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Jonathan is Dead Inside. Can Ariel Top That? · Large Nerdron Collider

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the large and new Drunk Colletter podcast,
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  Speaker 1: the podcast that's all about geeky things happening in the
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  Speaker 1: world around us and how very excited we are about them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a real tastic and with me as always is
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  Speaker 1: the super nifty Jonathan. Strictly, it's the most wonderful time
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  Speaker 1: of the year. Jingle jangle, jingle jangle jangle. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: what That's what I sound like when you shake me,
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  Speaker 1: because all I got is change in my pockets. It
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  Speaker 1: is one I don't believe that's true and too uh
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  Speaker 1: like uh, it is the most wonderful time of the year.
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  Speaker 1: We are for a lot of people. We are solidly
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  Speaker 1: into the holiday season. Yes, and uh at least one
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  Speaker 1: of our stories relates to that, but most of them are. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot of creepy stuff in this one.
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  Speaker 1: And then we got like our big big to pick
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  Speaker 1: a conversation because believe us, we are gonna dive into
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  Speaker 1: some of the bombshell news that came out about d C.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into any of that, we have
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  Speaker 1: a few shorter stories that perhaps do not merit a
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  Speaker 1: full discussion, So we have decided to put that in
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  Speaker 1: a segment that we're calling thirty seconds or less. It's
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  Speaker 1: a brand new segment that we've done like three or
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  Speaker 1: four times, and we often fail like keeping it thirty
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  Speaker 1: seconds or less. So let's let's see how we do today. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm already telling you this first one we're probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: go over because well, I mean, we'll see all right.
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  Speaker 1: As always, I'm gonna put music behind this in the
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  Speaker 1: music last thirty seconds, whether the story does or not.
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  Speaker 1: So I will start with the first one, and here
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  Speaker 1: I go. Okay, we got ourselves a trailer for the
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  Speaker 1: movie Teen Wolf, and I'm not talking about the movie
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  Speaker 1: from the nineteen eighties with Michael J. Fox. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about a movie version of the TV series and it
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  Speaker 1: looks super dramatic and I have no idea what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty much all I have to say about that.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna stop the timer now, but we
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  Speaker 1: can chat for just a second. So Ariel, we chatted offline,
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  Speaker 1: well really online but not on microphone, about how neither
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  Speaker 1: of us watched the Teen Wolf series. Right? Have you
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  Speaker 1: seen the movie, the original movie? Yes, I've seen the
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  Speaker 1: original movie. I was hoping that this one would be
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  Speaker 1: a standalone like the original one, because I enjoyed Teen
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  Speaker 1: Wolf with Michael J. Fox. Yeah, but watching this trailer,
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  Speaker 1: it became very clear very early on that if you
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  Speaker 1: do not if you have not watched the series, none
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  Speaker 1: of this is gonna mean anything to you. Like, this
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  Speaker 1: is not one of those films where they try to
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  Speaker 1: make something that can appeal both to the fan base
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  Speaker 1: and to newcomers. Because I watched this trailer and at
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  Speaker 1: the end of it, I was like, I have no
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  Speaker 1: idea what's going on anyway. Yeah, that's that's pretty much
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  Speaker 1: all we have to say about it. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: not to say that it's gonna be a bad movie,
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  Speaker 1: just the Ariel and I got nothing from it because
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  Speaker 1: we don't know the source material sadly unfortunately. But if
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  Speaker 1: you like teen Wolf the TV show, yeah you get
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  Speaker 1: more teen Wolf. Yeah, although I'm going to make fun
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  Speaker 1: of it later, so just be warned. Okay, So with
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  Speaker 1: that being said, we're gonna queue up Ariel. Are you
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  Speaker 1: ready for your next one? I am ready and go
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  Speaker 1: all right. So it turns out that Ghostbusters Afterlife, which
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  Speaker 1: was the Ghostbusters that was done by Jason Reitman, who
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  Speaker 1: was the original Ghostbusters son Ghostbuster director's son writer son. Anyhow,
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  Speaker 1: it was really cute. It was like kids and a
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  Speaker 1: homage to the original Ghostbusters movies. While now we're getting
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  Speaker 1: a sequel. It's gonna be uh helped by Gil Keenan
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  Speaker 1: who has worked on other things such as Monster House,
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  Speaker 1: City of Ember, and A Boy Called Christmas, So they're
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  Speaker 1: really leaning into that kid friendly vibe. It's would seem um,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm looking forward to it. Good. You did go over,
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  Speaker 1: but only by a few seconds. Okay, a lot less
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  Speaker 1: that we did on the teen Wolf. Listen. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. The only thing I'm gonna add to that
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  Speaker 1: is I still haven't seen Ghostbusters After Life. Um. I
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  Speaker 1: kind of wanted to before the movie came out, but
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  Speaker 1: then the more trailers I saw, the less excited I got.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know how I'm going to react when
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  Speaker 1: I finally watch it. So I don't really have like
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  Speaker 1: an emotional reaction to this particular news about there being
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  Speaker 1: a sequel. It's not super necessary, it's not groundbreaking, but
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  Speaker 1: it's a delightful love letter to the original movies. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'll say. Got you. Okay, Well, here's my next story,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go Hey the flash. He runs real fast,
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  Speaker 1: so fast, he's going to get to theaters a week
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  Speaker 1: earlier than we thought he was. Originally the film was
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  Speaker 1: going to come out on June. Now it's coming out June,
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  Speaker 1: which gives it a little more breathing room before Indiana
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  Speaker 1: Jone whips his geriatric whip around theaters when Disney releases
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  Speaker 1: that one, and I am done. Nice. Yeah that was
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  Speaker 1: a little early. Um, still like kind of curious how
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  Speaker 1: they're going to promote this film, considering the problems Ezra
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  Speaker 1: Miller has been in over there a lot of Michael Keaton. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there was there was a time where we were, like
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  Speaker 1: you and I were wondering for a while if Discovery
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  Speaker 1: was actually just gonna like shelve this film and definitely
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  Speaker 1: the way they did with Uh Back Girl. But yeah, nope,
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  Speaker 1: this one's coming out. But we'll have a lot more
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  Speaker 1: to say about d C coming up. Ariel, Are you
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  Speaker 1: ready for your next one? Yes? And go all right. So,
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  Speaker 1: if you weren't alive in the nineties or you didn't
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  Speaker 1: play video games back then, there was a video game
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  Speaker 1: called toe Jam and Earl and it was really weird
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  Speaker 1: and it had a lot of like funk the music
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. They they lived on a planet called funk
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  Speaker 1: a tron um. Well, now we're getting it was a
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  Speaker 1: Sega game. Now we're getting a feature film from Amazon Studios.
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  Speaker 1: People working on it also did Hotel Transylvania and um,
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  Speaker 1: the Super Fudge series. Uh, Toe jammin Earle is ridiculous,
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  Speaker 1: dumb fun I didn't think it needed a movie, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna end up having to watch it because
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  Speaker 1: my husband really likes to jammin Erle or liked like well, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to allow that the fact that
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  Speaker 1: it went over by twelve seconds, because you know, Tony
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  Speaker 1: really likes the source material. Uh. I was not a
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  Speaker 1: Toe jammin Earle fan, like I do love video games.
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  Speaker 1: Never got into toe Jamin Earlso again, um, this is
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  Speaker 1: the episode where we find out I'm dead inside. Okay, listen, listen, listen.
