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Dr. Jill Biden’s View from the East Wing | Part 1 · Get Real with Jim Weiss

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  Speaker 1: So we got a two-parter, very exciting for us, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I think a first, with Jill Biden. Part one is
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  Speaker 1: her book, View from the East Wing. And I think
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  Speaker 1: she shares a lot of really personal moments with us.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you're going to really have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of great takeaways about an extraordinary woman, an extraordinary life,
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  Speaker 1: and someone who is just really getting started in in
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  Speaker 1: public life with a mission to improve women's health. So
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the coolest parts of this interview,
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  Speaker 1: at least for me personally, was our similar experiences with grief.
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  Speaker 1: She's certainly dealt with it, you know, many more times.
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  Speaker 1: Probably the most poignant part of the book is the
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  Speaker 1: very beginning where she talks about, you know, once you've
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  Speaker 1: lost a child, nothing can hurt you. But I think
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  Speaker 1: you're going to see there's definitely hurt there. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she really feels, you know, quite a bit. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of vulnerability in this one. And I think it's
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  Speaker 1: just great that she came in person because I think
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  Speaker 1: it made it that much better to be one-to-one in
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  Speaker 1: person than over Zoom or in some other way. So
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  Speaker 1: I think this one's going to be, I think, one
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  Speaker 1: of the, you know, probably richest and deepest ones we've done. So, Dr. Biden,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Mill Valley.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: A couple Pennsylvania kids out of California. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to start with your book. It's really an honor to
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  Speaker 1: meet you and speak to you today. And I really
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  Speaker 1: hope this is the beginning of a long-term partnership. I
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  Speaker 1: have a feeling my wife is... Looking over us saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot to be done here, particularly
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  Speaker 1: around women's health, which again, we'll get into. But let's
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  Speaker 1: start with a view from the East Wing. You've looked
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  Speaker 1: out some legendary windows and you've had the chance to
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  Speaker 1: probably meet some incredible people. But I always like to
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  Speaker 1: start at the beginning. As you said, we have a
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  Speaker 1: lot in common. I grew up in a small Pennsylvania town.
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  Speaker 1: You did, Willow Grove. My roots are a big part
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  Speaker 1: of who I am. What did growing up in Willow
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  Speaker 1: Grove teach you?
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  Speaker 2: I had... Truly an idyllic childhood. I have four sisters.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've always said, always, that what I wanted
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  Speaker 2: out of life was a marriage like my parents, which was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, fun and just full of laughter. My grandparents
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  Speaker 2: were from Hamilton, New Jersey, where I was born. Every
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  Speaker 2: weekend of my childhood, we would pile into our station wagon.
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  Speaker 2: No seatbelts, of course, because they didn't even have them then.
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  Speaker 2: And we'd go visit our grandparents.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And we'd see, you know, my mother's mother and father
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  Speaker 2: and my father's mother and father. That was a big
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  Speaker 2: part of my childhood. We went skating every winter at
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  Speaker 2: Washington's Crossing. You know, we'd pile into the station wagon again.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just, it's hard to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've been a teacher for 40 years and I've seen
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  Speaker 2: kids come from all kinds of homes. And I just
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  Speaker 2: have to say, I mean, mine was truly like the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the leave it to beaver, Ozzie and Harriet.
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  Speaker 2: I truly lived that.
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  Speaker 1: And does that make you more optimistic, do you think,
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  Speaker 1: through the hard things?
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  Speaker 2: I think it makes me grounded. Their love was so unconditional.
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  Speaker 2: My mother was like another sister. Like, we told her everything. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, my father was, you know, just the leader
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  Speaker 2: of the family and just.
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  Speaker 1: So you've seen it with kids.
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  Speaker 2: Always tried to please him. So it was great.
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  Speaker 1: So with kids, yeah, I guess you taught kids that
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  Speaker 1: you didn't see that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. Most of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Most of them.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: 40 years of teaching. All kinds of situations. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I taught in high schools. I taught in community colleges.
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  Speaker 2: And I taught in a psychiatric center for five years.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yeah, wow.
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  Speaker 2: And now I'm teaching in a prison. The women's prison
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  Speaker 2: in Delaware.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So why did you write the book?
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  Speaker 2: You know, so many people were writing books when, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Joe left office. And I thought, you know, I really
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  Speaker 2: want to set some things straight. And there are things
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to forget. And so I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: start writing right away to give my version.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because probably the other versions... Skewed? Yeah, like facsimile
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  Speaker 1: of it all. What would you advise a first-time author
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  Speaker 1: like me?
