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  Speaker 1: and this is Political Capital Daily. Well, good morning. Politics
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  Speaker 1: never rests, and neither do we on a Saturday morning.
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  Speaker 1: Political Capital Daily Saturday Extra during this election campaign with
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  Speaker 1: the one and the only early riser himself, Jeff Verrier,
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  Speaker 1: is here. Jeff, thanks for getting up early on a
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  Speaker 1: Saturday morning. Truth be told, you didn't even sleep last night.
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  Speaker 1: That's how wild your night probably was.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't slept in 12 days. This exciting election campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Can't miss a second.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, the best campaign strategies come from sleep deprivation, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: or the worst, but it's thin line these days in politics.
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  Speaker 1: The best and worst depends on, it depends on the day.
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  Speaker 1: I don't actually, to be totally honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, if you're working, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to say, if you're someone who's working on a campaign,
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  Speaker 2: try and get some sleep, drink some orange juice, go
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  Speaker 2: for a walk. This is, these are trying difficult times
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  Speaker 2: and take care of yourself.
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  Speaker 1: That's good advice from your Uncle Jeff. Take care of yourself, kids.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do drugs. Stay in school. I am looking at
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  Speaker 1: my email box here, and I don't see any events
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  Speaker 1: this morning. So I could be missing it, but right
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  Speaker 1: now we don't have any campaign events. It is the
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  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving long weekend. I kind of assumed they'd go through
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday. I'm sure there's something coming up, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: not Sunday, maybe not Monday. Who knows? It's an important
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  Speaker 1: long weekend as we head into the debate week. the
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  Speaker 1: TV debate on Wednesday, but also people don't like being
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  Speaker 1: harassed on Thanksgiving by politicians on their doorstep.
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  Speaker 2: Except that Thanksgiving, these long weekends are, when they happen
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  Speaker 2: during campaign, whether it's Christmas time or Thanksgiving, often this
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  Speaker 2: is where you'll see the vote break because you'll have
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  Speaker 2: family and friends get together, talk about what's happening in
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  Speaker 2: the election and come to a consensus over you know,
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  Speaker 2: who they think should form the next government. And so
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  Speaker 2: you'll often see after these weekends where you think nothing's happening,
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  Speaker 2: numbers move or numbers, yeah, numbers move. So we'll see
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  Speaker 2: what happens. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The latest numbers that we've got from Liaison, I believe, Liaison?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Liaison.
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  Speaker 3: Liaison.
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  Speaker 1: Strategies, this was on Friday, the Conservatives at 43%, the
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  Speaker 1: NDP at 37%, the Greens at 10%, 1BC at 4%,
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  Speaker 1: Other at 4%, and Centre BC at 3%. That's from
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  Speaker 1: October the 7th to the 8th, 1,000 people, IVR, plus
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  Speaker 1: or minus 3.1 percentage points. So that has the Conservatives
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  Speaker 1: up slightly and the NDP down slightly in a spread there. Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: there's some other polls that are out. all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: I check the aggregate polling firm that, Polywave, that kind
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  Speaker 1: of puts it all into perspective, and we're at 43% Conservative, 39.9% NDP,
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  Speaker 1: 10% Green. So that's still tight. That's still a very
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  Speaker 1: close race, although the Conservatives have been ahead pretty consistently,
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  Speaker 1: but they're not ahead by a lot as we reach
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  Speaker 1: this more than halfway point in the campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You got to watch the map though, right? In
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  Speaker 2: the last campaign, it wasn't just Gary Begg winning by
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  Speaker 2: 22 votes that thrust the NDP into a majority government.
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  Speaker 2: There's all sorts of writings where Brennan Day was 98 votes,
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  Speaker 2: I think he won by. There's all kinds of NDP
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  Speaker 2: folks who won by dozens to just a few hundred
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  Speaker 2: vote differential and a few the other way too. So
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  Speaker 2: You can look at the horse race numbers at a
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  Speaker 2: high level and say, well, it's still pretty close. But
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  Speaker 2: if you have that kind of spread and you only
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  Speaker 2: need a few hundred votes and a few seats, that
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  Speaker 2: can shift the balance and put a party in government
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  Speaker 2: pretty easily.
