I'm in this situation.
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So what I did was once I showed them this display of there is a card in between,
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I said, what are the chances that this would be your card?
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And then as I turn it over, boom, it is four of diamonds.
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And that's it. Wow.
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Boom. Where do I learn that?
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So that is actually a lloyd barnes effect which um is taught on illusionist called the sand switch.
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It came out many years ago and i don't really see people performing it but for
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some reason i really took a knack to it at the time but never used it for an
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effect yeah but it got me out of that situation so well that i thought well
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hang on why aren't i just making that the effect then where i I just...
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Put two jokers in someone's hand with a card in between it. And then the card
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they named just use that switch to, to, to, to be the effect.
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But anyway, I like it. It's something worth looking into if you need that as
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a method, you know, to change a card in between, but yeah, it just, it saved the situation.
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And now I know, okay, I could probably do that every time that I mess up and
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it would get me out of that spot.
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Doug's about to school us. Actually in my book, i have a top change handling
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of a sandwich pair so if you had the wrong card in between the sandwich,
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you can still do the top change here and if
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you set this card down it applies it's the
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same one so this would be my handling of something that's
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similar so the card gets top change beneath
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the sandwich so it's down here now but
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it's not readily apparent to the viewer you're just
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kind of doing this and setting it down so yeah that's
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really nice too a pincher top change doug con
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handling and then there's also helder
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gamirez has his book
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nick i know you're a gamirez student as well
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his big book that we that i have it's big and big
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red one no it's a big blue book one of
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is later anyway he he
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has a similar idea of of
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a top change but he makes people think the
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two cards he's holding are the jokers and he's any top changes one for the thought
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of card and then he does a mexican turnover of the card you think is the the
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thought of one but it's actually a joker on the table so you still end up in
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a clean situation but there's no heat on your top change because people think.
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You're just holding the two jokers if that makes sense.
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Okay. It's got a really nice tabled thought of card routine as well. Anyway.
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Cool. Yeah, because when you mentioned my brain went somewhere else and I don't
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know if we should be turning this episode into a jam session or not.
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The idea is that you can have.
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Two i don't i don't have joker so i'll just put the two red kings
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and i'll put them here in my breast pocket as you can see full well
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so they can have a card chosen
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so doug just just think of one and you choose a card that right you just don't
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say get in your mind got it got it terrific and then you say the card was the
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queen of hearts the queen of hearts i don't are you sure because if you have
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a look here in between wait that's supposed to be the other way around here we go,
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okay so from here you can take and show that you
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have a kind in between and then if you just do the
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ishka bibble sandwich right so the
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card in between as fair as can be you can now take this and
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give it to the spectator oh yeah that it's
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the queen of hearts so you just
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have any different cards in an ishka bibble sandwich i'm like that's kind
57:08
of a fun fun way to play with that the version
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of the koski switch is what that is ishka bibble sandwich being eric jones routine
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meaning of a few sandwich things but yeah which idea i found the book just for
57:24
reference since we're still talking about this stuff it's this one here secret
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language by helder gemuras.
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Cool in the book i won't show you any of the other instructional
57:34
bits but you can see some photos where he's like explaining some
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of the positioning of like the two cards being
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on the on the ground with a card in between and stuff it's really
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great stuff look how thick this book is by the way this is just wow
57:49
he has an entire section
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on just finesse which is like finessing moves that exist and he's just like
57:57
added little tweaks to make them a little bit little bit better as he would
58:02
say so friends here we are we're an hour in which means it's time to wrap up
58:07
everything now before we do i guess it's just a quick opportunity to say that it's been a year,
58:13
some great moments, some tough ones, but we made it through.
58:17
And we made it through with the support of you guys, our listeners,
58:20
and the guys who hang out in the Discord and jam, the guys who are guests and
58:26
friends from Doug's side of the planet,
58:28
and his LoneSlideAhand.com who come along to listen to the hilarious and fun things we have to say.
58:33
We hope that we bring you a lot of good stuff and a lot of knowledge.
58:38
If you enjoy the interviews, let us know who you want us to interview.