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  Speaker 2: I always tell my students, your first line is really
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  Speaker 2: important to draw in the reader. So if you remember
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  Speaker 2: the first line of my book.
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  Speaker 1: I sure do. I do, and it's amazing. Once you
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  Speaker 1: lose a child, nothing can hurt you. Exactly. I relate,
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  Speaker 1: because once you lose your wife, it feels a lot
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  Speaker 1: the same.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that got me. Still gets me when we talk
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: You have to write what you know best. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I always tell my students. So they wrote a lot
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  Speaker 2: about their lives and experiences. And don't underestimate the ending
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  Speaker 2: because everybody wants to get to the end and they're
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  Speaker 2: tired of their book and they just want to get
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  Speaker 2: it finished or their essay, whatever it is. But I
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  Speaker 2: tell them, if you go to the movies, do you
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  Speaker 2: remember the beginning of the movie or the ending? You
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  Speaker 2: remember the ending. Or the same with a book. Do
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  Speaker 2: you remember the beginning or the ending? You remember the ending.
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  Speaker 2: So the ending is what you're left with. So that feeling,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want that to be for your reader, has
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  Speaker 2: to come across pretty strongly. So don't underestimate that.
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  Speaker 1: Start with the end in mind, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you could do that, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I guess something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, just don't be like, oh, I just have to
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  Speaker 2: finish this.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: Think a lot about it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. If you can write, you can do anything. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and that's what I just told my students at
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  Speaker 2: the women's prison. I said, because we're doing The Color Purple.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, how do you all feel about writing?
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  Speaker 2: Because I can help you be better writers. And they said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we love to write. We talked about character development in
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  Speaker 2: the novel. And then they wrote about the essence of
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  Speaker 2: who they were or who they are. And they were
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  Speaker 2: amazing characters. You know, most of my students in the
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  Speaker 2: prison have college degrees.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah. Did they get them there or did they
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  Speaker 1: have them coming in?
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  Speaker 2: No, they had them coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That's really surprising.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about to teach at Syracuse.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, are you?
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  Speaker 1: I've got my orange shoes on. Well, good. Your son
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  Speaker 1: went there.
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  Speaker 2: Your husband went there.
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  Speaker 1: I think you were just there, right?
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  Speaker 2: Were you dedicating the portrait? Yes, it was Joe's portrait.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And all of his classmates went. And, of course, I
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  Speaker 2: had not met them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man. That must have been fun.
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  Speaker 2: Because that was before me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so I met all his classmates.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about to teach there, so I'll call you for
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  Speaker 1: tips about that, too. Oh, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: And the winters are supposed to be so... Well, you've
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  Speaker 2: been there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've been there. I was there for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: And I go. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: You need a new jacket, an orange jacket.
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  Speaker 1: I do need an orange jacket. Like a puppy one.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get one. Yeah, I'm going to do that. And
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  Speaker 1: then I'll send you... a selfie from there and you
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  Speaker 1: can give me tips about how to teach these kids.
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  Speaker 1: It's my first shot at it.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be happy to.
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  Speaker 1: So in the White House, anyone can be on speed dial.
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  Speaker 1: And I know you've got some pretty famous speed dialing friends,
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  Speaker 1: but you have a core group of friends who were
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  Speaker 1: there long before any of this, which I talk about
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  Speaker 1: being from a small town. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: that's where they're from. How did they keep you grounded
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  Speaker 1: over the years?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. You know, whenever I needed to talk
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  Speaker 2: to somebody, I just totally... trusted them. And I have
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  Speaker 2: four sisters, as you know. Whenever I needed to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just like unload or, you know, whatever, I would call
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  Speaker 2: one of my sisters, one of my friends. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, if you think about, as you read in
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  Speaker 2: my book, when I was fired from NOVA, from where
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  Speaker 2: I taught, it was right before the end of the semester.
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  Speaker 2: It was Christmas you know, two weeks before school let out,
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  Speaker 2: I got a letter. I'd been teaching there now 15 years,
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  Speaker 2: a letter from the president saying, you know, we don't
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  Speaker 2: have the money to continue your teaching contract. That was
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  Speaker 2: truly shocking to me. I mean, and I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: was devastated. And here I had to go home to
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  Speaker 2: the White House and put on my party dress and
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  Speaker 2: put on my smile and go down and probably do
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  Speaker 2: like three parties that night for christmas we always did
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  Speaker 2: like 30 in the month of december because it was
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  Speaker 2: what i loved i mean it's such a teaching.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine firing the first lady that's.