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  Speaker 1: I thought we'd play for folks here. what was a
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  Speaker 1: new ad that the BC Conservatives launched for television on Friday.
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  Speaker 1: You may have seen it on your cable television news,
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  Speaker 1: which I assume all of you are listening to. If
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  Speaker 1: you don't, go get cable, people. It's still good. We
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  Speaker 1: like cable on this show. But it was also online,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to play the conservative version first, and
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  Speaker 1: then I'm going to play the NDP version, because the
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  Speaker 1: NDP very quickly took the main line from this conservative
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  Speaker 1: ad and flipped it around and hit a counter ad out,
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  Speaker 1: which was actually quite effective. So we'll just play both
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  Speaker 1: of these for you now.
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  Speaker 3: People say, where did Lauren Dirksen come from? Truth is
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  Speaker 3: I've been.
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  Speaker 2: Here the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: David Eby called this election because he saw an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: for himself. But I see an opportunity for you. After
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  Speaker 3: nine years of the NDP, families are paying more and
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  Speaker 3: getting less. I will get our economy moving, create good jobs,
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  Speaker 3: and get our costs down. These are serious times. I'm
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  Speaker 3: ready to deliver real change to get BC back on track.
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  Speaker 1: And then we have the NDP counter.
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  Speaker 3: People say, where did Lauren Dirksen come from? I've been
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  Speaker 3: here the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: Faith, family, and freedom. The so-called vaccine.
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  Speaker 2: We should not be expecting our kids to eat bugs.
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  Speaker 2: It's for sure grooming.
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  Speaker 1: The experimental COVID-19 vaccines are leaky vaccines.
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  Speaker 3: There's a person in our party who's Indigenous. My truth.
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  Speaker 2: Your truth. Oh, my truth.
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  Speaker 3: I've been here the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting, Jeff. The first one was
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  Speaker 1: an effective kind of, hey, Lauren Dirksen, you look serious.
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  Speaker 1: And then... The NDP were able to say, yeah, you've
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  Speaker 1: been here the whole time. A whole bunch of crazy
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  Speaker 1: was happening in the party with colleagues. Full on crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So what did you think of that back and forth?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I had no idea that's how Anna
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  Speaker 2: Kendi actually sounds.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 2: Holy Yakimo, I believe, is what you would say.
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  Speaker 1: I would. I would say that. I would also say
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  Speaker 1: sweet mother of pearl. But holy Yakimo is very well put.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that you can tell from the ads
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  Speaker 2: what the strategies of the campaign are. You look at
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  Speaker 2: the conservative one, and folks in the conservative bubble have
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  Speaker 2: been fawning over it on social media. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's because it is kind of a dull ad, right?
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  Speaker 2: And you've got this dull orange saying dull, commonsensical truisms.
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  Speaker 2: But that's exactly what they need to do. The knock
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  Speaker 2: on them, what they're fighting against is should this ragtag bunch,
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  Speaker 2: have they got their act together and are they ready
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  Speaker 2: to govern? So dull Lorne is right. It's what they
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  Speaker 2: ought to be doing. And the NDPs, look, they're not
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  Speaker 2: running against Lorne Dirksen. I think that's what this ad
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  Speaker 2: makes clear. They're running against the worst of the conservative party.
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  Speaker 2: So they took what I think was a kind of,
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  Speaker 2: folks thought it was clever, but it was also kind of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you can kind of tell when you're in
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  Speaker 2: a debate and someone lands a line that you're just like,
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  Speaker 2: I can riff off of that.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Kids eating bugs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I forgot that. That was amazing. But you see
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  Speaker 2: what they're, they're trying to like focus on the, what
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  Speaker 2: they would call the extreme or radical parts of the
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  Speaker 2: conservative party, draw attention to those and try and, dampen down, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the support amongst voters who are, you know, on the
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  Speaker 2: fence and it would say, well, maybe these guys, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't like the NDP, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: think these guys, these other guys need to spend some
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  Speaker 2: time in opposition before they're ready to govern. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it'll be a part of the, uh, television debate strategy,
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  Speaker 1: that same sort of thing. I think, um, the dull
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  Speaker 1: Lorne is going to need to show up and the
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  Speaker 1: NDP leader is going to try and paint him as
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  Speaker 1: so dull that he's allowed, you know, the mold of
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  Speaker 1: crazy to spring up around him in his party. And
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  Speaker 1: he's just kind of the apparatus at the front of
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  Speaker 1: the court of jesters. So that matchup we'll talk more
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  Speaker 1: about as we get a little bit closer to the
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  Speaker 1: TV debate. Let's take a quick break and then we
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  Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, we had some announcements on Friday just
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  Speaker 1: kind of worth going through here. The New Democrats were
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  Speaker 1: up talking about health care and David Eby talking about
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  Speaker 1: incentivizing doctors to do same-day appointments, evening appointments, weekend appointments.