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  Speaker 1: The only I don't mind that you're dead inside. I
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  Speaker 1: am going to start timing you so I can call
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  Speaker 1: you when you go over. I mean I I was
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  Speaker 1: six seconds under with the flash. All right, So we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about the big DC news that broke over
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  Speaker 1: the last few days. And at the top of it
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  Speaker 1: is it kind of all started with news coming out
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  Speaker 1: that the third Wonder Woman film that was planned, which
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  Speaker 1: would have been the follow up to Wonder Woman, is
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  Speaker 1: now effectively dead in the water, with development halting on that,
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  Speaker 1: which came as a great shock. Two the filmmaker, and
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  Speaker 1: apparently gal Gadult hasn't heard yet, or at least she
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  Speaker 1: hadn't by the time the news was breaking. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so it depends on how you read her tweet. Her
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  Speaker 1: tweet could have because she was like, Oh, I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoy all being able to represent this character, and I
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  Speaker 1: look forward to the next chapter or my next chapter.
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  Speaker 1: That could be read as a farewell as well. Quite honestly,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. Yeah. A lot of the media
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  Speaker 1: response has been that she appeared not to know, but
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  Speaker 1: I actually I like your take on that aerial Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I like Galgado as Wonder Woman, but
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  Speaker 1: I do find the uh the movies to be fairly
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  Speaker 1: flawed the third act of the I liked most of
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  Speaker 1: the first one, but the third act really it almost
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  Speaker 1: damp into the rest of the movie for me, because
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  Speaker 1: the third act was so mediocre or less. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I and I liked certain little bits of a wonder
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  Speaker 1: Woman eighty four, but I have Wonder Woman eighty four
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  Speaker 1: high Tops, mainly because of high Tops like cool, not
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  Speaker 1: because they're Wonder Woman. But but that movie was just
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  Speaker 1: not very good, and there was of course a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people pointed out that there's a massive consent problem
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  Speaker 1: in Wonder Woman because you've got a character who inhabits
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  Speaker 1: the body of another person and then engages in hanky
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  Speaker 1: and or panky, and that kind of brings up a
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  Speaker 1: whole agency consent problem and where was that guy when
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  Speaker 1: his body got taken over and all that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and that's ikey and brings up some real tough questions
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  Speaker 1: that are not answered in that movie. But I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you about the first film too, Like I think
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  Speaker 1: we even said that maybe even in the last week's episode,
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  Speaker 1: that Wonder Woman's third act is a total mess. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's in many ways, Wonder Woman and the First
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  Speaker 1: Captain America film have a lot of the same problems,
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  Speaker 1: which is that, yeah, you've got a great set up,
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  Speaker 1: but the payoff doesn't really work, and you almost wish
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  Speaker 1: that they had avoided putting a big bad in that
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  Speaker 1: first film, just so that you could establish the character,
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  Speaker 1: have them fight against you know, like no real names
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  Speaker 1: or anything, just to show their heroism, and then set
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  Speaker 1: them up for a confrontation with like a named Batty
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  Speaker 1: in the next episode. That's kind of how I felt. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Now after that news dropped, there was additional information that
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  Speaker 1: came out. You know, now everybody's speculating, speculating in d C,
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  Speaker 1: so it's hard to fully suss out what is what
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  Speaker 1: is fact and what is uh speculation or fiction or whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what our next stories on this are about.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, at least one source said that, uh, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't just gun Gunn and his partner's decision to drop
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  Speaker 1: Wonder Woman the third Uh, it was also w b's
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  Speaker 1: decision because they looked at the script that Patty Jenkins
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  Speaker 1: wrote and they were they had some similar concerns as
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  Speaker 1: to the last script and some of the shortcomings of
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  Speaker 1: it and some of the character arts and things like that,
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  Speaker 1: and they offered letter rewrite it, and either they were
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  Speaker 1: unhappy with the rewriter she decided she didn't want to. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's it is definitely not a black and
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  Speaker 1: white issue of we're wiping the slate clean and by
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  Speaker 1: by Wonder Woman. No, but that is kind of where
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  Speaker 1: the conversation went next, right, Like, we had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people suggesting that when Aquaman comes out, it's scheduled
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  Speaker 1: to come out on Christmas Day next year, that that
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  Speaker 1: will be the final film in the former incarnation of
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  Speaker 1: the d C Extended Universe, and that there will be
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  Speaker 1: kind of a control all, delete, reset, and that will
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  Speaker 1: be the the James Gunn era beginning where we will
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  Speaker 1: see new projects. And so there's been suggestions that Henry
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  Speaker 1: Cavill Cavill Cavalet, that that his version of Superminitell Cavitelli. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: he's a great pasta when Henry, you know, he took
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  Speaker 1: to Instagram famously after his cameo in Black Adam and
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  Speaker 1: confirmed that he was back to play Superman and that
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  Speaker 1: he was going to play like this optimistic, hopeful hero
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  Speaker 1: much more colorful than in passed uh incarnations in in
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  Speaker 1: the d C EU. And now we're hearing rumors that
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  Speaker 1: maybe that won't happen, that that could be scrapped, that
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  Speaker 1: Man of Steel too could be on the cutting room
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  Speaker 1: floor and not be part of the next incarnation of DC.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe Henry won't even be Superman anymore. Um, it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like they're not going to have Jason Momoa be Aquaman anymore,
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  Speaker 1: but instead he's rumored to take on the role of
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  Speaker 1: Lobo if James Gunn gets his way. Um, what were
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  Speaker 1: you going to say? No, I was gonna say I
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  Speaker 1: interjection because I think you're going where where I were,
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  Speaker 1: the same place I'm going, and things I want to
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  Speaker 1: say about that, But Jason Momoa's logo would actually be
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  Speaker 1: phenomenal casting choice. I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, Um. The
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  Speaker 1: So we're hearing a lot of these rumors right like
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  Speaker 1: that after the Flash and the next Aquaman film, that's
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  Speaker 1: it for this incarnation of DC, and that what we'll
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  Speaker 1: get next will be something different, potentially with brand new
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  Speaker 1: actors cast in roles that you know other actors have
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  Speaker 1: been playing recently, which has got a lot of like
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  Speaker 1: the fandom up in arms because a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: fandom says, hey, you know, the real problem with these
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  Speaker 1: movies for the most part, hasn't been the casting. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that it's not the cast that most people
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  Speaker 1: point to and say, this is the reason why I
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  Speaker 1: don't like this film. With the possible exception of Ezra Miller,
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  Speaker 1: who's not bad in the role, but whose behavior in
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  Speaker 1: private life is so atrocious that it kind of bleeds over. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But the problem is these these latter things about about
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  Speaker 1: Jason Momoa and not Henry cavill, not Jason Cavill. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of presented as fact like, but they aren't.
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  Speaker 1: Um and and James Gunn even came and said, look,
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  Speaker 1: we we just came out of a giant brainstorming uh session.
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  Speaker 1: Some of this is true, some of it's a little true,
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  Speaker 1: some of it's not true at all, and we're still
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  Speaker 1: figuring things out. And I think that's a really good response. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I like Henry Cavill as Superman. I know I've said
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  Speaker 1: that before. Um And I also know James Gunn likes
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  Speaker 1: to give work to the people that he likes to
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  Speaker 1: work with, people that he enjoys the acting that they
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  Speaker 1: do or so it's it's it sounds wrong for me
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  Speaker 1: to say he rewards the people who do good work,
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  Speaker 1: but he you know, I don't think he plays favorites.