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  Speaker 2: Insane no we didn't tell anybody because i didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to you know make it a sensation it was cruel
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  Speaker 2: and my friends were there for i mean i just
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  Speaker 2: or whenever anything happened probably every day i called them
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  Speaker 2: i mean let's think about with challenges like Can you
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  Speaker 2: believe this happened or that happened? But I called them
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  Speaker 2: for good times, too. I mean, there were some amazing
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  Speaker 2: good times.
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  Speaker 1: But of course, you know, those old friends are the best, right?
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  Speaker 2: They are. And they're still my friends.
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  Speaker 1: Is there one story that stands out where you really
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  Speaker 1: needed someone? I mean, there's enough things that you've gone through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. You think about the administration.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just the times. Like you're saying, COVID. As if,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that was one year when no one came
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  Speaker 2: to the White House. We couldn't thank our supporters. We
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  Speaker 2: couldn't bring people in. I mean, for meetings, it was really,
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  Speaker 2: it was like a ghost town in there. It was
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  Speaker 2: so quiet.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it was so weird.
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  Speaker 2: And everybody was afraid. And then, of course, we got
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  Speaker 2: busy and I traveled the country with Dr. Fauci and
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  Speaker 2: Vivek Murthy to try to get shots in the arms.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So my company worked on the Pfizer vaccine launch.
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  Speaker 1: So we did a lot around vaccine. And we can
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  Speaker 1: talk about this later in our health discussion. How that
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  Speaker 1: kind of saved the world in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 1: Got us out.
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  Speaker 2: Of course it saved the world. Got us back to it.
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  Speaker 1: My gosh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what would have happened? I mean, people don't
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  Speaker 2: want to remember it, and I don't blame them. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to either. But I can remember, like, people
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  Speaker 2: dying and people outside of their hospital rooms, their loved
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  Speaker 2: ones who couldn't go in and say goodbye. Yeah, horrible times.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the nurses and the doctors and the caregivers
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  Speaker 2: and what they went through. It was just a horrible time.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think we needed you guys at that time
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  Speaker 1: and your approach to things, which was pretty empathetic, real. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't really church or anything like that. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: just needed, you know, that. mindset we need it's.
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  Speaker 2: Calm and steady and balanced all.
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  Speaker 1: Right i'm gonna switch gears to much tougher topic and
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  Speaker 1: i'd like to talk about grief you know um i
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  Speaker 1: will say having gone through what i did with my
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  Speaker 1: wife watching what you guys went through and i did
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  Speaker 1: follow because he'd gone to same college i met joe
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  Speaker 1: as i said i think i showed you.
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  Speaker 2: Pictures went to syracuse law.
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  Speaker 1: School yeah so i i You know, and it hits,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're kind of the same age at the time,
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  Speaker 1: and it really hits you, you know, that this family
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  Speaker 1: and all this stuff, what he went through. How has
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  Speaker 1: grief taught you about coping during a crisis? Why is
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  Speaker 1: it so grounding? You know, I find it the same way.
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  Speaker 1: All the stuff goes away.
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  Speaker 2: All the stuff goes away. That's exactly right. When your
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  Speaker 2: child dies, it's... You feel, I think, completely helpless. And like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know about you, like you just,
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  Speaker 2: I just never, ever, ever believed he was going to die.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't. We didn't either. I just had that hope.
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  Speaker 2: And that doctors kept saying, this is going to turn around.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to turn around. No matter how many
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  Speaker 2: things we tried and how hard they were and how
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  Speaker 2: hard they were to see Beau go through them, I
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  Speaker 2: just kept saying to myself, It's okay. It's okay. This
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  Speaker 2: is going to help him to live. But once he died, I,
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  Speaker 2: as the mother, Joe as the father, I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: had to remain strong because remember, it wasn't just me
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  Speaker 2: and Joe. It was Bo's widow, his children, Hunter's children.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we had all these young grandchildren in their
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  Speaker 2: teens and 20s that, you know, we had to help.