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  Speaker 1: I assume incentives are money in terms of billing. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't get into specifics on that. Talked about 20 new
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  Speaker 1: team-based primary care clinics across the province, including health. UPCCs,
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  Speaker 1: the urgent primary care centers, and a fast track plan
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  Speaker 1: to get international graduates accelerated into bridging to practice, which
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  Speaker 1: I was a little surprised about. I assumed we had
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  Speaker 1: done everything humanly possible at this point to get internationally
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  Speaker 1: trained doctors into the field, but apparently not because there's
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  Speaker 1: now an accelerated bridging to practice program. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why we didn't have this earlier, but that is now
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  Speaker 1: in place according to the NDP. So the NDP focusing
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  Speaker 1: on healthcare and the conservatives talking about seniors care, talking
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  Speaker 1: about building long-term care homes, including the ones that the
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  Speaker 1: NDP had delayed, the free shingles vaccine, which the NDP
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  Speaker 1: had already announced, support for at-home care, support for handy dart,
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  Speaker 1: reversing the property tax deferment program change in the budget
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  Speaker 1: that took the ability for seniors to defer their property
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  Speaker 1: tax at a rate of a prime minus 2% and
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  Speaker 1: turned it into prime plus 2%. And then also, I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was kind of interesting saying that they will
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  Speaker 1: provide public funding for 7,200 people on the wait lists
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  Speaker 1: right now, but not necessarily public spaces, public funding for
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  Speaker 1: qualified providers. Many, many, many, many of the seniors care
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  Speaker 1: spots in the province are private, funded using public money
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  Speaker 1: per bed. So the conservatives careful in their language on that.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of healthcare, First kind of senior stuff we've
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  Speaker 1: seen a little bit other than the NDP's bizarre press
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  Speaker 1: conference in a curling club announcing the free shingles vaccine,
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  Speaker 1: which I still don't get, but healthcare kind of a
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  Speaker 1: big focus of the NDP recently and the conservatives jumping
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  Speaker 1: on it as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, seniors vote.
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  Speaker 1: Damn right they do. Not like those young kids never
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  Speaker 1: get around to voting out skateboarding all the time and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on their bikes whipping around the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all those young folks in the 18 to 34
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  Speaker 2: demographic who are tired of the boomers getting everything, get
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  Speaker 2: out and vote.
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  Speaker 1: You can take over if they voted in the correct numbers.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't too busy skateboarding.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the NDP health care is geared at, I think,
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  Speaker 2: a combination of seniors. It's targeted at left flank of
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  Speaker 2: the party. And it's targeted at Greens. Greens, if you've
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  Speaker 2: followed them, they keep talking about community health centers. It
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  Speaker 2: was in their CARGA deal with the NDP that they
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  Speaker 2: were going to advance community health centers. And urgent primary
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  Speaker 2: care centers aren't the same as community health centers, but
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  Speaker 2: they sure sound the same as that. And so if
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  Speaker 2: you're a Green voter and you're looking at conservatives on
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  Speaker 2: the way to forming a government and the NDP has
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  Speaker 2: got something in their platform on healthcare. That's pretty similar
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  Speaker 2: to something that you care about. Maybe the NDP thinks
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  Speaker 2: you can get those folks to switch their votes. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That is a theme. Uh, sometimes in the NDP, just
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  Speaker 1: flirting with the language of the greens, as Emily Lohan
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  Speaker 1: put it the other day, stealing the language of the left, uh,
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  Speaker 1: on the sort of class battle. I'll be interested to
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  Speaker 1: see the other healthcare promise the greens had in Carga.