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  Speaker 1: But he definitely if if you do good job, he
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  Speaker 1: will recognize it, you know, Um, yeah, he'll he'll cast
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  Speaker 1: you in the next thing, like you've seen that. We've
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  Speaker 1: seen certain actors like Nathan Philly and shows up in
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  Speaker 1: James Gunn's work a lot because he and James Gunn
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  Speaker 1: got along great, and you know, it's it kind of
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  Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit, not not style wise or
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  Speaker 1: personality wise or anything, but kind of like Josh Wheden,
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  Speaker 1: who was known for creating ensembles and then he would
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  Speaker 1: get attached to those and often use the same actors
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  Speaker 1: in different parts and different projects. Um, I have a
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  Speaker 1: feeling James Gunn is kind of similar in that way.
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  Speaker 1: He does kind of create ensembles as well. I mean
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  Speaker 1: the movies that we know him best for in recent
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  Speaker 1: years include the Guardians of the the Galaxy films and Suicide
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  Speaker 1: Squad the second one, not the first one, and both
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  Speaker 1: of those are obviously ensemble films, things that you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm concerned about. I'm sure my concerns are unfounded because
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  Speaker 1: we don't know enough yet. But I really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: see an optimistic, hopeful Superman film, and I really wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see Henry play that character. It was clear that
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  Speaker 1: was what he wanted to do, right that he he
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  Speaker 1: was truly passionate about it, and you know, when an
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  Speaker 1: actor is passionate about something, they will give to the role.
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  Speaker 1: And the thought of getting like a genuinely joyful Superman
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  Speaker 1: movie really appeals to me a great deal. I think
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  Speaker 1: I've said that on previous episodes, and yeah, and and
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  Speaker 1: the thought of potentially losing that is very sad. The
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  Speaker 1: other thing that kind of made me worries that when
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  Speaker 1: the only news about what might actually come about is
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  Speaker 1: about Lobo and the fact that James previously directed Suicide Squad,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, please, don't make the next incarnation of d
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: C just a series of stories about anti heroes. I
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  Speaker 1: mean first announced it. Yeah, I need some real heroes.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need just anti heroes. Um, I need heroes
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  Speaker 1: being heroic, uh, which obviously like it's challenging to write
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  Speaker 1: those films too. It's it's clearly difficult to write a
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  Speaker 1: good Superman story because the character is so powerful and
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  Speaker 1: so seemingly without flaws that it's hard to create dramatic tension.
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  Speaker 1: And I get that, but I do want to see
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  Speaker 1: like someone who's inspiring rather than someone who does the
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  Speaker 1: right thing because it happens to be convenient. So I
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  Speaker 1: think we will, um, just because the other thing that
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  Speaker 1: James Gunn said, UM is that they want to do
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  Speaker 1: the right by the characters, and they want to do
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  Speaker 1: right by the story. That is their first priority. And
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  Speaker 1: you know that that makes me feel better because of
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  Speaker 1: someone who loves DC but has honestly felt like DC
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  Speaker 1: has been failing in most of their movies, like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: please do right by the characters, you know, um. I
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  Speaker 1: so that that makes me hopeful that we will get
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  Speaker 1: the heroic people were supposed to get. I also wonder
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  Speaker 1: how much of an actual like he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: pick up he actually said, you know, or the article
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  Speaker 1: said that they didn't want to pick up other people
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  Speaker 1: scraps to create their universe. But how much of a
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  Speaker 1: clean slate can James like? You have to know he's
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  Speaker 1: passionate about it, because if he is truly going to
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  Speaker 1: clean slate everything that includes Peacekeeper, the peace Peacemaker Peacemaker
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  Speaker 1: Peacemaker Peacekeepers are from Forest Game. Uh, and you know
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  Speaker 1: that's his baby and everybody loves it. But it's got
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  Speaker 1: Amanda Waller and it it's got you know, it's got
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of characters, and it from the previous Justice
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  Speaker 1: League universe that Snyder created. So you know, if they
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  Speaker 1: can find a way to keep the good things and
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  Speaker 1: ditch the bad and still make something new, I'm willing
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  Speaker 1: to forget the old stuff that happened. Um. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and then also it's also a little curious too. It's
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  Speaker 1: not going to be a complete clean slate, as you say.
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  Speaker 1: Also because from what we hear the Batman, the Robert
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  Speaker 1: Pattinson films, we're gonna get another We're gonna get another
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  Speaker 1: one of those, and we're also getting the Penguin series.
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  Speaker 1: There's also, you know, like the Joker sequel, so there's
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  Speaker 1: some stuff that it doesn't sound like everything is just
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  Speaker 1: coming to a screeching halt and being totally thrown away
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  Speaker 1: and then started over, which just makes us even messier, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and especially since I wanted to like the Batman. I
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  Speaker 1: loved the idea of like a noir Batman, and I
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: hated The Batman. And I haven't watched The Joker, or
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: haven't watched Joker because it's way too depressing for me.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say go so far as to say
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I hated the Batman. I liked the tone, I like
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the style. I hated that Batman was only a surface
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: level detective. Like you could argue that The Batman showed
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Batman being the most detective E Batman that we've had
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: on screen, and I guess that's true. But he's not
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a very good detective. He figures nothing out, he stops nothing.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: He yeah, no, that's another problem, right, Like he by
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the time you figure something out, it's too late to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: stop it. And you're like, oh man, beans, And I understand,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: like you need dramatic events, and you need you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: you need the bad stuff or else you don't have
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a story, right, you need the conflict, or you don't
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: have a story. But I'm just like, no wins in
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the entire movie, Like literally, no way he has. He
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't stop a single dang thing from beginning to end.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Even in the end, he doesn't stop a single dang thing.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And you're right, hate is too strong of a word.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't have enough hate for this movie.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I fell asleep during it. I fell asleep during the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: car chase. I feel I feel like the fact that
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: it is supposed to be set early early on in
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the Batman's career, you can at least make some excuses
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: as to why he's not incredible, he's not totally effective
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: because he's still learning to be the Batman. That that
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: goes a little way. But like, like I said, like
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: when I went into watching this movie, I went into
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: it having heard Batman is finally a detective. And when
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I watched it, I thought, now, this is kind of
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: like solving a riddle on the back of a serial box.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: But all the stuff that's more that's a one layer lower,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: like all the real riddles that are one layer beneath
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the surface level, he can't solve at all. And uh,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: like you know, he's relying on on Pennyworth a butler's tail, uh,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: doing doing stuff on the bat computer and all that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, uh, this is not what was
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: sold to me. The thing I get is not what
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I was promised, And so I was disappointed. I will say,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I know you did not like there version of The Riddler,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: but I loved it. I just again I felt I
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: like Paul Dano and I love the Riddler. I just
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like the general trend of going
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Zodiac killer with the Riddler. I like the old school,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: more clever in mischievousy like he doesn't have to be
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: super dark because he's he's so confident in himself. But
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that's just me. Well, and I just don't think that
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: would have fit in the kind of movie they were making, right,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: They would have had to have gone with a different villain,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: because you can't that kind of character would not work
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in the sort of tone they were presenting for the film.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And the problem is that some of the other characters
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: who are easier to turn into dark, gritty versions, we've
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: seen them a billion times on screen recently, so you
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do those either. Yeah, I will say
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I thought that Zoe Kravitz was brilliant as Selena Kyle.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I thought John Tatro was amazing as Falcone, and I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: thought Andy Serkis actually did a really good job as Pennyworth.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: So there were things that I did like. There were
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: casting choices that I liked. I liked Colin Farrell's Penguin,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: even though I didn't think they needed to put him
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in a fat suit to do it. Um, but um,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: there were things that I liked. I also like, I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: hope we get more Peacemaker. I hope we get more
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Suicide Squad. One of our mutual friends said that this
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: season that comes out today. The first episode comes out
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: today of season four of of of Doom Patrol. Um
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I said Suicide Squad. I meant Doom Patrol. Uh that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it's the final season, But I just read an article
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: saying that they don't know, like it may not be
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the final season. They're prepared to do more. It's just
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: up in the air right now. I hope we get