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  Speaker 2: get through it. So you had to be strong. You
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a choice. I couldn't fall apart. And my
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  Speaker 2: mother taught me that. My mother was very stoic. I
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  Speaker 2: think in my entire lifetime, I think I only saw
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  Speaker 2: my mother cry once. And I had to be that strength.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm that strength for my sisters,
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  Speaker 2: because now I'm sort of the mother to them you
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  Speaker 2: know because i'm the oldest there's nothing like a child's
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  Speaker 2: death i think too and for us for both i
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  Speaker 2: mean i lost my faith for years and so it
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  Speaker 2: makes you really say to yourself when things arise that
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  Speaker 2: don't matter like really like just don't sweat the.
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  Speaker 1: Small stuff no i feel that i say to people
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  Speaker 1: that lose someone like that because i had someone on
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  Speaker 1: who's just written a book called Don't Call Me Widow.
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  Speaker 1: She lost her husband, leaving her with two twin eight-year-old girls,
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  Speaker 1: seven-year-old girls. And, you know, we're going to put that
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  Speaker 1: on the pod. But the idea, there's something a bit different.
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  Speaker 1: One thing she did talk about, and maybe you had
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  Speaker 1: to help with Bo's family, there's a lot of administration involved.
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  Speaker 1: That you've got to get through. Like houses and cars
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  Speaker 1: and kids and like legal stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of us aren't prepared for it.
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  Speaker 2: Not a lot of us. Most people are not prepared.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I do try to actually talk to my
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  Speaker 2: sisters about that all the time. Or my friends. Like,
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  Speaker 2: do you have a will? Do you know where the
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  Speaker 2: accounts are? I mean, there's so much. People don't want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about death.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: They just don't. And, you know, and my dad... knew
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  Speaker 2: he was going to die and he had everything laid out.
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  Speaker 2: He had the funeral paid for. I mean, he was,
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  Speaker 2: he was a banker. He's, you know, so he was,
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  Speaker 2: had everything lined up. I don't know. Uh, Most people don't.
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  Speaker 2: They can't deal with the concept of death.
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  Speaker 1: When you met the president, right? He was a widower
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  Speaker 1: with two sons. As you say in the book, nothing
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  Speaker 1: about your courtship was typical. Nothing. What were the early
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  Speaker 1: years like?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I think Joe and I probably went
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  Speaker 2: out on two dates alone. But this is it. We
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  Speaker 2: went on our first date, maybe even our second. But
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  Speaker 2: I was at Joe's house all the time. We had
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  Speaker 2: every meal together with the boys, we would go out
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  Speaker 2: on dates with the kids. We would take them to
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  Speaker 2: the movies, to the beach. I mean, we were like
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  Speaker 2: a dating family. And when we got married, the boys,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just so natural. They just came
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  Speaker 2: right up on the altar. And when the priest said,
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  Speaker 2: who gives this woman? And the boy said, we do,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like they were, it was just like, so natural.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I ever heard that.
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  Speaker 2: And, um, It's odd to, for people to explain, but.
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  Speaker 1: It's a family courtship.
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  Speaker 2: It was a family courtship. I always say I fell
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  Speaker 2: in love with the boys before I think I fell
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  Speaker 2: in love with Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they were so young and sweet and loving.
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  Speaker 1: And you didn't have a kid yet.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: No, no. So then you had a kid subsequently. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's great. So you made more of a family.
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  Speaker 2: So I quit teaching right away when we got married and, um.
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  Speaker 2: I became their mother. I mean, I went into their
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  Speaker 2: school and did, you know, volunteered at the library, went
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  Speaker 2: to every game. I did hot dog day. I did
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  Speaker 2: everything that a mother would do. I feel emotional when
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  Speaker 2: I think the kids used, I would work in the
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  Speaker 2: library and they'd say, come on, come on, come on in.