58:41
We'll do what we can to make those things happen if you like the history lessons
58:45
let us know who you'd like to learn on otherwise I'll do it myself and choose
58:49
who I want to learn from but the idea is that we want to give you guys as much value.
58:54
Knowledge and community and support as possible nothing fills our cups more
58:59
than knowing that you guys are,
59:01
enjoying what we do number one and two that you're out there
59:04
spreading your magic showing your love and I
59:07
think that's super cool so if there's stuff that you enjoy let
59:10
us know if it's something that you want also let us
59:13
know and we'll do what we can to keep you guys smiling yeah look
59:16
we you know i always say this we started this as
59:19
a way to just catch up with with two of my magic mates and people just listening
59:25
on the convo but but the community you guys have become just as much of an important
59:30
part of this of this roller coaster because we bounce off you know what you
59:34
want to see and also your speak pipes we love hearing we get to hear from you.
59:38
And even today, Alex Lam put in the chat that he,
59:42
from things he'd heard from us, he actually hit the streets and went and introduced
59:48
himself to restaurant owners and has one which is interested in chatting more in the new year.
59:55
And like being around other magicians, knowing that they're actually doing the
59:59
thing is what helped him realize, okay, it's time for me to do it as well,
1:00:04
you know, and obviously then Scotty P is actually out there doing these charity
1:00:08
gigs and, you know, we're hearing from all of you getting out there and actually doing it.
1:00:13
It's just really amazing to see. And it is also very fulfilling because knowing
1:00:19
that the stuff we're just saying out there into these little microphones is
1:00:24
getting soaked up and is being useful to help you guys out as well.
1:00:29
Doug, you must see this on an even bigger scale because you're actually teaching people.
1:00:34
And I know your Discord is insane compared to the one we run.
1:00:38
There's people chatting about all sorts of different things, different categories.
1:00:42
Is like what's your experience been this year
1:00:45
with teaching the the you know internet of
1:00:48
you know i'm getting to see guys grow up now
1:00:51
and go to work you mentioned like sam osborne out there crushing
1:00:54
it you know over the last you know really year he's come into his own but you
1:00:58
know there's there's half a dozen dozen other stories like that you know jimmy
1:01:03
ferrister pops in here occasionally just jimmy and you know he started from
1:01:07
an amateur last week he had a couple of gigs He was doing a corporate and a kid's party after that.
1:01:12
And, you know, yeah, we're doing good work and making a difference.
1:01:17
And I'm honored that, you know, it's part of my life. How cool is it?
1:01:22
You know, I got a guy in my Discord. He's asking for advice.
1:01:25
Where does he go for the summer?
1:01:26
He's going to go to England and he's going to be on the pitch with Sam Osborne
1:01:30
next June, July before, you know, Edinburgh.
1:01:33
And it's like what what what a
1:01:36
what a thrill it is to watch the future of
1:01:39
magic thrive in this modern you know modern time where i think magic could be
1:01:46
considered to be a little bit on a bit of a tightrope as far as how a young
1:01:52
a young magician can can grow and and good news You can grow great. Go cry.
1:02:01
Yeah. So look, friends, it's been an honor serving your content this year.
1:02:05
We are now completed episode 200.
1:02:09
We're going to take the next two weeks off.
1:02:13
Everyone enjoy your Christmas and your holidays. And you'll see us still on
1:02:19
the internet, but we're going to come back strong in the new year. Start with episode 201.
1:02:24
We're going to get to a thousand before you know it.
1:02:28
We're going to have a lot more maybe plastic surgery and, and what if we all
1:02:32
have full heads of hair by episode a thousand? That'd be hilarious.
1:02:35
I looked into it. It's, it looks painful as hell.
1:02:39
I'm not doing that. I like being bald. Yeah, no thanks.
1:02:44
Same, same. Yes. The ball club. Anyway, you guys have been awesome.
1:02:49
And this has been episode 200. We'll see you next time on the magic guys.
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Thanks for listening it's time for us to disappear now disappear now but we'll
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see you again on the next episode of the magic guys.