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: more Doom Patrol. It hasn't tied in with any of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the Greater Universe, so there's no reason to scrap it. Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I mean that's that's part of the challenge the right
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: is that we've already got a landscape right now that
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: is disjointed and disconnected, and it is a stark contrast
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to the MCU, where everything is interconnected, sometimes to a fault.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Like you can't say that mc US approach has been
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: completely flawless. That's not true. See Agents of Shield if
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you think I'm wrong. But in Humans, I don't know
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. They never made it in humans so
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: uh so, which is really just by way of saying
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: in humans remains. I think that might be the only
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: thing in the m c U apart from maybe like
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: a couple of animated things or shorts that I have
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: not seen. I've seen everything else. I finally even went
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: back and watched the Hulk film with Ed Norton. Oh awesome.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: But I didn't hate it as much as some people.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I know. I know that when they released it, like
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the first two episodes, I think they released it theatrically
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: just to promote it, and then people were like, Yo,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: this is bad, and then it kind of disappeared not
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: long after that. Yeah, listen, sometimes I don't know what's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a good movie and what's a bad movie. I will
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: admit um. I know that you know they don't want
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: disjointed They could just bring the current actors from Doom
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Patrol into the cinematic universe. Brendan Fraser is an amazing
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: film actor, so yeah, well, and he's he's clearly like
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: his stars on the rise right now. Because The Whale
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: got such his performance in The Whale got such good reviews,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and the Whale itself, I've seen mixed reviews on the film,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: but I think everyone has agreed that Brendan Fraser Fraser
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's rhymes with razor, that Brendan Fraser was phenomenal in it. Um, yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and we just don't know. Like obviously, we've
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: talked about this quite a bit, and so have all
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the different media outlets. This has been covered numerous times
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: by lots of different people, a lot of people saying
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the same sort of things that we're saying. But ultimately
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: we do not know what how things are gonna play out.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: We do know that James Gunn said that not everyone's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: going to be happy with the changes, which that's just
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: true whenever there are changes. As as long as he
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: is truthful and that they really want to serve the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: characters in the story, I think I'll be happy. Um.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And the only thing that the only thing that gives
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: me a little bit of reluctance is just the thought
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of having potentially yet another Batman, yet another Superman, right like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: like you know, seeing kind of a revolving door of
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: actors playing these parts in a fairly short span of
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: time gets exhausting. Okay, but that has always been a
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: man if you look at uh, like the I can't
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: even remember, but like the Michael Keaton Batman and then
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the Val Kilmore Batman and then the I don't remember
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: who the other Batman was at the moment, George Clooney. Yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: so like it used to be that every Batman movie
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: was a different Batman for a while. Um, well the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: first two were Michael Keaton and those are the only
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: two I acknowledge. But yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Yeah. Anyhow, Um,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: we've talked enough about d C to wrap that up
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: before we get into the other fun things that are
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: coming out that are geeky that are not giant Giant
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: can glaumerate comic book things. Are you overly optimistic or
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: overly pessimistic about these new changes? I will say this.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I'll say this, I think it's a mistake. Two second
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: guest James Gunn. He has proven to have a great
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: grasp of how to tell intertaining stories that have an
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: impact on their audience, which is something I think DC
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: is in dire need of. So with that, I'm optimistic.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little torn because I'm worried that our friend, Henry,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: friend of the show, Henry cavill, is not going to
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: get his chance to play the positive, optimistic version of Superman.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And I think that would be heartbreaking for him, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: heartbreaking for a lot of his fans, and heartbreaking for
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: me because I was really excited to look forward to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: something from d C. Not to say that things that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: James Gunn comes up with won't be worth looking forward to,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm I'm, I guess I'm just in a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: mixed emotional place when it comes to all of this.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I do think whatever does come out will be very entertaining.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Will it be what I want? I can't be so sure. Yeah,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I am looking forward to Blue Beetle, so I've got something.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And the current season of Doom Patrol. Uh, So I've
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: got something to look forward to. Uh. Speaking of things
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to look forward to, look, look, let's look into the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: forward future, a future that's dystopian. Uh. And talk about
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the Last of Us trailer. Yeah, so we talked about
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like we you know, when there was just the tiny
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: little teaser of the the adaptation of The Last of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Us that we saw, we didn't have a whole lot
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: to say about it. But now we've got a full
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: trailer which gives us a little bit more of a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: feeling for the characters. It's interesting because apparently the actors
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: were told explicitly not to do a deep dive into
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the video game, but rather to come at these characters
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: from their own perspectives based upon the material, and I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: think that was the right decision. There's no reason to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: just ape the video game because you could just play
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the video game instead. Also, the voice actors who provided
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the voices of the two main protagonists in the Last
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: of Us are showing up in the series, so the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: voice actors get to be, you know, actors in the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: flesh for these I almost said real actors, and then
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I thought I'm a voice actor. I would be insulted
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: as someone said that I'm not a real actor. So, um,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's the trailer really is is emphasizing
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the dynamic between the two protagonists, Joel and Elli, and that, um,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Joel's obviously very reluctant to take on this
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: role and doesn't want to get attached to Ellie and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: it it's not like the monsters are absent from the trailer.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: They're there. It's just clear that that's not the focus.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly the right choice. What did
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: you think, Um, I I agree with everything you said.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I on slee it was weird because I know how
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: so I have not played them. I know how dark
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the games are, no how upsetting they can be at times.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I honestly thought it was. It looked fun. It looked
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: fun to me despite the subject matter, and it looked
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like it had moments of uplifting, which I never felt
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: from The Walking Dead. So I'm I'm I am cautiously
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: optimistic about this one. I'm going to give it a shot. Okay. Yeah.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I like the fact that we see Nick Offerman as
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: a survivor because if there were ever an apocalypse, we
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: know that he would be one of the ones to
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: make it through one. It just could be he'd be
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: carving canoes for everybody. Yeah yeah, I don't remember, though.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Have you seen how much this costs costed versus Rings
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: of Power? Do you know which one won the battle
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: for being the most expensive TV show? I don't know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't followed that up. And uh,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: considering the fact that we're out in an era where
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: streaming services are starting to have to reckon with how
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: they make money versus how much money they pour into productions,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that's a figure that anyone's going
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to be bragging about anytime soon. Yeah. Yeah, even Disney
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: is having to look at that now. But we won't
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: get into that. Instead, let's talk about more streaming services
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and more high budget productions. I'm not knocking them. As
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: an actor. I want to be a part of all
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: of them, um, because it's fun to tell a story
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that has so much like literal investment in it in
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: every area. Right. Yeah, we finally got a full trailer
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: for The Witcher Blood Origin, and Jonathan here is comparing
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: it to Son of Seven Samurai. Yeah. So Son of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: seven Samurai was an episode of Large Nargron Collider, the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: video series where Ariel and I stood shoulder to shoulder,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: my shoulder a little lower than hers because Aeriel's a giant,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and we uh. We went through seven different films that
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: were inspired by Kura SAWA's Seven Samurai. Everyone knows Magnificent Seven.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: The Western was clearly influenced. It was like a retelling
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: of Seven Samurai but set in the Old West. And
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: in this trailer, like, I wasn't expecting that for The
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Witch Blood Origin, but as I'm watching the trailer, they're like,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you know, seven strangers banding together to fight off a tyrant,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and I thought, oh my gosh, it's yet another seven
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Samurai movie. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm not mad
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: at it. Honestly, I felt like I followed the trailer
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the story in this trailer better than anything in The
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Witchard thus far. It looks fun. It just looks fun