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  Speaker 2: They'd bring all their friends. Look, my mom's here today.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they were so proud. You know, they just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to be a family. They wanted to be like
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: all the other kids. And, um, And it just worked.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: And I was so, and I'm so close to them.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: And that's, you know, I never thought I'd want my
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: own child. I felt like everything was so complete. But then,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know, something inside me said I would like
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: a child. And then I wanted another child. But I
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: was campaigning too much. I was always campaigning for one
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: thing or the other, I think.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Well, they were your kids.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were my kids.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: So it's like you had three kids, right?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I had three kids. We never, ever said step in
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: our family.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard that. I've always thought of them
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: as your kids. Yeah.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: The beautiful thing, Bo looked like me with the blonde hair.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: So everybody said, oh, you look just like your mother.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: And we were doing an interview and it was for
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: People Magazine when we first got married. I think the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: interviewer said something about, well, your stepchildren. And Bo said,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: we never say step in our family. And like, that's
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: how cool they were.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: You know, and we always kept Nelia alive in our marriage.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: We always talked about her. You know, we had connections with,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, the kids would go up to her parents
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: and visit. And then they moved to Florida and we'd
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: send the kids down to see them there. And so
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: we kept that memory alive. I mean, I think that
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: was important, too, that she was part of our family.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: And Joe always said, you know, Mommy sent Jill to us.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: And the kids believed that.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe in all that. So... Let's go in.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about diagnosis, and that was a big
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: part of my wife's journey. It took a long time
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to diagnose her cancer. And I know people on your
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: team work at Exact Sciences or did work at Exact Sciences,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: so that's all about early detection, especially around colon cancer,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: which we all talk about a lot here. If you
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: identify colon cancer early, it's the most curable cancer. Yeah.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And breast cancers as well.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: So you know that too, although there's, you know, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I'm working with a few companies and startups, but the
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: president got some flack or the team did because it
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: was stage four, you know, by the time it was diagnosed.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: And how could the president, you know, we all know
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: when his appointments are at Walter Reed. How can we
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: miss it? But everyone does get hit by the bouncing ball,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: which you've seen with Bo and others in the family.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I know I had access to everything. What do you say,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you know, when people ask why was this delayed?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: No one was more shocked than we were. I mean,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: when we got out of office and Joe was having
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: problems and I said, you're going to a urologist.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Was he resistant?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: No, but you know how you keep putting things off,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: putting things off.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: And so finally I said, you're going. And so I
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: think I made the appointment actually. And we went. Never.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Thinking it was going to be cancer. My God. And
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: we go in there for the first exam and the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: doctor said, I feel something. We need to do more tests.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And we found out like what the next day or...
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: shortly thereafter. And we just never, ever expected stage four cancer.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, then we had to go get
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the scans and stuff. And they said it has metastasized
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: to the bones. And that was the real blow. Because
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: for men who are listening, if you have prostate cancer,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: there's so many things that you can do. Operations, drugs, immunotherapy.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of things.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I launched the first one. It was called Provenge. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: don't know if you got it. Probably not at that stage.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Doesn't sound familiar. But, you know, you can be cured
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: of prostate cancer.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: But when it metastasizes, that's.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: The bad part. And I don't think people understand that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: You know, I think you hear a lot about this
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: thing called watchful waiting. You know, there's a process in
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: prostate cancer where you kind of, you know, you watch
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the PSA.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: PSA, yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And other markers because we now have more sophisticated markers.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of good new drugs out there
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: that were not available, you know, even 10 years ago.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that have changed that prognosis. So how's he doing now?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's living with it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: You know, and I do write about this, you know,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the people, the woman that came up to us on
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the beach and was like, you know, why, how did
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: this happen? But anyway, how's he doing now? So he,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: it's what, a year and a half later. I would
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: say he's doing okay. I would not say he's doing great.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I would not even say he's doing good. He does
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: have pain and the drugs have made him very, very tired.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I think the best way to put it is today
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: is probably going to be Joe's best day going forward.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow will be his best day going forward. He'll never
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: be cancer-free, ever. And He has to live with it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: How are you doing?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you. You know what? I appreciate that.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Because no one ever asked me. Yeah. Not that much.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And can I just say, I mean, I know we're
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: going to talk about this, but the caregiver role is
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: so underestimated.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: It's the thing people tune into this podcast to talk
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: about most. They love this conversation.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I can do.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It's overlooked.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And it is so underestimated. freaking hard every day i
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: know there's a lot.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Of people out there who go through this or going
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: through it right now you know a lot yeah and
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and it's i think people have look if you don't
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: go through it how could you relate to it yeah
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: you can't and your friends can be there and they
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: are there.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: For you and mine happened yeah and.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: My sister all the different people who's had her own
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: breast cancer i caught my cancer early i had colon
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: cancer and i caught it early So I think, you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about, caregiving, what do you think's the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: hardest thing? What do you think's the thing people don't
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: understand the most about it?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: How constant. I mean, I wake up every day. I
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: bet I'm on the phone by 7 o'clock with a doctor,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: at least one every day. Every day.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: It's on your mind every minute, right?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Every minute.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: This isn't your first round.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, it's... The diet and then the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: exercise and did he take his pills? I'm doing all
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the pill packs. How's his mood? It's just so constant.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: So I have a whole layer of life that stays
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: so constant. It's, you know, how are you feeling every day?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I call home a couple times a day.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: You know, how are you feeling? Did you try this?