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  Speaker 1: It never got off the ground was coverage for councilors, uh,
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  Speaker 1: under MSP that kind of mental health coverage within the
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  Speaker 1: publicly paid system there was a whole bunch of logistical
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  Speaker 1: problems identified like counselors aren't certified in a common way
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  Speaker 1: and how would you do it but I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: the NDP circle back on something like that too and
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  Speaker 1: pick up some of the green ideas and repurpose them
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  Speaker 1: as their own I don't know but it feels like
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  Speaker 1: it's not the last we've heard of health care and
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  Speaker 1: health care promises on this campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no I think you're right and I think the
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  Speaker 2: greens have a point mental health care is healthcare and, uh, um,
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  Speaker 2: and day and age when it's, when folks are struggling
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  Speaker 2: with that, uh, in all sorts of ways, uh, it's
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  Speaker 2: a good preventative way to, to keep people healthy and
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  Speaker 2: out of difficult spots in their lives. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: greens are onto something there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's just the logistics of figuring it out and probably
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  Speaker 1: the cost as well, but, uh, nobody has figured out
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  Speaker 1: what their, costs are because we haven't seen the costed platform.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, do you have any thought, like Jeff, any
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  Speaker 1: guess on when you think we might see costed platforms?
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  Speaker 1: We have big days coming up with the Wednesday TV
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  Speaker 1: leaders debate. We have advanced voting starting next Friday. I
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  Speaker 1: think the 16th, um, do we see platforms before either
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  Speaker 1: of those two dates?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think, or, um, you may see platforms. I'd
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  Speaker 2: be shocked if they were costed. Um, the conservative one, um,
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  Speaker 2: is uh promising and i'll go it's it's you know
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  Speaker 2: how you pay for it is something that i think
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  Speaker 2: both parties will struggle with i think particularly the conservatives
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  Speaker 2: because they're promising a three to four billion dollar uh
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  Speaker 2: tax cut which would boost the deficit to 17 billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars and they've got you know other tax cuts that
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  Speaker 2: they've they promised uh as well and they're saying they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna fund that through growth which is Hard to show
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  Speaker 2: in a fully costed, credible platform costing. Yeah. So they
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  Speaker 2: don't want to give up their message on growth as
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  Speaker 2: the source of all revenue for everything. And I just
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  Speaker 2: don't think the NDP want to talk about deficits and debt.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. No one really wants to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it at this point. Maybe they'll both just agree
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  Speaker 1: to just not talk about each other's gigantic.
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  Speaker 2: No one said when they're going to balance the budget, right?
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  Speaker 2: No one- has answered that question.
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  Speaker 1: I believe Center BC said over two terms? The Greens
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  Speaker 1: could balance the budget instantly with their first year wealth
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  Speaker 1: tax that would generate $ 22 billion, which is the only
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  Speaker 1: balance thing that I've seen from any party. Just tax
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  Speaker 1: the heck, tax the absolute bejesus out of wealth on
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  Speaker 1: year one and flood the zone with money. Make it
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  Speaker 1: rain cash and you balance.
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  Speaker 2: So what you're saying is you're calling a center BC,
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  Speaker 2: BC green coalition government.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. BC greens, uh, the center BC and the
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  Speaker 1: marijuana sex party all get together and, uh, form a
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  Speaker 1: coalition government that governs.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Weaver is going to be in cabinet. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to govern for 15, 20 years, a dynasty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's going to be amazing.
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  Speaker 1: The center green weed party is going to, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be, I couldn't combine those names in any way.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the most PG version of it. So, uh, Yeah, okay. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting times. It feels like this election's gone on forever,
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  Speaker 1: and yet also being at past the halfway point, I
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  Speaker 1: stop and think, man, we haven't really accomplished a lot
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  Speaker 1: in this election campaign. And we got the municipal one.
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks from today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, two weeks from, one week from today is, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's one week from today is the local government ones,
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  Speaker 2: and two weeks from today is the provincial one. So
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  Speaker 2: it's sneaking up on us. My God. Yeah. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, you'll be there each and every day
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  Speaker 1: along the way. Jeff, thanks for getting up and doing
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  Speaker 1: the show so early in the morning. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: No problem. I'm going back to bed.
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