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and good to me. And it's a mini series. I'm
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: gonna go too long. It looks like it looks like
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the characters are given enough time to actually have distinct
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: personalities too, which is good because you know, obviously that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: can be an issue with a lot of fantasy films.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Like you look at some fantasy for example, not that
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I've seen the movie, but the trailer for the live
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: action Dudgeons and Dragons movie, it was kind of hard
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to say, like what each person's personality was beyond that's
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: clearly a fighter, that's clearly a barred right, Like you
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: weren't getting a whole lot of sense of who people were.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But again, that was that was like a trailer that
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: was really emphasizing like the magical and action parts of it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe the movie is different this. I felt like, Oh,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: it feels like each of these characters actually has a
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: story behind them. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Um,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I'm this is what I'm looking forward to. What about you, Jonathan,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you know what. I'm looking forward to this one too.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I uh, I have only played a little bit of
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the Witcher games and I haven't watched any of the series.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I just and I've never read the novels as well.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I should have started with that. I haven't read the novels,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: so I don't have an attachment to the source material,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and therefore I don't have any expectations. I don't. I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: don't really anticipate what the story they're gonna tell is.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming based upon the trailer because enough hints are
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: dropped where it sounds like this is the way it works,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that this is the story of how the Witcher as
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: in like the species of the Witcher was created, because
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: as as anyone who has played the games or has
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: seen the series or read the books knows, a Witcher
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: is a kind of monster human hybrid bread to hunt
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: down and kill monsters, but is not entirely human themselves. Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Something I will say I really like about the Witcher
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: series is that they're The way that they cast I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: think is really great. It's very diverse and and I'm
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: not just talking you know, ethnicity ethnically, Like they cast
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: all body types, they cast all UM abilities, so they
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: cast people who have UM, you know, who who have
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: would be considered to have a disability. UM all over
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: is it's just all of these wonderful characters, and I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: think it's it's and they don't cast just pretty people.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I really like it UM from that And no, that's
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: great because like I do get a little tired of
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: seeing productions where it's everyone is unspeakably beautiful, right, and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: you're just like because eventually you get to a point
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: where you're like, well, I don't feel any connection to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: this because I only know like one or two unspeakably
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: beautiful people, Like there's one that I podcast with each week,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: and then there might be another one that I know
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: are too, I know, but otherwise, like most of the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: people I know, you know, their their normal level beautiful.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: But uh, and then I got a few people I
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: know who you know, maybe beautiful would be a stretch
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: present myself included. And then and then you've got like
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: then you get some real stickers out there. But yeah,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: it's it's good to see. It's good to see films
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: have more representation. Honestly, any time that I hear a
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: story where someone who has never seen the kind of
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: person they are represented on film. Have that change it
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: is such and an incredible realization that I'm like, oh,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: this is addicting. We got to do this for everybody. Like,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: as a white guy, I had no shortage of representation
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: in movies, Like literally, I could go back and watch
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: practically every every movie ever made up till now, and
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty good except for a few, like films that
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: were made for specific groups. So having that become something
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that could be considered the norm for everybody, I think
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: is really exciting. I agree, I agree. Something else that
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: is really exciting is that we're getting a new three Musketeer. Uh.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: This one is in French. Uh uh and Parle Francis
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: r we normally, I say, is jenn Is Brick into
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: espaniol because yeah, I thought that's what you were gonna do.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: And po may I will speak in English for the
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: rest of this bit, and I will drop the accent. Clara,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I know you're listening to this episode. Uh,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Jonathan's French accent is especially you know, I played I
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: played a French villain at the Renislance Festival one season
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: and everyone's like, you sound like you're trying to be
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a cypic qua for Trapper, and I'm like, it works
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: for me. And so anyway, yeah, so we've we're getting
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: this this new film adaptation of the Three Musketeers. It
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: is in French, as Ariel said, uh, and it looks
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: very like kind of like gritty and dirty. It's not
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: like it's definitely not like the Disney version where everything's
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: really flashy and colorful. Um. A lot more muted colors,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: a lot more kind of grounded violence in it. Um.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: But when I was watching it, I was sitting there thinking,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: this looks like it's a faithful adaptation of the original novel.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: And for that reason, I'm very excited to see it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of the adaptations you see take incredible
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and often bizarre liberties with the original story, and almost
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: all of them make everybody ten times flashier than they
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: actually were in the book. And while that's fun, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I don't blame anyone who really loves the Disney version,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: because I know there's to I think, Ariel, I think
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you love the Disney version. Um I I I like it. Fine.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I can tell you what my
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: favorite part is. That's easy. What is your favorite part?
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Jonathan tim Curry plays the bad guy. I mean, that's
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: pretty fantastic. Listen. There are many adaptations that Disney does
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: where I'm like they changed the story. This is one
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: of the and I'm not happy with it. This is
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: one of the ones where I thought it was still
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: a fun story. That doesn't mean I dislike the original.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: It's just I can enjoy just like the old BSG
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and the new bs G, I can enjoy them for
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the separate entities that they are now. Um, but aeriels
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: far more egalitarian than I am, because I've refused to
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: this day to acknowledge the quote unquote new BSG. But
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I will say something. You said that this trailer looks
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: grittier and darker, and I agree with you. But at
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the same time, it still looks fun and exciting. M
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and I love that there's a lot of dark and
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: gray stuff where you're like, no, right, right, it doesn't
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: look like it's depressing, right. It still looks like it's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: an adventure story. It just looks like it's an adventure
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: story that's more grounded in reality than what we typically
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: see with Three Musketeers adaptations. Like I said, it's not
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: as flashy or as colorful. But then when you think
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: about the time period and that's being represented, you know,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the early seventeenth century, you wouldn't expect it to be
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: flashy and colorful. So I think that the choice is
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: being made reflect kind of the historical period a little
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: better than what we usually see, and it does still
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: look like it's gonna be a really fun, kind of
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: exciting kind of movie to watch. It will be the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: kind of movie where I will need subtitles because I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: do not speak French well enough to be able to
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: keep up. So that will make it a bit of
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a challenge because any fast action movie where there's subtitles
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: means I'm gonna miss stuff because I'm not the fastest
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: reader in the world. Yeah. Yeah, this is one that
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I will not be watching with my partner because he
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: does not like reading subtitles. He will, but he does.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: He doesn't even like it when you're like listening to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: English on the TV and the subtitles are up, Um,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: darn him and his good hearing. But if you like
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: grounded in truth, if you like grounded and truthful stories, Jonathan,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: You're going to be so happy that Carrie Kelly Garrett,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: who used to work for Disney is now the VP
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: of Development at Hallmark. Talk about grounded stories. We're gonna
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: get those gritty, realistic Christmas rom coms I've been begging
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: for every year. Uh. I would say that Hallmark has
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: sort of almost it's certainly a meme, if not an
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: outright joke at the number of holiday films Hallmark turns
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: out each year. At this point, I want to say,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, it was topping like
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: more than thirty, so you had literally more than one
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: per day of December that was coming out. Um, I'm
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: not sure how many there there are for this season,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: but yeah, they've brought Kelly Garrett over, who had worked
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: on a lot of honestly holiday films for Disney over
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the past few years, and now she'll be heaving up
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: development a Hallmark which does more than just the holiday stuff.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: It's just that's what I always associate Hallmark with, because