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Did you try that? I mean, and just everything is...
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Everything changes.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Everything.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And he's not a good patient.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: He's not a good patient. You know, something about that
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: is not surprising to me.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that Irish stubbornness, not good.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I assume the whole family knows what's going on, but
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: you're the one that has to go deal. Right? No
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: one's doing it for you.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: No, that's right.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And it's a lot. So I just ask, how are you?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And I appreciate that. I'm doing great.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: You look great.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: So does that, I mean, maybe that's a sign, but
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: it sounds like your mom, you said your mom was stoic.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Does some of what you grew up with help you
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: get through this?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. But I'll tell you what helps me the most
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: is getting on that cycle.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: In the dark.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Exercise.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: And if I want to cry, I cry. Yeah. If
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I want to pray, I pray. Nobody sees me.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's dark.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: It's dark. I can just say, thank you, God, for
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: giving me my health and help give me the strength
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to help Joe get through this.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about teaching because I bet that helps too, right?
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love teaching.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Outside of Washington, teaching is probably the biggest part of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: your identity.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I hope so. I love teachers.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: What has that role given you and why was continuing
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to teach so important to you?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I had to. You know, I had to have my
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: own identity. I mean, I'm not a political person. And
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I say that to people and they don't believe me
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: because I've been married to a politician for like 50
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: years next year. But I'm not. I mean, I've always
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: taught 40 years in the classroom. When Joe became vice president,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to teach. And they said, you
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: can't possibly do that. And I said, yes, I can. And,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: you know, I started teaching full time. took a salary
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: because people said, oh, you can't take a salary. And
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I thought, then what does that say to other teachers?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Like what you're doing is worth nothing. Like, no, I'm
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: not saying that. And then when Joe was elected president,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: his staff mainly said, you can't possibly teach and do,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: you know, both. And I said, I'm going to watch
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: me and we got to figure this out. And so
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: we did. And then they were like, oh, yeah, you
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: can do that. And so I taught two days at Nova.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I loved it. You know, I had my little lunchbox
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I left in the morning, 7.20. I taught till 3 o'clock.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I love my students.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: How old were the kids?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Well, community college. So they're 18. My oldest student ever
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: at Nova was 83. Can you believe that?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can. Yeah. Yeah. Never stop learning, right?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: So I started the women's retention group to keep women
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: in school because they had math anxiety. They didn't know tech.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: But we would help them with life's problems. And I
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: would take these women and help them through life. Like,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: what if they didn't have food? What if they had
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: a flat tire? They had a problem with another professor.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: You help them through life's problems. That's more than ever
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: like how do you develop a paragraph or You know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: how do you do a citation? Whatever. I just love it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: It's just, I love my students. I feel like they
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: trust me. I don't know why. I mean, I think-
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: They do. I feel so good about that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you're super grounded by that, but
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you're living a pretty epic life, right? Do any iconic
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: conversations with singers or actors- Or world leaders come to
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: mind when you think of all the interactions you've had?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Well, you've read in my book, My Crush on Bono.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I just love him. One birthday, I went
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to the Sphere. Have you been there?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, sure.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I had tickets to go and.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Bono, you too. Right, because they were kind of the
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: first folks. My wife and I saw them there.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, you did. So then you know how fabulous the
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: show is. So beforehand, I mean, I had met Bono
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: several times. He was at the White House and.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Joe had a relationship. As one does. Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And I know it sounds funny now, but before he
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: goes on stage, his whole team, they get in a
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: circle and they pray. They pray before they go on stage.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: And they said, do you want to be part of
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: our prayer circle?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And I said, yes.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: And so I was part of the prayer circle. I
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: went and watched the show. And then he dedicated the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: last song to me. It was so beautiful. Honestly, it
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, one of those days of your
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: life that like, you know, if you had the top
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: three or five or whatever. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: was so amazing. And just being at the Sphere, I mean,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: my God.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So you talk about poems in the books. Which poems
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: shape your views?
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Well, my first book, Where the Light Enters, I mean,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: that was from Rumi, Mary Oliver, and I mean, I
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: love so many of the poets from, like, even, like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the Emily Dickinson to the Charles Bukowski from the, like,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: not so dark to the very dark.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I assume, you know, Maya Angelou too.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a, I mean, that's a blessing, right?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: All the people I met from being in office, you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: second lady, eight years and then first lady. I mean, just.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: You had a long run.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: And I put, as you mentioned, I mean, I put
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of poetry in my book. Right. Because you
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: know why? I use a lot of poetry. I talk to,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I write, I'm a writer. As I said, I write
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of notes to people. I think they make
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a difference if someone gets a note from you. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of people come to me, as I'm sure
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: they do you, like, how do I get through this grief?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of people. I'm not like saying,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: you know, three a year. I'm saying like a lot.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: And to write them notes and to write them a
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: line of poetry, if that can bring a smile to
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: their face, or take a piece of their pain away.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I think poetry is such a beautiful way to do that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just showing others that there are some
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: ways to get through this. Music, for me, was the thing.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I work on a program with someone else, you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Renee Fleming, and I think you met Mickey Hart at
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the induction. And I work with them on a program
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: called Music is Medicine. I'm always plugging. I've got some
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: rapid fire questions for you. Ready? Because you soul cycle.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So you're ready. What's something people get wrong about grief?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: That it has an ending. It never ends.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: What's something people get wrong about Joe Biden?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: You know, I think people get. his motives wrong. I mean,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: especially why he ran the first time. I mean, Joe
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: was in public life. Joe gave his life to public
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: service for over 50 years. And he went in to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: help people and he went, he entered politics because of
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: civil rights. And then when he was asked to run,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: you know, again in 2023, so many people were like,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you got to run again. You got to run again.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: We just won the midterms. You know, you got to
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: give it a go. And he listened because he really
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: didn't know whether to run because he was older. And
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: then when he got out, which was so painful, but
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: he listened to the people. And he didn't do it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: He didn't stay in for the power. And once he
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: realized the party's not behind me, I have to give someone,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I have to, you know, give, I mean, it was Kamala,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a chance. I think that people got that wrong.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Got that. It's all about the people. He's all about
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the people. I get it. People are my drug and
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I know that's his drug. I relate to him that way.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: That is his drug.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: You know, and I get it a hundred percent. And
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I've never thought for one second that that wasn't the reason.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: What's something people get wrong about Jill Biden? Dr. Jill. Oh.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: What do they get wrong about you?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: They might get that same thing wrong that I was
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: there for the power and I mean, they don't realize.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm an educator. That is my life. That's
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: what I love. But I was given a platform.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: That's key, right?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: And when I saw what I could do, when I
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: saw that I could go into the lands of Native
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Americans and bring a chemotherapy office there so they didn't
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: have to travel four hours either way, when I saw
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: that I could do patient navigation there, In hospitals and
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: how important that was that people had patient navigators that
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: were paid for. When I saw what I could do
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: with the women's health platform. When I saw what I
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: could do for military families because we were a military
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: family and the changes I could make. I mean, that
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: is what fueled my thought.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I think you've got the platform and you're going
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to do it. And now you may do it bigger
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: with more freedom. There's no political problem. No, no, no.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Now you're just doing it for those things. What's something
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that would surprise people about life in the White House?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. You know, it's so funny, but you
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: have no privacy. One has no privacy. I mean, none.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So my code name was Capri and, you know, Italian,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a good Italian girl. And Joe was a Celtic Irish boy.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: So every movement, everywhere you went, it was like Capri
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: on the elevator. Capri on the first floor. Capri moving
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to cars. I mean, you had no privacy at all.
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  Speaker 1: At all.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And there were people in that house constantly. People bringing
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  Speaker 2: in firewood. People cleaning the rooms. People making the meals.
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  Speaker 2: People bringing down your clothes. People just... Dropping off briefings.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was like never, ever walk into that
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  Speaker 2: kitchen without your bathrobe on.
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  Speaker 1: If there was a soundtrack to your life, I always
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: ask this, what would it be?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I do love Rod Stewart.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I don't think we've ever heard that one. Really?
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  Speaker 1: And we've heard a lot. That's great.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's so romantic. And Joe, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I love to dance with Joe to, you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: if he came home from the Senate and I put
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that on and he'd walk in the kitchen and You know, maybe.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: We'd... Dancing's fun, yeah. It is fun.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Put on the candles, dance. There's nothing like it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Nothing like it. Music heals all. Well, listen, thanks for
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