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: it's inescapable. Once you get around Thanksgiving time in the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: United States, listen the number of people, the number of
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: like grandparents and parents and and you know in laws
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that I've had that really just find joy in watching
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: a long string of similarly happy Christmas movies at the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Holidays and and love Hallmark Christmas movies. I appreciate that.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that that's there for them. I've hey, Hallmark,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you should cast me as your quirky next door neighbor
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: in one of your Christmas movies because I love you.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Um well, is it is? It? Is it Hallmark that
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: does essentially eighty different variations on either you have woman
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: has to leave her high paying job in the city
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to go to some place in the country, ends up
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: encountering a local, hunky business guy. They have a misunderstanding,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: but ultimately it leads both to her falling in love
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and growing a new appreciation for Christmas. Or it's the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: other way around, where local business owner woman in a
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: small town is irritated because big business hot shot guy
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: from the city has just moved in, but then they
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: end up falling in love, have a misunderstanding, reconcile, and
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: he develops a new love of Christmas. Is that the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: basic premise for like all the Harmark movies, Yes, I
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: mean no, they have tried to get some more diversity
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: in the stories. There's also the family one with like
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the mom or dad with kids whose widowed or a widower. Um,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and and you know, and then they find stuff. Yes,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: it can be a little bit formulaic. Some of them
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: are fun. Some of them are very hard to watch. Like, um,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: what was it it was? There was one that was
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: like a play on sense and sensibility or pride and prejudice. Oh,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: it was Unleashing Mr Darcy And it was basically Jane
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Austin novel but at a dog show. Um of course. Uh.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Now Hallmark is not the only there's another there's another
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: property that does them as well. But you know, they
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: can be fun. I know that. Um that. I think
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Justin McElroy has done spoofs on Hallmark movies at some
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of their shows before, and I think it's really funny.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: So one thing I wanted to add before we move on,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I have a so I haven't watched a lot of
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Hallmark Christmas movies. I've seen some, but um uh, here
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta at Dad's Garage Theater, which is local theater
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: mostly known for improv, Uh, they had a a show
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: called y'all Mark where they brought on tofor Payne, who
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: actually has written for Hallmark and actually knows like like
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the Dues and don'ts of writing a Hallmark Holiday movie,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: like he actually has the guidelines that you have to do.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: And then husband wife team of Kevin and Amber Amber Nash,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: who who voices Pam on Archer, they would do an
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: improvised Hallmark movie and tofor Payin would act as kind
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of a narrator slash director, and anytime they would do
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: something that absolutely would never happen in a Hallmark movie,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: he would stop them, give them notes and they would
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: have to go back and redo the scene so that
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: they weren't violating Hallmarks rules. And I thought it was
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: one of the funniest shows I've ever seen. That is
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: rather fantastic. I'm sad I missed that. Yeah, if they
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: ever do it again, I'll make sure I give you
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: a shout so that you can come and check it out.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Uh something, I'm curious if you will check out though.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Ariel is The Pale Blue Eye, which is a upcoming
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: of upcoming and upcoming horror slash murder mystery kind of
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: film and one of the characters in it is Edgar
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Allan Poe And uh, yeah, it looks like it's gonna
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: be really atmospheric. Why did you think of the trailer um.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I thought it was so weird because I like Edgar
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Allan Poe. I know, I don't like a lot of
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: scary stuff, but I like some that Garlan Poe I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: was one of my first One of my first professional
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: gigs as an actor was a school show called The
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Edgar Allan po Show. I had to memorize the cask
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: of of Manciato and Annabelle word for word. Woof. It's
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: weird to me because it's also like kind of a
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: period maybe mid Midwestern setting thing. I don't know, it
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: just it. It feels weird. It feels like they mash
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: up a bunch of stuff, which I should like. But
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: it's if I understood the premise, it's Edgar Allan Poe
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: has to infiltrate. It's kind of like a secret agent
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: to figure out who done a murder. Yeah, it's weird.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: That's a weird concept to me. He's not even the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: main detective. He's actually kind of acting as a spy
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: on behalf of the main detective. Uh. I thought it
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: looked really fascinating. It kind of looked to me like
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: like the sort of thing I was hoping Sleepy Hollow
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: would be. But I found Sleepy Hollow to be a
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: little too over the top like and ridiculous. This doesn't
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: look like it. This does not have that tone at all.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: This is not like it's at all campy or anything
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: like that. It is an odd thing to have Edgar
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Allan Poe as your as a character in this, but
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: it doesn't like again, it looks like it's grounded, which
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: it's It's hard to put those two things in your
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: head at the same time. And I'll tell you why
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: it's hard for me. Do you know what I had
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to watch immediately after watching this trailer because I just
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: felt compelled epic rap battles of history egg Ellan Poe
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: versus Stephen King. Oh, that's such a good one. That's
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: such a good one. It's a really good one. Yeah. Yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: one of my one of my friends actually got to
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to do a little bit of stuff with one of
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the r B guys. I will say it it's probably
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: completely my fault, um, and only partially because I watched
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: it at one point to five. Speed watched the trailer
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: one Tank You t Speed, but it didn't feel quite
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: as grounded to me, mainly because many of the times
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: they showed Edgar Allan Poe. He was standing in the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: corner glaring like a sad boy, and well that's kind
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: of his thing though, right, Like that's kind of Eggar
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Llan Poe's thing. But like it just I felt like
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: here at Grell and Poor, but like it felt an
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: animateiac sketch to me, like they're here at Girl and Poe,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: our greatest detective, figure out what all of our other
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: trained detectives can't, and he just stands in the corner going, well,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, y'all. If we ever do merchandise
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: for this show, I promise you we will do a
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: T shirt with Eggar Allen post face on it, with
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the with the words underneath, standing in the corner like
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: a sad boy. I really do kind of want that
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: shirt now, but so do I. As soon as you
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: said it, That's what popped in my head, was a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: T shirt with a girl and post face on it
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: and standing in the corner like a fad boy. Yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: They cast Harry Melling as Edgar Allan Poe, and I
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: think that's a brilliant casting choice. He really looks like him,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: so m h I think this Actually I thought the
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: movie looked really interesting. I I think I'm getting into
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: murder mysteries, really like murder mysteries that I think are
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: have like an interesting take on them, Like The Knives
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Out films fall into that category. So I think all
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: murder mysteries are gonna grab me. But this one looks
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: kind of It's funny because when I looked at the
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: two movies that I thought kind of would be mashed
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: up to make this one would be Sleepy Hollow, which
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: is mostly because of the literary connection and a few
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: good men because the murder involves like soldiers and stuff,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and it kind of made me think of the trial
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: scenes and a few good men, and so I thought, well,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: this is what you would get if you mash those
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: two movies up together. You would get The Pale Blue Eye,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: except with no real trace of humor in it. Yeah. Yeah,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I don't have anything else to say on that. I
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: will watch it. I'm excited to watch it. I just
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I might laugh all the way through it. So maybe
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I will watch it in a theater with nobody else
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: in the theater so I can appropriately, um earnestly react.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to be there, just to get
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: increasingly irritated at you, but you can do that something
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: that I don't think Ariel will. Ever. You haven't watched
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: any of Mike flanagain stuff, have you? Have you watched
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: House on the rather the House on Haunted Hill or
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Midnight Mass. No, I've I've done in my acting class
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: as a couple of scenes from House on Haunted Hill
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: which were very interesting, kind of as like a seed
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and study. Um listen, Ah, I've heard they're very good.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I've heard even that they probably wouldn't be completely too
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: scary for me. I just haven't gotten around to it.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I will say that, you know, make sure you're ready
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: to watch something sad, because it lures you in as
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: a ghost story, especially House on Haunted Hill lures you
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: in on a as a ghost story and it gets real,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: real heavy and sad as it goes on. But it's phenomenal.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Like I don't say that to turn you off on it,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: but rather just to say you kind of need to
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: be in the right mindset to see it because it'll
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: hit you. But anyway, Mike Flanagan, who has been really
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: making these incredible shows h has now secured the rights
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: to do a mini series based on Stephen King's Dark
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Tower books, which I'm of a mixed opinion because I
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: like Mike Flanigan's work and I like the first four
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: books in the Dark Tower series, and then I feel
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: like they get terrible, and so I mean, I really
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: just want to see him do Wizard in Glass. That's
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the only book in the series that I really want
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: to see adapted, and it's the fourth one, but it's
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: told mostly in flashback form, so most of the action
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: in the fourth book pre dates all the other books.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: That's the only one I really want to see. But um,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: apparently Mike Flanagan feels very passionately a out this particular work. Listen,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: if anybody can do it, it's him. I haven't read anything,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: but I think the first half of the first book,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and that's just because Uh, I got busy with scripts
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and I forgot to pick it back up. Um. I
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: did watch the It Just Elbow movie, and um, yeah,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: that's that. Like everybody who I went with, uh, we're
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: big fans of the book and we're not happy with
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: the movie. And I'm like, you know what, it's not
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: a great movie, but having no connection to the books,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: it's not so bad. So but which infuriated everybody but
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: it was interesting to see what he completely outside observance
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: of that movie would be from people who really love this. Right,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: it wasn't great. Oh, I was just gonna I was
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: just gonna say that, like that first book, the one
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: you put down, it's not great. Like The Gun Slinger
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: is not a good book. I mean, there are people
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: out there who love the Dark Tower series and it's
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: sacrile to ever say that The Gun Slinger is not good.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: But y'all, the Gun Slinger is not very good. Uh,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: The second and third book. Second and third book are improvements.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: In the fourth book I think is a masterpiece, but
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: the first one is rough and also not like this
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: is a crime. But it's clear that when Stephen King
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: was writing the book, he had not really fleshed out
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: the mythology for the world he was writing for, and
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: so by the time you get to the fourth book,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: there are things in that mythology that directly contradicts stuff
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: that's in the first book. Now, I got the fourth
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: book as a present, having never read books one through three,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: so I read book four first having no idea what
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: was going on in the story leading up to the
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: fourth book. But since most of the books told in
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: flashback it didn't really matter so much. Then I went
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: back and got the first book and read it and thought, wow,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: this is like night and day in terms of quality.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And also there were so many contradictions. Now he did
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: subsequently go and like do an updated version of the
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: first book, where he brought some of the mythology more
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: closely in line with the later books so that it
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't contradict quite as much. But um, yeah, I I'm
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: of a I just feel like it's good for people
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: to be able to work on things that are passionate
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: about and and I'm sure Mike Flann again will do
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: an amazing job. I'm not super excited about this because
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: as good a job as he can do, I can't
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: see him making me care about anything past Wizard in
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Glass because I hated those books the subsequent books so much.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, he might, he might be able to change
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the source material some I don't know. I do know
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: that a mutual friend of ours who I will not name,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: uh started reading The Gun Slinger got to the part
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: where the dude blesses his corn with his bodily fluids
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: and go, oh, this is a piano on corn. Book
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: closed the book and never picked it up again. Um yeah,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: peeing on corn is what she said, y'all. There was
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: no which I I just shortened to porn. It's a
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: porn book, you know, peeing on corn. That's not the
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: same thing, Jonathan, not the same thing. I mean, in
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: most circumstances, not the same thing. Uh. But I'm excited
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: about a potential Dark Tower series where they can do
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: something that's a that excites the fans of the series.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I'm also excited for Stephen King's new Fairytale series, and
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I'm also excited for the Talisman series that the Russo
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Brothers are in theory working on. Is the Russo Brothers
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: or is it the It's not the Fairly Brothers, so
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I see it's either the Marble Colors or the Stranger
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Thing Brothers. I think it's a Stranger Thing Brothers. Oh
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: got you got you? Got you? Well? The The only
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: other thing I'll say about is I am curious if
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Mike Flann again will cast Stephen King to play Stephen King.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: That probably probably it'll be It'll be like, um, it'll
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: be like having uh what's his face? Um, Stanley, Oh
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm so sorry stan that I forgot your
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: name for a moment. It's like having Stanley and all
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: of the Marvel stuff. Yeah, okay, Uh, so I think
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: we should make this next story our last story because
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: we're running a little long. Okay, so we have heard that,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: uh that Remo Williams, which was adapted into a movie
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: in the eighties, is going to be adapted into a series. Really,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: it's the Destroyer Books is what they're called. So Rema
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Williams if you're not familiar with the concept. He's a cop.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: He gets framed for a crime. The government then fakes
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: his death. In the movie, he gets like really badly
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: injured and then they do a full like plastic surgery
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: makeover of him so he doesn't look like himself anymore,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: and they turn him into essentially a secret agent to
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: do seek super secret government missions. Uh. The film is
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: a fun action film if you can just overlook the
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: terrible yellow face depicture you get as Joel Gray plays
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: in an Asian character. But otherwise is a pretty fun movie.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: There's also there's also a healthy dose of misogyny in
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: there though. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a movie of
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: its time. Um. Sorry, you'll get to listen to me
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: type for a second, you're there's also Kate Mulgrew's in
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: it and Wilfred Brimley's in it. Um. But it is
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: cheesy and dorky and a lot of fun. But it's
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: being done by the one of the guys who did
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: better call Saul, and so that makes me instantly interested
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: in it. Yeah. I suspect it will be much closer
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: to the book series than the film we got, so uh, yeah,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: it should be interesting. Like, I don't think a lot
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: of people have a deep attachment to the Remo Williams movie.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's some people who grew up with it
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: like me, who can quote it like endlessly, like saying
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: things like I wanted he's mine, or you have to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: run very fast, like those kind of lines, which are
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: both Joel Gray lines. Um, you could you know, quote
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: like those sort of things. But I think they're probably
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: more people who are fans of the novels who will
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: be excited to see these brought to life on the screen.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I agree. I honestly didn't even know they were novels
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: at first. Um. I also watched Remo Williams and Hudson
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Hawk about the same time and got them very confused
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: for a while. They're they're not at all the same movies.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: But I'd be like Hudson Williams Remo Hawk, that part
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: where Joel Gray starts singing, would you like to swing
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: on the Star? Yeah? Yeah, Uh, Hudson Hawk is another
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: really dumb fun movie. I was just about to say
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: it is not nearly as bad as everyone made it
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: out to be, because everyone was proclaiming it to be
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: the worst movie ever made, not by a long shot. Yes,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: it is dumb, but it's dumb. It knows it's dumb,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Like the movie knows what it is. The movie doesn't
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: like try and pass itself off as being super cool
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: and super sophisticated. It knows it's a dumb action movie
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: and it just embraces that. And I think it gets
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: an unfair rap because I think it's not great, but
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: it is entertaining. Yeah. Although warning, if you want to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: do a bad movie night and you want to watch
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: both of those movies, do Rema Williams first, because you
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: need to watch them in order of entertaining. Yeah. I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: don't know if you mean that it gets more entertaining
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: or it gets less entertaining. I think if you watched
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Hutson Hawk first and then Rema Williams, you'd probably be
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: asleep before Rema Williams is over. That's that's what I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: would say. Like, I like Remo william I tried to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: show it at a bad movie night. It wasn't after
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Hudson Hawk, it was after something else. But the something
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: else was so bad and so funny that then we
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: tried to watch Rema Williams and it was like Rema Williams.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think of it as a bad movie. I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: think it's schlocky. It's schlocky, but I don't think it's bad.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I think like there's certain movies from that era that
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I really like. That I realized one later generations are
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: going to have trouble connecting to it because the movies
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: are have a different pace, right, They're not paced the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: same way as modern films are. Uh and too. There
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: are some very unfortunate choices made in some of those
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: movies that are hard to justify today. Really they should
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: have been hard to justify back then. It's just that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: people didn't acknowledge it or know any better. I guess
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: I think they knew better, they just didn't care anyway. Uh, Like,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I think of Buck Rubonzai as one of those movies, right,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: It's one of those films that I think is really entertaining.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: But I showed it to our mutual friend Shay and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: she was like, I don't want to ever see that
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: film ain, and I'm like, okay, I mean, you know,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I get it. Although John Lithgal's performance in that movie
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: is phenomenal, it fought. I think that one I think
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: firmly falls into the goonies effect. Um, but that that's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: all the That's all the news we have. Yeah, but
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I've got a surprise, Ariel. Yeah, I love surprises. Yeah.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Ariel already knows this is coming because I told her
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: before we started recording. But once again, unprompted, I wrote
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: a mash up. This is no no trust me. After
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: you hear this, you're like, Ariel, choosing not to do
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: a mashup was the superior choice. I have written the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: laziest mashup I've ever written, and and it's probably one
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: of the shortest ones, which isn't saying much because you
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: know me. But here we go. This mash shop has
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: the title teen Witcher mm hmm. Teen Wolf has a problem.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: For one thing, he got up this morning thinking his
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: life was going to be some sort of coming of
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: age romantic comedy film, maybe with a light sports theme.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: He was kind of sure of it once he found
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: out that he, like his father, is a werewolf. But no,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: things took a hard right turn at Dramaville, and now like,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: there's drama all over the place, and so now he
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: finds himself at the center of an incredibly complicated plot that, frankly,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: even as the writer of this, I do not understand.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: I do know he has a tendency to proclaim himself
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: as the alpha. And when someone says like a dog,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: he says, no, like a wolf, And then the other
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: person says so kind of like a dog then, and
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: then teen Wolf secretly sneaks into that person's lawn late
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: at night and poops on the yard or something. Anyway,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: the real problem teen Wolf faces is when a moody
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: old dude moves into the neighborhood. The guy has moved
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: into an old house that hasn't been lived in for years.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: He's this big, muscular guy's got long gray hair. He
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: moves a bunch of long duffel bags and long boxes
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: into the house, but not much anything else, and he
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: seems like he's pretty darn quiet and grouchy, and teen
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Wolf has a bad feeling about him. Everyone says his
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: name is Gary, So anyway, there's Gary. One day, he's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: out on the front lawn and he's trying to get
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: his lawnmower going, and teen Wolf is jogging by, you know,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: in were wolf form, and Gary pricks up immediately as
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: teen Wolf jogs by, and then Gary goes into the house.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Now teen Wolf isn't really sure what Gary's up to next, because,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: you know, teen Wolf's jogging, which is an activity that
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: will gradually take you from one place and put you
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: into another place, unless you're jogging on a treadmill, in
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: which case you don't actually go anywhere. You just kind
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: of stay in one place. Before you know it, it's
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: time for the big high school dance, and teen Wolf
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: is nervous should he go as his human self or
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: in wear wolf form. I mean, since he came out
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: as a werewolf, he's been a big hit at school.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: But he kind of just wants to be known as
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: the real hymn. He probably has a name in everything,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: but I'm so lazy that I'm just gonna keep calling
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: him teen Wolf anyway. He's outside thinking over what he
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: has to do when he sees Gary walking up to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: him and he's like, hey, man, can I ask your
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: advice on something? And Gary pauses and looks confused and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: says about what. And that's when teen Wolf sees that
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Gary is totally holding a big, old, shiny sword behind
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: his back. Whoa dude, says teen Wolf, did you come
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: over here to kill me? And Gary pauses for a
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: second and says, no, you were. You jerk, says teen Wolf.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: That's a dick move. Gary, and the old guy size
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and says it's Garrault, actually, and it's nothing personal. Seems
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: pretty darned personal to me, Gary says teen Wolf. Well,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: from your point of view, I guess, so, says girlt
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: but I kind of have to do it, because you know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a witcher. And just then a car rolls down
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: the street and comes to an awkward stop right across
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: from where Gary and teen Wolf are having this conversation.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: It's a really terrible parallel parking job. And now the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: car steps this teenage girl with long red hair. Oh no,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: says Gary, it's my daughter. The teen Witcher and teen
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Wolf looks over and the red headed girl looks at
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: him and smiles, and that's how teen Wolf met teen Witcher. Anyway,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: what follows is your goofy, coming of age romantic comedy
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: with a light sports theme. At one point, the teen
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Witcher casts a spell on her best friend to make
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: her do a truly tremendous rap song that's totally not
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: cringe And anyone out there who hasn't seen Teen Witch
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: should definitely go on YouTube and search for teen which
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: top that so that I'm not alone in this and
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: teen Wolf and teen which are fall for each other,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: which is awkward because Gary totally doesn't stop trying to
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: kill teen Wolf, but he always has to abandon his
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: plan at the last second when his daughter shows up,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: because he knows she's never gonna forgive him if he
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: kills her boyfriend. And in fact, it's so successful that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we can pivot this into a Netflix mini series.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm waiting on your call, Netflix. You know where
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I am. I'm right here and I'm waiting. Oh. And
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: from the end of our movie, Gary sneaks up on
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: teen Wolf and he's ready to skewer him with a
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: big silver sword. But then he hears that teen Wolf
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: is talking to Gary's daughter on the phone and teen
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Wolves being super sweet and supportive, and so Gary decides
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: to let the kid live for now, because if I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: do kill off teen Wolf, all hopes of that mini
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: series go down the toilet the end. I liked it.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: That was delightful. I love my surprise. Uh it were
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I to hash up teen Wolf and the Witcher, what
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: would happen is it would both be stuck sucked into
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: like a portal, uh Scott Howard, teen Wolf while he
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: is playing basketball and the Witcher while killing something and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: sucked into like this machine where they get spliced together
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: into like a fly like abomination called the Twitcher, and then,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: having nothing better to do, they would just sit online,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: being in the modern world, having no like fantastical monsters
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: to kill, instead killing them playing video games, which both
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: of them are really good at, you know, once get
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: a games and the other is really good killing. So yes,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: that would be my mashup well because obviously they have
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: superior twitch skills, right, yep, yep, I I like your approach.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I think both of these projects can be developed in
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: parallel because we've got fourteen different versions of Batman, so
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: why not? Yes, fourteen different versions of teen Well this
• 1:09:57
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• 1:10:02
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• 1:10:04
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• 1:10:08
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• 1:10:10
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• 1:10:12
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• 1:10:15
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• 1:10:56
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• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: at least one more episode, maybe two before the end
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: of the year. We haven't actually looked at the calendar
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: to decide how we can do all this because we're
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: coming up on a very special time of year, that
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: being Ariel's birthday, So that's gonna obviously impact things because
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: the world stops when this woman gets a year older.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I've noticed that every mid December, so then um,
• 1:11:25
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• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: we'll want to do at least one, if not a
• 1:11:29
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• 1:11:33
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• 1:11:36
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• 1:11:39
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• 1:11:43
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• 1:11:46
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• 1:11:52
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• 1:11:55
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• 1:12:02
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• 1:12:05
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• 1:12:23
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